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The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It (2021)
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Sometimes you just have to lift up and celebrate murderers - Rick and Trav continue their deep dive into the Conjuring franchise in preparation for the release of Last Rites, by covering The Conjuring: The Devil Made Me Do It (2021). We chat about the switch to Michael Chaves at Director, dubious legal defense strategies, how far one can take "based on a true story", and waterbeds.
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Murder of Bruno Salls
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This is Ed Warren here with Lorraine. All right, let's get started.
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Residents of Brookfield were shocked this afternoon by the broad daylight murder of Bruno Salls. The
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court accepts the existence of God every time a witness swears to tell the truth. I think it's about time they accept the existence of the devil.
Pop Culture References and Movie Quotes
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Hey Trav. Yes. Wow. You're opening us up. What's what's going on Rick? Is that some chicken shit on your hand?
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No.
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It's a line from the movie. oh yeah You didn't. i thought you would have clocked that immediately. That is like stuck out to me. My hands are covered in chicken shit.
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Hey.
Admiration for John Noble
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Old Denethor. Old Denethor. Shout out to John Noble. um So you might know him as Denethor from Lord of the Rings. i know him from the TV series Fringe, which was one of my absolute favorite TV shows. What is
Discussion on 'Fringe' and 'The X-Files'
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fringes what is Fringe about? and I don't know. 2000s, early 2010s, maybe.
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it was It's horror adjacent. They're like paranormal investigators. but what's like the it's It's like the X-Files. It's really, really similar to the X-Files where they're investigating different paranormal cases and he's one of the leads in it.
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So he was fantastic in that really good in this movie too, but really missed seeing him, uh, chomp on some, you know, mushy berries like we see in, know, is it a, is it a is it a tomato in a return of the King that he's just like, how graphic that is. The sound is that's what won it. Sound design. I think just, um,
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Oh, sorry.
Podcast Updates and Movie News
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That's right. threw you off. You're usually the one who opens this up. Well, you, Rick, right before recording, you did ask if we could start sharing some movie news at the top of our pod.
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um We should also honestly probably share our social stuff at the top of our pod or more directly. If you are listening, have been listening. We would love if you would follow our podcast, either on Spotify, on Apple Podcasts, however you're listening.
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And if you like what we're saying, give us a five-star review. We're starting to get a few more in there, and we'd really appreciate that.
Excitement for 'Toxic Avenger'
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um But yeah, you texted me right before we started asking for some movie news. We should cover that.
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what do What do you got here coming down the pike or what's noteworthy? Yeah, I think for me, i mean, you mentioned Toxic Avenger and since neither of us have seen the original and I think we're both tangentially ah familiar with the importance of trauma when it comes to you know midnight movies and indie zeitgeists.
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That's just a new avenue I'm excited to explore. I mean, whether we cover the pot or not, I think it's worth mentioning that this movie got saved. ah It was on the shelf for a long time. Peter Dinklage stars in this.
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It has a huge cult following. And so it's finally being released. What, next
Indie Film 'Good Boy' Discussion
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week? Is that what we're looking at? This week. So I think it got an X rating. So it's supposed to be like over the top, gory, funny, slapstick horror.
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um So if if it is really good, I will make a point to see it. And maybe it's what we could cover after the fact, but we won't catch it during its release weekend. Yeah. um The other one that keeps coming up into our purview just because we are horror people, we're also dog people is Good Boy, um which was a indie that took six years to film because the owner cast his own dog.
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And apparently it's pretty like experimental in the sense that, you know, you're from the POV of a dog and and I've been been excited about it. You've been excited about it. But the I think we've both been surprised by the social buzz.
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lot of people discussing this movie. Yeah, people are excited. Which will be interesting, and you and I have discussed this, whether it's we want to cover it, is ah it sounds like there's a there's some Skinnerink vibes in the sense that Skinnerink was a bold choice to like kind of be a non-narrative and there's not much speaking. And I think something similar is happening here where you don't really have a lot of non-human characters. And so is the appetite going to be there for people to rush out?
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based on the novelty
Uncovered Movie: 'RIP Megan 2.0'
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of it. um mean, I think they'll be happy with anything over like 5 million. i mean, I don't think this movie was expecting much. And I think the it's not there's no big it's IFC and shutters behind it, which is great. But that's not typically your stalwarts of box office.
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We are intending to cover that one. It's opening week or opening release weekend, although we have RIP Megan 2.0. I know we promised that one multiple times and never actually got to that, which again, a great movie. I did watch it. It just really horror label on that one was so generous that a I figured it wasn't worth covering for the pod.
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That's not horror. Yeah.
Introduction to 'Conjuring 3'
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Well, speaking of not horror, I felt like, I mean, maybe I'm getting ahead of myself, but I feel like this movie tried to lean into action a bit like Yeah.
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Well, let's get into it. I'm ready. ah This is the Sunday Scaries. I'm Travis Telerik. I'm Ricky Townsend. Today we are covering The Conjuring, The Devil Made Me Do It, which is the the third film in the... ah What would you thought the true line of Conjuring movies, not including the spinoffs, and is the last film that was released prior to Last Rites, which is coming out next week, and will conclude our franchise series here.
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So this is our third Conjuring film. We've been binging these. Rick, how'd you feel about
Critique of Warren Portrayals
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this one? I, this is not a great movie. Okay. And i know we, this is, we've said it before. This is a pod that celebrates film.
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That's why we choose movies we like, but when we do new releases or franchises, we get, we could not our choice. You know, I cannot wait to talk about it. I think this movie is ripe for discussion.
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I think there's things that want to not just pick apart, but in the, but celebrate as well. But my my issue with it is not so much the storytelling itself. This just like really made me hate the Warrens.
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Yeah, I just think I just think especially the clip at the end when they're talking to some, you know, TV TV presenter. And they're just so confident in themselves. And I'm just watching them and like you're helping this guy try to get off of a murder charge by using hocus pocus.
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I was just like justice for Bono, dude. i was just trying to have a beer. Got a little rowdy and got killed. And now now we're all like sad for this person who was supposedly possessed. i don't think so.
Comparison with Previous 'Conjuring' Films
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I I feel you on the movie overall.
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We'll talk in production notes, but it was not Juan Helming this one anymore. But Michael Chavez, which we could talk about in a bit. With that, though, i I think this film also differs from the first two in a few key ways. One, the first two films was really one primary location. it's they're They're both haunted house films.
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This is not. This is more following, I'd say, the Warrens. They've become very much the key focal point that we're following with the Glatzel family and Arnie Johnson as like our secondary focus. where the The first two films was very much tying in just back and forth, tit for tat, with the affected family and the Warrens. And so this one's a lot more Warren heavy.
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I'm glad that you are teeing it up that way because maybe you're also tapping into why it's hard to talk about the movie because it is very sprawling and it's not located in one place and it's kind of hard to like ah grasp.
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and And I don't know how much of that was just a story that got away from them or like they just had a lot of ideas that changed because of production issues. But the movie is all over the place. I mean, I don't want to spoil anything yet till we till we get into our wards.
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But generally speaking, this starts as like an opening scene, very familiar to the first two films with a possession at the focus. Then we get into what I thought was going to be was a courtroom thriller, but that's quickly discarded for more of a detective type movie.
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um with a lot of like fetch quest i think you call it where the warrens are fetch kind of going about investigating you know the the movie pivots i feel like a few times where yeah and sometimes this is good where you don't know entirely where it's going but it does move you along through a lot of plot a lot of different locations and it shifts the focus a lot for like who who are we talking about here bringing other characters and the you know second act up to the third act.
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And so with that, it just feels unfamiliar relative to the first two films to me, where you're introduced, you know, in the first two to the effective family right away, you're introduced to the Warrens right away. They usually are married together in the films shortly or by the start of the second act.
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and And that is the focus. We're here. it It didn't quite feel that way. i think tonally it's a little different. and And honestly, it just wasn't as
James Wan's Influence on Scares
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scary for me. I think I said for the first two films,
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What Juan does best, and I think he did very well in both the first two Conjuring movies, is setting up these dread-inducing scenes and then scaring you. like he's He's a master at clinically putting together good scares.
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And with those stripped away, this movie just didn't feel as scary to me. And when you lose the scares, maybe i my eyes were more open to the actual plot and underlying events, which I didn't enjoy quite as much as the first two films.
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You didn't, mean, you didn't enjoy like a random old woman playing with her potions underground. And that's like our main villain. and kind of mention why I mean, and I'm okay with that. I like witch related movies, but again, it was a bit of a shift where she gets brought in like much later in the film as well.
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I think it does have a villain problem. I, if, and it feels like that's a growing theme. Like I thought the villains were kind of convoluted in the second movie. And like, now we have this woman running around. So Vashti was a great villain. Yeah, I know. know. I don want, I want to get back to strong kind of loses its way.
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Like two works, despite not having a great villain situation. This one stumbles probably because of it. Anyways, I guess what I'm struggling with, and maybe I'm trying to dance around it because i don't want to either be too negative or save this for later. But as far as flow, I just got to say it. So then maybe you can help me unpack why I'm feeling this way. But.
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While watching
Themes and Moral Questions
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this and seeing them try to insert their religion into a, what should be a ah neutral ground of law. This dude killed a guy who just had a drinking problem and then he's trying to blame it on demons.
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Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you that at the end of the day, this film is really celebrating Arnie Johnson, who is a real person. And like you said, was a convicted, murderer, manslaughter.
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Man's laughter. and was initially sentenced to 10 to 20 years, ended up doing only five, but it it really portrays him in a light which you don't see in many movies where a killer is celebrated to this degree and made as the protagonist. And so it almost a hero like he sacrificed.
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He sacrificed him, ah his own sanity and and well being for his um fiance's or girlfriend's younger brother who did that kid not look like a spitting image of like a little Stephen King to you. Oh, David. Oh, I have a lot to say about David with casting stuff too. Yeah, cute kid.
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Not necessarily that creepy. I know we've done creepy. No thanks before. he He wouldn't rank that high. They they could have dialed it up, but he was too cute. He was too cute to be creepy. Do you think that we are struggling to to grapple with a first movie that we both just generally did not like and have to talk about on a podcast?
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Yeah, I think... It's hard and there's the law it is hard it is hard it is hard. This is harder for me than I thought it would be. Yeah, and there's there's some good parts. i at i' know I've seen to say are worse horror phobes. That's the horror. But I'm talking about as your role as somebody who's got to talk about it in for an hour and a half.
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do Do you find it a different exercise? because I still have plenty to say. But yes, it it is maybe the points I'm reaching for or want to highlight are a little different than films that I'm just gushing over because I like them so much.
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But again, horror is a fun genre where you you kiss a lot of frogs to find the princesses. Like I've seen plenty of horrible horror films before. And this isn't that. It's just the pedigree of the prior Conjuring films, I realized I do like a lot. And so this was a bit of a letdown in the franchise.
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Let's get into the plot synopsis. I actually have a lot I want to say production wise. And if we have more thoughts to layer in there, let's do it. But some of this, I think will kind of revolve around how this film was made and what was going on here.
Box Office Success Despite Reviews
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The logline of this film, Travis, is paranormal investigators Ed and Lorraine Warren take on one of the most sensational cases of their careers after a cop stumbles upon dazed and bloodied young man walking down the road.
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Accused of murder, the suspect claims demonic possession as his defense, forcing the Warrens into a supernatural inquiry unlike anything they've ever seen before. Mm-hmm. This is a 1980s set film as well, where the first two were set in the 70s, and they do a good job kind of catching up to the times there.
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At least in the music, they're they're picking some great tunes there. You had Eddie Money, Blondie, Van Morrison. Even if I'm not a huge fan of the movie, I thought that i thought the needle drops were pretty great.
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Yeah, they've gotten progressively better on the music. and no No London Calling, thankfully.
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And so we picked the conjuring franchise mainly with last rights coming out next week, but we also picked it because it's the highest grossing horror franchise of all time. I'm contractually required to bring this up. I didn't know that once per episode for us, and ah but um it's, this is a very good example this film of critically. It was received a lot less well than the first two. We are not alone and not liking as much as the first two.
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However, It still made a lot of money and it shows that, you know, you get the engine revving for these large franchises and you can survive 66 million, um, domestic box office, 206 million worldwide.
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Um, that, that put in the top 20. films released in 2021 for domestic box offices, at least. in some And so know that year plagued by still the pandemic, but this was a high grossing film.
COVID-19 Impact on Production
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It was a financial success. I think the budget was only $39 million. dollars So they made that over five times over on the worldwide box office.
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So if this is released in 21, it was part of Project Popcorn. um What is Project Popcorn? That was the controversial decision by Warner Brothers Media, Warner Brothers Discovery 2, without consulting the filmmakers of the film slate of most of 2021, which included Christopher Nolan, Denis Villeneuve with the Dune movies. with Oh, is that what happened to Tenet?
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Tenet, yeah. Yeah. they release the films day and date with the streaming um options. So you cut these movies at the knees, really limited what they're able to make.
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And so the fact it made that much despite being on HBO Max for a month at the same time, pretty damn impressive. Yeah, it did it did not do as well as the first two, but it's still I mean, it made if you make over five times your budget worldwide, that that's going to be a success. And it is the reason why they could keep making these films while we're getting another one next year or next week.
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What do you think this movie is about, Trav? what like When you watch this, like why do you think they made it? It was a cash cow. We've already... Well, not that. i mean like just pri check There's got to be some inspiration here of like what what the thematic undertones are. That's what I was trying to grapple with.
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grapple with is like if you, if you were to ask the director a Q and a or something, he's going to have an answer for like what this movie means to him. And like, as somebody who watches a lot of horror films, a lot of good, a lot of bad, what do you think this was trying to get at?
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I mean, there's the text, right? The text is, this is just another case file. And this is the plot, but like, is it, is it elements of, ah of the opposite of faith? Is it like, well one thing I do like here is what I just mentioned where you're seeing an aging Ed and Lorraine Warren and you're, you are diving more into their relationship. And in the prior films, you know, when,
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there's the climax at the end. You have to rely on Ed for some more of the physical things or getting in there first. This one, you see Lorraine taking the reins a bit more. And I think it's just kind of. Yeah. you're showing that And highlighting their relationship. I mean, again, separating the real life Warrens from the Warrens portrayed in the film, like the ones portrayed in the film is movie relationship. you get the flashbacks to when they've met.
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um Those are included in this film. And it it sets up like at the end of the day, like, their work is hard and it is their love that truly it's sappy theme, right?
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But that is what saves them at the end. Getting, i guess we're about to dive head on to spoilers. So in case I hit this now, but literally like Ed gets possessed at the end and it's only because Lorraine's love that he's able to pull himself out of it. And so,
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You know, yeah that's, that's what I'm saying. yeah I don't go much deeper than that. I guess that is the saving grace of these movies is that, uh, they are consistent in revolving the, um, no pun intended, but spiritual thrust of the film around their, their relationship.
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Like it starts and ends with them every time we are, it's, And you know what's cool is like at this point, at least, Trav, we're three movies in, there hasn't really been a huge rift between them.
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Like they have little squabbles here and there, but like they are united front. Yeah, and the conflict is never interpersonal between them. And I like that. I like that we don't always have to. ah Yeah, I told you and Anna to watch. um Are you there, God? It's me, Margaret. And it's the same thing what you just said.
Family Dynamics in 'Conjuring 3'
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that the, ah the conflicts are external and that the family is intact and they are strong. Kind of like poltergeist too. They are, the family's fine. It's what they're up going up against.
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Same thing here. I like that they're united front because so often I think we can fetishize the destruction, the deterioration of relationships and marriages and, divorce and abandonment and like, but that's all real. And that's what those are stories worth telling.
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it is refreshing to get movies that are, you have a strong couple or a strong family unit and it's them against the world versus the world, breaking them apart. Yeah, I i do. How's that for me trying to find some positivity here? I like that. And I think it is a positive note. And I agree. A lot of films, you know, have not that's trite, but like, you know, the, the best friends of the married couple have a deep interpersonal conflict. It's only when they could come together at the end, can they conquer or whatever.
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The obstacle was, and we don't need that hair. So I like that. Let's talk production notes.
Critique of Michael Chavez's Direction
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This was the first Conjuring film that James Wan did not direct. So he's still, like we mentioned, helping with story.
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He is still involved as a producer. Yeah, it's pretty normal. I mean, most horror directors drop out of the first. um Yeah. And he other projects, other films he's working on at the same time. He's working on Malignant. He was also producer for Mortal Kombat. But they end up bringing in Michael Chavez to direct this.
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who previously had directed one other film, La Lorena, which is Conjuring Tangential. i Yeah, it I don't understand. Sometimes it's brought up as part of the Conjuring universe. Sometimes it's not. I think it is somewhat related. Having not seen it, I can't give more detail there.
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But that was really it. He doesn't have much of a history before that other than like very, very short. We're talking like 10 minutes or less short films that he had made a few horror films. he's But he's a he's a purist. hes the the only films he has The only feature films he's directed are all Conjuring and related.
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Well, we prepare for Last Rites. Chavez is coming back to direct that as well. So i yeah I'm a bit torn about it. Again, just being brutally honest because i did not like this film as much as the prior two Conjuring installments. So it does lower my expectations a bit for Last Rites.
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I've not seen any of his other films, but Typically, they're not getting the highest marks from critical reception either. so I'm hoping, you know, as he continues to develop his directorial skill set and works with these high performers like James Wan,
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um we see some improvement there. We did not mention the screenwriters of the four of the previous movies. We keep giving Juan all these accolades. So the first was written by Chad Hayes and Carrie W. Hayes.
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um And they're given story credits and based on characters credits on the rest of the movies. ah And then Conjuring 2, as we mentioned, um was ah James Wan also contributed the screenplay, but another one by Chad Hayes, Carrie W. Hayes.
00:21:12
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And then David Leslie Johnson, who you might know from The Wrath of Titans, Travis, or perhaps... have not seen any of the Titans movies. Perhaps films from the DC Extended Universe, such as Aquaman and the sequel Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom by John Swan. That's one, Okay. one the ones, guys. And he's also one of the writers on this one, David Leslie Johnson, with...
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Juan's doing story, which I mean, I generally understand story to be more big picture writing to be actually penning the screenplay. Is that a correct take on it? Yeah, it's usually a contractual agreement because the person with the story idea ah either approached the studio or approached the filmmakers and whether they didn't want to write the script or they couldn't wiggle their way into the room. In this case, Juan, I'm sure just had other things to do.
00:21:58
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But ah given he cares about the property and has a financial stake and everything, I believe there's a bit of um reporting to one and and he has some say in the story and stuff. So but yeah, hes he's not sending drafts back and forth.
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Yeah. um but Yeah. i just want to make sure I just felt bad for not mentioning the haze last two episodes, ah but they yeah, they contributors.
Anticipation for Future 'Conjuring' Films
00:22:21
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Right. So you're about Chavez and you're basically saying that we've experienced the Chavez ah way and now we are we have a week to see if he can do something different maybe with last rights.
00:22:34
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Um, but I mean, you looked at the box office tracking it, there's still interest. It's, it's, it's looking to be what 30 to 40 million opening domestically. Yeah. 35 to 40. So it's a narrower window on the higher side there, which would be, you know, just under what weapons open to if it actually hits that.
00:22:51
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Um, so yeah, there, there is some, I'm sure people will still see it. I'm sure it'll still sell a lot of tickets. I'm just hoping that I enjoy it. But yeah, talking about, the pandemic and its relation to the film's production. So most of the movie was shot 2019 before the pandemic, and this was supposed to be a 2020 release.
00:23:08
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There were some reshoots scheduled for early April, but a lot of those, as you can imagine, got completely tabled or outright just cut because, uh, that's when we were in the thick of the, the early onset of the pandemic
Real-Life Glatzel Case Discussion
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care. So they had to work around that.
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I thought, um, again, an interview with Chavez again, is it interesting. There is a scene in the film where Arnie Johnson, he has now been ah brought into custody. He's either in a prison, maybe a mental institution.
00:23:36
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They have him doing like janitorial duties and he gets overcome by the the demon now haunting him. I guess not fully possessing him at this instance, but he sees a old man kind humming a tune in a rocking chair and a chair sitting near him, almost taunting him.
00:23:55
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And that is Davis Osborne, who is supposed to be one of the central antagonists for this film. They were going to have him kind of paired up with the witch, so to speak, in this movie. um But for timing purposes, like...
00:24:07
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It just didn't work out. So they they weren't able to really incorporate anything other than that one scene, which it is funny thinking about that. You see a few people pop up in that asylum haunting Arnie that you never see for the rest of the movie.
00:24:19
Speaker
Yeah, i was wondering what, like, we we spent a lot of time with him in that one scene. Yeah, you see a few spookies who don't show up again. So you see some elements like that. it was reported that, again, um I was giving high praise for John Noble, who I liked from his role in Fringe.
00:24:34
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But ah John Noble's role actually had to get expanded and they they did do some reshoots there to bring him more centrally into the film. So they have to adapt because of the pandemic. So again, that might be leaning on this a bit for how it changed the film's production, having to grapple with that.
00:24:50
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And they ultimately pushed it back a year on release to 2021 because of it um so let's talk about the case file a bit then um especially because i think i highlighted in the first conjuring film we focused on the parent family with a little teaser at the beginning for the annabelle doll those are both real warren cases now a lot of what you say in their case files has been highly fibber fabricated but those are their case files It was interesting because in the second conjuring film, we start with the Amityville horror, which is the most probably popular or popularized Warren case file.
00:25:27
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And then it goes into the Enfield poltergeist, which the Warrens were very briefly involved in, but it's funny to think that that was the meat and potatoes of the second conjuring film where, you know, in real life, they were not involved in that case at all. They were there for less than 24 hours. So they,
00:25:43
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pick some creative liberties in the film to say, Hey, we're, we're just going to the Warrens more closely to this case, even though it wasn't their case. Um, this film is super interesting. The third one, because it opens with the Glatzel possession, which is one of their case files.
00:25:58
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I wanted to text you during that part. Cause so I am, I think I mentioned maybe another pod, but I'm, ah was house sitting for my best friend and his family. And, ah now they are back. And because of some, uh,
00:26:11
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an employment opportunity I'm waiting to hear back on. i haven't moved out yet because I don't know if I'm going to apartment or going to Montana. So I'm still here. And I've thought about you a lot, actually, because i I am so in love with my goddaughter, Eleanor.
00:26:22
Speaker
She turns four in two days. like We have a routine, like play with Uncle Ricky in the morning, and then I do my work, and then she gets back, and i we we go to the park with the dogs. and ah But one thing I don't have to do is I don't have to put Eleanor to sleep.
00:26:39
Speaker
And I am an eyewitness of when this has to happen. And so when this scene started and like they're trying to put David on the table and he's screaming and stuff, I was like, is this Travis trying to put his kids to sleep? Because I know watching Eleanor.
00:26:53
Speaker
Very relatable. ah Yeah, we we have a few tough nights. Most nights aren't like that, but that definitely comes up. It's funny. I wasn't thinking about that at the time, but now that you bring it up, that is very representative those Super Wars He was anything he could not to lay down. Yeah.
00:27:08
Speaker
It is important to note the Glatzel case was one of the real case files. Again, their case files were also likely fabrications what happened. In this case, though, um with the Glatzel family, this was actually turned into a book called The Devil in Connecticut.
00:27:21
Speaker
That's worth mentioning that the author, Gerald Brittle, was hired by the Warrens. So this isn't necessarily an independent third-party document of capturing this. don't say. And Brittle's actually on the record saying the Warrens approached him when they hired him saying, hey, you need to make this scary because that sells.
00:27:39
Speaker
Yeah. so they heavily influenced, I think, that the way they wanted Brittle to write this book for them. Genius business people, dude. Genius. And so David, the son, was the one who was possessed, just like the film portrays, or again, allegedly possessed.
00:27:53
Speaker
And apparently Arnie does, like in the act of his exorcism, say, like invites the devil or invites the demon into him. Arnie Johnson and his girlfriend, Debbie Glatzel, after the David exorcism move in and Bruno in the movie, but real name is Bono.
00:28:13
Speaker
Alan Bono. No way it's Bono, right? Like the singer, it has to be Bono, I feel like. I don't think we're there's zero way we're going to find out how to pronounce Alan Bono's name. Yeah, I'll call him Bono for the for the sake of the pod. But yeah, they move in with Alan Bono. He was their landlord.
00:28:29
Speaker
He seemed like a fun hang. I'm not going to lie. Well, I mean, so this is one where maybe in the movie they portrayed him more positively. It sounds like he was getting pretty handy. And that's what led to the altercation.
00:28:41
Speaker
where Arnie ultimately kills him. And, right. But, but that, that Mary, so he was trying to dance with Mary and holding her back, which is, Hey, not cool Bono lay off the Papsula ribbon and just hang for a bit. But she ran to the car.
00:28:56
Speaker
And it was only then that she was out of danger. And then Bono and our boy Arnie are are confronting each other. And to me, this just screams like a drunken fight that went wrong. And the guy's using demonic possession as a way to get out of it.
00:29:12
Speaker
The first ever case going to court where he was accused of murder. And with the Warren's help and involvement, they used the Devil Made Me Do It defense, which is the first time in the US court system someone one has tried to use that defense.
00:29:26
Speaker
i I also tried to beat Usain Bolt 100 meter time, but I didn't. What is the point? Like, okay, they tried to do that, but the the the the judge like just rejected it outright, right? I mean, they brought to the don't know how quickly it got rejected, but yes, that defense was entirely dismissed and they ended up pivoting. The defense pivoted and took a plea essentially to get it from murder to manslaughter.
00:29:51
Speaker
I'm not putting this from best quotes, but it's ah it's a quote that... ah that is related to the moment you just mentioned that I want to mention when the lawyer comes out and she's talking to Warren's and she's basically explained the stakes of like, Hey, this kid, they're going for the death penalty. Okay.
Warrens' Influence and Ethical Concerns
00:30:08
Speaker
This kid is going to live or die based on what you find.
00:30:12
Speaker
And then Ed Warren goes, we won't let him down. And then she walks away and he goes to Lorraine. He's like, so what now? Like, what do we do I'm in my wheelchair. I'm confused. I've got like five finger punch death in the chest by some kid looks like Stephen King. He's like everywhere. i have so many questions.
00:30:30
Speaker
And so it's, it's just, I don't, we're going in circles with that, but the more we say it, it's like, that's, that's clear to me. And then the Warrens are like, I don't give a shit. Like it'll make money. um i think the Warrens,
00:30:42
Speaker
influenced him to use that defense. And this is more where it gets into my own opinion. version oh But that's why this is one of the, I truly don't think they're good people. I should say between that. Even though I'm a bit harsher about this than you are for that defense, it seems like you share my belief in that, like this movie, it's like they're trying to contort facts to help somebody to get off a murder charge. Yeah, yeah. Like you said, even in the movie, the attorney's like, do you really want the entire case to hinge on this defense that the devil made him do it? And they're like, yes, we won't let you down.
00:31:12
Speaker
And then they do let him down and he gets five years for it. So he he's lucky that he did pivot and in his defense and and ultimately was able to put it down. And so that is based at least on their case files.
00:31:23
Speaker
And that's kind of where we leave even the Warren's case files, which again are highly fabricated. And the rest of the movie, really till the very closing scene, this is... This is all just made for the sake of the film. There's, um you know, they're bringing in people like Father Kastner, who's John Noble. They're bringing in witches.
00:31:42
Speaker
They're bringing in a case that I had to look it up because i was like oh, this must be another one of their case files. But Jessica Strong, um I think, stabbing her friend Katie Lincoln 22 times.
00:31:53
Speaker
that That didn't happen in either. at all. And so, um, but tra what you this movie but they've proven the existence of the demonic hundreds of times, as they say. And I think that's why it's important again to talk about like, you have to separate the film for the ones themselves because the majority of this movie is stuff that the Warrens never even claimed happened.
00:32:14
Speaker
This is just one story boarding with the writers and like, that's what what you just said. with cinema The fact that you have to separate those is probably what I have an issue with this movie. The movie is so oppressive and trying to make it seem real that I find it just jarring. And and I was just like, and such a loose argument. Somebody was like, you can't bring the existence of the devil into the court. And then Ed makes some smarmy remark like,
00:32:37
Speaker
The court accepts the existence of God. Every time somebody swears to tell the truth in court, it's now about time to accept the evidence of the devil. And I was like, is that a gotcha? and This is Charlie Kirk moment here. Yeah. and it I mean, yes, they, they do a lot of dressing up of their defense. And honestly, that's kind of the funny part of the film. It is. It is.
00:32:59
Speaker
Is that going back to your point, This defense, which the Warrens were involved in suggesting, hey, let's plead this, that the devil made you do this. It was dismissed. It was dismissed fairly quickly.
00:33:10
Speaker
He was convicted. And so the movie is just like an hour of like, well, what could the Warrens have done to help prove his case? Which is even silly. like Even for the sake of the film, it kind of ends on, you know, the night show Arnie right before the the judge comes out with the verdict.
00:33:27
Speaker
And it's like, and everything they did, even that was fictionalized for this film, didn't work. He he still got it. I do wonder, trav I don't know if your production notes, if you found this or not, but I don't believe they ever went for the death penalty.
00:33:38
Speaker
and think they included that here to fluff it up. Right. Yeah. Maybe we're just making it seem like they got a win. I don't know if they initially went for the death penalty to your point, but they were going for like, you know, the heightened murder charges. They did plead it down to manslaughter. So they were able to take a lesser sentence.
00:33:54
Speaker
Um, it, it's just kind of silly. It's one of those, like, it's not the destination. It's the ride type films because ultimately they were unsuccessful. and substantiated. I'm to take the writing. and that That's what all the that's what all the film's about is just how they got there trying to substantiate that the devil made them do this.
00:34:12
Speaker
It is worth noting, though, in all of this and in the book deal that the Warrens got for this, the Glatzels are on record saying that for the rights to this book that they then sold, they were given forty five hundred dollars.
00:34:26
Speaker
Now, this is back in the early 80s. So maybe today's dollars, that's like closer to like 50 to 20 grand. where the Warrens made over 80 grand, oh just the book rights. That's even before the Warren Estates deal with um Juan for whatever they're getting paid for these films.
00:34:40
Speaker
And so it's another good example of where, and you asked in earlier episodes, like, do people die in these case files? Like someone does end up dying as a result of their influence on them.
00:34:52
Speaker
The people they're quote unquote helping aren't making much of the proceeds. It's really the Warrens benefiting from selling these book rides selling the movie rights down the road where it truly is a grift. So I just wanted to actually bring up what the real case was and kind of what happened there because so much of this movie is is just Chavez and Juan creating, you know, a lot of things that never were even documented by the Warrens to fill two hours the run time.
00:35:19
Speaker
And look, i I get it. I mean, on that note, why... Our boy drew who has dude his drip game his shirts that drew wears is drew their assistant. Yes. Yes. The guy is styling like wherever he goes.
00:35:35
Speaker
The homeboy also has a camera wherever he goes. And how come anytime there's an actual exorcism? We aren't capturing these things on camera.
COVID-19 and Narrative Divergence
00:35:41
Speaker
Yeah. Why is why is little Stephen King, David boy like snarling all around, but we don't see him bending his back around. It's just like very convenient that they can show us these tape or play these tapes for us. He's in the film, but can't ever see it.
00:35:55
Speaker
it's It's a good point. Yeah. And the movies he's always depicted have a camera on hand and tried to catch up in real life. they They didn't have much video evidence. Um, so that's, that's mainly for production notes. I mean, casting stuff. I think we talked about John noble already. We've talked about Patrick Wilson, Vera Farmiga.
00:36:12
Speaker
Um, the, the boy who you've brought up a few times is Julian Hilliard, who, in addition to being in this film, being the possessed David around the same time, like within a few years, he had a great horror run because he was in my guy, Mike Flanagan's the haunting a hell house as a young child in that.
00:36:28
Speaker
But then a movie I coincidentally just watched in the last week. He was in a color out of space. Oh, okay. but nicholas c Yeah. God, that movie's great. I highly recommend.
00:36:39
Speaker
Um, I feel like, I feel like a kindred spirit with him. Um, cause in the opening scene, the boils, the yellow boils, he gets on his neck looked very much like the boils I had in my lens. Yeah. The last few weeks I was like, Oh man, are you trying to, you want 30 seconds rick for like, okay. i I just want to honor my notes. I wrote my boils exclamation point and that's it.
00:37:00
Speaker
All right. All right. Well, that's, that's all I had. um The rest of the cast, I was not as familiar with. I don't know anyone stood out to you or is worth going out or if there's other products. I couldn't figure out a category to fit this into. This is not a criticism, but I did feel like,
00:37:15
Speaker
Vera Farmiga and Patrick Wilson were separate a lot more in this movie. I know we go into their journeys, but like they take a lot of solo trips, a lot of places and they really like Ed Warren is ah kind of a liability in this movie.
00:37:30
Speaker
Like he is not doing well. He's, he's got injuries galore. and mean He should have been put on the, the pup list. Honestly, i just think to sit, sit this one out. Trying to tease out some positives.
00:37:42
Speaker
I do like that. They are showing the Warren's age Um, and they're, they're doing this, you know, more so than Patrick Wilson, Vera Farmiga actually aged, they still look fantastic, but the movie does a good job showing like, Hey, time has passed. This is taking a toll at Warren looks a little heavier set, having heart issues.
00:37:58
Speaker
Um, you know, Lorraine Warren, she's wearing her hair up. You're starting to see more grays. Like they, they did a good job cosmetically to show. the the physical toll and just normal passage of time. Like this gets harder to do when you get older.
00:38:10
Speaker
um And it also does, you know, provide some unique parts of the movie where like Lorraine has to do stuff that Ed had done in the first two movies, right? and He was, like you said, more of a liability here.
00:38:21
Speaker
um Hey, one casting thing I completely forgot. Steve Coulter, who plays our guy, Father Gordon reprises his role here. So he's now been in all three films. Dude, he was. and So is Drew, but very Nick Fury.
00:38:33
Speaker
Yes. He's like, I know a guy. He's the guy. He literally is like the start of this film. He's got an expert. Knocked unconscious and he's out of it for the rest of the rest of the movie. A little overlap with the highlight, but I'll just mention it since your mentioned his name.
00:38:46
Speaker
Did you like the nod to the exorcist? when Yes. Oh, 100% put that as a winner. Huge highlight. yeah Let's just call it out now. So he Father Gordon arrives at the home in the exorcism scene.
00:38:59
Speaker
at the very start of the movie and he shows up and it's night and there's mist swirling about and the shot is from behind him framing the home and there's light highlighting like right in front the home and it is straight out of the exorcist. I mean it's to a point where it's like and there's no homage it's just it is what it is. it's just I don't know about that. See I don't like to be picky here and because we're picky on a movie we don't like as much say that that's not being attributed to it. Like I i think that is trying to pay fan service to people like the exorcist. These are exorcism movies.
00:39:29
Speaker
I like trying to recreate that shot. I didn't hate it. I thought it was I you're coming in. You're coming in a little too based here, man. You got to be a little more positive. I am going to be me, Trav. Okay. I can only be me. Okay. This is how I feel.
00:39:42
Speaker
I thought it was a lazy. kiss ah It's the poster of the movie. It's Exorcist. We've seen a zillion times. It's a very, very line. It is much lesser film. It's a very great line to draw between when you celebrate a director for paying homage to something versus like, oh, that was just a tacky attempt at highlighting a historical film. I'm glad i'm glad for ah whoever the actor was. He got to be Max von Saito for a second.
00:40:07
Speaker
Yeah, Steve Coulter, our father's Ordon. But yes, I did pick that. i mean, it was heavy handed, but yeah, picked it up right away. One big production note I completely forgot to mention with the case file.
00:40:18
Speaker
wow Again, with the Glatzel family. So David was showing as a young boy some obscure signs and it might have just been a very rebellious spirit. I don't think I buy into he was possessed.
00:40:28
Speaker
It came to light after the fact that the mom was kind of discreetly slipping them all sleeping pills. What? They've been like poisoning them and this might have been some of the side effects from them. so Are you serious? Yeah, serious.
00:40:40
Speaker
So that might explain some of his weird behavior. I mean, not only that, I mean, can we just remember that the the murder of this of again, justice for
Scare Effectiveness in 'Conjuring 3'
00:40:50
Speaker
Bono? I don't want us to forget about or Bruno in the movie.
00:40:53
Speaker
That murder happened like several months after this David incident. Like this not like it happened the same night. Yes. Where I think it happened five months after. So it's just like I had a bad night a few months ago and demons are lingering. i don't know.
00:41:07
Speaker
But all right. Scarameter. Yeah, go for it. What is what is your scurometer here? So I hate i had Conjuring 3 at a 5. Okay, I had it at a 6. Okay, so pretty close there.
00:41:19
Speaker
um I think I mentioned at the top, but it without Juan directing, I feel like they try to have a lot of scary moments here, but the payoff just isn't nearly as great. You were left wanting? Wanting, yeah.
00:41:33
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. All right. Cool. So you're at a six for this one. I'm at a five. Yeah. All right. Well, let's go to our awards. Let's go to highlights. Rick, do you have a highlight scene that you wanted to start with?
00:41:47
Speaker
um I was a bit harsh on the exorcist nod. I apologize. it Even if I think it didn't take much effort, it's still cool he did it. Hey, look at us.
00:41:59
Speaker
Look at us. There's some growth here on the podcast. I'm loving this i think you're is mad at the warrens and i'm taking it out. yeah And I'm mad at, I'm mad at, the I'm mad a Christian nationalists in general, trying to take over the country. That's probably bubbling on the surface, forcing 10 commandments and schools and stuff.
00:42:13
Speaker
Um, okay. i as far as a highlight goes, um, I did find the the goose chase but treasure hunt of like where these other girls might be. It's pretty interesting. i mentioned the FBI stuff.
00:42:30
Speaker
It was a it was it was a little different. um There was a big pivot, I feel like, from the original films, like of a sudden. It took me somewhere. Really different setting. Yep. Yeah, it took me somewhere. it It got me out of my like, where is this going? it expanded things, you know. um I still missed being in London at Christmas time. I feel like Conjuring 2 going to be a comfort movie for me in the future, by the way. i keep thinking about that movie. I really like that movie.
00:42:52
Speaker
Yes. The more I think about it. Yes, me too. ah are are we ah Are you now like... Because I know you were waffling on if you liked it more than the first. And I think I'm pretty much settled on I do like it more than the first. I i think I put it on my list of sequels that are as good as or better than the original.
00:43:08
Speaker
And i I use that so that I don't have to definitively say if I liked it better, but it's right up there with the first movie. I want to revisit that family. like I want to be the Elvis acoustic guitar and stuff.
00:43:19
Speaker
ah The Hodgson's. um But yeah, i so I guess a highlight just being the...
Lorraine Warren's Abilities
00:43:25
Speaker
the errand, and which just had some funny moments too, which he kind of like the police chief tries to test her knowledge of which knife. That's that. That's my highlight. I'm glad that ended up yeah because there's the scene in the police station where this detective now with a completely made up case, but this ah Jessica strong case is saying one of these knives of the murder weapon. If you really have supernatural or paranormal abilities,
00:43:49
Speaker
You need to tell me which one because I can give you the real one next to two others that just took out of the evidence locker. And and Patrick Wilson and Warren saying, hey, this isn't some like circus act.
00:44:01
Speaker
Don't force my wife to do this. And Lorraine immediately says It was this one everyone's wowed and like, wait, maybe she's the real deal. And then we cut to them driving in a car with suspicious minds playing by Elvis, which is my favorite Elvis Presley song. And now you can see he's gaining respect for her and even doubles down on that because they're like trying to get out to the site where the murder happened.
00:44:22
Speaker
And she tells the detective like, yeah, by the way, that was your turn back there. You just passed it. And so it's really corny. It paints the Warrens in a very, very positive light. Like, you know, if they had to fabricate the one moment in the movie to show like, no, they're the real deal. It's funny that it wasn't even from one of their case files. It was just like some inserted scene.
00:44:42
Speaker
But it's fun. Like if I can, again, wall off how I really think of the Warrens. Which you have to, as you said. The fun part of the scene. And like, I love that. That's when you have a ah needle drop, like music start playing and they're like oh shit.
00:44:55
Speaker
And that's what you kind of get with Lorraine Warren here, where it's cheesy, but damn, yeah yeah it gets me. It's fun. Yeah. At that point, you're just, you're playing along with the movie. You kind of have to. Yeah. So that's kind of, it's the fun part of the movie and it's different than the first two. And so that's my highlight as well. I'm glad you got it up.
00:45:11
Speaker
All right. The ah Ben Gardner jump scare. What'd you have? I thought this was a, um probably, I think is the second best jump scare in the franchise, honestly, so far. Wow. Even though we're saying this is a far less scary movie. It is. It has its moments, you know?
00:45:27
Speaker
Armoire from the first one is still the goat. And I'm trying to use armoire more travesty. Yeshiva. Yeah. But I think- Might have been wardrobe, but- Who knows?
00:45:38
Speaker
So in this one, this is this is the same scene that you mentioned where the actor who was going to be the main villain, he's talking to Arnie in the hospital. This is Davis Osborne. This is the man with long hair while Arnie incarcerated. don't think- but Maybe it's a mental hospital. I don't know.
00:45:55
Speaker
But it's that. yeah Yeah, he's in a bed. Yeah, it looks like there's medical ah signage and professionals, but he's kind of backing into a corner, freaked out by Osborne's character.
Notable Jump Scare with Arnie
00:46:06
Speaker
And then out of nowhere, its it doesn't, it's not telegraphed. It's really great.
00:46:09
Speaker
A string haired, like black string haired woman with white eyes just like grabs him from behind. And it just has this shook face and like It goes back to the I don't know what it is. I'm trying to think about this, but like the ring does this conjuring one does this bring her back. There is something just inherently scarier about like a a a woman, like specifically a female with long hair and like a gown dripping wet.
00:46:41
Speaker
There is just something like if there's decay there. And i don't know if it's because of the hair situation or because it's long hair and a dress. There's just like more to work with and it's just mysterious. And like you get lost in it.
00:46:54
Speaker
And that just encapsulated what, like ah scary image that I yeah just resonate with. yeah it It was a big, big jump scare. And I, Yeah, I jumped. You grabbed your jump scare right before we started recording to remind me of it. And I'm going side with you because I honestly don't think there was another impactful jump scare. There's a few attempts throughout the rest of the film. That that was it, I think, for me. I thought.
00:47:15
Speaker
I thought you would have picked, um and maybe this is going to another category, but Bruno's death ah when he like scrambles through the ground or are you just kind of expecting that? Yeah.
00:47:26
Speaker
Okay. I wasn't sure. i I didn't love the set piece where, you know it's kind of showing it through the POV point of view of Arnie. And so like when Arnie sees him, Arnie seeing a devil or a demon and,
00:47:39
Speaker
Yeah, it was okay. It was okay. Yeah, very hazy. um All right, Cantaloupe Award. Yes, I'm going to clarify what it is again, even though you hate me being redundant. When are we to not? Just tell me. Well, if this is the first time listening to the pod, I just want to let you know, this is the hardest to watch scene. Watch the gaps in your fingers. Do the rewatchables do this every time when they say the Dion Waiters Award? I'll eventually become self-confident enough maybe where I can let it go. Guys, see, listen to us more so Trav can be confident in you. Today is not that bad.
00:48:09
Speaker
um Yeah, so my cantaloupe award, um this would have been the... When Arnie gets possessed in early stages, he's back in the glass hole home.
00:48:22
Speaker
he can start to tell something is wrong with him i think there was maybe a minor jump scare right before this but then he sees what looks like this infested hole on the wall like almost a bug's nest or something and he starts staring at it he gets entranced and he goes up right up to it and puts his eye right up to the hole and i was very worried that some bug or some knife or something was going to come through and impale him it is a good misdirection and ultimately results in Nothing happening him. You got Chavez'd, bro. yeah Exactly. But um yes, that was that was hard for me to watch. It looked nasty, and I was just ready for so something gross and horrible to happen to that Well, we have in in our in the 13 films we've done now, there there has been some decent eye damage, so I don't blame you for yeah expecting that.
00:49:06
Speaker
Some eye gouges, which we still haven't answered how an eye gouge can kill you, but maybe one movie will answer that for us eventually. Yeah, I mean, we speculate You go deep enough to the brain and you can poke around. Not yours, though. Yeah. Not that headcanon. I'm protected. Exactly.
00:49:20
Speaker
um What was your cantaloupe award? ah You could group these into several different scenes. um I don't like bones crunching and contorting and all that. And so whether it's David in the beginning or Arnie when he's levitating or the end where this Ilsa woman, yeah colta the the occultist, which it looks like a pilgrim ah is like,
00:49:43
Speaker
just her whole back is twisting and like I just I was there was a lot of body contortion in this movie, which was a little interesting too much. i I had it as a loser, but I'll just bring it up now because like one body contortion is creepy. But when every character, like you said, is facing somebody contortion, it's like, OK, I get it. Like and maybe that's maybe that is why i was a bit harsh on the Exorcist homage part, because I think what the Exorcist does so great is that it is, there are subtle moments in that movie.
00:50:15
Speaker
There are moments that allude to things that they don't lean into in a cartoonish way at all, but then randomly they will, you'll have green vomit. yeah head head throughout You'll have a head spinning, yeah but the placement and frequency of that is really tactfully done in a way that it, each time it happens, it's, ah it's,
00:50:33
Speaker
it works. Whereas in this one, I felt a little gratuitous. um But on that note, Trav, you watched Exorcist 3, which is a movie that I've been trying to see for years.
Exorcist III as a Surprising Sequel
00:50:44
Speaker
I always hear about it as like ah one of those randomly good later sequels um so much that a lot of people just skip her her ah Heretic. Sorry. the secondentary Yeah, they skipped two.
00:50:55
Speaker
um You got to see it like a few days ago. what did What did you think? I just keep hearing amazing things. i I'm trying to crushed through lot nineties horror films this month. And so that is one of them.
00:51:07
Speaker
And you know, this is the hottest of hot takes, but I actually like exorcist three more than the original exorcist. It blew me away. And so when you think of the third installment of war franchise, more specifically, a horror franchise around possessions, yeah. And exorcisms like exorcist 30 does it right. So that that's actually three. This is not, yeah, exactly. for that it'll be i Maybe I'll watch it as later tonight as a palate cleanser or something.
00:51:32
Speaker
and it's really good. Okay. I might go watch it again soon. ah And you're not but you're not a big repeat watcher, too. is that That's a big. ah few of my favorites i've I've seen a few times, but um for the most like Silence of the Lambs, I've seen five plus times. But um if how much of the reason you liked it was the ah was George C. Scott as the.
00:51:52
Speaker
A huge reason. Oh, my God, he kills it. If that's the case, Trav, I highly recommend the Changeling. Oh, okay. He plays the lead in that movie as well. It's, uh, I think 10 years earlier than actually I think it's 1980, 1982 movie.
00:52:08
Speaker
But, um, that one, I would say more like poltergeist than exorcist. But if George Scott is a ah reason you liked the movie. Yeah. highly Well, I love them in Dr. Strangelove. Oh my God. yeah I come earlier with him.
00:52:20
Speaker
Um, Anyways, let's move on to our death awards. And hey, this is- Finally have some. Exactly. So the first film really- He's missing our death awards. There was a dog that dies. The second film, there are some, but via- There's flashbacks. Flashback essentially, and they were all together.
00:52:37
Speaker
This time there are multiple deaths throughout the film. There's one truly based on the case file that this whole defense is based on because Arnie killed his landlord. but they also put in more deaths, more fictionalized deaths throughout this movie. And so we have a few to choose from.
00:52:51
Speaker
um I think typically we start with cannon fodder. i I have one I like for this, but if you want to start. go ahead. you're not Well, so it would be, um so my cannon fodder award here, again, is the case that they completely made up as a plot for this film. I love it. So it's Jessica Strong just repeatedly stabbing her best friend.
00:53:10
Speaker
Oh, okay. Katie Lincoln. She stabbed him for two times and you see that. Again, it's another good pantomime skill from Lorraine Warren. was Was there a romantic thing between them? have no idea. You didn't pick on that? It was kind of like... She's like, I feel so close to you. And they're like longingly looking each other in the eyes. Generally with the Warrens chasing after these other cases and clues, I like. Like we just talked about.
00:53:33
Speaker
But this case specifically did feel well slapped on. or Like the death scenes and stuff just to serve the plot. And so um that's why I think it's a great cannon fodder. It's literally like they had to put her... they had to make up a case that never happened just to show this one death to move the plot forward.
00:53:49
Speaker
Yeah, that's better than mine. That by the definition of the award, that is definitely cannon fodder because it's just like we need this to move forward. My mind was going to be the occultist killing her dad. Oh, yeah.
00:54:02
Speaker
Just because I argued it that way because I was like we need to get him out of the way. Like she's, of course, going commit patricide at some point and complete the circle of being the same person. You kind of knew was coming. Although I i hate to hear John Noble reduced to just a cannon fodder death, man. here I know that's why I'm, if, if these were official, I would, I would side with yours, but okay more chance to talk about another death.
00:54:24
Speaker
I did. I did think that was a, um, a pretty nifty like teleportation. She's like, even though she looks not scary, she looks like she's behind them and she slits his throat.
00:54:37
Speaker
Right. Uh, what's that, that painting, the American Gothic, like she just looks like that farmer woman. She does. So it's great she just doesn't look scary, but moves quick slices throat quick.
00:54:50
Speaker
Hey, you know, I'll, I'll take it. Beggars can't be choosers. Um, best death. I thought the best death was, uh, the central death that the whole thing spurred on. Um, the Arnie killing his landlord, Arnie killing Bruno justice. ro cast bru justice bre Yeah, you're probably right. had the occultist getting folded up at the end, but like we said, it was a little heavy handed on the, um,
00:55:15
Speaker
Well, body's contorting at that point. Can can we, ah punt that? I want to ask you more questions about what happened there. And I had it in dull knives, but I think we'll talk about that moment. Okay. Perfect. Yeah.
00:55:28
Speaker
I like Bruno's death as the central death. So I'm, I'm fine setting with you there. Justice for Bruno. Um, right. Our shaman twist. we We have a DC. I didn't love the twist, but we have a twist worth calling out here and that you find out that John Noble's character, father cast and I believe it is his daughter who is the witch.
00:55:47
Speaker
um And so you find that out near the end and that's the big like, oh my God, it was right under our nose the whole time twist. Yeah. Not the, again, really trying to not be too much of a dick, but it's like the twist of the movie is,
00:56:03
Speaker
ah the killer is a woman that we don't care about and she happens to be the daughter of a guy we don't care about. Yeah. It was like, whoa, okay. Hey, there's not a lot of payoff in that twist.
00:56:15
Speaker
Like right they didn't have to do that. The witch could have been just some random person. They found a random location. Look, it it brought, I know functionally it brought the threat closer to Vera Farmiga and that's great. And that brought the fight to a central location. it was just like, oh, nice. Yeah.
00:56:33
Speaker
It wasn't like, whoa. Yeah. I'm with you there. All right. Moving on to our don't go in there award. Is it the music choice again? like No, I was very happy with the music choices, especially the Van Morrison track. I like Van Morrison. Yes.
00:56:47
Speaker
um No, it's like ah she does it several times. She even says out loud, I don't want to go down there about the basement of that of of the occultist house or John Noble's house. Mm hmm.
00:57:00
Speaker
And she doesn't go there just once, but twice. And then the second time she goes after he tells her, yeah, that was my daughter and here and gives her one flashlight like good good luck.
00:57:11
Speaker
Like, I just I don't think I think she's kind of throwing caution to the wind there. So yes, literally going into a place that she said out loud she didn't want to go and by herself. Come on, Vera, you know better. Yeah, that i mean that makes a lot of sense. my Mine is probably more simply put, but they go into a funeral home at night. like You know, that's... and They were way too cocky.
00:57:33
Speaker
they They were way too cocky. Just like, hey let me take my cane. I'm already disabled. Let me just crunch this glass and get us in there. So that was, yeah, you knew from the get go, like, okay, there's, there's going to be trouble here. Anyone would know. Like, yes.
00:57:46
Speaker
Again, I'm not that superstitious, but I'm not going to be breaking into funeral homes at night. And holding the hand of a decomposing body. Exactly. Which had some visitors, which I'm sure we'll talk about later.
Climactic Scene and Narrative Logic
00:57:59
Speaker
Yes. um Best line.
00:58:02
Speaker
What do you got for best line? I mean, I already teased at the top, but I have chicken shit on my hand is one of the most inexplicable, hilarious, out of nowhere comments. Yeah. So that was just had to get that out of the way.
00:58:13
Speaker
um I really have no idea what this means. And I didn't even look it up. Maybe you did, but I didn't need to. I just sometimes a phrase has a good mouthfeel to it. When she goes by the blood of Calgary, I command you.
00:58:26
Speaker
I liked that. I don't know what she means by Calgary. It sounds like Will Ferrell in Anchorman, like by the beard of Zeus. So it's kind of like, just, just exclaiming a few words to sound like, Oh, that sounds important. Like this right that. You're, you're going to hit on some Nordic lore or something. This is adding emphasis. Yeah.
00:58:46
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't matter. But if you if you emphasize it and you use the right combination word, you might hit on some historical tomes. St. Peter's Cross, I command you to do this.
00:58:58
Speaker
um Yes. So that's one. what's you there What's one you have? Yeah. Well, yeah. So my only one trying to limit it. Not funny. It's just one of those lines that struck me where I was like, oh, I actually like this screenwriting um again. John Noble's character. This is one very form. He goes confront him at the end when she's realizing like well I guess she doesn't know yet that the witch is located there, but he's slowly revealing to her that the witch is his daughter.
00:59:23
Speaker
And he mentions that he specifically says when they're down in the basement, we must be careful how our obsessions are passed to our children. and oh tra As vote know as a dad, to be like your daughter is going to start ripping podcasts about ah Frozen 2.
00:59:39
Speaker
I mean, it's like, it's true, right? They are going to get exposure to this stuff where we just need to be mindful where even where we think this is or meat our our kids are watching. We might be very different people, but something we both share is that we have very obsessive tendencies.
00:59:56
Speaker
Yes. I can see that in my kids already. so What are they obsessed with right now? Well, it's just like, you know, it's like I have probably like very, very low grade ocd and i i can see that as well where when they get dialed they get absolutely dialed into something and and then it's all they want to do and so it's very it's funny it's very hard to get them to try something new but as soon as they do it they like it and then they're obsessed with it kind of didn't so they're they're doomed yeah for the better um yeah cool good lines dull knives
01:00:30
Speaker
Yeah. Well, do you want to start with the one you are you're already teasing? The one I wanted to ask you about the one that I wanted to punt. Why did American Gothic woman, why was it? She have a doppelganger and why did she kill herself? And who is the demon sacrificing who to the devil? What,
01:00:46
Speaker
Maybe not a dull knife, just a question. Oh, you mean at the very end when... Yeah, I didn't understand that. I kind of... So, yeah, I think... I don't hate it. i don't I thought it was interesting, but it was just weird. I just didn't know. Warren, Patrick Wilson, out of that line, like, you promised this demon a soul. So essentially, like, now it's your soul.
01:01:04
Speaker
um because I don't know what pact or what means she was even sacrificing people. Her motivations... They're not that clearly explained. As you mentioned, there is a villain problem. Also because, again, in kind of like the second film, like she's a villain, there's also the big fat zombie guy. There's the you know people in the mental institution that we see harassing Arnie that we never see again. and And so when they spread it out, I'm okay with scary movies where there's never a central antagonist. Like a lot of haunting movies, they never put a face to it.
01:01:35
Speaker
But when you start putting multiple faces to it, It gets a bit confusing and and to your point, like i I don't know what was going on, but I assume at the very end of the film that is the demon taking her form or form that was just like her to take her down, taking her body like her real body.
01:01:50
Speaker
Yeah. So I mean, for all I know, like the Warrens allowed this ritual to go through another as a demon walking the earth, but they're just like, as long as it's not our guy, Arnie, like that's not as long as not our client. Yeah, exactly. is like Our, our, client that's our murderer client, we're good. Our conscious is a clean.
01:02:06
Speaker
Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. So yeah, my biggest one, this whole movie hinges on Arnie's case and his murder and the defense that the devil made him do it. And the Warrens are trying to substantiate.
01:02:19
Speaker
that this can happen. The supernatural is real. That's what forced him to do it. And so it builds up to the climax of the movie after all this fact-finding and trying to prove that it was not him, it was the devil, where Arnie gets possessed at the very end of the film in the in the mental institution. There is, also I have to give a shout out to that Italian priest who's just a silly character actor performing the world's worst exorcism um in the insane asylum or prison where Arnie's being held.
01:02:49
Speaker
And Arnie's body starts to get tort. So they they call in the guards. He starts get twerking. The lights are flickering on and off. And then you see there's a full audience of the guards and stuff in the room adjacent to it Thank Looking the glass.
01:03:01
Speaker
And Arnie starts floating in the air. Yes. He's literally levitating. And after all this, you're telling me they couldn't convince the jury that they had enough witnesses to be like, maybe the supernatural is real. Like he he ends up taking a plea deal and getting convicted.
01:03:16
Speaker
So I thought that was so funny. That was a trick of the light. Yeah. The film went to great lengths to show like he was really being possessed. There's other witnesses. Everyone sees it. And then he ends up getting convicted anyways.
01:03:27
Speaker
You know, you know why the person had the front row seat. She was reading like Newsweek magazine. Well, hy ist happening account it wasn't actually Newsweek. It was like week update. It was like like a fake magazine. But you have front row seats and you're there's a glass in front of you. You're not going to get hurt.
01:03:43
Speaker
Are you not going to watch an exorcist happen? Are you going to read? I'd probably get the fuck out of there. I mean, I. But if you have to stay, you're going to watch read your magazine are You're going to watch what's happening. Then yes, then then I would watch if I can't escape. If you watch the movie or that part, Travis, she's literally just like reading about it. It's like ah Raiders of the Lost Ark thing where she's afraid if she stares at the exorcism directly, like she'll be turned to dust.
01:04:06
Speaker
Maybe and you just can't look at it. You have to close your eyes or avert. I just don't think the demons like probably going to take the whole thing seriously. If no one's really like, its seems like this is not you want the demon to pause to be like, Hey, Hey you guys, I'm doing eyes up here. Work here. Hey you, eyes up here. Um,
01:04:23
Speaker
Yeah, that was very silly because that was the linchpin in the movie. What did little Stephen King boy do that was so detrimental to Patrick Wilson that he was so out for the count for the whole movie?
01:04:34
Speaker
he I watched the scene twice. He just kind of like pushes on his chest and he says, I'm going to stop your heart. Yeah. Just pushes, not stab, stop. And so did he use some like Eastern ritual?
01:04:48
Speaker
I think that's literally what it was like straight out of Bloodsport or kung Fu movies where it's like a single tap to the chest and just boom, you're done. Do you have any more?
01:04:59
Speaker
No. I haven't talked about a lot body contortion. We've ripped this film enough. I know. that's why he z yeah That's why I'm like easy on the Dillon House. Okay. Winners and losers? Winners and losers.
01:05:10
Speaker
Okay. One winner. You've brought it up in the second film, so I just want to continue the theme. Juan and his production crew in these movies love subterranean spaces. like That's as creepy as it gets. going in you know Here we have the crawlspace under the glass hole's home. We have the witch's lair under Father Kastner's home. so Big shout out to scared basements, which, honestly, basements are scarier than the rest of various. I can see that.
01:05:34
Speaker
To tack on to that, Trav, I thought ah thought last episode you did a great job breaking down um just how severe ah flooding damage can be to your home.
01:05:44
Speaker
Did you get the callback in this one when they they're like, where'd that waterbed go? And they they're like, it was right there. And he's like, he ah he lifts up the rug. He's like, that's no water damage. It's like, yeah, we know you're an expert at water damage now,
Waterbeds: Winners or Losers?
01:05:57
Speaker
dude. You you dealt like your worst case file up to date was probably that water damage. That's a great point. Yeah, it's it's still occupying a lot of real estate in Warren's mind.
01:06:06
Speaker
And so that'll segue to one of my winners. Dude, waterbeds. Holy shit, man. Did you ever have a waterbed or like have a friend who had a waterbed? This is so interesting because I also called out waterbeds, but as a loser, yes, I did have a single friend again in the 90s growing up. So maybe they're going a lot of You had single friend? I'm sorry. who who A single friend and who had a waterbed and I was so jealous.
01:06:28
Speaker
But I put it as a loser because this one shows the downside of a waterbed is as soon as you get a single puncture wound, it just fucking floods everywhere. was like, That's right. That's why we don't still have these. That is why we don't have single puncture. Yeah. I guess that it's kind of like the Achilles heel of the waterbed.
Callback to First Film and Connections
01:06:44
Speaker
But yes, winner for being featured. lose winner for feature my i wast Yes. was that staying power Winner for being featured loser for featuring the bug ah why it can, uh, not be great.
01:06:55
Speaker
My only other winner I had was, uh, There's a very quick callback when the Warrens are in their home where they receive some flowers and Elaine Warren turns to Ed and she's like, oh, Ed, the parents sent us these flowers.
01:07:08
Speaker
And so the the parent family from the first film. so Oh, they say they say the word parents? Yeah, they say the parent family sent us these. I don't know if I would be keeping in touch. Yeah. I just don't know. Like, let's leave that behind us. They saved their family.
01:07:22
Speaker
and yeah But didn't they also like leave them penniless too? Like they didn't get anything out of it The film parents, I'm sure, are extremely grateful. The real-life parents, I don't think they're too grateful to the to the Warrens.
01:07:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I just wouldn't be communicating people who keep a menagerie of like the occult and Annabelle's and, you know,
Patrick Wilson's Character Arc
01:07:41
Speaker
crooked man toys. Just stay away. Also thought of the winner was ah always always good to have like a where the wheelchair makes you wiser.
01:07:50
Speaker
You know, I feel like Patrick Wilson, he was a little down for the count, but I think having to sit back in the sidelines and be in the wheelchair allowed him to take stock into what's important in life, see the strengths of Vera Farmiga,
01:08:02
Speaker
It allowed him some perspective. He goes a little professor X like from I wrote that down. I was going to be my next comment. He's he gets a little prof X. I think it does play into the ah age, you know, that you're mentioning, it which I didn't really think he becomes physically weaker. The mind becomes stronger type of mentality.
01:08:23
Speaker
I already mentioned Drew's shirt game. i want to shop where he shops. And then one final one is another Drew related one.
Drew as a 'Train Guy'
01:08:30
Speaker
Dude, Drew knows his trains. Certified train guy.
01:08:34
Speaker
i honestly think he was ah he was a trained kid. at the ah Dude, out of nowhere. They're trying to pinpoint... they're trying to pinpoint like patterns and where these bodies are and like where the activity is happening. And they're looking at a map and, and Patrick's getting Patrick Wilson, Ed Vorn's getting all flustered. He's Oh, there's so many, so many trains. And Drew's like, almost like, dude, you idiot. and Like he knows that the commuter train doesn't go that late.
01:09:00
Speaker
And he has like a bead on the right lines where they're going and like immediately pinpoint. It's like, it's just good to have a train guy around. The warrants have a grift and they don't really give money to anyone except for themselves. There's a very high probability that they,
01:09:11
Speaker
you know Drew can't afford a car. like He is taking the commuter line to attend from work every day. He's like, no, man, I know this.
Drew's Role in Sequels
01:09:17
Speaker
like We're all too late right now. i'm not going to get a ride like it's past 9 p.m.
01:09:22
Speaker
Well, it is funny because like Drew famously like says nothing in these movies and it's like one of the only full lines he has. So he had more speaking rules in the first film. I feel like he's just making like cameos in the second and third film. Not going to lie to you. and I had to look up to see if he was in the second one because when I first saw him in this one, i was like, oh, Drew's back. He wasn't in the second one. I i looked it up. He actually was. I just don't remember. jack He was in the Amityville portion of the film.
01:09:46
Speaker
Is that it? Right. I think so. And then he comes back to London with them. Well, yeah, because they couldn't afford it. They're not going to pay him to go to London. There's no there's no train to London from ah from the States. The commuter line doesn't go up there. Yeah.
Portrayal of Priests in Exorcisms
01:10:00
Speaker
um All right. Losers. It talks about waterbeds. I had a priest being absolute liabilities at performing exorcisms in the franchise in general, specifically this movie.
01:10:11
Speaker
opening scene with David's exorcism, Father Gordon gets knocked out at start of it. And so, know, again, Edward has to take over and that Father Newman, I think is the name of the character played by Vince Pisani, who's the Italian priest trying really failing no confidence in him no confidence in him whatsoever when he starts right when he starts the exorcism you just know this isn't going to work he he had no confidence in himself you know you got to have little self-confidence if you're an exorcism agree completely think the devil's laughing at him in that case um all right big loser here dude and it probably plays into how we both feel about this movie
01:10:55
Speaker
the it like opposite of hanging dong.
Lack of Male Nudity in Horror Films
01:10:59
Speaker
There was a perfect opportunity to have that big old fat naked corpse running around like, like, john and like 28 years later, dong.
01:11:09
Speaker
Let's let's let the freak flags fly here, folks. They're just hiding the male body. Do you remember? i got so many questions about who, first of all, who is this big guy? Where did he come from?
01:11:20
Speaker
Is he part of the cases? And why are we hiding his junk?
01:11:25
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to the last one. i mean, i I embrace and applaud horror movies that show the full frontal for men. This is just a film that's, you know, more, Juan's a more conservative guy. I think we've said that before.
01:11:40
Speaker
He didn't want an R rating for the original film. He won a PG-13. He's notoriously bad at writing, like, intimacy stuff between Ed and Lorraine. that another loser that was going to have no sexual attention. Exactly. So, you know, he's not good those things. Like, there's no chance Juan, as the producer, was going to allow...
01:11:55
Speaker
Then they start putting some full frontal
Characters Living at Home
01:11:57
Speaker
malnability here. I was just disappointed, dude, because we haven't had a hanging dong in a while. Yeah, well, it's because we pivoted to the franchise. I know. We're never going to get that in the Conjuring franchise.
01:12:07
Speaker
type Maybe we'll get surprised for the last one. A little sweetener for last rites. We're just both in our solo viewings. your're You're 930 AM. Yeah! lose my second dog in that. Yes.
01:12:19
Speaker
um My only other loser, just kids failing to leave home. You have Debbie still living at home with her boyfriend Arnie. They live at the glass of home. The witch is still living with like her dad, like Father Kastner in his basement.
01:12:33
Speaker
i mean Even Judy, who's now an adult, if chronologically the first case was like over 10 years ago, ah She's still living at the Warren's home as well. She is.
01:12:43
Speaker
ah Why have we not brought her up yet? Oh yeah. Cause she's like just a hanger on. She is another character that just makes like cameo. Yeah. It's her father, Gordon drew. They all make like brief cameos and the sequels and
Rocky Franchise and Montages
01:12:54
Speaker
that's it.
01:12:54
Speaker
It's kind of Rocky esque, you know, like it's the same old group. Uh, Polly, Talia Shire, know, coach. It's like, is Polly in all the later films.
01:13:05
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, he dies ah he dies on the fifth one. He's alive through four, because remember he like has a romantic affair with the robot in Rocky IV? Oh, man. i amm not Now I'm wondering if I've even seen Rocky IV, because I don't recall all. You've IV. Trav, you are on record last episode saying how much you love montage, and Rocky IV is not a movie.
01:13:27
Speaker
It is like three montages. what So Rocky III is Mr. T, right? Yes. Rocky IV Drago. Drago. Oh, I've seen Rocky for that. Yeah. I could draw this when Rocky single handedly take it.
01:13:41
Speaker
Drago kills a main character. want that dude. That movie is like, if he dies, he dies. That is where best lines in cinema. Another loser I had was just, you know, if you're going to work, if you're going to be as somebody who, you know, comes from a family of mental health practitioners,
01:13:57
Speaker
Not a best look when one of your staffers sees somebody about to ah slip their wrists and the first thing they yell is, we got a cutter!
Mental Health Portrayals
01:14:09
Speaker
ah We got a cutter! I actually, I loved that line. He's like, we got a... we got a cutter. We got like a C 13 or something like that. I just, it felt like, a i don't know. It felt like a janitor, ah looking at cleanup on aisle six, but ah I guess loser for empathy, but winner for it is, it is kind of a nice line. It entertaining. Yeah.
01:14:29
Speaker
Um, another loser I had was, i just, I think she said in every movie now and like how many movies have we seen where a character says this, something terrible happened here. Yes.
01:14:40
Speaker
Yes. Lorraine does layer that every film. ah I just would like once she's like, hey, something great. There was a very happy moment here. I'm glad I held this dead girl. Actually, she did. Remember, she's like, you guys had a fine time at the beach, didn't you? That's right. The first movie. That's the only time. Look at that cheesy photograph. Because she looks at a photograph of them smiling at the beach and she goes, you had a fine time at the beach.
01:15:05
Speaker
Scream King? Scream Queen? Again, I've been... i've been saying this the whole time. i'm going to say it again.
Advocating for Bono
01:15:12
Speaker
Justice for Bono. The guy wanted to drink and party.
01:15:16
Speaker
He's your king. Yes. Wow. This is a, this it's, it's, this like an immemorial. I just don't know he's actually a good guy or not. Like I don't just like how I don't want to glorify the killer. Like I don't, I don't want to glorify him. It just, it, it, it, for me, it represents what's wrong with the Warrens and it's just a huge oversight. and so I, I want to overcorrect here.
01:15:40
Speaker
the The guy was listening to Call Me by Blondie. He can't be that bad of a dude. right He was crushing Pabst Blue Ribbon, listening to Call Me by Blondie. He's taking care of the dogs. He just wanted to cut loose a little bit.
01:15:50
Speaker
Did he get a little like sloppy? did he there's Does he deserve to die? No. And secondly, did he deserve to be ah like totally thrown under the bus as like, oh, ah
Impact of James Wan's Absence
01:16:03
Speaker
yeah, sorry. It doesn't matter that you died, really, because this guy was a demon because his girlfriend's a little brother was a demon and then seven months later he got mad at you you know I was I'm just i feel for Bono Bruno Bono however you want to say it i don't know I'm gonna have a tough time getting on board with that one I was honestly so so mine was mine's any better did you really even engage do you actually did you think about it it so you giving it a chance did not consider him but this is what I was gonna say I didn't really consider anyone here in fact where my mind jumped to
01:16:37
Speaker
was giving it to James Wan again because i feel like his absence was very noted. his His war, what do you call it? like the you know They make this case occasionally for like sports and MVP voting, but like when you wins above your place here yeah when you lose a key player and your team sucks, that's what it felt like with this movie is we lost James Wan. I was like, wait, what happened to this franchise? like we're We're tracking so well and without him tracking it.
01:17:01
Speaker
It took a notable step back. So I feel like that's a bit of a cop out. and So um I'm happy giving it to your boy, Bruno, if you'd like to for an in memoriam.
Hope for 'Conjuring Last Rites'
01:17:09
Speaker
I don't like it, but I don't have a better alternative. know. Look, this is the bed we've made, man. It's the bed we've made.
01:17:15
Speaker
All right. Well, I think that does it for Conjuring Devil Made Me Do It. man. Is that over? means next week we get Conjuring Last Rites. Please, God, please let this be a step up.
01:17:27
Speaker
From double maybe to it. We can't do two of these episodes back to back like this.
Podcast's Social Media Presence
01:17:32
Speaker
um Rick, where can people find us on social? They can find us in two places now on Instagram. It is at the Sunday scaries dot pod on Twitter slash X. It is the sun scaries.
01:17:47
Speaker
um After we finish up our... And by the way, we keep saying... i think we mistakenly a few times, Trav, said that um this is our first franchise series. This is our second, actually. so You're right. We did the 28 years... 28 days, weeks, years later.
01:18:02
Speaker
Shout out. We are really proud of those three episodes. And so if you haven't listened to that, if you're a new listener, go check out 28 days later, 28 weeks later, and 28 years later, if you are into the whole franchise thing, we are going to be testing out how often we do these.
01:18:17
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I think I've liked doing them, even though, even if it's highs and lows in terms of the quality of movie, there is something, it feels accomplished or fun to like do this journey with you and like go through these movies and find the tropes. And like, I want to do one again soon.
01:18:30
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Yeah. Yeah. wait This was a good amount of sequels. We've gone from ah three film franchise to four. So maybe, maybe we should push a five next time. It's good. It's good testing grounds for your Nightmare on Elm Streets and your Halloweens and stuff like that. But anyways, appreciate you guys listening.
01:18:47
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If you haven't already, please rate us five stars on wherever you're listening. Subscribe. We'll be back next week with The Conjuring Last Rites. See you guys then.
01:19:08
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Do you have Taco Bell as well? What is that right in front of you? Where's Taco Taco Bell? No, it's Bananagrams. Oh. That looked like a cheesy gordita crunch.