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Lost In The Sins - Sinners Review
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This week on Lost In The Frame, a discussion on the newest Ryan Coogler movie, Sinners. We also discuss some recent movie news and the results of our
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Introduction and Sponsorship Banter
00:00:15
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Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host Malik. I'm Alex. And I'm Tachi. And we are the boys. Friday night. How are you guys doing?
00:00:26
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I'm doing great. I got my my Shiner Strawberry Blonde. Shiner, please sponsor us. ah Cracked and ready to go for this. going open every episode of just begging for a sponsor. um I mean, you're never going to get one if you don't ask. That's true.
00:00:41
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I don't know if this is how we do it, though. We'll we'll figure it out. Tachi, how are you? Go come to us eventually. I'm doing pretty well. Go to the gym. I did. Did you track me? No, I just figured you were at the gym. Okay. Sometimes I forget that we have each other's locations.
00:00:54
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Yeah. And then occasionally i'll just be like, where's he at?
00:00:58
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I'm at home. um I'll check yours too. And like, where's he at? And then he's at home. Yep. um Like sometimes when you're running late to a movie, I'll watch you pull up on, on the location on five, my friend, you, you turned yours off. I had yours for a while and I noticed yours is off now, but you can look at mine.
00:01:15
Speaker
I needed the government to stop finding my location. It was getting really annoying. So I had to turn it off. I'll find a way to get it back because I need to know where you're at at all times. I'll turn it back on for you. Thank you.
00:01:27
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but Between the government and my my many fans slash stalkers, I had to had to ah ah to take drastic action. That's fair. That's fair.
Movie News and Cannes Film Festival
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Cool. Well, today we got a fun episode. We're going to talk a little bit about some recent movie news.
00:01:43
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We're going to discuss the newest Ryan Coogler movie, Sinners. Maybe some other vampires. We'll get some of our general thoughts around that movie. We watched it together last night. That was our first time watching a movie as a podcast.
00:01:57
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How guys feel about that? Good. I like it. Yeah, it was fun. yeah I wish we just had a little more time to ah talk beforehand and talk afterwards, but I understand that we need to save that discussion for. Yeah, next time we do it, we'll ah we should show up like 20, 30 minutes early. I like showing up like 20 minutes early.
00:02:17
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Just being able to hang out in the lobby or Alamo is cool because obviously they have like the bar and stuff. if You can just grab a drink and the fun preroll stuff. Yeah. Shoot the shit a little bit beforehand, but walking out of the movie, we had to minimize um our initial thoughts and we kept it to five words or less.
00:02:34
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Yeah. Do we, um yeah. For the viewers out there, we have not spoken about this movie to each other yet. Going so far as to not even rate it on Letterboxd. Nope. So we can't see it.
00:02:45
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I almost did out of habit. I, yeah, it's like a, it's like a bug to me. And so I went on and noticed Alex just logged it, but didn't rate it. And I was like, that man's so smart. So I did the same thing. Yeah.
00:02:56
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yeah So I did the same thing. Um, but cool. Yeah. Let's start off with some movie news.
00:03:05
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Alex, you can kick us off. You wanted to talk a little bit about the con lineup that just got released. Yeah, hang on. I need a moment to process the new soundboard that you got. I'm not sure that was the appropriate sound for. Well, we need a news like a news um jingle.
00:03:23
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Who do you do that? Huh? Okay. not today, though. We probably should have thought about it before we started. I was trying to find a news jingle, but they all sounded really lame.
00:03:33
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And then i was also going to maybe do the breaking news fish from Spongebob. But I've already got three Spongebob sounds on this. We do have a lot of SpongeBob sounds on i don't think there's a limit to SpongeBob sounds, though.
00:03:45
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I think you're right. i think per copyright laws in the U.S., there actually is a limit to SpongeBob sounds. So we do have to be careful of that one. Can we get copyrighted for just using sounds? What we just stood on business?
00:03:58
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Your Honor, I was simply standing on business. Court adjourned. You're free to go. Free to go All right, then. So, cause ah yeah, let's talk Con Film Festival. The the lineup was officially finalized. And so with that coming due, I feel like we are at the the start of the awards season.
00:04:18
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That's crazy. feel like we just got done with it. I know. i know. It's like late May is when it kind of kicks off. And there's there's a couple in here that kind of caught my eye. And so I want to see if you guys had heard about them or had any thoughts on them in competition. Uh, the one that obviously stuck, the two that stuck out to me are, uh, Eddington by Ari Aster, the Phoenician scheme, Wes Anderson. And as I'm looking at this, I see a new Richard Linklater in there.
00:04:45
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Um, Nouvelle vague. I don't think I'm pronouncing that correctly, but probably not. Um, yeah i Yeah, I know the trailer for Eddington and Phoenician Scheme came out recently.
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um What are your um initial thoughts on Eddington? Did you watch the... There was like a little ah teaser trailer that came out the other day. Did you guys watch that? I did watch it. um I think I kind of know what it's about, but I'm trying to go into that one as blind as possible. I'm just remembering... um our bow is afraid theater experience.
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And i kind i kind of am hoping we recreate that one when Eddington comes out. But Phoenician Scheme, I think just looks like it's like every Wes Anderson movie that's come out in the last five years. But I'm so excited for it. It's crazy that it's a so Michael Sarah's in this newest one.
00:05:37
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Yes, he seems like such a great fit for Wes Anderson movies. And I'm surprised it took this long to get him cast in one. Well, I feel like there's a couple actors that would be like great fits. And then they were like one and dones.
00:05:50
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Yeah. I thought Ralph Fiennes in Grand Budapest was like a great fit. And he's only really been in the
Spike Lee and New Star Wars Discussion
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one. I love him. And then Michael Cera. Yeah, took it took quite a long time. I think I would have thought Timothee Chalamet would have made another appearance. I thought after a French Dispatch, he ah he'd kind of worked his way into the the group.
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But clearly he did not. You guys want to know something embarrassing? Yes. I just.
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I just found out that Ray Fiennes plays Voldemort. Really? I had no idea. Did you see the steroid picture of him? Oh my god, yes. Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. Swoldemort?
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Yeah. had no idea. Great isn't the word I'd use. ah what What would you say? Hot? Dangerous. Spicy. Alpha male.
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Is this describing the fine? Yes. Mr. Fine. Mr. Fine. No idea why he's that built, but yeah, back to... um
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Tachi, did you see the trailer or no? Of what? ah New Wes Anderson float. Phoenician scheme. Oh, no. New Wes Anderson guy? I think I've only seen like one or two.
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I've seen, um what's the ah Fox one? Fantastic Mr. Fox. Yeah, and great one. That's a great one. What's the most recent one? Came out like three, years ago. Asteroid City. Yeah, that was awesome. That's his best movie. Those were both great.
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That's his best movie. I wouldn't go that far. Alex, fight me. I know you want fight I will fight you. It's Grand Budapest. It's not even close. Grand Budapest is second. Grand Pudapest was first and then Asteroid City came out and I was like, this movie is beautiful.
00:07:26
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don't know. I watched a TikTok edit of Fantastic Mr. Fox and I think it kind of solidified as number one for me. Y'all ever see a really good TikTok edit for like a movie that you've never seen and then you watch in the movies just not.
00:07:39
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That's most edits I see. Hmm. That's why they're edits and not movies. sometimes I get jazzed on, on Tik TOK edits though. Like in half my 40 pages, TOK edits.
00:07:49
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I mean, we're always sending each other. Tik TOK edits. Tachi. Yeah. my God. All the attack on Titan edits we'd get. You see the cars when I sent the other day. Yes. McQueen is fading. I will say, though, that the one movie that's actually out of competition, there's there's
Director Matt Shakman and Oscars Stunt Category
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two out of competition that ah really caught my eye because I'd heard of them.
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Out of competition means they're being screened, but they're not actually submitted for the competition for anyone out there that isn't familiar. um Mission Impossible Final Reckoning. oh let's go. I didn't know that. It's screening out of competition.
00:08:20
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Nice. And then ah Highest to Lowest, the new Spike Lee joint. is ah premiering as well and um i don't know if you guys have seen akira kurosawa's high and low um but highest to lowest is a remake of that and um i'm gonna be honest i'm terrified that it's gonna be exactly like his old boy remake which was terrible spike lee did uh that old boy remake he yeah he did the american old boy with with josh brolin didn't know that Old boy, that was a that was a great theatrical experience.
00:08:52
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Unbelievable movie. That's crazy. touch When did you watch that? When it was released. Okay. Were we in the theater together? Did we together? i don't because I went with... I know Alex was there.
00:09:06
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Oh, no, maybe I went alone. Okay. Oh, that's a crazy Oh, my God, yeah. um Like, seriously insane. Like, actually insane. It's so good. Almost literally insane.
00:09:18
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I won't tell anyone to actually go watch it. That's a movie you can't really recommend. It's hard to recommend it. But it's so good. It's so good. Just I'm not going to tell you to go watch it. You have to make that decision on your own.
00:09:30
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That might be like a one and done. movie for me yeah i've seen it twice it got it got so much better the second time did it is yeah i might have to check it out so out of competition at con that just means it's not part of the actual competition like it can't win yeah like my wrong with that tom cruise is gonna win the palm de or okay okay he yeah they should put that competition not for this one Oh, also, they are adding a um stunts category to the Oscars.
00:09:56
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I did see that. Heck yeah. But it's not happening until 2028. think that's because that's the 100th. I think so. the The centennial. It seems silly to announce it and then not have the category be present for the next like two to three Oscars.
00:10:13
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Like, I don't know what the logistics are that go into creating a new category, but we're getting a new one next year with casting. Right. For acting, I believe.
00:10:24
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Yeah. Yeah. When new categories are introduced, does it replace one or does it just get added? and No, it's it's just going to get added. they're They're not taking any away. So the Oscar is going to be just just a little bit longer.
00:10:37
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Great. That's what we all wanted. I'm fine with it. If Conan's hosting, that's okay. Does Ryan Gosling get the credit for adding the stunt category? No, it should be Tom Cruise.
00:10:48
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ah you're You're saying Fall Guy? Yeah. that what it's called? Fall Guy? Yeah. I was thinking a free guy with Ryan Reynolds. Oh my God. um I was going to try to make some type of transition from Free Guy that was directed by Sean Levy to Sean Levy's new Star Wars movie that stars Ryan Gosling.
00:11:07
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Oh, well, there's a segue. like wait I couldn't figure out the word segue. I couldn't figure out how to do this. segueway So we're just going to talk about, because I'm curious to hear what you guys think of a new Sean Levy Star Wars movie starring Ryan Gosling.
00:11:24
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I'm happy that I was casted in it. Okay.
00:11:30
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Yeah, i'm I'm happy I was casting in it, but i'm I'm honestly a little ambivalent to anything new Star Wars that's announced that ah isn't tied to Andor.
00:11:41
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The Mandalorian and Grogu movie also got announced ah during the same announcement. And I mean, there's just bangers of information to go along with that one. um Disgusting Film tweeted this to ah yesterday, and they said, Jabba the Hutt's son Radha, which was the...
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which was the subject of um the Clone Wars movie from when we were all like 12. Jabba the Hutt's son, Rada, will be a gladiator with massive biceps in The Mandalorian and Grogu.
00:12:14
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And thrill Jeremy Allen White is playing it. um ah So hopefully he plays Rada the Hutt just like he does Carmi and the Bear and is just like smoking and cussing everybody out. I think that's the only way it would work.
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I think besides that, it's going to trash. That's exciting. Wait, that was all real? Yeah. i so Yeah, that's real. That's real. Oh, that's interesting. Jeremy Allen White playing Jabba the Hutt's buff son. Okay. You know what I'm on board.
00:12:45
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That sounds so absurd that it's got to be great. and then on the But do you trust Disney to pull it off? That's the question. no Exactly. Who's the director? but don't even know. I don't even think it matters.
00:12:57
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Yeah. Sometimes it does. I think there are some that are capable of turning ah shit into gold. I think it's just turning shit into booby.
00:13:09
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I'd be okay with at least mud. Shit into mud? Yeah. Ryan Gosling is going to be the star of Starfighter. It's going to great. I think our boy is fading. I think McQueen is fading.
00:13:21
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You think? What's he doing? I don't know. Why is he doing that? But I just looked at sean Levy's um directing, I guess, filmography. It's not great. But it's better than I thought.
00:13:33
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I think there are some movies that are slept on like, uh, date night. Wait, no, not date night. was thinking of, um, game night, game night.
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yeah Yeah. I've, I've watched date night and game night. Date night does not compare, but no real steel is good. and Real steel is good. Night, the museum, the first one in least is good. But were those two, the last two times that Sean Levy had the sauce?
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I don't know. I haven't seen a lot of his movies. But... I'm scared. Speaking of directors that may or may not have the sauce... Fantastic he was like waiting in the corner with fantastic Four trailer? i mean,
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yeah i'm i was looking at matt shackman's uh filmography oh looks like the only thing the two most high profile things he's done is wandavision and the nightman cometh live for it's always sunny like he directed that episode or he directed a live production of it i think it's just the episode no it was real
Ryan Coogler's 'Sinners' - Cinematic Innovations
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like a live production I mean, OK, the Nightman Cometh, the fictional rock opera from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, is brought to life at the Troubadour Nightclub in April 2009, written by Broadway star Charlie Kelly.
00:14:53
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Fifty one minutes long. It might have been like an actual stage play that they ran one time. Hmm. Well, the first half of WandaVision is really good. I think it kind of falls apart a bit in the last couple episodes, but it's not a complete train wreck.
00:15:09
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It's not a complete train wreck. That's right. It's watchable. Yeah. And the trailer does does speak my interest. it It does. Um... Thunderbolts did as well.
00:15:21
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Yeah. So with with Thunderbolts coming out like imminently, I think like we'll see if we can actually trust the marketing. Because that one has been leaning into like the whole, like look at how many A24 people we have.
00:15:33
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That was a crazy like trailer that they put out. like I'm a little worried they're going to do that, and then it's going to be like the same exact movie we've been getting for 15 years.
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I don't know. Only time will tell. I have a good feeling about it. About both? About both, yeah. yeah But it is interesting when I'm looking at Matt Shackman's work, he's only done one movie prior to this.
00:15:58
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The rest has all been television directing. um He's done a lot of high-profile TV shows, which is promising, but it is a little concerning he's only done one movie.
00:16:12
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i completely We'll see. We'll see. um Yeah, I'm excited for it. hope I'm not let down. ah i don't know how I feel about Pedro is as Reed. You say that about all of his roles.
00:16:27
Speaker
Well... Pedro fatigue is real. I think... Yeah, I i do feel like Pedro fatigue is real. I don't hate him at all. I enjoy him.
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But...
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it's like It's a complicated relationship, and I'm and i'm sorry that i that I feel that way, but don't know. it complicated? just sounds like you don't love seeing him. Someone back me up. Alex, back me up here, please.
00:16:54
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Back you up? I'm dying here. I think I agree. He like trying to think like of like a role of his. is I've been like completely blown away by and like he's been good in what he's in. He's been in a lot of things that I've like liked, but I don't think he's ever been the reason I liked it.
00:17:13
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Does that make any sense? Yeah. Like the Mandalorian, the first two seasons were good, but it wasn't really because of him. He wasn't even in the suit half the time. Really? No, he would voiceover mainly voiceover for him.
00:17:28
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I guess I would save a lot of money. Yeah. And to stick him into a hot suit every day. But he was pretty incredible as the Viper Game of Thrones. Oh, I don't and don't remember his name. He was good in Game of Thrones. I do forget his name.
00:17:40
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You guys watching ah The Last of Us? No. saw the first season. Alex, why not? I'm going to attack you first and then touch you. Yeah, attack. Long story. Is it actually a long story?
00:17:52
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It actually is. All right. Moving to Tachi. What you got? What's your reason? What's your reason? For watching it? Oh, you did watch it. Yeah. oh okay. thought you said you haven't watched it. I just haven't seen. Has season two started?
00:18:04
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It did. It started on Sunday. Yeah. um Well, I will tune in soon. Cool. Thank you. You're welcome. but Solved amicably.
00:18:14
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But you don't like him in that role, right? Because you've played the games. I haven't played the games. so So i i have no prior experience or prior, I guess, ah impression of Joel. I give him like a B-. minus That's not bad. and There are qualms.
00:18:31
Speaker
There are qualms with a lot of it. But I'm watching. I'm watching. Okay. You'll be seeing it. It's just hard because i I do like those games and I think The Last of Us 2 is a phenomenal game.
00:18:45
Speaker
And like when when the perfect blueprint is right there, it's really hard to translate that into a whole different medium. Like I know it's not going to be one-to-one and I don't think that's anyone's expectations, but it's just hard when like perfection is already right there.
00:19:01
Speaker
I don't think I had anything crazy from discussing film. I saw Tim Allen said that Toy Story 5 will be focused a lot on Jesse. Okay. i can' Great. Why can't they end it?
00:19:13
Speaker
I don't know. I wish they did. 4 shouldn't have happened. It was good, but it shouldn't have happened. Now here's a series that I hope never ends. Vin Diesel pleads for Universal to reveal when the next Fast and Furious film reads.
00:19:23
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And in quote, Vin Diesel said, Universal, please tell the best fans in the world when the next movie is coming out. family I just want another Tokyo Drift. Yes. That's all I want.
00:19:34
Speaker
Yeah, that movie rewired my brain. That movie rips. um And then I'll end it with this one, which will... segue us nicely into today's topic. Oh, nice word. Brian Coogler on the importance of seeing sinners in the movie theater.
00:19:49
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He wants people walking out of the theater and thinking, man, I had a full meal. They really care about the medium. Everybody on the project knew that this was going to theaters. They all care about seeing movies on a big screen and what it feels like when you see a good one.
00:20:02
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That's confidence. Well, let's get into sinners. I think we can start off with reading a couple of our favorite Letterboxd reviews for this movie that we've seen. So Sinners 2025, directed by Ryan Coogler.
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Synopsis reads, trying to leave their troubled lives behind, twin brothers return to their hometown to start again, only to discover that an even greater evil is waiting to welcome them back.
00:20:27
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This is starring Michael B. Jordan, Miles Catton, Ailey Steinfeld, yeahconno Jack O'Connell, Delroy Lindo, and friends. We saw this last night, as I said before.
00:20:39
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Opening night. Opening night. it's been I feel like it's been ah slow start to 2025 from a movie standpoint. Do you guys agree that? It's been that so far.
00:20:52
Speaker
I fully agree. but Just when we're this close to May, it's yeah it's pretty disappointing. ah The writer's strike is paying dividends right now. When did Dune come out? Didn't Dune come out in like February or March of last year? Yeah, it was February.
00:21:07
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That was electric. That instantly shot to the top of my 2024 list, and it was never supplanted. It stayed. Yeah. Yeah, that was cemented. And right now, it's like I look at my 2025 list.
00:21:22
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Granted, there's a few I still need to watch, but there just hasn't been anything that has had me super excited to get into the theater. um'm I'm going to go out on a limb and say Death of a Unicorn is not going to supplant anything.
00:21:36
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I don't think it's going to be good. Did it come out already? It did. I've heard nothing about it since release. I've just heard it's mid. It has a very mid bell curve on Letterboxd.
00:21:48
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It's unfortunate. So sinners. Yeah. He's got the first couple of reviews that they want to read. I've got one. It's got ah four stars. And the review states Delroy Lindo.
00:22:00
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That's it. Nice. Which, ah he was one of my favorite parts of the movie. I agree. Really interesting character. Alex, you got one? I think you should go first.
00:22:12
Speaker
Okay. I don't have one, but I remember one. This was your idea. yeah what This was your contribution to this. I've got Letterboxd on my like web browser, but it looks weird. I'm not used to it.
00:22:24
Speaker
I just remember seeing one earlier that said, how nice that they finally let Michael A. Jordan star in something. That was my joke. Oh. It was my joke. I'm sorry.
00:22:36
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You stole it from me. Okay, well, you know what? I'll cut that part out. You say it. Go ahead. No. but no No, it it's over. the The moment's gone. It's fine. I'll read. I'll read a different one. Here we go. Just the just the random one. Ready? I'm going next page.
00:22:51
Speaker
This one just says insane. Well, they give it at and a five stars. Five stars. Insane. All right. Well, my review comes from a a lovely territory that speaks French, whether that is France or Quebec or French Guiana.
00:23:05
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I'm not too sure. ah But it reads as follows. And to any French-speaking people who are listening to this, I apologize. Here we go. J'ai perdu 8 euros, 0.5 slash 5.
00:23:19
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J'ai envie de pleurer, il est de son pussy. A longueur de temps, je suis chocouรฉ. shook i don't know how that's pronounced but i never took french that's a lie i did for one year what is the translation translation is i lost eight euros 0.5 out of 5 i want to cry they say pussy all the time i'm shocked hmm so a half a star half a star is pised wait they wait did actually say to i in the movie did i miss that
00:23:55
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um It had to have only been like once or twice, right? It was like two or three times, but clearly that was too much for this this French person. Interesting. yeah But that that one spoke to me a lot. I thought that was very powerful.
00:24:07
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thought you got another one. Yeah, ah kind of reflects how I felt last night. This one, this review is four and half I'm ready to start saying crazy shit about this movie, but I couldn't last night, and I was sad about that.
00:24:21
Speaker
And then, because I was the first one to go, yeah and you two were withholding a lot of your feelings, it just like compounded the fact that I just couldn't say more. I mean, do we want to just give each of our general consensus on the movie, and then we can get a little bit deeper into that?
00:24:37
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like We can use our thoughts. i have I have one more ah i one more review from France that I could read. Oh my god, okay. It's what the people want. ah From France, C'est film ma rendu resiste.
00:24:53
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Any guesses on what that means? Say it again. C'est film ma rendu resiste. Something about resisting... Yeah.
00:25:05
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This film made me racist. Oh. Oh. French people don't like this movie. What's going on? I'm shocked that that's... It's insane. It's not the target audience.
00:25:18
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I looked up... i So I always think the funniest ones are if you go like sort by Lois first. like You can like go anywhere in the middle. You have someone like writing like an essay. like 0.5 out of 5 is where people are really like letting their their true feelings loose.
00:25:34
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This guy... clearly has some some problems. Yo, dox this guy. What's his name? is a wild And we're off the air in France. su Suhalams.
00:25:51
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Suhalams. I don't like the sound of that. Me neither. His four favorites are Joker, Gladiator, Cinderella, and Burlesque. Whoa. Questionable.
00:26:02
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ah okay crazy Wait, did you want to say anything about the the format and distribution i i don't know like so the video that i had sent was kugler doing a video for kodak talking about the um just how they filmed the movie on 70 millimeter film and imax cameras and panavision cameras and so he he was just kind of going off saying talking about like all of the work that they kind of put into this and that it was the first time, um I think ever, if I'm not mistaken, that a movie has used both of the types of film like that, like the 70 millimeter IMAX and then the 70 millimeter for the Panavision camera. So like, if we, like we didn't get to see it in an IMAX theater and I really wish that we were able to one, we don't have an IMAX theater here, which is annoying, but there's apparently like a lot of like aspect ratio changes where it's
00:26:58
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kind of take like the full um imax screen and then it would kind of either like compress i'm not sure we didn't see it like that so i don't know when it did it or how it did it but he was talking about kind of just getting the full experience and if you're able to go out to an imax theater ah just watch it on the biggest screen you can so what's the closest one to us is it dallas i think it's dallas hmm Because like I know the Bob Bullock one is it' like... It's not a true IMAX. Yeah, it's not a true IMAX. Wait, what about the A&C at Barton Creek?
00:27:31
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That's not a true IMAX It's not a true IMAX either. There's like, I think, 13 of them in the country. 13 true IMAXes. And Dallas, I think, is the closest. And it's in like a really weird collection of cities, too. Have you ever seen the map?
00:27:44
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Yeah, it's random. I think like um there was a really weird city that happened. when It was like, Why? Like the most notable ones, like I think New York has one or two, LA has got a couple, and then yeah, the rest of them are kind of just sporadic.
00:28:01
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What is fake IMAX? What does that mean? I think it's just not a full IMAX screen. Like it doesn't cover the full, i don't I don't have on the top of my mind what the full imax ratio is like the actual numbers but i don't think it it fully covers it but at the alamo screening um i i did not consciously pick up on any aspect ratio changes there wasn't any aspect ratio changes for for ours it would it would only be okay um on those on those imax screenings got it the minnesota zoo has an imax a true imax course
00:28:35
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but Who do we need to talk to to get more IMAX theaters built? surprised there's not one here. I'm surprised. Yeah. Well, there's one in Fort Worth and there's one in Dallas.
00:28:45
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So two in Dallas. no. We're off the air in Dallas, Fort Worth. They definitely should build one here because we've got South by. and feel like that would do well.
00:28:57
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um There's a couple other film festivals here, but I think that like people, people would love if we had an IMAX theater. And don't know if I'm just talking for everyone. and I will talk for everyone. We want an IMAX theater here.
00:29:09
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You should just put one on the, the DKR jumbotron. Sure. it's A hundred thousand people. Yeah, that would work. mean, multi-use too. I mean, you use the IMAX in the off season and the Longhorns aren't playing. And then, you know, during the season you have Arch Manning highlights in IMAX during the game. I mean, like I'd go.
00:29:30
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Yeah. wouldn't I know people that drove to Dallas for the interstellar IMAX release. Like the people want IMAX. Give it to them. We're ignoring talking about sinners.
00:29:43
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Okay. This is Coogler's fifth film in his filmography. We know him from Fruitvale. We know him from the Black Panther movies and the first Creed. And here he goes. His first movie not tied to IP.
00:29:57
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Tachi, I'm going to give you the hot seat. Sure. I have a feeling you may have loved this more than Alex and I have. Probably. Based on the limited ah reaction I got last night.
00:30:10
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Ladies and gentlemen, that was the first indication of Malik's feelings on this movie. I just want to give you that. Yeah, because last night you said you need to think about it more. yeah but so even he said we said we're gonna keep it at five words or less what were your five words or less i said something along the lines of like this movie ripped or like this movie was a banger or something like that i think you said this movie right yeah i think that's yeah sorry what was the question was there a question Now he's scared.
00:30:39
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Yeah, the question is, how do you feel? How do I feel? Did you feel walking out of it? Walking out, I had a lot of fun. I certainly don't think it was a perfect movie. However, it was, it ticked almost all my boxes in terms of like what makes at least a good movie.
00:30:56
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I don't know how deep in the weeds you want me to get right now, but just overall, I thoroughly enjoyed it. There are some flaws that we can get into, but um yeah, I don't think I wasted my time.
00:31:11
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I'm really happy I saw it. think that's a perfect summarization. And yeah, like you said, we can we could dive deeper into into specifics of the movie. Alex, you want to go or should i I'll go. I'll go. um Because obviously I set up the drama of, you know,
00:31:25
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Your opinion, Malik. So I should probably tell the good people mine. um The words I used to describe it in our six words or less was needed a different writer. Elaborate on that. i That's been stuck in my head. And I was like, I will elaborate on that.
00:31:39
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um So like let me talk about the good first. Let me talk about the good first, because I will agree with Tachi. There was a lot of stuff in that movie I really liked. I loved the setting of it. I love using like the Mississippi Delta, which is amazing.
00:31:52
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you know I feel like kind of an overlooked region in film, um but it has a lot of history there. A lot of um Southern culture springs up from that area, and so I thought it was a perfect spot to set this movie. I loved like the vibes of it.
00:32:08
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thought the set design was awesome. thought there were some stellar camera work, and I think it all completely fell apart. not Well, fall apart is a strong word, and I think where it suffered was in the script writing department.
00:32:21
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And I'll tell you why. ah believe Ryan Coogler wrote this movie as well as directed it. And this is the first time he's ever done so. He did write Fruitvale. First time he's done so without any sort of like...
00:32:34
Speaker
Historical thing to back. Yeah. Yeah. yeah I was going to say Fruitvale is not an original IP. That's not true. Yeah. But it is a true story. Someone would call it an IP. And that just made me feel crazy, right? Someone made me feel slimy for a second. but We're going to go pause ah for an ad while I go take a shower after that one. um But I think where this movie suffered was its pacing, um partly because I think there were a lot of threads that were opened.
00:33:05
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and kind of lacklusterly closed. Not sure how much I want to divulge because I'm to assume by Tuesday a lot of people who are listening have not seen this. I don't want to spoil too much.
00:33:17
Speaker
The movie set up like a lot. It took a long time to get to the juke joint where that was kind of like the focal point of the story.
00:33:27
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And I think a lot of that time setting up was was time wasted. um They did a lot of work developing characters that I felt had no payoff.
00:33:39
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ah Haley Steinfeld's character is is one of them, in my opinion. It would just the way that she, um you know, like her fate is determined, I think was just very like.
00:33:51
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Like it happened. Yeah, like exactly. It happened. um And the other thing that I thought detracted from it was was a lot of theater kid energy. Really? I and didn't really get that vibe from it. I got some theater kid. Not to say that theater kid energy is bad.
00:34:07
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i mean, all movies are a theater kid energy. They all are. um I think in this setting, it didn't work. there was there was There was a Letterboxd review that I saw, and I can't find it, so I can't credit the original commenter.
00:34:21
Speaker
um But it was like it felt like it was pitched one-third... Drama, one third vampire movie, one third musical. And it didn't commit to one of the three. And I think that's the biggest problem for me with it was it didn't really commit to one central theme, had like three or four going, and none of them ever really paid off.
00:34:41
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I think, honestly, yeah. And hearing you talk through it, I'm going to have to agree with you on a lot of it now, like walking
'Sinners' - Narrative and Visual Analysis
00:34:50
Speaker
out. I had a really good time watching it. like oh I did too. It was very entertaining. I ah really enjoyed it.
00:34:57
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My first initial thought was, i think, personally, I could have benefited from not knowing that vampires were kind of a central plot point in this and i think that's just like in part due to the marketing but i think they could have which i mean would have been a risk i don't know what it takes to be like in marketing but i think it would have been sick like completely not knowing going into this and then kind of have that happen i think that would have brought a lot think would have felt like a lot higher about the movie following it but
00:35:30
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the The part, Alex, with you that I kind of disagree on is the beginning, because like I think it really does feel like the first two-thirds of this movie is building up to that juke joint and then the penultimate.
00:35:42
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like where we get to the vampires. i I did enjoy a lot of that. lake So I think this movie does work for me as a drama. um I really liked getting to know these characters, and it is a shame that once we do get to that third act, that a lot of the stories, like you said, are... It's accelerated.
00:36:00
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Yeah, they're accelerated, and then it just feels like a lot of that character development that we got in the first hour to hour 20 is just kind of out the window, almost. So i don't know like how...
00:36:12
Speaker
like how that could have been maybe tied together a little bit better. So I do feel it was a bit messy, but I mean, I did enjoy the movie. Like I'm just, is well, yeah, I'm just, it wasn't time wasted. i liked how you, you phrased that. talk Yeah.
00:36:27
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Yeah, not time wasted. I'm sad that that I'm not as high on it as it seems like the rest of the world currently is. I know, I feel left out. I feel left out. and i was LeBron loved it.
00:36:40
Speaker
Who? LeBron. That's the barometer. Did he tweet? He did tweet about it. ah But I mean, sometimes, i don't know if you guys feel this, but like sometimes it's hard watching a movie like this and like knowing that everybody loves it or it's like one of most anticipated then walking out just liking it and thinking it's okay and just kind of arguing with yourself like feeling conflicted like yeah like wanting to like it like yeah yeah and i've definitely been guilty of that in the past of like just like trying be like okay no i have i have to like it more everybody else likes it i gotta be on i gotta be honest with myself i thought it all right
00:37:18
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we We can't gaslight ourselves. i I think I'm really good at gaslighting myself. i I am. There have been a few where I've completely gaslighted myself into being like, this was actually pretty good. Like, no, it was it was actually really smart.
00:37:32
Speaker
It's like, would I watch it again? Absolutely not. Yeah. I would watch Sinners again. I would watch Sinners again. and um With that being said, what are your guys' favorite scenes? Because one for me comes to mind, and I guess I'll i'll start it off as just the...
00:37:48
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the barn burner sequence, the whole musical, um, getting in touch with his ancestors, that whole one shot. That was so interesting. That was stellar. Yeah. like That actually had me like levitating.
00:38:01
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That was a really good. That was, it was badass. Yeah. I mean, just like the blending of the music together and it doesn't really seem like Alex enjoyed that part, but I thought that was, and thought that was so, so cool. So well done. And definitely my favorite part of the It was a little too on the nose for me.
00:38:18
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Why? Because it was like, I don't like being food ah spoon-fed stuff. And I think that was like really spoon-feeding, like the music transcending time theme.
00:38:30
Speaker
I don't think so because, I mean, in the opening sequence of the movie... There's narration talking about talking about just that, how music can transcend time and everything like that. So I think that was just a really cool way to visually put it. was It was cool. like It was a cool sequence. but like i don't think I don't think it's spoon-fed.
00:38:50
Speaker
I really don't think it's spoon-fed because that's not really a central part of the movie. It's just kind of talking about a broader picture of how music... brings people together. And I think that was just a really cool stylistically, uh, way of approaching that. So i don't think it's spoon fed. I think it's just showing like when I think spoon fed, I think very like dialogue heavy,
00:39:15
Speaker
Thinking the audience is stupid. Like telling, not showing. Yeah, exactly. But I think, yes, this is a showing, but it was showing. It's just, it's like show it to show. Like I want to show this and it's cool and it looks good.
00:39:28
Speaker
You know, that's how, but that's how I think of it. And I think part of maybe why I liked it too was like the whole sort of melting pot of historical and cultural references.
00:39:39
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Cause it wasn't just like African American or African, and because there there were those, I assume Chinese characters. I don't actually know, but bringing in some of that Eastern Asian stuff.
00:39:53
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Yeah. Which I think was a big, a big influence in in that Jim Crow era. Um, so I thought I, yeah, I thought that was awesome too. I think that's a really good point you brought up. Alex, let's hear your favorite scene.
00:40:05
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I think the one that stuck out to me the most was, think the first vampire scene. um shack? Yeah, with the ah the indigenous vampire hunters.
00:40:17
Speaker
Yeah. I loved that scene. I thought it was so well done. It was such a great introduction to the the vampires. And um I was so sad the vampire hunters didn't come back. Sorry, spoilers. um But yeah, they don't come back.
00:40:31
Speaker
I actually kind of forgot about him. Maybe Ryan did too. um I was going to ask, like what part of that sequence did you like so much? Was it just that like sort of standoff at the door? Or was it what immediately followed? love tense it was. like Because there were two standoffs.
00:40:50
Speaker
I mean, there were two of them. The one where he first shows up and then when the vampire hunters show up. And both of them, I think, were equally as tense, but for different ways. Because, I mean, we, the audience, we knew that there were vampires in this movie going in.
00:41:03
Speaker
yeah We see him you know burning in sunlight as he comes onto the screen. It's like, we know what's about to happen. and We pick up that like he's asking to be let inside. you know i just i loved how tense that was. Because it was like it almost reminded me of like the Hitchcock... like The most stressful thing about like a bomb in a movie is when the audience knows that, you know, there's a bomb, but the characters don't.
00:41:26
Speaker
um It kind of felt like that. It's like you watch someone just make a huge mistake and they haven't realized it yet. Yeah. What is that called? Like Chekhov's gun? Is that is that kind of? No, that's it's a different thing. i think like Chekhov's gun is like Chekhov.
00:41:41
Speaker
Let me look. Yeah. Speaking of that scene, I really like Jack O'Connell's character Remick as kind. He was awesome. Fascinating. It was sick. Another one of my touching and then I'll ask Alice your favorite scene um right now. But another one of my favorite scenes was kind of like two thirds of the way into the movie when they got a bulk of these vampires, like a lot of the people had already gone outside to the party.
00:42:03
Speaker
And they're kind of doing their like a folk performance yeah outside and kind of in the middle doing, doing a little jig. I thought that was so sick. The eyes. Yeah. Just seeing them all like dance in the night and the eyes glowing and just like the, the camera work around it. I was like, give me like, I want more of that. That was sick.
00:42:22
Speaker
Um, what are, what are some of your favorite scenes there? i have I have two that come to mind. ah Well, I guess three. That was one of them. The first one was one of the first shots of the movie.
00:42:33
Speaker
It was when I made that comment about how did they do that. And i'm I meant that technically because yeah two Michaels were in the were in the shot. And he he like hands the cigarette to his right It's lit by the other Michael.
00:42:51
Speaker
And then he starts smoking it. And I'm like, I don't know. i don't know how that works. Like, I know they, I know they've implemented that sort of like character setting before like parent trap with Lindsay Lohan having two Lindsay's on screen, whatever.
00:43:04
Speaker
Tashi, have you never heard of mitosis? That's how they did but Now I know. Thank you. He just split into two. I mean, Michael. Yeah, apparently he can just do that. Michael A and Michael B. Yeah.
00:43:16
Speaker
Makes sense. Yeah, that. You know, there's a Michael C hidden away somewhere in case Michael A and He's out there. He's the evil one, though. He's their Wario. He's the failover. He's just in a basement. He never leaves.
00:43:30
Speaker
um Yeah, technically, I just thought that scene was really cool. um I'd love to see the behind the scenes behind that. And it looked it looked really good having Michael B. Jordan play twins. Yeah. Because not once did I think...
00:43:43
Speaker
oh, this is him twice. Like they, they felt like two completely separate characters. They felt distinct. And so honestly, I'm not a huge, I'm not a huge fan of Michael B. Jordan's performance in this, but I think he did a pretty good job because I at least was, I was like, I had that suspension of disbelief. I think it's one of his best acting performances for sure.
00:44:03
Speaker
mean, they definitely like smoke and sack felt like different people. Yeah. Yeah. I was a little worried. it was going to like, Like, yeah, they feel like twins are the same person. Like, who'd y'all like better, Smoke or Stack?
00:44:16
Speaker
I was a Stack guy. I was also Stack guy. Was Stack the one who's a bit more... He's like, he's crazy. I'm crazy. And Smoke is the more... He was the less tense one.
00:44:27
Speaker
Yeah. Stack is the less tense one. He was wearing more red. Smoke wore blue. I thought Smoke was the more, like, chill guy. No. okay no Smoke was the guy who was like... Who was Hayley with? Who was Hayley with?
00:44:41
Speaker
Hayley was with Stack. They got my ass. I don't know. Okay. You didn't even watch the movie. It was your twin with us. All right. I agree with you guys then. We like Stack, right? Yep.
00:44:54
Speaker
I like both, but... um I was a stat guy. My big stack just real quick. My other favorite scene was towards it was like right after the climax um where two of the characters that are left standing um are kind of embracing.
00:45:10
Speaker
I'm not going to say what exactly happens, but some of the visual effects that is happening right in front of them. Oh, yeah. I thought it was really, really beautiful.
00:45:21
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I looked really good. Yeah, that was that was really cool. I like that. Cinematically, I thought that was really great. guys want to talk about any standout performances that you just did? Well, we kind of hit on it, but like, okay, I'm using this because I mainly wanted to talk about Miles Patton, the guy who plays preacher boy, Sammy, this Sammy. Yes. This is his first movie.
00:45:39
Speaker
Like no credits previously. And I thought, He was great. Yeah. Who is he? Like, where did don't know where did come from? Like, did I don't know. Like, was was he is he is he a musician? Because that's what I'm a musician. He's a musician. But I looked him up on Spotify and he's got less than a thousand monthly listeners.
00:45:57
Speaker
One one other thing that I also thought was interesting was Ryan Coogler talking about some of his biggest influences for the film um from dusk till dawn. Great movie. Great movie.
00:46:08
Speaker
The Faculty. Haven't seen it, though. Haven't seen that one. Okay. Inside Llewyn Davis. Oh. Your fave. And Green Room. Wow. I want justice.
00:46:20
Speaker
Oh my God, we didn't even talk. Okay, we'll save that for the end. We didn't talk about the results of the draft. Oh yeah. but for Totally forgot about that. We don't have to talk about it. We can talk about it.
00:46:31
Speaker
We can talk about it. I have to talk about it. We must talk about it. We'll finish sinners and then and then we'll get into that. There's a victory that must be celebrated. There it is. Tachi, you hit a little bit about a couple of the things that didn't work for you.
00:46:48
Speaker
What are those? Okay. I think a lot of what Alex brought up was super valid. Didn't feel like we got some payoff on a lot of the characters that were like secondary focuses.
00:47:04
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I did like the build up to, you know, the the final act. I think if we just got like five more minutes of battling and just like maybe giving a little more I don't know. I just feel like there was so much suspense, so much anxiety about like the coming threat and it was just building and building and building.
00:47:29
Speaker
And then the doors blow open. And then that's just almost kind of it. i I think if it sort of went like how a lot of zombie movies go, where it's sort of like a one on or one by one basis where the characters are, you know, eliminated.
00:47:49
Speaker
i I think the payoff would have been a lot better if you know it was slowed down. But yeah, that that was probably my my biggest gripe. And also that it it did feel a little bit lost. Like it couldn't really pick, like what Alex said, it couldn't pick between drama, musical,
00:48:09
Speaker
vampire horror maybe if it concentrated a little bit more on two of the three maybe the final act could have felt a little smoother little more satisfying but yeah i don't know if i had a problem with the writing i was thinking about it like all night i don't know exactly what it was that you you didn't like alex i mean i'm sure you're about to get into it in a little bit but I think it was more just how the how the climax was handled.
00:48:39
Speaker
It was great. and And like you said, the the payoff for some of the characters' fates. I think really for when I talk about like some of my biggest issues with the writing is I think there was I talked about it before with ah the like the the burn that the barn down scene, the barn burning scene.
00:48:57
Speaker
um I think there was a lot of lack. There was a lack of subtlety. And I am one. This is probably one of the things where like I deviate from a lot of people is I like appreciate like a lot of subtlety and things left unsaid.
00:49:09
Speaker
And so I think that this movie like it did not really do like subtle at all. And one of the scenes that I'll highlight is where um Smoke meets up with, um you know, his ah former partner there, whose name I am trying to delay looking up on litter box. Annie.
00:49:30
Speaker
I totally remember that. There you go. Uh, it was just like, I think the way that whole interaction went down felt very like forced. It's like, Oh, like these two like had a past romantic relationship. And it's like, like why it's like because we said so another having sex. And it's like,
00:49:49
Speaker
Like, all right, like, you know, i'm I'm glad that we left nothing to the imagination. i agree with you as far as the movie not being too subtle, just with a lot of its approaches and approaches to the allegories I think it's trying to tell. I mean, obviously it's trying to tell a story of...
00:50:07
Speaker
of community and I think hardship within this community and what brings them together and the danger that faced a lot of people in this Jim Crow era.
00:50:18
Speaker
Absolutely. Obviously between like, like Ku Klux Klan and just, And just racism being so ingrained in the South. And from a subtlety standpoint, like one of the scenes that just didn't really work for me was towards the end. And it felt a bit Tarantino of don't remember who it was, if whether a smoker stack.
00:50:40
Speaker
But him kind of going, yeah, smoke going, going hard on the, ah the guy who sold him the barn in the first place and bringing his buddies, doing what they were going to do and smoke kind of going out in a blaze of glory and taking and and taking them all out. Like I didn't need that because to me, I already felt that allegory was there with the vampires. Yeah. Like that's what that was to me. And so that scene felt very shoehorned in and out of place for me.
00:51:11
Speaker
And it kind of, i don't know, it just, it just, it just, so it just soured like in my mouth, in my mouth a bit. Like, Is it cool to look at? Yeah. Love seeing KKK guys getting killed.
00:51:22
Speaker
Love it. But from a subtlety standpoint, I think this movie could have done without it. Like you said, that scene of him with Annie could have done without that, like, or at least some tweaks there.
00:51:35
Speaker
A lot of the things Haley Seinfeld said, I think I could have done without too. I wish we had more of her. too Yeah, i do. I do too. And I think that's why, like looking back on her character, I'm i'm like, everything she said was like, who talks like this? Like, oh, you can rob a bank, but you can't steal this pussy. Like, are you kidding me? I saw you laugh at that. Okay, so I guess that is one of the times where they...
00:52:04
Speaker
Sorry, mom, for being vulgar. as she listen to this i i had thought that the vampire like was going to be an allegory. And I think it was an allegory for, um I think, sort of the like the white society around it kind of leeching off of.
00:52:22
Speaker
the the um like the local black culture. And so that's what I thought the route they were going down with was. And I did not think they committed to it at all.
00:52:33
Speaker
And I think that kind of pissed me off because I think that was the better end. It's all the like it's it's it's all there. that's That's the problem. That's what pisses me off the most is it is all right there. Yeah. And I think Ryan Coogler is very talented. Oh, yeah. think he I think he is going to figure it out. It is hard to write and direct like both.
00:52:53
Speaker
I mean, i can't pretend like I've done it or am ready to do it right now. And so to even get to that point, you have to have a lot of talent. I just think he needed like one other person in the writer's room to be like, let's smooth this out, you know? hmm.
00:53:06
Speaker
And I think I think it would have benefited from, like i said, like from a little bit more salty. Also, the one thing I was a little disappointed to see that they didn't talk about and I thought they were going to was um the the folklore tale of Robert Johnson.
00:53:19
Speaker
Are you guys familiar with that? nope I'm not the yeah the blues singer who sold his soul to the devil for his talent. Oh, okay. They hit on that in Obero The Were Art, though. Yeah. um that Yeah, exactly.
00:53:31
Speaker
And I thought they were going to do that as well. And I was really excited to see that. And it wasn't in there. And that is that is a total personal beef. Yeah. That's not like a real criticism. And I'm not detracting the movie for that, but...
00:53:44
Speaker
That's that's really interesting because the extent of my knowledge, I didn't know that that was like a folklore tale. it's It is a real like urban. I mean, because Robert Johnson was a real guy.
00:53:54
Speaker
Yeah. And I guess the story went that he like showed up to do like a recording somewhere and he was like kind of bad, maybe like mid, like not great, like not good.
00:54:08
Speaker
Nothing that people like would write home about, like very forgettable. And then like he disappeared for like a year or something and then like came back and was like. Talented.
00:54:19
Speaker
it it was like not even like talented, like insane, like so good that this guy had to sell his soul to the devil. Yeah. And so it's like the, the story goes, he met like a devil at the crossroads and he made a deal.
00:54:30
Speaker
Um, and I forget how it ends. I don't remember if anything bad happened, like his later life that would be like, Oh, this is, you know, him, him paying his due. But it, it, I don't know. I thought that would have been a really cool thing to incorporate into this movie because I thought it really fit with the theme of like, yeah, you like the debt, like the devil's coming to face. Yeah.
00:54:48
Speaker
That would be really cool. And the movie opens with um us seeing the aftermath of the juke joint with Sammy walking into the church um into the church with his father. And so when that scene happened, I thought of, oh, brother, where art thou? And I thought of that portion of the story, not knowing that was a folklore, but similarly, I did think that that was a direction that they were going to go, that the devil got a hold of this kid, that it was kind of going in that direction. So I i do think that would have been...
00:55:15
Speaker
something I mean, I mean, the movie's called Sinners. Like what? What's a bigger sin than selling your soul to the devil? I was right there, man. Like it was right there and they didn't take it.
00:55:28
Speaker
And it pissed me off. I was fuming in the theaters, punching my popcorn bowl and going everywhere. One of my favorite scenes is the introduction of Delroy Lindo's character. Yeah, he was awesome. I'm forgetting his name. Delta Slim. del Delta Slim. Yeah. And ah they're trying to get him to play the juke joint.
00:55:46
Speaker
So he's trying to sell him on it. Pulls out a beer to drink it. Oh, what's that? And he's like, oh, you want to try it? He's like, I'll give you 500 of these cold ones if you play tonight and 40 bucks.
00:55:57
Speaker
Hands him the beer and he takes his first sip. He was just. Yeah, his performance was awesome. he Yeah. I know that that was kind of his purpose is to lighten it up a little like him and Cornbread.
00:56:10
Speaker
And I think they did a really great job. The movie was funny. Some balance. Yeah, it was very funny. Yeah. yeah No, I thought I thought a lot of the humor landed. Definitely. It landed with that one guy in the the back corner a lot. Was there someone laughing?
00:56:23
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I think it was like,
00:56:28
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oh, it did sound a little goofy. um I loved his performance. Do you think if instead of the random like irish or whatever vampires they were do you think it would have been better if they were just the kkk like the kkk members were the vampires and that no because i think i think we'd get to the same problem of being too on the nose like i got like i got the allegory already from that with just like of just this parasite infiltrating ah community and taking whatever joy that that that they've built for themselves got it
00:57:06
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I actually think that it could be pulled off really well. I like that idea a lot. I'm going to have But it's like there's only one person I think I could pull it off. And it's Quentin Tarantino because he kind of already did it. Yeah.
00:57:19
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He doesn't want his bastards. I will be very excited to see what Coogler does next, though. Like, dude's got the sauce. Sinners to more sinning.
00:57:32
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Sin to sin to sin to furious. Alright, and it land. As soon as Too Fast, Too Furious comes up, it's time to talk about something else. Damn, it's done. Where did you find this?
00:57:48
Speaker
I barely heard that. Yeah, it's pretty quiet. Turn it up a little bit. I'll pivot to this. um How do you guys think that compared to like other vampire media you've seen?
00:57:58
Speaker
I mean, obviously, Nosferatu is the the biggest one. The most recent vampire movie out there. Besides Sinners. um But like have there ever been any other adaptations that um you kind of compared it to going into that one? From Dusk Till Dawn, for sure.
00:58:15
Speaker
Yep, my mind went there a lot. Yeah. Isn't there a recent movie about a vampire in a boat? Oh, yes. Last Voyage of the Demeter. Last Voyage of the Demeter. Never saw it. Dracula on boat. We went and saw it, Malik, remember? Yeah.
00:58:27
Speaker
Was it good? It's not a great movie, but like it's a good it's a good popcorn movie. Okay. You want to talk about... poor writing. we want If you want to take a little bit of a tangent for a second, that movie, I swear, if you had like seen like any amount of like modern movies, you could guess like half the lines before people said them.
00:58:47
Speaker
ah hu It was literally like like something bad happens and it's like, we're in trouble now. And it's like... I like it's, I um almost wonder if it was um like a trial run at having like an AI write a script.
00:59:02
Speaker
Wait a second. What's Dracula doing on this boat?
00:59:07
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Everybody's turned off the podcast by now. Thank you for still being here. If you're here. Thanks mom. Thanks dad. Do you guys have any other last thoughts for this movie?
00:59:18
Speaker
I feel like I had a lot more to say, but when I try to think about what I want to say, there's nothing. All right. Sinners, vampires, or Twilight vampires? it For what? like well yellow like Am I going to like marry a sinners vampire? Fighting. like oh fighting Yeah, like Michael B. Jordan versus ah Edward. Yeah.
00:59:37
Speaker
Okay. Well, because sinners vampires. Michael B. Jordan versus Nosefraatu. I think Nosferatu clears him. Not if he's Killmonger. No, he's a a vampire Killmonger. That'd be sick. That'd be insane.
00:59:48
Speaker
Nosferatu versus the guys from What We Do in the Shadows. Never seen it. Nosferatu. Okay, but here, I think even Nosferatu clears a Killmonger vampire. Because Nosferatu could, like, teleport and, like, manipulate time, basically.
01:00:02
Speaker
Remember the scene in the castle where he's, like, just shifting around and... yeah Our boy's got no clue what's going on. Like Killmonger doesn't stand a chance. Yeah, I think Killmonger would be too new of a vampire. Nosferatu looks like he's got eons of practice on him.
01:00:17
Speaker
Fair enough. We only see his like romantic side in Nosferatu, but he was a fighter, I'm sure. Yeah. I mean, maybe he wants to woo Killmonger. I could see it.
01:00:29
Speaker
And I think they make good couple. You move into the castle with me. how did How did you guys feel about the... So apparently there was a post-credit scene too. We watched it.
01:00:40
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Not just a mid-credit scene, like a post-post-credit scene. Didn't they turn on the lights though? Yeah, but it doesn't mean that there's not a post-credit scene. Why would they do that? I don't know. What was the post-post-credit scene? I don't know. i haven't looked it up.
01:00:53
Speaker
I don't know if it's out there. No clue. How did you guys feel about the mid-credit scene? don't even remember what happened. yeah i That did not need to be in there. That also did not need to. It's ah showing Sammy older. Chicago?
01:01:05
Speaker
yeah Yeah, playing in Chicago in 92. And then they come and visit him. yeah he's And he's played by ah Buddy Guy. Yeah. Legendary jazz artist. um I think it's probably a good thing.
01:01:17
Speaker
It was in the credits not part of the main movie. i don't think Yeah, I don't i don't think it needed to be there. Probably not. It felt... I don't know. That part felt really cheesy to me.
01:01:28
Speaker
And um I don't know if it was just like the, like the nineties outfits that they came walking with, which I guess is stack. Yeah. Which I'm sure is accurate.
01:01:40
Speaker
I'm sure it was fun. They should have just gone full like kid and play. That would be he had the hair like up to. Yeah. Yeah. I think it's time we get to our ratings. We're going to do our ratings out of 10 because five seems too small.
01:01:53
Speaker
And to get to five, we'll divide our number by two. Who wants to go first? Seven out of 10. That's higher than I thought it would be. There was there was a lot of it that I liked and I can't really give a movie that I enjoyed like less than like a six.
01:02:11
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So. That was pretty well done. Maybe I changed my but my my gut reaction was like a seven. Maybe that's me gaslighting myself.
01:02:22
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We'll never know. We'll never know because it's getting logged. Well, is there anything that we talked about during this recording that like really resonated with you as like, don't know, balancing out a lot of the negative feelings that you had? and Not really. So we didn't convince you of anything.
01:02:36
Speaker
No. Seven is impressive. i don't I don't think they there needs to be convincing. I think a lot of the things that I thought both of you guys have helped kind of clarify that in my head.
01:02:51
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So my initial thought of a rating following the movie has stayed the same. And I'm also going seven out of 10.
01:03:01
Speaker
I had a good time. Hmm. It was a good time. It was a good time. And that's why I will give it an eight. I think like what we, what we said earlier about it being it, having like everything there to make it just truly mind blowing. Like it seems like the consensus is, it just wasn't quite there, but it could have been.
01:03:23
Speaker
Yeah. It could It had certainly had the potential easily. It could have been what we got. i thought was still really good. From a filmmaking standpoint, I thought it was beautiful. It's great to look Shot really well. Yeah.
01:03:36
Speaker
The score was fantastic, too. ah really liked the score. ah Ludwig Gordson was the composer. And I think in the next goes decade and on, we're just going to see him get better and better.
01:03:50
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And we're going to see a living legend kind of being made in front of our eyes. think we're already in that process. Agreed. So... Yeah. Kudos to him. Kudos to the whole, to the whole cast and crew.
01:04:04
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Sinners? Solid movie.
01:04:08
Speaker
I don't understand. Your soundboard usage is so, we're going to get, we're going to get used to it. because I also forget like which button is which, like, I don't know what this one is.
01:04:22
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You knew what that one was. You knew what that one was. I knew what that one was. If you're wondering what ah that averages out to, so Malik and I gave seven, Sachi gave an eight.
01:04:34
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um The official Lost in the Frame rating for Sinners is a 7.33 repeating, of course. Not a bad score. Not a bad score at all.
01:04:44
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I can't wait for the day that we see something and we're so diametrically opposed that this just turns into into like a complete argument. Yeah. but I want like screaming all or just what would do that?
01:04:58
Speaker
Nora. I still need to watch it. and We can, we can fight about Nora. I'll have to rewatch that one. Cool. Well, that was sinners. Um, I had a good time watching this with you guys. It being our first movie seeing in the theaters together as a podcast. And I'm sure there will be many more end off the episode.
01:05:16
Speaker
We could talk a little bit about the results of the draft.
Draft Competition Results and Humorous Exchanges
01:05:19
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Because Tachi was the official winner of the first lost in the frame draft.
01:05:25
Speaker
Thank you, everyone. I'm um gracious and humbled. Tachi blew us out of the water, Alex. yeah it was rigged. I was genuinely surprised.
01:05:36
Speaker
Because i I thought we all had really strong drafts. I didn't. I don't know. Who even voted for mine besides me? Yeah, I should have. I should have had it. i should have had it up, but I'll send you guys like the actual like percentages and who voted for who.
01:05:51
Speaker
But I will I will put myself out there and say i got two votes. ah like Allegiances were <unk>ud I think I got more than you. No, I got last, just so we're clear. Tachi got first, Alex. You got second, and I got last by a lot.
01:06:07
Speaker
Yeah, Malik, who didn't vote for you? Most people, apparently. There's one in particular. Specifically, who didn't vote for you? My mom and my girlfriend. Your mom? Your mom didn't vote for you either? Who did she vote for?
01:06:21
Speaker
For you. Oh my god. Thank you so much. And I told both of them, because I was ah spiraling, I was like, no one's picking my fucking movies. And told both of them, I was like, you both need to vote how are your heart, like, what your heart is telling you. Do not vote for me because because of the relationship.
01:06:38
Speaker
If I win, I win fair and square. You vote for who you need to vote for So they did. and See, I was lobbying for, I paid people to vote for me. And you still lost. I know. that's Clearly, i didn't give 40 bucks and a case of Irish beer. You did get a lot of compliments from my girlfriend's... My girlfriend. My cousin's...
01:07:00
Speaker
husband's friend group. They all love Tron. And a couple of them had Tron tattoos. And we we're talking about it in our family group chat. So you got some, you got some, uh, some fighters there. The Tron delegates are coming through. Yeah.
01:07:12
Speaker
Yeah. Tron heads are strong. Um, I stand by surfs up. I had to fight a few people about that. I had some people agree. Some people say, huh? Steps on me. Steps on me. Are you kidding?
01:07:22
Speaker
This guy was dancing on me. I mean, just look at it. I had to put that in there. Well done. I knew I'd love your mom for a reason. Yeah. Well, congrats, Tachi. Thank you. Enjoy it now because it's not going to happen again Ever?
01:07:36
Speaker
I probably never. We're going to so we're going to make sure if it the Tron heads are going to come to the polls. For the next chapter, we're just going to put ah Amelia Perez for all of Tachi's picks.
01:07:48
Speaker
Please don't. I think that wraps up the episode. Thank you guys so much for listening.
Closing Remarks and Listener Acknowledgments
01:07:52
Speaker
If you're still here, we love and appreciate you. um We understand if you aren't. We do understand if you aren't, but if you're not,
01:08:04
Speaker
we'll find you. Thank you so much for listening. We'll see you in the next one. Thanks, everybody. Bye.