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Longlegs (2024)
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In preparation for Osgood Perkins' upcoming release KEEPER, Rick and Trav slowly recover their memories of Perkins' 2024 horror hit, LONGLEGS. Favorite Nic Cage performances, Perkins familial ties, making deals with Mr. Downstairs, and so much more to make our listeners happy as peaches. HAIL THE SUNDAY SCARIES!
(00:00) - A Short Nic Cage Story
(03:15) Intro / Best Horror Films of 2024
(5:20) Overall Thoughts / Analysis
(13:00) Production Notes / Osgood Perkins' Influences
(32:32) Casting / Our Favorite Nic Cage Performances
(44:16) Scare-O-Meter
(45:38) Highlights
(52:40) Awards
(01:25:37) Outro / Coming Soon
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Transcript
Introduction and Light-hearted Banter
00:00:00
Speaker
Hell, Satan.
00:00:37
Speaker
All right, we're back as you pop a beer bottle here as we start recording. How you doing, Rick? Daddy! Mommy!
00:00:49
Speaker
Unmake me! And save from the hell of living!
Nicolas Cage's Influence and Anecdotes
00:00:56
Speaker
Is this our first Nick Cage movie we've covered? Yeah, we would know.
00:01:01
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited, man. Everything he's in, I think he makes better. I have a one time. So his son wrestled in a similar in the same league as my high school.
00:01:13
Speaker
And I wasn't here to witness this, but some I wrestled for one year and some of my wrestling teammates went to go to this tournament that we were not in to like see the competition. And Nicolas Cage's son was there wrestling and Nick Cage was in the bleachers like kind of by himself. I think people know to stay away from Nick during a competitive environment, especially involving his son.
00:01:36
Speaker
And at one point, my friend said that ah his son is wrestling, it's getting intense, and all of a sudden Nick Cage goes... Son, use the fire! Use the fire! What?
00:01:48
Speaker
what That's the most unsurprising thing I've ever heard about Nick Cade. He calls his son, son. well i That's the craziest part. Well, no, I forgot his son's name, unfortunately.
Current Work and Industry Insights
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Speaker
Okay, that makes more sense. i You know I'll try to batch more stories next episode because somebody just got... So for those who don't know, I'm in Montana right now shooting a Yellowstone spinoff. I'm working for Kurt Russell, yada, yada, yada. Still working for Taylor Sheridan or is he...
00:02:15
Speaker
Did he leave mid production? No, no, no, no. He's that him. Him moving to Universal and just impacts 2028. He's going finish all his Paramount stuff. OK. And then it's sayonara to the Ellisons.
00:02:27
Speaker
um No, but Nicolas Cage's former assistant just got added to the production. And I only met him like last week and I just clocked him and i was like, dude, we got to get a drink at some point. I need to hear some Cage stories. And he's like, I have so many.
00:02:43
Speaker
Oh, that's amazing. I'll try to pick the best one next time we chat and and share it if I can. We might have to do like an impromptu add another Nick Cage movie to our view here of upcoming episodes so it right fits.
Recent Horror Releases and Analysis
00:02:55
Speaker
um Well, this, we are past Halloween and if you listen to Frankenstein, which you might just be listening now because the movie is just releasing this week yes oh yeah we'll have just released a few days ago by the time this episode this releases the ninth and so that means frankenstein has been and made available on netflix on the seventh two days yeah prior to this yep any other movie news nothing the nothing of note let's just talk about this movie all right well this is the sunday scaries i'm travis talaric i'm ricky townsend
00:03:26
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And today in the anticipation of Osgood Perkins next film coming out next week, Keeper, we are covering not his most recent film before, but probably his most notable one in Long Legs.
In-depth Review of 'Long Legs'
00:03:40
Speaker
This just came out in 2024 last year. i mean, jumping right into it, this was one of my favorite films the last year. i'd I'd say my S tier for 2024 horror films was probably The Substance by itself.
00:03:54
Speaker
And then my A plus tier coming in right behind it would be like this alien Romulus and red rooms. Like these are very solid horror films of 2024. Red rooms is my top. That is a, that's an S tier movie for me. yeah But yeah, 24. I mean, the we talked about it. The 2020s have been killer for, for horror films, whether you're looking at critical scores or box office alone.
00:04:17
Speaker
um So I'm looking at my 2024 horror films. I liked all the ones you mentioned, you know, that you and I differ a little substance, but aside from that, ah you're wrong on the substance. I think maybe out of all films of this decade, that might, uh, well, me and John Carpenter can sit on our side and then you can sit on your side.
00:04:35
Speaker
Me and the master of horror. Uh, yeah. So my number one was ah Red Rooms. Number two is Nosferatu. Number three was first Omen.
00:04:46
Speaker
Number four was Quiet Place. Day one and number five was Long Legs. Okay. With with with Alien Romulus sneak like very close behind. Yeah. And you know what? I probably need to put Smile 2 closer up to the top because I rewatched that when I was in Mexico a few months ago.
00:05:02
Speaker
Damn, that is a fucking great movie. Yeah. Great. Like we said, 2020, especially Post pandemic here, right? We didn't get a lot of releases in 2020 or 2021, but they've been making up for lost time these last few years. 2022 onward. onward.
00:05:16
Speaker
I agree with that. Killing. Killing the game. You want to do the the ah synopsis before you go? Yeah, we should we should probably explain what the movie's about. Good call. In pursuit of a serial killer, an FBI agent uncovers a series of occult clues that she must solve to end his terrifying killing spree.
00:05:33
Speaker
Well, I did not see this one in theaters, but I think you did. did. I did. I saw it with some friends. Awesome. Any memorable stories from the theater experience? Just like vexed by it. Just like, when where are we going with this? We, you know, it puts you into that ah lived in like, oh, this is a serial killer movie in the vein of, we would be picked up the Silence of the Lambs references yeah early on. Yes.
00:05:57
Speaker
Felt those seven references. Later on, I started to think about a movie called Cure. and um Japanese film by Kurosawa. Not Akira, but other Kurosawa. And then, um Zodiac, another Fincher film. But the the thing that all those movies have in common, aside from Cure, is that there's no supernatural elements at all. There's no spiritual elements. They're just people being mean and grotesque.
00:06:21
Speaker
What this and Cure have in common is that they throw in some supernatural, for better or for worse. i'll have I have some hot takes about how I think it hurts the film, but I also think it keeps it mysterious and weird. And I remember just being in the theater getting freaked out by the little devil images and not knowing what's going on back there. So yeah, i I liked it. What did you see at first?
00:06:42
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ah At some point last year, yeah, at home streaming with Anna. She loved it as well. Oh, she liked it. Oh, yeah. This and the substance she was very much with me on. She did not watch Red Rooms or Alien Romulus with me. So have to check her pulse on those. But yeah, this is up there with her favorites at 2024 as well.
00:07:03
Speaker
So like you said, there's elements of a police procedural to it. And I like that you bring up there is some paranormal to it. But this is a different flavor paranormal than what we're maybe used to in...
00:07:13
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The conjuring, for instance, or sinister where where it is entities themselves haunting our characters here. it's It's really simple of like people will just do horrible things when possessed under the influence. And so there's not a lot of supernatural entities you actually see on screen. It's just making bringing out the worst in people.
00:07:36
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No. Yeah. I mean, I think I I think it's the fact that the devil plays a role And that she's half psychic. I think those two things do make it ah even if it is simplistic and it's rules kind of the, I think it is an underbelly of the film that like, you know, changes its color a bit. yeah um ah But yeah, I, I I'm looking at the, the cover of the film right now and like, I just love the marketing campaign, man. Yes.
00:08:08
Speaker
You know, I think did it did it fulfill all its promises of being the scariest movie of all time? i don't think so. But it got people in the seats. And and I mean, I'm stepping on production notes and everything right now. But I was so excited to revisit it.
00:08:21
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Yeah, I with this one, and to your point, how scary it is. I like that. I talk about pacing a lot for horror films where you might have a very scary scene and then the filmmaker decides to let you take a breath of fresh air and and catch your breath, so to speak, and you'll get more exposition or it'll slow down a bit and then ramp back up.
00:08:42
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This one almost has a constant state of exactly something could happen at any moment. yeah Right. they They don't really give you many breaks. They keep your heart rate up the whole time. Like even in what should be like safe environments, like the main character's home or in a library, you're always just watching for the something to happen.
00:09:04
Speaker
Yeah, i I agree thousand percent. That is, i think what the movie does best is it's got this unsettled feeling throughout, thanks to like creepy sound design, really, really well thought out score. I'm not just talking about the T-Rex needle drops. I'm talking about like the actual strings that are kind of off key and also the framing.
00:09:26
Speaker
Um, Osgood does such a great job of centering his subjects, um, in the middle of the frame, most of the time, especially when they're in a position of power. But with Lee Harker, similar to how Demi, um, shot, uh, Jodie Foster and signs the lambs, he makes her small and threatened so much. Yes. And oftentimes if you look at how she is, uh, composed in, in these frames, uh,
00:09:53
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there is so much space behind her back, meaning like anything, there's so much opportunity for entities or or people or just threats to to come up behind her. And i though that was like I think that's what I got out of my second watch because I'm able to like take myself out of the movie bit and just like look at these choices.
00:10:11
Speaker
And that was one I really had fun watching. It was such meticulous ah compositions for his frames. Yeah, 100%. There's a lot of shots of Micah Monroe who plays Lee Harker in the foreground and you worry for her, you fear for her safety, but there's this wide background where oftentimes you can see some movement or you're at least anticipating what's what's going on back there because it's not...
00:10:35
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a blank canvas it's not a cheap set but it's no it's a home or it's again shelves in the library where stuff could be around a corner and you are just studying the entire screen not even just focusing on her but looking around to see what's a period it's a period piece too which is why i think that lends to your point about it's it's never a simple canvas uh i think oftentimes directors feel a responsibility to like really sell the period. And in this case, it's it's somewhere in the 90s. I don't know when, but Bill Clinton helps us figure that out. That was one of my winners, but we you just throw it out there right now is since she is an FBI agent and we get some scenes at the Bureau, you see the framed pictures of Bill Clinton, the current president for the time on the wall. so Pretty prominently featured. Yep.
00:11:20
Speaker
Uh, I, but, but like, um, you know, for those who haven't seen it, uh, the majority of the movie is a, it's an investigative, like you said, police procedural. And so I, I just love the gliding, um, nature of, of her navigating the past through her psychic visions, conversations with her mother, conversations with, um, uh,
00:11:44
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almost victims, I guess, surviving victims, like the woman in the mental hospital.
Director Osgood Perkins' Inspirations
00:11:48
Speaker
But the path that we go on with her to uncover clues and try to find out who this killer is and what's happening, i just love that slow, steady movement, um this glacial pacing.
00:11:58
Speaker
But like you said, it's populated with with threats and and you know and we both really like skin and marine and I think one of the reasons is reminds us when we're young and you look into the corner and you see blackness but then your eyes start to adjust and you don't know if you're making out shapes or it's in your mind but there's something sinister going on.
00:12:18
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Now that is a very abstract version of that phenomenon because it's like just that. There's like hardly any dialogue. yeah I think Osgood takes that and like peppers it throughout this film in a smaller but as equally effective way where you don't know if you're seeing things or if you see movement in the background. And, you know, later and'll we'll get into this with ah deep cuts. i I picked out some deep cuts to look for in the background. And one of those things I think is often written about now since the movie is streamable people can but rewatch it but there's like 10 plus images of a devil or a demon in the background and I just that that this is will sound weird but that gives me great comfort gives me great comfort that watching a movie and I know that there's actual demons somewhere in this and like so when I see something I'm like oh is that a demon or just a shadow I don't know i don't who knows
00:13:02
Speaker
yeah Other general thoughts? I mean, he has had another movie release between Keeper, which is coming up in Long Legs, and The Monkey, which came out beginning of this year.
00:13:13
Speaker
But production-wise, he was working, Osgood Perkins was working on The Monkey and wrapped filming of that film. Well, well prior to long legs, it sounds like long legs is his most recent that he's actually gone out and made, even though the release order was inverted. Well, aside from keeper.
00:13:30
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ah Yeah. Outside of keeper, but leading up to it. And I i bring that up because i know we didn't cover the monkey this year. It's a good film. It's reminiscent of like final destination with like just some crazy over the top kill sequences.
00:13:42
Speaker
But I think long legs has showed he has really leveled up his filmmaking. Yeah. And so if you're following trend lines, like it makes me more excited for Keeper to see like, oh, he went from the monkey to long legs. And so I'm excited to see now what he has with Keeper where had it been the other way around, ah would have been a bit more disheartened. well Like, oh, maybe that was just ah yeah know flash in the pan kind of film and not expect too much.
00:14:08
Speaker
I think you are you are hitting on some of ah Perkins' anxieties himself that he was on an interview with Sean Fennessy. one of our podcast leaders. And ah he didn't say it explicitly, but it was very understood because Sean kind of like read the writing on the wall and he asked a very pointed question. He was like, are you a little anxious about the monkey releasing after long legs?
00:14:31
Speaker
Because chronologically it's not displaying your progression as a filmmaker. And Osgood's answer was pretty much like, yeah I don't know how you read that, but yes, like he pretty much gave an affirmative. Like, I wish people could have seen the monkey then long legs.
00:14:46
Speaker
And then, you know, he was working on the keyboard in the interview, but that's the true progression of him. But monkey made decent money, like, ah you know, 50 million plus on a small budget. ah He's pumping them out. He's got a profits on these last two films. I think the one before that as well.
00:15:02
Speaker
And I want you to get in the numbers in a second. But the. the it was the highest earning independent horror film since insidious two. and that it beat I Tonya as the it's highest earner.
00:15:16
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Tonya. Is it Tonya Harding? Yeah. What did I say? Tonya. ah God. She's like Tony with just an a on the end. Look, look, uh, not a sports guy, just a football guy and a movie guy, not a ice skating. Hey, I Tonya is a great film.
00:15:33
Speaker
Um, yeah, well, we could talk numbers. So really small budget for what looks like great production value. It said he made this for less than $10 million. dollars I'm saying reported and just huge outsized returns because that now that doesn't factor in marketing and distribution budget, but, um,
00:15:54
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on its returns, $74 million dollars domestic box office, 127 million worldwide. So to your point, these were big numbers, a really large, uh, return for Neon.
00:16:06
Speaker
And so, uh, I'm sure they're excited because he, Neon's behind Keeper as well. Yes. Do we know? Okay, cool. Yeah. yeah um I'm sure they'd want to bring him back to another film after, after this.
00:16:19
Speaker
So, uh, long legs became the studio's highest grossing movie in its history, surpassing its best picture and multi Oscar winner parasite, which made 53 million. ah parasite Parasite had a worldwide box office 262 million, so way more outsized, but it's domestic. It was only 54. Right. so so So Long Legs, we can officially say, was is Neon's highest earning domestic performance at 58 million versus Parasite's 54, which is incredible.
00:16:50
Speaker
For a movie that had like two trailer like two films that had its trailer attached to and didn't even release its trailer online until many weeks later, like effective marketing campaign fact that it made that much money is pretty awesome i similar to weapons this was another one where i really liked the trailers as well because they didn't give away too much of the scares or anything in the movie where i feel like so many horror movies today that rely on jump scares might you know give away the whole bill of goods in the trailer and this is one where even after seeing the trailer i was very intrigued no idea what
00:17:22
Speaker
the movie is really about or what's going on in it, which makes it more of a treat than to watch it with fresh eyes. Famous for its somewhat of a marketing gimmick where they put a ah blood pulse monitor on Micah Monroe during the scene where she meets Longlegs for the first time.
Nicolas Cage's Role in 'Long Legs'
00:17:41
Speaker
They filmed this then superimposed her blood pressure going up in the bottom of the screen, never showed us what long legs looked like, but showed it going up and how freaked out she was.
00:17:52
Speaker
And I cannot tell you how many people I talked with that saw the movie for that reason. Now, i don't know if their blood pressure was the same as hers, but it got them in the butts in the seats. how much that was the movie verse how much is just, if you're talking to Nick cage, I feel like your blood pressure is going just spike trying to have that conversation. weigh Three pounds of prosthetics and makeup looking yeah like a glam former glam rock artist. yeah So we talked a bit about Osgood Perkins. He wrote this and directed it.
00:18:20
Speaker
He, he had a few films before this, but I have not seen any of them. I know you mentioned, uh, Oh, geez. What is it? Black Coat's Daughter. The Black Coat's Daughter. I've not seen that. Have you seen any of his other films? I've only seen Long Legs and the Monkey.
00:18:36
Speaker
Only seen Long Legs. You've seen more than me. But he had a a bit of a product of nepotism, was a child actor and now accomplished director. but mainly famous for his dad, Anthony Perkins, who are is the lead in Psycho. You know, we I want to say this, though. Before that, he was an accomplished actor before he got typecast as Norman Bates, which then kind of took over his career. But he had been nominated for a role about four years prior.
00:19:03
Speaker
Anthony Perkins. Anthony Perkins, yes. Okay. um You know, his his father himself, or Anthony Perkins' father, um was also an actor, an actor in the original Scarface.
00:19:14
Speaker
And that is who Osgood was named after. Anthony's father was named Osgood. Cool. I didn't realize. So yeah, multi-generational family of actors and directors here. i ah hope this is okay with you because i feel like this is a movie that's been out for a couple of years now, or I guess one.
00:19:33
Speaker
So hopefully more people have seen it, but I kind of want to do a spoiler warning now because ah one of these production notes about Osgood's influence for this movie um was heavily inspired By his family. Yeah.
00:19:46
Speaker
um So Anthony Perkins, who played Norman Bates, was, ah you know, obviously got very successful with the Psycho franchise and even directed one of them.
00:19:56
Speaker
um But this was the 60s, late 50s, and being gay was not in vogue just yet. This is pre-civil rights. This is pre- pre any type of gay marriage legal legalities.
00:20:12
Speaker
And, um, it was widely just, you know, and Osgood now says it openly, but Anthony Perkins was gay. Um, he had a wife that he loved very much. Um, but he did have outside relationships that, um, from all intents and purposes, seemed that they had an arrangement.
00:20:28
Speaker
Like going to keep this family intact. If you have male partners that you want to go see, I'm fine with it. Let's just keep it under the rug. Let's protect our family, protect our kids. And so, um,
00:20:39
Speaker
that that created a family unit that was very close. And then I don't think that even came out as speculation until the 90s when Norman Bates, sorry, when Anthony Perkins died of AIDS in 92.
00:20:51
Speaker
And that's when like some of his stories started coming out. um But what Osgood has said in interviews and not many of them, he doesn't mention this too often, but the few times he has mentioned it, it seems to be very important to him. And that is that that sense of protection from his mother.
00:21:06
Speaker
um His mother protecting him and his siblings from any outside ah threats or or prejudice or like judgment of their family um he was very moved by that, like that she was willing to do anything for him.
00:21:26
Speaker
And so he takes that willing to do anything that maternal's claws and just stretches it into the extreme where the mother in long legs, as we all know, after seeing it and again, spoilers here,
00:21:37
Speaker
ah is willing to commit murder for the devil, to keep the devil away from her daughter. And you might call that crazy, or you might call that just being a mom. I mean, you're a parent, Drav, and if the devil came up to you and said, hey, I'm going to kill your whole family, ah maybe make you burn in hell, I'm not sure yet, I'm still figuring things out because our logic's a bit messy, unless one of you helps me drop off dolls at these houses and every so often make the doll kill the family.
00:22:07
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
Personal Influences and Dedications
00:22:08
Speaker
Yeah. Puts you in a bind, right? The lengths parents will go to to protect their children. a very... it's a very relatable premise for this film. And so I could see from him drawing from this real world inspiration from his relationship with his mom and how she had to deal with his dad, Anthony Perkins and his homosexuality like it.
00:22:32
Speaker
It makes sense. Speaking of the dolls, though, did you see the inspiration for um why he wanted to use dolls as part of this film? Annabelle gift. no um No, it was.
00:22:44
Speaker
so this is close to home for me, and I'm sure you're somewhat familiar and many of our listeners will be familiar. But there was a very famous, still unsolved murder that happened right where I grew up in Boulder, Colorado, in the mid 90s of John Bonet Ramsey. Oh, yeah. My brother's obsessed with this case for some reason. i Was murdered right after Christmas.
00:23:05
Speaker
She looked like a doll. She was gifted and doll, like a life lie e life-size doll for the holidays just prior to her getting murdered. And this is apparently always stuck with Osgood Perkins where he wanted to use the doll as the device, the plot device to kind of let the devil in the home.
00:23:22
Speaker
But also notable, of course, because after have to bring up, I grew up in Boulder, Colorado. I knew JonBenet Ramsey. Our nannies were best friends. I used to play with her as a kid. out of here. Yeah, we're the same age. She was born in 1990 as well. You knew JonBenet? It's by one plug.
00:23:34
Speaker
Oh my gosh. just dode I just remember coming you know going through the grocery store and seeing her cute little face on it every single tabloid for years. I didn't know that well. sure don't want to overhype it, but our nannies...
00:23:47
Speaker
Our nanny and her nanny were like good friends. How was that for you as a kid? Like, was that the first time that you were like, oh, murder is a thing and it can happen? Like, what did, how did you, do you remember processing it as a kid? It was very, you know, protectionist parents. I didn't really know too much of what was going on other than the little bits and pieces I could sneak when I was watching the news as they were watching it. And so I wasn't fully comprehending. I don't have like concrete memories to like,
00:24:14
Speaker
This is when death became very apparent to me. i just remember it being very newsworthy for a very long time. Yeah, my my brother and his friends keep trying to solve the murder. I don't i don't know. Oh yeah, I have yeah a lot of connections to that case. maybe We'll bring it up another time, but my dad's neighbors with Fleet White, who was the neighbor who like discovered her body. They still live in the same neighborhood. At least I said think recently, I and haven't refreshed in the past few years, but a lot of connections to the case. so I, like your brother, have been just obsessed with it over years. and i
00:24:48
Speaker
Well, ah this this we can dedicate this episode to JonBenet. um speak Speaking of dedications, both Nicolas Cage and Osgood Perkins dedicated this film to their mothers. so Really? Very sweet.
00:25:00
Speaker
um the You know, it's emotionally honest dedication right there. And do you know how Osgood's mother passed away? No. She was on United Flight 11 9-11.
00:25:14
Speaker
um Oh my goodness. September 11th, 2001. Yeah. no Nuts. That's and nuts, man. When I learned this, I also figured out that this was a day.
00:25:25
Speaker
It was a, a day before the ninth anniversary of, of Anthony Perkins death. And it got me thinking was there any connection there with the obsession of dates in this meaningful dates? Yeah.
00:25:38
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. he He hasn't said that, but I was like, Both his parents died within, you know, within nine years of each other in in unique ways, you know, AIDS, which is related back to his homosexuality.
00:25:49
Speaker
And then 9-11 for his mom. It's just like, you know, Osgood didn't really have a choice to be a horror director, I think, after um a life like that. We really checking off spots on our like nostalgia bingo card here. We've hit John Bonet, we've hit So we'll see what else we can cover here for our childhood, early 2000s. Should we talk about music?
00:26:10
Speaker
should we talk about music Yeah. Well, I guess you're going to bring up the note I was going to say. So you know who the composer was then? I don't. I don't. I was focused on the T-Rex stuff. Oh, okay.
00:26:20
Speaker
Well, yes. but you So they're there are featured tracks in here for from established artists, but there was also a composer for the film. I know you mentioned you like the strings and the score who's that? It was Elvis Perkins. ah Oh, yes.
00:26:34
Speaker
No family of affair. Exactly. So he did the music. So that was pretty cool. Oh, that's cool. That is cool that you and your brother can work on something that is a, you know, granted, ah very macabre ah dedication to your mother. You know, yeah hey, we love our mom family affair. You definitely would work for the devil to save our lives, though. Let's just put it in that way.
00:26:52
Speaker
She would kill for the devil for us. but Yeah, I know you've been itching to get T-Rex. So lay lay a little on us. Bang a gong for us. Yeah, bang a gong. ah So full disclosure, didn't know much about T-Rex before this movie. Knew the hits um and didn't really... consider myself a pretty big music fan. I never really delved into what glam rock was.
00:27:17
Speaker
Like... what is glam rock? Is it more of a fashion style versus a music style? And the little research that I did is that it's both, you know, it's bringing poppy melodies to art rock, psychedelic rock, but keeping in keeping it uplift, not uplifting, but like high, high tempo.
00:27:36
Speaker
Um, but mixed with that is this emergence of androgynous clothing, like David Bowie and the New York dolls. And Lou Reed did dabble with this in a bit, but the guy who started this all, um,
00:27:48
Speaker
was Mark Boland, the lead singer and primary singer-songwriter of T-Rex, the glam rock band. And... um It was while Oz Perkins was writing the script for Long Legs in the early stages that he had just taken a break and started watching this um this documentary on Apple TV called 1971. The music that changed everything, 1971.
00:28:12
Speaker
nineteen seventy one And so um there is, i guess it focuses on like important albums or bands that emerged around that time, but there's a whole section about T-Rex.
00:28:22
Speaker
And he knew of them, wasn't a huge fan, but started to listen to them. And there was something about the ah the lyrics that touched on biblical references, the ah the the kind of ah yin and yang of glam and um gritty rock that he really just started...
00:28:47
Speaker
you know, taking on and like it it influenced, I wouldn't say the plot of the film, but the style, the aesthetics. And I, I think ah what I will go on record to say is that I don't um don't think Longlegs is like the most thematically deep movie. I don't think it has a lot to say.
00:29:06
Speaker
And that bothers people. You'll find whole um subsections of people online who like have a real big issue with the messiness of the film. And like what is it it explains everything away in the third act, which I actually do have a problem with. But overall, i'm like, can't you just appreciate that this is a uniquely stylized film that like takes references from movies that we all love and really unique music? So anyways, he's...
00:29:29
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um he's thinking about all this and this T-Rex stuff and he calls Nicholas Cage and he's like struggling to say why t rex is, is so influential to this movie. And he just stops himself and he's like, Nick, it's it's just T-Rex.
00:29:41
Speaker
All right. The movie is T-Rex. yeah Long legs is T-Rex. I don't know what else to say. And Nick was like, say no more. I was teaching my son guitar a few weeks ago. And the first son, son, I was, I was teaching son, ah the solo in a song by T-Rex called causing cancer.
00:30:03
Speaker
and at that moment they just had this like unspoken understanding that it it was going to somehow aesthetically influence this film and it did in a big way it starts off with the lyrics it yeah it opens and ends with that the the character of long legs is said to be a former glam rock singer so uh i don't know i did but does it because what i'm saying kind of makes sense we're like these are all like set dressings and garnishings versus like
00:30:33
Speaker
the the things that drives the plot. Yeah. I'm in, I will add color to that or my perspective. And I a one hundred percent
Film Style vs. Thematic Depth
00:30:41
Speaker
agree. Like it is a uniquely stylized movie and that's why I like it so much.
00:30:46
Speaker
So I say people who get, twisted into a pretzel because they say I wanted a deeper meaning to come out of a film. I've made this point before, but I'm just there to enjoy it. yeah And I think when you are uniquely stylized, that can make a very enjoyable experience. and I don't need to walk out of a film feeling like i have a deeper understanding of the world we live in or culture or anything like that. And so it it made it fun because of that.
00:31:12
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i I thought of weapons a lot during this movie because yeah i think ah we both kind of describe weapons as like a a well-crafted muscular movie that isn't hitting you over the head with messaging, but you can derive what you want out of it.
00:31:25
Speaker
And this is the same way. It's well-crafted. It's not a singular message. It's pulling from a lot of different movies and pop culture references. And what you get is a smorgasbord of like good shit. I don't know. It's just fun. It's a fun movie. If you don't take it too seriously, it's a fun movie. And I think that's why it's so smart. They end it with, um, uh, get it on. Cause it's like, well, isn't it called get it on, but the, the T-Rex's most famous song.
00:31:48
Speaker
Is it bang a gong? Oh, yeah. Clearly you're a new T-rex fan. I am. Welcome. Welcome.
00:31:57
Speaker
ah Oh, okay. Well, give me a bit of credit. Wait, it is called get it on it in the U us S it was retitled bang a gone in parentheses, get it on. So if you go to the Wikipedia page, Travis, it's called parentheses title.
00:32:10
Speaker
I gave you the original English title. And then in the U S it was titled bang a gone. I'm just saying, buts let's, let's, let's, uh, let's meet in the middle here. um But that's just a fun movie.
00:32:21
Speaker
The fact that you end with him saying, hail Satan, and it goes to that. I think it should tell you all you need to know about how to watch this movie. And that is what fucking just pleasure. Just fun. Don't try to make it a bigger thing. Yeah. um Well, let's talk about cast a little bit. So we've, we've mentioned a cage a few times. He definitely adds that style as we were just alluding to. he is the juice for this film.
00:32:44
Speaker
um Can we, this is one of my favorite Nick cage performances. I think we do that can we do the top. Can we do each or do our top five decades? Exactly. That's what I was going to get into. So it doesn't have to be top five. I just want to hear some of you other favorite Nick cage performances. You go first. go I want to hear why you like Nick Cage and then tell me yeah your top five or your five of your favorites, I guess.
Celebrating Nicolas Cage's Career
00:33:04
Speaker
There are different schools of thought on what makes a good actor. There's, you know, the Daniel Day-Lewis method actors who get so into a role. it's in It's indistinguishable from themselves. And it seems so...
00:33:18
Speaker
natural, right, is what they're going for. And then I'd say Nick Cage is maybe on the other side of the spectrum where it's maybe you could criticize it as overacting. But what I like to think is i know I'm watching a movie.
00:33:31
Speaker
I'm okay if I disassociate a bit from These are atypical or dialing everything up to 11. And that's what he brings. And I, I absolutely love it. I'm always there for it because his performances are always so memorable. What could be mundane lines or exposition just by having them in it makes it so much more exciting.
00:33:51
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He is known to have developed his own acting style, which basically you take the roots of the German expressionistic style, which came from the theater.
00:34:02
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And so the theater, you know, you have to really um exaggerate your movement so the people in the back can see you. And then there was this gothic kind of horror style that was used in those theatrical plays that then translated to the films of the 20s and 30s.
00:34:16
Speaker
And that's where they have these like oblong structures and big shadows. And so to compete with the architecture and so people could see you, it's very, very exaggerated and theatrical, right? So he has been on record saying that that he is highly influenced by that style of acting.
00:34:31
Speaker
But I think he has settled into this, like people have mad respect for this guy, for the honest choices he makes and how seriously he takes it. If you talk him in interviews, he is so fucking earnest and loves his job.
00:34:43
Speaker
And, you know, he got his Oscar for leaving Las Vegas, which is a phenomenally tragic movie and an amazing one at that. And then turns around and rattles off The Rock, Face Off, and like all these action films just to show that he just wants to keep making... Con Air.
00:35:01
Speaker
Yeah, Con Air, which is bonkers. i fucking love that movie. But I just i just love him. So i want what what are some what are are some of your favorite roles? Yeah. I mean, we rattled off a few of them, but I i absolutely love him in Face Off because he's not just playing an exaggerated version of himself, but he's trying to play an exaggerated version of John Travolta in his body, which is absolutely phenomenal.
00:35:23
Speaker
ah no not You missed one derivative of that. He is playing John Travolta trying to play Nicolas Cage, trying to play the act, the the character that Nicolas Cage is playing. Yeah, that's a good point to to to be discreet so people can't tell it's him. is Exactly. It it is like layers and that just adds so much flavor to it. So that's probably my favorite role.
00:35:44
Speaker
Love Con Air, love um and Adaptation, because there he's playing ah two different versions of himself in Twins, ah doing doing double duty with those two roles.
00:35:55
Speaker
I really like him in Kick-Ass, if you remember that superhero movie as well. in Kick-Ass? Yeah, he's Big Daddy. You're right. He is in Kick-Ass. Yeah. He's kind of a mentor superhero figure.
00:36:06
Speaker
Yeah. Those are some of my favorite. What about you? Any other? I'm going to try not to do any. I mean, so you mentioned some of my favorites. I face off the rock, but ah Con Air. But all right.
00:36:19
Speaker
My I think my favorite performance of his is in Moonstruck, actually. haven't seen it It's such a sweeping a stylized, romantic, superstitious movie about love and chance.
00:36:31
Speaker
And he's just this like he's so tragic and broken. He's so dramatic. And he's like got this swooning kind of ah damaged boy ah role that he plays opposite a share who's falling in love with him they fall in love with each other. It's really fun great date night movie. Highly recommend.
00:36:48
Speaker
ah you and Anna to watch that. yeah About Italians in New York and how she's there about the moon and about love and family. It's just, it's folks so funny and so good. I already mentioned leaving Las Vegas raising Arizona is I think like to me, that's his coming out party though. Like that's where he is showing that he can do a role that nobody else can. There's this, this almost cartoonish Looney Tunes zaniness that meshed really well with the Coen brothers style, but he brings heart. I think I keep going back to how like earnest he is. I yeah love that.
00:37:19
Speaker
And then um I got to give a shout out to Wild at Heart. Because my favorite filmmaker of all time, RIP David Lynch, he is ball of fire in that. He is so passionate. It's like, I feel like when he took that role, he's like, okay, here's these two things, sex and violence. And I'm going to embody them completely.
00:37:38
Speaker
Like, I'm just going to be these two things, the living manifestation of these two things. ah If this was not a, if that was a horror movie, I think it'd be like one of the first things we cover, but it's not, so we won't cover it. But go see Wild at Heart.
00:37:51
Speaker
And then there's a bunch of other movies I can mention, but I want to mention one that's not mentioned a lot, which I, again, if you're a Cage fan, I do recommend one of his first big breaks, ah Peggy Sue Got Married by his uncle, Francis Ford Coppola.
00:38:08
Speaker
He is cast by his uncle in very Nepo way to play the boyfriend of the lead in this movie, which is about a high school girl grows up to be middle-aged and is looking back at her life at a reunion and then finds herself back in time again.
00:38:22
Speaker
And, you know, with new perspectives and how she sees herself as a young girl again. and he was cast to play her high school boyfriend, who is not the greatest guy. He's not the worst guy. He's just kind of like, he was cool back then. He's kind of peaked in high school and he puts on this voice like this and he's just talking like Gumby kind of.
00:38:42
Speaker
And Francis Ford, his uncle's like, dude, what are you fucking doing? And Cage is like, I'm making this choice. I'm doing this. And it has aged really well because what he has said in interviews since then is that,
00:38:54
Speaker
What I was trying to do was I was trying to show that like what what you think is cool when you're in high school, looking back is not probably cool at all.
00:39:05
Speaker
And he was just exaggerating on that. And its it works. It's fucking weird. and You have to get used to it, but it works. So
Casting Highlights and Character Analysis
00:39:10
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I just had to get with that shout out. I think it's a really good weird a little supernatural movie. So we don't have to spend as much time on the rest of the cast. No, we don't.
00:39:19
Speaker
I love Michael Monroe as Lee Harker. So she's our lead. and She's a bonafide scream queen now because she was in It Follows. She's going to be in They Follow. It looks like they've cast her. She's in some other horror films I haven't seen, but Watcher, The guest okay and yeah i'm only so I've only seen these two. and i Both.
00:39:37
Speaker
she she has like has like my attention the entire time yeah you you like you like it call Oh, I love it follows. I'm very excited for they follow. It follows I don't know. It's somewhere in my top hundred horror films. It's so Yeah.
00:39:50
Speaker
yeah um very good. Don't have sex. The movie. Yes, it's exactly. It took what Carpenter started with promiscuous teens are the ones who are getting killed and just really took that to the next right logical step of yeah, you're going to get an STD because you had sex and it's going to be a horror STD that tracks you down and kills Did you know that some people similar to the long legs haters, some people have an issue with that movie because some of the rules don't make sense about when you can see the creature and when you can't and stuff like that. And I'm like,
00:40:21
Speaker
just have people not having fun anymore yeah we're gonna watch it squares if you're watching horror like i'm not looking for always the most highbrow film here right so like i'm i'm gonna be a little more like it's yeah and if it's trying to be that and it fails then i have a problem but if it's not trying to be elevated that and i don't think the either movie is just here's a cool concept um And then the rest of the cast, like I really like Blair Underwood as Agent Carter. Haven't seen many of his other films, but ah ah Alicia Witt as Ruth Harker as well. I thought she was phenomenal in this. Yeah.
00:40:52
Speaker
I'm like every time she's on screen, I'm like, what is she doing? And I'm lost in it and I'm just like, this is a fucking weirdos. I think it worked. I was a great casting there. Yeah. Yep. all the Crazy people in this film. i had Great, crazy people.
00:41:04
Speaker
That's very true. um Michelle Choi Lee as Agent Browning. I bring her up have a few other awards to attribute to her, so I got to give her a shout out now.
00:41:16
Speaker
But um yeah, that that rounds it up pretty well. ah Anyone else on cast and crew we didn't touch on before we moved to themes? No, you hit the big ones. yeah but I'm sure there's a cameo in there we missed or something. um Was Osgood in this?
00:41:31
Speaker
I did not see him. He acts here and there. Yes, yeah, yeah. He was an actor before he was a director, but I do not recall seeing him in the film. Okay. ah Thematically, again, we don't have to spend too much time here because does it doesn't try to ah super deep, but outside of, i think you brought up a good one already, which is the extent mothers will go to yeah protect their children from what they see as like horrible things or things that could put them in danger. Anything else? Yeah.
00:41:58
Speaker
um I wouldn't say thematic, but more of just an observation. And correct me if I'm wrong, maybe you heard differently, but I'm i'm almost positive that... Osgood or Micah Monroe or both have mentioned that the character is supposed to be on the spectrum um of autism and that plays into some of the hyper focusing that she does. Some of the issues she has with with ah socializing and some of the cues that she missed. She either misses or isn't reading that well.
00:42:27
Speaker
But then how what a stellar job she does at her at her craft and like focusing on things. And I just thought like, you know, it's it's a gray area on that idea of like, hey, should we people without disabilities be playing with disabilities? And my thing is, like, if it's done the right way with intentionality and grace, you're not punching down.
00:42:49
Speaker
if that's the best person to do the job, let them do the job, you know? And I don't think she was doing anything that discredits or devalues somebody with autism. i If anything, she's a very accurate and beautiful depiction of it, to be honest.
00:43:02
Speaker
What do you think of the film Simple Jack? Yes, that was overdoing it a thousand percent. So was I Am Sam by Sean Penn. So was Radio by Cuba Goody Jr. Rain Man?
00:43:17
Speaker
On the fence about Rain Man. mean Forrest Gump? Yeah, a little too much for me. Really? Okay. I love Force Gump. well Yeah, i'm I'm not in that camp. Sorry. Okay. um I think that's good then for themes. Should we move to our awards? We've already started spoiling stuff, so we could just jump right into our horror rating.
00:43:37
Speaker
um Yeah. scarometer sorry I do want to say after a quick Google, it looks like it was never definitively ah um said or or defined by the creators, Osgood or Micah Monroe, that she had autism.
00:43:52
Speaker
But I'm reading a publication right here on a website that is either written by or made a conjunction with people with autism and then they say there is similarities but that doesn't mean that she is but it's the implication she exhibits these traits doesn't mean that she has an explicit diagnosis that's a spectrum and yes i heard you say it's the implication it might just be the implication um all right scarometer uh i had this bad boy at a seven okay Yeah, i I was at a six, but I was really between a six and a seven. So I will acquiesce in joining at seven. It is pretty scary throughout. i was
00:44:34
Speaker
i was curious where you'd be on this after what you gave like Frankenstein a six or Franken... No, I gave it a five. ah five, okay. But I went with the what it made me think about.
00:44:46
Speaker
This is less what i'm thinking about afterwards. And in the moment, I am like, ooh, there's a devil around. It's dark and scary. lo Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. um Yes, this is a scarier film than Frankenstein.
00:44:58
Speaker
Del Toro's Frankenstein. Travis Larrick on record saying that ah Long Legs is scarier than Del Toro's. Yeah, not the scariest film of all time. But it... It's a good different flavor of scare where it's not heavily relying on jump scares. It's just this question, persisting question for you.
00:45:14
Speaker
Did the marketing campaign, this specific part of it saying that it's like the scariest movie of the century, did it hurt the film? Either. Do you think for people in general or slash for you?
00:45:27
Speaker
I feel like so many horror films have used a similar tactic with that same line where I'm just immune to it now. i don't really notice it. So it did not hurt it for me. Right. Highlights of this film.
00:45:39
Speaker
You go for it. I got, I got, I have three. I'll pick one of the ones that you don't pick. Okay. Okay. Oh, it is commonplace today. pointed out in Jaws, but it's, I'd say it's the norm now for horror movies to start with a cold open. meaning i You're going to get some scary scene. Trav loves a cold open. Before, yep. Before the title card.
00:46:01
Speaker
And this film does well. And it's great. And it's like an introduction to long legs, but you don't see like the top of his face. And it's, it's creepy aesthetic again on this like four or three aspect ratio. That is great.
00:46:12
Speaker
That is not my highlight. Oh, okay it's after you get the title card. a lot of horror films then default to, we're just going to slow down the pace dramatically. You're going to get a lot of exposition. This film does not do
Memorable Scenes and Dialogue
00:46:24
Speaker
that.
00:46:24
Speaker
They go right to a very brief briefing. being redundant with the FBI headquarters. And then you see our protagonist, Lee Harker and her partner. I forget his name. He has attributed a name in the credits. I'm not sure if it was ever said, um going door to door, knocking on a case, trying to find a suspect.
00:46:43
Speaker
Yep. And that scene, it just dials it up to 10, right, right from the get go. It says, Hey, we don't need to slow down and have some, boring exposition, slow pacing. It's like, we want to keep you scared. And you know, something's going on Yeah, you it's the first insight that she has some powers or supernatural abilities. She says, I think it's this house.
00:47:03
Speaker
Her partner doesn't really believe her. He opens up the door, but the shot is not on him right away. It's on her just horrified reaction. She's pressing herself against the side of the so wall there.
00:47:14
Speaker
And the guy who opens up the door and just shoots her partner directly in the face to start the film. So I, I love that scene, because again, was expecting that good cold open was not expecting you jump right back into it with some action there, right as the film begins.
00:47:29
Speaker
Yeah, it it does a smart thing where it like leverages the momentum it takes in that opening scene and just carries right through. i I'm sure there's sometimes there's the right choice to slow things down and get back to basics and set, you know like you said, set the exposition. But I agree.
00:47:47
Speaker
you You get this weird flashback and then you start the journey and it's as creepy as the flashback was. um I was going to say, i mean, the opening is one of my favorites. I'm i'm not gonna say it anymore because you are...
00:47:59
Speaker
I kind of double dipped. I called up the cold open and then the scene right after. I'm glad you did because it does, you mentioned one thing I like about it and that is the framing of Nicolas Cage's character. But another thing you didn't mention was the cutaway.
00:48:12
Speaker
And it's it it's ah just enough to see that this is like a either disfigured or odd looking person, but not enough to really make out what's going on because his face was not in the marketing.
00:48:24
Speaker
So you're you're still trying to, you're still like coming up, like fill filling that canvas in your head and it gives you a little glimpse and goes away. And I just, sometimes it's what you don't see that keeps you up at night or it keeps you thinking about stuff throughout the movie versus what you see.
00:48:39
Speaker
So great experience in the theaters too for that part. But um there was two that I like and I'm just going to go deep on one of them, but it was the, um, It was Micah thinking that the killer, she knew that Longlegs was in her home at some point and just getting in her house and being scared.
00:48:54
Speaker
Tense, love that part. But the one I want to talk about is the meeting with Carol So she goes to meet with a daughter. The only survivor? The only survivor of one of these horrific familial killings.
00:49:08
Speaker
And it's a woman who seems to be her same age, maybe a little younger, maybe her 20s. Hasn't spoken for years. All of a sudden the visitor comes. We learn later that's long legs, signs in as Lee Harker.
00:49:20
Speaker
And then the next day she's talking and she's got such a weird dialect, like kind of backwards. Oh, yeah. Perfect speaking. That made me happy as peaches. Yeah.
00:49:32
Speaker
I was just going to say that it would just make me happy as peaches to see your head go pop, pop and your eyes go all bloody. Yeah. ah And then I'm going to step on my own favorite lines here. I have so many, so i don't mind burning one right now. but ah the conversation is going, it's it's sweet and you can tell that she doesn't have a lot of education and she's using words the wrong way, but she's trying to answer Lee's questions.
00:49:54
Speaker
And then all of a sudden Lee asks her like, so you must not remember this incident You must not remember this doll that you... Because I saw a doll that looked like you.
00:50:05
Speaker
And then she just looks at her and she goes, you don't remember it either, you dirty, flirty old angel bitch. Yes. Which I was just like, oh, that's a turn.
00:50:16
Speaker
Where's this going now? And I forgot the pivot is so... Like it's so ah sudden like that this covers it, but her dialect stays the same. She does not change her tone or sensibilities whatsoever, but it's what she says, because then she rattles off all these other lines about what, ah you know, that she she would be fine killing her.
00:50:37
Speaker
Yeah. But I just ah I love that scene. a Strong performances in this film. Like, again, a screenwriter can write the lines, but the way she delivered them. Fantastic. Long legs, the way Nicolas Cage delivers all his lines in that high pitched voice. Fantastic.
00:50:51
Speaker
Also, speaking of Carrie Ann camera, that's Kiernan Shipka. plays that actress we didn't call her out in casting but she's an up-and-coming scream queen she was she's worked with osgood perkins before she was in the black coat's daughter but also she was the lead in like a straight to netflix horror film that i kind of liked called a totally killer oh yeah you did like that it's good it's not one of my favorites but it's an enjoyable film it's kind of like a ah flashback period piece one with with some time travel involved Only other thing.
00:51:23
Speaker
I didn't know where else to put it, but do love the interrogation scene. Letting us do four highlights, Trev. You must feeling generous today. don't know where else to put this, but it's the interrogation scene between, agent Lee Harkin and long legs when it's the first time they're together on screen. Sorry.
00:51:37
Speaker
Between agent Lee Harkin and long legs. So it's the first time you get them together on screen in the interrogation room. Like you talked about where for marketing materials that pulse rate monitor, I guess on Monroe, but, um,
00:51:49
Speaker
It's great. Great scene. Yeah. It's always ah i feel like there's always pressure when the two leads that if one has been chasing the other or they're both pursuing one another and they finally meet, I always feel like there's, you can really do that scene poorly if you don't do it justice. yeah And I was waiting for that because I don't remember how that scene was the first time I watched it, but then watching it, you know, last night, part of tonight, I was like, oh yeah, this They are so themselves.
00:52:15
Speaker
She is scared. he is playful. They're both smart. And just, this is, this is De Niro and Pacino grabbing coffee at the diner. I was just saying, I was, as I was saying, I was like thinking about that in my head. I was like, all right, what are you going to What is it Hot dogs and what is it? Barbecues and ball games. Yeah.
00:52:36
Speaker
I don't know to do much else myself. Oh, all right. Well, ah a lot of time on highlights. So we can move to what was your Ben Gardner jump scare?
00:52:46
Speaker
I love this. i ah Because there's no other way to put it The Ben Gardner jump scare award for me was part two, the title card.
00:52:57
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I fucking jumped out of my seat, dude. All it said was part two in red. But the sound, like, she's looking. I think at this point she sees that he left a note for her in her home. Yes. After the scene or the end of the scene I mentioned that teased earlier, like, left the manila folder.
00:53:13
Speaker
And so we're all intently looking at what's written there and like trying to focus on what she's looking at and then just boom, part two. And I was like, oh fuck, that's the scariest part two I've ever seen in my life.
00:53:24
Speaker
Yes, think that's good because there's there's not a ton of jump scares in this film. And so it's those quick cuts that I think are the jumpiest parts of the film. And that's a great one when they just bring up the the title card part two for the next the film. All of your things then is the name of part two. I'll go with that.
00:53:40
Speaker
um Did you have another one? No, I was just thinking the jump cuts in general. sense well well What about the Polaroid? Remember that she'd look at the Polaroid of long legs and all of a sudden she gets shocked into a flashback with him? You remember that? No. She's in her home. She's in her house. Yes. i do remember now. yeah It got me at least. but Yeah.
00:53:58
Speaker
I wasn't too jumpy today when I rewatched it then. um Today I did watch it during the daytime. So that's my original watch at night. But today, prep for the pod was at... with it was pretty light out so maybe the jumps were blackout curtains tra i know we we do need them um put it on the fact put it on the company card what about our yeah at least the sunday scaries card which has a great uh well we'll get there eventually what about our cantaloupe award okay It happens in the scene that we were just talking about in the interrogation scene.
00:54:30
Speaker
This scene is so much better once you've seen the movie, because everything cryptic that he's saying the first time you watch it, you're like, these are just mumbo jumbo. But when you find out he is a servant of the devil and that he's her mother is implicated, his words as weird as they are, do make sense. You get what he's trying to say.
00:54:50
Speaker
So, but then what still, I, what I still did not remember is when he starts to slam his head on the, onto the table. And I was so tense. So this is one of those rare awards for the, for cantaloupe, which is the, you know, hardest to watch, watch through your fingers. It can be tense or gross.
00:55:06
Speaker
It was both. It was both tense and gross. Because I'm sitting there like, fuck, when's he going to do it? When's he going to do it? When's he going to just slam his head into the fucking table? And then he does it several times and his fucking nose is falling off. And as you know, head trauma really gets me and there's blood everywhere. So rare double cantaloupe award of like, it got the tension, especially your second time you're watching it, plus the grotesque body gore.
00:55:31
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I like it. I like it. i I was probably going back to your jump scare award. I think the scariest part of the film is end of act one or end of part one start of part two. yeah. When she is at her home yeah and she thinks she sees something. She's home alone. She's on the phone with her mom.
00:55:54
Speaker
who you have not seen yet at this point, she thinks she sees something outside. So you're already on alert. She's going outside trying to find the source of it. And these are one of those shots, which we talked about at the beginning of the episode where she is in the foreground and the background of the home. It is night and you can see into her home with the lights on inside the house and you see a shape walking around in her house behind her, which is absolutely terrifying yeah all the way up to when she comes inside and you realize this wasn't just like a dream or hallucination, like whoever, whatever it was, has left an addressed letter to her like on the desk she was just working at.
00:56:28
Speaker
When she's in the kitchen doorway or ah in the kitchen doorway while she's opening the letter, you see a shape of a devil as well. or ah Oh, really? Oh, I missed that. I'll mention there's 10 I'll quickly mention during deep cuts, but there's there's a lot of them.
00:56:41
Speaker
Okay. um yeah Yeah, that was... That's good. yeah even Even second time on rewatch, like having me try to cover cover my eyes a little bit, just peek between the gaps of my fingers. Yeah.
00:56:52
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Yeah. Very Silence of the Lambs-esque. Mm-hmm. right. Cannon fodder. What'd you have for cannon fodder? I had, we already talked about it, but I, I do have his name. Agent Fisk. This was a partner. I had to say one. Played by Dakota Dalby. Just getting blown away when he knocks on that door.
00:57:08
Speaker
is the it is the best one because yeah his whole purpose is to show the lethality of this case and how sudden things can be and unexpected and, he says about what three lines and then just says yeah it's kind of like an exposition case too right because that wasn't even tied to long legs it's just to get an idea for who like a monroe's character oh was it not no i mean it's a different suspect she just goes in and there's some dude who she apprehends in the home I am so glad you said that. It was going one of my dull knives because I was like, didn't how why did they think it was long legs if the guy is up there sitting on his bed? But now that you and we're talking about oh it. was it was just a pure exposition play, which makes it truly a cannon fodder kill. So this is a non-possessed suburban dad that just decided to blow away agents and then just sat on his bed. Yeah. okay
00:57:59
Speaker
Yeah, that's that's why it's great, man. They just do And that's why it caught me like the first time watching it, like just very, very unexpected. Yeah. Like you expect like maybe they're going to comprehend the suspect and it'll reveal that she was right. This is apprehend. Yes.
00:58:14
Speaker
yes hopefully they could comprehend nobody it's hard to understand what someone's saying when they just have a gun in your face what are you are you human are you dancer killers um yeah yes i was expecting a more slow apprehension and instead he just gets blown away so that great cannon well then good that leaves them that leaves an opening for a best death award and i wonder if you have the same thing as me I brought her up earlier, but ah Michelle Choi Lee, who's Agent Browning. This is what I have, Travis. Oh, perfect.
00:58:45
Speaker
Well, this works then. Yeah. So they return to Harker's home at the end of the film to apprehend her mother. See, I used to apprehend this time correctly. um who they've now realized is likely the accomplice.
00:58:56
Speaker
And Harker leaves, you know, Agent Browning in the car. And while Agent Browning's just chilling, she's just like lost in her thoughts, just staring straight ahead.
00:59:09
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You see Harker's mom kind of c circle on the side of the car with a shotgun and and start blasting. It is technically an off-screen killing. We cut away before we see her head get blasted and we just get the sound effect. yeah um So it happens in the scene, but we don't actually see her get blown away. And it's still the the broken glass and the blood everywhere and the horrified face that Micah has.
00:59:32
Speaker
It doesn't even doesn't matter if we don't see it it. It does the job and the tension leading up to it is fucking great. i think yeah i think it's And then there's another shock because Harker's mom circles around to the passenger side of the car. Oh yeah, and then it's double taps. And so from zoomed out, you see her fire the gun into the car again. Yeah.
00:59:48
Speaker
Double tap, baby. Well, one of one of our recent don't go in there's was that they didn't double tap. I think it was. What is it? Michael michael Myers? Yes. She didn't. Yeah. You always you always double tap. See, you know what?
01:00:00
Speaker
Alicia Witt's character has seen Halloween a few times, I think. Yeah. She's got some time on her hands in that cluttered up house. Probably got like six DVDs and VHS of that whole franchise. Yeah, I was trying to, did you ever figure out what she was watching on her TV so obsessed with when Michael Monroe comes to visit? and didn't. It's like a very boring lifestyle.
01:00:16
Speaker
There were so many deep cuts I could have gone with. I just, I picked a few that that I could find. Okay. Well, I think we are in a Shyamalan twist and then deep cuts. Yeah. shael and shaels This is easy one. we can Yeah.
01:00:28
Speaker
Parker's mom is the accomplice. Yeah. Mommy dearest is, is the devil's worker. They keep teasing at long legs has to have some help, has to have some help. And this is where she realizes the case is intimately personal to her own life because it was her mom who.
01:00:42
Speaker
why things keep getting weird gave saved her daughter um what does she keep saying through the film she was uh i i allowed you to grow up i allowed you grow up and then she laughs when she's like yeah actually prayers don't do goddamn shit but you know killing families does that does keep you alive and that's another way to do it um yeah so that's that's the big twist in the film all right rick I'll let you loose here with your deep cuts. right, deep cuts. ah Named by you. Good good category name.
01:01:10
Speaker
Got some double entendre here. So um I'll start with the devils because I keep talking about this. Devils, demons, whatever you want to call them. Typically in the shape of a black shadow, ah sometimes with weird eyes, other times with horns.
01:01:22
Speaker
um If we want to count long legs as an extension of that, we can, but I'll just mention a few of these. ah So we see a shape outside of Lee's home in the woods. I think we're supposed to think that's long legs. could be a demon.
01:01:34
Speaker
I already mentioned the kitchen doorway. um When Lee is in the office making the inverted triangle connection, there's a bang on the window. That is not just a bird. That is a demon. um In the doll workshop, you see one in the corner.
01:01:47
Speaker
ah In the small kitchen door window, when Lee looks at the locked door, um there's a brief flash where you see it. One that I... And some of these I had to look up after. One of these that I do remember very distinctly towards the end, Travis. Did you see that when...
01:02:01
Speaker
They're at Ruby's birthday party and they slam the door. Like when when she walks in and the father slams the door, you see reflection. You saw that one? No, I did not see it. I remember that specific. You see a reflection of a of a demon and it horns and stuff.
01:02:18
Speaker
um the behind the mom in the left corner when she's being tied up in that flashback um when and then again i'll just this will be the last one but uh the behind young lee when she's peaking young lee that sounds like a is that what is young lee why am i is that a person I'm sure someone has that name.
01:02:42
Speaker
You can speculate who that might be. one of One of Asian American descent or just Asian descent. But I don't know. famously on Okay. i young Young Lee Harker.
01:02:53
Speaker
She's peeking through the door watching long legs tie up her mom and... there's like a weird irregular shadow behind her that I think is also one. I'm not totally sure. So there's all your demons have fun counting those. Look at, I would say Google it first so you can kind of try to watch for it or try yourself, but it's a fun game to play.
01:03:11
Speaker
um Okay. Another little Easter egg slash deep cut. Do you remember when long legs goes like, Oh, yeah. He has his hands over his eyes. he's He's randomly in that convenience store where I don't know how that ties into the rest of the film.
01:03:26
Speaker
But yes, he plays the little cuckoo game. I think that was just like, hey, we have an extra day of production. Let's have Cage get weird. Yes, yes. Oh, while I'm telling you this next one, can you look up to see who the actress in the convenience store was? I think that's Perkins' daughter or something. I think i remember I remember reading that that is a family member. i Oh.
01:03:43
Speaker
I could be wrong. I could be wrong. But... um Aside from the obvious connection to craziness or insanity that the cuckoo clock or the cuckoo clock. was Beatrix Perkins. Oh, is it? Okay.
01:03:55
Speaker
Yeah. Great call. Family affair. ah So I didn't know this, but ah so I think the the the overt connection to him doing cuckoo is like he's crazy, right? There's insanity. But...
01:04:08
Speaker
Cuckoo birds are also known to lay eggs in other nests, just like how long legs invades families' lives and putting dolls in there. So, like, I'm going to put this little egg in your home. It's going to kill you. Cuckoo birds lay eggs in other nests.
01:04:24
Speaker
um The car he's driving has a Capricorn bottle opener in Capricorns are born between December 22nd and January nineteenth Obviously Harker was born within that range. She is a Capricorn born on January 14th.
01:04:37
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um And then lastly, I had just the significance of revelation in the movie, like the book of revelation, not revelations, not revelations as many people think.
01:04:49
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ah But they describe a seven head beast that that's like a core motif for the killer um and long legs actions. a lot of apocalyptic imagery representing evil chaos, the end times and long legs kind of thinks that's his catalyst, right?
01:05:04
Speaker
Uh, the kind of crucial understand his ideology. Cause like he's in his mind, he's made, he has found what is his purpose, which is like the devil is going to give him, mortalityity immortality or something. Remember, he's like, I'm going to be everywhere after I die, which is one of my my like quotes I'll mention later.
01:05:22
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um Whereas, oh yeah, it kind of feeds into that ritualistic purpose, right? So his murders aren't random, but they're ritualistic and they enact terror, chaos, what have you.
01:05:33
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And then also, um this is kind of one of those like, oh, it connects retrospectively. But that's after Revelation was already a big prominent part of the script.
01:05:45
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He found a T-Rex song that mentions like teeth of the Hydra and was like, oh, this is going to be in my opening lines because yeah it blends together. that That is a nice tie in there. Yeah. um So that's it. Just, just, i mean, there's a lot. week This could be a whole other segment. I just don't want to, I don't want to bottleneck us or anything, but there's a, there's a lot going on. um Oh, yeah.
01:06:06
Speaker
I'll say one last one. Bill Clinton, we already mentioned, but remember, do you see in the, in the flashbacks, you see old Nixon, you see Dick Nixon in the, in the family home.
01:06:16
Speaker
It's kind of representing that they were in the seventies during those flashbacks. Okay. Every, everyone's house, you have to keep a framed picture the current president. Yeah, exactly.
01:06:26
Speaker
Oh, awesome. All right. Don't go in there. What's your worst character decision here? I just rattled off a bunch of deep cuts. So why don't you start this one? Yeah, I didn't have... It's hard. This was a hard one. I did finally find two, but did you find any?
01:06:40
Speaker
Yeah, i I can relate to most of the characters. I don't think anyone was making extremely right poor decisions. I have some dull knives, which kind of double-debt parables. I want to know what characters you can relate with, Travis, in this movie. Okay, so ah half like I guess who wins here by default is my cannon fodder guy, Agent Fisk.
01:07:00
Speaker
Who, who but what do you do do partner has no idea what she's talking about. Because remember, she's like, don't knock on that door and he dismisses her and is like, you're crazy, but if we'll make you feel better. So he clearly was not rolling up to the door prepared, like hand on the hip, ready to draw his weapon.
01:07:14
Speaker
um He was doing it just to appease her. And maybe that was a poor character decision there. Should have taken his job a bit more seriously. I think that's a good one. Yeah, because he... i Was that before it was discovered that she is half psychic? Because even if so, yeah he still should i think so. I mean, that was the first psychic occurrence we at least witnessed, and there's nothing alluding to how she had done anything like that before then.
01:07:37
Speaker
Well, mine's very similar. It is another agent, Agent Browning, and we already kind of mentioned it, but like, dude, watch your six. like Yeah. Like, like keep her head on a swivel. What is she doing in that car? Again, she's not looking at her phone.
01:07:50
Speaker
Honestly. She's not really looking after Agent Harker. She's just kind of sitting there, like, just lost in the sauce. I'll be honest with you. I think she and Agent Carter were fucking. I think and Blair Underwood's character...
01:08:02
Speaker
We're having an affair and that she's probably just thinking like, what are we going to do next? I can't wait to see this guy. And I hope he isn't, he isn't too taken by Miss Harker here. You're reading a lot into that. then Having my own romantic dalliances, Travis, I'm just in that mode right now, I guess.
01:08:17
Speaker
Okay. That's a, that's a good one though. I do have another don't go in there that could have been a best line. So I'll just use it here because i have a lot of best lines. And that is where the head of the psych award, they're like, hey, do you require IDs to come in here? Because basically somebody signed in as Lee Harker and that wasn't it. And he goes...
01:08:37
Speaker
Hmm, sounds like a good idea, but no, no, we don't. We should do that, though. And I was like, you know what? I appreciate this guy's honesty. He's like, you know, because most corporate people will just be like, oh, well, ah that's an invasion of privacy. And get some bullshit reason. He's like, no, sounds like a good idea, but we don't. yep i like that i also love like it shows you the signature book and like all the other signatures are regular type small and just lee harker in all caps like certain font sizes larger like definitely like a thick sharpie nothing to see here folks um anyways all right best lines all right which one you have
01:09:15
Speaker
Um, so yeah, you mentioned the, uh, the girl at the psych ward using peaches all the time, but I like that. So another one is again, going with my girl, agent Browning played by Michelle Choi Lee.
Exploration of Themes and Tangents
01:09:27
Speaker
and She's trying to clarify, they've captured long legs. They have them in there, but she's trying to say what they can hold them for. And she, she's explaining to a agent Harker. She's like,
01:09:38
Speaker
He worships the devil. That's for sure. In the United States of America, he's allowed to do that. Which I'm like, yeah, that's fair. Didn't have a whole segment on how Satanists are getting the bad rap?
01:09:48
Speaker
yeah Yeah. I think I literally had to trim it down because you went on such a long tangent trying to defend Satanists. was like, man, this isn't a good look for us. You've gone too deep. well look at look Yeah. In the United States of America, hey, if you want to celebrate a little bit Satan, that's okay.
01:10:06
Speaker
We allow that here. ah On that note, I'll mention one that is similar, and that is just a ah classic standard ah straight from Rosemary's Baby.
01:10:17
Speaker
Hail Satan. Oh, yeah. Just a nice, solid delivered. Expertly delivered. it it it really lets us know what this is all about. It's not, I don't think it's cheesy at all. He's just like, i want to shoot you straight. I've been using all these limericks and like cryptic words at the end of the day, fuckers hail Satan.
01:10:36
Speaker
Boom. I love that. I mean, that, that is the best quote in the film. I think I was just looking for deeper, deeper cuts. Um, solar for the sake that that one's so well known, but yeah, that's takes my price for best line.
01:10:49
Speaker
All right. Dull knives, quite a few, in my opinion. a lot of this movie does not make sense to me. Fire away. You can start and then we can alternate if you'd like. Okay.
01:11:01
Speaker
What is the silver ball? There's like the the devil's inside there, like part of his essence? No, there's nothing inside there. That was clearly established. okay But it has some magnetic presence. They wave some scanner over it, which I'm not entirely sure what it was, and it beeps.
01:11:16
Speaker
Why, when they destroy it, there's like black smoke comes out of Micah's head when they destroy her? but I don't know. okay That's for for a guy who says, you know what?
01:11:26
Speaker
You don't have to explain everything. That was the. All right. I don't mean everything, but I'd like to explain some things here. ah Is her being psychic just a way to give us creepy images and for her to be able to help us with the plotting? Because like I don't see her so her being psychic having much bearing other than just like helping us out as the viewer.
01:11:48
Speaker
Yes. I had that exact same dull knife. I don't know why they gave her psychic powers. I think it's to help or something. Especially because the the first scene isn't related to the main case either. So like the one time she really uses her psychic powers is to be like, it's this home.
01:12:04
Speaker
Has nothing to do with the case that defines the rest of the movie. So I'm like, right oh, okay. Like, cool. Well, there's a half psychic. She's half psychic. Yes, yes. Being half psychic is better than not being psychic at all.
01:12:17
Speaker
Love the casual nature they mentioned being psychic, by the way. They can't believe in the devil, but they can believe somebody being type psychic. i I guess it was just used as like a plot device to show like why this upstart young FBI agent has suddenly put on this bigger case.
01:12:31
Speaker
Yes. I am 100% with you. i they already have a few supernatural elements with the devil. like I don't think you needed her being psychic at all as part of this movie. The reason I mentioned it helping us is because there are... so i clocked it There's like three times where she loses herself in a mirror and all of a sudden we're in Longlegs' basement and she has seen him.
01:12:53
Speaker
It usually is on the heels of like seeing all those red snakes or the snakes in the red light. don't know if there's just like a chance to... make them feel more connected or like, I don't know.
01:13:04
Speaker
That was, um, what's one? What's the other one you have? I really only, well, that was one. my only other one is The MO of this guy, they established very early on. He is targeting girls with their birthday on the 14th and they decided to wait to the very end of the movie.
01:13:24
Speaker
Harker and her boss, Agent Carter, to both share that Harker's birthday is on that date as well as Agent Carter's daughter. It should be like, Hey, is it this weird that we all have birthdays around this time? I have a alarm fire here. Yeah.
01:13:38
Speaker
Good job, FBI. I just can't believe that is the MO or the killer, and they don't even mention the very end of film. Well, would make more sense if this was under Cash Patel's FBI of 2025.
01:13:49
Speaker
twenty twenty five But this is the 90s, man. ah Things were popping back then. I don't know who the head of the FBI was. i don't know. Was it still- ah William S. Sessions.
01:13:59
Speaker
Looks like a dweeby CPA. Sorry, Jeff. Bummer. You're a CPA, right? I am. But now you're real estate guy. Yeah. That's me. I haven't done my real estate plug yet for the episode. You haven't.
01:14:11
Speaker
and That's going to be me when I go from being film guy to mental health therapist. So... You'll always be plugging films to your patients or you'll always be plugging counseling stuff when we talk about movies. Yes.
01:14:24
Speaker
I'm doing both. A little cross-selling. Right. um All right, Trav, here's what I think you might like. um Since when is a coroner also a specialist in like porcelain dolls? like This guy had all these synthetic hair of like verbs or like definitions he was using. And he was very taken by the craftsmanship. like, this guy deals in biological dead bodies. What is he?
01:14:50
Speaker
How is he the guy for dolls? but it It was very confusing because the first doll they unearthed is so lifelike. You think it might actually be a real person. And then that's only reinforced when it cuts to a scene where there's a coroner yeah an autopsy.
01:15:05
Speaker
you're like, oh, wait, this is just a coroner poking around at a doll. But is that not a complete waste of that guy's time and energy? Like, yeah clearly he's enjoying it. Maybe it's a side hobby. Maybe he's cornered with a weird American doll. If the FBI asks, I guess you're like, all right, this isn't really my wheelhouse. Again, that is not a William S. Sessions FBI ask. That is a Cash Patel ask. Why are you sending a fucking doll to the coroner? I just don't understand. Do you think the scene would have, like, you said it to If like they show up at like an American girl doll, like warehouse and they're like ah super out there, like yes about this doll. And it's a Geppetto or something, you know, like not the coroner.
01:15:42
Speaker
Do you have any more? I have like one more. let you No, no. Keep them going. what So why didn't, why didn't Lee? so The devil and long legs make it clear that like, if you don't kill the whole family, then Lee and her mother burn in hell forever, I guess is the punishment.
01:16:02
Speaker
Well, Carol Ann didn't die. So why wasn't she punished? Or did that happen before, ah before her, ah Lee's mother got involved? Because she's still alive. Why was... Yeah, I...
01:16:14
Speaker
it That is a good point where I'm not entirely sure the chronology of what happened first. And like, well, maybe Carol Ann made a similar deal because she's kind of like buddy buddy with long legs. Right. They have a point to talk with her. So maybe like, you know, she she made her own deal at a later point.
01:16:30
Speaker
I don't know. what the terms of this deal are. I don't know how Lee got packaged in with her mom if she wasn't a party to the deal. Like, I guess she's a minor, so your parents can sign off on your rights. Lee is not an active participant in all this.
01:16:44
Speaker
Okay, so so if Lee's mom doesn't follow through, correct Lee's not damned to an internal suffering. is i'm saying i'm saying So she is a liability. Oh, I'm sorry. you I thought you meant like Lee's role, like what's her active role in helping the devil? You just mean...
01:17:01
Speaker
she is ah she suffers the consequences, even though she's not an actor. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. ah She kind of got roped into her mom. Sounds like, I'm glad you mentioned this up the deal. I still don't understand the deal. Like, so if, if the mother is dropping the dolls off is long legs only roll to make the dolls and then be creepy with notes and stuff. He is your Geppetto.
01:17:21
Speaker
He's the Geppetto. All right. Sorry. I know I'm piling on the last one here. What? So Lee has a weird but seemingly close relationship with her mother.
01:17:34
Speaker
Did she just never go through her trunk of things? And then also, did she ever never see Longlegs' car in the and the carport? like Yeah. Well, I'll raise you one here.
01:17:47
Speaker
She has a seemingly close relationship with her mom. Has she never been back home and realized that they have a locked off basement she can't access? Yeah, right. With a cockroach coming out of it. Like, huh, wonder what's down there.
01:17:59
Speaker
My childhood home. I still don't know what's down there. You know, want to put this delicately. As with having a family member who is a hoarder, it it is crazy how Things can just get lost and like doors to stay closed forever because you're just like, fuck, I just, you're saying that's normal.
01:18:21
Speaker
You come home and you're like, I just know not to go in the basement. Not sure what's down there, but I'm saying it is normal to visit a ha hoarder's home. And like, there's just places you not just don't want to go, but can't like it's blocked off. There's too many boxes. Physically unable. Okay. Correct. So yeah. Yeah. Anyways, lot of holes, but still love the movie.
01:18:42
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All right. Winners and losers. Go for it.
01:18:47
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Winners. Cyphers. I love good police procedurals, especially when you got decode something and then seeing how they decode it. So always fun. Yeah. And they don't always show you how.
01:18:59
Speaker
and it Because it's hard. You don't want to spend 15 minutes. trying to discipher something But this one, they at least go to the links to show like the shape of the triangle and the dates and like it's six numbers apart. i thought that was cool.
01:19:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It was enough. It was enough. um What I had was a great nickname for Satan. Okay, so we've heard the devil. Yes, we've got Lucifer. We've got Beezlebub. We've got Lord of Lies. We've got Prince of Darkness.
01:19:25
Speaker
But here, Mr. Downstairs, that's fucking badass, dude. That was one of my winners as well. I love it. Mr. Downstairs. That's just like, it's clean. says all you need to say very quickly. You get it.
01:19:38
Speaker
I'm going start using that actually. Going back to like the glam rock vibes, like a name like Mr. Downstairs feels very glam rock. It does. It really does. You can see David Bowie having a Mr. Downstairs song. Yeah.
01:19:49
Speaker
um All right. Winner villains who willingly let themselves get taken into police custody. Name some name. Do you name some? You got the Joker in the Dark Knight. You got Kaiser Sose and the usual suspects. And so it's always fun to be like, wait, he's just letting himself get arrested. Like, you know, there's going be some angle. It's not really over yet.
01:20:10
Speaker
um It's always like that in my movies. You also have ah from the the other Batman film, the Batman ah with the Riddler Paul Dano's character gets caught and then unleashes his plan where all floods happen and stuff. This is just a common thing in Batman movies. um Chancellor Palpatine in episode three, Reds of the Sith.
01:20:30
Speaker
So he allows himself to get arrested and then... Boom. Interrogated and then convinces Anakin to kill Mace Windu. Exactly. And you're right. Batman theme here again.
01:20:42
Speaker
Bane, I guess this was different because he's already in captivity when we see him. But he did let off screen. He let himself get in captivity and handcuffed to be in that plane to do his. They're going to be looking for two bodies. What does he say? At the very start, a dark night rises. Yes. What does he say?
01:20:59
Speaker
They need two bodies. of Okay. I had one more winner. Yeah. that When long legs, so kind of related to your point of, or your award of um the scene where long legs gets himself caught.
01:21:13
Speaker
There is a ah two two groups of cop cars converging in on long legs to apprehend him. Okay? um The one on the left, we actually see officers get out, and there's one guy who is center frame, a power shot, so we ah it's ah it's an upward angle from the floor looking up, and he looks very strong.
01:21:34
Speaker
That guy gives one of the strongest points I've ever seen in a movie. A power point? A power point. Not Microsoft, a true power space point.
01:21:46
Speaker
He's just like... Get on the fucking ground. was like, hell yeah. Like this guy's got some boys. We got him. Oh, I was just like, this guy is in control.
01:21:58
Speaker
And i don't know. I was just, I was very, i was very impressed with the point. Very powerful point. My only other winner is ah the end credits rolling from top to bottom. Yes! ah Oh, I'm you said this. You gotta have a little bit of hell here. You gotta invert it.
01:22:15
Speaker
I'm so glad you said That was fun. Alright, losers? I only had one loser, and ah that was just T-Rex being associated with Longlegs. Just a bit of a loss for him. i mean, good good for the band to get rediscovered.
01:22:30
Speaker
Any press is good press, right? Any press is good press, but Longlegs is a tough sell. I don't think you want to see him in your autograph line or at your in your fan subreddits like that's just not someone you want to be associated with so i thought i only have two then but um loser is those people who lather on way too much foundation just not a good look for long legs a little makeup heavy there uh our our friends in l la are probably very um you know very offended right now
01:23:00
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, our our president likes to ah say what you will about his politics, but he he probably lays it on a little thick there, it looks like. You don't say little Agent Orange.
01:23:12
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It looks good. It's bronzer. It's just bronzer. Right. It looks totally natural and and not unhealthy. That's one loser. Other loser, people have their birthdays on the 14th of the month. What a downer. Oh, yeah.
01:23:25
Speaker
What a downer. we have any friends that- Well, I just bring it up because my birthday is on the 13th. So o I am unaffected. But those people who are born a day later, sucks. so Sucks to suck.
01:23:36
Speaker
Finally, our Scream King, Scream Queen, sorry. um Could be equally either set i You can convince me of Osgood Perkins. You could because if it's his vision, his family.
01:23:52
Speaker
i think I did something similar with Del Toro where it's like, i whereas he did have a few blemishes, I think, in making this movie, I do think Micah Monroe was flawless in this. Like, i given what their jobs were as writer director and as actress, both did phenomenally. I think I docked some points from Osgood from some missteps or messiness, like some window dressing that i don't think like fully pans out again. Still love the movie. it was my fourth or fifth favorite horror film of that year.
01:24:20
Speaker
Micah Monroe to me does no wrong here. She is so there's so many nuanced little expressions she makes. She is consistent throughout. She's a fully lived in character. And I just want to prop her up because the two horror films I've seen her in, she is just phenomenal. So that is my pick. Yeah. I can get behind that. My short list was exactly that. i was good.
01:24:40
Speaker
Perkins, Michael Monroe in the cage, because again, he just, Oh yeah. I don't even know why I didn't think about that. He was like last year's aunt Gladys, right? Yeah. Like what aunt Gladys did to fund or costumes, just very memorable horror villains. That was him in 2024. So those are my three.
01:24:59
Speaker
I think Cage has been there, done it before with a few other performances.
Future Podcast Plans and Spooky Awards
01:25:03
Speaker
I think we're leaving the door open for Osgood Perkins to maybe get it when we cover Keeper next week. Right, right. So I am with you. Let's give it to Micah Bond Roque. I think she wait she did phenomenal in her role.
01:25:14
Speaker
Yeah. And she does really good. It just captivates me in in every scene that she's in. and so well that it has people speculating whether she's playing a character on the spectrum or not. Hey, more, more power, no official word, no official word, just complete conjecture. Like, I don't know. Someone said she might be on the spectrum. We have not heard, uh, the reps from Micah Monroe and Oscar Perkins have not got back to us, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
01:25:37
Speaker
Um, so follow us on at the Sunday, scary. Dot pod on Instagram, as well as,
01:25:48
Speaker
sunscaries on Twitter. And next week we have, as Travis has mentioned, Keeper by Osgood Perkins, which should be a fun time. I don't know. Probably our last new release we're covering. Yes. Oh yeah, it will be. Yeah.
01:26:03
Speaker
Cause we'll do some Christmas releases. Not to be said yet. We'll do. Oh, yeah, because then we have Thanksgiving. We have Thanksgiving. um Then we have a break. And then we have two Christmas releases before we have our first annual Spooky Awards.
01:26:17
Speaker
kit Travis, can you explain to listeners? for like Maybe this is somebody's first time listening to pod. Can you explain what the Spooky Awards are? Yeah, so this is our awards for for horror. I know there's Saturn awards and more typical words for like best actor. And we we have some of those as well. But we've made award categories just like we do in every episode for notable horror tropes of you know, the best scare of the year, the best cover your eyes moment of a film or watch the gaps in your fingers, the the best cannon fodder death. And so
01:26:51
Speaker
this is a chance for us to highlight from the films we've covered as well as plenty of 2025 releases that we didn't have an episode dedicated to some of our favorite moments of the year. So we will list our nominees as well as pick winners for 2025 in total.
01:27:05
Speaker
yeah That will be our last episode of the year before we take a break as well for the Christmas and New Year's holiday. And we'll, we'll we'll try you know, we we haven't really discussed at length how we're going to do it, but we should make it a little awardsy. You know, we'll have some have some fun little... was planning on dressing up.
01:27:20
Speaker
Yeah, I'll dress up. I'll put a tie on. I'm in my closet right now. like Honestly, it's pretty low effort to just throw a suit on behind me. Thank you guys for listening. We will see you next week.
01:27:46
Speaker
What are you doing? um just I'm filling this bottle up with some gas. going to do a little... You ever do this?
01:27:54
Speaker
Don't blow yourself up. This could be our last pod. I mean, I could pod with one hand. Let's do a lot of things with one hand.