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Him (2025)
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Calling all Himbos, Himothée Chalamets, & Himzel Washingtons! Rick & Trav tackle HIM (2025), a rare combo of their two favorite pastimes: football and horror. The boys get into the best fake pro football teams, why the Green Bay Packers are cursed, and troubleshoot how to rid Trav's daughters of their continued nightmares of the scariest mascot of all: Gritty.
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Transcript
Soundtrack Disclaimer
00:00:06
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Through fake smiles and hugs, they want me for my buzz. It's kinda hard to tell from who am and who I was. I place no one above my fame, my fins and funds.
00:00:26
Speaker
Hey y'all, quick note ahead of today's pod. ah We forgot to touch on the music, and that's normally something we do each episode. So, um had an awesome score by Bobby Krillik and an amazing soundtrack.
00:00:38
Speaker
A lot of different artists. We had Gucci Mane contributing, Denzel Curry, even go a little old school with Mobb Deep. So, instead of discussing the music, we're just going to be dropping in little snippets of those songs, so you can kind of get a taste of the music of him because that was a high point of the movie for us so all right thanks guys enjoy the show
00:01:14
Speaker
All right, we're
Intro
00:01:15
Speaker
back. Rick, I am right next to your hometown here in Newport Beach, California. And you are not where you live either. You're up in Montana still right now. So we're both recording remotely. But how you doing, man?
00:01:28
Speaker
I just want to say, Trav, that ah I support everything about this administration. I love them. I have no bad things to say. and I think everybody should think the same way.
00:01:41
Speaker
Yeah, case the FCC is looking to podcast now, I don't think they can remove us from this pod, but it's a good stance to take care. Brendan Carr, if you're listening, you're doing a great job. We're huge fans, nothing negative to say ever.
00:01:57
Speaker
Goddamn insanity. Anyways, how's my old stomping grounds, man? How's Newport? How's noops? It's amazing. can't. A lot of people like to hate on California until you actually travel on vacation in California, where you realize this is, this is perfect. This is great weather for September.
00:02:15
Speaker
Swimming out in the ocean yesterday. I'm going watch them surfing out near the wedge or somebody you're not near the wedge later today. You scared me, dude. You sent me a text saying that you were going to quote, surf the wedge.
00:02:27
Speaker
yeah And if fit anybody doesn't know, the wedge is like one of the most dangerous shore breaks in North America. And I was like, Trav, I know a lot about you, but I don't remember you being like a world class surfer.
00:02:39
Speaker
So I almost was going to call the local lifeguards and make sure that that didn't happen. I will not be surfing, but we'll we'll be observing others surf, I think, today. surf the web, not the wedge.
00:02:53
Speaker
um We're out here. My sister's opening a Pilates studio or has opened a Pilates studio, Habit Pilates. If you guys live near Newport, want to come check it out. Cross promo. yeah um Well, cool, dude. I'm glad you're having a good time.
Horror Movie News
00:03:09
Speaker
um had some i know you have some movie news because you sent some my way that you're excited about a reboot, and I have some as well. Yeah, I only recently saw the original 80s release of Sleepaway Camp, one of the earlier slashers, and it's really good.
00:03:26
Speaker
It's... um I think it could be polarizing to some people because of the ending, but it really wowed me. And so I recently saw news that this might be remade. And i don't know all the details, so I'm not going to do the pod justice, but saw Kenan Thompson was involved. he He acquired the rights himself. Himself. That's amazing. He's taken all that SNL money and put it to good use. Yeah.
00:03:49
Speaker
I love it. Yeah. but yeah So it's something to watch, um keep on our radar. And what about you? I know you wanted to talk bigger picture here with Warner Brothers Discovery.
00:04:00
Speaker
um as As we know, WB slash HBO ah has gone through like a bazillion mergers, acquisitions over the last seven years, really tumultuous time. And it just sucks because right during the year that they are just killing it at the box office, things are going wonderfully.
00:04:17
Speaker
David Zaslav's having his time in the sun. ah All of a sudden, Larry Ellison's family and his son of Oracle fame, who just purchased ah who just merged their company, Skydance Paramount, which everybody was like, yay, you're the saviors. Good job. You saved Paramount.
00:04:38
Speaker
We like you. You're friends with Trump, which is a little scary because this you know then you can get preferential treatment. But hey, Paramount's going to be all right. Well, the script has flipped now because now they want to purchase Warner Brothers, ah which take away antitrust laws and all that. It's just, that's layoffs.
00:04:59
Speaker
That's less product out in the market. That's consolidation in a way that a lot of people would be kind of freaked out about. Warner Brothers shareholders, I'm sure we're very happy about this. um And then just two days ago, Netflix entered the chat as another potential bidder. So not much to report other than this would be game changing, regardless of which one goes after them.
00:05:23
Speaker
But yeah, ah yeah, it impacts us, Trav, because WB has, you know, proven themselves to be such a horror stalwart and a champion for horror, and any changes to that impacts our pod. So that's why thought talk about it.
00:05:37
Speaker
It'll be interesting to monitor, like you said, with other bidders. I think the beat was that Warner Brothers was potentially looking to spin off like streaming of like HBO Max and a portion of the business or or sell itself. And so some of this might have been inevitable. but Yes, I agree.
00:05:55
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right I know. You probably have to hear that vacuum now. Yeah, I really hear it now. But I guess you can't control that's just the house. Nothing I can do. There's a nice lady and ah next door to me, I believe, doing her job.
00:06:09
Speaker
So listeners, we have a very short timeline today. Trav and I have schedules, so we can't do anything about it. But um yeah, sorry, guys. Hotel life.
00:06:21
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So this kind of came out of nowhere. Scorsese has been circling a bunch of different projects lately from The Wager, which is a novel um by ah David Graham, who also did Killers the Flower Moon, um to a few other projects I can't mention that's off top of my head. But what has emerged as...
00:06:42
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what's likely the next film just because of the names attached and, um, Apple's involvement is a ghost story novel, Travis called what happens at night. Um, and we have Leo DiCaprio and Jennifer Lawrence attached. So Leo and Jennifer have worked together before on don't look up.
00:07:02
Speaker
And then obviously Scorsese and DiCaprio have worked together a billion times, but, uh, All three have never been involved in the same project. So it's a dreamlike story that follows a married American couple who travel to a small, snowy European town to adopt a baby.
00:07:19
Speaker
They check into a cavernous, largely deserted hotel where they encounter an enigmatic cast of characters, including a flamboyant Chanteuse. Drab, what's a Chanteuse? No idea.
00:07:30
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Okay, well they encounter one of those. A depraved businessman, a charismatic faith healer, and nothing is quiet as it seems in this strange frozen world as the couple struggles to claim their baby, the less they seem to know about themselves and the life they
'HIM' - Themes and Synopsis
00:07:44
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built together. So, um excited about this. Trav, I know that one of his films that many consider a horror, I think I'm with you on this, Shutter Island is on your top scary list.
00:07:54
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Yeah, that's in like my top 15, I think top 20 definitely scary films of all time. And I am adamantly in favor of saying this is a scary movie. I know some people, it it blurs the line between thriller and horror sometimes scarier than many of the horror films we cover.
00:08:11
Speaker
I agree. Probably including today's. So with that said, this is the Sunday Scaries. I'm Travis Telerik. I am him. I am him.
00:08:28
Speaker
I was just by the local boutique. Today we are covering Justin Tipping's umm directed, but as you've probably seen it, Jordan Peele produced film, HIM. where we merge football and horror for this new release. um I know we both recently saw this.
00:08:44
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Rick, what are your initial takes here? It's opening weekend. So synopsis here. a young athlete descends into a world of terror when he's invited to train with a legendary champion whose charisma curdles into something darker.
00:09:01
Speaker
This is an easy one for me, man. I mean, as you know, i wouldn't even consider myself a sports fan. I am a football fan. I don't know about anything else about any other sport except football, NFL, college, doesn't matter.
00:09:13
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And I love horror. So, oh my fucking God. Oh, no. They are not him. yeah They are not him.
Reception and Critique of 'HIM' (Spoiler-Free)
00:09:23
Speaker
I'm just going to push through just like just like Cade would, just like him would the goat. So ah when I when when we both saw, you know, signs were not good for this film when they were not promoting but the director's name and when they did not release the embargo and reviews until literally Thursday, the day of previews. That's never a good sign.
00:09:43
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That means it did not do well during early screenings. That means it they're thinking this is not going to land well with critics. um And that was the case. Thursday came and what did we see? 30% Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah. um Metacritic, it is at a 38, which is generally unfavorable.
00:10:03
Speaker
Yeah. So one of those cases where it probably helped me going into the film because i was expecting it to be absolute dog shit. And i I enjoyed a lot of this movie. i i Look, I'm not saying I don't disagree with a lot of criticisms.
00:10:17
Speaker
It's a lot of set dressing. It's a lot of flash. I think what probably pissed people off was that given it's a monkey prop production and Jordan Peele's name is attached, that you'rere you're really hoping for a subversive, um really incendiary critique, a social critique.
00:10:35
Speaker
And in this case, American football is ripe for critique, right? I mean, it's a gladiator sport. There's greed, there's racism, there's violence, there's that ah that perpetual journey to be the greatest, which you can apply to any sport, but no one's really done it justice, especially fusion with horror.
00:10:56
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That's not what we got. We got a film that is ah incredibly shot, impeccably acted. It's got unfleshed out themes. The themes are there.
00:11:08
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But it's very montage. It's very music video esque and how it's cut. But I think it's getting way over hate, way over hate. It's it's a fun, weird little movie.
00:11:19
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It doesn't answer or interrogate things in a huge, meaningful way. But it's football. It's horror. You know, go see it. If you are a Jordan Peele fan of his three horror films he has directed, this is not it.
00:11:32
Speaker
But it's it's still an entertaining watch. I think my biggest criticism other than the ones you level and I largely agree with is it didn't feel too much like a football movie. There's little flavors of football throughout.
00:11:47
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um This is more of like a cultish film with little snippets of football interjected throughout. I think to your point, I'm trying not to spoil anything too much yet, but you wonder like, oh is this going to take on like concussions or CTE. It was heavily teased in the trailer that this, our protagonist played by Tyreek Withers, like maybe his head trauma has something to do with it here. And maybe this is a reflection of the sport overall for how violent it is.
00:12:17
Speaker
I don't know if they quite landed the plane on tying that in. It's just, again, something they, like you said, propose or bring about, like this is part of football and then leave it at that without actually unwrapping it too much. You could apply that to the several questions this film poses, ah not just the CTE level, but you could also say that early on they're very overtly say that to be the greatest, you must sacrifice everything. And aside from a few moments,
00:12:48
Speaker
we more see him go down like Dante's nine levels of hell. We don't see him sacrifice everything. We don't see him sacrifice family and a normal life. it's It's more of a a dark vision quest, ah a Black Swan-esque kind of duality movie that doesn't go as deep as that film.
00:13:08
Speaker
But yeah, it's it's we we think we're going to see, you know, I heard the director, um he's done a lot of interviews and I've listened to a few of them. And he's got great ideas. ah I was going to on paper, but it maybe in his head, but they didn't make it to the paper.
00:13:23
Speaker
And we'll get to that in production notes a bit. But two of those themes, Trav, were one was that he wanted to you know he played it. He was ah ah an athlete until college. He played soccer throughout college. didn't know that.
00:13:34
Speaker
Two things that interest Justin were, um The idea of an athlete being a commodity and not a person, right? Being shuffled around, being looked at, being gawked at, being measured.
00:13:45
Speaker
And so that that would align with Cade's character. And the other would be the idea of time running out. And that's Marlon Wayne's character, meaning that ah most people that love their craft can do their craft until they're 100 years old.
00:14:00
Speaker
You and I craft, we can podcast until we're in our ripe old age, whether anybody's listening or not, okay? A painter can sit on
Favorite Football Movies
00:14:08
Speaker
his ass and paint until he's 80. That's not the case for athletes.
00:14:12
Speaker
It is a finite time. It runs out, and there's something both beautifully... you know tragic and poetic about that. And he wanted to explore that with Marlon Wayne's character, Time Running Out.
00:14:24
Speaker
Again, sounds great in a Q&A with the DGA, but in execution, it's just not on that level of intelligent, subversive, peel-level quality, which...
00:14:36
Speaker
I do wonder if attaching Peel's name, you could say it backfired or you could say it got butts in seats. I think it's going to do little like near 20 million or maybe 18 million this weekend. So that's what I'm saying on projections for opening weekend. So for a ah movie that I think's budget was like 25.
00:14:53
Speaker
And so I can't really fault them for that. But ah buyer beware, I suppose. And then your note about it not being as much of a football game. film. yeah I think you're right. Traditionally, when you look at football movies, it's not as much X's and O's or game play.
00:15:09
Speaker
But So I think you know this, Trav, but I co-directed a docuseries that never made it to air, but I had a great time doing it on a D1 college football team.
00:15:21
Speaker
And a lot of these players were high level. I mean, three of them are in the NFL now. One of them is doing very well, Tank Dell, and ah Matthew Golden, who's trying to make your Packers
Script Development and Creative Choices
00:15:31
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make an impact. He's not there yet.
00:15:33
Speaker
He hasn't made a huge impact just yet. have deep, deep roster, especially on the wide receiver set and a lot of young guys, but he'll he'll be there. Um, but there's the a locker room vibe that I think is very, uh, paramount to any football movie.
00:15:46
Speaker
But I got that times a thousand getting such intimate access to these players and the press and the pressure and the pain. And I think this film did capture that early on pretty well. It it set us up in a way that I could really identify with.
00:16:02
Speaker
came I saw so many Cameron Cades during that experience. Yeah, and that's fair. It's a lot of behind the scenes of football, yeah right? But not overtly showing football. You don't see any games played really other than the opening telecast. um You don't see a lot of players on the field. You see a few drills and then besides that, a lot of behind the scenes, what it takes.
00:16:22
Speaker
Exactly. I thought they did that part well. And I think huge testament to Cameron Cade's character, because ah Tyreek Withers acting, because I don't think you could have pulled off what he did in this film if you unless you hired an athlete. Does that make sense? like Yeah. His throwing motion was fucking on point. like He actually hit those goalposts, at least one of them I heard in ah an interview.
00:16:46
Speaker
Oh, really? Yeah. They had to comp one of them, but but one of them he actually hit. um He's got that like silent swagger, that leadership quality. ah I don't think you can you can really fake that unless you've you've been in those situations. And again again, I'm not an expert. I'm not an analyst of sports or football, but having spent four months behind the scenes, i I do think it captured that when you're on the precipice of maybe making that next jump to the league.
00:17:14
Speaker
You know, I went to commercials with Tank where he was pressured to stay later on shoots than he should have been and and getting deals thrown his way. And and ah this is a guy who came from not a lot. And so
Thermal Imaging Techniques in 'HIM'
00:17:27
Speaker
i don't know. I thought they did that part way, especially the first scene, which I guess we can talk about in the highlights later.
00:17:31
Speaker
Yeah. And I agree. Tyreek Withers plays a great athlete, very believable. But also I wanted to give a shout out to Marlon Wayans, who is absolutely ripped.
00:17:42
Speaker
I had no idea how jacked he was. He looks great. Do you know how old he really is right now, Rick? 53, right? Yes, he's 53. And he's playing a still in the league, but near the end of his career quarterbacks. I think he's trying to portray someone, you know, 40, late early 40s. think it was a...
00:18:00
Speaker
It was a Brady comp, I think. um did i love that ah he had eight rings instead of seven. Yes, I was going to bring that up as well. One more than Brady. One more than Brady. Yes.
00:18:11
Speaker
Um, yeah, I definitely think it's a Brady comp in his character, which is pretty funny, but he, he's fantastic. I think what he brings to the movie is probably my high point for the film and for people who want to see it or like him from, you know, scary movie or even requiem for a dream. Like he's done more serious acting before.
00:18:28
Speaker
It is
Critics vs. Audience: 'HIM' Reception
00:18:29
Speaker
the one, um it's, it's the one collectively agreed upon high point of the movie is Marlon Wayans. His, I haven't seen anybody say anything negative out of his performance and, um,
00:18:41
Speaker
Great call. Great casting. I mean, I would have never thought. I mean, he's not very big. He's not very tall. There is a scene where they're looking at each other and it's like height differential. That was the only time I was like, wait, this is the goat. yeah But hey, as a short king myself, I shouldn't be questioning. You had some good short quarters. Drew Brees is pretty short. Like Drew Brees was like 5'11". True. five eleven' true ah Doug Flutie.
00:19:04
Speaker
Was Flutie a short guy? Flutie was Yeah, that's on the shorter side. Quarterbacks are 6'3", not more often than not.
00:19:18
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We have brought up that 2025 is a very strong year for horror and everything is relative. So I think compared to other entries we have seen this year, that's probably why this one feels like a bit of a letdown.
00:19:31
Speaker
I think by itself or in another year, it would have been maybe more enjoyable, but um it's tough because we've come to expect and want so much from Jordan Peele.
Top Football Films Discussion
00:19:42
Speaker
And again, he was directing this, but just attached as a producer, we we want the best from Monkey Paw.
00:19:47
Speaker
And Because of that, i I think expectations initially were raised to a point that they were not going to be able to be met. It's not bad. i think we've even covered worse films on the pod.
00:19:59
Speaker
It just will be one of the less memorable entries for the year is where I end with this one. ah We were talking about Marlon Wayans. Did you see his tweet about the Rotten Tomatoes score? No.
00:20:10
Speaker
What did he say? and Sorry, and it wasn't a tweet. It was a thread, which I think we should be using more traffic. hu Basically, he screenshotted all of his...
00:20:21
Speaker
classics that all had low tomato scores, right? So, um and again, on record saying that I am not a big Rotten Tomatoes fan. I like Metacritic better because of the measuring system, but that's neither here nor there. it it's an It's an undeniable force the industry. It is how a lot of people gauge whether they want to see your film or not. So we got to talk about it regardless.
00:20:39
Speaker
So he screenshotted White Chicks, which had a 15%. Don't be menace. don't be a menace Yeah. Don't be a menace ah to South Central while drinking your juice in the hood with his brother. That was 96. That's a 32%.
00:20:52
Speaker
Scary Movie 2. What do you think Scary Movie 2 love Scary Movie 2. I'm hoping it's least above 30%. 13. Are the critic tomato meters the audience? thirteen are these the critic tomato meters or the audience This is the, I'm doing, I'm only doing critics for second time. That makes sense. 52% was the popcorn meter. Okay.
00:21:10
Speaker
My good hand. Here's my good hand. a Scary Movie 1, 51%. Haunted House, which I don't think he should include this. I wouldn't call that a classic. Yeah. That's 10%.
00:21:21
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um And then him at the time of posting 28% after 110 reviews. I really liked his tweet or his thread here. This is what he said. Just to be clear, dot, dot, I respect critics.
00:21:32
Speaker
Their job is to critique. I respect their work. It shapes our industry. But an opinion does not always mean it's everyone's opinion. Some movies are ahead of the curve. Innovation is not always embraced, and art is to be interpreted, and it's subjective.
00:21:45
Speaker
I've had a career making classic movies that weren't critically received, and those movies went on to be CLASSICS, all caps. So don't take anyone's opinion. Just go see it for yourself. Love to all. Him in theaters now.
00:21:56
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's a good take. what ah What a great way to take this like, because I think it i think the filmmaking team has to be deflated, dude. I mean, the way it was marketed, you got Monkey Paw, Jordan Peele's coming off of not getting Texas Chainsaw Massacre, not getting weapons.
00:22:12
Speaker
They need a win. Didn't happen, ah critically at least. But what a great way for that leader on set. He called out the elephant in the room. And like that's got to help a new director feel a bit better about this. Because Marlon Wayans is right.
00:22:26
Speaker
All those movies, except for Haunted House, are iconic. yeah They're iconic, right? we We quote them all the time. And I do think there's an audience for this movie. I do think it will age better than what we're seeing right now. I do think that. All right. Well, so this film was a bit unique in being a football horror mashup.
00:22:46
Speaker
um I think we both have the same thought going into this pod. So it's funny you texted me beforehand, but I was just curious. Let's share some of our favorite football films. Again, I don't think there's any other football horror films, or at least none that I've seen, but just football in general. What makes the top of your list?
00:23:03
Speaker
um All right. So I did a top five. um Number five is Any Given Sunday. Okay. Oliver Stone's fucking coke-headed, crazy-ass
Fictional Football Teams Debate
00:23:14
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depiction of the NFL or the fake NFL with Al Pacino, Jamie Foxx, Cameron Diaz. Love that movie.
00:23:19
Speaker
um Number four is ah O.J. Made in America, the five-part documentary. a love that film. That's smart. And I know it's – No, it's not considered a film by many people. It was the last ah miniseries to sneak into the Oscars and win an Oscar before people are like, dude, that's a miniseries. Like, let's not call that a film. yeah But I don't care.
00:23:42
Speaker
i love it. It's a great story of, again, racism, football, culture. Wonderful. If you haven't seen it, O.J. Made in America is great. Number three, ah movie that we quote all the time. Remember the Titans. Yes.
00:23:54
Speaker
um just I'll let you talk more about that one because I know that's that's going to be on your list. Number two, it's just there based on like how many times I've seen it. well i played high school football and this film was probably on before every home game and we would watch almost all of it. Friday Night Lights. I've read the book.
00:24:11
Speaker
I've seen part of the TV show. um It's just amazing. But number one is probably a little out of left field, Trav, but it is another documentary called Gleason and it covers the special teams player, Stephen Gleason, for the Saints. yeah He started making a documentary about his life.
00:24:31
Speaker
Shortly thereafter, he was diagnosed with Lou Gehrig's disease, ALS. Then shortly thereafter that, he found out that his wife was pregnant. And it is such a... I have never seen a more life affirming movie, but also a harrowing movie about what matters in life, making amends, mortality, acknowledging that time on earth is is limited. And you go from this like chill surfer dude, who's kind of a locker room, funny guy to you see him transform into this like philosophical poignant,
00:25:06
Speaker
um person who's just trying to squeeze everything out of life before it becomes very different for him. If you haven't seen it, Trav, i you're not that emotional. You will cry.
00:25:16
Speaker
You will cry. It's, yeah. That's a good recommendation. All right, so mine might be a more shallow pool. And I don't know if I've actually ranked them one above the other but just generally speaking there was a run of football related movies from 94 to 2000 which I would say would be my favorites on the list like I think that was the high point for me for football films so I think what stands out far and away is my favorite football film of all time this is the third pod episode now out of our what 16 episodes I've brought it up is remember the Titans strong that movie again I played football too growing up like that movie had me ready to run through a wall um
00:25:53
Speaker
Love it. Denzel. Did it cure your racism, Trav? One of my favorite performances. i ah At that age, especially growing up in like Boulder, Colorado, where it's not very diverse of a town, that movie had me thinking that racism was completely cured, done and well. like Football is what saved the country. But it is also really informative. it like It is a good film. I don't think anyone's Very few people critique it as being like too woke or anything like that. I think it's one where it's done very tastefully.
00:26:25
Speaker
There's a version out there in the multiverse where that movie sucks, where it's maudlin and just being too cutesy. It doesn't, that's not there. I mean, that we can rattle off a zillion cringy race related movies.
00:26:38
Speaker
and And at least as for two white guys in a pod, I think it stands up. It's a fucking huge success. Yes. I'm Petey, the running back, the running back.
00:26:49
Speaker
Like, love that movie. um Yeah, so that's my number one. Other movies that came out, though, in that era that I love. um The Replacements. Always love going back to what's that. Yep. And then ah The Little Giants. Have you ever seen The Little Giants with Rick Moranis and Ed O'Neill? Love that film.
00:27:07
Speaker
once when I was a kid, remind us what that's about. Rick Moranis, right? Well, Rick Moranis and Ed O'Neill are brothers. Ed O'Neill's the alpha, like great football team. Rick Moranis has a daughter who wants to play football. Ed O'Neill won't let her on his team because only boys play football. So he starts his own team and they have to battle it out. Who,
00:27:26
Speaker
to see which team can represent the town. And so it's like a cast of misfits who end up coming together and overcoming to become the the good team. um And then the the only other one was the the water boy with Adam Sandler that came out then. So these were all 94 to 2000. I mean, I guess on that same run, you know, Forrest Gump's not really a football movie, but he was one of the best players in the University of Alabama.
00:27:48
Speaker
He was. He was. In their school history for kick returns. So um yeah, that that was a good run there. So those are some of my favorites. Yeah. Um, well, I, on that note, I did have a question about who the best, who you think the best fake professional team was. I going to save it for winners and losers, but we're doing lists. We can want to do this real quick.
00:28:07
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, man. I haven't thought of it. There's only three. There's really only three. There's really only three big ones. And so it's more like who of these who of these ah would would be the best. So um it's the San Antonio Savers from him um in the replacements. You have the Washington Centennials and then any given Sunday, the Miami Sharks.
00:28:29
Speaker
um I'm going to go ahead and say the the Sharks would take both those teams behind the woodshed. I'm sorry. Saviors have eight championships, man. like that's That's a dynasty like we've never seen in real life. like It's hard for me to not think it would be a team this film. Are we talking about post-GOAT or while while ah Isaiah White is still there? think we're taking the teams at their peak, right?
00:28:52
Speaker
Yeah. If you could just measure them from any point in their history. i think it's like I saw more of the inner machinations of of the Miami Sharks and Jamie Foxx's rise to an an amazing pocket slash running quarterback and Pacino's inch by inch speech. I just don't see how you beat that.
00:29:17
Speaker
um LL Cool j hell of a running back. yeah they're They're knocking people's eyes out of their sockets. so But you know I could see the San Antonio ah ah saviors making a run for it.
00:29:30
Speaker
But I don't know about the Centennials. Yes. I think we can at least agree that they're out of the conversation. ah When your kicker is like fucking smoking cigarettes on the field, like you don't have the cardio, you don't have the conditioning to actually keep up there.
00:29:46
Speaker
Keanu Reeves, though, he may not be winning any championships against these other fake NFL teams. He does have to win the best quarterback names in football movies. He's got Johnny Utah and Shane Falco. I'm sorry.
00:29:59
Speaker
that's That's strong. Cameron Cade is there, though. I mean, it just sounds, again, like a quarterback name, but I agree that Falco and Johnny Utah are or far, far above.
00:30:09
Speaker
Cameron Cade and Isaiah White, those sound like the most realistic names of those characters. Well, Cam Ward was the number one quarterback taken in the draft this past year, another Cam. So maybe it's just like very yeah relevant, very timely.
00:30:24
Speaker
um All right, production notes? Yeah, production got anything else? Nope.
00:30:32
Speaker
I think we touched on budget already. I was saying around $27 million. know you said $25 million earlier. and again, box office theory is projecting around $20 million for the opening weekend here. So even good despite ah critics panning this a bit, they are getting butts in seats to date at least. and And so they are selling tickets. Again, this has already surpassed, it sounds like, The Long Walk, which go see The Long Walk if you haven't. I love this film, Him, as well. But our episode from last week, The Long Walk,
00:31:02
Speaker
needs to have more people going to see it. So yeah, um the the development of this movie actually is kind of interesting. So for those who aren't familiar with The Blacklist, this is a list in Hollywood every year that is voted upon as the best unproduced screenplays.
00:31:20
Speaker
And is a great way to shine the spotlight on ah spec scripts that producers, directors, studios can pick up and develop. It's kind of a way to be like, okay, this is what peers in the industry or critics or Whoever's reading these scripts, it's a collection of industry people.
00:31:38
Speaker
And this was on the 2022 blacklist. um It was a little different. It was titled Goat um instead of him. um I know why they changed the name too.
00:31:50
Speaker
Why? ah Because early next year, there's a movie coming out called Goat produced by Steph Curry. It's like an animated kids movie about a goat who is the greatest of all time.
00:32:02
Speaker
yeah I don't think they want to compete with the other goat coming out within a few months of, uh, well, they went with an equally SEO unfriendly name called him. Um, and so that, that, uh, version of the script was written by Skip Bronke and Zach Akers,
00:32:17
Speaker
Um, it seems that monkey paw, uh, picked up the script. They were interested in it, but that what they wanted to do was, um, attach a writer director to put it their own spin on it. Meaning they wanted the director to take this script.
00:32:32
Speaker
It's kernels of ideas, make it their own to be more personal to them because you know, as such peel is they're very, an auteur driven production company. They want what's on page to really line up with what's on the screen.
00:32:45
Speaker
And so pretty common thing to do. And so they got Justin Tippin involved, who um made a pretty successful indie hit called Kicks in 2016.
00:32:56
Speaker
um Heard of it. Never seen it. have you I didn't hear of it until until doing research on this film. I'd never heard of it. So, OK, I'd seen it, seen about it, but not seen it. And that's about his experience getting jumped based off of some Nike shoes he was wearing.
00:33:11
Speaker
um And so they have this script. he What I've heard, and I've read a little bit of GOAT just in in prep for this. um It sounds like what he changed, he added more supernatural elements. He added more horror elements.
00:33:23
Speaker
um The original script still did have a QB competition going on. um But again, going back to Tyreek Withers, what a great casting because this is a guy who played one year of high school football and then was able to walk on at FSU as a wide receiver.
00:33:39
Speaker
So he played there in 2016, 2017. Here's his State. Florida State. Yeah. Here's his stats. Logged repetitions with the scout team.
00:33:50
Speaker
That's his stats. That's it. Yeah. Okay. But he was on the team. Yeah. He was on the team. He's still getting experience of what college football, which is yeah a step closer to professional, looks like. His time on the scout team must have been pretty competitive. I mean, he played.
00:34:05
Speaker
have been going up against Derwin James as a DB at the same time. And then ah Cam Akers was the running back. while he was there. So it was James James was graduated. think James. I think I think I think James NFL Lobster fingers.
00:34:22
Speaker
ah ah Winston was already. Okay. Yeah, yeah he's in the press. I saw somebody say they should put a new rule in the NFL that Jameis Winston should be the the ah all-time quarterback, meaning he's just the quarterback for everybody at all times.
00:34:35
Speaker
The all-time backup QB. Whenever a starting quarterback goes down, you just get Jameis Winston on your team and he gets to be your backup quarterback, which I would be a huge fan of. Just airing it out. yeah I would too.
00:34:46
Speaker
Hey, Tyreek Withers, we also need to mention he came out in I Know What You Did Last Summer, the remake. He did. He did. Also plays a jock in that movie. um Okay. How about ah Tim Heidecker making another Peel-produced return? Because he was in Us as the white family dad. and And I love Heidecker.
00:35:06
Speaker
I love Heidecker. So he's this wasn't his best role. like I like that he had a role in this, but... I wanted a bit more maybe from what I saw out of him in this film.
00:35:18
Speaker
I love Heidecker. He'll make my best lines. That's for sure. Okay. Yes. We should probably talk about ah Julia Fox as well. Yes. Who plays Elsie White. So she's like Marlon Wayne's character's social influencer, crazy girlfriend. But she was also in like presence earlier this year. Like she's coming out a lot of stuff right now. And I think she was like,
00:35:37
Speaker
prior to her acting career, fairly self-made. So I think she has a quite the following, and she's really fun in this film. Another example of Julia Fox pretty much just playing Julia Fox.
00:35:52
Speaker
That's why care whenever she's in a film. And just when it goes well, it's like that's and I think ah it's one of those cases where i'm not mad about it. She's got a certain like I wouldn't call it Valley Girl inclinations, but it's just like this.
00:36:06
Speaker
I don't know how to describe her except this is a Julia Fox performance. You know, she came out on the scene in Uncut Gems as a as Benny Sadfi's muse. Yeah, i I like her. She's fun in this film as well. The more I think about it, like she she adds to the zaniness and mystique of the film.
00:36:23
Speaker
yeah Also, a babe. Yeah. Well, the eyebrow thing, I don't know, is not really working for me. And then ah the only other one worth mentioning is Jim Jeffries, like the standup comedian. I think this is his first feature film he's in. And so he plays like the doctor on site um at Wayne's at wayne's like football retreat compound. That's the film is the setting. I must have had my head in the sand because other people mentioned Jeffries as a household name or somebody that recognized. it did you know him from other stuff?
00:36:55
Speaker
Yeah, well, I know from his stand-up career. I think, again, this is his first feature film, but he's like, you know if you scroll on Netflix to like the stand-up specials, he always is in like the top 10 for ones that are trending. He's released quite a few of them.
00:37:06
Speaker
Got it. Not as funny in this film, but slight humor. Again, with him and Heidecker in this. And Wayne's like, you you have a lot of comedians in this film. And so maybe another reason I was slightly disappointed is there was some attempts at humor, but nothing really, really got to me here.
00:37:23
Speaker
Marlon Wayans, Jim Jeffries, and Tim Heidecker all comedians. and Peele produced. So like it this is comedians who like horror. And yet it wasn't that funny. Yeah, he said it wasn't that funny. Exactly. All right. i do I have to give it some love in this regard, though. So what did you before I get into how they did it, what did you think about the thermal imaging x-ray looks at when they' are there's contact, they're fighting? Yeah.
00:37:49
Speaker
One of the best parts of the film. I mean, I think when you look at the general praise where it is for this film is seeing like people going head to head on a hit and then seeing like the x-ray like vision of those two schools colliding. Like it looks good because of that.
00:38:03
Speaker
So that was one of the better parts of this film. As those scenes ended, or i was like, wait, I want to want to go go back to that. How did they do that? And so um thankfully, Tipping is pretty um um open about how they filmed it. And so I want to explain um how they did that. So Tipping wanted to showcase, ah you know, he he's like, a lot of people don't really understand the violence of football um because These people are covered by helmets.
00:38:31
Speaker
You're not seeing them bleed. You're not seeing these internal injuries. And so of course you can show big hits and stuff, but he really wanted to double down on like what's happening inside the body. And so they purchased a military grade thermal camera on eBay, which oh wow I just think that's, that's cool. Even for a studio produced movie, they're still, uh, finding shop on eBay to find it. They, um, they,
00:38:55
Speaker
They lined it up. They put it literally on top of their um they camera they're A camera, so and and an ARRI camera, so that they can be shooting at the same time. they um Their first AC 3D printed a mechanism that allows them to pull focus on both at the same time.
00:39:14
Speaker
And then in post, they merge these images together. So you have thermal imaging, the real imaging, And then in the VFX side, they would take actual body scans of the two characters and apply that as a third level.
00:39:29
Speaker
And so then that that gives them the chance to add a skeletal system, a nervous system, a muscular system, and the brain. And then tipping had the ability to like manipulate the opacity of each level.
00:39:43
Speaker
like to what he wanted, but they shot this without having a monitor be able to depict exactly what they're looking at. So it was all theoretic. And so it's a very risky move and it's a thing of trust.
00:39:54
Speaker
But the fact that they did that and it worked is pretty cool. Yeah, I yeah. Like we said, one of the core parts of the movie love when you know, a director takes a big swing like that to try something uncharted. And it is something that works for this film.
00:40:10
Speaker
um And then I'll say last thing, the a few comps, few movies that tipping told his actors to watch to like get a better sense of like, you know, the style he wanted. He told Marlon Wayans to watch Training Day.
00:40:22
Speaker
and and look at Denzel Washington. can see that now. Yeah. yeah So that what he wanted him to look at was like ah ah how with Denzel's character in that movie, you don't, you're never really sure beat to beat what he's thinking or what he's all about.
00:40:36
Speaker
Yeah. and I think Marlon translated that. And, It's still, you know, Denzel in Training Day has that swagger and still charisma. He's very charming when you first meet him. And that is literally Wayne's character, like, as you get introduced him in this film as well. So yeah that's that's a great, great comp. Yeah. um A few other movies I'll just mention real fast.
00:40:54
Speaker
ah he He talked comps that he told the whole crew to watch or, like, I guess the principal folks involved. And that was... ah ah Black Swan, The Shining, um ah Luca's remake of Suspiria.
00:41:08
Speaker
um So some some movies that you and I you know i like. I do think tipping, I think this, and I hope this doesn't sound too disparaging as somebody who has not nearly achieved a fraction of what this guy has been able to do.
00:41:22
Speaker
get a writer, you know, work with the writer who lines up with your philosophies or interests because the script is the only part of this movie.
00:41:34
Speaker
Cause I thought his, du well, a bit of the directing is a bit all over the place. I will say that I think he needs to ground it a bit more. It was when you have an alien world and also the scenes are kind of fragmented.
00:41:45
Speaker
All you're getting is is dreamscape and we never really feel like we're in a real place, which I think could have helped be a bit more grounded to to that point. Like, I think it's really interesting. because Like you said, it was the initial script itself that was such a hot commodity and somewhere something got lost in translation, I think, where the end product that felt like the most lacking part, honestly.
00:42:08
Speaker
You're picking up on exactly what I'm saying. So I'm going to give you a quote of something that um tipping said about the changes he made to the original script. And so I think we both agree is that it's it's not grounded enough. Like football is such a and I get making it surreal, but I needed something to latch on to. And I did feel like we were in a music video. it just went from thing to thing.
00:42:29
Speaker
ah We never really landed anywhere. i wanted a bit more meat and potatoes of the story. So get this. He says, um the source material was its own beast and it worked on a more ground level as opposed to taking it over the top.
00:42:44
Speaker
And so he took some pivotal scenes to illustrate his point. Like, um you know, he just mentions a few places where he made it more surreal, more weird, eerie, uncanny, which look, that's what you want in a monkey pop production.
00:42:58
Speaker
I agree though. I do wonder how he just enhanced here and there, but didn't, didn't get in the writer's room as much. If we would have got a better product, it is, it's an interesting question.
00:43:09
Speaker
Yep. All right. Well, I think with that, should we move to spoiler territory? We can talk about our scrometer, I guess, and then get right into highlights and our awards. Spoiler warning. Spoiler warning.
00:43:34
Speaker
So, Scarameter, I mean, this is, there are some scary moments here. I don't think it was necessarily too scary, but there's some traditional, you know, jump scares or, you know, cringing as you're like, what's around this corner?
00:43:50
Speaker
Why is this football continually spinning and not stopping? And so i I think I'm at like a four on this one, just under like our our median benchmark. What about yourself? I had it at two.
00:44:03
Speaker
Oh, wow. I just like you really have not been scared by these last films we've watched here. I've not ever since the conjuring. Yeah. When when the when a movie series sends you to the ER r three times in four weeks, I think nothing else will scare you anymore. Yeah.
00:44:17
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I think, yeah, of objectively, there's a few scary frames and moments. I had a tough time finding a Ben Gardner jump scare award. So hopefully you know I have one. Really? Yeah. OK, good.
00:44:30
Speaker
I have one. um But yeah, i I flirted between two and three here. um it I did like, you've kind of made me think about the scrometer a little differently. And in that case, maybe I'll put it at three.
00:44:42
Speaker
ah In that, like the long walk, you were like, maybe you weren't scared in the moment, but it's the things that made you think about that were frightening and that were horrific. You know, beaten something that is scary and horrific are...
00:44:56
Speaker
I listened to the pod on Long Walk and I heard myself say like, it's the Long Walk isn't scary. It's horrific. And I thought, is that a dumb thing to say that I just say something really stupid and like these are the other same words.
00:45:08
Speaker
And so I Googled like the definitions of each. And I stand by what I said because scary is like it's a visceral, Like you, your heart stops. Are you like you're jumping out of your seat and like, it's very physical or as horrific is like you're watching something kind of disturbing that makes you think about your own life.
00:45:26
Speaker
And maybe that's where hereditary creeps in because you're thinking about grief. And if I want to talk about horrific, As somebody who sustained four concussions and the fourth one really did a number on me, anytime I see a movie that deals with head trauma, i'm um it's going to land. And so maybe I'll bump it up a bit because, yeah, in the moment, no, yeah this is not a scary movie.
00:45:47
Speaker
But there are some- Let's say a three or four. i think that sounds ah think that sounds right. You're cheating me to a four a bit, but I'll get to three. You're a good negotiator. I'll say, I think that feels right.
00:45:58
Speaker
um All right. Well, let's, let's move to highlights then. I'm curious what you have here. I had the first scene. I had the first scene juxtaposed with the second scene, which is you have a young um Cameron Cade watching his idol on TV in a small home with his family and I like the cameras focused on Cade here, not the TV broadcast itself, but yeah showing Cade consuming football and how integral this is and shapes him into you know the future star quarterback he is. I i like that a lot.
00:46:32
Speaker
I thought this captured an amalgamation of ah a family, of a football-focused family, not one that just loves to consume, but one that is hoping this can be their ticket out of ah bad situations financially.
00:46:47
Speaker
I literally saw all of those things in my experiences doing interviews with college players about to go to the NFL or hoping they would and and didn't, and from from a neglected sibling.
00:46:58
Speaker
to a father who's way too tough, to a mother who's maybe helicopter mother, to the small home, to the military connections, the father with the military. And then you juxtapose it with when he's older, the father's passed away, the the brother's still kind of, you know, in the in the shadows.
00:47:16
Speaker
And it was really realistic to me. And yeah, like you said, the focusing on their reactions versus what's on screen, I thought was really powerful and and and set a good tone set a good tone for the movie.
00:47:27
Speaker
Yeah. You know, it's another funny part of the film is that family dynamic was one of the more enticing parts of the film and I think done well, but they're only present in the first act, right? They go to Isaiah White's compound. One of my biggest nitpicks.
00:47:40
Speaker
um And they're gone. They're pretty much right out of the movie other than like a phone call here there. I think there's like two other instances. Yeah. So I really like that. What about you? up I really liked the compound...
00:47:52
Speaker
um there's a break in the action where Isaiah White takes Cade out shooting. I think this is right after the scarier sauna scene. And just their dialogue there is the one part where I feel like they do it right. Because there's a lot of insinuation that Marlon Wayans wants to make a bet with Cade to say like, all right, you're shooting now.
00:48:12
Speaker
Let's say if you hit the target, you can get whatever you want. You know I'm wealthy, I'm rich, you name it, I'll give it to you. If you miss, if you miss... Like, I want your youth, which kind of insinuates like he might be able to actually get to the supernatural kind of presence of this film.
00:48:29
Speaker
And Cade says, no, I don't want to take that bet. But if I miss, I might let you like start another year for for the saviors. And that he kind of looks at him with like a little wink, a little like a nodded wink there. And I.
00:48:44
Speaker
I did like that because I think, got back to the heart of what this film was trying to explore, where a lot of times it loses its way or loses its focus of this aging superstar veteran grappling with you know his career coming to an end and this young up and comer trying to figure out his place. And so I liked that. it was one reminder of the film where they got back to it, where a lot of the rest of the time at the compound, they they don't do it as well.
00:49:08
Speaker
it's it's a g glimpse it's ah It's a glimpse into what they should have done more of. ah Yeah. That dynamic, that jealousy, i agree completely. Did you know what?
00:49:19
Speaker
um I thought what was going to happen in this movie until the very end when they were like battling and they explained what's happening is that... ah is that Marlon Wayne's character, Isaiah White, was grooming ah Cameron Cade's character to be a host for him to like be and go into sight, like transfer his consciousness into his body so he can keep playing. Because Marlon Wayne's, the only reason that he is having to hang it up is because his body is failing him.
00:49:50
Speaker
I thought with the blood transference and blood transfusion and that whole thing that there was some, i thought the supernatural element was going to get us to a place where he was going to use his body to continue his career.
00:50:02
Speaker
And so I would have really liked that because taking someone's youth, that lined up for me as far as like, he's almost a vampiric in wanting, you know what i mean? That's where I thought we were headed as well. um I have to, while we're still in that shooting scene though, I do have to call out,
00:50:17
Speaker
Was that a live person in a mascot suit they brought out? Like one of the super fans that they were just shooting at? One of my dull knives, Trev. It's one of my dull knives. Because if so, and yeah, I guess we can hash it out a bit more in dull knives, but like it kind of questions Cade's morality because he still shoots him. And that was one of the confusing parts of the movie with like, is Cade down with this or is he not? Like he is not a white knight.
00:50:41
Speaker
Like his descent into madness is very convoluted with like, Is he for it? Is he against it He's doing some horrible things. Is even aware what's going on?
00:50:53
Speaker
There's a lot of times where it's like, does he know what he's doing or not? Well, in that regard, I think Tipping did hit on something um because he says in his interviews that a thing he wanted to explore was regardless if it's in sports or art or business, if the pursuit of greatness is one that we've already talked about, that there's a sacrifice there, um which I think we can agree didn't totally work here.
00:51:18
Speaker
But the other element is that in that pursuit, the idea of becoming somebody so different that you only, you you hardly recognize yourself in the mirror anymore. You, you've, you've lost part of your soul or your identity or what made you, you in this relentless pursuit of greatness.
00:51:35
Speaker
That being said, I'd have to believe that there's no way at that point Cade thought there was an actual human in there because it would have not been a congruent, consistent slip into madness or there was not enough signs. To us viewers, it looked pretty clear that there was a live human in that suit that they dragged out there.
00:51:55
Speaker
So that's why it's kind of silly. and That's why it's a dull knife because it doesn't, it didn't, um those two elements are pretty incompatible. It's weird. I wonder if it's like it was too far away. Maybe he couldn't see it and we can see it and we can, it shows that Marlon Wayans is a psychopath, but I don't know.
00:52:13
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. um yes kind of Anyways, um Ben Gardner. Or a jump scare? The only one I could think of was the like the plastic bag part where like he's all of a sudden a plastic bag thrown over his head. but maybe you Yeah, I forgot about that one. Yeah, they asphyxiate him real quick. And I forget if that's like a hallucination or not.
00:52:32
Speaker
Mine was when he's being driven to Isaiah White's compound, right as they're pulling up. There's all the super fans lined up right outside of this like remote desert retreat.
00:52:44
Speaker
And the female super fan who you see later in the movie suddenly slams her face up against the glass it's just something like we don't like you her marjorie marjorie but it was that the character's name but yeah her slamming her face up against the window was a jump not that big of one but that's about as jumpy as i i got throughout the film she could really hawk a loogie she had some allgies seasonal allergies it seemed she was i don't know again where she fits again in the story. like Is she part of this cult or ritual or was she just a legit super fan who's dialed it up to 110%?
00:53:19
Speaker
i I'm not sure. I think that was more so... ah you you know You see a lot of Christian iconography in this movie. They they do... They focus on the cross on their necklace. yeah They have these like the term fanatic, religious, and yeah fanatic, fan. you know with That's where you get the word fan is a fanatic.
00:53:39
Speaker
But they're almost cult-like in their obsession over these people. There's like a religious element to how they see them. You have like the very overt Last Supper frame, which I kind of scoffed at a little bit. I was just like, come on.
00:53:53
Speaker
It was a bit too on the nose. Yeah, I was with you with that. ah But I think that's why they are there, at Travis. I think it's supposed to show like the the obsessive cult like ah reaction to football players that that again, it's a good idea because I do think in America where God football family is a legit thing, I think that especially in the ah in the South and Middle America.
00:54:21
Speaker
there is a religious like obsession with football and that lines up with us, what we do on Sundays, you know, lot of Americans to go to church and they go watch football and there's blurred lines between how they, you know, treat themselves or the world and the sport and don't know.
00:54:36
Speaker
i think that's what we're going for, but I don't know if it totally works. All right, cantaloupe award? Yeah. ah Again, for me, in my head trauma history, watching old boy yeah take footballs to the face, ah that was... oh that one. Yeah. Okay.
00:54:53
Speaker
so that That was tough, seeing just the one random groupie or No, not a groupie. No, dude, they were desperate free agents. They were trying to get on a team. I guess. That's what he said. he they is But that seemed like a wink and a nod, too. Like, no one...
00:55:09
Speaker
No one's that desperate to make a team to have their face entirely broken up and almost die from. I would I would push back on that. I would say that at that level, i what people are willing to do to achieve greatness or be in proximity of greatness, I don't think there's a limit to what they're willing to do. I mean, these characters, these people... It doesn't actually translate into a skill set you need to like make it to the pros. like You're not going to take the 10th football to the face and they're like, my God, this guy's got it. Look how tough he is.
00:55:38
Speaker
what what We're going put him on... kick blocking like we're going to try to have him punch blocks and punts but I think i i think it's an exact I think it is an exaggeration of a player willing to sacrifice his body to show that he's yeah a utility and and ah basically a tackling dummy because in his mind it's like well at least if I can show them that I have disregard for my own health and pain levels that they'll get me on a team maybe a scout team and I can prove myself I think people think that way they're like they'll give up anything so I do think it was ah an exaggerated version of the sacrifices one is willing to make.
00:56:14
Speaker
It was gruesome for me to watch. I mean, let's set up the scene. Basically, Cade is supposed to hit receivers. No one's wearing pads at this point. um They're on their own crossing routes slants. They're just kind of running all over the place. And ah so he does well. He hits his receivers for a few times. But the first drop, whether it was his fault or the receivers,
00:56:35
Speaker
um ah this big old white guy with long hair is standing like probably three feet in front of a drugs machine. And he's been there the whole time. We're all one. I thought he was going to rush him. I thought he was going blitz and like get him from his blind side and like distract him.
00:56:51
Speaker
But no, the distraction he serves is that every time Cade misses a receiver or receiver drops the ball, The jugs, the one of the coaches puts a football into the jug machine and just slams into the guy's head. It just it just like smacks him in the head.
00:57:06
Speaker
And it really rattles Cade. It rattled me because those things are going really fast. And it's a fucking football. And he's like three feet there. i I had this later for the, up I have to bring it up now. The guy who's putting the footballs in the machine. So one of the lackeys of Isaiah White, I think his name is Malik.
00:57:24
Speaker
That also has the scene where he takes off his sunglasses for the first time. And you just see his eyes looking in two different directions, which is like, okay. So he is crazy. I get it. get it. Watch this.
00:57:35
Speaker
I'm not only going to put balls in a drug machine and hit this guy in the face, but my eyes look in different directions. yeah well Watch out. ah Okay, so I had one of the training drills at the compound as well, but a different scene um where it's that intense helmet to helmet hit.
00:57:51
Speaker
So this is a little later in the film, but this is where, again, you talk about like seeing the thermal or like x-ray vision. and um of them going head to head because it looks intense. They captured what should be like a huge head to head hit.
00:58:04
Speaker
And um it's just hard to watch because, oh, man, yeah I mean, you see it in real football all the time. And it's the type of hits where you're like, oh, someone's going to be concussed. It could be career ending even.
00:58:15
Speaker
But do you see it from a quarterback? that was That was a dull knife for me, though. The hit that Cameron Cade lays on this guy, I'm like, first of all, it looked like a soccer headbutt, which maybe just comes from Tipping's um ah experience playing soccer. It was. And it's the it's the quarterback delivering the hit to like the linebacker, the guy rushing him. Again, Cade is playing quarterback in the drill.
00:58:38
Speaker
sees a guy coming at him, and instead of evading or getting the pass off in time, just headbutts him. Do you think that would have worked, though? Because he the guy has such momentum, and Cade is like standing up straight, and he just goes... yeah you keep still be You can't still be standing as if you're just standing in place and someone's rushing you and someone of that size is rushing you, you can't be the one left standing after that and deliver more force. But I do agree. Then he could deliver to you.
00:59:04
Speaker
It looked cool for sure. Uh, and it is the first, it's the first time that we it's the first time that we see the thermal imaging, um, uh, use in full, full frame. It's not just their body. It's like the the whole screen is that thermal imaging world. And,
00:59:21
Speaker
but But yeah, i're we're jumping all over some of our dull knives, other categories. And maybe that maybe that it's almost like ah synonymous with the all over the place nature of this film. It's kind of like mosaic in a way. and I still got plenty of dull knives. Don't worry. All right. Well, let's move on then. Let's go to, so after that, we get to our cannon fodder a award for deaths. I had some I really liked, but if you have one ready, you can go first if you'd like.
00:59:49
Speaker
Did the woman, did she die? the woman, when she creeps into the sauna, Cade chokes her, she comes back to life. And then Marlon Wayne, does he like stab her? yeets her. No, he yeets her into the wall.
01:00:02
Speaker
Okay. He throws her against the wall, but I don't know if she died then or if she was the one in the mascot costume that they then bring out to the shooting range later. So yeah, she she has two groupies with her too.
01:00:13
Speaker
And I don't know what happens to them. Their fate's TBD, but ah that's yeah a good one for Janet Potter. I had her, assuming she dies, I had her as cannon fodder because it it truly was death for death's sake because it's like, we just need you to die because then it or or get injured in a gruesome way because it it opens Cade's eyes up to be like, okay, things are changing a bit. and we should We should mention that the... ah This movie is broken into five parts, oddly enough.
01:00:42
Speaker
ah Day one and this. I think this. I think there's sex these six. I i've wrote down all the day names. Yeah. This happened. I'm trying to. You got fun. Then day one is fun. Day two is poise. Day three is leadership. Day four is resilience. Day five is vision.
01:00:59
Speaker
Day six, sacrifice. Six. don't know if I love the title cards for each day, but it's hard to draw strong connections to each of those words as well. I guess that's part of what makes a good quarterback, but yeah did it didn't have a huge impact on the film. I don't think it organized the film in a way that made me understand it better either.
01:01:20
Speaker
yes yeah Visually, it all blended together into the same... you know, you know, it didn't. Yeah. um But yeah, that was what it didn't feel too distinct. No, um I can't father. So again, it's, it's found out through film that this is really a, cult.
01:01:36
Speaker
They have found a way to promise that they will get the best quarterbacks in the league. And at the end of the film, after Kate is now grappled with and defeated Marlon Wayans, he shows up to this,
01:01:50
Speaker
at the the ritual essentially where he can now sign his name and be the next star of the franchise. And you have the owner of the team and you have Tim Heidecker's character, his agent, but they have to have more people at the ritual. So there's just a lot of dudes in pig mask who Cade just rips through right at the start of it. And so their deaths, I mean, there's one guy, he just chucks a sword at him, pills in the back and then like cuts them in two. And so those are just textbook cannon fodder. So you can have a few more kills in there where these were the no name cultists, I guess, who, who pal around with the owner.
01:02:21
Speaker
the red the ah ah The red shirts, as they say, in ah yeah which comes from Star Trek. Yeah, if he was wearing a red shirt, it was it was almost a lock that that person was going to die in Star Trek. yep Okay, that's it.
01:02:32
Speaker
ah But yeah, a lot a lot of red shirt deaths in that scene. right, best death. I really liked this part ah in this climactic, crazy ass scene, which isn't perfect. There's a lot of questions about what the fuck's happening. But one thing I loved was the decapitation of the owner because that that was mine, too.
01:02:52
Speaker
It's so playing. You hear when he hits the goalpost and then just spurting blood, if not, then a blood in the air that had to be best. Yeah. It's so great because he just leans into the campy ah blood. It's just spurting blood without, without pause.
01:03:09
Speaker
It was a funny fuck you to um ownership and greed and what they were trying to make him do. And just, yes, the clang that that is a callback to his clang when he threw the football at the goalpost in the beginning of the movie.
01:03:21
Speaker
And that yeah s wiggling sound of tension and yeah and unease. I thought that was great. When you hit the upright. Yep. Yep. Cool. All right. Shyamalan twist. Yeah, I tried to totally mine. Mine was is that the twist for me was I thought i was thought I was smart and I was like, oh, he's going to take over his body. And the twist was, no, it's it's truly just like they have this special blood that makes them ah not get or recover from injury better.
01:03:48
Speaker
or something quarterback to quarterback all about blood transfusions something that I think the Packers have tried to do going from you know Brett Bart Starr to Aaron Rodgers I had that brought up specifically for this like so even though I think Marlon Wayne's character like you said it's kind of shout out to Brady like if you try to think of franchises where it went from quarterback to quarterback like this has to be the Packers here with yeah Favre to Rodgers and now Jordan Love But Trav, when you only have four Super Bowls to your name ah compared to the Saviors, eight, is it really working? I don't know. You know, Rodgers overlived his time there. Yeah, they should have brought in the young upstart sooner rather than later. But Packers look pretty damn good this season, man, at 2-0. And again, playing today when this episode releases on Sunday.
01:04:40
Speaker
Is Jordan Love the new GOAT? I don't know if he's a goad, but he is a very good quarterback in that system. And they have a very young team. um Again, going back to like Matthew Gold and the receiver cores. In fact, I think they are the youngest average age in the NFL right now, the Packers roster. I heard that.
01:04:57
Speaker
Hopefully for years to come. Week four on this pod will be interesting for us considering, ah well, I guess week five, because that'll be after the Cowboys and Packers play. We play each other week four.
01:05:08
Speaker
Love Packers Cowboys. um So my twist is they've been master planning Cade's entire life from the time he was born, I guess. Like his his family was in on it. There's a picture the owner with Cade and his dad when Cade was a young boy. And they even sent the guy who attacked him right before the combine to essentially set him up where they could get him on the team, groom him to be the next franchise quarterback here. So it's an okay twist.
01:05:35
Speaker
Don't go in there. Yeah, mine was just don't go through that curtain. ever After everything everything you've seen, yeah from the blood, from like the very end of the film, he's just battled Marlon Wayans and then he still goes out to the ritual.
01:05:50
Speaker
Through that curtain is what you're saying. Take a few pieces of fine art, get those rings, maybe clean out the jewelry box and like get the fuck out of there. he's He's clearly not lost. he's He's like gone this far, but has still maintained his integrity and his soul.
01:06:05
Speaker
Like don't go through the Twin Peaks red curtain because bad shit is probably on the other end. Yeah, mine was you you have to say something to Jim Jeffries' doctor character that you are not okay with surprise needle injections repeatedly throughout the film. You got to say like, hey, man, I don't know what you're injecting me with. You can't keep sneaking up on me and in stabbing me with God knows what to inject into my system.
01:06:33
Speaker
i That was my joke going there. Um, I will say, Toradol is like used a lot more commonly than you think in, uh, in college it football.
01:06:46
Speaker
I'll just say, Oh, okay. And that is, that is done via syringe, but this was different. Yeah. This was blood. This is blood. Like stop putting blood into me, bro. They didn't even check his like, uh, to see if he was B positive or what his blood type was to make sure. you They were using blood transfusions pretty liberally here with a lot of risk, but, um,
01:07:05
Speaker
Playing blood transfusion little fast and loose is not my idea of a good time. Yeah. ah Best line. Okay. I have, I have a couple. um So there, I think they're, they're both, all of these are between two people, the two Jeffries and Tim Heidecker. So.
01:07:23
Speaker
Yep. The very beginning um Cameron Cade is being, rushed into a combine interview, pre combine interview.
01:07:34
Speaker
And there's all this press and somebody shouts out to them. They they yell at the camera case team, including time had a girl. They say, hey, is Cameron Cade pulling out of the combine? And Tim heager just goes, no, but I'm pulling out of your mom something like that.
01:07:48
Speaker
Pulling out of your mom is like, OK. um I also liked when Heidecker was trying to like pump up Cade. He was like, he used all these hymn plays on words, including him at the Chalamet, like you are him, him at the Chalamet, which I'm going to start calling you that Travis, when you do something real cool and alpha, I'll be like, dude, you're being, i'll take a or maybe I should be doing it when you're being very Sigma because Timothy Chalamet is more of a, right. I mean, he's not really your quintessential alpha unless we go to his messianic figure from doom two.
01:08:24
Speaker
Yeah. I think he's the, Maybe our generation Sigma, but Gen Z Alpha, if that makes sense. Changing role and masculinity there.
01:08:35
Speaker
Right. When you do something that's really inquisitive and sensitive and and maybe get back, to you know, I know you're trying to be more emotional. Maybe I'll reward you with a Hemothy Chalamet call out to you. Okay.
01:08:47
Speaker
um And then my last one is Jeffries is drunk or the medic is drunk talking to Cade. i had one I've kind of been hogging them. So do yeah you have to Jim Jeffries lines? Because yeah, Cade finds Jim Jeffries character, Marco, the doctor, like drunk in his room late at night.
01:09:05
Speaker
And Jim Jeffries is just like really opening up and he's like, I've given up my life for this. Like I don't have a life anymore. And he goes, I never get to see my kids. So Caden actually asked how many kids you got? Jim Jeffries is like, I don't have any kids, but the point is like. If I had them, I wouldn't see them. Exactly. um So I love that exchange.
01:09:26
Speaker
And then I love, um, I think it's the first day of drills where they tell him to undress and they're doing on the spot physical with Jim Jeffries. And when they tell him to drop his drawers, you know, Kate hesitates. He's like, wait, what? They're like, what? you got a baby dick or something?
01:09:39
Speaker
and any he reference to baby dick is a cheap laugh you can get out of me. ah Trav, this I think we are learning each other's tendencies here because I had a feeling when I handed off the rest of these lines to you that you would hit on the two I wanted to include. yeah is The exact two. that's is baby dick The baby dick and not having kids.
01:09:59
Speaker
The two things that I really identify with.
01:10:04
Speaker
All right. thanks Thanks, baby dick, Rick. Okay, let's move on. Let's not a thing. Let's move on to Dole Knives because I have a handful I got a lot of football-related ones specifically. So i don't know if you want to start or you want to let me just ramble through football. Go.
01:10:22
Speaker
Ramble through them. okay So I agree. I love the opening scene. It is a highlight of the film where it is showing Cam watch Isaiah White's... I think it's his first championship game is what we're led to believe and showing the impact it has on him.
01:10:36
Speaker
What I take issue with is if you listen to the broadcasters on the play... Again, you're not seeing the play, but you can... assume it sounds like it's isaiah white scoring a touchdown because he is on the field and the announcers yell out it's good which i have never once heard for a touchdown in my entire life watching football that is purely meant to be and on a field goal kick an extra point try and so i had a bone to pick with the film right from the get-go when they use it's good for a touchdown
01:11:08
Speaker
This is problem with a soccer ah player director. That's what I was thinking. A football director directing an American football movie might have some slip ups here and there.
Combine Participation Critique
01:11:22
Speaker
Yeah. So I took issue with that. And then i also take issue with. The big plot device for the film is ah Cade is attacked just prior to the combine. And because of that, he cannot partake in the combine because of his head injury.
01:11:38
Speaker
But this is very out of touch with today, especially for quarterbacks, especially for the top picks and drafts, because it is, I'd say, commonplace, not even the exception commonplace now for the top quarterbacks entering each year's draft to skip the combine or at least skip all the like quarterback related drills.
01:11:57
Speaker
And you are still fine. You can still participate in the draft without having participated in the combine. So just quick list. Throwing drills. Yeah. Yeah. So this year's number one ah overall pick, Cam Ward, skipped all the throwing drills in the combine, skipped that.
01:12:11
Speaker
Last year, 2024, you have Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels. That's the number one and number two overall pick, skipped the combine. Year before that, 2023, Bryce Young, number one overall pick, skips the combine.
01:12:23
Speaker
So the fact that he had to miss the combine, so therefore, ah guess, couldn't make the draft and just thought his football career was over. I think is a huge tool knife because that's really not how it works anymore, at least in the
Realism in Quarterback Transition Ritual
01:12:34
Speaker
and NFL. I know this is the USFF or whatever, but ah my last football one, it's just the fact again that like if this ritual can only be completed by the new and upcoming quarterback,
01:12:45
Speaker
taking on the former veteran quarterback. And it's really, it's depicted as like, it has to be a fight to the death, I guess, to see like, are we going to let the new guy take over? Are we going to give him the old guy's blood?
01:12:57
Speaker
Like, wouldn't there be a notable trend in the world of these hall of fame quarterbacks always dying or disappearing, like right as the new quarterback comes in? Like you think people, it's again, going back to the Packers analogy, like imagine if like when Rogers finally takes over, it's just like, oh, and by the way, Brett Favre died. And then, you know,
01:13:15
Speaker
roger Love gets drafted to the team. It's like, and Rogers died too now. like This is a little crazy. At a certain point, you'd start to catch on that. like What is going on with this team where their their quarterbacks die right when the new one comes in I'm going to put my tinfoil hat on here.
01:13:30
Speaker
yeah Maybe part of what they're doing is... ah allowing those quarterbacks into a situation where they have a fall from grace, like maybe a dick pic thing or being pro non-vaccinations or something.
Public Downfalls of Quarterbacks
01:13:44
Speaker
And then nobody really cares if they died. And so I kind of do see some similarities between the Saviors and the Packers here because Brett Favre is out there siphoning money away from like organizations that need them. Yeah. Or Mississippi.
01:13:56
Speaker
And then you have Aaron Rodgers, like giving out unfounded medical advice. So So metaphorical death, like you you have to sacrifice it. Part of the contract is at the end of your career, you have to sacrifice like any goodwill you have in the public sphere domain. and i guess i'm mighty Okay. Okay.
01:14:16
Speaker
ah Other dull knives you have, I think I hit most of mine. um I mentioned a lot of mine earlier on, but I'll just go back to the headbutt was so soccer. It was such a soccer Zendane headbutt, which I don't think we've ever seen a quarterback do and nor would ever work.
01:14:33
Speaker
and i think Justin Tippy needed a bit more of a football consultant on the on the scene.
Marching Band and Cheerleaders Reactions
01:14:38
Speaker
Only other one probably worth mentioning is at the very end of the film, the last set piece, this big ritual that Cade shows up for, there is a marching band and cheerleaders there. And so I was just curious, like,
01:14:48
Speaker
what happened to them. You know, Cade starts killing the owners, the primary cultists, and they're still, as far as I could tell, like playing music and cheering and just, just chilling there. And then he walks away after killing the owner without touching any of them. So I was just curious, like, were they part of the cult? Did they just bring in the, the actual cheerleaders for the team?
01:15:06
Speaker
this is a celebrate This is more than college football. You're only as good as your marching band. And they were disciplined. They did not bat an eye at all the carnage they just witnessed. So, you know, um yeah you know when SMU is not doing very well, I often do look at the best dressed band in the land, whatever we call our marching band. There was also flyover.
01:15:29
Speaker
There was also flyover right after you murdered them all. So it's like the pilot said on this. Yeah. Yeah. How deep does this go? oh How deep does this go? But maybe they're all in on it. Who knows?
01:15:42
Speaker
Yeah, I'd like to see the agreement, ah the the contract Lockheed Martin or the Navy. yeah Like, hey, ah don't pay too much attention to what's happening down there. Just fly over around this time. The the money will hit your account.
01:15:56
Speaker
But don't don't look too closely at what's happening. ah What the fuck? well Okay, Tim Heidecker, an invisible force, pulls him on to the sacrificial table and then he explodes. What was happening there?
01:16:11
Speaker
yeah right you know, that it needed blood. It's kind of like Conjuring Devil made me do it. Like a blood sacrifice was demanded. So whatever this old football god is.
01:16:24
Speaker
I mean I guess that again goes into the movie. Like they bring up like Native Americans really early on. So maybe there's like some supernatural like It's always been part of like, we only got the forward pass because the native Americans and their old blood gods and gods of the world. And so maybe it's that same God who's like, all right, someone, I guess is not appeased by all the blood that's already been spilt on the field. It's like, all right, we need Heidecker too. Like we're taking the agent.
01:16:48
Speaker
If we don't get our quarterback, he's going down too. yeah Yeah, I just I didn't know. Was it a was it a goat? Was it God? Was it the devil? um There is something to be said about mascots, which I did like all the creepy mascot shots. I should have said that in highlights. The opposite of a savior is a mascot. I did kind of like that line.
Players as Symbols in Sports Industry
01:17:08
Speaker
Well, yeah, because I think that goes back to the commodification of a player. Like ah when you are no longer seen as a person, you're seen as a symbol or you're seen' being used. You're kind of just a mascot and you dehumanized.
01:17:21
Speaker
But ah all right. So who is the who's the mascot that your girls are terrified by and like having nightmares about? Oh, gritty. My girl still this is like three months ago now. really Still wake up like one or two nights a week and run up to our room to to tell us that they were having another nightmare about gritty.
01:17:36
Speaker
um So thats that's been horrible. I'm very upset that they introduced her to that. I have nightmares about Philadelphia sports teams as well, but for different reasons. But I thought of your girls because there's some creepy mascot shit going on in this movie.
01:17:52
Speaker
And especially the one that's like, he's he's got a bunch of pink streamers coming out of him. He looks like a ah ah an abominable snowman mixed with Grimace, mixed with Gritty. Mixed with the Miranachi, like with the hat. Yes, Maybe what you should try is just send them that clip or show them that clip of the slow motion guy like we he's like pouring a beer out or something. He's doing something kind of strange in the locker room.
Mascot Nightmares Anecdote
01:18:18
Speaker
And Isaiah, I think Cade's watching him or something.
01:18:21
Speaker
Just see if that replaces Gritty. Maybe this will be a shorter nightmare span. Like it will just have nightmares about him for like one week. Cause Gritty is, I just want them to not be thinking about Gritty anymore. I guess that's saying. I'm not going to add fuel to the fire, but i appreciate your suggestion.
01:18:34
Speaker
um Let's do winners and losers. All right. Winner. One winner for me. Now we have the ability to have the double feature of him and her.
01:18:47
Speaker
Her Spike Jonze movie with Joaquin Phoenix. That's what i was thinking. yeah A him her. It could be like a nice Valentine's Day ah double feature. Yeah. Yep. I like that.
01:18:58
Speaker
i was going to say jugs machines. Um, yeah, really bringing those back yeah as, as, as you know, i'm working with Kurt Russell right now and, and, he is a huge baseball fan as well as a former baseball player. He played in the minor leagues, almost went the MLB. I didn't know that.
01:19:14
Speaker
Um, And he was talking about the how everything changed in the baseball world at the advent of Juggs machines. And so I was just thinking about Juggs machines. um What are you laughing about?
01:19:26
Speaker
They are seen as very menacing and well-oiled machines that seem very scary and effective. Yeah. I like it. My only winner that haven't like touched on throughout the rest of the episode is Peg.
Cult Ritual Check-In Scene
01:19:40
Speaker
Peg was the old woman at the check-in counter for the cult secret ritual party that Elsie takes Cade to. She was just a sweet old lady and Elsie's like, hey, Peg, I love your hair. And she just goes, thanks. And then you get into like all the debauchery and strobes of the cult's gathering.
01:19:56
Speaker
um I bet Peg has seen a few... She's probably seen a few parties in her day. She's older, so she's probably seen this, you know, the last few quarterbacks come through the system here.
01:20:07
Speaker
Been there, done that. um All right.
Unhealthy Fanbase Critique
01:20:10
Speaker
losersut Losers. Can we do losers? Yep. One of mine was the Savior fan base. Like this decrepit Hills Have Eyes-esque, but they can't seem to string together words and they're spitting at them and they can't, they're like kind of, some of them looked like War Boys from Mad Max.
01:20:29
Speaker
ah None of them looked like they were very healthy, like a little emaciated, maybe needed more vitamin D or C or E. I just, not a strong fan base on the Savior front. It was literally just the Raiders fan base. That's 100% agree. like that That's what I saw. I saw them. I was like, oh, we're talking about the Raiders here. Okay.
01:20:46
Speaker
But like Timu version of Raiders Nation. And when Marjorie, when you have Marjorie, is she's the captain of your fan base, you know something's not going well in that regard. Yeah.
01:20:57
Speaker
My only other loser kind of going along with that is just not paying or using real names and likeness. You know, we have this knockoff league like the USFF. You have like Wayne's when he's his character, Isaiah White, when Cam first gets to his compound saying like, oh, yeah, I saw your game against state, which is just like this always tie in for like a college football team. It reminds me of like if you ever see the Dr. Pepper ads for Fansville that are always playing on Saturdays during college football, they just refer to the team as state. I'm like, OK, and then but more so than that, near the end of the movie, when Cade confronts Isaiah,
01:21:32
Speaker
in like his Coliseum looking room. And this is the reveal where Isaiah is like, this has been happening for years, and quarterback to quarterback. You have the gladiator the gladiator symbolism. Yeah, you have the gladiator symbolism, but it really ruins the impact when he just points to random jerseys for made-up teams. and he's like, I got my blood from this guy.
Impact of Fictional Team Elements
01:21:50
Speaker
So, like, number 31 on the orange team. And he got his blood from the guy on the purple team. Well, no, it was the same team. I guess that's a good point. Same team, but still it takes away from the impact that it's, like, not real players. Like, what am I supposed to be wowed when he points at just, like, a random jersey still in there? So what did you want them to do? Be like, hey,
01:22:11
Speaker
Here's Eli Manning. I got my blood from Eli Manning. yeah Here's Michael Vick. I wanted Brady. I wanted Brady. At least they should have had the jersey number be 12. And then I would have understood that, like, yeah, we all know who he's talking about. But but not no using real names and likeness, it just kind of makes the movie a bit sillier. um but you know the you know teams You know the lawyers the lawyers behind the TB12 method would have come after them real quick. Yeah, that's it for me. Yeah.
01:22:40
Speaker
I only had one more, and that was um hu free agents. They were ah bit free agents are definitely losing in this movie.
01:22:51
Speaker
They're just seen as this this desperate band of of athletes who are just really there to be tackling dummies. And when one of them goes into that, it's a fencing response is when your hands kind of go up like that. We've seen it in the NFL in college when they happen. So far when one of them after that hit, we keep talking about is fencing, he's bleeding.
01:23:13
Speaker
and like Marlon Wayans is, they're all celebrating that this just happened. all in the around i Yeah. excited Still like embossing on the ground. I just, you know, i probably would go to mini camp with maybe even the jets, um, uh, over, over the saviors. If that's kind of treatment they're going to have.
01:23:29
Speaker
Oh, that's good. That's good. Um, all right. Scream King, scream queen. Who won this movie for it? who do you Who do you think, Travis?
01:23:40
Speaker
I still, I brought him up a few times. I really like Marlon Wayans. i I think he was dedicated the role. You know, he gets the line delivery like, I am him. I am football. love And he he was in it.
01:23:54
Speaker
Like, he really sold out for this movie. He gave it his all. And I i love him generally. And seeing him return to acting here, I thought was a big win.
Marlon Wayans' Standout Performance
01:24:02
Speaker
So. um Yeah, I think Marlon Wayans is the clear winner. I mean, he's he's the, if you want to be objective, talk about the high point of the movie, what everybody's praising.
01:24:12
Speaker
he's The movie is most interesting when he's involved. What's he going to do? What's he thinking? um I will say, though, I do think Tyreek Withers was very good in this. A lot of people are calling him like a blank slate and like a canvas that...
01:24:25
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we just put a lot on, but maybe it's because of his, again, his throwing motion, which is on point, his stature, his, his overall swagger. Uh, I think it did a lot better than people are saying. I almost picked him for our scream King, but then I really thought about it and was like, yeah, Wayne's Wayne's won the movie.
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01:25:27
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Yes. we Which we have recorded half of. Yeah. I think this actually released just prior to us starting the pod, but we both love the film so much that we're going back. we've We've recorded, like you said, most of this and we'll release it next Sunday.
01:25:42
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Yeah, we will have a special guest during our awards or ah category. Yeah, oh during the awards part of the of the podcast. So that'll be fun. But Trav, enjoy your time in my hometown.
01:25:53
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um Don't drink the Kool-Aid too much, okay? we you know Denver needs you. And just don't be a hero. Don't go in the water in the wedge, all right?
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right, point taken. ill I'll try my best. Awesome. Thank you guys for listening. We'll see you next week. Bye. Hello?
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