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Lost In The City - After Hours (1985) & Caught Stealing (2025)
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Ladies and gentleman we are back with a great double feature, Martin Scorsese's After Hours and the new Darren Aronofsky film, Caught Stealing. Let us know what you think of these 2 films!
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Introduction and Concert Experiences
00:00:14
Speaker
Welcome back listeners to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host Malik. I'm your host Tachi. I'm your host Alex. How are you boys doing today? Doing all right. Hanging in there. Tachi, I saw, did you go to the weekend concert?
00:00:26
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I sure did. Dang. It was awesome. How was it? It was great. It was everything I had hoped for and more. Did you and Nathan talk about it? No, I didn't know until I saw his his Instagram story.
00:00:40
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I had no idea that you were going. meadon Yeah. um My first time seeing the weekend. and Oh, it was? Yeah. Oh, nice. And it was fantastic. What was your a favorite favorite song that he performed?
00:00:54
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Did he do anything that you were like super stoked for? i was really hoping he would play The Abyss from his newest album. um And he opened with it. So that was oh that's a really fun surprise. yeah Love when that happens. He has a really cool breakdown.
00:01:09
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um But he sounds amazing live. yeah So I actually gained a lot of respect for him. Yeah, he sounds he sounds great live. I was telling Nathan, and I think I've told you this story before, but what year was it? It had to be like 2015, ACL 2015.
00:01:26
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And this is something that like I think back, and I don't know how I did it, and i don't think you could pay me to do it again, but The Weeknd was headlining that Sunday. And I show up to the park, I think at 930, I think the gates open at 10.
00:01:40
Speaker
And I did like the videos that you see um of people like running into like the festival. Now I'm just like, why do people do this? but I'm like, I did that. But I ran in and the stage at the weekend was performing at got on the gate and camps in that same spot all day.
00:01:56
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And he was the closer. So from 10 until he came on at like 8, 830, I was at like the same spot all day. Nice. Could not do that again, but it was a really good time.
00:02:09
Speaker
Was Jenna Ortega there? I don't think she was there. No, she did not have an agent at the time. What about you, Tachi? Was she there? Was she in the crowd lurking? Could have been.
00:02:20
Speaker
I won't rule it out. If the but weekend goes missing, we know where to look. Suspect number one. How are you, Alex? Happy belated birthday. Thank you. Thank you.
00:02:32
Speaker
I'm, uh, I'm doing all right. I, uh, but for a run this morning and my leg hurts. Nice. Welcome to the 30 and up club. I'm 27.
00:02:46
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Honorary 30. Honorary 30. When you're amongst us, you're you're in the 30s with us. Oh, my back. All right. Well, before we get into today's episode, we are going to be talking about After Hours and Caught
Celebrity News and Film Industry Updates
00:03:00
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Stealing. But um we've got some movie news to kick us off before we get to talking about those movies.
00:03:06
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What we got first here on the list, Dwayne Johnson Weight Loss. I did see that. He did lose weight. yeah Pretty considerable weight loss. I think it's fine. like i don't think there's I don't think it's sustainable for a man his age to maintain that size or healthy.
00:03:21
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Absolutely not. So good for him. I mean, same thing with Batista. Yeah. um I'm glad he's following a similar so more path there. Do you think he naturally lost weight or do you think it was Roxempic?
00:03:38
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I'm going to go Roxempic.
00:03:41
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Did you guys see the standing ovation that the smashing machine got? Yes. And he was in tears. I was in tears. It's interesting. It is interesting. It was a long ovation.
00:03:54
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lot of people are saying people with the sight foresaw this. Two weeks ago. um Disney canceled live action Aristocats.
00:04:07
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Questlove was directing. This is the first time I'm pissed about a live action Disney being canceled because I was genuinely curious.
00:04:18
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i'm ah I'm a big fan of the Aristocats. And so I was. When I saw his name attached, I was cautiously optimistic on what it could be, because it's a very, you know, musically driven movie. And I was like, it could get funny and weird and wacky. And it's about, you know, dancing, talking, jazz playing cats.
00:04:37
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And Disney canceled it, probably because it was going to end up being good. And they can't have that. I doubt it. How were how are they going to do? They just slap the term live action on anything.
00:04:50
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guess. Because it's just set in the real world, but animated cats. I mean, sure, that's what they did with the Lion King. That's the ah the live action Lion King. Yeah, unfortunately, I'm glad it's canceled. They could have done it like cats.
00:05:06
Speaker
Bro, Cats was so good. I don't think anyone should ever do anything like Cats, the movie. That movie was absolutely insane. That was one of like the last theatrical experiences I had before COVID.
00:05:21
Speaker
I think that movie caused COVID. I think it might have. I just remember like crying laughing at how bad it was. like Have you guys seen it? No.
00:05:31
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Okay. Oh my God. It was like 15 minutes. i got I don't even know how to describe it, but I was like dying of tears in the theater.
00:05:45
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It was so funny. Like actually funny or was it just train wreck funny? Like train wreck. Okay. Just awful. Like the worst thing my eyes have ever seen.
00:05:57
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Worse or better than war of the Worlds? I'm going to have to say worse. Worse in a bad way. Not even worse in a better way. What do you mean?
00:06:07
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So the movie was worse than War the Worlds or the experience was worse than War the Worlds? I don't know. oh what are these words? Okay, War of the Worlds just felt intentionally awful.
00:06:22
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Like no one knew that it was going, like everyone involved and everyone who's seen it knows that it's bad. And they're like, this is bad. Cats has fans. Like, people genuinely enjoy it, but it's not good.
00:06:36
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So... In a negative way. mean, they both come from, like, sources. I mean, I know there's War of the World heads out there. It was a good book. The Tom Cruise one was, you know, people liked that one.
00:06:49
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Liked it. I do like that one. no one shoot No one's shooting for it like they do for, like, Cats the Musical. Like... It's like... i don't know. I won't recommend it, though.
00:07:00
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don't know. They should release the butthole cut, though.
00:07:06
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We don't need to see James Corden's butthole.
00:07:10
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We basically do. Need or want?
00:07:16
Speaker
Absolutely need. Moving on. ah Jackie Chan stunt crew to work on Spider-Man brand new day. Cool. That's really exciting. That's the same crew that worked on Shang-Chi and Shang-Chi had so the both some of the best fight choreography it did and in the MCU.
00:07:35
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ah It's pretty promising. That'll be a exciting. catch I'm interested to see how this one turns out. I feel like it has potential to be like a real Spider-Man movie instead of Spider-Man is wearing a $30 trillion dollar suit and it can shapeshift and all that. like Yeah. I'm just like my boy in spandex, you know?
00:07:58
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I'm scared because the hype for this one is so early and I feel it and it's only going to grow. And I just, I just want to have a good time. I think we will.
00:08:10
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I hope so. I just saw a picture of Tom Holland with blonde hair. Blonde Holland. Blonde Holland, yeah, Tom Blonde.
00:08:21
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What do you think? What I think? hmm. I was speechless. He looks good. Nice. I think I think he's really grown into himself the last few years.
00:08:32
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Yeah. Yeah. I tried his. Me, it's what does when you hit it. Is he in the 30 Club yet? Yeah, I think he is actually.
00:08:45
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He's 29. Close enough. Okay. We're all older than him. You know, Zendaya has my birthday, but two years older. Really? Yeah. She was 96. I was 98. I thought you meant she was 96 years old.
00:09:00
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Yeah. Zendaya is really old. Paramount in talks to buy rights to make Call of Duty movie. Act of Valor 2. That was my first thought.
00:09:12
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Watch it be really good. That'd be sick. like if Okay, so if they're making a Call of a Duty movie, do you think they will adapt one of the stories from an actual Call of Duty game, or do you think it's just going to be their own thing, slap the Call of a Duty sticker on it?
00:09:30
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They're going to do the latter. They should do the former.
Upcoming Movie Releases and Expectations
00:09:33
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what And if you could decide, what game would you want adapted? I would have them adapt the JFK Fidel Castro fighting zombies bit.
00:09:42
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Okay. Okay. So you want to go balls to the wall with it. It'd be so good. It would be so good. It would feed families. It would heal political ties. I don't think they have the guts to do that.
00:09:54
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But someone should. That would be crazy. Take this. ah Take this gun. We we got to kill zo zombies.
00:10:06
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Superman 2 title and release date announced. What is the title? The title is... One second. Man of Tomorrow.
00:10:18
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Man of Tomorrow. And releases July 9th, 2027. Is it Man of Tomorrow, like, two tomorrow? No, but it should have been. Maybe on the poster.
00:10:31
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But that's from the horse's mouth. Yeah, I saw that they were tweeting some comic strips of Lex Luthor and Superman. so are they I don't know anything about this this comic.
00:10:44
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ah Do they team up? Is that when theyre clear what's going on? Could be. wonder if they'll bring in Brainiac. I have no idea. I don't even know who that is. Who is that man? He's a robot. Is he smart?
00:10:55
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Yeah, he's bad. Okay, so he's bad. Do they team up in the comics or in the animated show? Do Lex Luthor and Superman team up to defeat Brainiac? No, but no you should watch the animated show so you don't have to answer ask these questions.
00:11:09
Speaker
you just You can just enjoy Peek. You know what? I'm a curious i'm a curious guy, okay? and And you know the answer, so might as well just ask you. I did finish my rewatch of it like while I was home.
00:11:22
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It's still peak. It's even peaker than I thought actually. Love that for you. The sequels to the Batman and Superman will both release in 2027. ah That's interesting.
00:11:36
Speaker
Way too long for the Batman sequel. I'm happy for James Gunn that he's got the script completed already and a release date because Batman fans have been starving.
00:11:47
Speaker
Well, Batman fans, I think, will probably be eating better. i feel i feel like I trust the script that's been. You know, worked on for this long, then like massaged in and yeah, yeah, I know we everything I've seen about the script from the like the six or seven people who've read it are all like, like, you this is good. Like.
00:12:10
Speaker
I'm excited. I'm so I'd rather wait for a quality movie than. Well, that just happened. I think it'll be good. i think both will be good, but yeah I'm i'm way excited way more excited for one than the other.
00:12:24
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know we covered it like probably a month ago, but do you guys still think they're going to recast Batman? I think so. i think they're going I think they're going to. Although, I feel like someone brought this up and they were saying that like there's no way they're going to allow like two different Batman plots going on.
00:12:47
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Like, because it's just not to happen. Green. You know, the the brand won't let that happen. And so I'm wondering how they're going to handle this supposed trilogy of the Batman while trying to stuff Batman into the new DC universe.
00:13:05
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Is the Pattinson supposed to be a trilogy? Is that confirmed? I believe so. Yeah. Okay. I was to be three of them. Because at first, I guess I was just thinking that the Batman 2 might have been it.
00:13:17
Speaker
And then we would get Batman in the and the new gun verse. I think it's supposed to be a trilogy. Trilogy is new to me or news to me. Am I an idiot?
00:13:30
Speaker
No, you may just have the site. You're informing us. already knew that.
00:13:37
Speaker
um I failed. I know I've talked to you guys about like trying to that I want to get on this train of not watching trailers. So I feel like my first real test was the Bone Temple trailer that just dropped.
00:13:51
Speaker
It came out, I think, yesterday. I saw it as soon as I woke up. I didn't watch it. I just saw that the trailer dropped. I lasted about 12 hours. I've watched it like four times. I have to like I intentionally didn't watch it. I was like, I'm going to avoid it.
00:14:08
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I'm not going to watch it. And then 8 p.m. rolled around and I was like, it's dark outside. OK, wait, before we jump into another peak trilogy, the Batman is intended to start a trilogy and the Batman epic crime saga franchise.
00:14:24
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Her Wikipedia. And Wikipedia would never lie or be wrong. Very true. But to go back, the Bone Temple trailer was everything I wanted to see from it.
00:14:36
Speaker
We got a heavy dose of Ray Fines. We got height moments in Aura. We got a heavy dose of Jimmy. And I'm umm ready. Lots of Jimmy. This hashtag made me laugh so hard.
00:14:49
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I love this trend of making a director's last name into a hashtag and just having like having fun with it. Nia DaCosta's directing this one. And this hashtag was, the cost of living is going up.
00:15:07
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so bad
00:15:13
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it's so good do like that um i'm so excited for this movie same anyone who hated on uh 28 years later part one you can shut up you know i'm welcoming them back give it another shot We welcome you.
00:15:33
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If you go on the YouTube video for the trailer, the comments like half them are like the first one sucked. This one's going to flop. What's the hell? It's like the ending of the first one was so stupid. It's like this one will answer all your questions. Like, what are you complaining about?
00:15:50
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Some people just can't handle the jimmies. No, their jimmies got rustled. All right.
00:15:56
Speaker
I've got a couple more here. You guys have heard of the paper, right? The new Office spinoff? Yeah. The that looks bad. Yeah. This is a quick snippet of Discussing Films review.
00:16:07
Speaker
The paper fails to live up to The Office, making it a spinoff series no one even asked for. Are we shocked and or surprised? I think anyone could have predicted that.
00:16:18
Speaker
Not shocked, but I'm a little bummed. But, you know, not shocked. I don't know if I'll watch it. I don't even know if i want to give it a shot. And I'll read this.
00:16:30
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I'll read this last one to kick us off into the movies. Darren Aronofsky tells us that not enough adult crime thrillers get made anymore. In quotes, there are a lot of movies that used to deal with very real grounded people.
00:16:41
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And then suddenly the world goes upside down. It's not a genre that's out there that much anymore. You guys agree? Not particularly. I think it's kind of reaching. I think he's trying too hard because I think every year there are a lot of movies that actually deal with Joe Average getting thrust into a hairy situation.
00:17:05
Speaker
And we've got a couple of those hairy situations today. kick off our discussion, we're going to be talking about none other than Mr. Martin Scorsese's After Hours. Uh, the synopsis reads desperate to escape his mind numbing routine.
00:17:20
Speaker
Uptown Manhattan office worker, Paul Hackett ventures downtown for a hookup with a mystery woman. And this is starring Griffin Dune, Rosanna Arquette, Verna Bloom, Tommy Chong, Terry guard, John heard, Catherine O'Hara, honestly kind of a stacked cast.
00:17:34
Speaker
Very stacked. I was, I was telling pleasantly surprised. Um, especially with a couple of the characters that, that we'll talk about later. Um, But what was your guys' first impression watching this? Alex, had you seen this before? or Was this your first time seeing this? This was my second time seeing this one. I had seen this probably four years ago. I think it was during COVID, actually, was when I watched it for the first time.
00:17:57
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And I liked it. I liked it then. And spoiler alert, I still like it. I didn't know it was a black comedy until about an hour in. Black.
00:18:08
Speaker
Whoa, Tosche. Sorry. Why'd you have to go there? I think I've never heard the term black comedy. No, I saw the term somewhere and I guess it just stuck in my brain.
00:18:23
Speaker
Oh, it's it's in the description on Apple TV. Oh, as black comedy? This critically acclaimed black comedy. Yeah. Huh? Yeah. Typically when I see the words black comedy, it's usually a comedy, like a Tyler Perry movie. Tyler Perry, Madea after hours.
00:18:42
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Um, but yeah, it, it took me a while to understand kind of the, the feel of the movie, but no, was fun. Yeah, i was surprised to see. So when I, I watched it on on Apple as well. I think I just saw comedy. I didn't think that's what it was going to be.
00:18:58
Speaker
The reason that we wanted to talk about this movie today is because Austin Butler did a Letterboxd Top 4 on a red carpet.
After Hours: Film Analysis and Reviews
00:19:05
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And he cited After Hours as one of the inspirations for his new movie, Caught Stealing.
00:19:12
Speaker
After watching After Hours, I definitely see i see the resemblance. I see why. me too. Yeah. But I honestly really enjoyed After Hours. Like um maybe a bit more than I originally thought.
00:19:25
Speaker
We're going to see what everybody else thinks of this with our letterbox love, like, and loathe where we read a five-star, a three-star, and a one-star review. Tachi, I think you're taking us first with the five-star review of After Hours.
00:19:40
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This from Coley. Five stars. All-timer. Only Scorsese is galaxy-brained enough to understand that the tenth circle of hell must logically include both the mom and the dad from Home Alone.
00:19:56
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Pretty accurate. I like that review. For our three-star, we got um one by Marion64.
00:20:05
Speaker
This is what you get for being even remotely horny and going out late. Don't have much to say about this one. Part chaotic realism, not having enough money to take the subway slash being caught trying to take the last train without a ticket slash it starts to rain a lot.
00:20:21
Speaker
Felt that. Part chaotic movie chaos. Basically the rest of it. Was intrigued at first, but it quickly failed to really engage me despite it being well made.
00:20:33
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Also, all the female characters fall into the kind of crazy category, which is really meh. Hmm. couple fair points there.
00:20:43
Speaker
I'd agree. Here's a one-star review by Miguel GZZ01. This one's a little bit long. I wanted to read this one because this doesn't sound like it should be a one star, but I don't know.
00:20:55
Speaker
You guys let me know what you think. Comedy. This wasn't a comedy. It was a full on nightmare. All caps. Not because it's bad. It's actually not. But because it stressed me out. I felt less than settled watching David Lynch movies.
00:21:08
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I honestly can't tell if I loved it or hated it, but I think I hated it with all my soul. But I can't deny that it's brilliantly made. One star. that's i think that's fair i because i have also felt the same way about a movie where i can appreciate the production level yeah but just really not enjoying the experience at all whatsoever and i hate to use this as an example but like crimes of the future which i hate with
00:21:42
Speaker
every atom in me it's not like objectively made poorly yeah but i hate it so half a star okay that's fair yeah think that's fair i feel like i usually throw like a six or a seven to one where it's like i couldn't stand this but it was really well made you know the minecraft movie peak peak the first thing i wanted to say that I hit on a little bit earlier is the cast here.
00:22:14
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One thing that I did not realize, and I don't know if I'm just dumb. I didn't realize the Arquettes were such a vast family. Yeah. So Rosanna Arquette, Patricia Arquette's sister, Patricia Arquette, the most recent thing she's done is severance, Ms. Cobell.
00:22:32
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And then I was like, Arquette, what are the siblings do they have? David Arquette.
00:22:37
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From the screen franchise. Yeah. Then for a while, then for a while we had Courtney Cox Arquette. Oh my God. You're right. Yeah. Yeah. I was like, she was, I mean, that she changed her name and everything. She was listed that in friends for a while. it was Courtney Cox Arquette.
00:22:54
Speaker
That's right. Wow. The Arquettes run deep. Just like the Coppolas. Yeah, are they the Scarsguards of the 90s? tonight was i Who else was in this that was surprising? Yeah, the Home Alone parents.
00:23:09
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Cheech and Chong. Cheech and Chong. that was That was a big surprise. Griffin Dune. Have you guys seen him in anything else? No. Ironically, yes. Wait a second.
00:23:20
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Go ahead. Caught Stealing. He was in Caught Stealing. Who was he? Wait, what? This just popped up. He was the bar owner.
00:23:31
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Oh, my God. Interesting. He was in um he was also an American werewolf in London. That's like the only thing I can really picture him in is he was in that movie. And then like looking at like his page on Letterboxd, it says he was in French Dispatch, Dallas Buyers Club. I don't really remember him in either of those. like technically I've seen him in them. I'm not going to count that. But like American werewolf in London, absolutely like I remember him in that role.
00:23:59
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If you guys haven't seen it, I thought that was a pretty good movie. so It's a pretty solid old horror movie that deserves a watch. ah okay I'll plug it there. ah Dune heads rise up.
00:24:13
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um Another thing I wanted to shout out. This movie just felt like Like I was saying, I see a lot of the similarities um from caught stealing. This felt like a really fun time, even though it is very chaotic.
00:24:26
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Like from the I haven't seen a ah i haven't seen all of Scorsese's movies, but this just felt like a like a nice little break. It just felt like they had a fun time. And I have very similar things to say with caught stealing. But I mean, how did you guys feel like overall while watching it?
00:24:42
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I do think it's a big tonal shift from like Scorsese's usual shtick. I mean, even from like the beginning, like his earlier movies, like Mean Streets, you know, it had like that rough edge to it. And this didn't really have that.
00:24:56
Speaker
You know, Scorsese is obviously known for like Wolf of Wall Street, Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, you know, crime movies, you know, something, but you know, most recently Killers the Flower Moon, Irishman, Departed, Casino, you know, it's all like, you know, mobs and organized crime of some capacity. But he has a few gems within his filmography.
00:25:22
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And this is one of them where it seems like a complete, uh, you know, turn away from his usual sort of shtick. It's a familiar, a familiar setting for him, but the tone is very like, like what is going on here? I mean, someone put it like, someone I, someone, think of Malik, it was yours that mentioned ah David Lynch.
00:25:46
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I don't really see David Lynch, but I almost feel like it's almost like one of those old like Alfred Hitchcock movies, Billy Wilder. Yeah. You know, one of those directors where it's like kind of a thriller, but like not really.
00:26:01
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You just kind of really have no idea where it's going until it ends. um Like a similar vein to that. And, you know, Scorsese's familiar setting, which I always appreciate when a director kind of goes outside of the their wheelhouse. And he did this fairly early into his career.
00:26:18
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Yeah, and this i'll I'll read this little trivia fact. We've got some more trivia facts for this movie later on, but you hit on ah on a good point that made me want to read it right now um about Alfred Hitchcock. But this IMDb trivia says, Scorsese designed the film as a parody of Alfred Hitchcock's style.
00:26:34
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The elaborate camera movements echo sequences in Marnie, while Howard Shore's score emulates the style of one of Hitchcock's most frequent collaborators, Bernard Herrmann. So the style that we're getting from Hitchcock, very intentional.
00:26:49
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It's kind of funny because Scorsese used berard her Bernard Herman for Taxi Driver. Wow. Yeah. I was very shocked to see Howard Shore as the composer here.
00:26:59
Speaker
Why didn't he just get old Bernie to do this one if he wanted to make fun of him so much?
00:27:06
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don't really see it as a parody, though. I almost see it as like an homage. Yeah. Yeah, I think the wording could have been used a little bit different. I wouldn't use parody. Tachi, you were saying that you didn't and expect this to...
00:27:18
Speaker
be in the category of ah of a dark comedy, what was your like, like how were you feeling like halfway through? Was it kind of starting to to click, like what was going on? Or like what were your your general thoughts like in the first 30, 45 minutes of this?
00:27:34
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Honestly, i kind of felt the same way throughout the entirety of the movie, up until like the last 30 seconds. I felt like at any point in the movie, some horrible, horrible thing is going to happen to this man.
00:27:52
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I mean, there were horrible things that kept happening to him. But I guess like what Alex was mentioning earlier, it was just missing like that kind of classic, I guess like darkness that at least I think of when I think of Scorsese movies.
00:28:10
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um Like just some of those older, darker, more gritty, violent movies this was missing some of that so i just kept waiting for that violent turn there was violence of course um but i don't know i just kept waiting for the shoe to drop and it just never really did but even despite that it was a really was a really fun watch and and it was fun to see i guess all the events unfold do you think part of your feelings there
00:28:42
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comes from just watching caught stealing because while there are similarities in structure of story yeah of like one person's bad week, I think they are handled very differently.
00:28:56
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And I think what you were looking for ends up happening in caught stealing. do you think that's kind of where you thought it might've been going and then kind of just waiting with bated breath at that? Yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense.
00:29:08
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um Yeah. I really enjoyed this one. I thought it was really funny. These were like great performances overall. This movie is just like was shot so well. It was like, yeah, like I don't want to use the word parody for like Hitchcock style like this, this trivia, like the IMDb trivia said.
00:29:26
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But I mean, anytime I watch anything just pre 2000s, I feel like the camera work is just so intentional. And like the lighting is gorgeous and just conversations between two characters.
00:29:42
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or shot so like dynamically instead of so like stiff and rigid ah so good it felt a little seamless almost like a one shot but yeah it it wasn't at all and very smooth yeah it was really nice yeah agree it just i mean you can tell that there was a go at work that
00:30:07
Speaker
Caution goats working. Yeah. I mean, Scorsese, it's I feel like he's, he almost kind of taken for granted at this point, but you can see why he was popping.
00:30:18
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Yeah. This one. Yeah. This has the same cinematographer. It's not the first time he worked with Scorsese, but same cinematographer as the last temptation of Christ. Dracula. I believe but i wonder this one came right after last temptation. Yeah.
00:30:36
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Or no, it was before ah King of Comedy was right before this one, but it was pretty close to when he made Last Temptation of Christ. There was another.
00:30:47
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That's a crazy movie if you've never seen it. I haven't. That's the Willem Dafoe one. Yeah, it's it's wild. There was another IMDb trivia that had to do with something with The Last Semptation of Christ. I think it's this one right here.
00:30:59
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In interviews, Martin Scorsese has spoken fondly of this film because he was able to shoot it quickly and it got him out of the malay... What is that word? Malaise? Malaise? Yeah, like a rut.
00:31:12
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Okay. question And it got him out of the malaise he was in when he had problems trying to get The Last Temptation of Christ made. Scorsese said the difficulties he had on that project also made him relate to the troubles of the main character, Paul Hackett, in this movie.
00:31:26
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Last Temptation was, that's a very interesting backstory behind it, too. It's very controversial movie. A lot of people think it's, like, heretical.
00:31:39
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i'm thinking I'm thinking double feature of that one and that that one trailer i sent you guys the other day with Nicolas Cage. I wouldn't go... mean, we could do that. i was just saying... It's not like a horror movie or anything. It's like... It's just... mean, it's about like the last temptation to Christ, and it shows...
00:31:59
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Jesus doing some not very Christ like things. It's a very interesting concept though. Um, I always find it funny that Scorsese got a lot of hate for it considering he's like a fairly devout Catholic.
00:32:12
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I'm not mistaken. What else here? Did you guys like, did anything not work for you guys for this movie? I liked how subtle, like I think a lot of the dialogue was a lot of the jokes were not very you out in the open. i think there's a couple that he says in the bar to the bartender right around the time that the bartender gets the call about his girlfriend.
00:32:33
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And there's like a few things that he says that are just like. It's like, oh, like, I see what you're doing there. There's a lot of those. um And I was reading about this one earlier today about like.
00:32:48
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some of the themes in it and how, you know, it relates to, ah you know, like, like emasculation. And I thought that like, I didn't quite pick up on that. Like my first time through, or I guess, and I, both times through, um but like looking back, it's like, Oh wow. Like, yeah, I do see that. And I think a lot of the dialogue and a lot of like the things happening on like the side um relate to it as well. So I love the subtlety of this movie for,
00:33:20
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ah variety of reasons i think it adds a lot of layers to it that um make it very rewatchable i don't think i got any like of the direct themes about uh emasculinity was there anything that kind of stuck out in whatever you were reading that kind of pinpointed to that um it was basically like how like each of the women kind of not like ruins his night. Cause that makes it seem like, oh like women are to blame, but it's like, they take him off like the high horse he rode into Soho on.
00:33:57
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So, you know, Marcy kind of turns him down despite him thinking like, Oh, I'm here for like a nice hookup. Um, you know, he gets the, the mob turned on him by you know two women um the girl with the poster that he you know turns down and then um yeah there were like a couple other things where it's like stuff on the side like the the shark like the the shark biting the guy's groin graffiti yeah um that was like one that was on the side but it's mostly just how like
00:34:32
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everything in the movie basically happens because he's knocked off his like, you know, high horse. His expectations are crushed by one of the female characters. I can see that.
00:34:43
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I haven't had too much time to digest it. I know me and Malik just finished watching it basically right before recording this, but, um i don't know how i feel about like every character interaction that he had it felt like everyone was almost too cartoonish with how they behaved like none of them were just normal people normal people and i'm sure that was by design but i thought the bartender was pretty normal all things considered
00:35:15
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Yeah, he was like the most yeah level-headed out of all of them. The circumstance that he was in makes it a bit ridiculous. but So on the surface, he seems like the most normal person, and then gets the phone call and is screaming out Marcy's name in horror, and we're like, fuck.
00:35:32
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That was my initial, I was like, right when we got like a a good guy. right the The scene of him, though, beating up the cash register to try to get it open had me dying.
00:35:45
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That was pretty funny. I felt like like i I could see that in a Tim Robinson sketch or something. He's like, yeah, man, I'll give you a dollar in just 30 seconds straight God! the other I was going say, one one other character that I actually really did appreciate the interaction, probably my favorite moment of the movie,
00:36:05
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was when he was down in the subway talking to the subway attendant yeah and trying to get discounted or free ticket. And it goes like, couldn't you just give me one token, please?
00:36:18
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And the the attendant says, I can't do that. I may lose my job. Paul looks around and sees no one else in the subway station. Paul says, well, who would know exactly? And the attendant says, I can go to a party, get drunk, talk to someone who knows. like I don't know.
00:36:36
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I thought that was brilliant. There were I that was one of my favorite lines, too. There's a lot of really good just side characters and side conversations. i I think my favorite my favorite side combo is the with the bouncer at Club Berlin.
00:36:51
Speaker
We're just trying to get in without the Mohawk. Why did he get to go to Mohawk night? Mohawk Knight is crazy. how much How much money do you have? I got this amount.
00:37:03
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Here, give me it. Well, now you can now yeah you can't say you didn't try everything.
00:37:11
Speaker
So he had 97 cents, but he let him keep the quarter. In 1985, what does that translate to today? Like that couldn't have been much of a bribe.
00:37:22
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was it, 1987? Three three bucks Yeah. seven Money to today. We're learning about inflation today. I'm lost in the frame. Right.
00:37:33
Speaker
So it's 97 minus 25. That's 72. I so. 72 cents today. I'm say 284. Um. 205. That's crazy. You gave him a $2 bribe. I probably would have taken it. today
00:37:43
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um say two eighty four um two ah five that's gave a two scholar bri ah bob prior take you I'd love to go to a club where I get absolutely manhandled and then forced to shave into a mohawk.
00:38:03
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that That kind of made me think like, you know, we're going downtown in Austin right now. Like every bar is almost exactly the same. They're all playing like the same songs. It's the same crowd.
00:38:14
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Like, why can't there be a place where I go in I get the snot beaten out of me while like the Sex Pistols play? I think that's just New York. Could be.
00:38:25
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But like, why didn't does ah why doesn't that exist everywhere? i don't I don't know if that still exists in Manhattan now. you know I think if you looked hard enough. I feel like we've lost something culturally where a place like that was so readily available.
00:38:41
Speaker
Barb's is is close. Barb's is kind of close. I feel like Barb's was close. And then we're approaching like you're approaching that with Barb's. Barb's is about as good i think we're going to get in Austin. At least when I go to the bathroom at Barb's, I feel good.
00:38:58
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Because they're going to say in danger.
00:39:02
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It's just like that classic graffiti on the wall. Bad toilet. Lost in the frame meetup at Barb's way. Emo night. Emo night meetup. 80s night goes crazy, though.
00:39:15
Speaker
I've never been to 80s night. I went to a I've been to 80s night and then 2000s night and both of them were wild for like the fought the song choices were just. I've never felt better.
00:39:27
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Yeah, I think I've been to the 2000s night before. I lost an Apple watch once at emo night. just It just left. I was in the middle of the of the pit, sweating. Oh my God.
00:39:39
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So hot. I could not do it. My Apple Watch was just gone. i looked up and I was like, hmm. We need to go. we need to go look for it. and maybe have This was like four years ago. And maybe have 13 to 14 drinks.
00:39:54
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um Anything else that you guys want to shout out for after hours? Did you think he was going to survive the night? I thought, yeah, I felt like he he would survive.
00:40:04
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Actually, there was a point. will yeah, at the very end, when he gets paper machete. Yeah. Like, I was like, okay, I was trying to think. I was like, was there any conversation of, like, a murderer or something like that? But it was just a burglar.
00:40:17
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But I was like, oh, he might be cooked here. There was a lot going on. There was, like, a person that would burn people. There was a burglar. There was someone with scars from head to toe.
00:40:30
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There were a lot of like references to dangerous sounding people that I don't know. maybe Maybe that's why I was in my head like he was going to just come face to face with this brutal person.
00:40:46
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maybe Maybe it's kind of looking like Maybe not necessarily our parents. or maybe we'll We'll use like fictional parents growing up. They're like, be careful outside. like Outside is scary.
00:40:57
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is all this The big bad wolf is out there. Then you go out there and it's like, oh, it's not that bad. Maybe that's kind of what this movie is. You rounded the corner and there's the creature.
00:41:09
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Turn around quick. za yeah I, I like thinking back to the first time I watched it. I don't think I knew whether I don't think I had like any sort of feeling one way or other about how it was going to end for Paul.
00:41:24
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I was just along for the ride. I wanted him to get home so bad. i felt, I felt tired for him for like opening 10 minutes. It's 11, it's 1132. And he looks at the clock and she said, come over.
00:41:36
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I was like, I'm in bed. He's like, okay, can I get you another cup of coffee at 11 at night? it's like You need it at that point. He was he was out from dusk till dawn.
00:41:49
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Imagine going to work the next day. And then he showed up to work the next day, all plastered up. That's what happens when you stop giving value to the shareholders and you try and be something else.
00:42:01
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This is pro-capitalist movie. Don't go outside. Stay at your computer. That's my nightmare. Both outcomes. Yeah. um I'm ready to give a ah final rating.
00:42:14
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I think you guys are. I'm feeling, honestly, I'll be i'll be honest. I'm kind of in between a 4 and a 4.5.
00:42:21
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I enjoyed myself a little too much. I'm going to give it a 4.5. This was cool. Wow. Yeah, this was this is just a really good time. we were saying, gorgeously shot movie. Really funny.
00:42:32
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Great cast. Go Scorsese. I'm in the the solid 8 out of 10, 4 out of 5 crowd. I think I'll echo that. I think I'm right.
00:42:43
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I'm comfortably a 4. 4, 8, 12, 13, wait. 12.5. or eight twelve thirteen wait twelve point five Together. Anyway, caught stealing. We'll be able to talk about a lot of the similarities between caught stealing and after hours. I'm still show so shocked that our main guy in after hours was the the bar owner and caught stealing. Yeah, that's awesome.
00:43:05
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That is so fun. had to have been done
Caught Stealing: A Deep Dive
00:43:08
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intentionally. I got to watch. Yeah, I got to watch some some videos after this, but... Caught Stealing is the newest Darren Aronofsky movie out in theaters right now, starring Austin Butler, Zoe Kravitz, Regina King, and Matt Smith.
00:43:21
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And the synopsis reads, Burned out ex-baseball player Hank Thompson unexpectedly finds himself embroiled in a dangerous struggle for survival amidst the criminal underbelly of 1990s New York City, forced to navigate a treacherous underworld he never imagined.
00:43:36
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And navigating, does. does Initial thoughts and feelings walking out of this movie. um Alex, we'll go to you first. I want a cat. Me too. Is this your I'm him movie?
00:43:49
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I wouldn't quite put this in literally me category, but like, I feel like it could approach it a little bit for some people, but not for me. Tachi, how about you?
00:44:01
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It fun. It seems like a really fun way to practice a series of consequences of your own actions type of like a script or story.
00:44:14
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So was fun. had a good time. How do you guys feel about Darren Aronofsky as a director? I ask because i think on the first trailer for this,
00:44:29
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I got a lot of the same vibe. Like it seemed like a high energy, like high thrilling kind of ride. And I was like, this feels different from, from Aronofsky's other works. And then taking a look at his filmography and then walking out of cut stealing.
00:44:41
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I'm just, i I don't think I've ever realized like how versatile this guy could really be. um I'll list off a few of his most notable ones. Black Swan, Requiem for a Dream, the live action Noah from the Bible.
00:44:56
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Mother and the whale. And now caught stealing. All very different movies. Very different vibes. um Alex, how do you feel about Aronofsky? Do you like him?
00:45:07
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I like him. He's not like my favorite, but I like him. i've I haven't walked out of a movie of his thinking, ah, that was a mess.
00:45:19
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And I feel like I see a lot of people kind of ah like wishy-washy with Aronofsky. I think people, i mean, so ah the one thing I will say is this.
00:45:30
Speaker
I do need to watch Black Swan. I haven't seen Black Swan. That's been on my list for forever. But Requiem for a Dream as like your first big movie is kind of a hard thing to top.
00:45:45
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And I think a lot of people don't like that he hasn't like really gone be like it into that kind of movie with the exception of like black Swan.
00:45:56
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um I know mother was really controversial. I haven't seen that either. um I do want to watch the wrestler with Mickey Rourke and then like the whale. Like I liked it, but I know recently it seems like a lot of people did not like it.
00:46:11
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And so I don't know if it's just Aronofsky is easy to hate for some reason. mean, he is making an un and Elon Musk biopic. So, um yeah, I don't. Is anyone attached to that?
00:46:24
Speaker
No, just Aronofsky and Walter e Isaacson as the writer. But i don't know, it's I feel like he does a lot of things like I feel like he doesn't really have like a type of movie that he does. And I feel like that pisses people off because they want him as like going to pigeonhole him.
00:46:41
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Yeah, like they want, like ah here's my Aronofsky zinger that'll disturb me. His movie about the creature. but i But I think that's like, I think I really like that about him, though, that he's that he's not pigeonholed and he's not put in a box.
00:46:58
Speaker
I do, too. hi Are you familiar with Aronofsky's work? I'm not. This is actually my first movie with him. or from You hadn't seen The Whale? Mm-mm. So I think I've talked about this on the podcast before, but Mother was the movie that I have talked about. This mother was the movie that got me banned from picking movies and so with my family.
00:47:18
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um Yeah, I was just looking at his filmography and I'm just like, this guy is I mean, they're not all like hits to me. Like I remember watching Noah and was just like, I remember seeing the trailer for that. was like, well, where are we? What are we doing?
00:47:31
Speaker
It was like Zack Snyder meets meets the Bible. um But Mother, I obviously really liked. I enjoyed The Whale. um I also have been seeing people kind of turn back around on The Whale recently for for some reason.
00:47:45
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Wrecking for a Dreaming Black Swan. So yeah, like walking out of Cots Stealing, i was just like, that was just a really fun time. And in a lot of ways, it caught me by surprise. I don't think, first of all, I don't think I expected it to be as violent as it was.
00:48:02
Speaker
like surprisingly, surprisingly brutal with, with some of these scenes. That being said, Requiem pretty, It's pretty brutal movie. I don't remember Requiem. I remember watching it in like middle school and I feel like those were like, that's like Requiem is like in that bundle of movies when you're younger. It's like, Oh fuck. Your mind is just fucked.
00:48:23
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It's like, like twisted and tortured mind. Yeah. stitchs through wereum for tree Just a glimpse into my twisted sick mind. lincoln park starts playing um before we get too deep into caught for caught for stealing caught stealing we've got our letterbox reviews back to tachi for our five star this is uh from ben of the week five stars really good seat belt ad
00:48:56
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you're not wrong wrong at all For our three stars, we got not risky enough to feel dangerous, not clever enough to be funny. 10% more talking to cat moments would have put it on Argyle levels.
00:49:10
Speaker
Enjoyable, occasionally gripping, but locked behind a save the cat screenplay that doesn't ever trust the audience. That was from Jake. um Not to cut you off, Malik, but I don't think making this movie more like Argyle would have made it better.
00:49:31
Speaker
I'm going to put that out there and you guys can stew on it. Is there like a save the cat plot in Argyle? I'm going to be honest. don't remember.
00:49:42
Speaker
I think there was. There was definitely a cat that... Was there. What does this person have against saving cats? I don't know. I'm looking at their letterbox right now to see if I can find their review for 35,000 followers.
00:49:58
Speaker
Holy shit. What is top four? It. The baby. Brain and syndrome. Those are just words.
00:50:09
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say He just made those up. Yeah. He's like, this will make me sound smart. This guy has a couple of viral reviews that unfortunately I do remember seeing. um He has a Minecraft movie one that made me laugh.
00:50:24
Speaker
But I got to see it to see. Did he give Argyle a good score? Like, I want to know if this was like, if that was like meant as a good thing or a bad thing. Gave Megalopolis four out of five.
00:50:37
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Based. Yeah, unfortunately, it is based. Unfortunately. Argyle is one and a half stars. So no, so it was not a compliment at Argyle. um Yeah. Don't, don't make any movie more like Argyle.
00:50:52
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All right. Here's our one star from Billy Hessler. Unimaginably bad movie. I feel awful for all the actors who are made to try to work such a poor script. Aronofsky fraud watch edit decided to bump a half a star just for action. Bronson playing a character named Amtrak.
00:51:10
Speaker
So in their heart, this is a.5. But because of Amtrak, they bumped it up half a star. I wish... going be honest. I wish I could go into a movie like this and just like generally generationally hate it Why? i just like, I think it'd be much more interesting for our listeners. If it's like, we came into one of these like new movie reviews and it's just like, I liked it. I liked And one of us just like, that's complete garbage.
00:51:37
Speaker
Yeah, we haven't, we haven't been there yet. I feel like we were on the other side, like with sinners and weapons. Like if anyone was saying, they probably loved that movie and we were lukewarm on it. Like we're still like positive, but I've seen people get destroyed for waitlist.
00:51:53
Speaker
Yeah. We were on the other side. We were on the other side for weapons, I think. But we haven't like downright i don't think hated on anything that didn't really deserve it yet. yet That's because of our pickings.
00:52:07
Speaker
we're not We're not out there getting the things that we know. like you but You can see the two stars from a mile away. Yeah, true. Unless you're talking about like one of us one day having the opinion, like the controversial opinion was like, oh, me and Tachi thought this was five star. That's what I'm saying. Like like one of us has been really thrown like an obscene curveball in either direction. We got we got time.
00:52:29
Speaker
I think one of these days one of us is just going to like intentionally try to hate the movie. We have like, yeah, we have the rest of our lives. you sha Me shaking my head at the screen to show that I don't agree with what the director is saying.
00:52:44
Speaker
I think I just have a low bar.
00:52:49
Speaker
Yeah, want to find the movies that you hate that aren't... Cronenberg. Cronenberg. Few and far between at this point. What else boils your blood?
00:52:59
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um All right, yeah, back to the movie. Stand-up performances for you guys. I'll start off. Austin Butler. Yep. He's a Geez Louise. I mean, he's... he's Nailed it.
00:53:10
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He's a character actor. Yeah, great great character actor. This one didn't really require him to do much of anything, though. I will say that, but I thought he was very good it. He had a couple of really good standout scenes. Oh, go ahead, Tachi.
00:53:22
Speaker
I disagree. i think I think he gave the perfect amount that this character needed. Well, I mean, I'm not saying it wasn't hard to do. What I'm saying is it's like we've seen him do like characters like Elvis and Fade Roth, where it's like he's doing a lot. And this one, it's like I don't think he had to do that much for it.
00:53:41
Speaker
That's fair. But he was still very compelling in what he had to do. Let me amend my statement.
00:53:49
Speaker
On that note, so I don't agree with what Aronofsky was saying earlier um on that piece of movie news, saying that we need more adult crime thrillers, because I think they're out there. But like this one feels a little bit bigger.
00:54:02
Speaker
And like I kind of get what you're saying, Alex, as far as like the other characters play like ah from Dune and Elvis. This feels a lot more toned down. But this type of movie...
00:54:13
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i ah I kind of do agree with Aronofsky. I feel like we don't have a lot of these types of movies, especially like at this scale. like i wouldn't i like I'm surprised that this is... like In this day and age, like this kind of almost feels like it could have been ah streaming movie.
00:54:30
Speaker
But it's not. And it's gotten great performances. You know what do you know what umm what I'm trying to say? Well, anything could be a streaming movie. But like like Dune wouldn't be a straight-to-streaming movie. Like this kind of feels like it could have been like a.
00:54:48
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Got him.
00:54:50
Speaker
All right. I guess it could have been. The first one basically was for all intents and purposes. Oh yeah. That's kind of true. That's kind of true. um Other standout performances for you guys.
00:55:02
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I liked Liev Schreiber and Vincent. ah Dion. Don't know for you. There you go. What's his name? those two as What's his name in X-Men?
00:55:15
Speaker
Who is he? don't remember. Sabretooth? Sabretooth, yeah. Sabretooth and Kingpin. I liked um ah like Matt Smith, but it's hard not to like Matt Smith. I think generally he like always crushes.
00:55:26
Speaker
He was when I bowed out of Doctor Who. Because everything else got way worse. He was fine. How'd you guys feel about Bad Bunny? He was just there.
00:55:38
Speaker
He was there, but I liked seeing him, so it's okay. I like seeing him too. And I honestly, I thought he did a pretty good job. I'm going to say something brave.
00:55:51
Speaker
Because it relates to Charlie XCX popping up in movies now. I'm tired of putting musicians in movies because they're famous.
00:56:03
Speaker
Like, I like why did Bad Bunny need to be in this movie? Why does Charlie XCX need to be in the Lion, the Witch, and the Wardrobe? That one I am pissed about. Like, why? And she's in something else, too. It's like, I actually like Charlie XCX. I think she makes some good music.
00:56:19
Speaker
I enjoy a lot of her songs. she looks She looks like she puts on, like, you a decently fun performance. so It's like, I'm not here hating her. Like, I respect her as an artist. But, like, don't I don't want her as, like, in in a movie. Like, just, oh, well it's also starring Charlie XCX. And then she comes on screen and it's she's Charlie XCX, like I'm in the line to witch in the wardrobe.
00:56:45
Speaker
I will say so just like Bad Bunny is in this movie. So I'm just talking about that as a whole that I thought is pretty good. But like leaving the theater, I was trying to think I'm like, what is Aronofsky's like thought process and being like, all right, Bad Bunny.
00:57:00
Speaker
for this role. Is that his decision or do you think that comes down from like the studio to try to, I think it's a studio thing to put butts in seats, but I don't like It's a trend that has started.
00:57:12
Speaker
um don't even think that recently. And it's, I just don't, I feel like a lot of day, like a lot of cameos now from like fantasy it was just like, Oh, like here they are. Like it's our real life club. Shadows.
00:57:24
Speaker
Yes. How do you, how do you club shitto without a franchise? Yeah, that's exactly it. Like, I'm thinking of. um You know, we talked a couple weeks ago because the criterion released for it for House Party when they remade House Party.
00:57:40
Speaker
If you look at the cast list, it's just full of celebrities. And it's like, was that the Jack Harlow one? Maybe. the Jack Carly one was White Man Can't Jump. I remember what you're talking about with the remake of House Party and it just being a bunch of celebrities.
00:57:55
Speaker
And it's like, it was like the House Party they threw the House Party at was like LeBron's house and then like it's like a Avengers of... Of pop culture. Yeah. ah Kid Cudi's in it.
00:58:07
Speaker
I feel like i've seen Kid Cudi in a couple things and he was actually like not that bad. I bought his character in was it Trap? the M. Night Shyamalan where he's like flirting with what's his name with Cooper he blows him a kiss it's like whoa good cutty wow but yeah I just I didn't want Bad Bunny in this movie and when I saw him I'm like oh they're great there's Bad Bunny and he did really nothing like he does in the grand scheme of the movie he didn't really do anything
00:58:42
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Yeah, I do see where you would have a problem with it. um I guess I don't because it's not like he makes the scene worse. He's not a bad actor.
00:58:53
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He just doesn't particularly elevate the scene that he's in. Yeah. He definitely didn't ruin it or like break the immersion or anything. But it was just like, oh.
00:59:06
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For sure. Like, okay. Yeah, I'm glad I'm glad that nothing was broken with the inclusion of Bad Bunny. So I'm on your side with that Tachi. But then like looking at like future like any like future projects.
00:59:16
Speaker
I agree with you, Alex. It's like why? Are why is Charlie XCX here? Like maybe give a shot to some young aspiring actor. Yeah, they're not all Lady Gaga. Like Lady Gaga was classically trained. She's ah You know, multi talented artist.
00:59:34
Speaker
Yeah. And Joker 2 was a masterpiece. Bad Bunny is not Lady Gaga. If you squint and kind of tilt your head a little bit, kind of it's kind of there.
00:59:45
Speaker
Really? Just a little bit, yeah. Okay. She's like, Gaga? I'll take your word for it. Did anything not work for you guys? there's only I don't think it went far enough.
00:59:59
Speaker
I feel like it was... don't know. I wanted it to go farther... i wanted it to like go farther Then it kind of did, which is weird because I think it actually went pretty far.
01:00:12
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um i just I feel like it just didn't resonate with you. The emotional stakes of it, like. I just wasn't super sucked into him. Even though like I feel like I should have been.
01:00:23
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And also I wanted more Zoe Kravitz. I was super sucked into him. Wow. Say that much. I kind of see what you mean. I can't really articulate what, what it was missing, but there was just like some secret ingredients, some secret sauce that I think could have taken it to the next level.
01:00:46
Speaker
But right now I can't figure it out. I'm trying to work it out in real time. Like this is therapy or something. um I feel like it,
01:00:58
Speaker
Wasn't really anything more than it was and not in a good way like Snack Shack. Like it was just kind of there. The movie was just on the screen playing. There it was and it was the script and they filmed it and we liked it and enjoyed it.
01:01:17
Speaker
Like I enjoyed the movie. I'm not saying like this was a bad movie. I don't like the movie, but I enjoyed it. I had a good time with it. There's a lot of stuff that I really did. like I thought the action sequence at the end was great.
01:01:30
Speaker
I had a blast with that one, but it really didn't feel like the movie was anything more than what it was, what it was billed as. Whereas like if we're comparing it to after hours, I think after hours was,
01:01:46
Speaker
After Hours had that layer to it that, you know, the really subtle humor that I talked about. um You know, it it was made very well, had a very good score, you know.
01:01:59
Speaker
And I don't think. Caught Stealing was made as well. I don't think any shots like really stood out to me. um mean, like the best thing about this movie is how well trained that flippin cat was. Yeah.
01:02:12
Speaker
And I don't mean that it's like, oh, nothing was good about it. I think the best thing about the movie was that the cat was really well trained. So when comparing it to after hours, I do think you bring up um some good points there.
01:02:26
Speaker
But for comparing it to like to after hours and feeling like it was kind of just missing like that little bit of a that little bit of sauce. i don't I don't know. like it they like They are very similar, like i was saying earlier, in their structure.
01:02:43
Speaker
Do you think the way After Hours kind of leans into more of the comedic undertones versus caught stealing, being a bit more grounded in realism, which is causing us as the audience to like need to be on board and need to kind of look at things with a realistic eye? Do you think that...
01:03:00
Speaker
might have been the issue there like instead of something ridiculous and having these cartoonish characters like it feels like i don't know like if caught seeing like could actually like happen to somebody do you think maybe that's where some of the issues lie i think so because like paul doesn't handle what happens in after hours like particularly well He's kind of just frantic and losing it instead of just like, all right, it sucks, buddy. Like, go home. Like, like this, this blows, you know, I actually think.
01:03:35
Speaker
That Austin Butler's character handles everything a little too well, like he has his holdups and hangups and mental blocks, but it's like you're watching the movie. It's just like if I was in this situation,
01:03:48
Speaker
Things would be way crazier because I would have lost it by now, you know? um and and And I'm him, so that's really saying something. There it is.
01:04:00
Speaker
Yeah, not to cinema sense of this, but there were a couple of like situations where I'm like all right, i don't know about you, but I'm built different. I would handled that a lot differently. thousand There would have been way more crying.
01:04:12
Speaker
Yeah. I've always wanted to have a moment like he did towards the end. There's a hand hand combat scene and he's just like, oh, wow, like that went surprisingly well.
01:04:24
Speaker
I've always wanted to have that moment, but I think if it didn't go that well, it probably would have been a lot better for the movie. Having been in a hand to hand combat moment. It didn't go that way. It really did not go well.
01:04:40
Speaker
or For a spoiler talk, are you talking about the guy, the bald guy? Yeah, microbe. but The quick one-two punch? Yeah. probe Yeah, for a second, I was just like, whoa. All right. Got his ass.
01:04:51
Speaker
yeah That first time he beat him up, though, in the hallway... Brutal. That was a really brutal beating. oh my god. Ruthless. yeah could feel I could feel it through the screen. It felt awful.
01:05:03
Speaker
Standout scenes for you guys. I will say, i really enjoyed I also really enjoyed this movie. Me too. But I think the the criticisms that you guys bring up are are valid. I liked, honestly, any any interaction with ah Lipa and Shmully.
01:05:18
Speaker
I thought was great. i thought they were great. Who? i would the The Orthodox Jews. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. They were, i think, of all like the villains in the movie, they commanded the screen the most. Agreed.
01:05:30
Speaker
like When they were on screen, it was like, oh, here they come. like These guys are scary. Maybe it's because it's like You don't really think of like, you know Hasidic Orthodox Jews as being like, you know, real like badass criminals, but like these guys were.
01:05:47
Speaker
um And so it's like they're so like against the grain of, you know, the stereotype that it's like they really stand out, at least to me.
01:05:58
Speaker
I think yeah that's why. i do wish we had more of them. How did you guys feel about Regina King's performance? I have a note. Read us your note. I feel i like her performance, but at times it felt like she was in the wrong movie.
01:06:17
Speaker
But whatever movie she was in I want more of that. Like, she was giving me, like, real, like, grungy 90s cop detective, like, just off, like, just, like, off the top, you know?
01:06:33
Speaker
And everyone else was just a bit too mellow, like, on screen with her. And she was at, like, an 11. And I was like, I wish this whole movie, like, this movie was very intense, but, like, She was intense in a very different way in like a very like 90s after hours kind of way.
01:06:50
Speaker
yeah Yeah. yeah I wish we had more of that. You're looking for heat. Is that heat? You need to watch heat. Every time I pass it on Amazon, I'm like, gonna I want to watch heat with you. I know. I know. I know.
01:07:05
Speaker
I just want to see it in the theater. I'm holding out hope. I'm going to kill you.
01:07:11
Speaker
um what are you guys thoughts on regina king do you like you get what i'm saying or like yeah i'll agree with you because i had like a gripe with her where she fell out of place but the way you said it made me like go back and think like okay maybe she was out of place but she wasn't in the wrong you know yeah i actually really believed her character in a way i actually didn't see the the twist coming but outside of that it yeah i echo your sentiment completely Yeah, she actually caught me first, like, on Surprise 2.
01:07:45
Speaker
i said, whoa, wait, wait. Hold up. Hold up. Wait a minute. One thing I'll say that I didn't love, I'm not sure I loved the, like, Hank's backstory.
01:07:59
Speaker
i don't think it added that much to the movie, and it's just like, he has a twisted and dramatic past. Like, i actually think it would have been better if he just, like, had kind of flamed out a baseball. I agree.
01:08:10
Speaker
Like can set instead of the injury or maybe like there still could have been the injury, but like the way it happened. Yeah. Like I think it was ah like a bit too dramatic. I agree with you there. But wasn't that the central theme is his lack of self-confidence is his fear is running away.
01:08:29
Speaker
I think you could have done that without the very dramatic backstory. Like he could, like, I think like if it had but just been like, he got injured and just like, he blew out his knee or threw his shoulder, like in a game or something. Like that's fair.
01:08:42
Speaker
And then kind of downward spiral with with alcohol. Yeah. That's obviously a very big thing that he struggles with. I think it would have done the the same exact thing. I mean, it was it pays off in the end with the with the parallel between what he does with Leif Schreiber and Vincent's characters.
01:09:00
Speaker
The tension that scene was amazing. It's probably my favorite part of the movie. It was very good. I was worried about the cat. Me too. I was too. Oh my God. My heart broke when a microbe said that he kicked the cat. Oh my God. And then the one person who truly deserved to die did not die.
01:09:18
Speaker
i I needed him to just like, yeah, the way the cat like limps out. I was like, no, I guess that was so well-trained. You guys need to go see this movie um to see this cat. This cat deserves the cat Oscar.
01:09:32
Speaker
Yeah. I agree. um i have an IMDb fact about the cat. There's not a lot of IMDb trivias here, but there's one about the cat. This one's a little bit long. His name is Bud, by the way.
01:09:45
Speaker
Bud the cat. Wait. No, sorry. His name is Bud in the movie. In real life, his name is Tonic. Bud the Cat is played by Tonic, a film set pro who was a rock star on day one, according to screenwriter Charlie Huston.
01:09:58
Speaker
Tonic's trainer, Melissa Millay, ran two training sessions with Austin Butler, teaching him how and when to feed Tonic to get the right actions from him, and said that Austin is an incredible cat trainer, and that he would work with Tonic in a second, again, over many human actors.
01:10:12
Speaker
It's because Tonic's him. this was giving This movie was also giving me like a... much more hardcore version of inside lewin davis for a save of the cat trope yeah yes i'd rather live the inside lewin davis universe than experience that austin butler did but um i thought that was a fun i think anyone who says ah otherwise is a complete psychopath i do not want to get beat up so badly i have to have a kidney removed
01:10:46
Speaker
Every scene he was in after his kidney surgery, I was just like, be careful. How? Like, he should have been limping the entire movie. The pulling the staples scene. Oh, yeah.
01:10:57
Speaker
Having recently had surgery, it was like, oh buddy. Ow. Oh, my God. What else works for you guys that doesn't work? Anything else that you want to shout out?
01:11:09
Speaker
like the score. Score was good. Solid. Who did this score? I was like half conscious of it for the first time. Let's go. It's happening. I'm growing. you're You're training for Tron Aries. Exactly. Let's see. Rob Simonson composed this.
01:11:26
Speaker
He composed 500 Days of Summer, Deadpool and Wolverine. It ends with us, The Whale and the Atom Project. Not bad. And the age of Adeline seeking a friend for the end of the world. I love that movie.
01:11:40
Speaker
Real, uh, real diverse filmography here. Good job, Rob. We haven't talked about, um, Paul yet. The bartender. Oh yeah. The bartender's name was Paul, bro.
01:11:52
Speaker
It's a, yeah I mean, yeah, it has to be, it has to be intentional. It is intentional. must be. You can't cite After Hours as an inspiration for this film and be like, hey, wait a second.
01:12:05
Speaker
Aren't you?
01:12:07
Speaker
i do I, yeah, i mean, it's clearly a spiritual sequel to After Hours, you know, Maj. I mean, it's like basically very similar plots, like a butterfly effect unfolding because of one thing that happened.
01:12:25
Speaker
I'm a fan of these like quote unquote descent into madness type movies like wrong place, wrong time. Me too. They're fun. Yeah. I think, I think they're a lot of fun.
01:12:37
Speaker
ah Oh, the bump on Matt Smith's character, his his head. It was funny until it wasn't. Yeah.
01:12:46
Speaker
And it just kept growing, too. It did. Like scene after scene. like the like So he gets hit. I forgot about it for a second. And then like five minutes later, we get like a close-up of him, and it's just a little bit bigger. And was like, ooh.
01:12:59
Speaker
And then five more minutes pass, and they're the car, and I'm just like, what? Yeah. Just protruding out of his skull. I really like Matt Smith in this. Me too. He was fun.
01:13:09
Speaker
Yeah. What'd you guys think of ah Austin's British accent? It wasn't bad. Or I guess his impersonation of Matt Smith's accent. Pretty good impersonation of Matt Smith playing this character, honestly.
01:13:22
Speaker
I agree. ah was a little impressed. Are you guys baseball fans at all? No. Yes. I don't know why I asked. I don't know anything about baseball. You like the Giants?
01:13:34
Speaker
No. Who's your team? don't know. I just like baseball. All right. they're Cool. I guess I'm a Giants fan now. i've been I've been rocking with the Orioles because I like the bird.
01:13:47
Speaker
That's really it. I like the bird mascot. It's kind of funny. Were the conversations between Austin and his mom, were they believable to you?
01:13:57
Speaker
Like when he's trying to warn her about stuff and I don't know.
Film Critiques and Final Thoughts
01:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, I would say at first they're believable. Like I believed their relationship over the phone, but then I think towards the end, yeah like when he's at the pier.
01:14:11
Speaker
That's when it lost me. Yeah, that felt a bit ah fantastical. Yeah. I would say. But it didn't it didn't take me out of the movie, but... I think I had a similar thought where I was just like, eh.
01:14:25
Speaker
Yeah. Same. Like, I was like, this feels like it was written. Mm-hmm. Shout out Laura Dern, though. Five second cameo. Right. ah Did you guys like the ending?
01:14:38
Speaker
did and I did it. I didn't like that he didn't care what happened in the game. You don't just give up your sports fandom because, oh, like, it's like, nah, dude, what happened?
01:14:49
Speaker
Giants win? They make the playoffs? Yeah. Yeah, didn't really make sense for him to actually turn off the TV. You said you did and you didn't, Tachi. Why? i don't know yet. I'll have to figure it out.
01:15:02
Speaker
But right now, i have mixed feelings. and i Are we talking about like the actual last scene of him Tulum? Yeah, just like that whole final sequence of okay the the story getting wrapped up.
01:15:16
Speaker
I think it would have been a lot better simply if you just didn't turn off the TV. Like if he watched the game and he had his sparkling water with the cat and just like cheers.
01:15:27
Speaker
And like, we don't even need to see the results of the game, but like, yeah, you're right Alex. It doesn't really make sense that. That'd be a huge part of his character that we see is this giants fan. And now after all this, he's just like, nah, but that's just, that's like a nitpick. Like I'm, I'm kind of with you guys. i was just like, nah, I was whatever on the ending, but like, I enjoyed the rest of the movie like so much more than that.
01:15:47
Speaker
I don't know. It's not detrimental to me at the end of the day. i agree. Yeah. just didn't blow me away. But no, it was overall, was a really, really fun movie. Is there anything we missed?
01:16:00
Speaker
um well i I guess one thing I wanted to say after watching After Hours, just comparing like how they were shot, like how they portrayed New York, we had we had it right in the 80s and 90s.
01:16:14
Speaker
like We're losing recipes. I don't know what it is. like This movie's not ugly. But like after watching After Hours, I was just like, oh my God, we're losing recipes. Like where'd did it go?
01:16:27
Speaker
yeah those back streets in After Hours were beautiful. Yeah. Just the way everything is lit and like we were saying, like the camera movements, everything's so smooth. I think it's just too polished.
01:16:39
Speaker
Too polished for the sake of high definition. It needed to be grimy. It needed to be gritty. Yeah. i think i think that's what it's missing. I was really shocked by the assault on that club from the the two Jewish guys. I was not expecting that entrance or the exit.
01:17:01
Speaker
That was scary. That was crazy. The grenade just like watching the windows blow out. I was like, oh, they went in there to like really mess things up. Yeah. No way Regina King got out of there.
01:17:11
Speaker
No shot.
01:17:14
Speaker
But yeah, it did give us that last that last little tiff, which was really cool. Yeah, you got us justice. Any final thoughts for you guys? No, I think I'm caught stealing doubt.
01:17:29
Speaker
I think I'm good. I could rate it. All right. I'm going to throw this a soft four. I'm torn between three and a half and four.
01:17:40
Speaker
I think I'll go three and a half. okay I'm going to three and a half, seven out of 10. I'll say what does it for me that takes it from a three and a half to a four. Like I said, just like the, this style of movie I really enjoy.
01:17:57
Speaker
um and I think I just really like Austin Butler. Me too. Like, I think he was really good. All of the characters were just good. Like we're saying, like Matt Smith is great. Zoe Kravitz is pretty good.
01:18:09
Speaker
ah The two unorthodox Jewish characters that we get. They're funny and they're terrifying. Great cat actor. I just had a good time with it.
01:18:20
Speaker
Agreed. This isn't related to the movies, but I just want to say something about the...
Conclusion and Farewell
01:18:25
Speaker
um what's that movie we called? There's a trailer for caught stealing that came on oh big, bold, beautiful journey.
01:18:34
Speaker
Burger King, the product placement in that trailer really pisses me off. I am so sick of being advertised at. i I hate it. I hate where we're at as a, as a country, as a, as a people, as a world. Yeah.
01:18:54
Speaker
I've had enough. I agree with you. The first time I saw that trailer, I was like, I'm on board. I saw it last night I'm still on board. But yeah, that background shot of Burger King, I was like, huh? So stupid.
01:19:07
Speaker
hate My least favorite is just like all the um like car advertisements. You mean like in Barbie? That one was abysmal. Bad.
01:19:18
Speaker
And I hate, and they're really bad in the Avengers movies too. They're really bad in the Avengers But like, it has to be in the trailer. It can't wait. Come on. They can at least shock us with it when we it.
01:19:34
Speaker
Just give us a little nod. I did think Burger King sounded good, though. So it kind of worked on me. But you guys I think you guys think I'm weird for liking Burger King.
01:19:46
Speaker
Don't let the advertisers win. All right. Well, that about does it.
01:19:51
Speaker
That about does it. Thank you so much for listening to our episode today. Don't forget to ah rate us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify and be sure to follow our letterbox at Lost in the Frame. But me and the boys will be back next week.
01:20:06
Speaker
But I hope you guys have a wonderful night. Thank you for listening. Thanks, everybody. yeah Bye.