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158: A Visit from the Stars
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Hey cryptic cuties, thanks for sticking with us through all the wild tech problems lol, we love you all. We hope things run a little smoother from here on out.
This week we come in peace; bringing tales of alien abductions, weird encounters and murder mysteries, with a tangent or 2 along the way. Kelsey covers the Pascagoula Incident, where 2 men on a fishing trip experience more than just a relaxing evening after work. Alanna wraps things up with the bizarre death of Zigmund Adamski and one of the investigators, Alan Godfrey. It's a wild one, so be sure to tune in.
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Technical Challenges in Podcasting
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Startcast Network. Welcome to the dark side of podcasting.
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So you are listening to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alanna. And I'm Kelsey. And ah we think we're back. We're hoping we're going to be back right after the pirate episode? Episodes? Oh my god. Yeah. Accidental episode series.
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oh Yeah. i yeah I like that you mentioned that we had talked about in there about, oh, we were having technical difficulties. So we recorded this on a different day. Little did we know it was going to be posted in a different week as well. and It was hilarious yet painful to listen back to as I was like, it's a different day for us. yeah Like seven times I felt like I may have even cut cut one time out. Maybe that's why I had a difference where I was like, at the end of it, we were off by like a couple seconds when I was editing our audio. Yeah, it just, Jesus.
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Financial and Intellectual Property Considerations
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Yeah, I really had, The one I was telling Kelsey all ready to go edited just in time. I'm not saying I didn't leave it till like Thursday evening and then get it all edited, but then it was a whole post-production issue and... Yeah!
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We didn't really understand. We've been working out the kinks ever since we kind of like moved to the new one in June when we took the time off. And we're like, oh, yay. we're We to be more professional now. So you've got to move away from the free stuff, but then you've got to kind of figure out what you're doing.
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Yeah, and discovering ah your your episodes are too long for the free stuff that Zencaster may or may not provide on a monthly basis. and You need an unlimited plan. Yeah, it's like damn, even Zencaster's like, damn, your episodes too long.
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me not understanding it was costing us like literal credits. Yeah. Kind of, but not really paying attention to that part of it. Just as long as the episode got out, I was like, yay. Yeah. And then we're like buying credits and yeah, charging stuff and being like, uh, it's just chaos. i don't like No, it's like, I totally get it when podcasters like,
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so yeah you guys that don't can donate on patreon and subscribe and you really keep us going we couldn't do it without you because yeah sometimes we have to use literal patreon funds to get the episodes out because they want us to pay money yeah produce them more like ah Yeah, it's about to be like probably at least $25 a month for us to keep going. so Let me yeah stretch my imaginary collar. Yes, unexpected ah ah fun. so
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yeah I think we just like, yeah, we kind of relied on the free stuff because you can just get started or whatever on your phone. But then after a while you're like, I guess we have to move to these bigger platforms or they change things. And then you're like, yeah, I don't know. It's for the best probably. Right. Cause when you're on the free ones, it's probably like, they're
Advancements in Podcast Production Techniques
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like, by the way, they might own your intellectual property. And you're like, that's not good. These are our episodes. Yeah. So it's probably good that we're on like more official hosting platforms, but
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It's been tough and we apologize for all the craziness and how the one episode probably just like ended kind of abruptly. And then I was like, well, that's going to be another episode next week. Yeah, we are. We are doing your best. We're trying. Oh, and in the addendum to the episode last week, because when I was listening to it, I was like, I'm telling Kelsey all this shit. And I told her that Anne Bonny lived to like 84. And then she's like, and we're like, that's crazy.
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And you were like, she survived like childbirth. And then I was like, but I didn't even say she went on to have like eight more kids with her new husband. Oh my God. I know I had like, I like listened back to it when I was editing. and I was like, I missed this. notes. That's crazy. That's a lot. yes Yeah. Yeah. If you guys haven't listened, like she had a crazy life. That was pretty interesting.
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Yeah, i think i I think on Facebook when I just posted it, when I got home from work, ah you know what? Having YouTube automatically post our episode is the best thing. It It works now since I like messaged with that person for a week straight back and forth. ah I don't know what time zone they're in, but clearly we're not in the same time zone because it was ah hard. but And our YouTube videos aren't even videos, like they're just us with the audio, basically. Yeah, and that's exactly what Pinkpester is supposed to like automatically post. So we figured out it was kind of like mix up error kind of thing when we
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like moved everything over. It kind of duplicated a couple of episodes. So that was stopping it from uploading new ones to YouTube. That's fixed now. So it uploads within a couple minutes of it posting. It like now uses the thumbnail, makes a little video, uses the same description upload. So then when I have time, I just go in and I just edit kind of the description a little bit to add a few more like links and stuff to it.
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add it to a couple like playlists whether it's this like paranormal one or whether it's true crime and then uh okay what I add
The Pascagoula Alien Abduction Story
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like the ending screen so that it like recommends different videos and then yeah it's oh you have to do that you don't know how this the tube of you works for those parts ah yeah it's not bad so like what used to be like I don't know at least a couple hours like running in the background um is now what I got home nothing was set up I did all of it and then like stopped it was half an hour
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now, like start to finish between so funny like especially ah posting on the website, posting on YouTube, posting on Facebook, saving the audio, like but all that kind of stuff. It was about half an hour. oh yeah So much nicer than the two hours plus it used to be on a Friday, like trying to get everything ready before or afterward all the time.
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Oh, yeah, the social medias that I don't know how the tubes works for the because you always do that night. That's so funny because I was just saying that when we were watching something on YouTube on the big TV kind of over supper and it was funny because rain was um expressing some opinions because it was made by the one called the AI guy who does like a D and&D campaign where it's it's Joe Rogan and it's it's Gordon Ramsay and it's Mike Tyson and it's like so they use AI to do their voices and stuff and I'm not sure how much of like the script um because you know obviously you have to give it some directives but like
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Oh, she was cute. And she could probably hear me right now. But Rain was like, No, it's just this guy's just lazy. He's just using AI to do everything. And I'm like, I don't know how YouTube works, but I'm pretty sure there's probably still a bit of a work involved. But she's like also quite the animator. So she puts in quite a bit of work from things from start to finish. But it's like, it's the same thing where their video is not doing anything. It's just like, say, a ah screenshot of like, Gordon Ramsay as his D&D character whose name is Rahr and he's a barbarian and there's like skulls beside him and he's kind of dressed in like, yeah you know, a crazy outfit or whatever. but You still have to like do the timing and everything of it. Like you would still have to say from this second to this second, this person needs to be on screen. This second to the second. and Right. And then telling the
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the plot of the campaign because there's still a story. Anyway, I'm just, there's still, yeah there's always a lot of work involved in a lot of things. So it's just, yeah. funny Yeah. We're, we're getting there guys. We'll, we'll figure out, we'll, we'll be legit soon. Maybe we'll, yeah. Maybe we'll have more videos on YouTube of us actually, um, recording and stuff when we ah figure out lighting and stuff.
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Yeah, right? When I don't have like the sun on my ceiling. ah I hate art. It's always terrible. mine I'm like, oh no. Earlier I turned the light on and then the computer still didn't catch up and I was like, I'm in shadow. I can't see anything. I'm in darkness. At least gor Gordo's over there. So he's chilling. I saw him get up on his little cat tree. I was like, oh my god.
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ah Gordo the Great has decided to nap like a normal cat. ah Yes, oh my god. Just driving me and insane the last couple days. Like crazy. I left in some Gordo shenanigans in the last episode. Yeah. You informed me there was a lot. I do not recall. It's been a hundred years. but
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what he was doing. It was just, it was the, courtd oh, other than he was shaking the screen a lot because he was nuzzling and. Oh, yes.
The Mysterious Case of Zigmund Adamski
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you That wasn't really like interrupting the recording. So I'm just being kind of cute and stuff. And I was like, Oh, looks like then as it were, I'm having an earthquake in my in my house.
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And it was one of those where I was like, yeah, it's, it's almost harder to cut things out when. Sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it was a shorter episode because then it was just my half of things too. So then it was like, I need to, this banter actually is all fine. And then we talked about books a bit and it's all good.
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All right. Well. What do you guys want to hear about this week? Is it aliens? Because it's going to be aliens. It is. What's that one? If you think it's not, it's going to be aliens. Something. It's always aliens. Beam me up, Scotty. You take me away from this stupid existence. oh Oh my god. I feel that, yeah. Yeah. Mine's kind of abduction-y, but who's to say? You can be the judge.
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but but Ooh. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I have one. I don't know if you've heard of it. I'm sure you have. You're you're more up to date with the alien stuff than I am. This one's pretty popular. Oh, and is it new? ah No. Oh, OK.
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I wonder. Yeah. ah Do I know it?
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You probably do. it I should have looked up for how I pronounced this. No. Does it not take place in Canada?
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takes place in Mississippi. ah past ah who Pascagoula? Pascagoula, Mississippi. Yeah, I was like, she'll know by the name. Yeah, yeah, that sounds familiar. And that also sounds correct. I don't, I don't know. There's another way you could pronounce it. I don't think sweet. I was guessing.
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uh i didn't really run into like a cool name i think most places maybe it's like the pascagoula vent or something like that but right i was thinking like the incident yeah because they usually just attack on incident at the end of it oh probably oh most of these kind of occurrences and then Gordo came in shook the thing and it was the Gordo incident 2024.
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live footage uh it always reminds me of the anything to anytime anything shakes especially if there's the the glass the like the liquid in the glass it's like the Jurassic Park when you stomp like the New York's is stopping the liquids just moving yeah it's amazing never gets old uh so this took place on the evening of October 11th 1973 involving Charles Hickson, who was 42,
UFO Encounters and Conspiracy Theories
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and Calvin Parker Jr., who was 18 or 19 at the time, and their lives changed forever.
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canton
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Never again were they the same! yeah ah They were like frantically recounting to authorities at the Sheriff's Department how earlier in the evening they had been abducted by aliens while fishing along the banks of the Pascagoula River.
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Okay, so they're fishing, right? Yeah. I like it when they make fun of it in the Simpsons, when after they abduct Homer for a bit. they throw him back down into like a rowboat and then they start spraying him with rum and he's like, yum, why? And they're like, so no one will believe your story, Rummy. You're spraying him with alcohol.
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yeah um There's also a really, really funny, I think it's an alien abductions skit that they did on SNL involving Kate McKinnon.
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And it is so funny. She's so good. do I can't remember who else was in it. They had some celebrity, like their normal like weekly guest. I can't remember. It's like sitting beside her and they break so many times. And so do most of the people. I'm pretty sure Kate McKinnon is sitting there like talking about how she got probed.
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And everybody's
Humorous Reflections on Podcasting Topics
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just losing it. And she has such a straight face. It's so funny. How though? Yeah. She's like a Jason Bateman of the SNL. Cause he's like, people be like, how'd he get through Arrested Development and didn't laugh at anyone? Like you're always like this, like, you know, this quote unquote straight man of comedy where you're like, your character's not crazy and you.
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you don't laugh at anybody or whatever and he's like I would have to like some people you have to like stare at like a nostril because anything else you can't you're gonna you're gonna completely break out laughing yeah um I'll try and find the video I'll send it to you it's so funny nice Yeah, so they're recounting this to police. They say that each of the men had a puncture wound in one of their arms. oh And police were interviewing them, I think together and sometimes separately, trying to get them to change their stories, ah catch them in a lie or contradicting each other.
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ah But none of this worked and the men were ended up actually being able to pass polygraph tests later. think one thing i draft him wow yeah I think one thing I read said that one of them declined to do a polygraph, but most of the other stuff I read said that they did them. but We know they aren't reliable. What are we trying to do this for? Yeah. Okay.
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um So in 1973 when this was all happening or before it happened, Hickson, the young older the two, was Parker's foreman at a shipyard and the two had decided after work they wanted to go fishing together down at this abandoned boat launch. and Not my idea of an after work good time but okay. I guess if there's the year yeah Yeah, I think that's more hanging out with your friend with some beer. Sometimes when I get off work in the summer or whatever right now, it's like almost fall and you're like, I just want to be outside. You feel like you've been stuck inside all day. Yeah, it sucks. Yeah.
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ah They ended up remaining there until the sun had gone down at about six in the evening. It was just starting to get dark, but it did say that the moon was pretty bright that night.
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um I do and ended up finding a bunch of pretty good quotes and stuff. This one was from Hickson. He said, ah I was just getting ready to get some more bait. um When I heard a kind of zipping sound, I looked up and saw a blue flashing light. ah Calvin turned around too. We saw an 80 foot long object with a little dome on top.
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80 foot long yeah something first s thing i read said 30 and then everything else i saw said 80 so yeah it sounds huge wait we're yeah i know we're canadian and we do work in meters and kilometers but we still do like height and weight normally the same as Americans, where I'm like, I'm 5'4". I don't know how many centimeters I have or whatever. And that sounds crazy. Yeah. yeah and I don't know exactly. Yeah, really big. 1830 is a big difference. That's for sure. Right? Yeah. I was like, that's more than trouble. That's like too bad.
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yeah
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They said it was kind of shaped like a football and it was emitting a blinding light and made very little sound only a sort of hissing noise. um He said at first they thought it was coming from some sort of law enforcement officer coming to tell them to leave the property. ah So they were Oh, got really creeped out when they kind of paid more attention to it, I guess. Sure. Yeah. The object was just hovering above the ground. Um, I did have probably two of my best sources. One of them was the, is it Clarion Ledger? Um,
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I think they're like fairly local um newspaper kind of online, probably newspaper. They did a bunch of interviews with the boys like after, which was cool. Yeah. um It said that Parker, or from Clarion Ledger, it said Parker said three legless creatures floated from the craft.
00:20:48
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Yeah, they have no legs. I've never heard about aliens not having legs before. That was interesting. Are we sure they didn't mean Legolas? Because he was a hot elf. And we've heard some aliens described as like the hot, like, you know, like Thor looking guys.
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In fact, there was one named Valiant Thor, I'm pretty sure in some story. I don't know that we've covered it before. No. ah One had no neck with gray wrinkled skin. Another had... I'm gonna just refer to that one as no neck and the other one has neck. The whole roster of WWE superstars. This guy's got no neck but he's thick.
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None of them have legs, okay? Just follow me. None of them have legs. One of them has a neck. The other one doesn't. ah
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another had Another one had a neck and appeared more fe feminine. ah Parker described there their hands as being shaped like mittens or crab claws. No, chameleon. They have little mitten hands. oh Yeah, they do. They are pretty cute.
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hello
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I don't know, this is a little weird. Yeah. When one of the creatures put one of its claws around his arm, Parker said he was terrified, but then another feeling came over his body. Quote, I think they injected us with something to calm us down. I was kind of numb and went along with the program. Oh no, if I get in.
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yeah Once they were levitated inside the craft, Because they didn't walk, they got levitated inside. They underwent a physical examination by something that looked like a big eye. Well, they heard this constant mechanical buzzing sound in the room the whole time. What? With the eye of Sauron looking on? An eye? You said that, right? Yeah, it's like a big eye. It makes me think of like...
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um Did you ever watch Eagle Eye with Shia LaBeouf and I can't remember the girl's name? Oh, it's a movie maybe back in the day. Yeah, it's probably at least 15, 18 years old now. ah But yeah, it was like kind of like an AI thing that they developed. It was supposed to Monitor for attacks or something? Through like what sounds of God's eye faster than furious Probably yeah, it was like so all no um yeah through like CCTV footage or something and that ended up just taking control of all of the technology Oh For sure, of course it is evil Yeah
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ah As suddenly as they were picked up they were dropped back off right back at the riverbank where they started ah This I thought was really really creepy and it wasn't really talked about a lot um But it said that Hickson says that he found Parker standing up with his arms raised to the sky and screaming Like that's how he regained consciousness there Yeah, Parker was standing there his arms raised in the up towards this guy and just screaming. No. And there's no follow up. There's no explanation for that. I thought that I think that's really creepy. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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I don't know what vibes that's giving, but it's not good. Yeah, I don't like it. The pair ran for help um and then ended up at like the police station and they're interviewing them. At first the investigators thought the men had might have been drunk or just lying after it After interviewing them, they left the room and had left behind this tape recorder that was still running, ah hoping to catch the men ah dropping the act when they left them alone, kind of saying, oh, okay like talking about something else or talking about how they're going along with the lies or they're believing us, something like that. Yeah. The way they'll like put an undercover police officer in a holding cell with somebody and he'll confess something. Yeah. It's like, sure. Yeah.
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ah But no such luck as they continued to scott to discuss what they had seen and how scared they were. There was a quote from Jackson County Sheriff Captain Glenn Ryder, who was interviewed in 1975 by The Post. He said, quote, we did everything we knew to try and break their stories. If they were lying to me, they should be in Hollywood.
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likey Apparently nobody has ever lied to this sheriff and gotten away with him believing them, I guess, I feel like. I feel like you wouldn't want to say, you you can't lie to me. I can always tell when somebody's lying to me because I'm like, well, you probably can.
00:26:17
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BS meters going off. We just rewatched role models. Well, Pat was going to put on, this is 40. And I was like, I love that one. Love a Judd Apatow. But didn't we just watch this one? And then he put on role models. I was like, you just want to watch Paul Rudd. And so he did. And then, wait. I like that maybe. Oh, no, Jane Lynch. She's all like, you can't BS a BSer. And all her scenes are like, you're BS me. And they're like,
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I don't know what you're... Okay, sure. We're just trying to get that thing signed. Yeah. though That movie taught me what LARPing was. I didn't know what LARPing was before that movie. That movie ended. Nerd era.
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Yeah, I'm pretty sure it was that movie and like one other that came out around the same time that both involved LARP. Oh, it's heavy on Oh, yeah, because they're then they have to they get in trouble a lot and they get to be like,
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the big brothers to their little guys and the ones really into yeah the Larping and the the king is Ken Jeong and oh you must kneel on a fork at Burger King. Yes, he's at Burger King. Love it. And then spoiler, like what after McLovin like wins it all, then like his crush comes out of nowhere and goes I killed you! And he was like, whoa! Queen Elspeth or whatever her name is, yeah. ah Yeah. Damn. Yeah, that movie was sponsored by LARPing and like Red Bull. it Yes. Or whatever that energy drink company was.
00:28:04
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they It's a like a Minotaur, is there? Yeah, yes it's very much Red Bull but not Red Bull. yeah so good um Anyway, back to aliens.
00:28:19
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ah So I guess overnight the story became national news. ah News conferences were held and cameras turned on Hickson and Parker um as it kind of went into the public eye. There was a UFO investigator from Northwestern University who flew down and said that their story checked out. So official I don't even have their name. Just a UFO.
00:28:48
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All right, he verified. Yeah, this this unknown UFO investigate from Northwestern University, verified. Giving like the slow frowny face where you're like, all right, okay, sure. Oh, well, skeptics called them liars and Hixon, and said Hixon was experiencing, I thought this was really weird, sleep paralysis with
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Hypnagogic hallucinations, which I was like, why would he fall asleep while fishing on a riverbank? But anyway. ah Is he a dad over the age of 35? It can happen. He's a narcoleptic. So this hypnagogic. It's a dad nap. I'm just dressing my eyes.
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hipp is it Yeah, I've heard of this thing because- Hypnagogic? I never have, I didn't know what this was. It said it refers to the phenomenon where individuals experience surreal dreamlike episodes during the transition between being awake and falling asleep. So kind of like like sleep paralysis type things, but I was like, again, he is it's 6pm, they're fishing, why would he be fucking falling asleep?
00:30:10
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No, it just sounds like a fancy term that involves the word I had heard is the hypnagogic or whatever. Yeah, it's a weird word. I know, I love it. And also, I've heard it like hypnagogic jerk or something like that. And it's like if you're starting to fall asleep and your body doesn't like twitch thing. Oh, yeah. That's what they call it. They call it a hypnagogic jerk. And once I learned that, I was like, oh, that's so cool. That's happening to me. Yeah, it's just weird. Yeah.
00:30:40
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but like Okay, sure. Kind of sounds like they're it's maybe reaching for a bit of an explanation. Yeah. And then they said Parker, who was younger, was just highly suggestible. So he's like, we got abducted by aliens. And Parker's like, yeah, sure, of course. Okay.
00:31:00
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you know ah However, people believe that believed in UFOs flooded the town by thousands and ended up sitting all night in the area um where they were fishing like on the hoods of their cars and kind of waited to see if anything reappeared in I think probably like the days and weeks leading up.
00:31:21
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After? A real good tailgate and party. Everyone. Yeah, I mean that'd be kind of fun. yeah um Hixson was well-o. Sorry. Hixson was well-o. Jackson was well known in the community and he spearheaded the pair's media campaign. He appeared on Johnny Carson and Dick Cavett. I don't know who that is, but apparently he also has a TV show or something. I don't know.
00:31:59
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Sounds familiar, but like it's no Dick Van Dyke. And where he recounted the pair's experience to anyone who would listen. And in 1983, he published a book about their encounter. ah Parker, who was younger again, like 18 or 19 at the time, was more reserved of the pair.
00:32:20
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ah He was newer to the community, having moved from an even smaller town fairly recently, and he was just trying to make some extra money before he went back home where he was from to get married. And he's like, and I got fucking abducted by an alien!
00:32:37
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oh yeah That's like the classic. I wasn't even supposed to be at work that day and then something shitty happens. yeah um He told the media, ah Parker did, that he passed out at the beginning and couldn't even remember what had happened.
00:32:55
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But this ended up being the only lie that Parker says he told about the encounter as later he said in 2018 that he did remember what happened and was so afraid that the aliens had infected him with something that when he got home from the sheriff's department he ended up taking a bath in bleach. Which is not good. I thought that was crazy.
00:33:20
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Yeah, he was like so, so scared. And that was like after talking to the thought. I hope it was diluted bleach. How do you have that much bleach? It would have to be because your skin would blister and everything pretty quickly. But even diluted bleach, you can't do that. No, no, you get into a pool that has like too much chlorine and your skin is freaking out. So yeah, you must.
00:33:44
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um But that yeah that sucks though. i mean He's he he scared or whatever. like I get it. Yeah, exactly. Within a few weeks he ended up fleeing town. He did end up getting married, started working in oil fields and would for the next like few decades basically quit anytime at work somebody recognized who he was or would like figure out that he um Was involved in this and if they asked him about it he would just like quit and then Involved it got bad enough Sometimes he had to like move and him and his wife had to like move towns and stuff to get away from it again But like just because he couldn't stand people asking or like I don't really know I think he just didn't want to talk about it because he was so scared like he didn't want aliens to come back for him or anything and
00:34:41
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Yeah, I can see that. If it's traumatic enough, I don't know what your response is going to be or whatever. And then I think around that this was maybe just before the whole men in black type thing where it was like, yeah, the government's going to come after you if you got abducted by aliens too. So there might have been some. And we've heard enough stories where, yeah, weird people do come after you. Yeah.
00:35:07
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so Yeah, that's not unreasonable either. Damn. From WashingtonPost.com, because they were like my next best source. That's what I said. Car-hitting journalism. the yeah If Hickson was trying to get rich from the story, it didn't work. Parker told the son Harold that before Hickson's death in 2011, he occasionally paid the older man's electric bill um
00:35:39
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Parker, who was now in his 60s, had opened up more recently and in 2018 published a book and then later a second one at the urging of his wife, Wannett.
00:35:51
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um I think I have a bit more of the... I have some more about the books later on. There's some similarities between our cases.
00:36:04
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Okay. um There was like a historical marker that ended up being placed on the riverbank where the men said that they were abducted ah in what was called is called one of the best documented cases of alien abduction.
00:36:22
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Damn. Parker was able to attend the dedication with his family, having spent decades avoiding media attention. um And as I mentioned, Charles Hickson, he had wasn't able to attend the ceremony. He had passed away in 2011 at the age of 80. So he had still had a really nice life. I mean, up to 80, that's a good age. Oh, yeah.
00:36:51
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can't Can't really complain with that one. The aliens didn't get him.
00:36:58
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Oh, this is from Clarion Ledger as well. It's a quote from Parker in November of 2022. So pretty recently he said, quote, it completely changed my life. It's just a deal in life that happens and you don't have any control over it. Maybe if I was a little older, I would have handled it better, but I wasn't and I didn't.
00:37:25
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Fair. i think yeah
00:37:28
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um What's interesting and what kind of made me want to cover this one is there's actually a number of other people that live in the same town that ah kind of corroborate or also described as like witnesses from the same event um or like leading up to the event or just after it, which I thought was interesting because you don't always have that.
00:37:56
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Yeah, that's for sure. So that's pretty cool. um Yeah, so from like their sides, these other witnesses, ah Washington Post said in March as the city was discussing plans for the marker, new witnesses emerged telling the Mississippi Clarion Ledger that on the night in question, they saw an unidentified flying object with flashing blue lights going up and down the Pascagoula River. ah They said they kept it secret all these years because they were afraid of people's reactions. ah one of them maria right One of them, Maria Blair um told the Chronicle
00:38:49
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Uh, quote, the story is very true. That's what has bothered me for 45 years. It's been on my mind for 45 years. Maria and Jerry were sitting in their 1969 Pontiac GTO in the parking lot of Graham seafood on the opposite side of the river.
00:39:08
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ah Jerry worked for the business and was waiting on a boat waiting on a boat captain to take him offshore. The captain was late and the blares waited for hours just after dark Maria saw something strange. um She said I was looking at the sky and noticed a blue light in the sky over where they were fishing. It started moving and it seemed like it was flowing along the Pascagoula River.
00:39:39
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I just seen the lights on it and it was just going back and forth. Sometimes it would sit there. It went on for 20 to 25 minutes.
00:39:50
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Maria said she initially thought it was a plane, but realized the flight pattern and hovering were not indicative of a plane. Jerry watch it watched it, but also didn't think much of it. He said, I thought it was a helicopter initially and just blew it off. It landed about 150 to 200 yards from us. I was just north of the bridge and it was just south of the bridge. I was there, but stupid me didn't pay much attention to it. I was going offshore and thinking about other things.
00:40:22
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uh okay says after they lost sight of the craft the two went to put jerry's clothing and other items on the boat and while walking down the lighted pier something else caught their attention we heard this loud thumping splash in the river i looked over or sorry maria said i looked over the side of the pier and that's when i thought i saw a person in the river I was looking right down on it. It looked like a person, but there was something different about it. It only came to the surface of the water. As soon as I saw it, it just went back down into the water. Creepy.
00:40:59
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oh um ah Whatever Maria had seen, which she thought was a person in some sort of diving gear, did not resurface. jerry who was walking ahead of her didn't see it and said it must have been a dolphin in a fucking river sorry that was like my first instinct when i read this jerry there's a dolphin in the river on occasion but yeah you're right not usually is arthur dolphins in mississippi oh that sounds less likely yeah i thought this was really weird
00:41:37
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Yeah, the the book I was reading in Venice, like they're like, then the pandemic happened and some dolphins got confused and went into the canal because it was nice and clean or something. That's cute. Yeah.
00:41:53
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um Yeah, she said she's positive it wasn't a dolphin. i Jerry went to work that evening and Maria returned home. In the following days, ah she heard reports of Parker and Hickson's experience. And the description of the aliens matched what she had seen in the water.
00:42:12
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um She said, I thought it was a person, but now I think it was an alien. What Parker described was exactly it. Later that evening, oh, sorry, this is a second one, another person that came forward. that Later that evening, Judy Branning was sitting in a car a few miles away at a traffic signal with her roommate and their dates. We were on a double date that night, Branning said,
00:42:42
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We were at a red light at Chikat and Highway 90, and we were basically sitting on the railroad track. I saw some lights and I wasn't sure what I was looking at because it was so far away. Like the blares, Branning thought it was an airplane at first, but as it came closer and flew over the car she was in, the four people realized it wasn't. It didn't make noise, Branning said. It had bright, bright lights.
00:43:11
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It got closer and it was hovering. It was a kind of saucer shape or disc shape with a rounded top. The radio started sounding like it was running through all the stations and the car went dead and we were freaking out. Yeah, you were. Branding said after it passed over the car, the craft shot up at a rate of speed she'd never seen and disappeared. It left her shaken.
00:43:40
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Damn. She was shooketh. The shooketh to my core.
00:43:48
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I didn't sleep that night thinking about it, branding said. When I saw what Calvin and Charles went through, I kind of backed down. Branding said the four agreed not to say anything about what they saw. She said over the years, she told a few people but not many because she was scared of people's reactions. Now 74 years old, she said she doesn't care if people believe her or not.
00:44:11
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um She's the gift of old Rose. It's been 84 years. yeah been several of years yeah ah Maria said she told people that she'd seen it, large she'd seen but largely stopped talking about it in the weeks following that evening.
00:44:34
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um She said, when you talked about it back then, people thought you were crazy. Back then, when I saw what Calvin and Charles went through, I kind of backed down talking about it. um it's It's still quite that way today, but we'll but yeah try to deal with it. yeah um The only thing I have left is a tiny bit of about kind of the books that Parker wrote after.
00:45:02
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okay um think his first book was called Pascagoula the Closest Encounter.
00:45:16
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i like that title yeah ah just like so um It also prompted others to come forward. Multiple people shared their stories with him privately um and had asked for their names not to be used. So I think those were maybe included in the second book that they wrote because that's where they got um like Branning's story and Maria's story. They kind of came forward after the first book and then kind of included them in the second book where it was kind of they said they include did it as a second book because they didn't want to like redo the first book.
00:45:57
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um So they're like, okay, here's kind of like more of a follow up kind of thing with like corrections and that kind of stuff to the first one. Okay. um Kind of mentioned, but Parker, he did end up passing away as well.
00:46:13
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in August of 2023. So just a year ago, ah as of a few days ago actually, in the 24th, at the age of 68. So he was a lot younger.
00:46:27
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um yeah yeah Before his death, he told the Clare on Ledger that in hindsight, his life was better for it in a way. saying, quote, under the circumstances, now I'm kind of glad it did happen because I got to meet a lot of people that I wouldn't have gotten to meet. thought I thought that was kind of a good way to look at it. So I don't know, it might have had some negative stuff. He's overall glad. Yeah. Yeah, it's kind of like, would you change something? You're like, well,
00:47:00
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If it would change my life now, I don't know if I would, you know? but Yeah, I like that way. You got to meet a lot of different and probably unique people because of it. um Yeah, that's true. For the city itself, they kind of embrace the legacy of the Pascagoula event. It's like Area 51, they like lean right into it. Yeah, kind of. It says they celebrate the event with an annual alien festival that's held in October.
00:47:28
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ah oo so but yeah
00:47:33
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suffex go Where is this again? Mississippi? Right, okay. You must have said that like five times, like keep forgetting. Yeah, it's like a Pascagoula River. um And I've heard of the incident, like I can remember Pascagoula. I can't remember Mississippi. I don't know why. So stupid. Yeah, that's that's what I got. I thought it was kind of cool. I like that, you know, later some other people came forward and they had um kind of information about
00:48:13
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like maybe if they were in the ship and stuff what um like what it looked like because it was still sitting there above the water and then they kind of got let go and you know we're back on the riverbank and it was like yeah look like aliens were swimming in the water and maybe they were dolphins i don't know No, I know the dolphin's crazy. ah But and yeah, that's a little operation. Yeah, no, it is. It's, it's cool when other people notice something or the same thing at the same time. It just, it just lends more credence to the original story, really. So yeah. And like the other ones, it's like a husband, a wife. And then the other one is a car full of four people at all.
00:49:01
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I didn't really hear from the other three people in the car, but apparently all four of them witnessed it. Yeah, that's a lot of people to witness. No one wants to do your story now, Rummy. Just swapped out all the water in town for Rum for the next day. Everybody's in the drunk tank.
00:49:22
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but yeah I don't know that scene in The Simpsons always stuck with me though because it is it is funny how anyone who does talk about aliens still to this day kind of yeah usually gets discredited in some way shape or form or we go oh it is a really credited person like they were a cop or they were a military and they saw a tic-tac UFO and you know it's like we still tend to disbelieve people. They must have had a psychotic break after they were sloping a cup. I know. And I'm like, I hope I'm the other way. Maybe to a bad degree where I'm older. I want to believe. And so everything I see I do. But who knows? It's not that skeptical mind. you know yeah I feel like I want to believe. But if if all of it was actually true, I don't know how I'd sleep at night. I'd be so freaked out about everything.
00:50:17
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Well, and like, it's just because you want to believe doesn't mean you don't know when someone's like completely being full of shit either. Yeah, right like we're yeah, we're all still like not fell off the turnip truck yesterday. And we know when someone's pulling the wool. Yeah, hopefully. Yeah. And a lot of these people, you're just like, what did they have to gain from this? Most people who come forth about alien encounters Yeah, suffer for the rest of their lives. But anyway, yeah, like it said like the the younger of the two was sometimes paying the electricity bill and everything for the older guy and the older gentleman. Hickson, he was the one that was like more media focused and was like more open to talking about it and stuff. And he did not he did not gain anything from it. He
00:51:10
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People thought he was weird and he couldn't pay his bills for most of the rest of his life. You get lumped into a certain category of people. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's unfortunate. Yeah. but yeah won't want Take a break. and i I'm interested to hear about your story. Wait, I have a story? Okay. Yes, I do. Okay.
00:51:39
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so Maybe next week. If this episode cuts out now, we will, you know, we'll catch you next week. We'll just start cutting all our episodes.
00:51:53
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ah Well, um what did I say to you that when my phone was still broken not too long ago? I'm like, okay, let's try to record at this time. And if you don't hear back from me, yeah maybe we'll just get up on the recording. Yeah. We'll see what happens.
00:52:09
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All right, yes, we'll take a quick break and we'll be right back, hopefully.
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00:53:43
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ah Aliens, the truth is out there. The truth is out here. And I don't know if you've heard about this one that I'm covering.
00:53:56
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ah I had heard of it and, you know, I just there's names involved. I didn't know any names. I just remembered a case where a guy ends up on a pile of coal, basically like Santa didn't love him. OK, I was going to say I'm like, coal, coal, like coal, big old pile of coal. Yeah. Damn.
00:54:26
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Right? Um, so it's kind of a two for one because the man that ends up on the coal, we have to talk about him. His name is Zygmunt or Ziggy, Adamsky? Adamsky? Wow, both of those sound really weird. ah Yeah. the That was a lot. I think it's Adamsky.
00:54:54
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but like Adamsky, you know what I mean? yeah He's Polish. Yeah. um He was born in 1923 and this Zygmunt or Ziggy moved to England in 1945.
00:55:12
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Hi, Fannier. Wait. I can hear fireworks. Oh, okay. I thought he was scratching at your the carpet. are You too. Me too.
00:55:23
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sure
00:55:26
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And then it sounded like, pop-pop, pop-pop, pop-pop. Yeah. Oh, I didn't hear that as loud.
00:55:37
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It was fireworks. It was something. I don't know. That was weird. Sorry. I think it's the 4th of July, Canada.
00:55:48
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But no, it literally did sound to me exactly like Fenn because he had been doing that to the carpet earlier. So I was like, oh, I literally thought the same thing. And then I was like, I think that's coming from outside. I still don't know what it was. I am. Weird. It was so weird. All right. Well, we live in the, you know, exciting city of Edmonton, basically. So yeah, we hear weird things. Um.
00:56:19
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Okay, Ziggy's from Poland, moved to England 1945, meets a gal named Leo Caddia or aka Lottie. I don't know how to get that from Leo Caddia.
00:56:36
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I've never heard Lottie for like Charlotte, but I don't know.
00:56:43
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ah He marries Lottie in 1951 and began his coal miner career at the Loft House colliery. So he's working as a coal man, going down, down, down. And he and his wife are living in Thornfield Crescent at a place called Tingley, which is near Wakefield, because everything in England is like Thornfield Crescent at Tingley, near Wakefield.
00:57:13
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I'm like, okay. I got a tingly in my crescent. I'm a tingly upon tine. Off.
00:57:27
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Yeah. um One quote said, the 56 year old miner at Loft House Collieri, who was known to many as Ziggy, had set off on June 6 on a walk to the local shops to buy groceries.
00:57:44
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It was the last time that Polish-born Mr. Adamski was seen alive. His wife, Lottie's initial suspicion was that he had been kidnapped." end quote Yeah. Why? Like the average person doesn't just get kidnapped. I know.
00:58:07
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um Yeah, there's not a lot seems like they know about it other than like why he went out of the house. We don't know. We don't know. So um what happened to Ziegmund and Lottie? The couple had been suffering some hard times and some health problems. Like Lottie was living with multiple sclerosis, so she had MS.
00:58:34
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um No wonder people say that it's so much easier to say. Yeah. And like, yeah, unfortunately, it was hitting her very hard. She was eventually ending it ending up using a wheelchair. um And also working at the coal mine took a toll on Sigmund's health as well. And he had like this lung condition that he had acquired.
00:58:58
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Oh, yeah. I mean, yeah in the 50s, they didn't have the safety regulations we do now. and Right, exactly. Yeah, he's a coal miner. It's it's not great. um He's off work due to a lung condition for several months that's worsening. And he had applied for early retirement, which was apparently initially rejected.
00:59:26
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Uh, then initially reject it then reversed. And so sadly that reversal notice was in the mail the day after he had disappeared. So, uh, he, yeah, that was like his approval to get early retirement, but he disappeared before he could receive it in the mail. Just so sad. Damn.
00:59:51
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right and um okay so one source said ziggy's god daughter was getting married and he was worried about the preparation needed for the ceremony so on june 6 1980 a damsky and a cousin headed to wakefield to buy a few things for the wedding i'm just gonna call him ziggy um they returned home stardust and he
01:00:14
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Adamski is really weird. I'm having a hard time saying it in my mouth. I don't know. Yes, Stardust.
01:00:26
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Okay, but like, okay, what does it say? So in June 6, 1980, Zinky and a cousin headed to Wakefield to buy a few things for the wedding. They returned home and he ate with two other relatives who had arrived from Poland.
01:00:41
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but then again a source stated same day Friday June 6 around 3 30 to 3 45 he left his home to walk to the local store to shop for essential supplies for the next day so ah most of the sources seem to really just say that he went out to get supplies for this wedding and okay I think yeah I think within my sources I just ended up doubling down on the outings by accident unless he like went out to buy wedding supplies and then through my quotes I get confused and then he went out again to buy more for his goddaughter. I don't know. Sometimes you gotta to drop stuff off at home. Head out for round two.
01:01:27
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And why is there always so much things to buy for everything? You're like, I want to make this for supper. And then you're like, you want to make tacos, but like you forget the sour cream and you go out and buy and then you're like, but wait, we don't have cheese or something. hello Yeah. Nightmare. Also, um, God, God parents, I heard something today where they were like, Oh, by the way. And then that's when they mentioned Hitler was my uncle's Godfather because apparently he just took on a bunch of ah German children as godparents if their lineage was white enough or whatever. Hitler's lineage wasn't even white enough for what he wanted. get out Yeah, it was kind of like this privileged program you could get your kid into it where oh the Führer would be there.
01:02:21
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godparent or something I don't know they were like uncle auto didn't you know that it was his I was like wait what is this listener story uncle auto was the you know his godparent was Hitler like I didn't know he did that for like a bunch of kids so weird oh I think I heard one other time about
01:02:45
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Was it somebody kind of like that type of like dictator type kind of thing? Yeah. But they were like adopting a bunch of children. And then just so that like more of the population would be like their supporters and stuff like that. Oh, no. Yeah. Creepy enough that the like Hitler used I watched the Umbrella Academy and it's like he tried to snap up some of those weird babies that cropped up out of nowhere. he but That was kind of weird. Yeah. Loved the show. I haven't watched the newest season. I don't know. I liked the first one and then I haven't really liked any of the ones since. So I was like, I don't know if I'm even going to watch. Well, I know, you know, it's funny because I know you don't like to watch a show so much if you know it's going to end. but
01:03:46
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I didn't love the ending, but I am glad I watched the show because I really did enjoy the characters a lot. I really, really like number five with the time travel and he's like the old man sort of in young man's body and I kind of enjoyed his character a lot. That's always funny. Yeah. I mean, they do that in Supernatural when Dean gets into the old man's body. It's a whole thing. Okay.
01:04:14
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Goddaughters are getting married. in Either way, everyone agrees that Zigmond or Ziggy left his home to like walk to the store and he's going for some essential supplies for the the next day or whatever. um And this one said, on the way, he ran into an old neighbor and greeted him and then he continued on to the store. um On arrival, he made the purchases as planned, paid, left the store and never returned home.
01:04:43
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so he that was the last place he was seen obviously he was found actually after that he was missing for five whole days and then found him yeah alive no not alive whoops I lied they found his body I was like you just said you died I am so sorry I am confused
01:05:15
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guess no they found him but not alive so maybe I'll edit that so it's less painful for you poor Kelsey was like alive and I'm like wait nope I fucked up yeah no it's it is shitty though because he literally had a wife he was getting ready for his goddaughter's um celebration or whatever and then it goes missing and then five days later they find his body um And this is when police officer Alan Godfrey was called to the scene. So he and his colleague Malcolm Hagley headed to the scene where this ah Trevor Parker, co-owner of a coal distribution center located near the train station at
01:06:04
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in Todd Morden had reported the fine to the police. The coal yard was located at the end of an isolated single trick dirt track. Single trick dirt track? Yeah, that's hard. I don't even know what that means. I don't think I do either. um Only that it was accessible only by car and difficult to reach on foot, end quote. So.
01:06:36
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Yeah, it's just weird because this is how they find this guy. ah Parker had been loading his truck for deliveries when he noticed the strange body on his coal pile and it was around 3.45 pm. So we just saw the body sitting on top of his pile of coal. Yeah. Yeah. And like... Sorry. Yeah, that's a little weird. If you if you go out for groceries, you don't normally...
01:07:04
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I got back at work on a coal pile. On top of a coal pile? Just why? Yeah. um ah They climbed the stack to examine the stranger, and unaware that he was a missing man, because they didn't know this guy. They found that his shirt was off, his trousers were open, and his shoes very tightly tied. No one taught them how to tie their shoes.
01:07:36
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Uh, and although he was on top of this coal pile, he was no, had no coal dust anywhere on him and his hair and clothing were basically pristine and so clean. Okay. A little weird. In an interview with Alan Godfrey on the BBC show Uncanny and featured in the episode series one classic case, the Todd Morton UFO in November, 2021, he said,
01:08:04
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The first thing, and this is Alan Godfrey, who was the officer on the scene. The first thing that struck me, I've seen quite a few dead bodies. Something about his eyes sent a shiver down your back. Have you heard them saying he'd been frightened to death, or have you heard the saying he'd been frightened to death? That was the look on his face. Jeez. Don't love that. No, that's creepy. No.
01:08:34
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He said, then I noticed his hair was cropped. On the crown of his head were these individual black burn marks in a ring. On the nape of his neck, there was an open wound, and it had a yellowy green substance smeared across it." End quote. He gave him a little monkey haircut. ah Crop. No, I don't know. A little skulllet. Something? And he's burned? and it's just it's not good like yeah you know something bad happened to him like for him to end up like this here yeah that just sounds weird ah so bizarre um it said he uh quote he was wearing a jacket that was fashioned or fastened sorry in the wrong place like i guess wrong buttons whatever
01:09:23
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And under the jacket, there was a white string vest, no shirt. This guy was dressed after death. Make no mistake, this guy didn't die here. There wasn't a mark of coal on him. It was completely wrong." End quote. Yeah.
01:09:42
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its It's weird. um And then what the other sources kind of said was that it wasn't just any old small little pile of coal either on this place. It was like 10 feet about. Oh, okay. Yeah, you would get dirty climbing that to get to the top. ah Yeah. And I'm like three three and a half meters ish because we we We also understand some meters up here in Canada sometimes. But yeah, it was a pile of coal. And it's about 20 miles from the place called Tingley. Tingley? So he was like very far away also, so it's like not adding up at all.
01:10:31
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Yeah. It said, not only was he clad in his full suit, but no shirt, or as that other one said, some sort of string vest maybe, but like no shirt, most sources said, right? He's still wearing the suit, yet there's like not really anything underneath, or if there is some sort of vest. Just rocking that. And he was also missing full out chest hair, probably.
01:10:56
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yeah
01:11:00
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Oh no, the 70s look. Yeah. Yeah. um It also said he was missing his wallet and watch, which kind of makes me think of Austin Powers because he does his testicles, spectacles, wallet and watch when he does his like cross himself thing.
01:11:17
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Not being Catholic, I always thought that was hilarious. um But yeah, all the sources said like, yeah, his clothes were weird, not fastened properly.
01:11:29
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that he had about a day's worth of stubble on his face. But again, his hair had this weird like, impromptu cut to it. I imagine like now, like when people in quarantine didn't know how to cut their hair, and but they couldn't stand it anymore. And like someone just like, you know, took some scissors to it or whatever. I don't know. yeah And then there was also these burn marks kind of like,
01:11:57
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some said all over his body. um Whereas some sort of unidentifiable ointment was applied on the burns, sources said, but the death and the cause of death seems to remain a mystery. um I mean it was always dead up there whether they could blame it on unknown like maybe heart attack whatever but like there were so many theories apparently when this happened that Because it's 80s, the KGB is going to get and like um accused. Should I say the Cold War was a big thing at the time. So people are scared of all the Russian secret service and whatever. But.
01:12:45
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um The that story is weird enough, but what makes it weirder is that When the cop that found him on site, only five months later, he would report his own UFO sighting just like a mile down the road. And that was kind of like the end of this cop's career. Yeah, shitty. So this Alan Godfrey that had been sent to investigate like the Ziggy case there.
01:13:19
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he was sent to report on some cow. Like some cows were bothering people down the lane because this is just the small town like UK.
01:13:33
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um ah i was I thought I had the actual like wording right there about how it was just like Yeah, he had to go out, that was his duty that night, right? He had to go check out this farm lane and see where these damn cows were and he went looking for them and he found like so much more.
01:13:54
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um But yeah, it was just about about a mile down the road from the first site or where we found Ziggy, so that was the weird part.
01:14:06
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and um The Mr. Godfrey, the police officer Allen there was like, he doesn't necessarily think that Ziggy was murdered. um But he doesn't know because it's like they just found him on top there, right? And it's all like, there's so much mystery to this one. I don't know. Sorry, I'm trying to piece it together, but it feels even a little all over the place the way I wrote it all down.
01:14:36
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they think well even if he wasn't murdered he obviously wasn't killed there he'd been placed there he's on top of this coal pile and whatever he's never bit on him and he has eyes wide open and burn marks and why would he be on top of there and all this um and They couldn't identify the ointment on the back of his neck that looked like it may have been placed there to treat the burn marks because it was on top of the burns for some reason.
01:15:11
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And this this Alan Godfrey that investigated he ended up writing a book called like who or what were they. um He was so affected by this um event in his life. And it actually pointed out similarities to the Travis Walton case, which when it said that I was like, I can't believe I didn't even think about one.
01:15:31
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um But because like, wait, I'm sure this one had like some missing time to where it was like the five days or whatever. Sorry, there's just like, there's like a lot with this case. So I apologize. I'm getting like probably confused because there's um one abduction, uh, probably, and then also some other confusing things. But, um,
01:16:07
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ah This guy, Rick Moran, who was a photographer and author of this Chance Encounters in the Valley of Lights, had first heard about this the story as a young lad when his dad wrote about it in the local paper. And he and ended up interviewing Alan Godfrey for his book um about his encounter. And it he was like, this happened on November 28, 1980 at 5am. And this PC I think police constable Alan Godfrey was back on duty when he was called to report or to a report of cattle roaming Loose around a local housing estate. I Love there. Yeah So being called down to like some sketchy area downtown, you know a big city they're like there's some cows Yeah, they're blocking the road
01:17:02
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That's so quaint. um But driving down Burnley Road, he saw what he thought was a bus that had skewed a car across the road, rather. On getting closer, he encountered what looked like a spinning object about 20 feet wide, hovering above the ground. He tried to radio his station. The radio was dead, apparently. His car wouldn't start either all of a sudden.
01:17:31
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Oh yeah. So he took this opportunity to sketch out what he saw in his notebook. And then there was a flash of light and he apparently was just boop 100 yards down the road. He just like blipped down there. So then we had like missing time and a little blip too. Um, 20 minutes had passed since the last he had looked at his watch. He had marks on his foot. Some places, uh, said they had like burn like marks, um, similar to Ziggy did. And that also he had a split boot. So like a cut in his boot, his footwear, I guess. Weird.
01:18:15
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Yeah, so just some weird stuff like that and um later rec recollect recolet recollections might have been that there was something around his ankles at the time like some sort of what they called bracelets or I imagine more like ankle cuffs but it's hard to say um because he doesn't remember a lot but
01:18:41
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he uh went uh underwent some you know hypnosis or whatever to try and see what he could remember later so it's uh kind of a tough one i guess but yeah oh yeah this one only maybe one source i found it but i didn't think it was just like too strange not to include uh that uh side effect if you could call it that, of what of the encounter with Alan Godfrey after the UFO. He alleges that prior to the incident, he was unable to conceive children with his wife. And this was apparently due to a childhood injury where he got like um it injured in his groin area like in such a way that he couldn't even have children. Damn.
01:19:36
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Yeah, man. Like, that's a bad fight. Like, apparently the aliens were like, let me let me fix that up. yes he got like kicked in the groin so bad he couldn't have kids and yet after he gets this experience or whatever it said one night his wife was literally laying in bed she saw a bright flash of light and before going to sleep and then as she recalls their uh next morning love making session led to their child being born and apparently before that they had tried so
01:20:09
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One of the weirdest things I heard about this case, honestly, only heard it in like one source too. So like, we take it with a grain of salt, I guess, but it's a fun gossip. Maybe. Yeah. Although I guess we could just look and see if he had a child. Like, I don't think I even confirmed that, but. That would be a weird thing to lie about. It does seem like you could instantly confirm it or not ah yeah yeah and whether or not they had you know issues beforehand that's none of our business so why would we want to look into that but so cool if that's what happened like i'm just like wow yeah that's really weird i know uh apparently some call this area tour morden uh as the ufo capital of the uk
01:21:08
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and they do have sort of a long history of supernatural stuff dating back to like tales of witches and old folklore um but other than that we just had our modern UFO episodes and some other witnesses of UFO activity in the area including one person who had been with Alan Godfrey's son when they saw another UFO definitely wasn't the only one that ever saw UFO in the area or lights or anything. So it was, it has been a hotspot for sure.
01:21:44
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Um, although I do always love the, their explanations for things like They got to throw some ball lightning in there. If you got like two or more people, you can say it's mass hysteria, which is also a very popular claim that I love that they don't have to explain. you know yeah but just There's some weird ones with this. so Like the the he had some missing time and where he felt like he blipped. And then he was like 100 yards down the road or something. I don't know. And then he looked back to where his car he thought originally had been. And it seemed dry, even though it was like raining and pouring there. So that was kind of weird.
01:22:31
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um
01:22:34
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He hadn't been able to find the cows, I think, at first. And then he had the little blip. And then he was like, oh. There they are, they're right beside me. So it's like, did the aliens take you and flip you back down where the cows were? um Oh, and as to the whole men in black aspect, there was a mysterious, quote unquote, ministry man who visited Godfrey after the incident, wanted him to warn him to keep quiet about it. He was made to swear on the Official Secrets Act, which I didn't know was a thing.
01:23:10
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What? I hope the author is Top Secrets, which was a fictional character from the number 23 movie with Jim Carrey that I was listening to them deconstruct on a podcast earlier this week. No. Topsy. Crats.
01:23:36
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Makes me want to watch the movie again, to be fair with you, but I've only seen it once, and it was sometime during COVID. No, there's a reason for that. I think we own it, but I only remember watching it once, and then when they were reviewing it on how did this get made, I was like, yeah, that's why. Because this show is not like, how did this get made? It's more like, how did this get fucking made?
01:24:01
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ah right Drugs.
01:24:07
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Yeah, somebody was doing someone or something. um But yeah, there's like this mysterious ah like men in black type of man who apparently told Alan he had to keep quiet about it. He had to swear he was like followed around by this mystery man or maybe mystery men to the point where one of them ah bothered him enough that he confronted the man at a pub and and then he wasn't bothered again. So I think he roughed him up.
01:24:36
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What do you want there? Why don't you guys have any real hair? Like the men in black. And was he part of the West Yorkshire police, of course? I don't think so. I think he was a real men in black. He was trying to keep this shit under wraps because it's really fucking weird. um Yeah, that's all I got.
01:25:02
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Oh, my God.
01:25:06
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That was crazy. Even better than Pirates. and
01:25:12
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I really enjoyed yours, by the way. Thanks. I like yours. I'll have to ah listen back when I edit it.
01:25:24
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It's, I'm sorry. i Even when I think I have things written out in like a comprehensible fashion, sometimes I read them back and I'm like, I don't know what's happening. So many people in this one. And then I would go on tangents about who Hitler ended up being a godfather to, which was apparently a bunch of babies, by the way.
01:25:48
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oh Yeah.
01:25:52
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and then we end the episode and hopefully we give it all out to you in time and yeah all that bullshit but last month was interesting so don't worry about that one yeah hopefully things are smoother from here on out no I know they try to they try to tell us we can't talk enough or we have to pay more so we go damn it Right? We need more listeners then. Share it with your friends. Yeah, please. Oh, speaking of which, we may or may not have decided what we're speaking on next week for our crime episode. I think Kelsey had an idea.
01:26:37
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Well, it's it's perfect timing. Back to school. Who doesn't want to talk of it?
01:26:45
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Literally, my kid went back this week before Labor Day. What happened to that? Why would they make them go back before September is a thing? They are crazy. It's happened a few times. I think they do it so it's a part week, and then they have a weekend again, instead of being like, here's five full days of school, you hate your life.
01:27:07
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I know. I don't know because I just compare it to like when I was in school and also it was in, you know, several provinces over. So and then I'm like, am I just like 10 years too old or three provinces behind? Which also makes me 10 years behind those provinces. I remember a couple times going back to school. They get so many like long weekends these days. I don't know. It's weird.
01:27:36
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I feel like they get a lot of time off, but then I feel like they- There's one almost every month. Almost every month. Yes! No, no, no, I think there is one every month. like I don't remember it being like that when I was a kid. When did they have, yeah, when have they ever gone back before the Labor Day one? That's crazy. I saw something online earlier today that said, ah forget the, forget a 40 work week. I want an eight minute work day. And I'm like, oh my God, yes. Fuck yes. Eight minutes.
01:28:11
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Hey, you get real good at your job, you can really whittle it down. I couldn't do my job in eight minutes. If they paid me in eight and a half hours ah to only work for and eight minutes, ah ah yeah i I would do my best. It wouldn't get done. but they were gonna No, no, these are the ones where like, yeah, you're like, oh, the cleaners come earlier and earlier every, you know, evening and I'm like, I try to leave work and they're already cleaning the bathroom at five 30. I'm like, that's just because they want to get in there, get it all clean and get the hell out for the night. Yeah. But sometimes it'd be it'd be in my way. I go to carry out the ah
01:29:06
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ah You know the box full of them full Envelopes to be taken to the mailing room because they like seal all the envelopes. Yeah, it's like I process 200 fucking envelopes a day I'm not gonna seal them all of my little lips. Come on I'll be like George Costanza's wife dying of the frickin Yeah, so they put them through like these big machines so then we like put the you know boxes of completed car registrations in a secure place and then so that they could be taken to the mail room in the morning. But like they'll come and like close the door on me and then I'll be like, I have to open the door now. I don't want to use the cart. And I'm trying to hold the thing. And they've just they're cleaning the floors. And I'm like, God damn it. Can't you wait till 6 o'clock?
01:29:57
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Yeah, they're very nice people but ah see at my work it's the opposite our cleaners come in in the morning and then they leave like normally five to maybe 10 minutes before the store opens they're still like frantically wiping all the mirrors it's like I mean how fucking clean does it have to be this is neat Our floor, it's the basement. It's not even public facing. It's like, oh, we have to clean the floor right now in case there's like a drop of like coffee on it. I'm like, okay, I don't care. Yeah. Yeah, that's a different. one
01:30:35
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well Anyway, well, yeah, thank you for making it. Yeah. Did we close this one out? and No, not really. I think we started talking about school, but we're, we're, we're not doing, we're doing college, college crimes. like Oh yes. That's, uh, that'll do it. Yes. Back to school has already happened. So I got on a tangent, but yes, I'm very excited to do college crimes. Yeah. I think it'll be fun. Yeah.
01:31:13
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I think there's definitely some different themes we can work with there and should be interesting and we'll catch you next week. Yeah. Bye. Bye.
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