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Lost in 2023 - Barbenheimer Anniversary and 2023 Review
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This week on Lost In The Frame, we're taking a look back at the event of our lifetime, BARBENHEIMER. We also discuss our top 10s of 2023 and more!
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Introduction and Hosts Welcome
00:00:12
Speaker
Come on, Bobby. Let's go party. Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. it's your first time listening, welcome to the show. If it's not your first time, welcome back to the show.
00:00:24
Speaker
My name is Malik. My name is Alex. My name is Tachi.
Barbenheimer Joke and Clarification
00:00:28
Speaker
Did you guys like the my quote? I did. Did you get it? I thought it was, come on, Barbie.
00:00:35
Speaker
I said, come on, Bobby, because we're talking Barbenheimer. Yeah, you got it How are you boys doing on this evening?
Stranger Things Teaser and Reactions
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Speaker
Better now that I understood the joke.
00:00:49
Speaker
Same. I thought I misheard. you're Australian. Barbie? Bobby. Bobby. That's not Australian. None of that was. Good eye, Mike.
00:01:01
Speaker
Bobby. Today we are talking the hit phenomenon. It weird. Is it the two-year anniversary? It is the two-year anniversary. July twentieth Two-year anniversary of the lightning in a bottle once-in-a-lifetime event, Barbenheimer. And also discussing ah just 2023 in general, because we feel like that was just a really, a really great year.
00:01:23
Speaker
um But before we get into that, as always, we've got some movie news. To kick things off, we got a Stranger Things Season 5 teaser that I did not watch.
00:01:34
Speaker
Same. I did. How is it? Um... I want you to sit back and picture ah stranger things teaser in your head.
00:01:48
Speaker
you guys have it? That's exactly what the teaser was. All right. Nice. It, I think it did not reveal a lot of the plot, um, which was nice. Um, like it was a true teaser. Um,
00:02:04
Speaker
But I honestly walked away from it thinking two things were going to happen. um Eleven was going to point and scream at something. And I think a character that was written for season five is going to be killed because they can't kill off a main character. It's always introduce someone.
00:02:23
Speaker
Get them out of here. Yeah. I mean, every single time. And it's someone you love, too.
Decline of Stranger Things Appeal
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Speaker
What's y'all's excitement level for season five? I'd give it a six out of ten excitement level.
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Speaker
Okay. Is five just excited? Or is one excited? Like baseline. um One is like not excited. Okay. Ten being ecstatic.
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Speaker
Okay. ah Four. Wow. Okay. I think I'm at a five.
00:02:58
Speaker
Stranger Things really lost us all, didn't it? It really did. And it was going to be long. It was strong. How long has it been? Nine years? It's I remember watching the first season in 2016 as a college freshman.
00:03:12
Speaker
That sounds right. That's insane. Nine years for four episodes, basically. Dude. And it's like. Where do you think it lost you? Like, where is the the point, the pinpoint where you're like, oh, Stranger Things lost me?
00:03:29
Speaker
Honestly, it's been like,
Stranger Things: Nostalgia and Critique
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Speaker
I can't pinpoint like a particular moment in the show per se. For me, it is the gap of how long it's been in between seasons.
00:03:42
Speaker
So like season one was great. And then I think, yeah, one like after season one came out, I think waiting this long for shows was new. And so like that anticipation was just like genuine.
00:03:53
Speaker
And then it just became a chore. Yeah, agreed. agreed yeah I thought season three was really bad though they fumbled the world building yeah yeah for sure i haven't rewatched like any of Stranger Things though I should go back and rewatch season one the I would say the only season I've ever rewatched is one yeah that's worth it one is actually that good still holds up it's still it's so good what happens in season three That's the one with like the mall and like the Russians. Oh, that's right.
00:04:27
Speaker
Kind of had like the 80s retro vibe. Is that the one? The whole show has the 80s retro vibe. Well, but this one, it felt like it was like dialed up a bit. It was dialed up. Maybe it's just because of the mall. the probably Honestly, season three felt like a caricature of itself and not in a good way.
00:04:44
Speaker
I did like season four. I liked season four a lot until I didn't. Yeah.
Stranger Things' Legacy Speculation
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Speaker
Like, I think... They fumbled the end. How do you think we're going to look back on Stranger Things when it's all said and done?
00:04:57
Speaker
Like when we actually have an entire series to watch, do you think maybe we'll come back to it and see it more in a positive light? or I mean, I guess it just depends. I think it depends on how it ends. Yeah. Like they we are at a precipice on can we actually see these writers get it done?
00:05:15
Speaker
I don't know. I don't even know where the story's going here.
Supergirl Movie Announcement and DC Universe
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Speaker
We can at least just hold season one in our um memory fondly. Yeah. At the very least. um Next one we got here, Supergirl, June 2026 in theaters. That was quick.
00:05:29
Speaker
James Gunn tweeted it out ah this morning, I think. It's crazy. I know Superman came out last week, but like Friday night, I feel, on Twitter, I was already seeing clips of Superman.
00:05:43
Speaker
Super heads are they're showing up. The fans of the big blue are here. It's I'm actually I'm happy to see it. And i'm I'm going to go see Superman this weekend. So I'm really excited for it.
00:05:55
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me But um it does seem that James Gunn's DC Universe or whatever they're calling it is off to a good start. Now that's to be determined, and at least in my mind for me, um upcoming. But at least the general consensus is people
Excitement for Superman and Fortnite Humor
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Speaker
like it. I haven't seen a lot of haters And if you, the listener, are wondering why we haven't talked about Superman yet, we are planning to do a super fantastic episode for you.
00:06:25
Speaker
And that will be coming out in just a few weeks. Timon, you've seen Superman, though. I have. Did you rate it it on Letterboxd, or are you holding out for like two weeks? I ought i added it to my July list of movies I've seen, but I'm not going to reveal it yet.
00:06:40
Speaker
Speaking of a super fantastic, did you guys see that Fortnite added Fantastic Four skins?
00:06:49
Speaker
They added what? It took me a second to like get why you sent that. And I like, Fantastic Four skins. Fantastic Four skins.
00:07:01
Speaker
And then it hit. They're adding what?
Brendan Fraser's New Movie and Casting News
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Speaker
Yeah. Who in the marketing department didn't see that one coming? Consider me logged on to Fortnite when that drops. It would and'd be better if that was intentional.
00:07:19
Speaker
There's no way it was. yeah Actually, I think it could have been. i feel like Fortnite is the one thing you'd probably get away with it. Be like, oh, fantastic foreskins in Fortnite.
00:07:33
Speaker
Stupid. Who wants to take the next piece of movie news? um Brendan Fraser, new movie. um He's in something called Rental Family, and the film follows a struggling actor who is hired as a token American guy for a Japanese rental family company in Tokyo.
00:07:50
Speaker
Let's go. How do we feel about it? That sounds awesome. I am super excited. Sam, I love Bernard Frazier. Yeah. The picture of him is less memorable than that first image we got of the whale. Dude, that picture was burned into my mind for that year.
00:08:09
Speaker
still haunts me. That was 2023, right? Like the whale was... Yeah, I think, no, 22? 22? I think it was 22. Yeah, it was 22. Yeah, because I was looking at my list and I didn't see the whale there. Every time, like, sometimes I just, like, close my eyes when I'm going to sleep and then that picture of him pops up. My eyes just close and it's just like... get flash banged by Brendan Fraser.
00:08:33
Speaker
Real quick, I wanted to say one that wasn't on the list. ah Ryan Gosling and Will Ferrell will star in a new comedy titled Tough Guys. The film follows two goons who are tired of being disposable and break free from the criminal underworld.
00:08:45
Speaker
i thought it was going to be a sequel to nice guys the tough guys i heard you say tough guys and i was like oh like we finally got it and nope i've been i've been edged sorry these goons sorry for edging
00:09:02
Speaker
classic anthony anthony taylor johnson in robert agar's werewolf shut up sorry wait aaron taylor johnson shut up You know, let's not get bogged down in who miswrote in the show notes.
00:09:19
Speaker
um I did write Anthony Taylor Johnson instead of Aaron. Is that just his evil twin? Yeah. The spiritual sequel to Nosferatu. Although, is it going to come out before that Willem Dafoe Christmas Carol we heard about?
00:09:34
Speaker
what Yeah, I feel like Robert Eggers has like three or four movies in production. Like some of these have to be fake.
00:09:42
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um Unless he's just doing them all just like, like just back to back. The one with Anthony might be fake. It's hard to tell That should have been our first clue.
00:09:54
Speaker
Anthony Taylor. Anthony Taylor Johnson. Nice try discussing film.
00:10:01
Speaker
We see your games. um Tachi, you saw Superman. I did. Did you see the Odyssey teaser?
Greek Theater and Odyssey Adaptation
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Speaker
but I did, and that's why I added it.
00:10:11
Speaker
Yeah. Sorry, fellas. I want you to... yeah log on Log off. Log off. I don't want to see you. What did you think? I just want more. That's that's really it.
00:10:24
Speaker
I just want more. You know, if you want more, um there's a book you could read. Actually called the Odyssey.
00:10:34
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Maybe I'll give it a shot. It's coming soon. The book made it. They made it for the movie. Yeah. Oh, nice. It's got pictures and sounds really helpful. little storybook might spoil the movie, though.
00:10:46
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it's It's actually based off a song, which is crazy. What song is that? The Odyssey. It was a song. It was Homer. It was like originally like a song.
00:10:58
Speaker
Oh, it was. Yeah. so The, the Odyssey, I think are like, and all those like really old, like, like Epic of Gilgamesh. I think they were all like sung. I didn't know that long song.
00:11:11
Speaker
A really long song. And we're just like, Jesus Christ, this guy has been going for a while. and I want to say that and it like at least in some forms it was sung.
00:11:23
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Are we going to say it was a song? Maybe it was just spoken word over some music. And that was their theater back in the day. But there was Greek theater. But this was like experimental theater.
00:11:35
Speaker
They had stringed instruments back then, right? Yeah. Surely. Surely. The lute? The lyre? The electric guitar. Was it Hermes was always pictured with the thing?
00:11:47
Speaker
With the little harp? Yeah. Harp? Yeah. Oh, true. I've been dying to see this teaser. like you you guys Did you guys see that the tickets are going on sale tomorrow?
00:11:58
Speaker
I saw. Yes. A year in and out. Are we locking it in? no Yes. we could I think we should. I mean, there's going to be more showtimes.
00:12:11
Speaker
No, there's not. It's just gonna be one. That AMC website is going to crash and burn tomorrow. What if there was one showtime and tickets were a million dollars?
00:12:22
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If we can get ah million people to donate to donate three dollars for each of us. Actually $5 because tax.
00:12:33
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Oh, I hate taxes.
Emmy Nominations and Casting Speculations
00:12:35
Speaker
i hate tax. I think we could do it. um I didn't look at any of the Emmy nominations. Who put one down? I know Andor got shafted.
00:12:46
Speaker
Yup. And Severance got a lot. But I heard um everyone's favorite toucher, Pedro Pascal, got nominated for like two minutes of screen time.
00:12:57
Speaker
He got nominated for The Last of a Season 2? Yeah. Yeah. I think as lead actor. As lead actor? think. Uh, Bell Ramsey also got nominated as best actress.
00:13:10
Speaker
The internet's going to love that. Yep. Uh, okay. And yeah, Andor got shafted and haven't seen this, but ah show called adolescence, uh, had the official youngest Emmy nominee in Owen Cooper.
00:13:27
Speaker
So congratulations. Okay. Let's go. Owen. Owen's a long time listener. So shout out, Owen. Yeah, we love you, Owen. I heard Adolescence is pretty good. My parents watched it. They liked it until they didn't.
00:13:40
Speaker
um The Wonder Woman movie is being fast-tracked at DC Studios. Oh, cool. Who do you guys want as Wonder Woman? In this kind of scenario, I think normally we could say this is way too quick for a Wonder Woman movie, but the Gal Gadot ones were so bad, I think we're all ready to just kind of move on.
00:13:59
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Max Lord, you're putting everyone in danger. Give me the stone. yeah I think think James Gunn is calling you. Hello?
00:14:09
Speaker
He told me to kill myself.
Pirates of the Caribbean and Zendaya's Slate
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Speaker
I wouldn't mind if it was ah Bix from Andor. Oh, that's like that's a good... I like that. Is that what's-her-face? Adria. Yeah, from Hitman?
00:14:26
Speaker
Yeah. and I've been seeing her get fan-cast a lot, and I agree. She's got the chops. That could be cool. Or me. As Wonder Woman?
00:14:38
Speaker
Yes. I want you to imagine me. I'm closing my eyes. Yeah, and then imagine me in a Wonder Woman. Okay. I see it. And we're off the air.
00:14:50
Speaker
I would think um Rebecca Ferguson could be a good choice. As Wonder Woman? Yeah. She pulls off that tough. She's pretty tough.
00:15:04
Speaker
Or, um oh, what's her name from... That movie with Oscar Isaac and robots. Ex Machina?
00:15:14
Speaker
Yeah. Alicia Vikander? Yeah. She's been out of the spotlight for a while, but I've always liked her. She was Tomb Raider, right? In that reboot? Yeah. Failed reboot. Yeah.
00:15:25
Speaker
You know, it would go nuts. Huh? Ana de Armas as Wonder Woman.
00:15:31
Speaker
Not for like any real reason. You just want to see her in the costume.
00:15:38
Speaker
Sue me.
00:15:41
Speaker
I'm not going to argue against you. I'm not going to argue. Who wrote Pirates of the Caribbean? What does this mean? I did. ah Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom have signed on to both appear in the movie.
00:15:53
Speaker
There's a movie? don't Yeah, there's a sixth one in the works. I don't know the extent of their role, but they will be back. I think it flops.
00:16:04
Speaker
Probably. It's not going to do well. I think... Johnny Depp has kind of died out after, even after the whole and Amber Heard thing. Like regardless where you stand on that, I think it's safe to say that.
00:16:16
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It's just done. Yeah, it's done. Yeah. Always cooked. Truly. who wrote Zendaya's 2020 Oh release slate. I thought it said release date and I was like, I shot it. all right Yeah. I was just at saw release date. I was like, what?
00:16:32
Speaker
No, Tom getting busy. Uh, yeah. She's got Dune Messiah or Dune part three. Yup. Spider-Man brand new day.
00:16:45
Speaker
Shrek five and the Odyssey. Shrek five. so four potential bangers i forgot about most likely only three it's gonna be three i the trek five teaser did not leave me excited and the plot left me even less excited do we have a plot for the movie i want to say the one that was floating around was they go to like the real world or something Oh, no.
00:17:14
Speaker
I know. we we went from Puss in Boots The Last Wish, which was awesome. Great. And you had all this runway to build off of that. And you're going to blow it because Zendaya had to be an ogre.
00:17:29
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Like, come on. Are we sure?
00:17:34
Speaker
I'm almost never shocked by that news. Yeah. I'm going to agree with Tashi. Oh, sad. I'm sorry. It's okay. 2025. Just my expectations are bottom of the barrel.
00:17:49
Speaker
We've got some good stuff. We still need to watch Superman. Yeah. Four comes out next week. ah Weapons is out a few weeks. Lots to look forward to. It'll be good.
00:18:00
Speaker
But instead of looking forward... We're going look back. Nice. Let's go. Thanks. This is my comfort year. 2023, our comfort year.
00:18:11
Speaker
Maybe one day we'll talk about 2019. That is also a really good comfort year.
Barbenheimer Phenomenon and Cultural Impact
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Speaker
We're going to open this up by talking about Barbenheimer. But I'd like to get y'all's thoughts or your experience with Barbenheimer.
00:18:25
Speaker
What do you think made this such a big deal? And did you watch these movies back to back? I did watch them back to back. And I think what made it such a big deal was it was a truly organic movie.
00:18:40
Speaker
like we're we're back moment yeah you know it's like these movies are going to be on like the same day and then they threatened to like move one of them i forget which one but there was such a meltdown over it because the joke had become like unironic that barb and hire became a thing and frankly i think both movies benefited from it and i think I think that it was ah Barbie almost got pushed. I remember something it was with Warner Brothers. Because Warner Brothers and Nolan had like beef or something.
00:19:15
Speaker
I think it was because barbie or ah Oppenheimer had the IMAX thing, and so they only could really do it in like certain times. At least originally, their plan was to only do it certain times because like the IMAX schedule is pretty straightforward, but the movie was such a success that it kind of ruined everyone else yeah on the IMAX slate. like It really screwed them over.
00:19:39
Speaker
I think it ruined ah Dead Reckoning for sure. It did. I remember seeing an article that Tom Cruise was pissed about it. Poor guy. That was just unfortunate timing. Yeah, it was really unfortunate. But also, screw Gabriel, am I right?
00:19:54
Speaker
That dude sucks. He's the worst. This was a very organic experience. Did you guys see him last back to back? No. Do you mean like literally back to back, same day? Yeah.
00:20:09
Speaker
Like, did you do the actual like Barbenheimer day? No, but I think I saw them both the same weekend. saw them both the same day. I saw Barbie at 10 in the morning, and then I saw Oppenheimer at like 9.30 at night.
00:20:24
Speaker
That's sick. We saw Oppenheimer together, Malik. All of us saw it together. Oh, Dachi, you were there? Okay, good. but I think we've had this exact conversation the podcast. We had it about Duneport, too. Yeah, it was Dune.
00:20:37
Speaker
Wait. No, we didn't. Yeah, we did. Where? Where? For Dune or for Oppenheimer? For Oppenheimer. I remember watching it with my brother and Max.
00:20:49
Speaker
Yeah, I was there. Tachi, were you there? I literally sat next to Alex. Okay.
00:20:56
Speaker
Did we go to the Cinemark over here? Yeah, Cinemark on 35. Okay, okay. And we stood outside and talked for like 30 minutes. We did, we did.
00:21:08
Speaker
We can't keep doing this again. I don't know how y'all's memory is, but like I do have a really bad memory. I do too. I guess maybe we're just forgettable as friends in your eyes.
00:21:19
Speaker
No, no, never. Don't ever, don't ever say that. You're as memorable as this Barbenheimer experience to me. Who are you?
00:21:33
Speaker
Anthony. Anthony Tateau Johnson. Josh Bone. My guy. I want to find him. We need better jokes than just saying people's names.
00:21:46
Speaker
Yeah, our personal glub shittos are, they have room for improvement. That's what they are. They're just personal glub shittos, and they'll grow. the longer The longer that time passes, the better they become.
00:21:58
Speaker
We need to go see Marty Supreme together, and when but the boner comes on screen, we just go nuts. Absolutely lose it. That's going to be our chicken jockey.
00:22:10
Speaker
Tachi, you teased a little bit before this episode, so we both rewatched. You rewatched both movies? Mm-hmm. Sure have. How did you feel on, on a rewatch halfway through Barbie as a little disappointed.
00:22:23
Speaker
And then by the end of it, I was reminded how much fun it was and just, don't know. It's a really great time. Great message. Great theme. Yeah. Um, You can tell how much care they put into the production.
00:22:38
Speaker
um Same with Oppenheimer, obviously. But um still a great viewing experience for both overall. I agree.
00:22:49
Speaker
um Let's break down Barbie just a little bit more. Looking at the box office. Did you guys see the box office numbers already? do you want take guess? Pretty much.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah. Like it was actually a bar billion. Yeah. this so This movie made 1.4 bar billion bucks. That's great. Did anyone predict that?
00:23:11
Speaker
No, because I remember our slash box office. i don't know if you guys subscribe to that subreddit. It's actually pretty entertaining, um especially when something's bombing. um
00:23:23
Speaker
But I remember specifically when Barbie was just like skyrocketing, people were going nuts because it was like. Like the the pre-sales and the opening weekend were, like I think, orders of magnitude above what people had expected. Hmm.
00:23:43
Speaker
And I do remember like someone saying, oh, it's going to make over a billion. And they got just laughed out of the subreddit. And they were right. And i mean, i love that it made that much money. Like I do, too.
00:23:57
Speaker
For it, I guess you could technically call it a franchise movie. Like, it really isn't for something like that to just show up and make that much money. I mean, that's one of those like so it was it was truly like a cinema's back moment.
00:24:10
Speaker
Yeah. Like we were coming off a Top Gun and then that happened. Yeah. Yeah. Barbenheimer was just like out of this world. And like, I really don't know anyone that didn't, that wasn't on board with the experience. Like, like everyone you knew was, was talking about it.
00:24:28
Speaker
I think everyone like in our circle went and saw both of them. Yeah. Like, I actually don't really know many people who did not go see at least one of those two in theaters. Yeah.
00:24:40
Speaker
Friends, family, everybody. Everybody was there. and it was Priests. Yeah. It was such a fun time to just even, like, drive by a movie theater for the next week or two and just seeing, like, people dressed up. Like, people were going to the theaters dressed up as Barbie.
00:24:56
Speaker
I don't think people were dressing up so much for Oppenheimer. But just seeing like that level of excitement for for a movie was dressing up as Oppenheimer for Barbie would have been crazy.
00:25:09
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure I saw some like on TikTok and I wish i wish I did that. um What would that just be? Just a baggy pants and a suit jacket. And the existential doom.
00:25:23
Speaker
Guess the do you guys know what the letterbox rating is? Isn't it like a 3.7 or something? 3.8? We got a 3.8. Yeah, that's good. i think I think that's pretty good.
00:25:33
Speaker
For a movie at this magnitude? Yeah. What are you guys' as personal ratings for Barbie on this? I had given it like a a three and a half, so seven out of ten. Or no, no, eight out ten. Sorry.
00:25:44
Speaker
four Four. Four out of five, yeah. Okay. Four. It was 4.5, but I think I got carried away with the hype initially. But on on my rewatch, I just brought down a little bit just because I didn't love the pacing of the first half.
00:26:00
Speaker
I will say i haven't given it a full rewatch, but having... um like rewatched bits and pieces of it recently. i think that I could see myself also dropping my rating, but not by much.
00:26:18
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But I also think what made me think so positively of it in the first place I think the ending was so powerful that it really pulled it all back in. Yeah.
00:26:29
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I just got done rewatching it, and you make a good point, Tachi. I do feel like at times like the pacing is kind of up and down, like it's almost like a roller coaster. And there are just some stretches where it starts to lose me, especially when they get into the real world.
00:26:43
Speaker
like i think I think that entire sequence is something that doesn't fully work for me. um So I was definitely in that same position where I felt like the excitement was kind of like dwindling.
00:26:54
Speaker
But yeah, the last 30 minutes is just such a good time. Yeah, for sure. but Like we get the we get the Ken battle. And that's about like 10, 15 minutes. Yeah, the beach. off it's It's very long, the entire beach off. And that's just such a fun time. And then, you yeah, capping it off with like the emotional ending just really seals the deal for me there. Exactly.
00:27:16
Speaker
what What else didn't work for you guys for it? Was there anything else that like, ah, I wanted a little more Dua Lipa. She was in a lot of the press leading up to it.
00:27:27
Speaker
Um, but I think they cut a lot of her scenes. I thought it going to more musical. You know what's crazy? Everything that got. What? When I saw Dua Lipa at ACL, she didn't even play the song from Barbie.
00:27:41
Speaker
That year. disappointing. No, no. I mean, like, this was last year, but it's that song did numbers. She did like a little like interlude where it played, but she didn't perform. It was during a costume change.
00:27:54
Speaker
Maybe she doesn't like it. Maybe she hates Barbie. For sure.
Barbie Movie Discussion and Ratings
00:28:00
Speaker
Maybe she. You heard it here first. Maybe she hates women. I mean, that dancing with that song is like one of my favorites is watching Ken dance.
00:28:07
Speaker
This um is a excellent movie added to our repository of I'm him movies. But honestly, like not just saying this, I think I'm comfortable saying this is probably the most I'm him.
00:28:20
Speaker
Ryan Gosling movie there is where I see. Oh, I don't know. don't know. Literally. I'm like literally me. I don't think over Blade Runner. You think you're more aligned to Blade Runner Ryan Gosling than Barbie Ryan Gosling?
00:28:34
Speaker
Yeah, unfortunately, I think I need help.
00:28:41
Speaker
If I had to choose, probably Barbie Ryan. Barbie Ryan. God, I just need meds, I guess. and um guess I'm spending too much time with the Grok AI girl.
00:28:56
Speaker
Grok, who am
00:29:00
Speaker
Grok, tell me I'm a good Joe.
00:29:04
Speaker
Grok, help.
00:29:07
Speaker
Croc, what is this?
00:29:11
Speaker
Oh, Ken, I think I'm not scared of saying this. I think Ken is ironically the best part of the movie. I hate to say it. If anyone else wasn't, right like if it if it was Ryan, if it was someone other than Ryan Gosling or Ken wasn't in the movie at all, I think the movie would be like at least a level worse.
00:29:35
Speaker
And I remember people thinking that Ryan Gosling was too old for this role. He was, i can't think of anyone else who would, who would have done better. He's just so charming.
00:29:46
Speaker
Yes. Like he's still, he's still got it. He's just great. He's just, he's he's just Ken. He is like that whole press run of Barbie is still one of my favorites to this day.
00:30:01
Speaker
The ah him performing. I'm just Ken at the Oscars is probably. Top three moment in Oscars history, and it's not. worth so It's not three.
00:30:12
Speaker
Such a fun time. And I've got a sick Martin Scorsese meme from it. When he looks at the camera and he says.
00:30:22
Speaker
Do you think Scorsese liked Barbie? I think he did. Yeah, I think he came out and said that he did. Just not Marvel. Anything but Marvel. He, yeah, he doesn't like... Could you imagine a Scorsese Marvel movie?
00:30:37
Speaker
What would that look like? I feel like it would involve Kingpin somehow. I want to see him with Ant-Man.
00:30:47
Speaker
Get him back in the quantum realm. Yeah. A crime, like, noir-ish drama in the quantum realm. Yeah, I'd go for that. A character that, like, doesn't seem aligned with Scorsese and see what he does with it. Kingpin's too easy.
00:31:01
Speaker
Yeah, that was cheating. Yeah, I don't know. I think I'm pretty much aligned with you, Malik, where the pacing was just really wonky sometimes, but ultimately really good. and um Do any of you have any last thoughts?
00:31:16
Speaker
What is your ideas is opinion on the America Ferrera monologue? That was good. I feel like it was good, but I could also see it aging differently. Not as good. Not like the contents of it, but just like Delivery.
00:31:31
Speaker
delivery Yeah, the delivery of it in the movie. I could see that like not particularly aging great as we go on. I wasn't a fan of it the first time seeing this in theaters. like It kind of took me out of the experience.
00:31:43
Speaker
And for me, at least, it is not aging well. So I think that is a little bit of a sour note. like I think it's fine. It doesn't break anything for me. um But I curious to see what you guys felt it. you mean in terms of the phrasing or the delivery? Yeah.
00:31:59
Speaker
Just the overall delivery. Okay. Like it kind of just feels like preachy. Yeah. And not in a, not in a good like movie way, if that makes sense.
00:32:10
Speaker
it It felt like it was one of those things where it was like, I think it was very like tell instead of showing. Yeah. Like it was just explaining the message. It's like, okay, like we got it. Like, yeah.
00:32:25
Speaker
what One part that did save it for me is like right before she starts her monologue, ah Margot Robbie is having this like very emotional breakdown. And like in a way, like for a split second, I'm like, this isn't working because like it's Margot Robbie.
00:32:40
Speaker
And then there's that clip of the voiceover saying, if you want to like convey these these types of emotions, don't have your main character be Margot Robbie. Like it says. She was calling herself ugly. Yeah. And I thought that was really funny. i was like, okay, all right.
00:32:52
Speaker
It's, it's aware. Yeah. It's aware. I'm back in. Also, Kate McKinnon is hilarious as Weird Barbie. I forgot how funny she was. She's really funny in this. yeah There's a lot of really good lines in this in this movie.
00:33:05
Speaker
It's super quotable. Yeah, I wanted to try to write them down, but I just i just kept going down the list. I was like, it's mainly everything. It's just the whole Ken script.
00:33:15
Speaker
Yeah, and Alan. I love Alan as a character. man when we found a niche yeah When we first meet Alan, he gets like two like actually good dolly zooms when Ken like jumps off of the wave and is hurt.
00:33:30
Speaker
The camera just dolly zooms to Alan. I'm like, this is good. As he's screaming. It's insane. But I think this movie's aged well. um I still really enjoyed it. It's really funny.
00:33:45
Speaker
Agreed. Four out of five. Four out five. Four out five. That's a four out of five from
Oppenheimer Movie Analysis
00:33:52
Speaker
us. Here's a second part of Barbenheimer. Alex, I'm sad you didn't rewatch it. How many times have you seen Oppenheimer, Alex?
00:33:59
Speaker
Just the once? Just the one time. And you're going based off of vibes. I'm ripping raw vibes. Tachi, was this your second rewatch? It was. Okay. Or first rewatch. Second viewing. Second viewing. Yeah, first rewatch.
00:34:14
Speaker
This was my fourth fourth time watching this. This is a long movie. It's super long. Yeah. It didn't feel that long in theaters, though.
00:34:25
Speaker
I think it still doesn't feel that long. i I can see that because i think the pacing really lent itself. It was so surprisingly fast paced for a movie of that subject matter. Like I'm still really understand how Nolan was able to take a movie about a scientist and make it fast paced.
00:34:44
Speaker
Because it literally should like everything about this movie just should not have been possible. No, it it should not have been able to be a fast paced movie about ah like a historical drama revolving around a scientist building the atomic bomb where you don't actually see the use of the atomic bomb.
00:35:05
Speaker
um There's no way that this three hour historical drama should have made as much money as it did.
00:35:12
Speaker
And um there's no way that it should have garnered the just... insane hype that it should have it did on all three fronts and it was just purely like i said before like it was almost organic like it just happened i don't even know why it happened i don't even know why everyone was like we need to go see oppenheimer but people just did i and i still can't explain it to this day like why was this the one is it just because of nolan i mean nolan's got that pull for sure
00:35:49
Speaker
But I think this really like cemented him as like an event filmmaker. Like one of the greats. Yeah. Because, I mean, he's always like... i mean, we've grown up with Nolan, so I feel like he's always been in the conversation and always been in a lot of people's favorites. But, yeah, like you're saying, something about Oppenheimer just like... Just drew people in.
00:36:11
Speaker
Just, yeah. I couldn't tell you what... I mean, the entire like last hour of this movie is straight up just a courtroom drama. Like we get the Trinity test at the two hour mark and then there's still an hour left of movie.
00:36:24
Speaker
And it flies by and it's so good. Like that last hour is actually like my favorite. Do you guys remember when the Trinity test happened in theaters and they just sucked the air out of the room? Yeah.
00:36:39
Speaker
It was one of the best theater moments I've ever had. was so good i was watching it last night and just like goosebumps still like all over my body um one note that i did want to make the trinity test took place july 16th 1945 today is the 80 year anniversary of the trinity test whoa yeah happy day no happy birthday to you
00:37:13
Speaker
um I finished the movie and I looked over the camera and i'm like, that's a horror movie. Like this is ah this is a horror movie to me. It's so bleak. The ending just like leaves me completely breathless.
00:37:28
Speaker
and And his speech in front of the crowd after the test. Oh my God. Brutal. Man, this movie slaps. um Box office for this one. This one did not make a bar billion bucks.
00:37:41
Speaker
Just shy with 975 million. I could have done more. Like you could have gone to see it more? I could have gone to see it more. that I think this is on me. I agree.
00:37:54
Speaker
You agree that it's on me? Yes. Only. Exclusively. um Standout performances from this movie. Anyone that you guys want to shout out? Yes.
00:38:06
Speaker
Casey Affleck as Colonel Pash. So good. Oh, he was terrifying. You want to talk about a horror movie? Yeah. That guy. I can't even read up on his history.
00:38:18
Speaker
No. Like who Colonel Pash was. He was like a refugee as a kid from the Soviet Union. He came over and he hated communists so much. He joined the army to go kill communists.
00:38:31
Speaker
That's crazy. And I can't even say that I wish we had more of him in the movie. that would have just been... i I don't know if I could handle more of that. No.
00:38:42
Speaker
um Josh Peck pushed a button. that was cool. He does some really great face acting in that scene, though. He does, actually. Like, he sells it very well. i mean, it was the button.
00:38:55
Speaker
So, pretty stressful. Could you imagine having that responsibility?
00:39:02
Speaker
I don't know of which one like actually using it. Yeah. Because there was still the near zero ah possibility of the atmospheric reaction, which I didn't really catch my first viewing.
00:39:16
Speaker
Really? But my second time thinking about it, i was like, oh they could literally just light the air on fire and it will never stop. Yeah, just would have created a chain of events. Consume the planet.
00:39:27
Speaker
Oh my God, could you imagine? We wouldn't be here today. Yeah. It would have been his fault. you You wouldn't have been listening to us. gush about this movie.
00:39:40
Speaker
What if it really did burn up the planet and it's just purgatory? It might be. That's a very real shot. um RDJ. Very good.
00:39:53
Speaker
Very, very good. but has Go ahead. Did he deserve to win the Oscar for best supporting?
00:40:04
Speaker
Who was he up against? So for that year, we've got Sterling K. Brown in American Fiction, Robert De Niro in Killers of a Flower Moon, Ryan Gosling in Barbie, and Mark Ruffalo in Poor Things.
00:40:17
Speaker
It had to be him or Robert. I think it has to be him or Robert. Oh, I was so confused. Why did I say Robert? De Niro. You're right. i think yeah Here's my take is I actually think it should gone to De Niro.
00:40:33
Speaker
i think de niro really disappeared into his character whereas i don't think our robert downey jr did as much he was fantastic don't get me wrong but like de niro's character was one of those it's like who am i watching on screen i really believed it yeah and uh as as awesome as robert downey jr was it was still like this is robert But I think that was kind of the appeal in having him win because it's Robert Downey Jr. and he's been and That was definitely the storyline that was, you know, that helped a lot. It's like the first big post Marvel movie and he comes out and knocks out of the park. It's like, look, he's been, you know, just keeping this from us for two decades.
00:41:19
Speaker
i don't know if you remember the scene Tachi, but ah it's when they're all like Oppenheimer, Robert Downey Jr. Then a lot of the other characters are just sitting at that circular table kind of talking about um I think the hydrogen bomb and Robert Downey Jr. is asking the information that Oppie has.
00:41:36
Speaker
And he says something to to Oppenheimer saying that the president needs to know. And like it's like a very like up close shot. He does this like a little smirk like in between like breaths of his lines.
00:41:48
Speaker
And it's so good. Like in that moment, i like yeah it's just it just like tickles like an itch in my brain. But I do think Robert De Niro was excellent in Killers of the Flower Moon. But I was happy to see this go to RDJ that year. Yeah, like I don't have a problem with it. He he was great, like you guys said. and um Definitely one of the highlights of the movie.
00:42:10
Speaker
For sure. I'm not sure if I've told you guys this before. So last December, Cam and I went to St. John for a vacation. um If you guys weren't aware, Oppenheimer and his family have had a cottage in St. John.
00:42:25
Speaker
So a few years after Hiroshima and Nagasaki, he purchased the cottage out there in St. John. And that's kind of where they would just like go to escape kind of the the craziness of his life. But...
00:42:38
Speaker
It was crazy. I was reading into it. So they have ah the beaches Gibney Beach. We ran out of time to actually go visit it and see like the cottage, um but they renamed it Oppenheimer Beach. And so he died in 76, I believe. And then Kitty had passed away on a sailing trip from St. John to Panama in 77. I might be getting the years wrong, but their son had moved away. i think he moved, um I think, to the California area. And so they were living with their daughter in St. John.
00:43:08
Speaker
uh and she actually took her own life in that cottage on saint john ah few years after her mom had passed with a note that said i leave this cottage to the people of saint john that's depressing it's very depressing i just thought that was like actually insane it's pretty neat though it's super interesting for sure history is just so cool Speaking of, it's weird to think about it now, but I guess growing up and learning about Einstein, you don't think that he was alive anywhere near oh when you're when you're thinking about it. But i mean, he was alive, like maybe not anymore, like 50 years ago, basically 50 years ago when I was born. That's just crazy to me.
00:43:51
Speaker
It is crazy. He feels like a... You're right, because it always felt like, like oh, like he was around when Isaac Newton was around. Yeah. But like, no, not even close.
00:44:03
Speaker
Like during the Cold War, he was alive. It's so strange. When did it? When did Einstein die? i don't know. Let's look that up. Like my grandma was probably alive while Einstein was was alive. Oh, I know for sure my grandparents were alive while he was alive.
00:44:16
Speaker
He died in 1955. Wow, that's actually. Earlier than I would have thought he had an abdominal aortic aneurysm. God, that sounds terrible.
00:44:27
Speaker
No. there's a there's a shot in here i've seen people talk about it but they kind of feel like albert einstein was almost a like a glove in this kind of one yeah was specifically a scene of uh of robert downey jr leaving in a car and as the car like like it's oppenheimer in the front of the camera and the car drives away out of frame and then einstein is standing behind the car and is walking towards the camera like an insane cameo appearance There was also another crazy glub shadow in this movie. There is another one. Right at the end. yeah And it's like glub shadow for boomers.
00:45:06
Speaker
It's John F. Kennedy. Oh, yeah, yeah. That name drop. It was the representative from Nebraska, John Kennedy. He's like, Kennedy? John F. Kennedy?
00:45:18
Speaker
Something on the old start.
00:45:21
Speaker
Like, what are we doing here? i yeah am in Oppenheimer. Yeah. Rami Malek's performance in this. Really good. Not long, but delivers. Valuable.
00:45:33
Speaker
Oh my God. i mean, we can go through the the list and just be like, oh, this person was good. Was there any performance that didn't work in this movie? who Ooh.
00:45:44
Speaker
Because that'd be easier to narrow down. Yeah, would. Let's take a look at. haven't talked about the women yet. Um, Emily Blunt was fantastic. Emily Blunt is so good.
00:45:57
Speaker
Florence Pugh was really good in it. um The one thing I didn't like about this movie. What? The one thing. Go ahead. The I Am Death Destroyer world scene.
00:46:07
Speaker
Like, what are we? Like, what? Oh, and they're together. Yeah, he's with Florence Pugh's character, and they yeah they just finish canoodling. And then he whips out the Bhagavad Gita and then pulls out that quote.
00:46:21
Speaker
Yeah. Like, that was that was kind of glub-shidowy. It's little just like, well, all right, well, sure. It's like, oh. i don't know. I'm going through. I can't see performance that I'm not a fan of. Is there anyone for you?
00:46:38
Speaker
there a reason you brought this up? No, I was hoping that you would save me. What do you mean? I was hoping that you would bring someone up to discuss because I legitimately can't think of performance I didn't like. I can't think of one.
00:46:50
Speaker
Like going down the list. I can't either. I just finished watching it right before we met today. There's just so many standout scenes. Kitty in the interrogation room.
00:47:02
Speaker
So good. I mean, Kitty in the whole movie. and the In the whole movie, yes. well When he's all moping in the woods. When she locks in. Yeah. He's like camping, like sad. and She's like, you suck. It was incredible.
00:47:17
Speaker
Pull yourself together. I was trying to think of any like hot takes with this and couldn't think of much. One thing that I will say on, so I watched this last night and on the 4k, it does um do like the, the IMAX ratio extension on the TV.
00:47:35
Speaker
but it's different than like Sinners or like a Mission Impossible. Like Mission Impossible, like we're leading up to the scene and the bars kind of just slowly raise. It just gives you like that time to breathe and lock in.
00:47:50
Speaker
For Oppenheimer, like it was just very, very like quick cuts. Like it would be like one scene and then it would cut to the next scene and then it'd be the big IMAX ratio. But for a lot of the...
00:48:04
Speaker
scenes shot in imax were like there's a lot of just like quick insert cuts if that makes sense so like there would literally be like a shot of oppenheimer walking and then the camera would change to like another angle of him walking and that would be in the imax ratio and they would go back to a different angle and it would just be back at in the normal ratio so that was kind of jarring and kind of took me out of the experience here because it just kept going like like back and forth.
00:48:28
Speaker
So I thought that was a little, a little strange. It just, it it felt different than like the standard um IMAX expansions that we see in, in other kinds of movies.
00:48:39
Speaker
And on that note, kind of, I think purely for the Trinity test, ah please listener, don't watch this ah like on a laptop or conventional.
00:48:50
Speaker
Yes. Computer monitor. Please watch it on an actual TV. Also, why are you watching this? Movies on a computer monitor. Just don't do that. We all work from home these days.
00:49:02
Speaker
There's a lot of people that do. I had to today. And I had to watch the explosion on my computer monitor and it really sucked. Oh man. Speaking from experienced people, listen to the man. Don't make his mistakes. Please don't give this movie the love and care deserves.
00:49:20
Speaker
Is there anything standout Alex that we haven't covered that you remember that you wanted to discuss? Colonel Pash just lives rent free in my head. He's the biggest standout of the movie to me. Everyone was like, oh, Matt Damon, this Matt Damon, that no Colonel Pash, Colonel Pash. Actually, i will say now that I just said his name um of all of the performances in the movie, I don't think it was bad, but the one I liked the least was Matt Damon's.
00:49:48
Speaker
He was the least convincing, I think. Okay. I could agree with you there. I just felt very... I just felt like Matt Damon. you know like i There's a line delivery? Yeah. like it There's like a specific line delivery that he has. so like The first hour of this movie is Oppenheimer basically assembling the Avengers.
00:50:09
Speaker
And it's so cool. um But while they're going through all these different colleges, he's he's partnered up with Matt Damon. And he has this line delivery. And they're trying to convince someone to to come to Los Alamos with them. And then Matt Damon goes like, how about the most important goddamn thing that's ever happened in this country?
00:50:27
Speaker
And it's just like a really, like, I don't like the way he delivers that line specifically. And they had that line in the trailer. And even in the trailer, it was just like, and it still doesn't really, kind still falls flat in the movie for me. But like, so if we had to pit Queens against each other, would have to put Matt Damon at the bottom just purely for that. Cause everyone else was spectacular.
00:50:49
Speaker
think you're right but if i want to give him a little grace his character was kind of stuck in the middle of a lot of things one his role in the government two ah his own personal feelings about i guess what the creation of this thing is and what you know it kind of implies um also just his his job to do and making sure that Oppenheimer does it.
00:51:19
Speaker
I don't know. I could see him like not having 100% conviction in making sure the project succeeds or fails. But it is his primary motivation.
00:51:30
Speaker
Yeah, not a bad performance. But Alex, I think you're right that he wouldn't be at the top. still ah Still a great performance. like You're amongst like the best of the best here.
Christopher Nolan's Future Projects
00:51:41
Speaker
You're in good company, Matt Damon. It's like losing in the Champions League. Keep it up, man. You'll make it Maybe he'll redeem himself next year.
00:51:51
Speaker
Oppenheimer too. Yeah. What did you guys rate this on letterboxd? Four and a half out of five. Four and a half. Four and a half. This is a five for me. We need to go back to out of 10.
00:52:05
Speaker
Why? Okay. 10 out of 10. 10 out of 10 sounds more grand than a five out of five. Okay. All right. Redo it. no What is your guys' rating out of 10? Nine out of 10.
00:52:17
Speaker
Nine. Ten. Does that feel better? So you can just sound like like, oh, it's a ten. Is that what it is for you? It is. It's like a ten just feels special.
00:52:29
Speaker
You gotta take just the extra step and gotta divide too much. You gotta multiply. No, you divide by two. No, but if you're going from Letterboxd to IMDb, or I guess the out of 10 scale, you multiply by two. Yeah, but I don't go to the out of 10 scale.
00:52:43
Speaker
I stay in Letterboxd. you have to go You have to go from the 10 scale to Letterboxd. Yeah, and it's stupid. It's actually like the one thing I don't like about Letterboxd is that it's out of 5 and not out of 10.
00:52:57
Speaker
It's always been stars, though. I know, but a 10 just feels important. You know, like it's it's just like a, it's a vibes thing. And this is, this is 10 out of 10 for me.
00:53:11
Speaker
It was from the Beninging and it still stands to this day. Is it your only Nolan 10? My only Nolan 10.
00:53:21
Speaker
Probably. It might be for now. This did get me really curious like what the Odyssey is going to be. i ah thinking about that Tachi I don't think I have a Nolan 10 but I have like four or five Nolan 9s which is crazy.
00:53:40
Speaker
Still great. it's It's fantastic. He's probably like my cumulative highest rated director. I'm so excited for the Odyssey. Dude I'm hyped. I can't forget. We need a good adaptation.
00:53:52
Speaker
Like i'm i'm I'm watching Oppenheimer and I'm seeing just like the amount because like Nolan's movies are like very conversation heavy. So it's going to be very interesting to see this adapted into the Odyssey. Except for Tenet.
00:54:05
Speaker
Maybe a little more conversation would have helped. Tenet rocks. I didn't get Tenet. I need to rewatch it. I didn't get Tenet at first and I've rewatched it a couple times. I am locked into that movie.
00:54:17
Speaker
need to give it a second shot. you You do. With subtitles on.
00:54:22
Speaker
it's It's just vibes. Subtitles off. It's pure pure vibes there. I do want to point out one last thing before we move on. ah The sound was great in this movie. So good.
00:54:33
Speaker
Reminded me a lot of Dunkirk, which I thought had a great sound as well. And the soundtrack was fantastic. Love it. the Oppenheimer theme all throughout the movie is just awesome what does uh Kenneth Kenneth Brahe's character say in the beginning oh I can picture it but can't remember it I forget exactly the line he's like the question is that if you can see the music Robert it's can you hear it can you hear the music Robert and then it just drops I'm sat up in my seat every time yeah any final thoughts on Barbenheimer
00:55:06
Speaker
I want another Barbenheimer. Me too. I want another phenomenon like that. I don't know if it'll ever happen again. i feel like... I don't think anyone has fully tried. I've seen memes kind of come out when a couple movies come out the same day.
00:55:20
Speaker
Saw Patrol? Saw Patrol is the first one that comes to mind. That might have been the only one, but... I'm surprised that more that studios didn't try to capitalize on this hype more, but I'm glad they didn't because like you said, this was organic. You can't, you can't recreate it.
Barbenheimer's Lasting Impact
00:55:38
Speaker
I had the butterflies going into the Barbenheimer day that I had picked to do it. It felt like Christmas. I it literally did. I, I remember driving to Alamo village to see Barbie at like, like I said, like 945 in the morning.
00:55:53
Speaker
I had the butterflies. I was nervous. I was nervous to go see a movie. because you wanted it to be good. I wanted it to be good. And I was like, this day is like we've been talking about this day for months and I'm i'm here for it. I'm doing the day.
00:56:09
Speaker
And the day like I just I look back. It's one of those moments you look back on. You're like. That was that was worth it. That lived up to it. This is our Brad Pitt in F1 in his flow state moment.
00:56:21
Speaker
Just constantly chasing this high. This is it. This is the expectation. very well could be. It's just such a good summer. I mean, Across the Spider-Verse was just a month prior.
00:56:33
Speaker
Yeah. Another banger. it was ah It was a great year. Which is why we're going to talk about it. Yeah, we're going to talk about the year. Quickly, ah Team Money, I think you've got a few trivia questions for us.
00:56:45
Speaker
I do. It's going to be a little bit different than what we did before. But we'll just start out with the softball. I'm going to give you ah multiple choice options.
00:56:56
Speaker
Question one. What is Ken's job? A. Horse B. Swim C. Abs D. Beach speech Beach Beach You're both correct.
00:57:13
Speaker
Let's go. Question two. What was the first sign that stereotypical Barbie was malfunctioning? A. Her feet went flat B. She had thoughts of death C. She fell out of the house D. She had a cold shower
00:57:29
Speaker
God. I'm going to go with thoughts of death as well. You're both correct. He's copying me. I'm not.
00:57:42
Speaker
And on the following three questions, ah the answer is going to be A, Barbie, B, Oppenheimer, or C, both. Okay. So you're going to guess which movie applies to this prompt essentially.
00:57:58
Speaker
This movie asks us to think about what it means to be human and confronts the audience with the fact that frightening a little, frighteningly little, separates humanity from oblivion. In fact, the movie's protagonist thinks constantly about death and is often overwhelmed with existential thread dread.
00:58:14
Speaker
That's literally both. That's both. That's literally both. The answer is both. Let's go.
00:58:22
Speaker
Number two, this film's protagonist is played by an actor who has previously portrayed an employee of Arkham Asylum in Gotham City. That employee eventually becomes a notorious Gotham criminal in large part because of the work they were doing with one or more of Arkham's inmates.
00:58:37
Speaker
That's Margot Robbie. i I loved Margot Robbie in Batman Begins. She's so good. here to go with I'm going to go with Oppenheimer. It's both. Huh?
00:58:48
Speaker
Because she is. What's her face? Oh, he tricked us. Birds of prey. oh Oh, what's her name? Actually, forgot that character. Harley Quinn.
00:59:00
Speaker
She's right. No, that's crazy. Got him. All right. You got us. Got you. We literally made the joke.
00:59:15
Speaker
Oh my God. No. That's nuts. Oh. All right. I'm going to go commit seppuku. Speaking of, question three.
00:59:27
Speaker
This summer 2023 film may very well cause controversy in certain parts of Asia if it hasn't already. Separately, one of its many subplots involves violence against one or more Asian people.
00:59:38
Speaker
It could be both. It's going to be both. I'm going to say it's both because I remember there was some... There was something happening with a particular scene in Barbie where it wasn't going to air in a certain country because of the scene.
00:59:54
Speaker
And it's like a very quick scene. It's like when she like pulls down the map. I couldn't tell you exactly what the story was. But I remember. Isn't it like the the ah the Chinese like islands were wrong or something? Like yeah yeah included like the South Sea as part of China?
01:00:09
Speaker
Something like that. I'm going to go with both as well. You just convinced me. to Yeah. You are correct. Okay, do you have the answer for what the Barbie, like why that's also Barbie? It has to be the South China Sea for the tiebreaker.
01:00:23
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thought it was the beach off? Yeah, they're all attacking each other and Ken's up and in there. No, but I think there was a real like controversy, and I think it was the South China Sea. Oh, have no idea that. the tiebreaker.
01:00:34
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Okay, okay. For the tiebreaker. ah Okay, I'll look up. Okay, so it says, did this headline, Did Barbie Cross the Line? How a Childlike Map Stirred a South China Sea Dispute.
01:00:47
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Let's see. Let's go. Okay. It says the movie has been banned in Vietnam over a scene that features a map showing the South China sea, a strategically important body of water. That's highly contested by China and a number of its neighbors.
01:01:01
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Many of whom have close ties to the U S that should be a point for me. i am the one who brought it up, which means I'm at five points. i brought The scene is like 10 seconds.
01:01:16
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If that, like she pulls down the map and then points to where she needs to go. And like, that's it. It doesn't even, it's not even accurate. It's like, it's like a ah child drawn map.
01:01:29
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Yeah. It's not even close really to what earth actually looks like. I just remember thinking it was like ridiculous. It's really strange. Like whatever was happening. Um, this is not a question, but just a little fun note about Oppenheimer.
Trivia and Geopolitical Controversy in Barbie
01:01:43
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Timestamp, one hour, 51 minutes, five seconds. Someone says, in exactly one hour, 58 minutes, we'll know. This is during the Trinity test.
01:01:55
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At one hour, 58 minutes, zero seconds, Oppenheimer says it worked. Let's go. so that's neat. Thanks, Nolan. Thanks, Nolan. Thanks, Nolan.
01:02:06
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You're our king. We know you're listening. Isn't it just, like, only celebs listen to our podcast. It's why wouldn't they? I'm suffering from success.
01:02:20
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That wraps up. Barb and Heimer. To close out the episode, we're going to look back at 2023. Talk about our top tens. Hits and misses.
01:02:31
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wants to go over their top 10. Looking at this year, this was ah really good year. Alex, I see why you wanted to talk about it so bad. I love this year so This year, to go back on the scale of out of 10, because it's correct, eight of my top 10s were nine or above.
01:02:50
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Three were 10s. That's just an absurd hit rate. I'm really close to that almost exact same situation. Yeah, wait, let me... And it's it's and there's some where it's like, like, this is a top ten where I think they stood above like head and shoulders above the rest.
01:03:07
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And but like in them, like I could totally see myself reorganizing this because it's just. And the movies that got left out of the top ten are just like. Whoa.
01:03:19
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Like, for example, 11 is Anatomy of a Fall. Yeah. 14 was Barbie. Oh, Barbie's also my 14. um
01:03:32
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Ironclaw is 12 for me. Wow, not top 10. I still have yet to see Ironclaw. I think you'd like it. I think I'd really like it. I just I had tickets to see it and then I canceled them and I never saw it. I just never watched it and I really want to.
01:03:50
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I've just never been in like the right headspace to like sit down and watch it. Yeah, you got to be ready to be sad. so how are we can do this? Bottom to top and then we just alternate. um I'm going to do yeah bottom to top.
01:04:03
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Yeah. Yeah. Let's do that. and we We each say like our 10 and then our nine and then our eight. Oh yeah. Let's that way. you want to do your honorable mentions? Like we're not 15. Nevermind. Nevermind. Nevermind. I have just 11 and 12 as honorable mentions.
01:04:18
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Okay. Okay. We can do for honorable mentions. Okay. I think for my honorable mentions, I'm just going to save them until we do our superlatives. Okay. I'll wait. Okay. We'll wait. All right. So I thought off with art with my number 10.
01:04:32
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Yep. Dream Scenario starring Nicolas Cage. Good pick. I really enjoyed that movie. There's also one I did not see. Dungeons and Dragons Honor Among Thieves.
01:04:44
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Let's go. Pretty fun comedy. Yeah. My number 10 was American Fiction. I need to watch it. Where did I put American fiction?
01:04:57
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You know, i was looking at this list and I think there were some movies i forgot so put on here because I don't think I saw American fiction until March or February, your March for the Oscars.
01:05:09
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So I think the ones that I missed, I didn't put on this list, but I don't think the ones that I missed would be in the top 10. I wasn't too much of a fan of American fiction, to be honest. I liked it It just, I don't know, it hit that spot for me.
01:05:22
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Yeah, that's fair. I respect it. My number nine was Anatomy of a Fall. Another one I need to watch. Who did you vote for, Malik?
01:05:33
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like Did you vote on if you thought she was she did it or not? What do you mean? Oh, like in the actual movie? Well, do you remember at the end of the movie, it was like, like there was like a thing, it was like, go vote for what you thought was the truth.
01:05:48
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You remember that? No. At the end of the movie, like, as, like, the credits were rolling, it was like, like, we want to hear, like, what you think. Like, do you think she did it or do you think she was innocent?
01:06:00
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Oh. Which would you have voted for? Because I voted. She did it. I think she did it, too. Yeah. Good for her. Is this based on true story?
01:06:12
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No. No. Okay. Yeah, we so we solved the crime. Yeah. 80% of voters say that you did it, so you're going to jail. ah true A true jury of your peers. I think that's how we should do trials, Love Island voting style.
01:06:28
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Oh my God. All
01:06:33
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right, number nine for me, Mission Impossible, Dead Reckoning. Nice. I do have Dead Reckoning at number 15. I just realized that I don't have Dead Reckoning on this list.
01:06:45
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um I forgot to put it on. My number nine is The Boy and the Heron. Oh, crap. I forgot that one. We're doing great. she Okay. Dungeons Dragons is now an honorable mention.
01:07:01
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Sorry, guys. Whoops. That's and's hilarious. um I've got my number eight as Killers of the Flower Moon.
01:07:12
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My eight is and Barbie. My eight, and this is the start of the nine out of tens, is Past Lives. Okay. Past Lives is on my list, but where is it at?
01:07:25
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Please don't turn us off. Find out what happens. Where are we at, number seven? ah Yeah. My number seven is The Iron Claw.
01:07:36
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Nice. I don't know if I'll ever be ready to watch this movie again. I don't know if I could. Yeah. Yeah. It's little but hard to watch. once oh Just a little bit. yeah okay My number seven, Puss in Boots, The Last Wish.
01:07:52
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That was a great movie. That was so good. That was a really good movie. My number seven, Spider-Man Across the Spider-Verse. but Also a great one. My number six was Poor Things.
01:08:05
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Oh wow but Okay there's one we actually disagree on Yeah Poor Things was 23rd Out of how many movies? 55 Okay Upper half Nope Just barely in the middle Just barely it is upper half though but just barely It was 3.5 out 5 7 out of me okay we're at six Yep.
01:08:36
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My turn? Yep. I'll go with the Avatar The Way of Water. Kind of surprised me, but I really like that movie. See, I think I just gave up. On what? The movie?
01:08:50
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No, on the on the list. Like, I never went like i never went back after 2023. Yeah, I'm still missing a lot. Avatar would be an honorable mention for me.
01:09:01
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My number six is one we've talked about already. um a little flick called Oppenheimer. Six? Although it could flip-flop back to... like Five and six are interchangeable for me. Five?
01:09:16
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Shut up. Pump those numbers up, boy. There's bangers ahead of it. I'm sorry. All right. My number five is a movie called a Thousand and One.
01:09:27
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Not sure if you guys have heard of this one. ah Directed by A.V. Rockwell, starring Tiana Taylor. ah I've got this in the superlatives as well as an underrated gem, so I'll talk about it a little bit more then.
01:09:39
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um But that made my top five. Cool. My number five is Godzilla minus one. Let's go. Godzilla in the top five. That's banger. banger.
01:09:51
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My number five is Killers of the Flower Moon. Good spot. Very good spot. Like I said, it's it's I flip-flop back and forth between that and Oppenheimer. I think they're about equal.
01:10:05
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Yeah. not to do Did we get your number five? Yeah. What was it? Godzilla. Oh, Godzilla. I'm sorry. My number four is Wes Anderson's Asteroid City.
01:10:17
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ah One of my really good friends hates this movie. What? She absolutely detests it. detests it that's ridiculous she her letterbox review and like i i'm gonna read this shamik i don't know if you're listening but if you are high um she gave it one out of five and said this was ass i'm sorry if you say you liked it you're lying ah one i'm not a liar two you're the liar
01:10:49
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Yeah, you showed her. yeah And I commented, i actually commented on this file and I said, Rare Shamika L. And then she said, why are you booing me? I'm right. And then I said, I already already portrayed myself as the Chad and you as the Soy Jack.
01:11:05
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Alex is fighting for his life in Letterboxd comments. Moiki number four? Astro City. Oh, sorry. My number four. Guardians of the Galaxy, volume three.
01:11:16
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Whoa. Nice. every Is that high? pretty high Is that too high? I thought it was great. I had that hovered right around with poor things.
01:11:28
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Oh. It just didn't... like Yeah, that's 24 for me. It was 24 for me. Wow. my god, Malik. Disgusting. Mine's 24 out of 71. So it's...
01:11:43
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so and so That's not bad. I know. yeah It's like, oh, like it's it's only 24. But like that area is still like movies that I liked.
01:11:55
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like It really drops off. Like it really drops off around. Like 38.
Movie Rankings and Preferences Discussion
01:12:02
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Yeah. 35. Mine drops mine drops off i thought i did I thought I didn't put the boy and the hair in here. Do you guys want to know where it is? Oh, God, where? 30? You didn't like it. I remember that. I didn't like it.
01:12:14
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I've got it at 42. That's just an L. This really starts dropping off to movies that I didn't enjoy starting at 57.
01:12:27
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So everything above 57, I at least liked.
01:12:32
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39 is where I started saying this is mid and then anything past 47 is if you like this, you should not watch movies.
01:12:47
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I'm, I'm missing a lot and i gave up on reorganizing after the second movie that I forgot to add. That's okay. We just got to lock in for our 2025 lists. Yeah. I believe we're on my number four. Yeah.
01:13:02
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I've been telling you to watch this movie for years, Malik. And Tachi, you're about to get the same treatment. My number four was Joyland. Joyland. You have been telling me to watch that. It is. deep in my watch list.
01:13:16
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It technically came out in 2022, but it got a US release in 2023. Or like it had a festival debut in 2022 and then had like a wide release in 2023. It's Pakistani movie.
01:13:28
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Yeah. um And I was just blown away by it. and you should go watch it. It's great. Some of just the cinematography is off the charts. Whoever is the director of photography that for that movie needs to be winning something ASAP.
01:13:43
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And, um, what really pissed me off about this movie is, uh, you know, the activist Malala. Yeah. She, she produced it. And the only recognition this movie got by the Academy um,
01:13:57
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um During the Oscars, who was not who was hosting them that year? Jimmy Fallon? I think it was Jimmy Kimmel. He made oh it was made a joke about it, right?
01:14:11
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Well, no. What mascot did they bring out in the middle of that movie? Or in the middle of the Oscars? oh Oh, I don't. The only thing like that this movie...
01:14:25
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like the only recognition this movie got during the Oscars because it didn't get nominated for best international feature was Malala got accosted by some masked figure. I remember.
01:14:36
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Yeah. In like during this movie, I was pissed. I remember a lot of people were pissed about it. thought it was just in poor taste. What was it? Oh my goodness. This is going to kill me. um But yeah, that's my number four.
01:14:53
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My number three is the holdovers. Too low.
01:14:58
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Agreed. that's ah Let's see what we got it at. When we're getting to my top three, these are the three, five, ten out of tens. Yeah. yeah was say the Of the year for me. So the holdovers is the first one.
01:15:11
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My number three is Oppenheimer. Too low.
01:15:16
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Fair. My number three is the zone of interest. leave see Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
01:15:28
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My number two is Past Lives. Oh. Respect. I loved that movie. Loved it. I might put like, yeah, I don't know. Time passes and you kind of want to rework this.
01:15:42
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I feel like Holdovers could take the second spot. But still, Past Lives is a 10 out of 10 for me. Yeah, that one is rated a lot higher. Well, not a lot higher, but higher than some of so in my top 10.
01:15:55
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So it's it's in my top 10, just not officially. Yeah. What's your number two? My number two, the holdovers. Let's go. My number two is also the holdovers. Oh, let's go. Taji, maybe we should kiss.
01:16:10
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Leave Malik out of us. Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm changing it now. changing it Let me join.
01:16:16
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My number one is Oppenheimer. Whoa. Who could have seen that coming? Nobody.
01:16:24
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I guess this is the shock of the number one spot, but minus Spider-Man across the Spider-Verse. I think it's a perfect movie. It's a great movie. I'm going to try and top it because my number one is Godzilla minus one. Oh, nice. Damn. You like but that much.
01:16:41
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Dude. we we saw We all saw that movie together because I remember walking out of the theater and I said, guys, that might be number one movie of the year. I'm going to honest.
01:16:53
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I need to rewatch it. I was kind of sleepy. How could you be sleepy in that movie? I was just sleepy. It's at number 22 on my list right now.
01:17:03
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Does this guy even like movies?
01:17:09
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And then Spider-Man is number 12 for me. it's It's like one of a handful of movies, like less than five probably that I can count. i I just didn't want it to end. i I needed more.
01:17:21
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When is the new one supposed to come out? 27? Who knows? I don't think they know. We'll see. We'll see. Let's end it with superlatives, if you guys are cool with that. Yeah. I'm cool with that.
01:17:32
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All right. So I've got a few superlatives here. Best theater experience. Alex, you go first. I'm going to have to go with It's probably going to be Oppenheimer.
01:17:45
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Looking through the list, there's not really one that tops that for me. ah Just because like we were all there. i mean, were so hyped for it, and it had the best moment in the theaters for me, though.
01:17:58
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I think Godzilla Minus One is probably a close second. And it's, I guess, honorable mention for this category. I wouldn't quite say I enjoyed the theater experience, but I think the Zone of Interest was a very powerful theater experience.
01:18:10
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We've talked on that before. Yeah. doing You don't even have that rated on Letterboxd, Malik. I think I told myself because I didn't know how to rate it and I never went back to do it. I was like, I'll sit on this and i and I'm sitting on it still.
01:18:26
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It's bound to hatch any day. We'll see. You give it two? I'm just going to like it. ah Just add it to a movie unless it movies you watch.
01:18:36
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Yeah. ah I would probably pick Oppenheimer for Best Theater Experience, but I will just pick something different, but still kind of a cop out across the Spider-Verse.
01:18:52
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I've got Oppenheimer for mine as well. Yeah. I don't see it as a cop out. That was it's not a cop out. Yeah. Okay. Well, I'm fine with either of those. Both were great. Yeah. Most over.
01:19:03
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Go ahead. I say the real theater experience was the friends that we forgot we went to the movie with. Yeah.
01:19:11
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Which happens on a very regular. It's happened twice. i was, when I said we all went and saw Godzilla, I was so scared that you guys were like, no, he didn't. No, I remember that. don't that one, actually.
01:19:24
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We saw that at Regal. Yeah. Look at that Look at me. don't even remember where we sat. So sometimes I remember. sometimes You remember the movie because you were asleep, apparently. wasn't asleep.
Overhyped and Disappointing Movies Debate
01:19:35
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I was sleepy.
01:19:37
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I'd never fell asleep during the movie. the only The last movie I fell asleep in was Black Bag. And that was like the first in a very long time where I legit fell asleep. I almost... so I had flown back from Thanksgiving and i i went and saw the holdovers like almost immediately after I got off the plane.
01:19:57
Speaker
My flight was at like 5 in the morning. I almost fell asleep in the theater oh and it was still peak.
01:20:04
Speaker
If I could choose to fall asleep during a movie, it would be Crimes of the Future. Bro, leave leave that man alone. He does not deserve your hate. He does. All right, what's next?
01:20:15
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Most overhyped movie.
01:20:18
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I hope we have... Alex, we might have the same answer. I have a couple. Okay, all right. And if... There's some friends in our group that... um this this this is going to cause some fighting.
01:20:35
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um I already said poor things was low, so I won't say that one, but I think that one's really overhyped. But the movie I just never, ever, ever understood was air.
01:20:50
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I thought air was so mediocre. Oh, need to watch it. It was just like people were going nuts over it. And I was just like, really? Really?
01:21:02
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I really liked air. It was fun. It was fine, but it was like nothing groundbreaking. and I didn't think it was particularly like a great script or anything. I mean, it's nothing groundbreaking, but like it it moves it's like It's paced very well, I think. And it's just like, this also feels like one of those dad movies.
01:21:23
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I watched this at home I just like, yeah, yes. but i And I usually love those. I just did not get that from this one. ah I just didn't get it. Another one that I guess was technically overrated...
01:21:38
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but everyone doesn't like it was maestro. And then May, December, I just I thought it was really acted, but everything else I was just like. so
01:21:49
Speaker
You got going nuts over it. I've got made December at 19. I liked it. But yeah, people were were kind of going crazy over it. I did want to see Charles Melton get that nomination, though. I did think he was a nomination. He was really good in that movie.
01:22:02
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What about you, Tachi? Oh, ah mine is kind of a hot take, but it's Killers of the Flower Moon. oh I think... i respect Honestly, I respect it because I see why people don't like it.
01:22:13
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It's just, it feels. It's runtime. It's kind of a slog, or it was for me. I mean, as much as I love Niro, um and honestly, the the whole lead trio, where they glass on and in Leo, um they were all amazing, but the movie just, it's pretty tough to get through all of it.
01:22:33
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at least At least in my experience. I think i think that's fair. i i respect that take a lot, actually. That's your Sinners of 2023? Basically, yeah. my Sinners of the Flower Moon.
01:22:49
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My most overhyped movie of 2023 is none other than Skinnamarink. but Was that even hyped? Yes. It's super polarizing.
01:23:01
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i think leading up to it, I think the hype was very real. Like people were very excited, myself included. No. But what about the post-release hype?
01:23:12
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How was the reception? Polarizing, like Alex said. Okay. It's got one of those like straight lines as its rating distribution on Letterboxd. It looks like Saddam Hussein lying down.
01:23:27
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so like Sinners is is overhyped pre-release and post-release. I would say this one is purely pre-release. Worst movie.
01:23:37
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breakdown worst movie Is that your lowest rated movie? Skin Marine? Yeah. No. for For this year? No. That's crazy. It's 47 out of 55 for me.
01:23:49
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It's second to last. It's 70. I can't wait to hear what's last. i don't have the I don't have the one I have in the last ah for my worst movie, but I'll talk about it too.
01:24:06
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My worst movie is 65.
01:24:09
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Oh, that's a pretty bad one. I was so, how do you mess that up?
01:24:17
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i i The trailer was sick. We love Adam driver. It's just time traveling or something with dinosaurs. How can you not make a good dinosaur movie? Like a dinosaur horror movie with Adam driver.
01:24:30
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That's all they told me. And I said, i have three tickets already. What happened? So many horrible decisions. So many. Oh, man.
01:24:42
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That's number 67 on my list. Mine is not the worst movie I saw. But I think in terms of what it represents, it was the worst experience. And that was Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny.
01:24:56
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That movie sucks in almost every single way. And it's way too long. If you're going a long movie, just like Heroes the Flower Mane, it needs to be great. Yeah. And Doll of Destiny is nowhere close.
01:25:09
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I'm going to do two. One of them wasn't... It's my fourth lowest rated movie, but I was so pissed off during it that it was probably my worst theater experience.
01:25:20
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um Gran Turismo. Didn't even bother watching it. it's It's a movie made by someone who doesn't understand racing. And it's just ridiculous. Like, um I won't even get into it.
01:25:35
Speaker
Gamer turned racist. It just is. Many such cases. It is absurd. And like the things that happen in that movie where it's like.
01:25:46
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ah Like, I'll just give an example. Like the racing drivers hate the gamer so much that they like basically attempt like vehicular manslaughter on him. And then like.
01:25:59
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Like multiple times during a race and like nothing ever comes of it except the announcers of the race are just like, oh, like the gamer really sucks at driving, doesn't he? He got like run into a wall.
01:26:14
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It's just so stupid. ah But the worst movie that I saw, and this was just like. It was just painfully bad um because it wasn't even like entertaining bad.
01:26:25
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Do you remember the story I told on the pod about my skin and rank first date? Yeah. Yep. Well, one of the other times that this girl came over, we're looking for a horror movie to watch and i let her take the wheel and she picked out this Hulu original called Jagged Mind.
01:26:44
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Huh? And it was just really bad. Did she like it? ah She didn't finish it. but she But when she left, um she did not like it.
01:26:58
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And I was like, I have to finish this because like I need to log it on Letterboxd. And I need to put it on my 2023 list. It's an actual like decent presence. or ah Premise?
01:27:10
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ah these Yeah, premise. um When Billy finds herself reliving different versions of the same first date, she must break out of a series of loops created by her manipulative ex-girlfriend.
01:27:21
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It's actually like a really interesting topic, but the twist is so bad that it actually ruined the whole movie. like ah Like a fucked up Groundhog Day.
01:27:34
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Yeah, but like instead of like the the good route, they took the route where it was terrible. Common mistake that filmmakers make. They should stop doing that. Yeah, I really think they should.
01:27:48
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um This was directed by Kelly Calley, who has directed... Big name. Nothing else of value, it seems. um And it stars two people who...
01:28:02
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One of them is their credits are the following. The Kissing Booth 2 and 3 and Star Wars The Force Awakens. Let's go. And then. You're going far, kid.
01:28:15
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Okay, the the like the the antagonist definitely has way more film credits than everybody else, but um none of them are good.
01:28:26
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It's a shame. like it just yet It was a bad movie, and it wasn't even like enjoyably bad.
Underrated Gems of the Year
01:28:31
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I couldn't even laugh. That sucks. It's just like, this is bad. One and a half stars.
01:28:39
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Underrated gem of 2023. I'll go. Got to a minus one. Not enough people watched it. I'm glad it did get the love that it got at the Oscars.
01:28:52
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I feel like that turned a lot of people on to it. I think so too. But initially, I agree. yeah That was another one that was awesome about this year because the hype around it was like true word of mouth.
01:29:02
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Yeah. Like there wasn't really much like like promotion for it in the US. People went to it and then like ticket sales were really weird because it didn't have a strong opening weekend, but like the, the drop off that normally happens did not happen because more and more people were going to go check it out.
01:29:21
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Yeah. And they kept it in. They kept having to extend the theater run because demand was so high. Kind of felt like the first gardens of the galaxy just came out of nowhere. Yeah.
01:29:32
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Good for them. Good for them. Sure. Well, you guys, i I'll go. um I have three, but I've already talked about one on the pod, so I won't talk about it. That was the Starling Girl.
01:29:44
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um We talked about that during our ah Thunderbolts episode because it stars Lewis Pullman. Yeah. um But the both of mine that I thought were really underrated, I don't think really many people saw them, were ah Red Rooms and ah When Evil Lurks.
01:30:04
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Red Rooms. I know you saw When Evil Lurks, Malik. I've got that one under my underrated gems of 2023. But for what's Red Rooms? I think I've seen that.
01:30:15
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Red Rooms, the high profile case of serial killer Ludovic Chevalier has just gone to trial and Kellyanne is obsessed. When reality blurs with her morbid fantasy, she goes down a dark path to seek the final piece of the cases puzzle. I watched this on a plane and there is one scene in this movie that is so it's skin crawling. I know which scene you're talking about. Red Rooms is very good.
01:30:39
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This movie was like, I actually put Red Rooms as my number 12. It's right behind Anatomy of Fall. The scene you're talking about, is it the look? Yes. oh Oh. Yes.
01:30:50
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But this that there's there's actually two scenes in this movie. The look is just... I wanted to get off the plane, and I was 30,000 feet in the air. I really wanted to get off.
01:31:02
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um But then the other scene where she's watching like the video and you can't see it. This movie is such so good at at. um Showing not telling and it doesn't even show it It's just it's in go watch this movie. It is just o it's.
01:31:19
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I think, yeah, I agree with you completely. I think this was a very good movie. kind of Kind of tackles the obsessions, I think, that a lot of people have with true crime and how involved I think we get as people. Yeah. um um Yeah.
01:31:35
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good Good pick for that one. I also have When Evil Lurks in my underrated. When Evil Lurks is awesome. When Evil Lurks is really The world building is so cool. And the the end yeah lives rent-free in my head.
01:31:48
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I wish more people saw that one. I'll choose another one um and since we've got the same one, but No One Will Save You. Yes! Directed Brian Duffield. liked that one. Yeah, it was a Hulu original.
01:32:01
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I think this one went under the radar specifically because it was a Hulu original. I think this movie would have done very well in theaters, but I mean, a horror alien invasion that's nearly like silent, very minimal dialogue.
01:32:17
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Real fun movie. I really enjoyed this one. Starring Caitlin Dever. Speaking of Last of Us. Yep. Nice. Disappointments. Movies that you were excited for, but ultimately disappointed for. So this kind of goes with with worst movie.
01:32:30
Speaker
We can skip this one unless there's another one that you guys wanted to shout out. I was disappointed Infinity Pool. Huh. Good. Hmm.
01:32:41
Speaker
That was an honorable mention for worst, and I haven't even seen it.
01:32:49
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has done down I was also disappointed with It Lives Inside. I was also disappointed with It Lives Inside. I have that under disappointments. I thought you liked that a lot more than I did. I'm surprised that's on your...
01:33:00
Speaker
I liked it half a star more than you did. Okay. But it was still disappointing because I was super excited for what I thought was going to be like a really interesting look at like another culture's horror stories. And it just dropped the ball. I think it started off good. And then it just was like, Ooh, yeah.
01:33:21
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um the picture the two The picture of the two stars, though, and the the monster, like the behind the scenes one, is ah is hilarious. yeah ah else That was the best part about the movie.
01:33:33
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also put down Renfield, if you guys saw that one. I didn't see that one. Is that Nicholas Holt? Yeah, Nicolas Holt and Nicolas Cage vampire movie.
01:33:43
Speaker
I think it should have been like a lot more fun with the premise. um It wasn't horrible, but I think they could have just leaned into it a bit more.
01:33:55
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like it could have been something like It could have been a really fun theater experience and something to like enjoy with the crowd. And I feel like it was at the end of the day, was just a bit lackluster. Yeah, I was excited for it, and then I didn't hear anything good after it came out, so i was like, well, whatever. Just shoved it to the side. I don't blame you. Yeah, that one's pretty low on my list here.
01:34:12
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I wanted to mention ah The Creator, which is a stunning, stunning film. um i I liked it. It was actually decently high on my list, but it could have been like 10 out 10. Yeah, it had great potential.
01:34:27
Speaker
It could have been something great. It could it was it was a solid 7 out of 10 movie, and it was like... so close to the best sci-fi movie of all time was the, the, the ceiling of that, yeah which is so sad.
01:34:39
Speaker
Any 2023 is that you missed that you still need to watch iron claw, like half of your movies that you listed both of you in your top 10. I've got perfect days and the bike riders.
01:34:54
Speaker
No bike riders was 2024. Was it? Yeah. And they tricked me. You Google one thing, And then your friends tell you it's something different. Wikipedia wouldn't lie to you.
01:35:08
Speaker
I mean, I guess it's not a lie. It probably premiered at a festival in 2023. I think it did, but it was originally supposed to release in 2023 and then they moved it back. Oh,
01:35:20
Speaker
all right, just perfect days. And I think I just got that on DVD. You did. watched you buy it. Yeah. I do have an honorable mention real quick for disappointments. Before we wrap up, ah Violent Night.
01:35:33
Speaker
don't know if you guys saw that. it scott I did not see that. the The Santa Claus movie? Yeah, Santa Claus movie, the slasher. it could have been really fun. it was just fun. But it could have been really fun.
01:35:45
Speaker
They're making a second. Oh. Well, maybe we'll step it up. We'll see. I'm going be pessimistic. I don't think so. That doesn't seem like a movie that needs a second iteration. it does not. It's going to be terrible.
01:35:56
Speaker
The last movie I have on my list, number 71, was Leave the World Behind. Oh, yeah. The Obama movie. Yeah. Didn't he produce that? i think so, and I think...
01:36:08
Speaker
I didn't think the movie was great, honestly. And then I think just all the discourse around it, because Obama produced him like it, and they're like, just got into like all the conspiracy theorists head. They're like, they're telling us something.
01:36:20
Speaker
It's coming.
01:36:22
Speaker
So I
Final Thoughts on the Year's Films
01:36:23
Speaker
was just like, shut up. so Obama. Soda. What was the last movie on your guys' list that year? It was ah for me. It was Jagged Mind, but I'll go second to last because I didn't talk about it yet.
01:36:39
Speaker
Lemonista Italian movie starring Penelope Cruz. It was just so stupid. I was I was mad. Did you guys watch Sound of Freedom? No, no, because that's like the 10th highest box office domestic.
01:36:56
Speaker
No, I did not see it either. i actually I wanted to go see it purely because I was very I was like very curious. I was also curious. They were like giving tickets away to that. I remember it was like weird. It was like you didn't buy your own ticket, like you bought like the next person's ticket.
01:37:12
Speaker
It was like pay it forward, but in tickets. Hmm. It was weird like pyramid scheme. I think that's how they probably doubled the box office. That funded Angel Studios for like a millennium. Well, 2023 was a great year.
01:37:30
Speaker
had fun talking about this year and and Barbenheimer. I should just go watch Barbenheimer again. Any final thoughts from you guys? I'm due for a Godzilla minus one rewatch. I think I also am. Same. mean Do we expect 2026 to be like 23 or no? No, I don't think we can expect a year to be this good.
01:37:49
Speaker
This had Barbenheimer and it also had the holdovers, which. We're going to end on a bombshell. Paul Giamatti should have won best actor. He should have.
01:38:00
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Paul Giamatti should have won best actor. I think that's a very common opinion on this podcast. We all agree. Definitely. I'm not mad about the rest of the world. I'm not mad about Killian Murphy winning, but it's a shame.
01:38:14
Speaker
Paul G. Mighty didn't win. Yeah. One day, i mean, I guess we'll just be chasing this high of 2023. We'll to wait for holdovers, too. It's not about the journey.
01:38:26
Speaker
Wait, it's not about the destination. I've messed it up. It's okay. All right, one more time. Let me take one more time. It's not about the destination. It's about the journey. And the friends that you forget that you watch movies with.
01:38:40
Speaker
Precisely. Thank you so much for listening to this episode. We'll see you in the next one. See you.