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Lost In The Rage - 28 Days/Weeks/Years Review
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This week on Lost In The Frame, a review on the 28 franchise: 28 Days Later, 28 Weeks Later, and the most recent release 28 Years Later.
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Introductions and Podcast Focus
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7, 6, 11, 5, 9 and 20 miles today, 4, 11, 17, 32 the day before. Boots, boots, boots, boots, moving up and down again.
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There's no discharge in the war. Don't worry. It's us. It's the
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podcast. It's Lost in the Frame. My name's Malik. My name is Alex.
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My name is Tachi. Tachi. That poem scares me. It's terrifying. and It's not great. Whoever's choice that was to put that in the 28 years later trailer.
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Raise. Immediate raise. ah If you could tell from that intro, we are discussing the 28, do we call it the 28 franchise? We're doing 28 days, weeks, and years. But first, how are you guys doing today?
00:00:54
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I'm doing pretty good. Recovering from a long weekend. but What were you up to? was at a ah bachelor party in New Orleans. How is New Orleans?
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Was it? i New Orleans, i so I'm a little biased. My little sister lives there. ah shout out to Delia and some of your friends. I know you guys listen to some of the episodes, so maybe this is one that you pick to listen to.
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um so i go there a lot. And it's one of my favorite cities to visit the United States. um Some of the best food in the country is in New Orleans. um I think the French Quarter and the architecture there is gorgeous.
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So he's got a lot of incredible history. um And it's always a good time. It's always a good time. Nice. Tachi and I have been to New Orleans. Orleans. Orleans. was on the way back from Florida.
00:01:48
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Yeah, we stopped by Café du Monde. For the beignets. Good choice. Yeah, it was a ah a long detour. It was not on the way home. I think we took maybe like an hour, hour and a half detour the wrong way just to go stop at Café du Monde.
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Yeah, because I tend to go north of Lake Pontchartrain. yeah Yeah. Those are tough drives. Yeah, sure. It tough drive, yeah. Tachi, do you remember what happened to me on the way to Florida when I had that panic attack?
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No. You don't? happened? So, I don't know. i was probably like... four or five hours into driving at that point
Introduction to '28 Franchise' and '28 Days Later'
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um and it was late it had to be like the wee hours of the morning like 1 2 a.m everyone was asleep and i was getting sleepy and so i had just drank one of those little five hour energies and then at the same time i had a five hour energy one of the small red bulls and then like 10 minutes later i started drinking i think it's called a full throttle
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And so I'm driving and I'm feeling pretty good. And then my heart just starts racing and my hands are getting like sweaty. I'm kind of like starting to freak out because like my breath is getting short too.
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Like that and everyone's asleep and I look around because i was like okay maybe I just need to talk to someone and everyone's knocked out and so I roll down the window just to get some like fresh air just trying not to freak out and then it woke someone up and then I let them know what was happening and and they switched with me for driving so.
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I don't recall but that sounds ah about right. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't really sound like a panic attack. it sounds like an overdose. or and oh Yeah, I was probably about to die, but we're okay now.
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How are you, Tachi?
Reality Show Insights and 'Love Island'
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I'm doing well. um Ready to get into our discussion. It's a pretty interesting series. It is. Yeah. um Outside of this franchise, you guys been watching anything interesting?
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And or season two on episode four. Nice. I still need to get on it. Yes, you do. It's pretty solid. I'll get there one day.
00:03:52
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I've been watching ah Love Island for the first time. we had We had like two and a half hour long Love Island discussion at the bachelor party. Are you watching it?
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I need to catch up. Okay, I've never seen Love Island. This is my first time. Tachi, we talked about it at poker, but I don't know if you were one of the ones watching it. I've never watched it. No. I think it was Kenny.
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Okay, it was Kenny. um What part are you on, Al? It's so good. Well, i'm I'm not on any part. i need to like I was so intrigued by the discussion that me and one of the other guys there, who was the only other person that hadn't been watching it, apparently, um decided that it was time to watch this.
00:04:32
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So everyone else in the group was watching it? Everybody else in the group was watching it and they had opinions on it. Oh my God. I'm, and when we're done recording, I'm immediately going back. The episode I just got done watching.
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heard it's crazy. It is. It's getting crazy. How much of the drama do you think is manufactured through editing alone versus like organic drama between everyone?
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So this was a bit that came up in the discussion and apparently Love Island is filmed. Like it's just continuously being filmed. Like the episodes are only released like a day after.
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And so it's like pretty minimal editing. I don't know how much they're like directing, but there's not a lot of time in there for them to. Like, oh, really? Like manipulate things? Yeah.
00:05:27
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Okay. Because it's not like a weekly episode thing. um Which it's it's probably, I mean, here's the thing. Like, I'm going to, having never seen an episode of, actually, that's I have seen an episode of love Island once way back when.
00:05:42
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Having seen a few episodes of Love Island back in the day, the kind of people who go on Love Island, I feel like you wouldn't have to like really manufacture the drama.
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You just kind of have to figure out which one to focus on and what narrative to spin from it. Well, from what I've seen, kind of the way that they set up before the show, like once they all kind of get there on the island. So this one's taking place on Fiji.
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Apparently all of the contestants are in a hotel room for two weeks before they actually start filming. And you've got no cell phone, no tv and it kind of makes you kind of go stir crazy. And then obviously when you're at the villa, the only access to phones they have are the phones that the production gives you, which is just for messages from the crew and getting in touch with like the production team and then no TVs. And so it just feels like like they're kind of going crazy, like in a way. So these people are like crashing out, but I'm also like, they've been...
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unplugged from the world for weeks stuck on this island with people like i think i'd crash out too wasn't it the uh the argentinian big brother that had to announce covid to the contestants because they had no idea what was happening yeah i remember seeing clips of that could you imagine dude hey they hit the second tower dude Guys, we tell you what happened outside.
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Two planes hit the World Trade Center. They hit the Pentagon.
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Yeah, I don't think they
Impact of '28 Days Later' on Horror Genre
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do much editing... um much like post-production work, it does seem like the extent of it might be in people's reactions to certain conversations.
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Because like I notice like every now and then like they'll like reuse a clip, but just it's just like someone kind of like like making a face or something like that. But I mean, for the most part, the drama seems it's there, you know?
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It's palpable. It's palpable. Oh, man. I got to get on this. These people are stupid. dominat Maybe I should start, too. Yeah, I think you and Julie would really enjoy it. My roommate gets back from a wedding he was in this week.
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Two boys watching Love Island. It's going be crazy. guys want to get into this franchise? Let's do it. I'm ready. So, what is your guys'... is relationship with 28 days later when is the first time you watched it tell me about it i think i watched it during covid actually with my dad um we used to do like a movie a night because was living at home then and that was one of them that was one of them
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i It had been a movie that I had like always seen in relation to like best horror movies, zombie movies. I just never gotten around to watching it.
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And I became a big Danny Boyle fan ah because Trainspotting. Finally, during COVID, we just got around to to knocking it out and watching it.
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And ah then from there, I didn't watch 28 weeks later until ah yesterday, when right before we went and saw 28 years later.
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so Where did you guys, do you remember where you and your dad watched the show? 28 days later, because this movie for a very long time was infamous for not being available on any streaming services.
00:09:21
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There were no represses of the DVD. So for a good while there, if you hadn't seen it, you had to find a DVD copy of it at your local half price books.
00:09:32
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It was on like, and I, I remember we had this discussion and I always laughed because I watched it. Like, on like Amazon or something for free.
00:09:45
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Like you it was just, it was like so easy to get. It was. And then when I'm like oh why don't like, why don't you just watch it and you're like, i I literally can't watch it. Like I can't find it. For a very long time, you could search it on Amazon and you would it would pop up and it would have the the synopsis and everything, but no option to rent or buy it for a very long time. Sounds annoying.
00:10:10
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I tried. So I had been trying to watch this movie, honestly, for the last two years. And I think that's when I first had the conversation with you, Alex. um I was trying to buy you ah DVD of it, but you did not have a DVD player. Yeah.
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And then anytime I went out to Half Price Books or anywhere that has used DVDs, that'd be the first thing I'd look i'd look for was a copy of 28 Days Later. And finally, like seven months ago, someone put a...
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rip of it on Twitter so I screen shared my phone to my TV and watched it via X and then a few weeks later they ah put it back on Amazon so what's really funny about that is after you watched it on Twitter I found it at Half Price Books it's on Forge that is on Forge What about you, Tachi? When was the first time you saw this movie?
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ah Just recently in preparation for this episode. um Like you, I like zombie content, but um I just kind of heard about it in like as a legend.
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And um it was interesting. I'm ready to discuss it, but Yeah, no no exposure to it until, you know, the past week. I think legend is a great word to use to describe this movie.
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I'll read off the synopsis. Four weeks after a mysterious incurable virus spreads throughout the United Kingdom, a handful of survivors try to find sanctuary. This is directed by Danny Boyle, written by Alex Garland, and stars Cillian Murphy, Naomi Harris, and Christopher Eccleston.
00:11:56
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how many days are in four weeks uh one two three four four seven eight sixteen
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twenty eight no way that's insane how did they do that i don't know that's nuts um Yeah. So legend, I think, is a great word to describe this movie. I had always heard a lot about this as it being kind of a genre-defining zombie horror movie.
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um What do you guys think? Like, how do you feel after the first time you had watched this? Do you think those words kind of hold true to this? um When did this movie actually come out? This was released in 2002. Yeah, 2002. So not...
00:12:41
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yeah two thousand and two so not Not too old. I wouldn't quite call it genre defining. i think it was a refreshing take on the zombie movie.
00:12:54
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Because if you remember, like of the Living Dead was like the starting point of the zombie movie. Every zombie movie can trace its roots back to Night of Living Dead. And then there was a remake of Night of Living Dead that also was apparently pretty good. But I have never seen that.
00:13:08
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um I feel like this, like 20, 28 days later, and don't really have like my timeline. So i'm I'm literally just making things up on this podcast for you, the listener.
00:13:19
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um I feel like 28 days later was like the start of... the new millennia's the zombie era. Like it may have, you know, ushered in and given or like a resurgence to the genre. Cause I believe like ah day of the dead came after this.
00:13:39
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And then the walking dead started couple years after that. Yeah. I guess I would agree with you there because ah i think prior to this, it got does kind of feel like zombie movies were,
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I mean, I don't want to say one note, but I'll say one note, almost one note where you got zombies, they're scary and they're going to like, they're going to you. And this kind of feels like in this point of time to have more than just that one note playing, meaning like having zombies kind of be more of the setting where with, with a, with a deeper theme and, and narrative structure to it. Um, like they're not the only threat.
00:14:17
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Yeah, exactly. Exactly. Like, There's this drama happening with these people that we're supposed to care about. And also the world they live in is infested by by zombies.
00:14:28
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um I don't think they actually use the term zombies until 28 years later, which we'll we'll get to that point. um But correct me if I'm wrong there. I don't think they I think they just I infected. Correct.
00:14:40
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Yeah. I don't remember zombie being used in days or weeks. So to give just a quick summary of this, so I would agree that they're not really zombies. I would lean more towards saying that they're infected for some reason. this So this movie starts off with a chimp on a table, kind of, uh, he's strapped to a table with a bunch of TV screens just showing kind of the horrors of humanity around.
00:15:04
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think it's supposed to kind of evoke an emotion. We've later find out that emotion that these, scientists are testing on his rage so they wanted ah for some reason to find a way to eradicate rage and in doing so you have to have rage in order to like to like learn about it so they're infecting these monkeys with with rage and it gets out these uh people break into this facility to break out these monkeys that are infected the scientist is trying to tell them to stop they don't it starts and then we get the the uh title card for 28 days later
00:15:37
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Yeah, it was... i can i can see when this was released that it could have felt groundbreaking in a few different ways. like Even just... I don't know if this was the first you know media where zombies aren't just slow and groaning and...
00:15:56
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not really that terrifying, but, um, I can imagine, you know, going to the theater, not having any exposure to, or even in an idea that, you know, the undead could, could walk like this or, yeah or move like that run.
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Yeah. Sprint climb, um move like humans. Yeah. That's I, cause I, I lost my, my train of thought on, on where I was going with that, but that's what I was going to say was, uh, yeah, maybe this was,
00:16:24
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kind of in that light of being like the first to kind of define quote unquote zombies in a different way because these people aren't zombies. Like they are defined still as people just with pure rage.
00:16:36
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Right. And so. Danny Boyle actually doesn't consider this a zombie movie himself. Really? Yeah. He does not think it's a zombie movie. What does he say?
00:16:47
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That like he just, it's not a zombie movie. Yeah. He's like, it's not a zombie movie. I agree with him. More like a survival movie. like a survival movie and then like one of the things that he took a lot of inspiration of was like mass social unrest and it says specifically that like he looked in you did a lot of research and what happened to uh sierra leone and rwanda um as like what would happen when you know things just get crazy um which I think is a really interesting take on it. Cause I mean, ah especially Rwanda, cause that feels like a moment in, especially at the time, fairly recent history where, um, it really seems like people were just acting with the most extreme rage.
00:17:35
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Um, I feel like, you know, you pick one moment in history. It's like, Oh, like what's 28 days later, the most liked, I'd probably say that one.
00:17:46
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Um, It's definitely included in there. But I think societal unrest movie would be if I were to not classify it as a zombie movie, that's probably what I would go with.
00:17:59
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I'd agree. um What works here for you guys? I think the urgency to make life altering decisions like on a dime, just keeping your head on a swivel. Like when Killing Murphy's character meets up with no mirrors and the other guy, you're like, okay, this is the trio that's going to like carry you through the movie.
00:18:22
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And then things change instantly. And there's just like instant brutality where if you don't, don't react um you're going to perish so yeah that that caught me off guard and i i really liked it for me i loved how like low budget it looked yeah it was like for gonna be late picture the world felt like it had been stopped for 28 days you know yeah it's like oh here's a crappy video camera we're gonna go follow killian murphy around and
00:18:56
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And he's going to try and survive. um mean, that's really kind of what the vibes felt like. And I thought that really worked for the movie. It definitely... Might look a little goofy, but I think it kind of helped hammer the atmosphere they were going for.
00:19:14
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Yeah, I think it makes I think it definitely makes it stand out in a maybe oversaturated genre um of of being zombie movies. This just kind of and I think the way it looks is a big point of discussion that a lot of people think. have with this and uh listening to danny boyle talk about this movie and and the franchise having that be very intentional they shot this on a basically a camcorder which is like insane um and it looks like it yep it definitely looks like it um anything that doesn't work for you guys
00:19:52
Speaker
I don't think there was anything that stuck out to me as like, this definitely doesn't work. Um, I, I loved the introduction of like the major as a character. i loved the extra dimension he did.
00:20:05
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I feel like my one criticism of of the movie is it almost felt like a little too bare bones. It was like the other side of the coin that I liked how like stripped back it seemed, but I think, yeah, that's the only, uh,
00:20:23
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It's real criticism that I have of it is that it it just felt like it. And this is kind of me just nitpicking. It just felt very like bare bones, you know, like i I don't think that.
00:20:36
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like the world was that fleshed out. um And I know that like it had just happened, but um I feel like in a zombie movie, like ah the world building is, it's key.
00:20:48
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Yeah. um And I just feel like this one, there were there was something missing that I think some of the others had. I think he really starts cooking with gas in the third act. Yeah. Yeah. I agree. there's There's really not much to explore from the beginning until they reach that mansion or whatever it was.
00:21:08
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They were really just trying to get from point A to point B and nothing really... There weren't any like conversations or interactions between characters that made things super interesting other than them just simply trying to survive.
00:21:21
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Yeah, and so I think a lot of people might take that and maybe classify this movie as boring. To those people, I say you're wrong. I say you're say you're dead wrong. I definitely don't think it's a boring movie. No, no.
00:21:31
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That tunnel scene was crazy. yeah Oh my God, when they're trying to get the car. The shadows running out. This movie, like... That was sick. It's funny. I think it's funny to say like how beautifully shot I think this movie is just because the quality looks so bad.
00:21:48
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But this movie is beautifully shot. Danny Boyle is, I think, severely, severely underrated as a director, especially when it comes to his camera work.
00:21:59
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Yeah. I mean, Trainspotting, Trainspotting 2, Slumdog Millionaire, you know, 28 28 years later, they all have... they all have incredible camera work and those are just the ones that i've seen yeah um and the editing choices are very interesting yeah he' like he's got a very like definitive unique style um i feel like every movie i see by him like oh this feels like a danny boyle movie yeah and i love that when a director has like their own personality and is able to blend that in different genres and
00:22:35
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um he is one that I think is very unique because I feel like he makes a lot of non-standard choices. And I think for the most part, it works. Now, I haven't seen Yesterday, which I just have seen get universally destroyed. Danny Boyle directed Yesterday? Yeah. Oh, I didn't know that.
00:22:55
Speaker
Yeah. um Yeah, I've not seen anything good said about that movie. Have either of you two seen it? No. I have no interest. I kind of got to watch it. like I kind of want to have some Danny Boyle like completionism.
00:23:10
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Yeah. You seen Sunshine? I haven't seen Sunshine. Oh, you're going to love Sunshine. Have you guys seen a Trainspotting 2 yet? No. That one's gas. I love that. I love Trainspotting 2.
00:23:22
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He directed that one as well? He did. He did. Any final thoughts before we get before we give our ratings so we can jump to Weeks? I think this movie works really well as a standalone movie.
00:23:36
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I think so too. Um, if there had never been another 28 movie, like I wouldn't have thought we lost something.
00:23:47
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Hmm. Yeah. you guys think the performances? I think Christopher Elston blew it out of the water. Oh yeah. So memorable. performance I didn't like the daughter, the daughter,
00:24:01
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Yeah. Unbearable. It could have been better, but it's okay. Dad, where are we going to go?
00:24:13
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mole hates British people confirmed. I'm glad that this virus is just in the UK. I'm joking. Oh, that's my... We'll talk about that in a bit. What?
00:24:25
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ah I just think it's hilarious that like canonically this virus has only like really affected the United Kingdom. We could talk about that with 28 weeks.
00:24:36
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Yeah. Let's give her quick ratings of 28 days. I'll give this 4 out 5. I'll give it a 3.5.
00:24:44
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i'll give it a three point five I'll go with Tachi. I'll give it like 3.5 out of 5. So I gave it... I haven't logged any of these on my Letterboxd since we were doing this episode.
00:24:54
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The first time I watched it, I did give it a 3.5. I had talked about watching a rip of it on Twitter, screen shared from my phone to my TV. So I don't think that really helped the already bad quality.
00:25:07
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But ah yeah, just watching this again. um i think this movie i think this movie is gas. The score is so sick too. like i was I remember first watching it and I was kind iffy on the score. like It felt very... Yeah, because it sounds like you were listening to it compressed through a toaster oven. Yeah, it just... it just I don't know. It just gave me like weird 2000s, we made this at home vibes.
00:25:31
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And then I watched it again and it still gives me that vibe, but in a positive way. It's interesting. You've been so good at... I guess acknowledging the score. Almost always when I watch a movie, I'm not even listening to it.
00:25:45
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like It's not even part of the experience for me unless it's like really, really prominent. like Yeah. i think and and And it wasn't always like this.
00:25:56
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And I think it is something you have to learn because I'll still catch myself like... forgetting like what a movie score was and then maybe that's just like the fault the movie maybe the score wasn't that good but i do think it adds just an extra layer like it's just helping build that world and kind of like enveloping you into it um so it's a very like i think you just got to be really intentional when trying when trying to listen to it but it pays dividends We're eating good tonight.
00:26:25
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For sure. I'd have no problem re-watching it. like it's It's a good movie. ah Agreed. And so you guys both gave it 3.5? Yeah. yeah All right. Let's move to 28 Weeks.
00:26:37
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All right. 28 weeks later, ah released in 2007. Six months after the original epidemic, the rage virus has all but annihilated the population of the British Isles.
00:26:49
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Nevertheless, the U.S. Army declares the danger passed, and American soldiers arrive to restore order and begin reconstruction. That definitely was the plot of the movie. That is the plot of the movie. This...
00:27:01
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So I used to see this, I feel like this has been on Hulu for a while, but for some reason this poster gives me um like direct to Blockbuster s sequel vibes. Walmart bin vibes. You know what i mean? Yeah, like they make it they make they make the original and then the second gets made, but it never gets released in theaters and it's just, yeah, direct to the Walmart bins.
00:27:23
Speaker
red box A red box kind of movie. Yeah, that's the vibe that this poster gives me. Like, I actually hate this poster. It could be better. Yeah. This one was not directed by Danny Boyle and also not written by Alex Garland.
00:27:38
Speaker
I do believe Danny Boyle was on board as an executive producer. He did not direct this because of other conflicts that he had, and he was actually making Sunshine at the time.
00:27:49
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So Cillian Murphy wasn't available, and then the other two in our main cast in 28 Days Later also had other conflicts. But this one was directed by Juan Carlos Fresnadillo, who directed Damsel.
00:28:04
Speaker
I remember that one. The what's her face from stranger things. 11 came out on like Netflix last year. Millie Bobby Brown. Millie Bobby Brown. Yeah. the The three movies that he's directed besides 28 weeks later.
00:28:17
Speaker
Couldn't tell you what they are. Me neither. Sorry. I didn't even touch the cast, but Robert Carlyle, Rose Byrne, Jeremy Renner. So not no names.
00:28:29
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Yeah, I was actually surprised. Love me some Robert Carlyle. Also a ah Danny Boyle alumni under Trainspotting. Nice. i So to be completely honest, my expectations for this were on the ground.
00:28:44
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And I kind of wasn't excited to see it because I had that thought that it was just like a direct to blockbuster sequel. And then I saw Jeremy Renner was attached. And I said, OK, it can't be that bad. and And just elbow popped up.
00:28:54
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And I was like, all right, I'm kind of locked in for this. you It was, yeah, a pretty deep cast. um Imogene Poots. A very young Imogene Poots. Yeah. um Still the the greatest name of any actress ever.
00:29:08
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um But yeah, she appeared in this one. um Took me a second to realize it was her. What's she famous for? mean, the first thing I ever saw her in was Need for Speed. Is that the one with Aaron Paul?
00:29:20
Speaker
Yeah. Nice. I'm sure they regret that. I feel like she could have been like popular, but her agent... Hates her. Hates her.
00:29:31
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It's probably the same agent that Jenna Ortega has. I feel like she had a moment for like like a blink in like the late 2000 teens and then nada.
00:29:43
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Like I know I've heard the name but I don't... have anything to attach it to She's in Popstar. Really? Yeah, she's the one who marries Andy Samberg oh sit with the wet with the wedding with Seal. Yeah.
00:29:55
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And she's like, when I was a little girl, I used to see the magazines and I loved the celebrities. And I knew when I grew up, I wanted to be a celebrity. What a great movie. um she send you lunch I feel like she lost her spot to what's her name? Lily Collins.
00:30:15
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There's only so much room in Hollywood for UK actors with a gap tooth. Yeah. Was Lily Collins. i don't even think Lily Collins is the one I'm thinking of. She even British.
00:30:26
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Yeah. No, Lily Collins the one. Yeah. little Lily Collins is British, but um I think that's American actress.
00:30:37
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She's I think British American. oh British. OK, yes. That's not a thing. bad. my ben i always get and I always get Lily Collins confused with Lily James.
00:30:51
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Oh. Lily James has the... Imogene Poots just got completely lost because of those two. like If you had thrown Imogene Poots Baby Driver, i don't think anything would have changed.
00:31:04
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Would have been the same movie. Let's get back to 28. Yes. Very different vibes. um This one was much less centered around survival as it was little more action based.
00:31:16
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I think just simply due to American military. But some yeah, we're always fucking everything up. It definitely felt like an American movie too. It did. It did. Like for 28 days and then later on 20 years, they feel very UK heavy.
00:31:34
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And then it just felt like the heavy hand of America just reached its way into this and kind of wanted to to overshadow it. And I think it, I think it hurts the movie to be completely honest.
00:31:44
Speaker
Part of me almost thought it felt like some kind of war commentary. Like that's kind of the vibe I got. I could see that. Yeah. Because this would have been right but right around the time the Iraq war was getting really unpopular because this was post-Saddam assassination. It came out 2007, right?
00:32:04
Speaker
yeah I think Saddam was hung in 06.
00:32:09
Speaker
Hanged. Hung is not the ah proper term. Saddam was hanged in 06. And so still being there in 07 would means that that's right around the time it was getting super unpopular to be there.
00:32:24
Speaker
the it that I mean, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt kind of like that's what the movie was almost trying to go for. I didn't think it worked, but in any stretch of the imagination, but I was like, this feels like, like anti-American army.
00:32:42
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i So i I agree with you. um i don't think I can say it didn't really work for me because I think I appreciated that they were still almost in the same vein of 28 Days Later trying to take this risk in having a zombie movie be the background.
00:33:03
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Like, I think this could have gone a lot more quote unquote mainstream, which I think it dips its toes into, but it still kind of has like that additional commentary on it. And so it didn't completely work for me, but I don't, I didn't hate it.
00:33:20
Speaker
Same. I think the problem for me is especially with like, I'll start with the things that I actually liked in this movie a lot. Okay. um I think some of like the night battle scenes, especially involving fire, the color grading and the contrast was awesome.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. But it looks sick. um I think the gore in this was done really well. um I don't think it aged particularly poorly in terms of the effects.
00:33:55
Speaker
And I think the soundtrack, that song, pretty iconic. Yeah. I feel like it was in every, like... late 2000s like ghost slash Bigfoot slash like conspiracy YouTube video that was made in like blender.
00:34:14
Speaker
Wait, what song? Hum it for us.
00:34:18
Speaker
Oh, I'm getting in camera shy. um The one where it's like, to do do, do, do. Okay, yeah. Yeah, the the main theme that. I wanted you to do it to jog my memory, not to. Yeah. I thought you just bullying me.
00:34:33
Speaker
No. Dance for us, monkey.
00:34:39
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No, there was um part of the final sequence in the dark was one of my favorite yeah parts of the movie. And i really wish that was done so well. It was my opinion. sick It was so scary.
00:34:54
Speaker
Yeah. It was actually scary. It was just, yeah, it was it was gripping to just have her try to guide the kids through the subway tunnel, through the scope of a night vision.
00:35:06
Speaker
Right. She's like, oh, go right, go right, go right. And just, oh my God. And then like stepping on everything. and Yeah. The jump scare I thought was really effective. I wanted more of that. Me too. I thought that was really cool.
00:35:18
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It reminded me of ah another like 2010s movie, Quarantine. oh Y'all remember that? in the tail routine yeah that's That's the vibe it gave me and I was i was on board. You know Quarantine was ah a remake of a Spanish movie called Wreck?
00:35:34
Speaker
Yes. I've seen Wreck. I think they're both really good. They're both really good. Quarantine's the first horror movie that ever truly scarred me. Yeah. And it starts from the beginning with Miss Espinoza. Yep.
00:35:45
Speaker
And it doesn't let up. See, that was one of those ones that you would watch like in middle school with your friends. Yes, I was forced into it. Redbox core. like Like, oh, it's on there. they're trying of like pro The Strangers, I think, is the same category. Yes. I remember seeing it on Redbox. I'm like, I still really like The Strangers.
00:36:07
Speaker
I like The Strangers a lot, too. Yeah. um What was I going to say? How do you guys feel about the kids in this and their decision to fuck up the world? Dude, this is where the movie, that's where the movie fell apart. yeah how does the How does that work for you guys? No.
00:36:20
Speaker
No? It ah felt a little ham-fisted. Like, they were climbing on a bridge inches away from soldiers that somehow didn't notice them.
00:36:31
Speaker
Yeah. Come on. Come on. i I was like, what the fuck are these kids doing? My other, my other problem with that was it didn't even take them like one day.
00:36:43
Speaker
Like they got in, went to bed, woke up and immediately were like, we're going to break the rules. Yeah. Right. If it had been like a time sequence of them getting like really bored or something I would have gotten it. It was just like, okay, we have to get to like the plot.
00:36:59
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like We're not going to let develop. We're just going to drive straight there. Yeah. yeah Like it's been about six months. You're off in America while your parents are back home fighting this virus.
00:37:10
Speaker
Like I would not leave my dad or my mom the next day. Absolutely not. For clothes and toys. Like, are you kidding Like, I know that there's decisions that need to be made to push the plot forward.
00:37:23
Speaker
I get it. I don't watch a movie to be like, this isn't realistic. But it come it gets to a point, you know? It could it could have been solved in like a montage. Yeah. you had added five minutes to the movie, it could have ended up working.
00:37:37
Speaker
Yeah, I just did not care for the relationship between the kids and the father. Well, I think that that... So the movie opens with the scene. And if you're going to watch one scene in the movie, think it's opening The opening scene is yeah great. Best part of the movie. yeah It is the, I think one of the, one of like two or three scenes that Danny Boyle directed.
00:38:03
Speaker
because oh really? He did direct the opening scene. And I know he directed ah few other moments of the movie, but I don't remember which ones. It did feel like a different.
00:38:15
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it's It's a completely different experience. yeah Huge shift 10 minutes into it. Yeah. um And this that scene sets up an incredible movie for me.
00:38:27
Speaker
A movie about like guilt and And shame and survival. I think the twist with the mom actually being alive, I was like, okay, like they're going to do it. They're going to do it.
00:38:40
Speaker
And then they, they throw it away in five minutes. Oh my God. They, this movie lost me in the writer's room. yeah I was appalled, shaken, insulted.
00:38:52
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i was rooting for the zombies. Yeah. Yeah, I think there were definitely better ways to reunite them. And I think there were definitely better ways to have that first conversation.
00:39:07
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Like, that was kind of ridiculous. it will it And it wasn't just, it wasn't believable at all. No. Like, I'm not a fan of the dad's performance in this movie. He sang all of this with, like, a, like, I know some people, like, smile or laugh when they're kind of uncomfortable. But, like, it just came across so, like, disingenuous. He was, like, telling his kids with a smile on his face, basically.
00:39:28
Speaker
Your mom died. Oh. oh it She's gone. It was strange, for sure. It's just strange choice after choice after choice. um i do I am a fan of Jeremy Renner being in this.
00:39:42
Speaker
Oh, me too. Gotta say. We're Renner maxing on this podcast. Dude, if only there was an app where we could talk all things Jeremy Renner. I would download that I mean...
00:39:56
Speaker
I agree, because I just don't feel like i get Jeremy Renner updates. Can you imagine if that app was still a thing? i wish it was. When he got crushed by the snowplow. It's actually a really sad story. I was watching him. know. It's like, like or he almost died. We almost lost him.
00:40:12
Speaker
i know. and But imagine like getting the update from your Jeremy Renner app. It's like, Jeremy's not doing good, guys. i used to always... um I forgot what podcast it was, but his opening was the intro to a Jeremy Renner song.
00:40:33
Speaker
going to play it for you guys real quick. Wait, a Jeremy Renner song? Oh, he makes music. Nice. Oh my God. Maybe this can be our opening from now on. Ready? I've heard this song before.
00:40:54
Speaker
That's him. That's him. That's the renter. I can feel it. Does he just go by like Jeremy Renner? It's just Jeremy Renner. There's the profile picture is black and white. There's like a furniture art store or something in Austin. like a boutique, I think, called the Renner Project. Oh, I've been there.
00:41:13
Speaker
Very expensive. My dad and I have been driving past that. I live in Austin for, what, eight years now? We drive past that all the time. We only refer to it as the Jeremy Renner Project.
00:41:24
Speaker
it's ah It's actually... No, I don't know. Maybe there's two. But there is one right next door to the location of Callback. Yeah, that's the one I'm talking about. That's the one? Yeah.
00:41:35
Speaker
Hella expensive. It's like... It's like, I think it's run by just a handful of people. What is it? I've never been in. It's just secondhand furniture from around the world. From around the world.
00:41:47
Speaker
Like they travel and they bring credenzas from 1846 back. There's some cool shit in there. say i might have go in. But it's the most expensive store I've ever been in.
00:42:01
Speaker
so Sounds neat. Yeah. Sponsor us the Renner Project. Give me a chair. Just the chair. I'll sit in it and record. be good advertising. I mean, we're, we have tens of listeners. Don't tell us of us.
00:42:19
Speaker
i I want to shout out one amazing scene in this. So this, the Jeremy Renner's friend, the pilot, he's from Lost.
00:42:30
Speaker
um Dick. Huge asshole. But he's got one of my favorite scenes in this with the horde of zombies running towards a group of people. And he tips the helicopter as he's flying it towards the horde of zombies and just chops them to bits.
00:42:48
Speaker
And it's so sick. Hell yeah. It's wild. You kind of got to just look it up. It's yeah, it's the the biggest hell. Yeah, it got for me.
00:42:59
Speaker
if If you've never seen this movie and if you don't want to watch the opening 10 minutes and the helicopter scene and it should be good. And then you're good.
00:43:10
Speaker
First 10 minutes, final 20 minutes. What happens at the OK, so yeah, let's get to the ending. So the kids get to the helicopter And they fly away. Yep. They're saved. They're saved. And then we get another 28 days later.
00:43:23
Speaker
And we see zombies running. What's that in the background? The Eiffel Tower. They spread. Les French. Les zombies. Because they ran through the the channel. They ran through the channel. Whatever it's called.
00:43:36
Speaker
The channel. Yeah, so yeah as we're the channel yes afterre getting to 28 years later, it seems that has been retconned from Danny Boyle.
00:43:48
Speaker
He says that the disease did not spread to Europe. Well, he says that it they did, but but they pushed back. So he didn't agree with it. He always wanted it to stay contained in the UK.
00:44:00
Speaker
So he didn't agree with the choice to have it spread to Europe and immediately like shut it down in the opening like... minute of 28 years. He's like, screw these people specifically. yeah So i was like, okay, cool. I'm, I'm, I'm cool with that.
00:44:12
Speaker
So now the the Brits are back to being just rage, angry. Any final thoughts on 28 weeks later? do you guys want to give you your a rating?
00:44:24
Speaker
It has some highlights, but pretty massive lowlights. Yeah, I think overall, I think it's fine. Yeah, there's, yeah, there's a lot of frustrating, parts of the writing for sure but i think it does have enough sauce to to keep me entertained like i had a good time watching it but it's not gonna it's not gonna be my favorite yeah for sure i'm gonna give this a three justice for the mom she she had a rough go of it um yeah i'll go three as well real quick oh go and give your Alex rating and then i'll say my question yeah three out of five six out of ten
00:45:00
Speaker
Was it also like kind of part of the infected cannon that spit is part of it? Or was it just like bile? like I think it's... It makes sense.
00:45:11
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, because rabies is in the spit too. Okay. I didn't like that kissing scene. That was really weird. I just didn't like the whole scene altogether.
00:45:25
Speaker
it This needed more Idris Elba. think it could have done with some rewrites. A little bit more Jeremy Renner. Get rid of the dad.
00:45:36
Speaker
I feel like if Danny Boyle directed it'd be a lot better. yeah More spooky tunnel. Maybe yesterday. if this was If this was filled with the hell yeahs of the helicopters and the and the frights of the tunnel.
00:45:49
Speaker
And napalm. And more napalms. Right. This could have been a sick movie. But I think it's good. Not great. We all gave it three out of five?
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah. yeah We're about to get to 28 years later. We are going heavy into this with spoilers. So if you have not seen it, pause this, go watch it, and come back.
00:46:15
Speaker
seven never I will make you guys listen to that again. Boots. Boots. oh Boots. There's no discharge in the war. What a creepy Rudyard Kipling poem.
00:46:29
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Yeah. Take us 28 Alex. 28 years later, in 28 days, it began, in 28 weeks, it spread, and in 28 years, it evolved. 28 years since the rage virus escaped a biological weapons laboratory, now still in a ruthlessly enforced quarantine, some have found ways to exist amidst the infected.
00:46:52
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One such group lives on a small island connected to the mainland by a single, heavily defended causeway. When one member departs on a mission into the dark heart of the mainland, he discovers secrets, wonders, and horrors that have mutated not only the infected, but other survivors as well.
00:47:11
Speaker
Directed by... our good friend Danny Boyle, starring Alfie Williams, Aaron Taylor-Johnson, Jodie Comer, Ray Fiennes, and everyone's star of the year, Jack O'Connell.
00:47:27
Speaker
We'll get to Jack. We'll get to Jack. We'll get to Jack. um We watched this together yesterday. i was very excited to see this. This trailer is one of my favorites in recent memory.
00:47:40
Speaker
Trailer kicks complete ass. yeah Yeah. This was top 10 for sure most anticipated of the year for me. I was stoked for this movie.
00:47:51
Speaker
So my my hopes were high going in because I was ah the thing that excited me the most was Danny Boyle being back directing this franchise and kind of picking up where 28 had kind of dropped off.
00:48:03
Speaker
And I was yeah. And Alex Garland back in the in the writer's seat. Yep. I feel like there's a lot of talk about Alex Garland. People either love him or hate him.
00:48:15
Speaker
I love him. i love him too. love him. He's got one. He's got one flop for me. I have not seen that flop, and so he's got no flops for me. You you know the flop?
00:48:26
Speaker
What's the flop? Men. Oh. Yeah, you're right, Alex. like I need to see men, though. The things I've heard about men are... I need to see men. That is a flop, but everything else he's done, i love so much more.
00:48:38
Speaker
So, he's a winner in my eyes. There was a lady in our theater who kept sneezing. Did you hear that, Tachi? I did not. Well, she wasn't sneezing. She kept like going like...
00:48:52
Speaker
like She was sneezing, but instead of like sneezing, she was like... was like the sneezing when you're trying to be quiet and hold it back, but noise still comes out. There was maybe a 10-minute stretch in the movie where she had to have sneezed like 17 times. And Alex and I looked at each other, and I was like, this woman needs to get it together.
00:49:15
Speaker
Here's the other problem with the theater experience we had. I don't know if you noticed this. The woman next to me who was not the sneezer... um Every time something on screen would happen that was like even remotely like, oh, this could get like hairy.
00:49:34
Speaker
She would like. Like shaking her seat and like sprint to stick her ear or fingers in her ears. And I was like.
00:49:46
Speaker
Why did you come to this? Like what? Could have possibly. Possessed you. If you react that way to this kind of movie.
00:49:57
Speaker
Maybe she was dragged there. It was a dare. I dare you. i like What if they were just like. oh Let's just pick a random movie and go see it. And it's 28 years later. Real quick before we get into the movie. I'm on IMDB looking at the top cast.
00:50:12
Speaker
The profile picture for Jimmy's sister. Her picture is a guy from Fortnite. wait
00:50:22
Speaker
that's insane wait a minute um i we're gonna fact check this live on the air it's a black man from fortnight and she's definitely a white woman right oh sorry siri yeah
00:50:46
Speaker
Um, lastney on the topic of the cast, let's talk about these performances. This person has nothing else, though. I don't know why it's a Fortnite picture. Maybe that's why. Aaron Taylor Johnson. How are we feeling?
00:51:00
Speaker
I like Aaron Taylor Johnson. Yeah, I've always liked him. Yeah. feel like he's misunderstood sometimes. I think so, too. mean, his dating life is a bit weird. But besides that, don't think he's that misunderstood.
00:51:12
Speaker
Yeah, we need him to break up with grandma.
00:51:18
Speaker
but he trying to be the president of France?
00:51:25
Speaker
Jodie Comer. Great. I haven't seen much. Yeah, I problems with her. um i really liked her in the bike riders last year. How was that? They scared of us.
00:51:36
Speaker
Is it good? I liked it. I liked it. I think I liked it probably more than the average person did because it's like a... Because it's motorcycles. Yeah, because it's motorcycles. um And I... It was a very non-standard story. and I was kind of i think expecting something a little more linear, but it's it's based off a... yeah um Like a ah photography book about rebel motorcycle gangs.
00:52:02
Speaker
And so that's kind of what the movie felt like, but I liked it. I'd give it a watch. Definitely. I don't think it's a waste of time. Cool. Good performances too. So we have, we haven't talked about this movie with each other yet.
00:52:16
Speaker
Right. Yeah. if not Not at all. Not at all. I had to, i had to leave. Okay. What are your guys' initial thoughts and feelings coming out of this? i Just go back for a second. I loved the entire cast. I really think every performance was great.
00:52:36
Speaker
Stop stalling. um Initial thoughts. A lot of great things. A few things that didn't work for me. Okay.
00:52:48
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We'll get into those. Yeah, but ultimately loved it.
00:52:55
Speaker
Oh, I'm in the same, I'm in a similar boat to Tachi. I'm very excited to hear about what didn't work for you. I wonder if there's some alignment there or some disagreements.
00:53:07
Speaker
um Like we said earlier, I was very excited for this. Walking out of it during it, I just...
00:53:17
Speaker
I had a really good time with this. I know this movie is going to be divisive kind among audiences, especially the last 10 minutes, the last 30 seconds, the last 30 seconds.
00:53:30
Speaker
But I can confidently say that I loved this movie. As I said before, this was top 10 most anticipated for me for the year, maybe even top five.
00:53:44
Speaker
A big Danny Boyle fan, so my expectations were high. um And I liked the cast. And, um you know last time Danny Boyle did a ah ah movie that was a sequel that maybe no one asked for years later, i loved it.
00:54:02
Speaker
And watching this movie, those expectations were met. Let's go. Nice. We're aligned. Man, you had me. I was like, come on. I was a little nervous. one When did it get so dark in your room, by the way?
00:54:16
Speaker
When the sun set. Oh.
00:54:20
Speaker
Gotta save the electricity bill. It was expensive last last month. So he's in that tunnel from 28 weeks.
00:54:28
Speaker
I just have boots playing in the background. I'm trying to set this. ah st Yeah, that's my alarm in the morning. That would be not to digress, but Halloween party. And every so often you just throw boots into the the queue of music. Hell no. I'm going to be the alpha for Halloween, by the way.
00:54:48
Speaker
One thing I think we need to touch on before we talk about what works and what doesn't work in this movie is there is there's some crazy hog action. A lot of Wayne. lot. I think this is the time we can use the word hung. Yeah.
00:55:02
Speaker
yeah Like days later, more like twenty eight inches later
00:55:12
Speaker
ah Kudos, Alpha. Oh, God. Congratulations. it wins
00:55:19
Speaker
That train scene, I mean, damn. We get it. multiple Multiple reasons to be scared in that train. Multiple. um Here's what works for me.
00:55:31
Speaker
The backdrop, the theme of this being a coming of age movie with Spike played by Alfie Williams, who gave ah stellar performance. agree Like maybe one of the best child performances I've seen in the, in, in recent years did, did not have the expectation of this kind of leaning into, to that coming of age vibes, but, but I'm a sucker. I'm a sucker for stories like this stories about fatherhood, motherhood,
00:55:58
Speaker
growing out of innocence um really get me. And that's not what I expected for this. So that was a great surprise. And I think it executed it very well. um Like we said, all of the performances were fantastic. Jody Comer...
00:56:14
Speaker
might be my pick for my favorite performance in this. I've already seen some people say that they really enjoy the first half of this movie and not so much the second half. And for that, I say, grow up and go hug your mom.
00:56:28
Speaker
um I think it was very powerful. I found myself very emotional on particular scenes and but just really drove it home for me. Yeah, I really wanted to call my mom after this movie. I'm not going to lie.
00:56:44
Speaker
It was, yeah, parts of it was really tough to watch. um It doesn't really surprise me, though, that that's, you you know, kind of the consensus that the first half is more well-liked.
00:56:58
Speaker
But I didn't mind the dramatic shift in tone and theme. It was pretty nice, actually. Not at all. like it was It was a very nice surprise. And i I'm very excited that that we have this movie um and that Danny Boyle came back, going back to 28 Days Later.
00:57:18
Speaker
I think we all agreed that the third act of that movie kind of really kicks it into third gear for us. And so I feel like after two decades away from this franchise, Danny Boyle really brought the heat and kind of turned that feeling up to 11.
00:57:37
Speaker
One of the things I think the general audience isn't aware of. And so if you're, if you watch this movie and you're a little confused by the tonal shift, ah this is the first part of a trilogy.
00:57:48
Speaker
Yes. um So think of this as almost like in the sense that like Dune was the first half of the book. This is the first third of the book. Yes.
00:57:59
Speaker
And that's truly what it felt like. It almost felt like the beginning of like almost like a myth. Hmm. I saw someone on Letterboxd describe it that way, and I really wholeheartedly agree with them.
00:58:17
Speaker
They... It felt like, yeah, like a story you would read, like a like a fable or a parable, maybe something from like, you know, Arthurian legend. If you want to go like sort of like the local route.
00:58:32
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um um I'll throw another movie in there that it kind of reminded me of was The Green Knight. um You know, different stage of life, but a similar kind of journey and coming of age.
00:58:49
Speaker
that obviously spikes a little younger than Sir Gawain, but, um, cause it just, the whole movie feels so surreal. And I think the way that Danny Boyle shoots it lends to that as well.
00:59:03
Speaker
Um, like 28 weeks and 28 days later, both felt like, you know, very grounded movies. They felt like, real this one felt almost like like an alien world yeah this is a society that's been isolated for 28 years and they do things a lot differently life is a lot simpler there's no technology they live on an island and you know to them the mainland is this you know vast expanse full of like horror And there's legends in there.
00:59:36
Speaker
um You know, the doctor, the alphas, um which actually I thought for the whole movie were Arthur's named after King Arthur. Aaron Taylor Johnson's accent is is that thick that I was like, oh, like that's a pretty neat way to refer to him as their King Arthur leading the Knights of the Roundtable.
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah, it's alpha. So I was a tad disappointed it wasn't Arthur. Like this is supposed to be like England today. And it's a completely like different world.
01:00:07
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And that is for me, what worked the most is the world building in this movie is, uh, in the tier. I'm not going to say it's on par.
01:00:19
Speaker
Um, cause it's, it's two different, uh, yeah two different sources that you know and i might get flamed if i were to equate them uh this world building is on par with dune in that same tier The world that this sets up is so vast and so full of just different twists and turns.
01:00:42
Speaker
It feels so lived in and so robust that the only thing that I can think in in the last 10 years that equates to this, that's like the the first movie, because this is like the start of a trilogy, is Dune.
01:00:58
Speaker
I think you make a really good point with the world building and the fantastical element. And I think Alex's Alex Garland's hand is obviously very heavy with that.
01:01:11
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If we look at his filmography, the last 10 or so years, he's very much leaning more into that fantastical realm. And I think that coupled with kind of the grittiness of Danny Boyle just made for like an amazing, like theatrical experience and, and an amazing movie.
01:01:34
Speaker
Yeah. That, that journey between Spike and his mom felt a little Lord of the Rings ask the way that they were, you know, traversing the countryside, having,
01:01:46
Speaker
scary moments here and there where you know their lives were on the line um it was so beautiful watching them travel and go through you know the the trials that they had it was and i was just like like i found myself like i do really enjoy the the the first half of this movie i think it's integral to to spike's character having like just watching his innocence almost like be destroyed like in front of our eyes and seeing seeing him realize that his father's not who he thinks he is and kind of wanting to step up and take that role um of the male figure in the household and and take care of his mom and take care of his family and and do what needs to be done.
01:02:31
Speaker
So one, I think that's heartbreaking. And then, yeah, to kind of get that juxtaposition of the journey with his with his mother and him becoming that safe space for her um while she's going through these delusions from the cancer that she has to the point where she feels safe enough with him that she's getting flashbacks of being with her father and how her father made her feel.
01:02:56
Speaker
And so the difference between how her father made her feel versus how Spike's father made him feel, but Spike being that figure to his sickly mother now was just, oh, no.
01:03:09
Speaker
Yeah, it was really well done. great And I really liked the the outside perspective of how that relationship seems when um Eric is introduced.
01:03:21
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That was one of the highlights of the movie to me. He was hilarious. i Because i once Eric is introduced, like I forget that this is now. like This is set in now.
01:03:32
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And yeah, I think he brought a, yeah, like a grounded element to it. Yeah. He's like, what's happening? And a lot of and a lot of comedic relief, pulling out the phone and showing him his ex.
01:03:45
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That was, I thought that was excellent. Yeah, I loved that bit too. And I liked how like they kind of did a really nice way of acknowledging that like this kid is just, he's living in 1840. Yeah.
01:04:00
Speaker
yeah And, you know, it didn't go so heavy handed into explaining like the world and that. Like, oh, they're they're really far behind technologically. It's like... I feel like we have a reliance on like an over-reliance these days where like studios will hit us with just explaining every little detail of something. And this movie was not that.
01:04:21
Speaker
And that was just, it just, whenever I see one in theaters, I always just, I have to take such a deep breath because it's the cleanest air I've breathed in. However long it's been seeing a movie that does that.
01:04:33
Speaker
I'm dying. I'm literally dying. Yeah. This was very refreshing. And this is, This seems like a pretty big conversation. This seems like a pretty big movie. So it's very refreshing to see something of this magnitude take these swings and really stand out in a crowd.
01:04:51
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So what didn't work?
01:04:54
Speaker
What doesn't work?
01:04:57
Speaker
i I think I understand the intent behind the... Basically, the the whole first act of the movie is interjected with quick clips of, um I guess, like ancient warfare, sometimes modern warfare, but but essentially it's just...
01:05:19
Speaker
just really shoving in your face, these visuals of, of war audio clips that are just like really meant to stress you out. Um, sometimes it felt like a little too much.
01:05:33
Speaker
I guess I see what they were trying to do. um I definitely felt very overwhelmed, overstimulated sometimes kind of like what they did in warfare a little bit by amping up the volume a ton.
01:05:47
Speaker
um, And then drastic, truly drastic tonal switch from as soon as you know they they get away from the alpha on the causeway to when the second act starts.
01:06:02
Speaker
It's like that goes away entirely and it's just almost peaceful with just Spike and his mom. um That's a fair point. So in some ways, I like i i get and appreciate like how the first act is a little more stereotypical of a zombie movie.
01:06:20
Speaker
pretty cool zombie kills. Um, stress is really high. They're just trying to survive, get through, you know, their, their hunting session, but I didn't love how much,
01:06:35
Speaker
it was kind of taking me out of the movie a little bit. You know what mean? Yeah. Do you think that might be an issue that could be fixed with the next two movies? Maybe looking at this a bit more cohesively as a trilogy?
01:06:47
Speaker
I think so. Yeah. Okay. I do think that, I think that is a really good, that is a really good point. Um, It is, you kind of get whiplash between acts one and two with the shifts of tone between them. So I think as an audience member, you have to be like, you gotta be pretty locked in and on board and just along for the ride with what's happening.
01:07:09
Speaker
And I think it's really, really easy to lose ah good chunk of your audience in doing so, which creates a lot of divisive conversations, which this movie is doing exactly that. So I think that's a very fair point.
01:07:25
Speaker
the The one thing I will say is as far as the um like those scenes being interspliced in ah for the second one, we probably won't see that because it's it's ah not a Danny Boyle directed film, which has me concerned, but we'll get into that.
01:07:39
Speaker
I want to talk about that. You will see it in the third. That is just that that is a thing Danny Boyle does. He did it Trainspotting. He did it in Trainspotting 2. I was going to do it again.
01:07:54
Speaker
It's fine. like It just felt like a little too much. Yeah, that's fair. And I think that's a stylistic thing. I didn't yeah love it either, but um I loved it a lot in Trainspotting.
01:08:08
Speaker
I think it seemed a little out of place in this one, but it wasn't something that I would count as a negative. I'd call it a neutral. I do agree with the tonal shift, though.
01:08:20
Speaker
um But I think the beginning, at least my perspective on the beginning is we needed that sort of stressfulness to make the the world give it the feel that, you know, this is a really dangerous spot.
01:08:36
Speaker
For sure. So, yeah, it's more peaceful with the mother, but they're still traipsing through somewhere. its like the danger is high and you're almost looking around every corner, you know. The one thing that I think added so much value to this movie was the sound design of like the world.
01:08:52
Speaker
Yeah. In almost every scene there on the mainland, you hear some sort of noise, scream, something. At night when, yeah, at night, just the ah constant screams in the background. and And you just don't know what the heck it is.
01:09:07
Speaker
Now you have some ideas, but... a lot of this a lot of the movie's most effective scares are all unseen.
01:09:18
Speaker
And for me, that opening bit just goes to hammer in because we do see like the problems of this the mainland. right And we you know to to have the piece in the second one, um i think we needed to set up in the first that like this is...
01:09:36
Speaker
Like, it's a really dangerous place. Yeah. Like these two are undergoing like a very crazy journey together. That's valid. The one thing that didn't work for me, and this is like a really specific thing, is like the gas bit in the gas station where it's like the. That was a bit.
01:09:53
Speaker
Reach. That a bit of a reach. Yeah. Yeah. I think they would have been. Yeah. They didn't even need the gas. They would have. but They would have been hurt. here's hurt I think it's an understatement on what they would have been if it had blown up.
01:10:09
Speaker
Here's where I thought that was going and kind of where I was like here's where i was hoping it was going. It looked really like like a mystical mist. like I didn't know what it was. It had this like blue hue to it.
01:10:22
Speaker
And I was already feeling... that Alex Garland effect, especially like as the ah father and son are running down the causeway we're being chased by the alpha, just like the beautiful backdrop of like the night sky.
01:10:35
Speaker
Like I felt like awesome. Yeah. i That scene. That was such a great scene. I felt like kind of seeing just that visual of the night sky and how pronounced space was, was going kind of take us to this like fantastical realm.
01:10:46
Speaker
And so I don't know what should have happened or what I thought was going to happen, but I thought, and thought it was going to be a bit more like, like mystical, like i but it was just a gas. I thought it was something. This dude doesn't even know what gas vapors are like. He's not a real huffer like I am.
01:11:04
Speaker
And there was a shot of like of the gas going into Jodie Comer's mouth. And so I was like, oh shit, what is this going to do to her? like What is this stuff? And Eric's just like, it's propane.
01:11:17
Speaker
Propane accessory. Next time you come over, Malik, I'll show you what it does. ah Chat, ah drop us a fan mail if you like huffing gas.
01:11:30
Speaker
Stupid. um One point that I think we do need to bring up that's a big talking point is this movie was primarily shot with iPhone 15 Pros. now Like 15 of them?
01:11:42
Speaker
Yeah. but like You know what would be crazy? What? If it was 28 of them.
01:11:48
Speaker
Get this guy out of here. Get him out. Alex is off the air. I'm off the gas. This doesn't mean that they pulled out their phones from their pockets and then they shot the movie.
01:12:01
Speaker
These phones are on crazy rigs with very expensive lenses, but the body is the iPhone. So I just had to to bring that up because that's pretty sick. It looked really good. It looks good yeah it looked really good.
01:12:14
Speaker
It had so much more color than so many of these other blockbusters have right now. Like just shots of the island and like the vibrant greens. was so lush.
01:12:24
Speaker
ah This movie looked fantastic. It looked so good. i looking forward, I'm very excited for the next two movies. Mm-hmm.
01:12:38
Speaker
We hit on it a little bit earlier. There is a second movie coming out and it is already filmed. It's done. Directed by Nia DaCosta who did the Candyman recall.
01:12:52
Speaker
She directed the Marvels and then I'm forgetting there's there's something else important I don't have in front of me. but Little Woods is the other one that I added that to my watch list today. added that one to my watch list today but this movie's done and guess when it comes out?
01:13:08
Speaker
when it comes out in 28 weeks oh actually actually oh it comes out in january well that's cool we don't have to wait yeah so this one will wait till january yeah so this one will have to do well in order to get the third one green lit so i need everybody to show up um all that to say i'm very excited everyone is already green lit i don't know if it's been green lit yet
01:13:36
Speaker
I hope it is. It's up on Letterboxd. It should be. I'm sure i'm sure it will be. The second one is called, according to Letterboxd, it's called the Bone Temple. i want to talk about the Bone Temple scene in a second, but I'm very excited to see where they take the infected The way that the virus has mutated, I'm interested to see a lot more of that.
01:14:01
Speaker
We can talk a little bit about the train scene with the pregnant infected. Maybe kind of what that means to the characters today and the world and the future of that.
01:14:14
Speaker
Because I thought that was a very interesting choice. It seems like there's like ah like a hive mind almost being developed amongst the infected.
01:14:24
Speaker
And I'm really stoked to see where that goes. I was wondering when it was happening and then the the fallout immediately following, if the Alpha was chasing them out of anger that his baby mama died or that he was trying to actively save his child from being abducted.
01:14:48
Speaker
I'm thinking the Alpha is... like I think the alpha is like at bare bones, the mirror to fatherhood that we got in act one.
01:15:01
Speaker
with with him not really caring for the mother's well-being and just wanting the baby. So I think it's purely to to get the baby back because that's his seed.
01:15:14
Speaker
That's interesting. that's what he needs That's what he needs to do. He needs to raise that baby. He needs to infect that baby to be like him, almost in the way that Spike's dad was trying to have him become a mirror image of himself. Become a warrior.
01:15:29
Speaker
You know? Yeah. That's interesting. I think about that. That's that's what I got from it. I think it's a really good slant. And one that. Be interested to see if they go down that road. Because I did like that the alpha was like kind of intelligent.
01:15:44
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like scary as hell. Dude the scenery stand on the hill. Hey. Oh. That beautiful shot. That was sick. Hate it. So much attack on Titan vibes. Yeah. Just waiting by the tree. Yeah.
01:15:58
Speaker
Oh. Where's Zeke going to be? And the first time Zeke talked, I said, I'm out. Like, Zeke is the Beast Titan or Zeke Yeah, Zeke is the Beast Titan.
01:16:10
Speaker
Dude, it was like... I was like, is this the god of the Titan?
01:16:15
Speaker
That show is the the the king of, like, what is happening? I will never forget watching it and then just filling you in every episode, Tachi. This was over COVID. I missed that, yeah. And just was texting you so much. So much fun. Every single thing that happened.
01:16:29
Speaker
Did you not watch it, Tachi? No, I didn't. he's the one who got me on it. Oh. Yeah. Do you like when I did that with you when I watched it like two years ago? Yes. I love it. It was like passing the torch.
01:16:42
Speaker
I know. it was great. i would just text him me a league. I'm like, can't believe this just happened. And he'd like send like a smirk. Three episodes later, i'd be like, oh, my God. like ah i Let's... Go ahead.
01:16:58
Speaker
I wish we got a little bit more explanation on what happened the first night with Spike and his mom when the zombie is killed basically when they're both asleep.
01:17:12
Speaker
Yeah. That was strange. I don't... Why did they do that? Like she got the flashback that she actually woke up. Yeah. And got the zombie. I'm not sure. I thought that was...
01:17:23
Speaker
going somewhere. mean I'm not sure where. um but I'm going to go a hot crazy take. okay I'm not sure she did it. Huh. What do you think?
01:17:35
Speaker
I think she was thinking, could that have been me? Like, did she not remember it? Because she still look confused after that realization. Yeah. Whoa.
01:17:47
Speaker
oh What if it was Jimmy? wait haven't even gotten to Jimmy. We haven't even gotten to Jimmy. You know what? Maybe it was Jimmy. but There was a bag on the zombie's head.
01:17:57
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know where she would have gotten in the bag. Where would she have gotten the bag? We see the zombie that Spike and his dad come across in the house as hanging upside down with the bag over his head. Wait, wait, wait.
01:18:10
Speaker
What was written on the zombie's back? Jimmy. jimmy
Character Analysis: Jimmy and Religious Themes
01:18:13
Speaker
but It was Jimmy? it was Jimmy. Oh, my goodness. I don't think you could necessarily see the J. You couldn't necessarily see it. later You could see all I saw was MMY. And I was like, I went back in the trailer because you see a so ah shot of it in the trailer.
01:18:24
Speaker
And you can see the MMY. And now knowing. Yeah. I think it was jim Jimmy. there Yeah, I think... I think it was Jimmy. And the reason I think that is because there was a lot of Jimmy mentioning if you looked around the world.
01:18:39
Speaker
There is. That's exactly what I was about to bring up. It was like Midsommar with like the effects in the back, but Jimmy. Yeah. He's like this ever-looming presence. There's a shot of some...
01:18:52
Speaker
Graffiti on the wall. There's a real quick. There's probably going to be like a lot smarter people that can dive into like the religious allegories and all of this. And i can't wait to dive into it. um But there's a verse written on one of the buildings. I think maybe on the side of the house that Spike and his father are in.
01:19:10
Speaker
It's a verse from Revelations. ah The verses behold, he is coming with the clouds next to he though. Jimmy was there and he wrote Jimmy. So said behold, he Jimmy is coming with the clouds.
01:19:21
Speaker
and so It's been a while since I've read Revelations. I think that's going to be very interesting. I mean, especially since seeing Jimmy in the beginning with the priest, with the priest dad, kind of driven to almost a psychosis with his religion. So I'm thinking Jimmy's...
01:19:40
Speaker
feeling betrayed by his father as well. And maybe, maybe his heavenly father does him wearing the cross upside down kind of taking that religion into his own hands with this quote unquote cult that maybe he's created. Maybe he sees himself as kind of the savior that is.
01:19:59
Speaker
i I can't take credit for this analysis, but I was watching TikTok earlier and apparently Well, not apparently.
01:20:11
Speaker
we're We're all just basing this off of like conjecture. But Jimmy's group at the end parallels basically his final experience and and the the childhood trauma that is carried with him up to you know where he is as an adult.
01:20:28
Speaker
Yeah. where um all the other kids in that room with him were blonde. All his friends at the end of the movie are blonde or maybe they're wearing blonde wigs.
01:20:39
Speaker
They're all, they were watching Teletubbies when the infected burst into the house. um And then at the end with his group, they're all wearing those very vibrant jumpsuits just like the Teletubbies kind of looked.
01:20:56
Speaker
yeah I don't know where the Power Ranger action comes from, but Love that. and We see Alex. Yeah, I want you to read this verse right now. um I'm at right right after this, but we see the Power Ranger that spike sets down at the beginning of the movie. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we got like, we have to remember like, like these people are stuck in 2000 basically. um So they're stunted.
01:21:21
Speaker
Right. So yeah, I would really want to see that kind of evolve in in the bone temple. So the verse is Revelations 1, verse 7.
01:21:35
Speaker
So this is right at the beginning of the the book. And for those unaware, um the book of Revelations is St. John's writings on... His ah the the visions he was given of the end of times. This is a very, very highly quoted book in the Bible, probably the most famous, I would say, besides the four Gospels. I mean, this is where, like, behold, a pale horse and on it rode death.
01:22:02
Speaker
You know, all that comes from. So this is the the first chapter. This is the first part ah for the greeting of the seven churches. um So these were the seven churches at the time that were spread around Asia.
01:22:13
Speaker
This was written, like, obviously when St. John was alive. St. John is the John of the Gospels, um the guy who wrote it, and then the guy who, like John the Apostle, who was with Jesus.
01:22:24
Speaker
um So there's that context. um But the actual passage, I'll read verses... like six through eight. um To him who loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood, and he has made us kings and priests to his God and father, to him be glory and dominion forever and ever. Amen.
01:22:45
Speaker
Behold, he is coming with clouds and every eye will see him, even they who pierced him and all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of him. Even so, amen. I am the alpha and the omega, the beginning and the end, says the Lord, who is and who was and who is to come the almighty.
01:23:02
Speaker
So, I mean, I'm basing this off of like just Catholic school education. um But to me, the parallels I see in this verse that...
01:23:15
Speaker
um parallel to the movie are, know, him who's loved us and washed us from our sins in his own blood and has made us kings and priests. To me, that is calling back to the fact that Jimmy has his cohort of Jimmy's.
01:23:30
Speaker
yeah um He recruited them, he brought them in, and he, um you know, clearly trained them in some capacity and got them to be, you know,
01:23:41
Speaker
part of the gang. And he's, we're at, we actually see him do this to spike right at the end of the movie. um You know, he makes them Kings and priests in his own sense. I'm assuming they'll have some sort of power and he, you know, takes them in like, Oh, you know, you're safe with me. Let's be friends.
01:23:57
Speaker
um And, you know, behold, he is coming with the clouds. i mean, that's pretty obvious that, you know, Jimmy is seen as some kind of savior type. I don't know if that's by people on the mainland or if that graffiti comes from, know,
01:24:09
Speaker
uh himself his own acolytes but we will see in the coming movies how many were there ah think oh like close to eight there were seven yeah was say if it's 12 i mean there weren't 12 hold on let me see looks anywhere from seven to 12. Eight.
01:24:33
Speaker
Okay. Oh, nice. I called it. It says the type of vibe I bring to the family. Obviously the last one. I mean, it's pretty obvious. I'm the alpha, the omega, the beginning and the end. Yeah.
01:24:45
Speaker
Jimmy is Jimmy. So if you've seen the movie, you know people are going to be talking about that last five minutes and the tone shift with with that. But like we were saying, this is the first of a trilogy.
01:25:00
Speaker
I think it's going to continue right where we left off as soon as we get into the intro of the Bone Temple and maybe give some additional context. So I'm already seeing a lot of people not... vibing with the end one i just thought it was funny and kind of badass but as I've been diving deeper into this and having this conversation with you guys it just makes me excited too like it is such an interesting choice of costume of choice of of all of it in this particular world that i'm excited to see where it goes even just the way it was shot was so different it was literally shot like a power rangers episode exactly like that yeah because the sequence right before that when it's just spike versus ah handful of zombies it's it's everything that we've experienced up to that point it was normal and then as soon as jimmy shows up
01:25:58
Speaker
Everything is different. Shifts. Yeah. There's a vibe shift in the air. Are we ready to talk about who Jimmy is in terms of his relationship to the real world?
01:26:10
Speaker
I'm just about to bring it up. Yeah. Go for it. So if you were to our older listeners, um you may recognize this name um for couple of reasons. One, because this person was immensely popular in Great Britain.
01:26:30
Speaker
And ah two, the downfall that this person had is, I would say, it's Britain's but but Bill Cosby. Yeah. I think that'd be a really good way to put it.
01:26:41
Speaker
ah Jimmy Saville. is the inspiration for our movies, Jimmy, and his cohort of Jimmy's.
01:26:53
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ah So for those who don't know, ah Sir James Wilson Vincent Seville was an English media personality and DJ. He was known for his eccentric image, charitable work, and hosting the BB show Top of the Pops and Jim Will Fix It.
01:27:08
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After his death, hundreds of sexual abuse allegations were made against him and were investigated, tarnishing his reputation and leading to the police to conclude that he was a predatory sex offender and possibly one of Britain's most prolific.
01:27:23
Speaker
There had been allegations during his lifetime, but they were dismissed and accused and accusers were ignored or disbelieved. Seville's victims allegedly included young children and elderly individuals.
01:27:34
Speaker
And in some circles, some believe um dead bodies. Wow. Yeah. Jimmy Seville um was a saint to... like He was almost like Mr. Robinson, Bill Cosby, or... Yeah, Mr. Rob... Rogers?
01:27:53
Speaker
Yeah, Mr. Rogers. Jeez, I'm still stuck at the bachelor party. um Mr. Rogers, Bill Cosby, like that kind of public figure. And the charitable work he did with children was...
01:28:07
Speaker
I think the driving force to get him knighted, um a lot of work with like sick kids in hospitals, orphanages, um you know, donations, public appearances, things like that visits.
01:28:21
Speaker
And it turns out he was using all of that, all of that to basically be a front for being a disgusting pedophile.
01:28:32
Speaker
And um the one interesting twist is in relationship, in relations to this movie, I don't think those allegations had come out at the time that the rage virus would have started in 28 days later.
01:28:50
Speaker
It looks like from what I've seen, the allegations started to pour out 2008 and beyond, or like maybe even 2005 and beyond. But in 2002, he was still kind of framed as this as this very popular figure in the UK.
01:29:08
Speaker
And so to me, when and I learned about this today, I did not pick on the Jimmy Seville thing. i owe all this to Malik who told me to look up the explanation of the ending.
01:29:22
Speaker
My theory on this, as we go into 28 days later, part or 28 years later, part two is that these like Jimmy and his, ah the siblings or whatever you want to call them were part of one of Seville's charity organizations.
01:29:45
Speaker
That's my theory. So they use him kind of as their framework for how they want to present themselves. I think they might have been charitable. I think they might have been orphans in one of his orphanages.
01:29:58
Speaker
And they still see him as some kind of hero. hmm. It did give like group home vibes. Yeah. At the, at the start because he wasn't treating those other kids like siblings or anything, or maybe even really as friends.
01:30:13
Speaker
It was just a group of kids stuck in a room. Yeah. Really interesting stuff. Yeah. Real interesting stuff. It's a lot to glean from this movie.
Emotional Scenes and Themes of '28 Days Later'
01:30:23
Speaker
Any, I guess, what are your favorite moments or favorite moment all time in the movie?
01:30:30
Speaker
The chase. was sick. In the first act? In the first act. My favorite scene is at the Bone Temple. Ray Fiennes' performance in this Top notch. Was not what I expected all. So good. From the trailers.
01:30:47
Speaker
But he was so earnest and so kind and so wise. i was I was trying to Google it while while we were having this conversation, but there was there was a number of quotes that he said that just really struck home.
01:31:01
Speaker
um But him talking to Spike about Memento Mori and the definition of that and kind of... that conversation paralleled with the conversation that his mom has with him that final night at the bone temple when he makes the diagnosis of her cancer that's been metastasized that entire bone temple scene will just like i was I got so emotional and I was like, ain't no way I'm about to get emotional and cry during 28 years later. the yeah
01:31:35
Speaker
The plug your ears lady was weeping next to me. Was she? Yeah. It was just like the concept of the Bone Temple in the trailers. I thought this was going to be the scariest place in the land come to find it's the most peaceful, beautiful, beautiful and loving art piece that somebody could create in a world of chaos.
01:32:01
Speaker
Also, and just props to the set department. Oh yeah. That was awesome. Looked very good, but, uh,
01:32:13
Speaker
Yeah, man. it was It was getting to me really bad. It got to me bad. wanted to walk out and call my mom. Yeah. it is it got me It got me real good. yeah That would be one of mine.
01:32:25
Speaker
That would be mine. I guess any any media that kind of revolves around that theme of the acceptance of death and and grief and I guess just what makes life and human connection beautiful, it gets me.
01:32:43
Speaker
And I just loved that she ended up getting to to make the choice for herself and for Spike to to help guide him through like this very difficult decision.
01:32:57
Speaker
thought it was extremely well done. It was probably the most free that she had felt in a long, long time. yeah Because in the first act, she's just like stuck to this bed for who knows how long.
01:33:11
Speaker
Man, this movie's great. Yeah. The more we talk about it, the more I like it. Yeah. I know. Yeah. I'm getting hype. Same. Any favorites from you, Alex?
01:33:23
Speaker
mean, the chase scene stood out. um I think that besides the ones we've talked about, um I think the scene of the first kill.
01:33:35
Speaker
Yeah. just showing like how creepy and weird, like the, the one he lets away a little, little fat thing. oh those were weird. They were so weird, but it was like, this movie's awesome.
01:33:49
Speaker
And like his dad, just like, like, I think a lot of the little stuff really stood out to me. Like, um, the, like the family friend telling him about the doctor. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Um, and like his dad telling about like some of this stuff and just like the little, like all of the lore that could be hidden in those trees, like, like what is going on in there? And it just made me want to learn so much more about it.
01:34:14
Speaker
And for me, that was, that was everything. It was, it was the little things going on in that movie. Yeah, when you were talking about the world building earlier, it made me so excited about all of the potential that is just left remaining for the next two movies to just have total freedom to explore, have all these different characters and settings.
01:34:38
Speaker
It can be, or I hope, that it's going to be really, really awesome, just like this movie. Yeah. Yeah, I'm excited for 2 and 3. Should we talk about the cast for 2 and 3?
01:34:52
Speaker
I don't know the cast. I only know one thing that's happening. only know one thing that's happening. Is it that there's a shido of the glup variety?
Sequel Discussion and Film Ratings
01:35:05
Speaker
We're getting glup shidos in the 28 franchise, folks. I feel like the little fat crawler baby was this movie's glup shido. Pfft.
01:35:16
Speaker
We're going to see him again. i hope so. They didn't kill him, right? No, he ran off or waddled off.
01:35:23
Speaker
Little fatso. um The glub shit that we're referencing is the return of Cillian Murphy. Oh. In the Bone Temple. Do you know what Letterboxd has his name listed as? And I won wonder if this ties into anything.
01:35:42
Speaker
What is it?
01:35:45
Speaker
It's Jim. Okay.
01:35:50
Speaker
But that was his name in the first. Yeah. That was his name in the movie. Yeah. mean. It's interesting coincidence. What's going on with that? Yeah. Do we know what his last name is?
01:36:02
Speaker
i don't know if they ever said. His last name in the movie, I think, is ah played by Killian Murphy. It's some Polish. Oh.
01:36:13
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Yeah.
01:36:17
Speaker
Beautiful name. Yeah. Beautiful. lot of consonants. Yeah.
01:36:23
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All right. ready for ratings? Yeah. I'm ready. Oh, man. Am I ready? I'm giving this.
01:36:35
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i was in the range of four to four and a half since walking out. Following this conversation, I'm at a two. Just kidding. I'm at four.
01:36:46
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I'm giving this a 4.5. Wow. And on your scale, that's perfect. That's a really good movie. Yeah. that's That is one cinema.
01:36:56
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I'm giving this movie one cinema.
01:37:02
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How many big booms is that? That's five big booms. Why don't we have a boom meter on here? We should. We need to. The first time that we ever like all agree for a five out of five movie, we're doing five big booms.
01:37:18
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I think I need to rewatch it again for to reach 4.5. Okay. But it's safely at a four for me. Solid four. um I agree with Tachi. For me, I think that movies, um I love like how like, like the ending of a movie and because this one ended so abruptly, it was kind of jarring.
01:37:39
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um So I think we'll see in the context of the trilogy, like how this shakes out. But this is like, I would recommend this movie to anybody. I think I, so I agree with you on that point. I think I can forgive it because all the like 28 days later does this and 28 weeks, I believe.
01:37:57
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But I kind of consider to them quote unquote, like prologues, like a little bit of a prologue. Like it has the ending and then it has your like Marvel post credit scene, even though it's like 10 seconds after with the,
01:38:09
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with a standard 28 days later so i kind of i agree with you but i kind of forgive it with that in mind it is set up pretty weird to to now have a trilogy on starting with the third movie so yeah makes sense i think we can quickly rank them and then wrap it up yeah yeah here we go we're all aligned yeah years days weeks yep yep years days weeks right any final thoughts before we wrap it up I don't want to wait 28 weeks.
01:38:41
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At least it's only 28 weeks. like It's not two years. That shit's shot. 28 days wouldve been crazy that would have been Imagine the marketing on that. yeah That would have been crazy.
01:38:53
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ah out of it's so cool That would have been That's a missed opportunity. That's what they're doing with the new Beatles biopics coming out. there I think they're all four of them are releasing the same day.
01:39:07
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There's four. There's four Beatles. Oh, they're making four, sex five Beatles. Who's the fifth? The guy before Ringo, right? I don't know. Wasn't there a guy before Ringo? I don't listen to the Beatles like that. There's a blue beetle.
01:39:25
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I'm not sorry. Don't be. All right. no no Now I got to look this up. There's a fifth beetle. If you boys don't have anything else, I think I could sign off for the night.
01:39:36
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The people need to know if there was a fifth Beatle. I highly recommend to go watch this movie. Get familiar with the other ones if you haven't. It might not be for you, but that's okay.
01:39:49
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Not everything's for everyone. Because if it was, it'd be boring as heck. So go out there and form your own opinions. But it's a well-made movie. So give it a shot. Pete Best was on drums before Ringo Starr. I don't know who Pete is.
01:40:03
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I hate Exactly. His biopic's the shortest. Thank you guys so much for listening, as always. If you need help falling asleep, just remember this little poem. Seven, six, eleven, five, five, five, five
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eleven seventeen thirty two the day before