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Lost In The Bolts* - A Thunderbolts* Review
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This week on Lost In The Frame, a discussion on the newest addition to the MCU, Thunderbolts*!
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Introduction and Thunderbolts Overview
00:00:15
Speaker
Welcome back to Lost in the Frame. I'm your host Malik. I'm Alex. And I'm Tachi. And today we're going to have a conversation on the Thunderbolts.
00:00:26
Speaker
But first, how are you guys doing today? Sleepy. But I'm ready. Good. I'm excited for this one. I think this is going to be a ah very um varied conversation.
00:00:40
Speaker
Varied. Yeah, I mean, because, you know, we're going to kind of do what we did last week, but kind of the state of the MCU, I think, on top of the Thunderbolts. So think there's a lot to talk about when it comes to to Marvel specifically. I feel like it's just such a hot topic.
00:00:57
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Yeah, I agree. I think there's a lot of similarities
MCU State and Fan Interactions
00:01:00
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between this and the Star Wars from ah content perspective, but we'll get we'll get into all of it, but we'll we'll we'll open it up.
00:01:08
Speaker
Do you want to open it up with some movie news or do we want to read our fan mail that we've received? We do have our first bit of fan mail, so yay I think i'll think I'll start it off with that.
00:01:21
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you know If anyone's listening, they want to write to us. you know Feel free to drop us a DM on Instagram if you have some feedback on the show. If you want to ah yeah just just tell us we're doing great or something like that. you Only positive.
00:01:35
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positive. Like, subscribe, follow, download, ah rip.
00:01:43
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Like ripping a CD? We could do that. Burning. Burn. burn Burn. You know? um Yeah, so did this feedback comes from... This piece of fan mail comes from ah Ashley in Austin, and she says that Alex needs to stop studying Star Wars and start studying some... women.
00:02:07
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ah The real word is redacted. So so I say that to that, off. Piss off.
00:02:21
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I like it. um Thank you, Ashley. Yeah, thanks, Ashley. I agree. Tachi, your Yoda sound from the last episode is getting a lot of laughs.
00:02:34
Speaker
Is it? not It's doing numbers. it's it's It's charting, actually. It's a point of shame for me. Why is it shame? I thought it was so good. I and don't know.
00:02:47
Speaker
I guess I can't pride myself on my impressions. I was never really good at them to begin with, but I just really wanted to put on a great performance, and and I just, I flopped. I think no. I think you delivered on on all fronts, and and want you to practice.
00:03:02
Speaker
Okay. Not right now. But in the future, we'll have another. Maybe right now. Maybe right now. We'll have another Star Wars episode. Maybe it can't wait. Yeah, and
Movie News and Anticipation
00:03:10
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you'll you'll you'll get to redeem yourself. will absolutely redeem myself. And we'll give him some cool down time. Thank you.
00:03:16
Speaker
Alex, you want to kick us off with some movie news? Yeah, ah so last week we kind of skipped this segment because we wanted to go all in on Star Wars, but a lot's happened. um And so we yeah we can't really skip it this week, even though it's not topic related.
00:03:30
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um The first thing that I wanted to cover is the Smashing Machine trailer. The new Dwayne Johnson movie directed by Benny Safdie. Hot take. Oh.
00:03:42
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A, it's one of my most anticipated movies of the year. B, Dwayne Johnson Award buzz. Wow. I'm with you.
00:03:54
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i Maybe that's just a wish cast, but The Rock being nominated for an Oscar would be just peak.
00:04:04
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I don't think we as a society could really top that. It would be monumental for him coming out of the last...
00:04:16
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10 years I feel of his filmography and it being very questionable. And so it's exciting seeing him take on a role like this. and And think it's in great hands with Benny Safdie. It is also one of my most anticipated for the year. And I will, I will officially put my stamp that I'm here for the, uh, the awards trail buzz for the rock.
00:04:40
Speaker
I mean, are are the Safdies the perfect director for like a kind of stuck in the motions actor to branch out? I mean, we had Adam Sandler with Uncut Chems and that was a legendary performance.
00:04:53
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I mean, hopefully they go two for two. you you could also argue You could also argue Robert Pattinson in Good Time hadn't quite broken into the Robert Pattinson we know today.
00:05:04
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so maybe three for three with The the Rock. We'll see. Put it in stone. was just going to say, um I really hope he that that he does turn in a great performance because the more competition, the better for us and for everyone involved.
00:05:20
Speaker
Yeah, I hope this is a good year because so far it's not shaping up to be one. I think 2025 is going to be very backloaded is kind of the vibe that I'm getting for the year. hope so.
00:05:33
Speaker
There's a lot laying this door. what are what are you guys of some of What are some of your most anticipated for the rest of the year? I'll let Tachi take this one while I pull up my letterbox list. Sure.
00:05:44
Speaker
um Off the Dome, Superman. um I forgot about Superman.
00:05:54
Speaker
Oh, Dune 3 is next year, right? I don't know. Have they officially announced it? ah we I don't think there's been an official announcement. doesn't matter. It's not this year. um I'm having trouble now.
00:06:06
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It's not just Superman. I know there's at least two more that I'm really excited for. Fantastic Four? Yeah, Fantastic Four. yeah I'm looking forward to 28
00:06:16
Speaker
Yeah. be Later. Yeah. eight Years later. um and need to watch the smash machine. I've never seen the second one. um The second one's not that good.
00:06:28
Speaker
Honestly, hot take. The first one wasn't that good either. The first one's solid. First one is solid, but um I did watch a ribcam of it off Twitter.
00:06:38
Speaker
So that might have. Yeah. Well, I mean, that's like saying, you know, Italian food's not great. I went to the Olive Garden. Also, it wasn't my fault that I watched it off Twitter because that movie for years was not available to stream, rent, or purchase.
00:06:56
Speaker
You had to find a physical copy of it, and boy, did I look. That's annoying. Yeah. And I watched it on Twitter, and I swear to God, two weeks later, Sony announced that it's available to rent, like, on on video on demand. I was like, all right, cool.
00:07:10
Speaker
They were waiting for you to get drastic. Dude, straight up. You went drastic and then they decided to do the epic troll on you. Yeah, and i was just like, all right, I gotta i got watch this. so Screencast to the TV.
00:07:23
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but Jurassic World. Oh, yeah, Jurassic World. You know, new director, right? I don't know who's directing it, but new director different than the one who did the last two or three.
00:07:35
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Correct. And I really like Jonathan Bailey. Yeah, this does pique my
Controversial Films and Speculations
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interest. I think for me, the ones I'm most looking forward to, I got four right off the top of my head.
00:07:47
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F1 with Brad Pitt. I love racing. And it's the Top Gun crew who made it. So probably going to look pretty good. I feel like we're all going really like that one. That feels like a like an Us movie.
00:07:59
Speaker
Yeah. Wait, which one? F1. Oh, yeah. Brad Pitt. I do want that one. um One battle after another. The new Paul Thomas Anderson with ah Leo in it based off the Thomas Pynchon novel.
00:08:13
Speaker
Some of it was filmed in El Paso. Shout out. Oh, it was it? Mm-hmm. Nice. Nice. A little hometown action. Yeah. Phoenician Scheme with Wes Anderson. um Oh, duh. I'm excited. And then the last one um that I didn't realize was coming out this year until about a week ago was Darren Aronofsky's next movie, Caught Stealing. Yeah.
00:08:36
Speaker
ah Hank Thompson, a burned out former baseball player, is unwittingly plunged into a wild fight for survival in the downtown criminal underworld of 90s New York City, starring Austin Butler and Zoe Kravitz.
00:08:49
Speaker
That's right. And I'm excited for that. I'm a I'm a Butler guy. We've we've talked about this before, but anything he's in, I'll watch it. I like Aronofsky as well. We've got a, it's not like a most anticipated, but friendship comes out in two days. Oh no, that is, that is a most anticipated for me. Honestly. Okay. Yeah. In a couple of weeks, right?
00:09:09
Speaker
Two days. Two days. Well, probably tomorrow. Cause I think it's limited release in two days. I think it's LA and New York and then a week and a half later, two weeks, it's a, it's wide release.
00:09:22
Speaker
Oh, man. And the Mission Impossible at the end of the month. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Malik, I believe you have some ah news for us out of the Vatican City.
00:09:35
Speaker
Out of the Vatican City, yes. So, if you're not aware, the Pope Our representative. Pope died. So... Rest in peace. There is currently a conclave happening.
00:09:47
Speaker
They took it from the hit movie Conclave starring Ralph Fiennes that came out last year. But the piece of news that I wanted to read was... Cardinals are now watching Conclave to get guidance and tips on how to actually do the real Conclave.
00:10:00
Speaker
Many cardinals were appointed by Pope Francis and haven't been around long enough to know how the process all works. I thought that was fake until I saw it came from Politico, which is like a real news source. Yep. um It makes sense. My dad was actually asking me earlier today, how like how accurate do you think it is? And I'm like, boy, do I have the headline for you? hmm.
00:10:23
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It's been cool seeing a bunch of people are posting screenshots of what's actually happening ah with with with screenshots of the movie. And there's an account on Twitter um called Pope Crave, a little parody of the of the Pop Crave account, but Pope Crave, who prior was just a like Conclave fan account, but they got press access immediately.
00:10:46
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to document the actual conclave. That's sick. And so they're over there
Upcoming Horror Films Discussion
00:10:50
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right now. That's actually so cool. Isn't that insane? Yeah. it's It's a truly fascinating process, and it's actually really funny to watch pop culture kind of rally around it.
00:11:01
Speaker
Yeah. um As someone, you know, i I grew up Catholic, and so I was, you know, decently aware of the last one ah when Francis was elected Pope. But this one is like, I mean, this is this is like the Met Gala.
00:11:14
Speaker
Yeah. To be fair, like, I didn't know about what any of this was until the movie came out. So that that did it a lot of justice. yeah What else we got? We got Gal Gadot news from the Gal Gadot front.
00:11:30
Speaker
She is starring in what I think could be the worst movie ever created. This is from Pop Bass.
00:11:42
Speaker
Gal Gadot has been cast in a World War II film titled Ruin. She will play a recently released camp prisoner who allies with a German soldier to take revenge on a squad of Nazis.
00:11:56
Speaker
And there is no worse pick for a recently released concentration camp prisoner to be portrayed by. Agreed.
00:12:09
Speaker
Than Gal Gadot. Should we do Gal Gadot episode? Should is an interesting word. It's like... Can?
00:12:19
Speaker
Remember our feelings about Active Valor? It's that. It's going to be that times a billion. Max Lord, give me the stone. Kal-El, no.
00:12:32
Speaker
You know, I really liked her in like Fast Five. But I think those movies actually did a disservice to her career because they didn't give her enough screen time to actually like pretend to try. Yeah.
00:12:47
Speaker
I think her agent hates her. mean I don't know. think her. She's kind of rolling in the big bucks. Her agent's putting in the work. I think her agent's actually doing the opposite.
00:12:58
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Yeah.
00:13:01
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Get her in as much shit as we can. Yes. No, I mean, like, agents who hate people are like Jenna Ortega's agent. I was literally about to say, I think Jenna Ortega's agent hates her.
00:13:13
Speaker
And Michael Fassbender's agent hates him. He's in some bad movies. Yeah. And he should not be. I think he's talented actor. And Jenna Ortega, mean there is ah there is a young actress who loves and appreciates cinema. I mean, and she's just in garbage.
00:13:30
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think there's been one movie that's like Jenna Ortega was announced for this. And I'm like, oh I'm excited to see that. It doesn't make sense. Like the way she talks about film and her appreciation of the art form. And then you see what she's and you're like, oh.
00:13:45
Speaker
I think she should have had her Mikey Madison moment already, but she has not. Yeah. She should definitely be in that in that same conversation with the with like the newer generation, like your Timothys and your Austins. but Mikey Hive, rise up.
00:13:59
Speaker
Mikey Hive, get down. to shut up
00:14:04
Speaker
what's what's the long walk oh yeah i added that one like three seconds before we started filming uh so a new stephen king um based movie it's about a bunch of kids who go on a walk and um if they they stop if they stop walking they get killed and And if they last long enough, they win money or something.
00:14:27
Speaker
um The question I'd like to ask is, which era
Marvel's Phase 5: Oversaturation?
00:14:30
Speaker
in Stephen King's cocaine use was this story written? Peak era. Like, it era? Maybe... Maybe a year after it, because that's this idea.
00:14:41
Speaker
i hadn't heard of this until you had until you had brought it up, but this is this is a ah drug-filled idea. i can see him pacing around his house, and he's like, what if I stopped in something and just killed me?
00:14:56
Speaker
And that's how this was born. I'm um'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. It's an interesting premise. Maybe not intrigued enough to see it in theaters, but I'll probably catch on streaming. Although, I don't know. Maybe I'll be bored one day.
00:15:09
Speaker
There's a couple horror movies coming out that I'm interested in. And Tachi, I'm asking you now officially to watch these movies with us. um the Bring Her Back from the ah the racket from the Racket Twins.
00:15:23
Speaker
Is that them? Yep. They were under the directors of Talk to Me. Oh, okay. That one's going to be really good. Bring her back? And then I'm drawing blank. I couldn't tell if that was the whole title. Bring her back from the whatever twins.
00:15:39
Speaker
No, no, no. Just bring her back. Okay. Bring her back, comma, directed by the Racka Racka. Do you remember the Racka Racka boys, Racka Racka twins? They used to make those like YouTube videos. They've got the Ronald McDonald that would like beat up the kids.
00:15:53
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's them. It's these like two Australian brothers. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. um And then I'm forgetting. ah i should have pulled it up. I'm forgetting the name of the other one. But the trailer just came out, and Alex, and it's got a bunch of kids running around, like a bunch of kids. so What's the name of that movie? I'm drawing a blank on the name. While I'm drawing a blank on it, while I try to remember it, the third movie I wanted to add to this horror movie coming out is The Ritual with Al Pacino, a nice little exorcism movie.
00:16:21
Speaker
Oh, yeah. But the movie you're talking about, Malik, is Weapons. Weapons. Directed by Zack Krieger. Zack Krieger. Krieger. creek looks That one looks freaky.
00:16:32
Speaker
Yeah. Tachi, we watched Barbarian together, right? Yes. I think I watched it twice, though. Either way. You liked it? Yeah, I loved it. Okay, yeah. Same director. Okay.
00:16:43
Speaker
Apparently, the the rumor about this one is Jordan Peele wanted this script so bad that when they lost the bidding war, he fired his agent. I totally forgot. i I had this in my notes for last week, but we didn't review it.
00:16:56
Speaker
Thank you for bringing that up. Isn't that insane? That's intense. ah We need a movie about like bidding wars for scripts. Uncut gem style.
00:17:08
Speaker
Yeah, because it kind of like firing your agent over losing a script is like kind of electric. That's like something you hear out of like like sports Twitter. Yeah. and Some like forum buried somewhere like like all big drama in the front office. Like that's why the Oscars are Super Bowl.
00:17:26
Speaker
um Well, you do like sports. I would say the Super Bowl is my Super Bowl. Yeah. I want to feel that strongly about something. Yeah. That's like really intense. It's passion.
00:17:37
Speaker
Yeah. You could become Italian like me and then you feel strongly about everything. You can do that? You can just become Italian? Yeah, I mean, here, you're now both honorary Italians. Hooray. Thank you. Now you gotta talk like this. How you doing? Hey, I'm Malik. I'm Tachi. What are you talking about? Guys, it's not us. We're not the ones saying that. It's not us. We're not like that. I'm sorry.
00:18:03
Speaker
We're talking about the Thunderbolts. How you doing? Yeah. All right, I got a couple snippets of Thunderbolts news before we get into the movie. Yeah, let's do it. John Walker was the main villain in original drafts of Thunderbolts, but the concept didn't work.
00:18:19
Speaker
Val convinced John that his super soldier serum was deteriorating and he needed updates. What she was actually doing was implanting a Hulk bomb, or I think she even called them A-bomb. So I think we avoided A-bomb.
00:18:33
Speaker
with that script i mean that's just a brave new world but for anyone listening who hears the name john walker and they didn't do their marvel homework uh john walker was the original captain america replacement before they gave it to the falcon um i thought you were just gonna say original with this steve rogers erasure that that was covered um That was covered in The Falcon in the Winter Soldier, which I'm going to guess a lot of people did not watch.
00:19:02
Speaker
That's a fair guess. yeah Yeah. John Walker, Wyatt Russell's character in Thunderbolts, the fake Captain in America. And then I've got one more, but Alex, I think you had something else around Thunderbolts as well.
00:19:15
Speaker
um I did. So this was a... Actually, we can save this one for later. Okay, I'll just just say this last one and then we can get into the movie.
00:19:25
Speaker
um Bob Iger, the CEO of Disney, says Thunderbolts is the first and best example of Marvel's new focus on quality over quantity. By consolidating a bit and having Marvel focus much more on their films, we believe that will resort result in better quality.
00:19:42
Speaker
And so we're going to find out if we agree with him tonight, so stay tuned. Yep, and so I think that's a good segue to open up the conversation on... maybe the state of Marvel right now and our initial thoughts and feelings coming, coming out of Thunderbolts.
00:19:58
Speaker
I think just to wrap that piece up though, I think that's definitely a better strategy than what they were doing before, which is just shotgun blasting content at our faces through Disney plus.
00:20:12
Speaker
Um, so whether this works or not, I respect their effort to, to fix their problems. so
Thunderbolts Casting and Initial Thoughts
00:20:20
Speaker
I agree. Similar to our discussion last week with Star Wars, I feel the last few years from a Marvel standpoint, have just we've just been thrown content.
00:20:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Have you guys seen all of the TV shows? No. i I kind of gave up after Falcon and the Winter Soldier. I didn't watch Echo, but I think I've watched everything else.
00:20:47
Speaker
So what do we have? We've had Falcon and the Winter Soldier, WandaVision, Loki, Hawkeye. Oh, I watched Loki. I gave up after Loki. Loki's good.
00:20:59
Speaker
i did i did I did enjoy Loki. i didn't i like Loki too. Moon Knight, which I think had potential. It did have potential.
00:21:10
Speaker
Miss Marvel. Agatha. Agatha. Oh my God, yeah. Quite a few TV shows. So... Miss Marvel? Yeah, Miss Marvel. Do you count What If?
00:21:24
Speaker
I the first season. She-Hulk. She-Hulk. And Daredevil. And Daredevil now. Now that I guess Daredevil is part of this whole... It's canon. Yeah, that that it's canon. Now they redid it. I do need to watch Daredevil. But I mean, I would say 70% of those shows, like I had no interest in watching.
00:21:46
Speaker
Agreed. Well, I mean, they they kind of took a lot of like the... Like the C-tier characters and gave them really just drawn out miniseries to be like, oh, get interested. It's like, well, this isn't.
00:22:02
Speaker
Like, why should we? Like, I'm not going to like this. kid I'm not just going to watch it because you told me to. And I think, I mean, I think. where Marvel misstepped was they got so high on their own supply post end game that they're like, Oh, people will watch whatever we put out.
00:22:21
Speaker
Yeah. Because it's Marvel. And it turns out that's not true. I also think coming out of coming out of COVID, i I would say that I think the TV series were a good idea maybe for 2020, 2021. And I think it should have been two, three shows maximum.
00:22:42
Speaker
So like in the period in the period of COVID when everything was locked down, we couldn't go to the theater. Like I think getting some content out for people to watch at home, I think that could have been a home run if they stopped, but they didn't.
00:22:55
Speaker
And then ah it just got too much and like too inflated. And then it felt like homework. Like they couldn't, it did feel like they were trying to chase that that high of end game with every release, whether that be a TV show or a movie. And then we kind of end up leaving the theater disappointed.
00:23:14
Speaker
But yeah. I think that's a and think that's a good way to to kind of get into our our thoughts on Thunderbolts. So Thunderbolts is the latest MCU release starring Florence Pugh, Sebastian Stan, Julia Louis-Dreyfus, Louis Pullman, David Harbour, Wyatt Russell.
00:23:34
Speaker
Anyone of note that I'm missing here? Ghost, ah Hannah John Kamen. Hannah John Kamen. I'm sorry, Ghost. i didn't I did not mean that. um But the synopsis reads, after finding themselves ensnared in a death trap, seven disillusioned castoffs must
Thunderbolts Impressions and Originality
00:23:50
Speaker
embark on a dangerous mission that will force them to confront the darkest corners of their pasts.
00:23:55
Speaker
And so I want to hear from from both of you guys. What were your general feelings when this movie first got announced? Do you remember kind of what your thought process was first seeing this movie that we were going to get whenever they Disney does their whole slate of movies coming up for the next 50 years?
00:24:12
Speaker
Oh, God. Not another B-team movie. I'm sorry. I mean... Bunch of like throwaway character villains and then half the cast of Black Widow, which I hadn't watched. I was not interested all.
00:24:26
Speaker
That's fair. Yeah. When it was announced, I mean, i don't know. Any Marvel announcement is going to pique my interest just because I'm a pretty big fanboy and I'm probably a little too forgiving of their transgressions.
00:24:39
Speaker
But um I can't say that it was my most anticipated announcement. Wow. Yeah. And I think that says a lot. Yeah. Whenever it got announced, they showed the cast.
00:24:52
Speaker
And yeah, similar to you, Alex, was just like, oh, yay. Cool. Right. That's exciting. Like the the one thing that I'll give it like the the one caveat was like.
00:25:04
Speaker
At this point, I or when it was announced, I would have said that ah Bucky Barnes is my favorite current MCU character. So I was like, oh, he's in it. I guess I'll check it out.
00:25:16
Speaker
I wasn't excited, but there was enough with him to be like, well, least I get to see like a character I enjoy. So, but everybody else, it was like, oh, the phasing girl from Ant-Man 2, like, I'm going to go to the theater for that.
00:25:36
Speaker
No. I think some people might have gone just for Florence. I think Florence hive is growing. Yeah. The floence Florence hive is growing. And I think Florence is a, is a huge draw and, and spoiler alert, one of the best parts of this movie.
00:25:51
Speaker
Agreed. you want to get into the the fun facts? Sure. Slash trivia. Do you want to kick off with the Steven Yeun? Yeah, I can't remember when exactly the news came out, but prior to their pre-production, Steven Yeun was going to be cast as Sentry slash Bob.
00:26:12
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But um I think there was a scheduling conflict and he was already under contract with another thing. I don't know exactly what it was, but um he was going to be Bob.
00:26:23
Speaker
It was the ah the the sag strikes that he was under contract or something, but the sag strikes that had shut everything down, just the timing ended up because of that. So he had to end up dropping.
00:26:35
Speaker
Gotcha. Here's a hot take. I'm glad it wasn't him. Here's a hot take. Oh, okay. It's not a hot take.
00:26:45
Speaker
Which is sad because I i love Steven. I love everything he's ever done. Like, um, Walking Dead, Minari, Beef, you name it. Um, I just don't think he, that he doesn't have the range, but But spoiler alert, I think Lewis was one of the best parts of the film as well.
00:27:06
Speaker
And he really, to me, did a ah great job of showing a ah very interesting range. Because of what the character requires. so my My other problem with Steven was, I mean, like Century felt like a little too similar to Invincible.
00:27:28
Speaker
So it'd be like having Invincible play MCU Invincible. And i didn't like, like that wouldn't work. I actually, it's funny because I didn't know the, the Steven Ewan trivia.
00:27:42
Speaker
Um, but when we were watching Thunderbolts Malik, I actually, when they were, when the Thunderbolts were fighting century, um, I was actually thinking, geez, this is probably how it would be if they all tried to fight Invincible.
00:27:55
Speaker
They did say the word invincible. I think I counted like two or three times in the movie. And so just like, I wonder if that was like a little, little nod, a little nod to that. That'd been kind of cool.
00:28:06
Speaker
Yeah. Um, I don't know, maybe, but I mean, he century was basically invincible. Yeah. Like both. Okay. Okay. We need to differentiate because when I say he was basically invincible, he was invincible in the sense that the character was invincible, not that he was like Mark the Viltrumite.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yeah, I got that. Yeah. Well, I mean, a lot of words that are... He seemed invulnerable. non we'll we'll We'll say non-destructo instead of... MCU's invulnerable.
00:28:43
Speaker
I'd go over All right. Well, what were you guys' initial thoughts and feelings coming out of Thunderbolts? I think and think
Character Performances and Emotional Beats
00:28:50
Speaker
we've teased it long enough. So one thing that really had caught my eye during the marketing process was when they released was it the second trailer where they had, they highlighted the crew that they had assembled for Thunderbolts.
00:29:07
Speaker
And it was a very heavy A24 movie alumni base. um And so I was... cautiously optimistic because I feel like Marvel and I guess to an extension, Disney has done that a lot where they will assemble this like backing crew with all this talent and it'll be like, no, like we're look at, we're going to give them all this free reign and it's going to be, you know, its own thing. Like, you know, the MCU is going in a different direction with these guys under the helm.
00:29:46
Speaker
And then the movie comes out and it's literally like the same exact thing. There's no differentiation or style from any other MCU director who has come before whoever.
00:29:57
Speaker
And so while I was cautiously optimistic, I was wholly expecting Thunderbolts to be a carbon copy of some MCU movie that came before, let's say an earth version of guardians of the galaxy.
00:30:13
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And that is not what happened. Because Thunderbolts felt like a very original and fresh movie, um about as original and fresh as you could probably get in the MCU.
00:30:24
Speaker
But it it felt unique, felt different, and it didn't feel like a caricature of itself. And so I left the theater very impressed. I echo your sentiment. i was It's like a breath of fresh air.
00:30:36
Speaker
I'm sure a lot of people can relate. It just it felt like, don't know. it was just It was nice to see this after all the things that have come before it in the last several years.
00:30:50
Speaker
um Really, really happy with how it went. not saying it was a perfect movie but um really great step in the right direction and i wholeheartedly agree since i was like when did the first iron man come out 2008 so i mean similar to utachi like i mean and we've we've we used to go to like every single marvel movie like like the night of the premiere like pre-end game and everything like that and so The last few years have definitely left me jaded and I've cared significantly more or less whenever a new project came out like we touched on with the TV series and everything. And like you said, walking out of this one was like a breath of fresh air.
00:31:30
Speaker
This felt like new and exciting and i think the movie was really funny and it hit on a lot of the emotional beats. I think it i think it executed honestly like...
00:31:42
Speaker
on every level that it meant to. Now, also not saying that it's completely perfect or anything like that, but it's it was just such a change from this formulaic and copy that we've been seeing the last few years and walking out of the theater. Yeah, i was pleasantly surprised because my expectations for this were very low.
00:32:03
Speaker
And I think Alex and I turned to each other in the theater. We were both just like, fuck, they got us. They got us. They got our asses. unfortunately pulled me back in because I want to see more.
00:32:17
Speaker
The thing that I thought was my favorite piece of this movie wasn't like the story or anything. It was the fact that the characters, the way they interacted actually felt like natural and real and not like some...
00:32:32
Speaker
Marvel slop script where it was like, we're going to completely destroy any emotions in this movie because we got a great one liner to drop.
00:32:44
Speaker
And it sprinkled that in there just enough that you'd have that like Marvel script feel. But I mean, these characters felt like real people as far as superheroes go. I mean, they had their own sorts of emotions. you They were fairly...
00:33:00
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You know, unique in the sense that they had different personalities from each other. um You know, they each, while having similar circumstances, didn't feel like like copy and paste.
00:33:12
Speaker
You know, the the sort of team up felt very unforced. The way it came together in the movie was very natural. It felt very organic. It did. Like it, you know, what are we, some kind of suicide squad?
00:33:29
Speaker
Say that didn't feel like that. Say that again.
00:33:35
Speaker
Yeah, no, I i mean, all star cast, like they the they were all amazing. um Yeah, I think a big like problem with a lot of these Marvel movies is is they'll they'll try to get these these emotional moments and these emotional beats and like make us care about these characters. And like you said, they just kind of kill it immediately with just like a quippy one-liner.
00:33:56
Speaker
And while this does have that, all of it felt earned. They gave all of of the characters room in the writing to have these emotional moments. And even if I think, even if someone isn't familiar with, if they haven't seen black widow or they haven't seen Falcon and the winter soldier, it still gives them, it still gives the audience enough of an idea to get emotionally attached to these characters and feel something for them.
00:34:22
Speaker
And so seeing them go through this whole journey, like I, found myself like really caring for these characters. Like there honestly like a couple parts the movie where I kind of got choked up and just like, and again, was just like, they got me again.
00:34:35
Speaker
i think, uh, it was very Elena centric and that's probably
Taskmaster and Marketing Critique
00:34:40
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for the best. Um, in terms of, I guess, putting the movie around a really strong emotional theme and I guess a story that they're trying to tell because honestly, Florence Pugh kind of carried,
00:34:55
Speaker
Not to say that, you know, everyone else wasn't pulling their weight. It's just that like the spotlight was on her and she delivered. I think and in every way. I don't know about you. I thought Taskmaster carried.
00:35:09
Speaker
All right. Spoilers for Thunderbolts. If you haven't seen it, what did you guys think about Taskmaster being killed off 30 minutes into this? It was fine. I had it spoiled, but I was whelmed.
00:35:21
Speaker
Like, I mean, i didn't care about the character enough. Like, I had seen Black Widow one day before. Yeah. And Taskmaster and Black Widow was, like, bad guy number 500,000. Like, there was no...
00:35:35
Speaker
anything I mean, I will say I actually think like the marketing for this movie has been really awful on the topic of the Taskmaster death because a they basically gave away who was going to be the death and everybody. Everybody knew everything after the first because they were yeah because um Olga, whatever her last name is, i forget her last name was the only person not cast in Secret Wars and Doomsday.
00:36:03
Speaker
everyone else in the Thunderbolts was. Everybody. So it's, if you pay attention at all to the movie news, you were like, ah.
00:36:14
Speaker
And even just the trailers themselves, like Taskmaster maybe made a blip. Yeah. Made a blip in the c in the in the vault scene that we would see in the previews, but every everything else, like, we would see them in and what turns out to be New York, and everyone was just like, Taskmaster is only in whatever this one scene is, and like nowhere else to be seen.
00:36:37
Speaker
Like, Taskmaster shouldn't have been included in the marketing. No. Probably not. I don't think the Taskmaster hive is big enough to get people to, to, to show up.
00:36:49
Speaker
Yeah. And, and honestly, it's fine that Taskmaster went out so early because there wasn't enough room for everyone to get the, the time that they needed. I mean,
00:37:00
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Even Ghost was really underutilized. Yeah, I have that in my notes. Not that that was a flaw in the movie, but it just shows that like they have to make the decision on like who and what they want to focus on.
00:37:14
Speaker
And it just would have been too much if there were another cast member that we needed to care about. Also, Taskmaster is such like a non-character character. Mm-hmm.
00:37:26
Speaker
They just would have been there at the for the movie. Like, yeah. Yeah. Oh, like there's this guy that doesn't talk. And they just stand there ominously. i think that I think there is a world where we could have um had a had some better writing around Taskmaster.
00:37:43
Speaker
But I just I feel from the beginning, like from Black Widow, like it just the foundations weren't really there. And so it was hard to to get audiences to care. But yeah. not Not to say that I yeah i mean i i definitely do think that there there was a world where we could see more of an actual character develop um in Taskmaster because I i mean i don't know, and um' I don't really follow the comics, but having someone able to mimic the fighting style of every Avenger that they've that they've ever and come across, I think that's pretty cool.
00:38:15
Speaker
But i mean all that to say, it's yeah it's it's fine. yeah Well, unfortunately, I think we were closer to that reality than we think, because I saw this floating around on Twitter, that in the original Thunderbolt script, um there was like a running joke where Taskmaster had amnesia and would, like, since her original assignment was to assassinate John Walker, she would just keep
Vault Scene and Character Utilization
00:38:40
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forgetting that they were friends and then she'd keep trying to kill him.
00:38:44
Speaker
That's actually pretty funny. That would have been pretty good. i would have been entertained by that. So, I mean, they they didn't not try with Taskmaster, but clearly the the Disney overlords didn't think it was enough to to warrant keeping the character around for more than 10 minutes.
00:39:01
Speaker
how how did you guys What did you guys think of the vault scene? I liked it a lot. I thought it was pretty sick. I thought it was awesome. Yeah. I liked, I liked the setup of it.
00:39:13
Speaker
It was just another like really natural, like very plausible in that world. who You know, here's how we ended up in that situation. And I think walking into Thunderbolts, my initial thought was um that Val was going to be kind of like a ah like an anti-Nick Fury. I assumed that she was kind of gathering this team because we see her in a couple of the TV shows and I think in Black Panther. But we see her in um and the end of Black Widow recruit Yelena.
00:39:44
Speaker
We see her in Falcon and the Winter Soldier recruit John Walker. And so I kind of thought she was getting this ragtag group together. to carry out these like mercenary missions and we're really going to get like MCU suicide squad. I fully thought that that's where we were going, which is why my expectations were so low. So I think it was a really nice surprise. And I love seeing the vault scene play out in something that, um, that I didn't expect to see how this group got together.
00:40:09
Speaker
I was kind of hoping for some, uh, some Cadmus vibes from, uh, DC universe. You guys see justice league unlimited? Yeah. No. the The TV show, the cartoon? I don't know it like that.
00:40:22
Speaker
Really great watch, but um like Cadmus is this sort of like shadow arm of the government tasked with fighting superheroes. And I kind of thought that's the angle they were going to go with um with the Thunderbolts. And I thought Valentino was going to be like a like a government asset, but...
00:40:40
Speaker
I liked what we got. I did like what we got. Yeah. um Who are some of guys' favorite performances in this? We talked about Florence a little bit, but um anything that kind of stands out to you?
00:40:52
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Who was Pullman? Him too. Those my top three. Who did you say, Tachi? Wyatt Russell. I really like John Walker as a character. He's so fascinating.
00:41:03
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Yeah. Wyatt Russell, I think, just pulls off this really like... maybe not jaded, but like, i guess bitter and troubled man who in the grand scheme of things really wants to do well and wants to do right by himself, wants to do right by his country and just do good in terms of morality.
00:41:25
Speaker
but um he he just struggles with his ingrained issues. Why Russell just, just finds a way to make you really want a root for him to, i guess, accomplish what he wants to do, which is just like, be a great soldier. And Tachi, you are allowed to say that John Walker did nothing wrong.
00:41:46
Speaker
ah I mean, he did kill a man in cold blood. so ah can't say that he didn't do anything wrong. Did he? I mean, he like smashed a guy's chest in with a vibranium shield repeatedly until he died. I don't think Marvel did a good job of portraying that as an unjust killing.
00:42:09
Speaker
That's my hot take. I agree. there There are ways to deliver justice. There are people who deserve certain fates. I think in that moment, maybe that guy didn't have to die.
00:42:26
Speaker
I'll concede that. He could have died later. Okay. Sure. taking Taking him around the back. Yeah. Yeah, i think John Walker is a super interesting character.
00:42:37
Speaker
um i would say, yeah, we we touched on it a little bit earlier. i think the one of my main gripes with this movie is the just the lack of character from Ghost. I would love to they hear more about her and get more of a of a backstory with her. I mean, we got it a little bit in Ant-Man and the Wasp. We kind of see how she came...
00:42:57
Speaker
to have these powers but they i think there could have been so much more but on the flip side of that yeah seeing john walker's kind of emotional progression through this i think is super interesting obviously getting what we get with uh yelena florence pew delivers that and excellently and a real big fan of lewis pullman as a century
Cinematography and Emotional Impact
00:43:20
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he was the best surprise of the movie By far. i i I love that Lewis Pullman's two like breakout roles so far were like awkward white dudes named to Bob.
00:43:32
Speaker
He was named Bob in Top Gun, huh? He was Bob in Top Gun. That's awesome. the The best movie I've ever seen from him, though, and this is a complete divergent from the Marvel topic.
00:43:45
Speaker
um But if anyone is out there wanting a recommendation for something Lewis Pullman was in, go track down The Starling Girl. um It was a movie that had ah very tiny release, um got no buzz about anything.
00:44:01
Speaker
And I watched it on a plane. It just seemed like a perfect airplane movie, and I thought it was fantastic. He plays this um like preacher in this real small Appalachian town, um and the movie's about an affair he has with a local girl.
00:44:18
Speaker
And Lord Huron does the soundtrack, and that movie is really, really good. Consider my interest beaked. But that's cool. Lewis Pullman. He's awesome in it. That was my first introduction with him.
00:44:31
Speaker
I was one of my underrated gems from twenty twenty ah three. So you guys check it out. Yeah, for sure. Any other praises that you guys want to sing for this film?
00:44:45
Speaker
i feel like the void character design was so cool it was so sick was sick oh my god and knowing i yeah i think the the approach they took with it and i saw um a clip of a clip of an an interview um talking about the inspiration behind kind of how they went about what the void would do and seeing the shadows and how they got a lot of the inspiration from hiroshima and the show Yeah, that was brutal. yeah That was such a brutal inspo.
00:45:15
Speaker
That's really ominous. Yeah, really ominous, but I think i think it worked really well. um I agree. This sounds messed up, but I don't want to say favorite moment, but one of my most like shocking moments in the theater. You you shouldn't say what it is um because anyone listening who hasn't seen it should be surprised. Stop listening if you haven't seen it. I don't want to say it.
00:45:37
Speaker
Do you guys know which part I'm talking about? I know exactly which part you're talking about because it's the part that we looked at each other at. thought I'm not sure that I know. Okay, they're in New York and the first and people are are or getting voided for the first time.
00:45:52
Speaker
Gotcha. Yep, that was crazy. I think everyone in theater went like, I think my jaw dropped. Yeah. It was probably I think the most jarring MCU you moment ever.
00:46:06
Speaker
It's up there. Yeah, it's up there. I don't know what else could beat it. i mean, the snap is... Yeah, but the snap, we had been expecting the snap for like six movies.
00:46:19
Speaker
And then when it happened, it was like very drawn out. And, you know, you cut in. We I really like the snap, at least for me. While that moment did kind of quiet the theater, it wasn't wholly unexpected.
00:46:34
Speaker
This specific scene in Thunderbolts, we'll call it scene X. Yeah. Just came out of left field. Okay, I agree. Yeah, because this the snap was very emotional and kind of like it felt like I just like I wanted to reach into screen into the screen and help and I couldn't do anything.
00:46:53
Speaker
This was just like, oh, like what? What can you do? Yeah. Yeah, I get that. That's point. It was MCU's grenade scene from Warfare.
00:47:05
Speaker
Yeah. Fair. Any low points or negatives that you guys want to bring up? I'll echo the the lack of Ghost. Because I think she is probably the most... She's A, the most unique character on the team.
00:47:23
Speaker
She's got the coolest powers. She's the only one that's not just like a random super soldier. Yeah, her ability is so cool. Yeah. And you could totally do a lot with... I lived in a box growing up because if I left said box, my body would get ripped apart by atomic energy or whatever the explanation was. i think it was Pym Particles, right? you get the ocean Yeah, you can do a lot with that.
00:47:44
Speaker
And she was really good in Black Mirror, too. So she's a pretty good actress. And I want MCU to kind of let her roll head a little more. Ghost hive rise. Yeah. the The way that they showcase her in the vault was really, really cool.
00:48:00
Speaker
Any negatives from you, Tachi? Nothing really jumps to mind. I don't know. I think I might have to think about it more. I was going to say, i i think the first hour of this movie is excellent.
00:48:15
Speaker
Like, I think it's got a tight script, and I think it it flies by like it
Character Contributions and Humor
00:48:20
Speaker
doesn't... i Like, I wasn't bored at any point, but so I think the first hour of this movie is really, really good.
00:48:27
Speaker
I do think it loses some steam. In the last hour, last 45 minutes or so, because it for the first hour, being with these characters, it felt very it felt very earned. and And I think like the passage of time just felt just felt kind of real. And then in the last hour, everything kind of just felt rushed, which I mean, I understand like why why it had to be that way. Like it's, it's, it's only a two hour movie, but I would say, i think, I think it gets a little bit clunky towards the end of it, just with, um, the progression we see with Bob and Val to becoming century and him making this decision that, that he's going to be with her. And then I, but other than that, like,
00:49:08
Speaker
That's fair. and because it It doesn't hurt the movie too much in my eyes, but if I had to pick a couple of the things, it'd be the character of Ghost, and then it just gets a a little bit sloppy. But I mean, overall, breath of fresh air here.
00:49:25
Speaker
For sure. I was to say maybe they could have chopped out a little bit of like the emotional beats when they're going through those emotional journeys toward like really building up to the climax.
00:49:38
Speaker
But yeah, I agree. There's nothing like really monumental that... detracts from the movie experience. I do want to say though, one of my favorite scenes is in the beginning. Also, I big fan that Florence Pugh did the stunt off of the building herself. I don't know if you guys saw any of the behind the scenes.
00:49:56
Speaker
And I think, I think she did that because of the backlash of how bad the explosion in black widow looked, if you guys remember towards the end of the movie, yeah she's just like, so bad. so bad and i so i think i i feel like that just like stuck in her head and she's like i gotta i gotta do this so she pulled the tom cruise into that herself so i think that was awesome um but quickly quickly following that scene um she's going through all of these these these people in the hallway we have an aerial shot of her fighting through the hallway kind of a long one-er and seeing the shadows the way the light is hitting and seeing the shadows kind of reflect what we're going to see in the future with the void
00:50:35
Speaker
I thought that was awesome. Like I thought that was so sick. I loved ah love the use of light in that one. um This movie had the same cinematographer of Green Knight. Was it as great as the Green Knight? No.
00:50:47
Speaker
I don't think the movie was like gorgeously shot or anything like that, but it was deece. It was fresh for a Marvel It was fresh for a Marvel movie, but I did want to shout out that scene. I thought that scene was very well executed and really interesting how they shot it and what they did with with the light. And I wish we got a little bit more of that. But yeah, it was nice that they used a lot more practical sets um as opposed to like Ant-Man 3.
00:51:14
Speaker
I know they're in the quantum realm, but come on. You don't have to blue screen every scene. Yeah. Please. Had Quantumania looking like Sharkboy and Lavagirl. Also, them saving civilians.
00:51:26
Speaker
We're back. That say one lady that was like crawling on the ground, she really, i mean, she really put her whole life into that two-second scream. I mean, if you were cast as an extra in MCU that was going screen time, you'd probably be. Oh, absolutely. If that was me on the floor, I'd be screaming.
00:51:46
Speaker
i mean I would take like five scoops of pre-workout just to get... Beyond amped. I'd go try and fight Lewis Pullman.
00:51:55
Speaker
Hey, man, we're really happy you could come out as an extra. Start throwing fists. So since the void kind of engulfed New York, who are other MCU heroes that are living in New York? And do we think that they kind of got their own trauma room while this was all happening?
00:52:14
Speaker
I'm thinking like, yeah, Spider-Man, Daredevil. What did they see? I mean, Spidey's just got to see Marisa Tomei getting nuked. Oh my god.
00:52:29
Speaker
Nuked is crazy. Nuked. But valid. Isn't that what happens she get blown up by Green Goblin? She did get nuked. No Way Home? Yeah, I mean. thought it was crushed by Rubble. She'd be nuked.
00:52:44
Speaker
and think it was a combination of all of it. She got nukes.
00:52:49
Speaker
And then the radiation killed her. Who else is over there? Doctor Strange. wonder what Doctor Strange saw. I don't know He's just hanging out with his third eye somewhere. He's just chilling. Oh my god.
00:53:00
Speaker
We don't know. What was he doing there during all this? He could have just... You know, like could have banished Bob yeah somewhere. That's the question. I think with every superhero movie, like if you said in New York, it's like, where's what is Spider-Man doing right now?
00:53:16
Speaker
Where is Daredevil? Aren't we in his neighborhood? He lives right there. He's just at a courthouse. Yeah. Just doing his job. Sorry. These aren't billable hours.
00:53:29
Speaker
Who? are Let's go to our favorite Thunderbolts. Thunderbolts. Favorite new Avengers? o oh um Say that again.
00:53:45
Speaker
I think I really like John Walker. He's so compelling. He might be my favorite. I like that answer. Top three for me, Bucky Ghost and John Walker.
00:53:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah, we haven't talked about Bucky at all. Oh, my God, Bucky. How have we not talked about Bucky? Sorry, Bucky. His Terminator scene, so cool. Oh, that was just peak. I loved it. On the Harley?
00:54:09
Speaker
Yeah. i was sick. i was having a blast. That was just testosterone-fueled badass. That was great. I went to the gym when I got home after watching that. The most unbelievable thing. Just pumping iron in the garage.
00:54:21
Speaker
The most unbelievable unbelievable thing about this movie is Bucky becoming a congressman. I thought that was hilarious. It's really funny, but
Thunderbolts Ratings and Marvel's Future
00:54:30
Speaker
to think that... Didn't he, like, canonically kill JFK?
00:54:35
Speaker
yes Yes, he did. Absolutely. Get him in the White House now. Just think, like, somewhere in that universe, some, like, Fox News grandpa's like, I just like what this Bucky Barnes has to say, and then their exasperated college granddaughters, like, he killed JFK! Like...
00:54:56
Speaker
And they'd be valid in feeling that. Yeah, top three. ah I don't know. i can't I honestly, I really like everybody in this. don't know if I could do a top three. like I think Red Guardian was really funny in this.
00:55:11
Speaker
I thought he was really good. Elena is awesome. Ghost is awesome. Love John Walker.
00:55:18
Speaker
Yeah, there's no Thunderbolt I don't like. Taskmaster. Not even Thunderbolt. They don't count. it's It's hard to include Bob because he's so different from them.
00:55:31
Speaker
But he is part of the group. so But the movie didn't even really count him as part of it. Do they? or is it just because he's Bob and if when he's Sentry, then he's a Thunderbolt? but when he's not, he's just and Bob.
00:55:43
Speaker
I don't know, but I did love the scene when there was that announcement at the end and he he's like kind of off to the side of the frame, just like clapping. So unaware that he's part of this.
00:55:54
Speaker
He's just a boy. he's just a boy He was vibing in the post-credit scene, too. He really was. Do we want to move on to our ratings, or do you guys have anything else to say?
00:56:07
Speaker
ready to rate. You're ready rate? I'm ready. Yep. All right. Out of 10? Oh, out of 10. Yes, out of 10. Alex, you go first. I'll start with an 8 out of 10.
00:56:21
Speaker
Wow. I liked it. I liked it. I just... You know... The vibes were good. I'm really happy that you liked it. I liked it a lot.
00:56:32
Speaker
It's not even my project and it just makes fills me with joy.
00:56:38
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I will go with 8.5. Solid. And now you. i will I will go with 8 out of 10. Alright. So what is that? An 8.25 is the official Lost in the Frame rating.
00:56:54
Speaker
We need to start putting these on Letterboxd. The soundboard's still not working today. ah dang it. I just clicked. yeah Damn, son. Damn, Where'd you find this? Yeah, this movie was solid.
00:57:07
Speaker
Great cast all around. Emotional. Like I said, there's there's honestly like a couple moments that that I got a little choked up, but really like blew me out of the water.
00:57:19
Speaker
Like my my expectations were low for this. I was like, you know, we'll we'll see. We will see. Like I still haven't seen um the newest Captain America movie.
00:57:31
Speaker
And that will be the first time probably since 2008 that I didn't see a Marvel movie in theaters. That's crazy because it's not even the worst one that's come out. I know, but I just didn't like there's just there's been no urgency for me to for me to watch these.
00:57:47
Speaker
That's fair. You saw the Marvels? I saw the Marvels. yeah I didn't even remember it was a movie. It was, unfortunately, very forgettable.
00:57:58
Speaker
Speaking of the Marvels, who would win in a fight? The Sentry or Captain Marvel? From what I can tell, it seems like Sentry is like Marvel's Superman.
00:58:13
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Because he is so fast, it's almost like he can teleport. He can use telekinesis. Super strong. Can fly. What am I missing?
00:58:24
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ah Super strength. He has like a force field. on chest. He has an S on his chest. And he's handsome. And he's blonde. Do we count Void as part of Sentry? We'll just say Sentry. I think Sentry takes it.
00:58:37
Speaker
But it's kind of hard to gauge the power scaling because the last time we saw Captain Marvel as a relevant character, she was taking on a really powerful Thanos. So that's true.
00:58:52
Speaker
Wouldn't the last time we saw as a character be the Marvels? Oh, well relevant. now Cause no one really cares about the Marvels and it doesn't seem to have a major tie in to so the rest of the universe now dude poor speaking of the marvels and how irrelevant it is poor um iman velani because she's trying so hard yeah she's gotten such a raw deal she's very likable i think she's fantastic yeah the writing sucks and her show sucked and her movie sucked and it just sucks for her
00:59:32
Speaker
and I'm rooting for her. Hopefully they'll turn it around. yeah It's like watching the the best person you knew in high school just getting an absolute raw deal in life. So that is the end of phase five.
00:59:43
Speaker
where Where does this sit in phase five movies for you guys? So to recap, we've had Ant-Man and the Wasp, Quantumania, Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3, The Marbles, Deadpool and Wolverine, Captain America Brave New World, and now Thunderbolts.
00:59:59
Speaker
It's sits up there at the top for me what would your ranking of phase five movies be i would probably have to re-watch guardians 3 but as of now they're basically tied for first i really loved guardians 3 so guardians 3 slash thunderbolts then deadpool then captain america
Conclusion and MCU's Future Hopes
01:00:20
Speaker
i guess ant-man 3 just because i love paul rudd and then the marvels For me, I would say Thunderbolts is my favorite um Phase 5. Then I would say Guardians 3. And then for the next one, I would say i didn't watch any of the rest.
01:00:39
Speaker
Fair. Yeah, i would I think I would put Thunderbolts first. I also would need to rewatch Guardians 3. um I haven't seen it since it first came out. So for now, just go Thunderbolts first, Guardians first.
01:00:55
Speaker
I haven't seen Captain America, but I feel like it'll be third. I'm a put Captain America there. Deadpool and Wolverine, the Marvels, and then Quantumania. Quantumania way down at the bottom.
01:01:07
Speaker
Quantumania is actually, i think, the only Marvel movie that has left a sour taste in my mouth. That movie did piss me off. It actually, no, there's one in phase four that really pissed me off, but we'll get there. Love and Thunder.
01:01:24
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Yeah. That, yeah. Thor Love and Thunder, I think pissed me off more than Quantumania. Yeah. To be fair. The hopes were much higher for that. Yeah. So for, since we're out of phase five, moving on to phase phase six, we've got Fantastic Four coming up.
01:01:39
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what What are you guys thinking about the the future of Marvel after Thunderbolts? Are you still jaded? Are you excited? what Talk to me about it. I wouldn't say I'm excited, but I'm not jaded.
01:01:54
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The door is open. The door is open for me to become a fan again. Okay. I was going to say, what is the door opening to? um That's good. I'm glad you're not cheating.
01:02:06
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A nuke. I am excited for a Fantastic Four. Knowing that the Thunderbolts are going to be in Doomsday in Secret Wars. Honestly, for Doomsday and like most things past Fantastic Four, like my excitement level is maybe like a three.
01:02:24
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But we also know like nothing. I just, I don't see a world where we have hundreds of characters in a two and a half hour movie and it kind of giving me the same feeling that Thunderbolts did.
01:02:38
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Like this is a very grounded, grounded film. And we've got, like we said, a lot of those emotional beats that, that hit very well. And so, it just It just makes me kind of worried seeing like where we're going to see ah the progression of these characters go because there's not going to be much progression when you have a cast of hundreds of other superheroes getting nostalgia baited and...
01:03:05
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Glup shit. Oh, we're getting it. Like it just, yeah. Like it's Avengers glup shit. Oh yeah. That, that is the major drawback to them consolidating, um, their content into just a handful of movies.
01:03:18
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Cause we're really likely not going to see a lot of these characters outside of Avengers movies. Maybe ever. You know what sucks? Hmm.
01:03:29
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What? A lot of people have been saying that at least for Disney Star Wars, um that the farther they've gotten away from the Force, the better the content is. And so like Andor and Rogue One.
01:03:43
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And um i think MCU needs an Andor, and I think Thunderbolts could be it. And I don't think they're actually going to let it be it.
01:03:59
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I think they're going to shove them right back with insane superpowers and they're going to get completely sideshowed by whatever um amalgamation of heroes is in secret wars and doomsday.
01:04:15
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Yeah. The power scaling is going to be really an interesting challenge for them to tackle because yeah, what are they i mean what's red guardian gonna do against dr doom drive a limo into him i just yeah it's it's gonna be interesting um but i'm hopeful i still think they're they're gonna do well i'm still containing my excitement but it it's gonna be tricky it's gonna be really really tricky tricky i mean it will be
01:04:48
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know. I guess like if, oh my gosh, what's, what's her name? Uh, Yolanda's sister that died. and Oh, Scar Joe. Yeah. If I forgot her character name, but if, if she can help take down, I mean, oh my God, it time jesus oh my hand what is wrong with us? Um, if she can contribute to taking out Thanos, like they'll find a way to make them relevant.
01:05:11
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Did she and contribute? She didn't, she died. Yeah. Her death was part of that. So just kill him. Yeah, Malik, it was a sacrifice. Okay, all right, all right.
01:05:26
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Just gang up on me, I'm sorry. Yeah, we'll we'll have to we'll have to stay tuned to see what the MCU is cooking. i Unfortunately, I do think that this might be, we're going to look back ah on Thunderbolts as ah as a shining moment, as just like a ah speckle of gold dust amongst a pile of knot.
01:05:49
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That's my thought. that's That's my thought right now. ah But obviously I'm happy to be proven wrong. I was proven wrong with Thunderbolts and had a great time with it. So only the future will tell.
01:06:02
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i agree. i'll I never go into a movie wanting to hate it. Same. Even Active Valor.
01:06:10
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I gave Active Valor a chance. I was just like, let's see what we got. Watching Active Valor was an Active Valor. We should get congressional medals for this.
01:06:20
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Thank you for your service. Exactly. um No, I agree. I mean, i I think Thunderbolts will function as a standalone film that even if MCU kind of drops the layup here, we can still go back and be like, that was a good movie.
01:06:39
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We'll be able at a good time with that one. sure Yeah, we'll look at it fondly. The new Avengers. Before we close it out, how do you guys feel about the title switch to the new Avengers? Give it more than opening weekend, dude. Give it more. Yeah. God.
01:06:54
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I don't know why they rushed that. That's crazy. Three days. The, the theory I heard is that it had to do with them wanting people to see it in IMAX and they're losing their IMAX screens in like seven days because final destination bloodlines is going to go in there next.
01:07:14
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And so I think they were trying to push people to go see it in IMAX. Although I did see today that the um you know they had the big poster on the side of the building in LA, and they changed it to the New Adventures.
01:07:28
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They changed it today to now, or maybe not today, like recently, to where um Stitch from live action Lilo and Stitch burst through. So, I mean, Disney is just speed running a marketing campaign for everything.
01:07:41
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Yeah, that's... And I just wish they would let it breathe. Yeah, yeah, the that got spoiled for me like Monday morning. was like, oh, really, really unfortunate. i was like, oh, cool.
01:07:53
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But I honestly, I feel like there's still so much left to say like like for this movie that that we didn't cover. Yeah, we we really didn't even cover Bob's backstory.
01:08:05
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But I love that the powerful God character is a meth head. Oh my God. The meth had chicken scene. That was, I was really surprised i included that.
01:08:18
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Yeah. I was too. They said the word meth in an MC movie. Right. They said like brought it, they kept bringing it back It's like, oh yeah, I was really high on meth. Like when this was happening, God to be on meth in a chicken suit. That'd be, that's the life.
01:08:37
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That's the American dream. Yeah, go watch Thunderbolts. Go watch the new Avengers. ah Go do meth in a chicken suit. Go do meth in a chicken suit. thats i think I think only positive things could probably come from that.
01:08:51
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Clearly. You too could become God.
01:08:58
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Alright, well do you guys have any any final thoughts you want to say before we sign off for the night? No, I think we covered it. Yeah. All right. Well, we gave this movie an 8.25 out of 10 for... We really need to start uploading these ratings to Letterboxd. We do.
01:09:13
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Yeah. We can... We'll we'll start it tonight.
01:09:18
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Probably not. Probably not. Yeah, maybe tomorrow. well I'll wake up tomorrow and else and I'll see. But thank you so much for listening. um Lost in the Frame will return. And Bob.
01:09:29
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And Bob. We'll return. All right. Thank you guys for listening. Have a good one, everybody.