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Five Nights at Freddy's 2 (2025) with Gen-Z Edie & KB
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Rick and Trav show their age by needing to bring in reinforcements by way of Gen Z Edie (accompanied by her dad, KB) to help unpack this latest adaptation of the popular video game franchise, Five Nights at Freddy's. We discuss wrongful allegations towards Bowling for Soup, Megan Fox's thumbs, and Josh Hutcherson's wardrobe choices in this film.
(00:00) - Random Banter
(01:35) - Introducing Gen Z Edie & KB
(05:30) - Movie News (Netflix & WB)
(09:38) - Intro / FNAF 2 Theatrical Experience
(12:13) - Synopsis
(15:43) - Overall Thoughts
(31:21) - FNAF Lore w/ Gen Z Edie
(34:11) - Production Notes
(43:05) - Casting
(51:08) - Scare-O-Meter
-Spoilers Beyond this point!-
(55:55) - Deep Cuts
(59:05) - Highlights
(01:02:30) - Awards
(01:48:43) - Scream King / Queen Award
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Transcript
Thanksgiving Break and Podcast Hiatus
00:00:30
Speaker
We're back. Our last new release of 2025. Rick, how are you doing? I'm good, man. I'm stuffed from all the turkey and the sweet potatoes. We had a nice little break. We didn't have a show for a week. It was nice. It was nice not seeing you for a week, Trav. Sorry to say.
00:00:48
Speaker
it is It is nice to get some rest, all things in moderation. But I did also didn't miss you. I did miss you. That also reminds me that during our Thanksgiving episode, the last episode that released, you started going on a tangent talking about favorite foods at Thanksgiving dinner. And hopefully you noticed that I cut that out because that is always my- You shut that shit down. My least favorite conversation topic. It's so overused. It's like, oh, let's rank our favorite dishes at Thanksgiving. And I've I've heard enough of it.
00:01:15
Speaker
I don't want to talk about it. Don't ask me, but yes, I had a good Thanksgiving Thanksgiving well. I'm not anti-vax, but I'm not even anti-Thanksgiving. I'm just anti-trite and overused discussion topics.
00:01:33
Speaker
I like original thought.
Introduction of Kent and Edie (Gen ZD)
00:01:36
Speaker
What's not trite and overused is our two guests. ah One of my best friends, Kent, also known as KB, and his daughter, Edie, but who I'm going to call on this show, Gen ZD, our first Gen Z guest.
00:01:54
Speaker
Hello to the both of you.
00:01:58
Speaker
Hello. Yay.
Edie's FNAF Movie Enthusiasm and Generational Nostalgia
00:02:01
Speaker
All right. So a little background on the both of you Edie, the reason you're on this podcast is because two years ago, you sent a text to me and your father saying like, hey, guys, this FNAF movie is out.
00:02:18
Speaker
Let's go see it. And I was like, what the hell is a FNAF? And then you explain it was this this cool video game that was made into a movie. And then we went and saw it. It was Pandemonium.
00:02:29
Speaker
It was crazy. Kids jumping around everywhere. Trav, I think I told you this on um off pod. FNAF, the first time I saw or the only time I saw FNAF 1 in theaters. I know I only saw it once. eating Sorry. That is when I realized I was old because it was the first time I saw the generation below me have nostalgia.
00:02:51
Speaker
legitimate disclosure. They were like, Oh, I remember this when I was younger. I'm like, wait, you are young. How is this happening? It was good. You know, something else that's strange. The second one, which we're talking about today takes place in 2002, the year I graduated high school. So that's like their- No, it doesn't. FNAF 2? Yeah, it does. 20 years after 1982. Yeah. Yeah. Cause it starts off in 1982 and then it says 20 years Well, I mean, the game was like feature, like the game is like 1982. Like that's when the game is.
00:03:26
Speaker
Right. That was the, that was the prelude in the movie of FNAF 2. Yeah. FNAF 2 is like a prequel to FNAF. And then, but... but The game. The game. The game. Well, she's... See, Edie's so into the game that she defers to game lore. Yeah, there's like seven games. We're going to get into all this. Yeah, yeah we'll get into that we get it. is our subject matter expert today. Because we're talking about a new release that I was not as familiar with. Again, you saw with them two years ago, the original.
00:04:01
Speaker
But... When you put up big box office numbers, I feel like we have to cover it. So we will get into that movie shortly, but quickly before we do, quick, quick housekeeping. um For the pod, we have coming up our annual Spooky Awards. This is our best of 2025 horror movies. Happens every year. Happens every year. Just coincidentally, this is our first year we're doing the pod, so it's the first time we're doing this.
00:04:27
Speaker
um But we are looking at not just like best horror movie of the year, but all our awards we typically present on the pod. Best Jump Scare, Don't Go In There, Shyamalan Twist. We will look across all the movies that we covered on the pod, as well as plenty of other horror films with our nominations and then pick winners. So tune in for that. That's going to release on December 21st.
Annual Spooky Awards Preview
00:04:49
Speaker
We're going to record that shortly. This is one the last new releases we wanted to watch prior to having enough... ah horror films under our belt so to fanaf 2 make the nomination for best spooky movie of the year i don't know you have listen to this part um but we're looking forward to that we're looking forward to that if you don't already follow us on social media at the sundayscaryspod on instagram that's where really the one social media handle where we're posting anything about those awards so go follow us there
00:05:18
Speaker
Was that a shot at me for ah abandoning our Twitter account? No, you you are our social media. That's supposed to be credit to you because I bring nothing to the table. We need to outsource that, I think. Maybe Gen Z to throw this out. yeah Exactly. That's another area where our age is not doing us any favors. um But let's talk about movie news real quick before we jump into today's film.
00:05:38
Speaker
Well, if you needed further evidence that we are living in hell, you have it now. ah This morning was announced that we've been covering this on the pod for a few weeks.
00:05:51
Speaker
ah Whether you want to call it a fire sale or selling for parts, a WB Discovery has been put up for sale and Finding Suitors. And it was narrowed down to Paramount, Universal Comcast, and um a late ad was Netflix. And that's who won. Netflix just acquired ah not the ah cable package, not the cable TV network business of WB, but Netflix. WB Films and their whole digital library and the studio arm and HBO Max for a whopping $72 billion dollars and then also took on $10 billion of their debt, making it a unprecedented $82 billion dollars acquisition.
Netflix's Acquisition and Media Consolidation Concerns
00:06:35
Speaker
Unprecedented in the sense of what we've seen in media and streaming of this size. So... um I think the the initial takes that that I have are that, and I think a lot of people share this, industry people, a lot of the unions, is that this is not good, not very good at all um for a couple reasons. One is that consolidation in any form in this business right now Anchor 8, we've gone from you know ah seven really tried and true film studios down to now we're going to have four. um
00:07:10
Speaker
So that's less product in the marketplace, um that's job loss, that's less competition. But more so, it's Netflix's position on theatrical, the theatrical experience, the business model, and physical media.
00:07:23
Speaker
They're not about it. they They haven't been. they've They've been pretty consistent in their tone about um that. They think the future is streaming at your home. And this is what I'll say before I want to get y'all's reactions is this. Even if you are not an advent, you know, an ardent moviegoer like myself.
00:07:39
Speaker
and Travis, this still affects the quality that will come to your streaming platforms because movies still make most of their money at the box office. Okay. So even if you don't have the time or the money or the interest to go see movies in the theaters, by the time it gets you to your computer or your laptop or your tablet,
00:07:55
Speaker
it's going to, we have, you have higher quality product because of all the money it's making at the box office. And you take that away, you start to get closer to that Netflix flat lit slop that, uh, will slowly disintegrate what we have right now. Um, as far as the theatrical model and WB is a stalwart a hundred years in the business. So I hope Netflix changes their tune, but i'm I'm not stoked about it.
00:08:20
Speaker
And this year, I mean, Warner Brothers brought us sinners. They brought us Superman. They brought us weapons. They brought us The Conjuring Last Rites. I don't know, a little film if you've heard it. Yes, that's what I was going to bring up. Okay, sorry.
00:08:32
Speaker
But yeah, I mean, some of the biggest box office successes are in the case of One Battle After Another, of the most critically well-received films of the year. And that will be a major bummer if we see that wound down. Just consolidation in general is always scary for the industry. So...
00:08:48
Speaker
A lot to be seen still. I think the two so glimmers of hope that I would put out there for those looking for hope, there's really just two things. One is that ah the U.S. government ah shuts this down for antitrust laws, but putting the word hope and U.S. government the same sentence is... ah i don't have a lot of hope in that. The second thing is that Netflix pivots and they see the value in a theatrical model or at least yeah maybe they isolate their Warner Brothers films um to be, you know, to have 45-day windows, to have full wide releases. They've just never done that. And so it would take a pretty big pivot of their business model to do that. But I'm, you know, maybe...
00:09:29
Speaker
Ted Sarandas sees the value in it. It's a fifth a fifth of the marketplace gone right now, and we'll see how they respond to this responsibility because it's a big
FNAF 2 Release and Theater Experiences
00:09:38
Speaker
one. Well, on that cheery note, this is the Sunday Scaries. I'm Travis Telerik.
00:09:45
Speaker
I'm Ricky Townsend. And again, we're joined by KV and Edie as we are covering the new release, Five Nights at Freddy's 2, otherwise known as FNAF 2, which just came out this weekend. i think most of us, most all of us saw the Thursday showing. We were out there day one for the Thursday preview.
00:10:06
Speaker
I was not super familiar with this. I'm sure we have very varying degrees of familiarity with the IP in general, and we can get into that in a bit. But let's just start with like a baseline level.
00:10:20
Speaker
When did you guys see it? How was your theater experience this time around? Rick, I know you were saying it was pretty rowdy when you saw the first one. Yeah, I don't know if it was a product of us going to a different theater or on a Thursday instead of a Friday night, but it was much more tepid this time. Not as much pandemonium at all, actually. we had, i mean, Edie, describe this scenario the first time we saw or the first movie.
00:10:41
Speaker
Anytime, like, an actor that was, like, a streamer or, like, did FNAF stuff on YouTube, like, popped up. Because in the original FNAF, there were, like, more Easter eggs of, like, pop culture stuff in, like, the FNAF world. Like, the crowd would start, like, clapping.
00:11:01
Speaker
But, like, there was only, like, a couple pop culture moments in FNAF 2 that I could think of where, like, anybody would be like, yeah, woo. Well, I will say that the probably the most exciting part as far as outside of the movie is that we got there 30 minutes early. We thought that was enough time to like you know get some swag, catch up. i havenn't seen these I've been in Montana for three months. i haven't seen these guys in a while, so just wanted to catch up.
00:11:25
Speaker
Well, there was a big line to get some posters. free And we didn't get one. And we didn't get one. But what did we get, Edie? We got a giant FNAF popcorn bucket that like the eyes literally...
00:11:38
Speaker
Yeah, like use it. Light up. It's Freddy Fosbear. Oh, that's very cool. That's very cool. and Not only, but she got the last one. we we, we, yeah, we got the last one. They ran out of posters, which sucked, but then Edie jumped in line while we were waiting for the posters. And when that happened, we got to the front of the concessions line and, uh, we got the last Freddie. So, uh, that was a good thing.
00:12:03
Speaker
Trav, what was, what was your experience like? Your 9am showing? But I also realized completely skipped over as I often do. ah Rick, do you want to tell us what this movie is about for those who don't know?
00:12:17
Speaker
Sure. It's a very simple movie. um One year since the supernatural nightmare at Freddy Fazbear's Pizza, the stories about what transpired there have been twisted into a campy local legend, inspiring the town's first ever FazFest.
00:12:33
Speaker
With the truth about what transpired kept from her, Abby sneaks out to reconnect with Freddy, Bonnie, Chica, and Foxy, setting into motion a terrifying series of events that will reveal dark secrets about the true origin of Freddy's and unleash a long forgotten horror hidden away for decades.
00:12:50
Speaker
That's crazy you memorized all that. that you just love this franchise so much. I just, it's been mind. The real fan. So yeah, when I went to see it, and actually, first want to speak to Edie's point.
00:13:03
Speaker
That's funny what you mentioned. I did not pick up on any of the Easter eggs or these pop culture references or nearly as many in the first film. But the second film, at least for my generation, I saw lot, like I saw Wayne Knight, who's Newman from Seinfeld in the movie. I'm like, finally, some people I know, like here's some B-list celebrities where I'm like, yep, they got my people here.
00:13:23
Speaker
um but We can talk about a few more of them as well. But this is the film where I saw more familiarity, I'd say, with what I'm used to outside the franchise. um My film, it was pretty good. I saw Thursday afternoon showing, the earliest one that Cinemark offered in my area, which was like 2.15 p.m. Theater was 25% full. It's hard to get out midday, I think, on a Thursday, even if it's the first day of showings.
00:13:47
Speaker
The most regrettable part is someone who is sitting directly behind me And I have a pretty good ear for this with small kids of my own, brought either a two-year-old or a three-year-old based
Theatrical Model vs. Streaming Debate
00:13:57
Speaker
on their speech ability to the movie, which is, i know this is um aimed towards younger audiences, but but not that young. And the kid was like terrified. And the parents had to keep taking the kid in and out of the theater and walking like up and down and past me. i was like, what is going on? So it's,
00:14:14
Speaker
It's hard to distract me during theaters. I think on a recent ep, Rick, you brought up how someone's like cell phone brightness distracted you. and And kudos to you for putting a stop to that. I did not have the nerve to tell these parents how to handle Get your kid out of here. Get that damn baby out of here. that's That's the risk you take with a weekday matinee. Yeah, I i guess that's right. but non A weekday matinee. That's what that's how I say, because most of the horror movies we cover R-rated. And I'm assuming they would not allow you as a parent to bring a small child into that. But when you get to PG-13, it's just anything goes. Okay.
00:14:51
Speaker
you can go You can go with a guardian. if if you Go to an R-rated movie under 17 if you're with a guardian. You bring a two or three-year-old into don't know what the rules are with there. okay Toddlers are in a weird space because bars don't allow people under 21, but below two, you can come in. If you're between three and 20, you can't go, but if you're one and two and a half, you can. don't understand the reason. That's your window underage drink. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Three-year-olds is where the bartender's eye, and I'm like, hey, don't try anything funny here. That mustache is fake.
00:15:25
Speaker
yeah um You mentioned having to take the kid out every time there was something scary. Kent was having to do that with Edie throughout the movie, so I understand. What? What's going on there? No. It is. Well, that transitions us. This is kind of scary movie. I'm not going to lie. that's exactly what was say. That transitions us to how we feel about the movie, and I thought there there are things I don't necessarily love about the movie. and We can get into that. But focusing on the positives, this is a pretty scary movie. Some good jump scares, a lot of them, and some creepy animatronics and in set design.
00:16:04
Speaker
I know they ah brought back Jim Henson's Creature Shop, and we can talk more about that in production notes. where a lot of the, at least the practical effects they use, because they did use more CGI in this one, it looked like. But a lot of those creatures were pretty scary, and they they got me to jump multiple times. Like, I was...
00:16:21
Speaker
Maybe I wasn't as engrossed in the plot, but I was frequently scared throughout this film. So I think that's a transition to you guys. Like, yeah Edie, I'd love to hear from you. Like, what do you think with the second film? Does it hold up to your high standard for IP and the franchise overall in the first film? Or were you disappointed in any way?
00:16:41
Speaker
um I actually thought the first FNAF was better than the second one, but I think both the movies were like kind of bad, like dialogue wise and like screen writing wise. So I can't really like.
00:16:53
Speaker
I don't know. It just wasn't like Sinners level. Yeah. Okay. Name dropping here. I think that's a hot take, but I'll go with it. Compare and contrast Sinners. Sinners good. FNAF bad.
00:17:10
Speaker
i think, yeah, Edie, it's your connection to the franchise. I mean, you're a bigger fan of the franchise itself than the films, I feel like, right? Yeah. Yeah. So what is it that captured that you think that captured the attention of everybody your age or around your age?
Origins and Appeal of FNAF Games
00:17:25
Speaker
Because this guy tried to make like a bunch of Christian games at first, Scott Cothlin. Oh, yeah.
00:17:31
Speaker
And then didn't work. And then he was like, whatever, I'm frustrated. going to make some scary horror game. And what why do you think it caught storm? what Why do you guys all like it? I know it got popular originally because there is a streamer.
00:17:42
Speaker
And watch and you guys you guys would watch them play? Yeah, yeah. I like watching people play it rather than I like playing it. Have you guys played it at all? um Travis and Ricky? I never did. I played the original when it came out. I love all things scary.
00:17:58
Speaker
And this was a genuinely scary game. It came out on mobile. um And I think the same goes for the movies, right? This is a winning IP formula of animatronics are scary. Like he, Scott, oh, Scott Cawthon. Cawthon? Does that sound right, Edie? Yeah.
00:18:16
Speaker
Perfect. Scott Cawthon tapped into some primal fear that had been unrealized to date with like Chuck E. Cheese, right? That's really what it's ripping off of, of Charles E. Cheese in that establishment with animatronics at a kid's restaurant where they're more aged now, they're more dated. And you look back at that as adults and you're like those are somewhat terrifying. And so he tapped into that. And even though they're slow moving, they can suddenly pop up where you don't expect them to. And that's what makes the game very scary and in turn makes the movies pretty scary. You're right. It's like, it really taps into a really basic, like human fear of, you know, what's around the corner or how can survive the night kind of thing.
00:19:02
Speaker
um It's actually a brilliant game for what it is. It's, it's very simple. um I was going to ask you guys a side note, being that Ricky, you grew up in California and Travis, did you grow up in the Denver area or where
Nostalgia for Animatronic-themed Restaurants
00:19:15
Speaker
are you from? yeah Boulder area. I'm from California originally, but moved to Boulder, Colorado when I was very young.
00:19:21
Speaker
Okay. i I moved around a little when I was a kid. So Chuck E. Cheese, I think it's like what everyone refers to. That's just kind of the catch-all term for those types of restaurants. Did you guys have regional specific ones that were something else? Because I had two others that I grew up with. I'm curious to hear. i was only familiar with Chuck E. Cheese.
00:19:42
Speaker
So I had, when I lived in West Virginia, when I lived in Tennessee, we had Showbiz Pizza, which was a big country bear with a banjo that was like on stage. And then had different characters, same exact, you know, deal.
00:19:57
Speaker
And then and when I lived in Ohio, we had Major Magics and he was like a ah ah band leader, like like a Beatles-esque Sergeant Pepper kind of band leader.
00:20:08
Speaker
And he had his own character. So I didn't know if you guys grew up with, with a different set in your regionalities. No, I didn't. I had Chuck E. Cheese and that was, that was it. I mean, I was loyal to Chuck There was like a, I think animatronic rage and most of in the eighties or nineties, because I, you know, I was a kid in the nineties. I remember it coming out then where our premier top of the line water park, water world in Colorado opened a ride called voyage to the center of the earth, which is a water ride with animatronic dinosaurs on it. And that was blowing our minds back in the day when they opened that up, which is so weird. Again, you go back now and it's so dated. It's somewhat creepy and off putting with how, how they ah interact with,
00:20:54
Speaker
He captured writers going back to tapping into something. I feel like it's not just the animatronics themselves. It's like what happens when that place shuts down for the night and it's all dark and they're just sitting there. And, ah you know, I actually so I've been reading ah Mary Shelley's Frankenstein recently um with Sarah because of the movie that came out and then she wants to watch it after she reads the book again.
00:21:18
Speaker
And that got me looking at Shirley Jackson novels, like some Gothic novels. And Travis, I know you're a fan of the of um ah Haunting of Hill House, the movie. But have you read the book? I have not.
00:21:30
Speaker
Okay, so the opening paragraph. Haunting of the Hill House was the TV series, just clarify. Correct. But the novel was made in 1959. And the opening paragraph reminds me of why, or or ah makes me think of why Five Nights at Freddy's is scary, or the concept. And I'm going to, it's it's only three sentences. I'm gonna read it to you.
00:21:50
Speaker
No live organism can continue for long to exist sanely under the conditions of absolute reality. Even larks and katydids are supposed by some to dream. Hill house, not sane, stood by itself against the hills, holding darkness within. It had stood so for 80 years and might stand for 80 more within walls continued upright. Bricks met neatly. Floors were firm and doors were sensibly shut.
00:22:14
Speaker
Silence lay steadily against the wood and stone of Hill house and whatever walked there walked alone and I just feel like it captures that stillness of just some there's just like these things are not moving and then something moves and it's weird and it's dark and things catch your eye and stuff and when I i haven't played the game but I've watched people play the game like you Edie it's those animatronics pop out of nowhere and it freaks me out so it's and I think the movie captures that pretty well I don't think it's a great movie but the I can think I got the fear element pretty good
00:22:46
Speaker
Yeah. Well, Rick, I know you probably have some choice words for this film. And so I'm curious, what what is your overall take here? It is scary. It is scary. ah let's look Again, we we celebrate films here. We try not to tear them down. ah I think Scott Coughen. Is it Coughen, Edie?
00:23:07
Speaker
Yeah, I think. And we talked about this before we started recording, know, but ah his his maniacal ah creative control, I think, is his could be his undoing here.
00:23:19
Speaker
um i thought the first film was was poorly written, but but serviceable. And i think this one, he he ah jettisoned everybody else out of the writer's room and it was he was the sole writer. And I think it very much shows that a non screenwriter wrote this film.
00:23:37
Speaker
um I just think people are just saying that they speak in expositions. They ah jump from ah like a lot of tonal inconsistency in these conversations from going about, like talking about dead kids all of a sudden to going on a date and and people randomly have objects that they need for the next scene. And um there's a lot of tropey kind of like well, I just don't feel like anyone gets me. And like, don't worry, you have things to offer.
Criticism of FNAF 2 Writing and Box Office Projections
00:24:05
Speaker
It's just like they're saying the tropes rather than like um exhibiting them through behaviors.
00:24:10
Speaker
And so, no i i don't think this will make my spooky top five of the year. um Again, I always like going to movies with Edie just because I like to see what what the youth are doing. But this is more of a social interest for me ah or a sociological interest than than like interest in the art form because...
00:24:30
Speaker
ah I don't have a connection to the game, really. so yeah My main hang-up was with the writing. like the production design. I like the props and the scares were good. But performances were fine. Except, oh, I thought the girl, the little girl, tough.
00:24:45
Speaker
I'm with you on that. I don't want to tear down child actors. She's got a ways to go. Addie. yeah let's let's let's keep getting those let's get Let's get those parents to keep paying for classes. I think she could use them.
00:24:58
Speaker
um Yeah, i think I think that's my take as well. the The first film went gangbuster. We'll talk about box office because of the IP. And this really highlights the case of a film where the movie isn't that critically well received at all.
00:25:15
Speaker
In fact, I'd it's It's 15% on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, I think it's it's only been out for you know little over 24 hours, but it's at like, I think 12% for critic reviews on Rotten Tomatoes.
00:25:26
Speaker
It's 0% for top critics. And then ah coincidentally though, the audience score Rotten Tomatoes is like 88% where people are getting out, they're seeing it and they're like, hey, yeah, this is good enough. This is an IP we love.
00:25:39
Speaker
And so we will be very forgiving of maybe classic filmmaking reviews ways and maybe the expectations you and I hold if it can pay them that fan service. And so it's, you know, it's akin to what we've seen with Marvel or other big pieces of IP and we're seeing it here.
00:25:54
Speaker
I think this is just a more drastic example where I don't, I can't think of like a Marvel movie that was executed this poorly as what we're seeing in Five Nights at Freddy's 2. So it's,
00:26:07
Speaker
and And maybe that ages in a fun way, being seen as like camp or off-putting. You know, it's like The Room. That's one of the worst made films of all time. but When you're mentioning The Room alongside another film, that's in a tough one for this film. Well, you mentioned Marvel, um but I think for Edie's generation, it's not going to be comic books that people remember. It's going to be a video game at adaptations. this is part of a huge burgeoning sub demographic sub genre of films. Whether you look at Super Mario Brothers, um Five Nights at Freddy's, you have ah The Last of Us is a video game. Sonic.
00:26:45
Speaker
sonic did gangbusters yeah zach craig is doing the new resident evil um like that's the new ah minecraft so i think this is part of a of a camp that is going to keep getting bigger and uh it'll probably be you know all ships rise when what's the saying the ships rise and the tide comes in boys girls how' does that go ah rising tide lifts all ships i believe is what you're looking for right I'll share Michael Scott at some point.
00:27:14
Speaker
Yeah. ah Yeah, so i think that's where I am as well. I'm glad I exposed myself to this type of horror film where I was not planning on watching it.
00:27:30
Speaker
I'm glad I went and saw this movie because I had no intention to until I started looking up you know the box office numbers from the first one, realizing what a sensation this is. I don't think I'll return to this anytime soon.
00:27:43
Speaker
Kent, you have anything to add? Anyone else want to comment on this before we keep moving forward? um i've I felt very similarly to what Ricky kind of shared. um I saw somebody make a quote, said a quote online that really captures it.
00:27:57
Speaker
Five Nights at Freddy's isn't a story. It's just a bunch of stuff happening. And I think that's that's what it is. I think that's perfect. There's a lot of stuff that I like didn't understand. like I just still don't understand what the FNAF Fest, Fright Fest. Yeah, they never really said they kind of showed it for like two seconds. don't know what that was. It's a lot of like...
00:28:19
Speaker
room and whiteboarded it out in early stages and ah the guy over here at the end of the conference table was like yeah that would be cool and then oh yeah that would be cool we should put that in there too but nobody really took the time to make it cohesive and then like hey why is this happening why do I care about this why how does this affect this other thing I think they just like literally storyboarded it out in a very linear fashion and um they're like well yeah that's a movie Did this feel like a movie where you kind of had to play the games to really appreciate it and get value out of it? Because there was a lot of like, oh, look at this happen. And I'm like, OK, it's another animatronic. Is this supposed to be important? Like, what's this reveal here? Why am I? Why are people excited about this? I mean, I think, like, with FNAF 2 like, the FNAF games, you don't really have to play it to understand the movies.
00:29:14
Speaker
But it, like, playing the games make you appreciate the movie more. Like, FNAF 2, like, the movie was not accurate to, like, the game at all. Like, I mean, the same animatronics were there, but, like, the storyline was, like, completely different.
00:29:28
Speaker
They definitely, like, shoved in dialogue. i I'm not an expert at the game, but I've, like, seen it enough. you know, like the whole thing where Josh Hutchinson's character is like sitting at the desk trying to disable the wireless connections with the animatronics. And, you know, he's, he's, he makes the comment twice. Like they had to like really feed it to you that like, it's so weird that there's no door here, you know? And that's like a big part of the gameplay. yeah the game The actual game is he's sitting in this room and he's trying to survive the night and it's,
00:30:02
Speaker
You know, that's, it's kind of, I guess a little tongue in cheek, like, yeah, why isn't there a door there? Whoever designed this was an idiot. Yeah. Right. Funny. Yeah. that I agree with all of that. He's just laughing when he said wrote that one.
00:30:17
Speaker
It does seem like now that Cothin was able to take full creative control for this one, he had very grand ideas in a ton of different thread lines for plot. And a lot of those are intertwined or left loose.
00:30:31
Speaker
It had high ambitions, and I feel like it might have failed to rise to to them. So I think we have consensus here. So probably no use continuing to beat a dead horse, as they say what about themes, Travis? ah I guess don't withhold secrets and slowly dole them out over time. And crazy eyes. if you if if If somebody has crazy eyes, watch out.
00:31:01
Speaker
yeah trauma Trauma is a big theme. What? that's Now that's innovative right there. Yeah. Would you say it's would you say it's generational? I couldn't tell. As a wise woman once told me, this is no sinners when it comes to how deep it is.
00:31:18
Speaker
um But yeah, let's let's keep going then. So we want to talk about production notes like we typically do. But with Edie here, our Gen Z representative, we've talked a little bit about the video game and this overall franchise. And Edie, we're hoping you can enlighten us a bit more about this FNAF world, about Freddy Fazbear's pizzeria.
00:31:40
Speaker
So like the games go in order from FNAF 4 to Sister Location to FNAF 2 to the first FNAF to FNAF 3 and then Freddy Fazbear's Pizza Simulator.
00:31:53
Speaker
Whoa. So there's like six, seven games out. Oh my gosh. You just do that. Yeah.
00:32:03
Speaker
She's got us. And then... So, basically, the FNAF lore... Okay. The first animatronics are made with moisture-sensitive springlock mechanics. So, like, if if like a suit gets like wet, the springlocks close in on the person inside because you can go inside of an animatronic.
00:32:31
Speaker
And that's what happened kind of in the first movie where William Afton died because he got trapped. He was killing a bunch of kids, but the room was wet and it like dripped in him. So while he was like killing the kids, the spring lock suit collapsed inside of him. Is there like a reason for these like death traps inside the animatronics? No, it was just the and 80s. It was that era, you know? Yes. Spring-loaded death suits was a thing back then. Edie, what is the basic gameplay loop?
00:33:08
Speaker
Okay, basically you're sitting in FNAF 2 you're sitting in an office without doors and there's like vents on either side of you and then there's a giant hallway and the only thing you have is a flashlight and a mask to like protect you and The entire time of the game, you're also trying to keep the music box wound up.
00:33:30
Speaker
So like the marionette, the puppet doesn't get you. Duh. This new film does draw a lot then from the from the game. Between the yeah music box, the marionette, the mask, the the yeah office without a door. That's good to know. Yeah.
00:33:47
Speaker
I thought that that part was cool where he was just like actually playing the game. Oh, yeah. He was playing the game with the computer. Yeah. Yes. um Awesome. Well, that's super helpful. I appreciate that, Edie.
00:33:59
Speaker
it Even as a self-proclaimed video game guy, like this is a game I played the original of, but I didn't know all these tie-ins, especially for the second film where a lot of those were based off the second game.
00:34:11
Speaker
I'm talking our run of the mill production stuff. So budget for this film is 36 million. That's a significant step up from the token, 20 million to make the first film.
00:34:23
Speaker
And so, yeah, almost almost doubled that. And again, talking about how the original was a big box office sensation. It made almost 300 million worldwide with roughly half of that being domestic, half of that international. So this is popular.
00:34:36
Speaker
overseas as well. So this is very popular IP where it could show a very limited budget, creating a huge outsized return here. Box office theory for the second one. Again, we're recording this on Friday. They're projecting somewhere are between 44 to 55 million for their opening weekend domestic call, which is a Pretty dang sizable opening weekend for our horror films for the year.
00:35:01
Speaker
Do you know what opening weekend was for the first one? I don't. 80 million. ah The first was 80 million? 80 million. weekend? domestic that that's an atypical box office run then right where it does that much open oh yeah oh of course 131 globally biggest horror star of 2023 yeah so this is not going to reach that but that was that was unreal i remember that actually because it was like later in the year yeah yeah i mean even if it doesn't measure up to what the first film did it's still on track or looking like this could be a big hit again which is why
00:35:39
Speaker
we can talk about this a bit more when we get into spoilers. I think they have the third film teed up and ready to go um seamlessly from this one into that one. They're planning on extending this universe even further. nothing is Seamlessly is pretty generous, but they have, um they have intended to roll right into the third film after this one.
00:35:59
Speaker
um Okay. So we talked about Scott Cawthon, This is his game. The original came out in 2014. It's self-published as well, which is really cool.
00:36:10
Speaker
That became such a big sensation. the crazy part about production we're talking with him is the movie rights were initially bought, I think by Warner Brothers in 2015. And it went into production hell for for six, seven years, bouncing around studios, different names attached to it, different directors attached to it.
00:36:31
Speaker
Until it finally ended up with Emma Tammy. Are you familiar with Emma Tammy's work at all, Rick, or anyone on this call? I'm not. am not either. Fun fact. i I'm pretty sure I read that one of the original directors on this was Christopher Columbus.
00:36:47
Speaker
What? Really? Which would have been a very interesting yeah like ah guy to do it. But anyway, that's just... That is interesting. Of Harry Potter and and Home Alone fame.
00:37:00
Speaker
That would have been... um I will say just a quick shout out to my my colleague here on this ah current project I'm on. Danny Gonzalez was the second second assistant director on ah friday Five Nights at Freddy's 2. Oh, cool.
00:37:14
Speaker
Yeah. We don't like each other very much, but I thought I would still shout him out. ah He said he had a good time shooting the film and I had great things to say about Emma. um And that's it. That's what, that's what we'll stop that.
00:37:28
Speaker
Yeah. You should have had him on this podcast. He's, he's way bigger deal than us. well I mean, he probably would have said yes, but again, we don't get along that well. So I don't know if that would have been a great show.
00:37:40
Speaker
So Emma Tammy directs the first film again after Bouncer and multiple directors. Lots of speculation that this was in production hell for so long because Scott Cothin, Cothin, sorry.
00:37:55
Speaker
had very tight creative control over his IP. And that is hard to work with. So he ends up co-writing it with Emma Tammy, the first film. The second one, he just writes exclusively by himself. So now he's fully reined in creative control the screenwriting. Like we alluded to earlier, some of that shows where I, again, even going back to the games, I think the games were really known for,
00:38:16
Speaker
like vibes games, like very scary, a lot of scary ambience horror there. The gameplay itself, the loop was fairly simplistic. And I think you see that as well in the screenwriting where he can, he could scare us still, but the screenwriting is fairly simplistic as well.
00:38:33
Speaker
Yeah, it it hit it hinges on the scares, but the the filler around it is where it suffers. And unfortunately, there's a lot. I will. I will give two credit. I thought one had a lot more just trauma drama that I didn't want to be hearing about. Yes. And this one had more action. I will say that. Yeah. It's what had more action, more kills.
00:38:53
Speaker
which This one jam-packed the scares in there and got away from that silly, sad plot line about Josh Hutcherson. We saw more of what caused the trauma versus just them complaining about it. I want to see what's causing this trauma with all the fucking kills and stuff.
00:39:09
Speaker
That first film at least had 15 to 20 minutes of screen time dedicated to just reliving that same dream sequence again and again and again. so I was very happy to be be done with that.
00:39:19
Speaker
RIP Josh Hutcherson's little brother. but So again, Emma Tammy directs this one just like she did the first, but Scott Coughin ends up writing this one by himself.
Emma Tammy and Production Challenges of FNAF 2
00:39:30
Speaker
They also bring back Jim Henson's Creature Shop.
00:39:33
Speaker
can we just say this real fast chat before the Jim Henson stuff? Yeah. Very interesting dynamic where a a director ah co-writes a film that they direct, and then it does really well the box office, and then they are not involved with the writing process for the sequel. That is that has not happened very much at all.
00:39:57
Speaker
I have to wonder how those conversations went. i mean, this guy must have a great lawyer or just really stubborn because he he's a producer. He's still the IP rights holder, screenwriter. I mean, just interesting conversation. Be like, hey, Emma, thanks for your directing and writing last time. How about you just direct this time? Thank you.
00:40:14
Speaker
he He felt like he was able to take his training wheels off of off his bike off after the first film and now can ride by himself. wait i want to play I want to play Scott Cawthon's Christian game called Pilgrim's Progress. Sounds like something J.D. Vance would really like.
00:40:30
Speaker
He has another one that's like about knights and stuff. Like kings. Like the Crusades? Yeah, like medieval. Yeah. Are they scary games? Pilgrim's Progress doesn't sound too scary. So i'm assuming he really found his niche when he pivoted to... to I think he had the wrong audience. They're like RPG games. He needs to go to like the... Yeah.
00:40:53
Speaker
He should be at the Turning Point USA conference with these or something. Yes, that is the right audience there. um So they bring back Jim Henson's creature shop. Jim Henson, of course, famous for the Muppets. This is the best puppeteer in US history.
00:41:13
Speaker
And I like this. We've ragged on the movie a bunch about things they did not do well. But going with practical effects and puppets for the animatronics was a very good decision.
00:41:27
Speaker
I will say in this second film, I'm a bit disappointed. can you see like the newer iterations of all the animatronics and they are flashier and they do use a bit more CGI in this film. It looked like, but there's still a lot of practical effects with these, you know, created practical puppets or. Yeah.
00:41:46
Speaker
I don't know if they're actually puppets, but puppet looking animatronics. Yeah. they look so that's That's definitely a high point. they look, they look, they look lived in, so to speak.
00:41:57
Speaker
yeah yeah uh and died in or did you have anything good one good one um you guys have anything else production wise before we pivot to cask there's a fairly long cast list and it's worth calling out a few of these names no i mean i think totally agree um some of those costumes have like that asmr quality where you would want to reach out and just like touch the characters or something like yeah feel the materials yeah they look they look um weathered and old and like some of those animatronics you'd see at those those amusement parks or chucky cheeses i there's a world where these are completely cg uh created and and just does not work but I do wonder how many how much of this was people in suits versus animatronics versus puppets.
00:42:49
Speaker
um Maybe I'll ask my my friend Danny about that. I'd be very curious if they actually had to put children in those suits to operate them. That would really bring this full circle here. It really was kids in suits the whole time. Hopefully they're spring loaded. um All right. so a lot of the cast from the first film returned. So the primary cast of Josh Hutcherson from Hunger Games fame, Elizabeth Hale plays Vanessa. She's a little lesser known, but she was a TV actress from Once Upon a Time and the the Netflix series You.
00:43:24
Speaker
Piper Rubio is ah our child actress, Abby, who can talk bit about, but not. but She's a what? ah I struggle with her performance. Like we were saying.
00:43:37
Speaker
Child actress. Yeah. Okay. I look forward see where she goes in her career. We do. I wish we wish i think her haircut is really bad. I ah a eatdi i agree. and I think that was part of the problem.
00:43:50
Speaker
What was all about? think it's funny though because her and Josh Hutcherson, who are supposed to be brother sister, don't look that much alike other than they kind of have the same haircut with the bangs cut like straight across the front. So was like, oh, maybe that's how we know they're related.
00:44:03
Speaker
we got to make them look related. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I don't really love Josh Hutcherson either. I feel like it's unfair to lay all the blame at her feet. um He kind of disappeared after the Hunger Games. Like he's been in a few other movies. He was a child actor before then too. he was in like Bridge to Terabithia.
00:44:22
Speaker
But since Hunger Games,
Career Reflections on Josh Hutcherson and Wayne Knight
00:44:25
Speaker
can you imagine like Jennifer Lawrence's career has just freaking skyrocketed since that franchise and he kind of just fell by the wayside. he's He's got that Hunger Games money. He'll be all right.
00:44:36
Speaker
Yeah, he'll be fine. He'll be fine. um And then we get Matthew Lillard returning. I know. Interesting. Who's a bonafide Scream King and an actor I actually love, right? Because he yeah obviously starred in the original Scream. He's in 13 Ghosts, which is like a scoobyd do lesser known, but one of my favorite 90s horror films. Scooby-Doo. This is Shaggy right here. um Not a horror movie, but we just watched Serial Mom Rick and he's in that as well. A young Matthew Lillard.
00:45:04
Speaker
ah he's also and He's also in Twin twin Peaks The Return 2017. twenty seventeen Yes. yeah did i i saw that listed. As you know, I have not seen Twin Peaks The Return, so I can't verify he's in that. but Horror elements to it, for sure.
00:45:18
Speaker
Yes. I love Matthew Lillard. Yeah, I do too. And it's a bummer. He is in this second film and they put his name high up in the credits. right you know You get like one long dream set piece with him and that's that's about it And so I was bummed we didn't see more of him in this film.
00:45:37
Speaker
um And then we have a lot of new cast. So speaking of Matthew Lillard, they bring in Skeet Ulrich, who was the ah white spoiler for Scream. Well, major spoiler for Scream. The co-villain with Matthew Lillard. i was like, man, this great. With Matthew Lillard, yeah.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah, a very small scene he plays in this film. It was great to see him. I talked about they bring in Wayne Knight, who... Did you watch Seinfeld, Rick? I know you're not really with me on the pop culture references. Newman!
00:46:02
Speaker
Yeah, this is Newman. This is Newman. He's like the all-time greaseball from the 90s and 2000s, famously Jurassic Park as well, right? Yeah. um And he plays a very similar character in this film as well. Uh-uh.
00:46:15
Speaker
Yes. He's the world's worst science teacher, I think, or robotics teacher in this film. Does not support as kids at all. Very intent on defending his title for the science fair. Not likable. Not likable at all. yeah i like I like when he drops Abby's science fair project and then one of kids goes, you're big a dick. Yeah. That's actually i've been know my favorite line.
00:46:40
Speaker
um ah And also so occasionally confused for Josh Mostel. Have you guys seen Billy Madison, the creepy teacher? Oh, the principal.
00:46:51
Speaker
It's very similar to Wayne Knight. If you yeah you Google Josh. Oh, yes. I remember him. Yes. I thought you were saying he was in this movie as well. No, no, no, he's not. Yeah. Kind of our grease balls of the 90s and early 2000s.
00:47:05
Speaker
And it's some other names. There's a Freddie Carter. There's McKenna Grace. She's another child star. She's been in a few horror movies, actually. and They're kind of coming into these early adulthood roles. There's Tio Briones, who is the younger brother from Final Destination Bloodlines. He shows up in this as well. Yeah, the camera guy.
00:47:23
Speaker
He's the camera guy, exactly, for the Spectral Scoopers. And then, uh, horrible name, by the way. Yes. That was one of my, thank you. I was going to bring that. That is a TV program in this fictional universe. Instead like ghost hunters or anything exciting like that.
00:47:43
Speaker
They, he had to go for alliteration, I guess. And he names it spectral scoopers. Sounds like you're picking up ghost poop or something. Yeah. Or something. That sounds like literally the company you hire to come to your yard after dark while everyone's asleep and they'll go pick up all your like pet droppings for you.
00:48:03
Speaker
Oh, good. I'm glad you brought that up. That was something I definitely wanted to touch on. um Did you know the voice for the Chica animatronic of this film was Megan Fox? Okay. You guys saw this as well. i but I'm going I'm going read you a text I got from, from Kent.
00:48:18
Speaker
He sent me a screenshot. It says Megan, her Megan Fox is IMDB page. And it says toy Chica voice. And he's like, what a waste of onscreen talent.
00:48:31
Speaker
but
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah. And Edie, I apologize this dates us a bit, but when Megan Fox came out in the original Transformers film over a decade
Megan Fox's Role and Plot Confusion in FNAF 2
00:48:42
Speaker
ago. Oh, yeah. She was super hot. Dude. All-time. All-time smoke show. Yes. Top of the world.
00:48:47
Speaker
Like Josh Hutcherson, she's disappeared a bit. Actually, she's been in more films I've seen recently than well but have. Well, have you seen Jennifer's Body? Yes, love Jennifer's body. I have not, but it keeps getting reclaimed every year as like a really underrated, good movie that was was ruined by bad marketing. But as it seems to have been is like a cult classic, I guess, as a really good horror film. Megan Fox says it's her favorite film that she's been in.
00:49:13
Speaker
It's great. I highly recommend it. I mean, it's on, I think, my horror 200 list for my favorite 200 horror films of all time. It's it's up there. it's Kent, what's your favorite Megan Fox video or a movie video that you've seen?
00:49:30
Speaker
Oh, man. ah She was in one of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle reboots, right? She was. Yeah. Casey, I think, is the character's name, right? Yeah. She's great. Is she still with... um Machine Gun Kelly. ah I think they have a child together.
00:49:47
Speaker
i think they're just co-parenting at this point, guys, sometimes unfortunately to say. They're consciously uncoupled and now they're co-parenting? Yes. Just like the Goop founder, Gwyneth Paltrow and Chris Martin of Coldplay. The uncoupling heard around the world. Yeah, that's great. that's They're making it work. Do you guys know about Megan Fox's thumbs?
00:50:09
Speaker
No. Google Megan Fox's thumbs. Hold on.
00:50:16
Speaker
There's nothing wrong with this, by the way. It's just a unique feature. oh it like She has toe thumbs. Oh. Oh, I hate people that have toe thumbs. Okay. eating I didn't know that was a thing. this isn't exclusive the This is an inclusive podcast, all right? We don't hate people for their appearances. I don't hate them for their appearance. I hate their appearance.
00:50:37
Speaker
Okay. So you you don't hate them as a person. You just hate the way they look. I'm sure that makes her feel a lot better, yeah. Travis, is that what you teach your kids? Yeah.
00:50:50
Speaker
Yeah, toe thumbs. Some of us have them. Some of us. ah Well, unless you guys have any other thumbs worth calling out. I have some thumbnails of Megan. Yeah.
00:51:04
Speaker
oh oh So ah I think we're okay. We could start to get into our spoiler territory now for people who haven't seen the film. This is where you are warned. the where We could start spoiling. Let's jump right into our scarometer.
00:51:20
Speaker
So out of 10, and Edie and Kent, we'll let you guys go first. You don't have to feel anchored to where Rick and I are. Out of 10, where would you rate this film for how purely scary it is? Not how good of a film it is, yeah just how scary it is.
00:51:36
Speaker
A four. Wow. You got ice in your veins, Edie. I'm impressed. Yeah. i I was going to say probably a five or even a six.
00:51:50
Speaker
and why and Why would you say that, Kent? um I think i the the jump scares are great. A lot of psychological things going on. So um i I think visually they they pulled those parts off wonderfully. Yeah, the marionette was, for as as odd as it was that it was in the film, because it's not really a normal animatronic, it was very scary and effective character to me.
00:52:19
Speaker
Yes. The way it moved, yeah, like floated and kind of almost ghost-like in some some scenes. I got very upset when they they kind of switched partway through the film from the puppet marionette to like a live action actress as the marionette. And I i did not like that because the puppet was especially creepy.
00:52:40
Speaker
um Those those were some of the scariest moments, I'd agree. Rick, where are you on your scurometer? I want to know what you put. I put a seven. I think oh part of it might be like you're saying this movie is so damn confusing and hard to pick up the threads that when you get scared, it truly is at a left field. You're not expecting it. You have no idea what's going on. It's literally like if someone was like spinning you around in a circle repeatedly and then suddenly you get punched in the face. It's a lot harder to speak coming then guys see the guy who you see kind of cock up their fist.
00:53:11
Speaker
You're so busy trying to figure out what the hell's going on with the actual plot line. Travis, you just you just described you just described my experience watching that movie. like I don't know what the fuck was going on, and there's like these animatronics and these guys being sad, and this girl is sad, and all of a sudden this freaky marionette runs into the screen or whatever. I'm just like, shit, okay. like I jumped multiple times during this film. There is never like the um i'd say the more quintessential horror film scene of like longn long, drawn-out dread where you need to like cover your eyes, where they're building up to something very scary. There's not a lot of that. There's just a lot of like, holy shit, what just happened moments yeah that that kept me on the edge of my seat. Yeah. um
00:53:54
Speaker
I'm with you guys. I had a six. I had a six. so Okay. So wait, let's let's do the average here. So Kent, I heard Kent gave a 5.5 because he said five or six. So 5.5 plus... You can give it a six.
00:54:07
Speaker
You want to go to the test? Yeah. I mean, we're technical about this stuff. We want the numbers to be round. Oh, they're not, though. they're never They never are. Not anymore, at least.
00:54:18
Speaker
ah Our average, guys, is is a 5.625. We'll call it a 5.7. Yeah. i it's It's scary. It's definitely on the scarier side of the equation. so yeah I think all of us except for Edie agree there. Edie, I'm curious, if I could put you on the spot, what would be like a high-rated movie on your scary meter?
00:54:45
Speaker
So if this is a four, what's a film that's at least like a six or seven for you? Ooh, if it was just like... Okay, my probably scariest movie would probably be Terrifier 2. That's pretty scary movie.
00:55:00
Speaker
That would be high up.
00:55:05
Speaker
Yeah, Terrifier is pretty... Gruesome. That's like kind of taking the crown from Eli Roth and Hostel for splatter. porn as they call it where it's just like very gory splatter porn is that the name of the subgenre is that it's called it's traves favorite subreddit for gory over the top right right of course subgenre of horror i think i think torture porn is what you were going for yeah i think that sounds better oh well oh well
00:55:40
Speaker
You can leave it in. They had a Travis's search history.
00:55:49
Speaker
Anyways. um Okay. Highlights. Let's move to, let's move to, ah do you want to do deep cuts first? Oh, yeah, sure. I had none because I don't know any of the references. So I was really leaning on. Oh, wait. Did you have deep cuts for this, Trav?
00:56:03
Speaker
Yeah, there's some good music in this movie. The song opens up in 1982 with the song Maniac by Michael Cimbello playing. I didn't catch that. like the cold open in the in the restaurant. She's a maniac. Oh, yeah. Okay. On the floor. Yeah. um Later, we have our our favorite group, the ah Spectral Scoopers, driving in their car. And this was like an all-time me growing up song. The song is named absolutely, but it also goes by Story of a Girl by Nine Days. is And that's playing in their van. Yes. This is the story of a girl. They cried a river drowned whole world.
00:56:48
Speaker
and then um they frequently played the song talking in your sleep by the romantics that that plays a few times throughout the film so all all good songs i'm a fan i guess i was i was too scared to know the aspects of the film yeah um all right now we can move to highlights then well no want to know if ed had any deep cuts Oh yeah. Do you have, besides the few that you mentioned already from the game where I think you mentioned the mask, the the doorless office, the the marionette and the music box. Is there any other Easter eggs we should be aware of from the film that ties back to the games or other pop culture references?
00:57:25
Speaker
There was like a moment where Abby and her brother were going like back to visit her friends. So like, 30 minutes through the movie and Josh Hutchinson like pressed on the plushie and it played that or or or thing and I was like a pop culture reference it's like a tick tock meme oh so it's the song itself is the meme or is it the little plushie or is it both this the song itself and did that song come from the game
00:57:59
Speaker
No, it's just like a really on TikTok. it So he just put a non FNAF meme or TikTok audio into the game, into the movie. Well, I mean, like it's a FNAF themed like meme. Oh, I see. It's not like in the actual game.
00:58:14
Speaker
So somebody made that noise and made it an audio that people are using on TikTok. And then he used that in the movie. And then you said over text. service Yeah. Pre-pod, there was some streamer in the game or in the movie. Oh, yeah. The taxi driver, Corey X Kenshin, came back.
00:58:32
Speaker
He's a FNAF. he does He was in the first one, right? Yeah. That's that recurring bit where every time he pulls up to pick someone up, one of the animatronics gets in the cab. Like that that guy? Yeah.
00:58:44
Speaker
e Okay. He's like the limo driver in Die Hard. He's kind of like the comic relief in those situations. Whoa, what's this thing doing in my car? yes That's my favorite FNAF bit, I think.
00:59:05
Speaker
Oh man. All right. Well, let's go to highlights to talk about our other favorite FNAF bits. Um, so favorite parts of the film. It's usually like one scene or set piece that really stood out to you guys. Um, maybe to give them some context, Rick, if you want to start and then make sure.
00:59:20
Speaker
I agree on their own i I, I found myself really liking the part where the animatronics start to close in on the household and break it into the windows.
00:59:32
Speaker
Uh, that that felt like a lot of things culminating and I did feel tension and it was fun and it was scary and I didn't know how they're going to get out of it. So, and I'm bringing this up though, because I think Edie, if I remember correctly, Edie, we were talking about highlights after we saw the movie together.
00:59:48
Speaker
Yours, it takes place shortly after that, unless you pick the different highlight of like the resolution there, but the impending doom of all those things, just like, crashing through the windows and and closing in on ah on their prey, on our on our characters, I really liked. It was just a good kind of a climactic point.
01:00:09
Speaker
No, you stole my favorite part. No, I thought yours was when they get saved. That was when they got saved. But they get saved from the things coming through the windows.
01:00:23
Speaker
So immediately after, yeah, with the good animatronics showing up. Yeah. cant What about yourself? Anything different than those? deep The ending scene was probably my favorite, but one, I guess if you want to look at it through the lens of fan service, the whole scene where he's disabling um all the features in the security room back at the actual pizza place, you know, they they do a few things. they We were joking earlier about the door, how he references that from the video game.
01:00:53
Speaker
But then there's also a head of an animatronic sitting in the corner of the room that he puts on when the kind of the evil animatronics are coming after him. and Yeah, the mask. The mask, yeah. And just just like in the game, it's it's a tool you can use to basically mask yourself so that they can't see you and you can survive longer. And he was using that and in the movie. So that they did a good job of like...
01:01:23
Speaker
shoehorning those things in for people who who enjoyed the gameplay. So um I thought, you know, that wasn't that was kind of an interesting scene. like those.
01:01:34
Speaker
Yeah, I like those too. Yeah, mine was um talking about shoehorning. Our favorite ghost hunting group, the Spectral Scoopers, just characters with completely out of left field, not really tied to the plot at all.
01:01:49
Speaker
But when they show up near the early part of the film to Fuzzy Fuzzbear's Pizzeria, this new location, Like that is a relatable horror trope where I knew what we were in for right then. And it's, you know, I could argue about how well those characters were integrated and how it serves the plot. But at least I knew right when they showed up, i was like, oh, these guys are about to get murked by some animatronics. And it was some exciting, exciting kills and scares all within that next set piece once they get into the restaurant. So I like that for just like bread and butter, vanilla horror scares right there. Spectral scoopers got scooped.
01:02:26
Speaker
They got scooped. One guy literally got scooped up from the ceiling. He did. Oopsies. um All right. Let's talk. Awards. I will give some context. Rick hates when I let's give this. He thinks it should stand by itself. But we have an award called the Ben Gardner Award. This is for our favorite jump scare in the film. This is a super deep cut because there is a character, a very minor character in the film Jaws, where you see his head floating in the water and you have a good jump scare from that. He's still attached the to the neck and the torso. Yes. yeah The head is what scares you. So this is our favorite jump scare from the film. I'm curious what you guys have here for this scariest moment that made you jump out of your seat.
01:03:08
Speaker
eighty so i under eighty was't I undercut you on the last one. why don't you start this one off? ah It was when the marionette got McKenna Grace. Yeah. and When it like comes out, she's down in like the cellar area of the restaurant. Yeah. And she's investigating around the box and it gets her. That was one of the first jump scares of the movie.
01:03:30
Speaker
Yeah. that's yeah That was mine. That was actually mine too. Was is that the one that where to just goes towards the like the camera like it it like almost it almost like 3D like it jumps. yeah Yeah, it was actually very effective. I was like, damn, I was like moved back in my seat a little bit. Yeah, i was my favorite that marionette puppet was terrifying.
01:03:49
Speaker
um I like a lot of scares from that scene. I'm going to go with maybe not the biggest jump scare, but it caught me completely out of nowhere. You find out near the end of the film, when the bad animatronics have now entered Abby's home and Josh Hutcherson's home, that he has disconnected them from the grid, except for Chica is going rogue because apparently you realize, wait, is it being operated by the marionette?
01:04:13
Speaker
And before I could put two and two together, Chica's at Abby's bedside and you get like straight out of the film Alien, like a chest burster scene where the marionette just like erupts from Chica's animatronic chest out to get her. And that that got me to jump. And it was good. I don't know if it was intentional. I'd assume so. But thanks. I'm homage to Alien. So.
01:04:34
Speaker
I'll take that as my favorite jump scare. did The, the marionette reminded me of, um, of the spirit and spirited away. The, yes, the no, no face, I think is the name. No face or no. Yeah. The one throwing out gold coins to everyone and get it nice and plump and then realizes the error of his ways. But yeah, right. I think that's exactly right. Like that.
01:04:57
Speaker
That is a good comparison. yeah um what So we have another award that's very uniquely named as our cantaloupe award. And for the sake of going too deep into it, this is for the scene in the film where it is hard to watch. You have to typically watch the gaps in your fingers or cover your eyes and ears.
01:05:17
Speaker
Where it's building this sense of dread and stress, your heart rate is getting up. So not necessarily a jump scare itself, but usually a longer period where you're nervous that something's about to happen.
01:05:28
Speaker
For me, it was any of the scenes that featured acting or dialogue. That's great. I love that because I had nothing. And now that you said that, I'm like, yes, that is it for me. That was the hardest part to watch. I was cringing as well. Anytime the child would talk. The child. They they always did like this like choppy kind of like... ah everything Everything was dramatic and like they... they can't can't I can't believe this. It's like everything was broken up. and
01:06:04
Speaker
oh my gosh. The date was hard to watch. Josh Hutchinson and the girl from You. yeah it's It's not a date, Edie. It's not a date. It wasn't a date, but their hangout. Their dinner was really bad. The tie and shirt he chose to wear. like Ricky and i both mentioned that after the movie. It was it was interesting. Oh, that's that's ah that has another award for me later down the line.
01:06:28
Speaker
One scene right after their date night, we're now Josh Hutcherson. He's at his house, which for some reason they're remodeling or refinishing, and they never really pick up the thread of what the heck's going on yes yeah tra As a big real estate guy, what's the value on that home, you think?
01:06:44
Speaker
I don't know where they're located. I don't know what's going on. They were painting walls with still like the wallpaper partially attached. I don't know if they were planning to rip off the wallpaper then they're wallpaper over the painted walls or what the play was there. We're stepping on dull knives bit. I feel like we have a lot coming up. Sorry, for the writing and the dialogue.
01:07:06
Speaker
So this is right after the date. Josh Hutcherson and ah Elizabeth Hale are now on the front porch of the home. Oh my gosh. Suddenly he does this about face where now he's really upset with her. And I just cannot follow. I was like, wait, what happened? I thought, I thought you guys liked each other. Dude, he's mad at her for too much for me.
01:07:23
Speaker
We're not telling her, telling him about a time that when she was 12, that some girl died and she saw a girl get murdered. Yes. He's like, I can't trust you. And she's like, that's not me. And it was just like, Oh, this is, this is wasnt he mad that she had a brother or something.
01:07:40
Speaker
You didn't tell me you had brother. He brings that up at the end too. When their life's lifestyle on the line. um Well, that that's great. Unforgivable. Because I didn't have a cantaloupe award and that easily takes mine as well. um Do you guys have any other peak ah heightened moments of stress or peak fear here that are deserving or should we just move on?
01:08:01
Speaker
I mean, it's not going to top. I had a slight one. It's not going to top that. so let's see That's great. That's great, Kent. All right. So now we're getting to our ah deaths. So we we distinguish two different types of deaths here. We'll start with our cannon fodder.
01:08:18
Speaker
death this is like our appetizer it's typically a uh a character who dies that doesn't really serve the plot they were just thrown in there for entertainment now a lot of that could probably be said for this movie so we're trying to say central character a non-central character's death that is purely thrown in there just for up in the kill count in the film and so curious who you guys have for this one I think it's the, I'm going to mess up the name, the ghost hunters. um yeah know
01:08:49
Speaker
which is Spectral scoopers. Spectral scoopers. so i can't forget it. At your service, 24-7 service. what One of the things, and this this could be a ah dull knives thing as well, but it has to do with one of the deaths. So the kid that falls into the little like river.
01:09:07
Speaker
don't you just get out? Yes. well That's another question. e Everyone who fell in that river hung out there. Like if if you fell into still water that had been sitting there for 20 years inside of an old abandoned building, i i mean, I would be like flying out of that thing like as quickly as I possibly could. But yes. So his kill was done by like several of these mini marionettes, right?
01:09:34
Speaker
He got chopped up. What? They were like piranhas in there, I guess. Why were they there? They never showed up ever again. Like, like what is the, why are there baby marionettes?
01:09:48
Speaker
Well, cause it's cool, man. It's just cool to have that in the movie. It's cool. It it was really cool. But why is what I wasn't really clear on. But anyway, that would have been my cannon. Cause can, cause can put red dye in water and make death look cool.
01:10:05
Speaker
I think that's why. ah I like it. My can of water was very similar. It happened either right before after that. It was the camera guy who was from- Teo Briones.
01:10:17
Speaker
Yeah. I actually really liked this one. He gets like, like, slooped up into the, by something up there. He gets scooped up, I should say. It's foxy. And it's poetic justice. No, it's Mangle.
01:10:29
Speaker
Yeah, exactly, because he's all mingled, right? It's ah it's a mingled foxy. like He's an amalgamation of the animatronic with his body parts all scattered and mismatched.
01:10:40
Speaker
Yeah, and then his like his body parts slowly drop into the frame. are Were they like organs that were dropping? or like what was I think they were limbs, like an arm fell. Pianos, actually.
01:10:51
Speaker
Yeah, I didn't understand what dropped. It was just like meat. Yeah. Well, in in a sense, I'm sure. i mean, meat, we are all made of meat, you know? Rick likes to bring up cannibalism on this podcast from time to time and eating people. Damn, dude, that was deep. All right. I'm just saying, like, nobody's nobody here is ever interested in trying human flesh. No.
01:11:14
Speaker
What the? No. yeah Well, getting us back, of course, are there any non-spectral scoopers who who qualify here? i think it was really all their desks. Yeah, Edie, what was yours?
01:11:27
Speaker
um I don't know if he was like, if he counts as like a good person death, but the science teacher death was like pretty intense. Where they call it 10. Well, this is probably a good segue. This is probably some of our favorite
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01:11:40
Speaker
deaths. That was my best. That was my favorite death. All right. yeah talk Talk about it. That's best death as well. what it tell Set up the scene for us, Edie.
01:11:49
Speaker
Um, Toy Chica was following the science teacher because he insulted her and he thought that it was just a child in that suit. And he was like claiming that Abby cheated and that she was a fraud.
01:12:06
Speaker
And so Toy Chica followed this man to another classroom and she picked him up and...
01:12:17
Speaker
I guess another thing that was like a dull knives is that he was like crawling on the floor instead of getting up and like running out of the classroom. Like he kept like crawling and on the floor instead of just like getting up and and running away.
01:12:30
Speaker
Well, anyways, you can save that for don't go in there or dull knives. You can pick which one. But and then they just like crushed his head or something. She wanted to see what was inside and she found that it was. Oh, yeah. She was like, i want to see what's inside your brain.
01:12:45
Speaker
some very heavy-handed dialogue for I want to see what's going on inside your head. They used that line he did it three times. They used it twice then and then once later in the movie as well. Wait, really? like oh Yeah, they used it for another kill.
01:12:59
Speaker
Scott wrote that one was like, man, this is great. I've got to milk this, man. I think it's when they kill one of the animatronics that's near the very end. They say something like, I need see what's going on inside your head as well. was like, wow.
01:13:10
Speaker
Wow. That's what I had for best line. I'm spoiling it, stepping on it now because there were no lines I actually liked. So I just went with most most used line. The highest frequency line. Really just stuck with them. Yes. I like seeing Wayne Knight get killed.
01:13:26
Speaker
Poor Wayne Knight. Always the season's fault. I think that's across the board a unanimous best death there. Yep. Let's move on to our Shyamalan twist. So if you guys know who M. Night Shyamalan is, famous for his twist, this film takes a stab at one near the end.
01:13:42
Speaker
And i think that is our likely candidate, unless you guys have anything other than the familial relationship. Mine was that it made $7 million dollars during Thursday Night Previews. That's a twist for me.
01:13:56
Speaker
People like these movies. People go see it. We need to just get, we need to get with it, Rick. We get with the time. Yeah, it's, hi, we're the problem. Hi, it's me. We're the problem. So so I think we're all in agreement then hearing nothing else. that It's what, is it that vanessa that Vanessa was the kid? Is that the?
01:14:17
Speaker
Well, no, that Vanessa has a brother who you meet in this film. Oh, the sequel, right? Named Michael. like Michael, who's the security guard.
01:14:28
Speaker
Who is also yeah either cop or security guard who's the creepy guy who let the spectral scoopers into the restaurant earlier in the film. He shows back up the end, reveals he's Vanessa's brother who she's never mentioned. And that for reasons not quite clear, he just wants to carry on his dad's legacy of murdering kids. And and I like that because she didn't tell Josh Hutcherson that she had a brother. That's why they break up.
01:14:55
Speaker
Yes. You didn't tell me you had brother. No, they broke up because she didn't tell him that
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01:15:01
Speaker
he... ah She didn't tell him that she saw that girl get killed. But then they get in a second fight because she also didn't tell him that she has a brother. Add insult to injury. he didn't tell me you had a sibling. um But yeah, does this film have a villain problem? Like, we have...
01:15:18
Speaker
The primary villains, I thought, in this franchise were the animatronics. But then we're introduced to the big bad, the overarching villain in will William Afton, who makes appearance again in this movie. Yeah.
01:15:31
Speaker
And then this film also says, oh we're going to bring in a new character, Charlotte, who's going to be possessing the marionette. And then. It just like kind disappears near the end of the film. Then we get the most intimidating thing possible.
01:15:43
Speaker
A security guard. Yeah. Whoa. William william Afton's son. So it was like. I don't know. And then the way it ends to like directly setting it up for the third film where he insinuates like my dad's going to be coming back and then it just ends. was like, okay, cool.
01:16:02
Speaker
Rick, are we going to cover five nights at Freddy's three on the pod? We have to now. yes Okay. Okay. And our next franchise series. So we do don't go in there. Yeah, don't go in there.
01:16:13
Speaker
So poor character decisions. These are commonplace in horror films. And again, these are different than Dull Knives. Dull Knives are like, what's wrong? with like This doesn't make sense. This is more specifically a character does something really dumb that puts themselves in danger.
01:16:26
Speaker
When the scooper guys all split up. That was mine. That's exactly mine. like In an abandoned thing, they'd all like leave themselves. I would be like attached to my dad.
01:16:41
Speaker
if I was going in. That is like a top 10. wouldn't go in. That's a top 10 rule. Yeah, wouldn't even go in. and Yeah, you would not go in there. and That's why you're not getting the don't go in there award. No, that's that is that is a great one, Edie, because that is like a tried and true top 10 rule in horror films as a character. if you want to survive, don't split up.
01:17:00
Speaker
That's like the number one rule, I think. Right. That is the first commandment. No, the first one is like, just don't go in there. The second one is if you go in there, don't split up. Okay, I'm with you. I'm with you.
01:17:11
Speaker
yeah Travel was yours. that was That was exactly mine. Kent, did you have one? Yeah, I mean, I thought back to those guys. um Mine was don't let so don't let Scott Cawthon write a script by himself.
01:17:29
Speaker
Or maybe the writer's room do go in there. yeah Go into the writer's room with other people. Someone needs to go in there. Someone needs to go into that room. We got to get that pen out of his hand. God. yes Scott. You made some cool characters. Go to sleep now. Let us take over now. Thank you. if The money's just going to be in your bank account. You just, you know, put your name on it.
01:17:55
Speaker
Yeah, that's the go in there award. Please. ah All right. Best lines. a already shared mine in the oft-repeated line of I want to see what's going on inside his head.
01:18:06
Speaker
Right. And then anyone, this was from Bonnie by way of Charlotte's possession, I think. Parents are all the same, and I have to punish them for that. That's good. Because they're all the same, they have to be punished. They must be punished. Very anti-parent sentiment. Sorry to Kent and Travis for that one.
01:18:33
Speaker
um Edie, yours was... ah It's Mr. Berg is his name, by the way. So now that you know his name. It's like, you're a dick, Mr. Berg, or something like that. Don't don't don't be a dick, Mr. Berg. Yeah.
01:18:48
Speaker
And then it just cuts to another scene. It is kind of like out of left field like that. in the movie Yeah, I laugh. Yeah. um I don't know why this one got me, but it was ah the little girl to telling Josh Hutcherson like what happened at the first time that she went to this uh freddy faz is freddy fazbear's the first one that he didn't know about and she's like trying to tell him and she goes she's talking about working on the computer she's like well freddy tried to help but his fingers are too fat and i'm just like so strange strange line i don't know why
01:19:27
Speaker
you You might have inadvertently just answered one of my dual knives there, Rick, which we'll we'll get into here momentarily. if that makes Oh, I think I i think i know where you're going with that. Yeah. i I think that's why they put that line in there, actually. all right Well, let's let's move to them if we can. And it was, um if you'll allow me to start. Yeah, go ahead. Going with that train of thought. So as I understand, the marionette was imprisoned in the stew restaurant, the pizzeria, because of the proximity code does not allow her, the animatronics, to leave.
01:19:58
Speaker
um Okay, so i'm I'm with the plot thus far. Of course. And then they get Vanessa there because Vanessa knows the proximity code. So I am terribly confused on why they also had to then bring Abby there to enter in the code. Was it purely because she had such small fingers? Small They can't do it. vanessa Aren't Vanessa's fingers small enough to like well she was type it herself? it was tied up like by the marionette. like she was Right. like
01:20:28
Speaker
She couldn't do it. I don't know what- But I mean, the marionette wanted the code put in. She should have, know, had to have Vanessa put in the code. I also think it's pretty awesome that Vanessa memorized the Apple keychain password that was given to the yeah to the security system. She just knew it off the top of the internet. Very cool to do that. Very cool. It's wild though. and i Going with this train of thought even further, this is what the marionette needs to bring out. But the dude who's enabling the marionette, which is her brother, Michael, who apparently frequents the pizzeria. He brings people there earlier.
01:20:59
Speaker
He's also William Afton's son. Like, wouldn't he also know the code or have it readily available? Or did the dad just entrust his daughter with a lot more private information than his son?
01:21:11
Speaker
Well, and speaking of Michael, I have a really overarching issue with the whole series, including the video game, right? Like, So these these pizzerias or these you know entertainment complexes, there's two of them that we know of, right? And there's maybe other part of the franchise. We learned in the second movie that there's a that there's more than one. So in both cases, um this is more of a ah finance question, an economics question. um this thing They've both been abandoned for like a decade or two.
01:21:50
Speaker
What is it's a rotting building. Why are they paying somebody every night? Yes. to go and guard the pizza place. Who's paying them? Who's paying it down You got property taxes you're paying on. You have other stuff going on. Probably some kind of liability insurance, umbrella coverage you got to somebody gets hurt in the parking lot. like Why don't you just mow it down and just leave make it a lot? And sell on the real estate. Yes, 100%. I had that as well. I cannot believe that after 20 plus years,
01:22:24
Speaker
is what they're just sitting there and guarding it and it's even crazier like the place for 20 plus years old you know it still has like the prize counter is still fully stocked they go into it 20 years later the battery yeah the mechanicals are great the the water and the lazy river hasn't evaporated it's just still fully stocked there as well i'm just like great They're putting a lot of money into keeping these places up. Who they though? Who owns the real estate? Who owns the building? The county taking it over the bank maybe because maybe the payments haven't been made and somebody's handling it from that side. That's a good twist because at the end of the day, it's us, the taxpayers. We own just wasteful spending. We all own the Freddy Fazbear's. This just an alt-right director throwing it in our face that big government is bad. Look at what we're wasting our tax dollars on.
01:23:22
Speaker
Man, was under our nose the whole time. That was good one. that Well, one of my, one of my dual knives is, is, is also tied to that first Freddy Fosbear's because here's my question. You have a cast, uh, or ah a collection of characters whose lives have been seismically changed by the events of the first film. Right. And you have a town that is obsessed, obsessed with this place. Freddy Fosbear's.
01:23:47
Speaker
How did none of them know, about this other Freddy Fosbear's that is clearly driving distance away. you can ride a bike to it. It's biking distance away, yeah. be Biking distance. eleven year old An 11-year-old rides her bike to it, so it can't be that far away. Right. Josh is like, whoa, where'd this thing come from? Those many locations. Too many locations in the same area. That's probably what killed it. but The market didn't support it. Yes, that's a great point.
01:24:16
Speaker
Right, that's why they... they they it was a cannibalization Going back to cannibalization. ah well they and it's like it's a very It's a small suburban area. There's not a big metroplex. like How is he not... 3,000 people in that MSA? like What do you think? like yeah Whoa, where'd this first one come from? so That was one of mine. That is a great one is all.
01:24:38
Speaker
One other. So Lisa, this is the girl from Spectral Scoopers. Again, I keep going back to them. She's so a lot of problems. we believe She's presumably possessed by the marionette. So we're introduced to the character out of nowhere. She's the one possessed. That's what I say. it Switches from like the puppet view to now it's kind of live action. She just is the marionette.
01:25:00
Speaker
Okay. I get it. The marionette took over her. But then when the marionette latches on to Abby later in the film, what happened to Lisa? Like, where did she go? And I i specifically asked that because then it leaves Abby and you still see Abby's body just laying there afterwards.
01:25:19
Speaker
It's like, I just feel bad for the Lisa character that she was disposed of or the marionette moved on to the next person we never see from her. Everything was fine though afterwards. So whatever happened, it was all...
01:25:31
Speaker
Well, like, problem yeah this goes to the question I was asking earlier. Like, how does the host switching work? Like, why does it need different bodies? Like, why can't it just stay? yeah Like, why didn't you, why isn't Charlotte still the body?
01:25:43
Speaker
Does it does is use up with the resources? And then it's like, we got to jump to the next one. Where is Charlotte's body? I don't know. Decompose, probably. Yeah, so the Marinette's been through at least three bodies. And then it also goes to put in, like,
01:25:57
Speaker
Where does the marionette go? Does she walk back to the pizzeria afterwards? Like when they put the music box on? or she's just like disappeared. She's out of the film. That was what I thought was the villain. Well, she possesses Vanessa at the very end though. So she's there. Yeah, she's inside of Vanessa right now.
01:26:16
Speaker
That's right. Is that at the very end? It's the last shot of the movie. Okay. Well, this is another one where I take it back. It's ah it's a sharpened knife.
01:26:28
Speaker
We still don't know what happened to poor Lisa. But at least the Marianette's presence is still there. Here's another one. Why didn't Skeet Ulrich's character drop off that music box like years ago? like Why did he wait 20 years? He's like oh, by the way, if you're heading down over there, if you're going that way, man, can you drop off that music box?
01:26:49
Speaker
This is my daughter's favorite possession, and I just remembered I should probably probably get it to her resting place. that's thing He doesn't even know it has any magical powers. He's just like, hey, if you're if you're driving that way, man, can you drop this off at my daughter's resting place? like Why didn't that? It's probably because...
01:27:04
Speaker
Rick, he's a deadbeat dad. He wasn't there at the birthday party in the beginning. he' Back to your earlier point, no one knows where this location is. He's like, hey, if you're in the area and you know where this pizzeria is, can you please bring this to her? Right. it's not It's not in the local listings. He's like, there's a second one. What? What the hell?
01:27:26
Speaker
There's 10 nights at Freddy's. thought it was just five. What the heck's going on? It would be like seven nights at Freddy's because there's always like a sixth and seventh night.
01:27:37
Speaker
Oh, that's what I saw in the video game. And so i'm very confused by the name. Love the alliteration. This guy just must love alliteration. Yeah. Freddy Fosbear's five nights at Freddy's. This is the spectral scoopers. you The spectral scoopers. Ken, if we ever start a cover band out here in Dallas, we should call ourselves the Spectral Scoopers.
01:27:59
Speaker
Edie, you started to mention some. I cut you off, but I want you to go into it now. You you mentioned some dull knife with ah with the Mr. Berg. He was doing something. He was just crawling on the floor instead of getting up and leaving.
01:28:12
Speaker
Right. and then And then there was another one where Josh Hutcherson was like driving from... like 12 p.m. noon time yeah oh yeah the science fair to the pizzeria where it was like looks like it was midnight but literally the next scene yeah yes like well there's i don't know there's just like a big six hour jump well ken ken and i talked about that we we feel it's a production issue we just feel like the the first ad was probably like
01:28:46
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Well, it got a little late, so we'll just, the the light doesn't look right. We'll just make this a night scene. We'll just do this, guys. Yeah, a 10-hour day. We gotta get this in, guys. Right. i Speaking at a time, i've mentioned this to Edie and Ken after we watched the movie, too. That is the longest science fair I have ever seen in my life.
01:29:03
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It started at the beginning of school. Way into the night. Like, 10 a.m., and then it's, like, still 10 p.m., they're still a handing out prizes. Like, did they provide lunch? They also seemed like extraordinarily smart for like middle school students. like They were building like robots. Well, they they like um they won first place the nation three years in a row. I know. It makes sense why Wayne Knight is so defensive about defending his title. you know I kind of don't mind that part of him. I like the competitiveness in Exceptionalism in America. Right.
01:29:36
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Thanks, Scott Conner. I have one other. I'm going yet again back to Charlotte and the marionette, even though I think I'm losing you guys on this, but the most fascinating character I still think of this film for me.
01:29:49
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What was her plan? Like, was it to kill the parents from the day she died? Because they're all yeah because those families she goes and visits, like that woman has like a 10 year old daughter and she looks like she can't be any older than like, what, 40 now?
01:30:07
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now So that would have put her out. Like, did she also have another kid 20 years ago when she was 20 years old? Who was at the restaurant? Like, who were these families she was killing? Was she just killing any and they all parents? Don't you remember my quote?
01:30:25
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She went to the first just home with parents and just started killing parents? yeah Parents are all the same, and I have to punish them for that. Yeah, they're all the same. It doesn't matter if it's 1982 or 2002. If you're a parent, you. There's a parent.
01:30:39
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Okay, I didn't realize it was that literal. i appreciate ever It really is. she She literally just went to the first house she could find him and it was like, all right. That's the first house she could find him.
01:30:52
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But wasn't the first house animatronic went to was just an elderly couple? Like there were no there. Yeah, I think they were confused. and her parents Was she certain they were parents or just old people? She saw some photos on the wall. She's like, I'm going to assume that's that's their kids.
01:31:07
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That mom yeah was giving off some like motherly hair children vibes. Yeah. I'm child free. I'm child free. ah Voluntarily. i'm ah I'm done with mine. I have one that i I don't know if it's a dull knife or what it is, but we just need to unpack it.
01:31:25
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um The whole scene at the end where good animatronics come to save the day One of the kids leaves that leaves the animatronic body somehow and becomes a human.
01:31:43
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He's going to heaven. um Did he go to heaven? um One. Two. Why didn't the others... Was it a casting budget issue? like what i don't understand what role that played.
01:32:01
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Yeah, why was it just one... It's one kid when there's... She keeps talking about her multiple friends. We only see one. he kind of literally disappears and we don't know if he goes to heaven or purgatory or hell or anything. And he just says, what's up? Like, I'm here for you. But he's not because he leaves.
01:32:21
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I don't get it. What was the purpose of that?
01:32:26
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Smee, subject matter expert, Edie, Gen ZD. How do you explain
01:32:33
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I mean, there's really like... i don't know. I just wanted some closure. But Kent, your point begs the question because they brought it up in the end of the first film. You discover they never found the kids' bodies because they were entombed and entrapped in those animatronics.
01:32:52
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Those animatronics don't look like they've been busted open yet. Like, are the dead kids still in all those animatronics? Yeah, they're just rotting outside of their house now. Like, how are they going to clean this up? How are they getting the animatronics back? These aren't ancient tombs. I mean, you can, like, see into their mouths and stuff. Like, i like you see... Wouldn't the first thing after the end of the first film that Josh Hutcherson and ah and the female lead Elizabeth Hale, isn't the first thing they would do is like go find the parents of the kids and be like, hey, i know it's been 20 years. I finally found your son who passed away. I have some news for you. Here's the remains. Exactly. like Finally give them closure. not really I wouldn't want my dead kids' remains. Edie, I think you just to either cremate it put in the ground or something. That would be nasty. Like I'm like eating dinner.
01:33:41
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no Like i'm eating dinner and I just get like... That's not what's happening. What are you talking about, Edie? What's this take? I want to hear this take. You're too busy to take your child's remains and put them to rest because you're eating dinner? I'll remember that when you die, Edie.
Exploration of Film Elements and Cultural References
01:33:56
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No, I'm saying like...
01:33:59
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No, I'm thinking like I'm going to be like eating dinner like breakfast or something and I don't want to like see a dead child like getting robbed of some strangers. That's not what this is. That's just gross. When you're like 40 or 50 years old and me and your dad are old and then if your dad passes away before me and I call you, going to remember this and be like, hey, I hope you're not eating dinner right now because I have something to tell you. don't want his chopped up...
01:34:28
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I don't want his molded, like, chopped up body parts. that's not That's not what we're saying. Just that it would have been nice for them to say, hey, FYI. call the coroner because down at the pizza place... There's people you pay to do this. You do not handle them. If you're a family where your kid has been missing for 20 years, you would at least like the, hey, by the way, we we found them.
01:34:51
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Not just like, all right, let's leave that fucking dead kid in the bear. That would just bring me back like trauma to my kid dying. I wouldn't even want to think about it. like That would just bring back... She's going to move on. Yeah, I've moved on. I've had a new family. You got a labubu to take care of. the Yeah, I have other things to worry about. have a job.
01:35:13
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we have We know where you stand now. All right, another hot take. um Any other Duel Knifes? The entire movie. There's a lot of them, but... All right, well, let's move...
01:35:26
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Let's move to our segment here. Oh, wait, another one. How are they going to clean up the animatronics just sitting outside of their house? What are they going to do with those? Because they're just left there. Well,
01:35:40
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well you're not cleaning them up because there's remains inside of them. So it wouldn't it wouldn't be you. We'll find out in FNAF 3. Are they just sitting there like overnight?
01:35:51
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No, I'm sure the city comes by or the they could have called the cops, I guess. They just had a home invasion. The restoration people come and. Yeah, so whatever.
01:36:03
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yeah it's it's stuff that happens in a lot of movies. We can't we can't get too bogged down in that. Common dull knife.
01:36:12
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um Winners and losers. Winners and losers. um A winner I had stem The STEM system.
01:36:23
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You know, i saw ah saw a lot of kids getting involved in science over there, science fairs in general. um i think it's ah an up-and-coming, data-proven academic model that I'm glad is being um pushed by this film. And um I want to see more of it. Edie, you're still in school, right?
01:36:45
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Yes. Is it fair to say that this representation of a school where so many kids are literally clambering to get into the science fair that they have to deny some? Is is that a a rough approximation of our education system right now in your school?
01:37:04
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No. No? Yeah. Isn't Gen Z like knows how to use the internet, but they can't like know how to fix a computer or know what goes inside of it because... you know how to fix a computer, Rick? Well...
01:37:18
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knew were going to ask that. i That's pretty technical, man. I'm just... There's a... Okay, I don't know how fix a computer, but there's a hardware versus software issue generational gap here, is what I'm saying.
01:37:32
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oh yeah Okay, okay. It's a good winner. It's good winner. Oh, ah I know another winner. um Thick with two C's Chica. Hell yeah. Boy Chica. chi Toy Chica, my girl. Yeah, she really upgraded since the last movie. No, Toy Chica was made before the Chica in the first FNAF.
01:37:58
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What does that mean? What is the difference between Toy Chica and Chica? Toy Chica is the... like
01:38:06
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Chica you saw in FNAF 2. The regular Chica is the Chica you saw in the FNAF. Right. I understand that. What is the difference between them? Like, why is there one called a toy? She looks like a toy. like She a toy. She was thicker.
01:38:21
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She was thicker. That's like a... Thicker like a sneaker. The FNAF community. i like i'll I'll just say i i did i did not um and did not recognize her game in the first one. And and now her game has been recognized.
01:38:37
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Is there a lot of crossover between the FNAF community and the ah furries community? I knew this was coming. Where did that Venn diagram go? I didn't.
01:38:49
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People like to cosplay as like FNAF characters. I did see some. Go ahead, Edie. In like costumes. People like to cosplay. I saw some ears at our showing. Some people with ears. I got some furry vibes from them.
01:39:09
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I gave him my number in the parking lot. Told him to call me. Are you a furry, Ricky? No, I don't have that game. He's just a cannibal. just ga simple man it's a Simple man. Simple desires. ah One winner I have. Are you guys familiar with the spell and speak? Do you remember this? You're probably too young. But that's what ah Abby uses to communicate essentially with Freddy and the gang.
01:39:35
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And then are you guys also familiar going one step further with Dane Cook stand up bit about the spell and speak? wait so Sorry. Is the spells? Is that the same thing that's in Toy Story? They got the microphone.
01:39:46
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Yeah, it's like one of those old toys where you click and it talks like a devil. and That was Dane Cook's bit. It's like you spell and speak like the devil. It's like, how are you, Abby? um So that was a winner because you know these things are completely outdated and you still see the throwbacks to them here in movies like this and Toy Story.
01:40:06
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Yeah, that's a good one. um We already talked about It's an obvious one, but Chuck E. Cheese is the winner because I don't think about Chuck E. Cheese hardly all anymore. And then these movies came out I'm like, oh, yeah, Chuck E. Cheese is a thing. i actually did a commercial. Never taking my kids to one.
01:40:21
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You're missing out. The pizzas are great. need Have you been to Chuck E. Cheese? No, you've been to Chuck E. Cheese. I've never been to Chuck E. Cheese. Why the hell was I there? I literally, I can't think of a single time out of my entire childhood that I've been to Chuck Cheese. I'm sorry wasn't memorable for you, but you were there. We've never been. I've never been to Chuck E. Call your mom and ask her. She's going to say no. going to be like, I don't even know what that is. Kent, maybe this is a weekend bender. Chuck E. Cheese. Hey! What's up, guys? It's a late night pizza. Who are you here with? Which group are you here with? Over there, there's the kids over there. I don't know. I worked on a commercial. It was with Taylor Barber, Kent, because she produces some of those, and I was helping out.
01:41:12
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They're based here in Dallas, and they they do podcasts. A lot of commercials here in Dallas. And I i worked with the puppets. And i i like took a picture with one. And it wasn't it wasn't um animatronics. It was like people controlling them, you know, with their hands and stuff. But Chucky was very nice. um There was some surreal moments, though, because we shot some scenes where was they were actually in the full suit of Chucky Cheese. And i just remember several times going outside and the Chucky Cheese taking his helmet off had to be like smoking a cigarette and talking him on the phone like, what the fuck man, like why can't I get a bus ride over there? like Why can't you just sit the car? I don't want to take the bus. like My apartment's way too far. I was just like, my my illusions of ah of Chuck E. Cheese have been ruined forever. because Not as magical. No. at Every person that played Chuck E. Cheese had a similar aggression to them. They all were smokers. They all like couldn't have a ride anywhere and they were all just kind of angry. and i was like
01:42:14
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yeah what Why is that? that there's There's no one who's successful in life that is so being a Chuck E. Cheese character. You wouldn't find that at Disneyland, and let me just tell you.
01:42:25
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that mouse That mouse is different. fun Fun fact, the voice of Chuck E. Cheese is Jarrett Reddick from Bowling for Soup. The singer? Yeah. that The Bowling for Soup guy who got in a lot of trouble or one of the other ones?
01:42:43
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I don't know if anyone in any trouble. um I thought one of them was a pedophile. Oh my God. No, no, no. That's Lost Profits. Lost Profits. Oh.
01:42:54
Speaker
Sorry, Jared. That's not something you want to be saying. Sorry, Jared Reddick. I'd have to cut that out. Oh, it's just... So wait, 2022, there was a kidnapping, but it ultimately reeled that the guy who was arrested for kidnapping was impersonating Bowling for Soup's drummer.
01:43:15
Speaker
Oh! but he was not the actual drummer. What the hell? And he had also claimed to be a drummer for the band rise against, but he was never a drummer in either band. Might have to, might have to cut this. Sorry, Jared. Dude, I love bowling for soup and I hadn't listened to them in years. Cause I, I confused them for, for crimes that I've committed.
01:43:36
Speaker
Jared's all good. the white Put it on your playlist. Um, God, that was dark. So he was doing a voice. I'm glad you learned something about Bowling Pursuit tonight, Travis.
01:43:50
Speaker
I'm glad we cleaned it up. Jarrett's a great guy. I feel bad. How do you know? So we actually, the bands I worked with ah know yeah back in the day, we we toured with them at one point. They're from Denton.
01:44:04
Speaker
Jarrett lives in Prosper, and then Gary lives in Frisco, like right around the corner, of the drummer. The drummer who did not kidnap a child. He was impersonating Gary. was not Gary. Chris, the guitarist, was roommates with the band that I worked with in Denton, and he lived in their living room as a bedroom, and he had a curtain when he walked into the house to separate his area. I had one of those in LA.
01:44:27
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This is after they had had the Grammy
Performance Critiques and Final Thoughts
01:44:31
Speaker
nomination and Girl, All the Bad Guys Want. This is how Chris is living. And so we were around those guys a lot. In fact...
01:44:38
Speaker
I had them up to Stillwater twice and I was like the show promoter for them. And, um, they're like the best dudes, but, um, but i haven't seen them in years, man. So it just goes to show that a Grammy nomination still can't pay the rent.
01:44:52
Speaker
I, Travis Telerik take back all the negative things I said about bowling pursuit. This has been a really healing. He's also, uh, the He also did some of the voices in like Phineas and Ferb. that Jared's actually done really well for himself because he's done a lot of that voiceover work and other stuff. But anyway, he did Chuck E. Cheese.
01:45:16
Speaker
That's good to know. Sorry for the tangent. That was completely based on i was i was getting any information i was liking the I was thinking to myself, like, how do we get a bully for soup? Okay, the lead singer is the voice of Chuck E. Cheese. Good to know.
01:45:28
Speaker
What a wacky mix-up. Wacky mix-up. Well, a loser, if we're going to losers, is is that guy. ah Bowling for soup, honestly, for for losing some fans, and Travis at least.
01:45:43
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for that false impersonator. Well, they got one back. yeah Right, they got one back. no Net neutral. my One of my losers is, in and I think Kent already kind of alluded to this, but it was Josh Hudson's wardrobe, specifically at the date, but also throughout the whole movie. Just schlubby.
01:46:00
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Looked real schlubby. like i don't The tie decision was very odd. who Have you guys ever worn a tie to a date? I thought that was like a thing. Like if you're going to a steakhouse...
01:46:12
Speaker
Didn't he wear it untucked, the shirt? Oh, did he do it? Oh, yeah, he did wear it untucked. This is 2002. Is that before the the brand Untuck It or whatever? don't know. the OG Untuck It. Speak about confusing financial situations. Because first film, he didn't really even have enough money to support his sister.
01:46:32
Speaker
But now he owns a home, but he's redoing it himself. And he's taking his girlfriend out to the nicest restaurant in the town. It's like kind of like the guy who just stumbled into new money or something. He doesn't know to spend it. He doesn't know how to dress.
01:46:49
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You've always been raised with a lot of people to be able to emulate. I feel like a big loser is Abby's acting that we touched on. a child, you can speak on this, Edie. We we have to be a little careful. but If you want to talk about Abby's acting, go right ahead.
01:47:11
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It just wasn't good. She needs to stay in school.
01:47:16
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I like how we we keep going for like another 20 minutes without bringing it up, and then we just throw her right back under the bus to be like, yeah, this little kid was fucking dog shit. It's really bad.
01:47:28
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Almost ruined a really bad movie that was already really bad. Respectfully. Respectfully. Respectfully. her No disrespect. correct um was it at Was it chopped? Can I say it was chopped? You know what?
01:47:42
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When she is possessed by the marionette, she does look pretty creepy. ah Especially with that haircut. When she's like racing around with the bull cut on top of her head. Those are the bangs from hell.
01:47:53
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I don't like how they just like paint the like face marionette face on. It looks weird. like that just like yeah magically appears on their face.
01:48:04
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yeah come'm with you I like the OG marionette better than the live action ones is is that kind of a ah is it kind of an ICP look when they paint their face like insane clown posse juggalos juggalos they turn into juggalos yeah I love juggalos shout out to juggalos and what are some other losers for you guys I don't think you put out a loser yet Yeah, I mean, my biggest one was just the name, The Spectral Scoopers, but can't pick that up right at the top of the episode. So I'm good. Yeah, I think we've done a good job of covering the losers throughout this podcast. Yeah, yeah.
01:48:40
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All right. So more trav this is kind of crazy, but should we try to do the the one, two, three, say it at the same time with four people? Is that too much for the screen? yeah queener So we do.
01:48:54
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So Scream King, Scream Queen. This can be a cast member, a character they play, part of the crew, the director, writer, even even a concept who you thought or what you thought won the movie. So the way Rick and I have been doing this recently is we've never dealt with four people before, but he'll count us down from three to one. And then we can all say who that would be for us or what that would be.
01:49:20
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And with this film should be very interesting. So Rick, you can have the honors there. All right. Ready guys? and Three, two, one. Toy Chica. We all said Toy Chica. Except for me. We, You guys get Toy Chica. I like Scott Toppin. He was a baby, but you know what? he's like i'm not goingnna i'm losers of this bill I'm not going to try to defend him. Toy Chica, congrats. Toy Chica, she thick.
01:49:54
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She thick. yeah And she's voiced by Megan Fox. right she's voiced by me With the thumbs that Edie does not like, we've realized. But that's why she's in the Toy Chica body. can No one can see her thumbs. would just be too Thumbs down on that. Let's just get her in the Thank you all for listening to the Sunday scaries. We would like to take another moment to apologize to bowling for soup. yeah um Anyways, thank you guys for joining us. Kent. Thank you, Edie. We will be back next week with black Christmas. Our last film we're covering this year before our spookies.
01:50:33
Speaker
And then we're taking a break again for the holidays. The night is that a Tyler Perry movie or what is that? That you guys are doing. Black no that is that is the original slasher. This is the 1974 sla Black Christmas, yes. It's been remade a couple times.
01:50:54
Speaker
Yep. You guys should watch Die Hard for your horror movie. Well, but that's an action film. Is Die Hard a Christmas movie? Is Die Hard Christmas movie? Die Hard's eie's Edie's starting a new a new discussion topic of, not is Die Hard a Christmas movie? we We've decided it it is. Now she's saying this is it a horror movie or not. That's the new thing.
01:51:15
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I wouldn't say it is. That's a tough sell. Die Hard a horror movie? No. you well you will We will leave it with the latest of Edie's hot takes. Thank you guys for joining us.
01:51:25
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We'll see you next week. Bye. Bye.
01:51:46
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Do you guys want to get ice cream?