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Predetermined Rebooted 3: Bring Your Own Chair
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This week the team is talking pro wrestling in West Virginia, awkward meet & greets, Beast Man (duh), NJPW G1 and more!
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Introduction and Podcast Welcome
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. I am a man facts beast, beast boy facts, disciple of beast man facts. Coming in at a showbiz 500.
00:00:59
Speaker
And I, nursing a cup of tea from my voice, which may or may not be getting ravaged by COVID, is Chris. How you guys doing? I'm doing good, man. And since you're drinking that tea, you know what I'm going to do? I got a tall boy here. I've got to crack that open. Just a little old school predetermined. I feel like somebody's always got to keep the can crack going. It's important. It's an important. It's basically how everyone knows the episode is going to get going.
Hard Mountain Dew and Wrestling Events
00:01:24
Speaker
So I gotta ask, oh, it's a hard Mountain Dew. Guys, we all celebrated those when we were together for the Forbidden Door show. We were all drinking big boy Mountain Dews.
00:01:38
Speaker
It is really disappointing that it deepened those episodes of predetermined that this beverage did not exist. Because I feel like we would be the perfect people to promote this. This is a perfect product for predetermined. You're all Mountain Dew drinkers, no offense. Not you guys, but the people with headphones in.
00:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, just, I feel like an average listener to this podcast, they see a new episode comes in, pop a couple blue chews, crack open a stickster of hard Mountain dews, and get ready to listen with intensity.
Hardway Heater's Return to Wrestling
00:02:16
Speaker
And that's how they enjoy their commute each morning while they're listening to us. Oh my God.
00:02:28
Speaker
Just every day for a week, same episode, just every day. They start at the beginning. So Garrett, speaking of prior episodes of Predetermined, I hear you were watching one of the old co-hosts of Predetermined, right? Yeah, I feel like such a bastard that we never brought this up.
00:02:54
Speaker
old pal of the show, former co-host Hardway Heater. He is fucking back guys, 157 days on earth, 357 days on the shelf. He is back in ICW, he redebuted there. And by redebuted, I mean, he debuted there. He redebuted into the wrestling universe there. But yeah, what the fuck? We had him on here with a broken neck.
00:03:19
Speaker
and didn't talk about him being a complete goddamn badass in the pit and in the chains all in one weekend in Chattanooga. How were the matches? Great. I think I'm trying to remember who he was supposed to wrestle.
00:03:35
Speaker
in the pit, because I think it changed twice, and he ended up against Brett Ison, who as far as I know, Brett Ison had actually semi-retired, but they were in the group KOBK together, so it was kind of a brother versus brother just beating the absolute piss out of each other fight.
Beastman in Deathmatches and Moxley's Style
00:03:53
Speaker
Hardway, very early on, took a gusset plate to the head. Welcome back to Deathmatch.
00:04:01
Speaker
We missed you, buddy. I hope you come on here and chat deathmatch wrestling with us anytime. Open invitation to hard way heater. Do we think he's, will he work Beastman soon? Do we think? Holy shit. If Beastman, I don't know. I think Beastman might be out of the deathmatch game. I mean, we see, it seems like Beastman went legit.
00:04:23
Speaker
I don't know, they're pretty aggressive. There's some big Beastman matches coming up that look like they might be death matches. So maybe I think, I think for that, I think to wrestle Heater again, I think those two, I want to see that.
00:04:34
Speaker
Well, and honestly, as long as Jon Moxley is a main eventer, unless it's like Roman Reigns, I don't think anybody is above doing a death match. So I could see him work at a couple of death matches, get back on that Jon Moxley radar to potentially get a, you know, a one shot on dynamite or a rampage.
00:04:55
Speaker
Well, if he gets the one shot on Dynamite, I mean, that's he's going to be a superstar the next week. It's going to be a long term contract, of course, getting the one shot on
Wrestling Meet and Greets
00:05:03
Speaker
Dynamite last week. Maybe we'll see if it's a one or not. Mance Warner mocks bled with him on national television as expected.
00:05:13
Speaker
I actually thought the more telling thing this week for mocks was the promo from dynamite where he said if I think I'm paraphrasing but I'm not gonna finish until someone gets hurt and I don't care whether it's me or another person which really are shoot comments that aren't supposed to be shoot comments but I mean that's
00:05:33
Speaker
Listen, I just want to, so that's a good paraphrase, despite the fact that you are very visibly suffering from COVID. I've never seen someone just visually that more obviously has COVID than you do right now. He is literally, he is sitting in a filled Starbucks right now, no mask, chatting into a microphone, laughing, just laughing into the sky, even spreading it.
00:06:00
Speaker
He's in a Starbucks, a crowd Starbucks in Queens, New York, the real melting pot, which means just every different ethnicity of person is going to get COVID from him, from this, this appearance on, uh, predetermined this week. And after this, he's headed to a Bubba Gump shrimp down on, uh,
00:06:20
Speaker
Where he works. He works. No, no mask required there.
Jerry Lawler's Bar and Grill Experience
00:06:24
Speaker
No hair net. No, nothing. Um, any, anyway, I just want to clarify that I know sometimes we can be a little satirical. We can make some jokes here. I meant every goddamn word I said about John Moxley. I take none of it back. None of it was meant in jest. I am worried for him and his family, yet thrilled to see what he does next.
00:06:48
Speaker
I got to just wonder, do you think John Moxley has been to therapy? And if so, how many sessions did he last? Well, so I would imagine as part of his, you know, inpatient rehab, it'd be required. I mean, some version of that. But you'd think they would get to some of the feels. And that's probably when he left and went back to death matches.
00:07:14
Speaker
I can only picture Jon Moxley laying on that couch. Maybe he does start to cry a little bit, has to grab a tissue, blows his nose, head just fucking opens up with blood. He is
Control Your Nutrition Seasonings
00:07:27
Speaker
just ruining this very expensive couch. I'm just thinking about a therapist really trying to get through to Mox.
00:07:39
Speaker
It just, he seems like he'd be a tough nut to crack. He seems like he'd be someone who the therapist would go like, I think the therapist would be like, I think I got through to him today. And much like Renee, hundreds of times over the course of their relationship, she found out, didn't actually happen. He's going to go wrestle that death match tomorrow.
00:07:58
Speaker
The way I visualize it is, you know, he's in, he's in treatment and, you know, he's getting into it and his kind of like vorshaki voice that he has down. He's like, listen, doc, sometimes the only way I can get an erection is by seeing a man bleed.
00:08:17
Speaker
That's what I need. And then you just, like the camera pans in my mind and you just see in the therapist chair is just this horrified looking Peter Avalon, who just has no idea what he's supposed to do. But knowing if he says anything, he's going to get hurt real bad.
00:08:33
Speaker
Well, the real thing to tell a man that comes out with that information is, you don't need to see the violence. You don't need to feel the violence. Try this blue chew. This, you know, if this doesn't work, go back to the violence, but at least explore other options. And that's another benefit of hard Mountain Dew, because if you're a hard Mountain Dew boy,
00:08:55
Speaker
And then you stumble into a little bit of a drinking problem. You got to put the kibosh on it. You just switched to normal dew.
Jerry Lawler's Self-Deprecating Humor
00:09:02
Speaker
They got diet dew, red alert, blah, blah, bless. There's all kinds of Mountain Dew with no alcohol in it. The hard dew tastes just like the regular dew. It's an easy transition, I think. I think it tastes and it's sugar free and yet somehow it tastes more like real dew than diet dew, which has no booze in it.
00:09:19
Speaker
and you can drink it straight in front of security guards because well right now it's only available in three states so get a friend in either Iowa Tennessee or Florida to smuggle you a case go drink it anywhere you can drink this in class and for those keeping score
00:09:35
Speaker
Forbidden Door was not in any of those states. So yeah, Garrett did do that and smuggled us hard dew so we could drink in the parking lot between our maiden voyage with the Beastman and our maiden voyage with an AEW New Japan Super Show.
00:09:57
Speaker
He's a good friend. Anybody who looked at us holding these is just going to be like, yeah, those are those are those are dude drinkers like we why even bother bothering them? You know, there's no point. I actually don't really drink regular Mountain Dew, which I think makes me I I go against the stereotypes of a wrestling fan. I only drink regular Mountain Dew when fast convinces me to put it in whiskey to make a space mountain. It's true.
00:10:26
Speaker
that you, however, however, you do listen to a lot of new metal still so
Betting on Wrestling Matches
00:10:31
Speaker
that you still kind of fit in with the, with the demo that we're shooting for here. Look, the work of stained is timeless. And I think they're only getting better as a band. I mean, let's face it. The new battle days of stained lasted about one album. Now we're in like,
00:10:50
Speaker
alt-right territory with Stained. I think it's, I guess, right, a country era? Hmm. Probably. I actually haven't listened to Stained. Sorry, guys. Yeah, you're joking your narrative out of my playlists. Speaking of, speaking of control your narrative. So did we even discuss this on the show last week or was this off mic?
00:11:18
Speaker
We got control your nutrition and the plan for control your nutrition. We're going to, I don't know if you'd call this a bake off, but we are going to do a live with you a steak off. I'm going to have some veggies in there. You're going to do what, what did you get? Well, I got, so I got both beef ones. So there's a beef control your nutrition,
Appalachian Championship Wrestling
00:11:42
Speaker
but then there's a specific Braun Strowman, uh, one.
00:11:48
Speaker
that is called Beef King. So I'm gonna make probably two small steaks, one with the regular control your nutrition and one with the Braun extra salty that they talked about that extra, extra salty. It's good for you apparently. I think the idea is to get you looking bloated and for your pump, but I'm gonna try both and we're gonna see.
00:12:16
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's a solid name. I mean, Beef King sounds like a Japanese sex robot. So that's maybe what it'll turn you into. Braun kind of looks like that on the packaging. Trust me, the sex robots aren't that realistic and jacked. Fair. The Japanese like a much thinner sex robot than the seven foot tall Braun Strowman. So, Garak, you went with vegetables and beef?
00:12:46
Speaker
Oh, I did the four pack. Oh, you went four pack, all right. I went four pack, so I got beef, I got fish, I got chicken, and I got veggies. I could just have a whole platter in front of me. Gotta maximize that shipping. You really gotta take advantage. I don't wanna have to be like, oh, this turns out it's very good. I should spend $8 on shipping again. Just get it all done at once. It was really tempting to throw the Braun Strowman in there. What other wrestlers would you be willing to buy a season in from?
00:13:17
Speaker
Great
New Japan Pro-Wrestling G1 Climax
00:13:18
Speaker
question. Uh, the rock number one, um, because I just trust the rock implicitly. And so the rock would like, I've bought the rocks energy drink just because it, it says it's from the rock. I was like, okay, it's got a bottle of Terra Mana right behind me. Right. You'll buy anything the rock tells you to buy.
00:13:37
Speaker
I'll tell you who the last wrestler who's seasoning I think I would buy. And that's got to be Brian Cage because he's always eating a big just Tupperware filled with the plainest ass looking chicken you will ever see. I don't get man's ever met a spice. I don't think he uses salt or pepper. It's just it might be boiled. Well, I think I think
00:13:59
Speaker
Brian, look, while Garrett and I are part of maybe the target market here, I think the real target market for control your nutrition is Brian cage. Cause Brian cage has heard all about the downside of big spice. He's like, I'm not putting that in my body. EC3 is like brother friend.
00:14:16
Speaker
You can have taste on your chicken. You just use ours. And Brian Cage still probably doesn't trust it, but that was part of the idea. It was just trying to make sure Brian Cage wasn't just eating dry chicken for the rest of his life.
00:14:31
Speaker
I'm a little hesitant to try the Glen Jacobs defund the FBI pork seasoning, but if it's gonna fund the next campaign, I'm in Tennessee, I gotta support.
Conrad's Plans for Wrestling Legends' Last Matches
00:14:44
Speaker
Side benefit, it does clean your teeth. I like my meat seasonings to also be hygienic. I like there to be a little, yeah.
00:14:58
Speaker
I mean, I will say in your state, in Memphis, I have been to Jerry Lawler's bar and grill. So I don't believe he sold seasonings, but I'm fairly certain, like JR, he did have his own barbecue sauce on sale. Did you actually eat at Jerry Lawler's? I had appetizers. We mainly drank there, but I think it was like French fries or something.
00:15:21
Speaker
Cause I saw the food come out. I went there too once. And if you're a wrestling fan and you're in Memphis, absolutely go to Jerry Lawler's place cause there's fun wrestling memorabilia there. But I will say I saw the food and thought to myself, I am not eating that.
00:15:36
Speaker
Yeah, and not only do they not sell seasoning, they don't use it. That drives up costs. You can go back to episode 30 something and listen to my full review of Jerry Lawler's restaurant. I'm happy that you both have been there as well because it is, it's weird. It is weird. It is in a museum of eight by tens.
00:16:00
Speaker
The one other thing I'll say about Memphis is that I wore a Jerry Lawler t-shirt in Memphis because I had one from, I think, a Pro Wrestling Tees crate. And I was surprised at the number of people who were like, went out of their way to be kind to me because I was wearing a Jerry Lawler t-shirt. Someone was like, I think we sold out of the last tickets of this tour of Sun Studios. But because you're wearing a Jerry Lawler t-shirt, I'll sneak you in the back.
00:16:25
Speaker
I think that's a Memphis move because I went there and they're like, hey, we're out of tickets, but because you're here celebrating your birthday, come on in, no charge. Oh, so you're saying it's a, it's a Cardi move and they'll find anything to do that for
Jon Moxley's Therapy Sessions
00:16:38
Speaker
you. But I guess what did they gain out of that other than we're promoting Sun Studios, right? Wonderful tour, been on it a few times. Delightful. One of the best Memphis. I guess they gain the, you get the sense that you got a real experience there. Southern hospitality.
00:16:54
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad I just don't have to wear a Jerry Lawler t-shirt in Memphis all the time. Now. I think you're telling me I don't need, I can just wear whatever I want and not be treated nicely regardless. Have either of you seen him wrestle live? I mean, if I had, it was probably would have been like early to mid nineties, WWF. Um, that's the only time I could think of that I would have.
00:17:19
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think so. I don't think it's he's come up. I would be shocked if I hadn't, quite frankly, because again, the early 90s, the Fax family was pretty actively hitting up WWF whenever they hit up the Nassau Coliseum. And I just I got to imagine, you know, him and some member of the Hart family in something did a turn there.
00:17:44
Speaker
I was lucky enough to get two under my belt. I have some fight, Joey Ryan and Mance Warner. So, you know, five stars to both. For the exact same reasons. Well, one hit a fireball. He shot fire at Joey Ryan's dick in the match I saw. He's a wizard. Which retrospectively is maybe one of the great baby-based moves in wrestling history.
Sasha Banks' Meet and Greet
00:18:11
Speaker
He tried to save some of those
00:18:13
Speaker
although he probably tried to save some of those women so that he could then groom them. He's going to a dark place. No, no, no, I see what you mean. He's like, come here, ladies, let me comfort you in my hotel room. Well, did you go, Garrett, did you go to the Bischoff Roast at all-in weekend?
00:18:35
Speaker
Wait, was that, I didn't even remember that that happened. So no, I didn't. I think it was Bischoff. There was definitely a roast all in weekend. And by far the star was Jerry Lawler coming on and making perv jokes about himself and everyone going, he's self-aware of the fact that he's a terrible person. He's like, I said so many problematic things in the nineties. No punchline, no punchline, just facts. Um,
00:19:05
Speaker
I don't this is this is off topic, but that's just I thought about this. I'm sure I know I sent you the picture. Did both of you see the the Sasha Banks meet and greet from this week? Indeed. Indeed. I did. Yep, I sure did.
Wrestling Fans' Behavior at Events
00:19:19
Speaker
Do you blame her? Well, let's be clear. Garrett, describe the picture for anyone who hasn't seen it because someone may not have a picture here.
00:19:27
Speaker
Yeah, so it is a photo from C2E2, I believe in Chicago, I think is where that convention takes place. And Sasha Banks was doing a meet and greet, and security was requesting that everybody keep their distance from Sasha. There was, I mean, at least six feet between them, so they were being COVID safe, which is kind of funny, because that didn't seem to be a concern for her earlier in the pandemic, if I recall.
00:19:56
Speaker
I don't think it was until Mandalorian was like, oh, you should be a little safe that she's like, okay, okay, yeah, maybe I will. But it kind of brought back shades of, if you remember years ago, Avril Lavigne meet and greets, where they were comparing Avril Lavigne's meet and greets to Rihanna's meet and greets.
00:20:15
Speaker
and what you got for your money, which with Avril Lavigne, you were a good six feet away, both looking sad. Rihanna was actually holding the people, hopping on their back, lots of touching and smiling. Sasha Banks, she's smiling, but down the hall. No, I mean, I get it. Wrestling fans, decent chance that they're not the most hygienic, although I think we get a bad rap on the whole, and I don't think we're that bad.
00:20:44
Speaker
I've gone to like dead in company and assorted shows and I've found generally smellier people there than at wrestling shows for the most part.
00:20:53
Speaker
I don't know. We're pretty icky. And I don't like there's times that I'm at a GCW show where the seats are just way too close and like Sasha Banks don't want none of that. I barely want any of that.
Introduction of the Beastman Chant
00:21:05
Speaker
I will say I also do feel for for female wrestlers doing meet and greets. I it always just seems like a very awkward energy.
00:21:18
Speaker
I don't know, like there just always seems like these guys are like very excited to like kind of have touched them. It's very strange. And so I definitely feel for for Sasha in that regard. And I'm with you that for women, it's worse, but honestly, for any wrestler, right? There's a meet and greets. There is a lot of touching that some of these people expect. Like I don't even get it when you see somebody going down the aisle and everyone's just trying to touch them and rub their bare skin. I'm like, what?
00:21:47
Speaker
That's weird. You want to say you touched a guy on TV, you know? If people were doing that in the mocks match with Mansur, I remember people are reaching over the barricade trying to touch bleeding mocks and it's a little
00:22:01
Speaker
So are you telling me facts? You've never reached out during a wrestling show and given a wrestler just like a, you don't have to like tongue out and like rub, but like a flat. I think I've almost definitely done it, but I definitely am fairly certain as an adult, I've never done it sober.
00:22:20
Speaker
But I think it's just, I don't know if I'm a wrestler and I'm getting hyped in my head, all right, I'm making X amount of money, here's the meet and greet, let me just walk up here and see what we got. I'm hoping to see the least amount of replica title belts possible, right? I think the amount of replica belts you see on non-children, to be clear, on non-children, that's a good barometer for what kind of morning you're gonna be having.
00:22:50
Speaker
A good day for you is getting to meet some casuals. You don't need- Exactly. Or just some podcasters. I just want to meet some podcasters. Which is everybody. Yeah. I find the touching belt thing. I actually do regret, I met Cody once when he was the U N I W G P U S champion. And I really, I was like, Oh, I should have asked him the whole, we should have held the belt or something. Cause there's a pretty cool belt, but, um, I get that.
00:23:17
Speaker
I get touching or holding the real belt. I don't get these 30 somethings that are wearing one belt with another belt over their shoulder. You know, what? I mean, to be fair, I'm a 30 something year old man wearing a 9-1-1 t-shirt, but I don't know. Very, very crowded Starbucks.
00:23:47
Speaker
I think it should be a weekly segment because you do have a magnificent pro wrestling t-shirt collection and it seems like a lot of- Please tell my wife that, Garrett. Tell her it's magnificent. Yes, also tell Sasha Banks. This guy has a great t-shirt collection. There is- It's okay. Yeah. Sasha doesn't need to have an opinion about my t-shirt collection.
00:24:15
Speaker
I kind of want to go do the Sasha Banks meet and greet and just like wave at her. You know what? I don't need to be closer to her. I don't need an interaction where she maybe touches my back and then I'm like, oh, did I put my arm on her? So I just like very lightly like have like a two fingers on her shoulder to be like, I don't know. You know what? You meet a lady wrestler, you put your goddamn hands in your pocket and mind your business. Agree it on your way. However,
00:24:40
Speaker
There's nothing stopping you from keeping your hands in your pocket, sure. But beforehand, really roughly applying to choose your nutrition spices as though it were aftershave and just really coarsely rubbing it in so you just kind of reek of it even from a couple of bodies apart. You know what? She will notice that you smell like lemon pepper and that something's different about you.
00:25:08
Speaker
Okay. You, I feel like you do a little more meet and greets and we do any, any like awkward meet and greet stories I'm trying to like any on the level of Sasha Banks being that far from.
00:25:20
Speaker
A weird one for sure. One comes to mind. It was at WrestleCon for, I guess it would have been Mania 32. I was in Dallas. I had never been to a wrestling convention and I saw that Jake the Snake was about to be there. That was for sure my absolute favorite as a child. I love Jake. I was like, well,
00:25:43
Speaker
I don't know how much longer Jake will be around. Maybe let's meet Jake. So gave the 40 bucks or whatever. And I'm the first person in line standing there waiting. I come up. He finally comes out. I tell him, you're my hero as a kid. I love you so much. He's like, oh, thanks, man. We take the picture. He smiles real big. They snap the photo. The second that photo is done, he goes, I need a fucking cigarette and leaves.
00:26:09
Speaker
There is a line of people. He just got there. I was the first person where I need a fucking cigarette disappears. I never saw him come back. So I guess he got my 40 bucks and he's like, that's good for the day. That's dinner tonight. That's the first one that comes to my head is where he's like, yeah, thanks, man. I need a fucking cigarette gone.
00:26:38
Speaker
I will say at a WrestleCon once I met Bobby Eaton, who's, who's one of my heroes. And I guess, so on the one hand, this was awkward. On the other hand, not unexpected. Everyone said Bobby Eaton, not a man of many words, but I literally walked up to him and it was, I think I got in there as like after the actual like signing it and it was like, Hey man, just want to tell you like you're like one of my favorite wrestlers. I legend love you man. And he just kind of like grunted at me. He's like, Hmm.
00:27:06
Speaker
And I was like, that's gonna have to do. I think Bobby told me he loves me too. I think that's what I'm gonna have to take out of that.
00:27:25
Speaker
Oh, you've never, you've never. Yeah. So I don't, I don't really do the meet and greets very often. I've done them. I've done them. And I, and I feel like I'd love to do Sean Moxley wants to, right? Cause you just be like, Oh boy, you're wrestling with ghosts. Well, I'll tell you what ghosts don't bleed. Um, but the fact to the, to the Bobby fish story. So this was, uh, Chris, do you remember what year with this had been probably 2016? I think it's 20, I think 2015. Best in the world. ROH terminal five.
00:27:54
Speaker
And it was definitely, I think it was AJ Styles in the Bullet Club was there, right? So Bullet Club, AJ, Ring of Honor, think of that era. We're in New York. And I think, you know, we've certainly talked about this, Chris and I, on our podcast in the past, but we frequently with friends of ours, we do underwear bets.
00:28:16
Speaker
So we would wager at Ring of Honor shows. We would have a system of who got to choose first, who's going to go over. These are obviously live shows that we're watching in person. And it actually started with me and my friend Johnny O that the bet was the loser had to buy the winner a pair of underwear and an adult magazine.
00:28:40
Speaker
And these shows are typically at the Hammerstein Ballroom, which for those that don't know New York City is directly across the street from Penn Station, the biggest, busiest train station in the country. And the rule would be you'd have to walk across the street, go to the newsstand in Penn Station in the light of day, or it'd be the evening, but there'd still be a lot of people there, and you'd have to buy the adult magazine in the underwear there.
00:29:09
Speaker
Anyway, we got more civilized over time. We got rid of the adult magazine. It was just, and by the way, when we started doing this, it was well into internet pornography. That had nothing to do with it. It was the shape of making someone buy it. It wasn't for the actual utility. So we would just have underwear bets and we would just cash them in like the next time you saw that guy. So we would also, as we've mentioned, drink quite excessively at these things.
00:29:36
Speaker
So it was me, Chris, our friend Tom, and maybe my friend Adam. Adam was definitely, there might be a couple other people. And I want to be clear, this is the first Ring of Honor show I went to with Fax. I hadn't been really in on Ring of Honor. He's like, you should go. This is fun. We get there. We find a spot on the second floor, sort of near towards the bar. Fax says, would you like a Long Island iced tea? I go, I guess.
00:30:03
Speaker
And then we proceeded to drink, you know, a fair number of those Ring of Honor shows are long. They're long and drinks are not that expensive in the grand scheme of things compared to other events in New York City. People are like club prices than like a Yankee game or something or a Knicks game or something like that. So we're putting them back, feeling no pain. I've I've informed Chris about the underwear bet. We are betting on the matches and Chris is just wiping the floor with me. Right. He's up, you know, three or Thomas, I forget some somebody's
00:30:34
Speaker
I have basically we're like three matches from the end of the card. I got to get all three just to tie it up to draw even to just not. Oh, underwear. There's no way I'm getting underwear. And then it's, you know, a red dragon match. And I it's my pick. And I don't recall who they were going against wrestling the addiction.
00:30:57
Speaker
Chris Daniels and Kazarian, who I'm in on, because I've been watching, it's been so long since I've watched indie wrestling at this point. I'm like, Chris Daniels, I recognize him. Yeah, whereas I had been pretty routinely on all the Ring of Honor shows for a bit, and I'm super, super into Red Dragon, and I think it's my pick, and I'm like, Red Dragon, final answer, no doubt, confidently. Chris is totally happy with that bet. We watch the match, the addiction goes over,
00:31:27
Speaker
And that's it. I'm a, I've officially lost the bet. Now we're on the long Island ice teas at this point. I would say between the two of us, uh, at least the baker's dozen, probably more somewhere in the range. That's too many. It's hard. You know, it's hard to remember the exact number when you're it's, and I'm sure we had a couple of drinks before we got there too.
00:31:52
Speaker
This was 2015. It was simpler times. You were young boys. It was you could handle all of this booze. Yeah. Well, not well as the stores go. So anyway, and again, the bar is like feet away from us, but we have to stay on the railing. So we keep doing like one person goes to the bar, gets around for everybody while everybody else holds the railing, you know, the seat seats by the railing because it's GA and
00:32:20
Speaker
just go over there. And I think it's before I go to get drinks, there's just this guy that had been standing next to us the whole time. And we've been kind of like conversing with and stuff like that, like just casually as you do with other drunk wrestling fans. And he's like, Oh, this, you know, this is my friend, Bobby. And I'm like, Oh,
00:32:41
Speaker
Yeah, you're Bobby Fish, you just wrestled a few minutes ago. Like, yeah, I know, I know who you are. Like, we're literally here to see you wrestle. And he's like, yeah, Bobby Fish is kind of like not like, yeah. And then I just go, I get, I don't kind of don't think of it. I get the drinks.
00:32:57
Speaker
And then I guess somehow I just start getting a little incensed while I'm getting the drinks. And I go, hey, Bobby, hey, Bobby Fish. And again, he's maybe six feet away from me, probably less. Like definitely I was closer to him than you would be to Sasha Banks at her meet and greet. But I'm yelling as though he's much further away. And there's another match going on in the ring, by the way. Like this is again, there were still two matches to go. And I just start going, I go Bobby Fish.
00:33:25
Speaker
You owe me pair of underwear! You cost me underwear! You did it! And then he gets, and he's just not amused by any of it whatsoever. And he'd already rested to the left, he's all sweaty, he got in the shower, and he just finally gives me an eye. And he never asks why, like why I owe him underwear, why he cost me underwear.
00:33:53
Speaker
I think I volunteered the information to make it less weird. So, you know, that's when, you know, you've reached a certain level when you're explaining to a professional wrestler that you gamble underwear on his matches to make it less weird. And that's why Bobby Fish has always been a heel to facts ever since then. Always has been, always has been. I'm on team hung bucks all the way.
00:34:20
Speaker
And that is, that's why you can't meet Sasha Banks. You have too many Long Island iced teas. You start yelling at her about underwear. Now you've got security in, even though you're six feet away.
00:34:30
Speaker
You know what, but it's not universal because I think at actual meet and greets, I've been okay. Chris and I also once, we have a friend that's usually able to maybe make things happen sometimes when WWE comes to Madison Square Garden, and we once went for a... He got us a free tickets and a free meet and greet. We hung out with...
00:34:52
Speaker
It was Bray Wyatt and Nia Jax, and they were just dolls. They were loving us. We took this Christmas picture in Christmas sweaters, me, Chris and Paul of the of the Jews in Reviews podcast. The three of us just had a great time with them. So, you know, it's just Bobby Fish. Do you think you could have a sit down with him now?
00:35:16
Speaker
and be civil? Like, do you think that, one, would he remember this? Two, like, will you be good? So, I don't know what life as an indie wrestler is, even a big time indie wrestler, like top line indie wrestlers he was.
00:35:32
Speaker
So I don't know where that was on his scale. I'd like to think that he'd at least, I don't think he'd see my face and go, oh, you're the underwear guy. But I think if I said, you know, if we kind of queued him up on like, oh, I was the guy yelling, you owed me underwear. I think I'd like to think that he'd remember that. And I'm pretty sure like I did yell, you owe me underwear at him.
00:35:59
Speaker
many more times in the future, but then it was normally in the context of like me in the crowd, him in the ring. So I don't know if he, you know, he certainly heard me when I was young and I'm five feet away at the bar. I, you know, I can't promise that he's ever noticed it in other circumstances when I've subsequently yelled about him costing me underwear.
00:36:18
Speaker
Isn't it insane that we feel so comfortable yelling at these strong boys? Like men who could absolutely just beat the absolute fuck out of us, but because in our minds like these are strong acting boys. I can say whatever I want because they are characters.
00:36:37
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we were watching. We all watched over the weekend that Appalachian Championship wrestling match with Beastman and Shane Douglas. And there were people just yelling at horrible things at Shane Douglas. And again, his performance, not nearly as good as Beastman's, but still like a mother and son just laying into him like it was 1996. The ECW arena. I think that's different, though, right? She's a veteran. He understands the spell that Beastman puts people under.
00:37:07
Speaker
You know, I think Shane's a pro and gets that. Although I do got to say, listeners, I don't know if Garrett asks a lot. I listen to most of these episodes. Maybe there's a couple of yes for a lot that I haven't heard. I don't know. But I've never asked you for anything. I'm asking. I'm imploring you to look up Appalachian Championship Wrestling. They have a YouTube channel.
00:37:35
Speaker
And just enjoy. And three new subscribers on this show. Yeah. And I love it. I don't know whether it's because it's alphabetical or it's in recency of subscription. It's right there first. When I go to YouTube, I go to my subscriptions. It's the very first thing there. I'm looking for that blue dot. I'm looking for that blue dot, hopefully. And they post content pretty regularly.
00:37:56
Speaker
and have for pretty much it seems like since the beginning of the pandemic, give or take, maybe slightly pre pandemic. And they have Shane Douglas does a series of interviews called what was the Appalachian undercover or something like that.
00:38:11
Speaker
Um, there's Beastman matches. They're wrestling. They're wrestling in what appears to be a barn with a dirt floor. And and what we found looking at their Facebook, most of the shows appear to have free admission. So they are. I don't know if they have a sponsor, if they have like a rich, you know, owner like like Tony Khan, but they are open to the people. They're like, look, come see our shows and bring a chair.
00:38:39
Speaker
Bring a chair, they always mention bring your own chair. Yeah, bring your own chair and then it's free. The shows that we saw, it appears to again be in a dirt covered barn, but a nice barn. It actually specifies that it's like a horse riding facility in the flyer for it. Yeah.
00:39:00
Speaker
It kind of looks like if you know that Cactus Jack Van Hammer match from 1991 WCW, where it's a falls kind of anywhere and they end up fighting over the stalls. It's like if instead of them just fighting over there, they just like set up a ring in the barn. Well, and the best thing of all is they are promoting shows moving forward still continue to be free. They are apparently, as far as I can tell, in the parking lot of a BW threes.
00:39:26
Speaker
which I assume is not the barn, unless they literally set this thing up, do a pony show during the day, and then get a couple of matches in the evening. This is mostly happening, or they're all happening in West Virginia, which is Beastman country. He is from deepest, darkest West Virginia. They're Beastman fans. I love everything they're doing.
00:39:49
Speaker
I want to know more about it. I want to befriend these people. I was telling you guys, I thought, you know, I've been to Japan, I've been to Madison Square Garden, I've seen wrestling at the Rosemont Horizon. I really thought going to Arena Mexico in Mexico City, that was kind of the last thing on my wrestling bucket list. Not anymore. I got to still go to Arena Mexico, but I think I got to get to West Virginia first and see one of these shows in a BW3 parking lot.
00:40:19
Speaker
You've got to get there and interview that mother-son duo who have clearly been to all these shows. That's my hypothesis, you guys know. I shared this. I think one or both of them is the proprietor. That's why admission is free. They just are doing the show for themselves. They don't want a TV show, right? They don't want to be AEW. That's a lot of work. They just want to see old ECW wrestlers and Beastman.
00:40:47
Speaker
and they'll put on a show and just let anybody that wants to go come for free just bring your own chair, right? They're not gonna pay actually if you have a chair, but. Yeah, I will point out one thing at the beginning of this, which the video of the Shane Douglas Beastman match runs around 17 minutes. They don't start wrestling until at least the eight to nine minute mark. In wrestling, very loose, very loose term for how this match starts, but.
00:41:19
Speaker
The one thing I did notice before they were wrestling, I saw a man walking around the crowd with a bucket. So they are doing the way that the musicians down on Broadway and Nashville get paid. They're going around with a bucket asking for tips.
00:41:37
Speaker
And you know what? It's like this going straight into Beastman's pocket. Here's a Chris Pundi. Put that right in his no, no, no, no, no, no. Here is a rubber banded from a bank stack of 100 singles strip club style. I want to seem like Ted DiBiase doing it. Absolutely. I mean, it's but OK, so maybe there's donations. Maybe it's gambling.
00:42:02
Speaker
Maybe the bucket is they're doing some underwear, maybe they're paying for Beastman's attire. It's donations to the wrestlers because I don't know. Another thing about that video, and again, these guys can't be like, Shane Douglas is still a name. You still have to pay him to go to West Virginia, right? Who's their champion?
00:42:26
Speaker
What was that? And he's the host of the shit interview series. He hosts a monthly sit down interview series. He's on every show, it seems like. But there's also like we've seen New Jack before he passed, Sabu, Buff Bagwell, like they're getting.
00:42:44
Speaker
not the top of the crop in modern day, but like, they're getting guys they have to pay some money for, and they're like, people need to be free. They're doing the Lord's work. And best of all, this video too is, you guys obviously call it, we now know what the official local West Virginia, the Beastman people have shown us what the official Beastman chant is. Beastman, Beastman, husk, husk, husk. Beastman, Beastman, husk, husk.
00:43:11
Speaker
Yeah, so we implore all of you guys to do it along with us at all future stops for him. I mean, it'll be no time before people are just doing it. It'll be easy. It'll be like, you know, when The Rock says, you know, like, it'll be like that. But if you want to get on board, you've got maybe three or four weeks.
00:43:30
Speaker
to be one of the early adopters on the Beastman Jam. When they're chanting this at hockey games, you want to be the one who can say, I was chanting. I was one of the first people to chant that when people were just doing it at wrestling shows before it became just a national thing that people chanted. So when it is. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I was going to say, you know, you can say that you were doing it when it was just the thing at wrestling shows when it's replaced the the Pledge of Allegiance and we're doing it to honor President Beastman.
00:44:03
Speaker
Oh, thinking of this rocky Maya Villa level rise of Beastman, billion dollar movies every month, TV show. He's not gonna have tequila, but he will certainly have a barbecue sauce that takes off like no other. Ooh, his seasonings? Ooh, man. I would love some of those deepest, darkest West Virginia sea rubs that Beastman recommends.
00:44:29
Speaker
So I think within the next year, we need to make your bucket list item come true. I looked it up. For both of us, it is an eight hour drive. Oh, very nice. That's how far I drive every time I drive to Chicago for one of these AEW shows. And you know what? I wouldn't mind drinking some Long Island iced teas in a barn.
00:44:56
Speaker
I think we could, at the very least, I mean, mountain dues. I'm sorry. I was going to say some hard mountain dues, get some actual moonshine, right? It's West Virginia. We can get the real stuff. Yeah. I mean, I'm in, we go down to the DC area, not super infrequently. That's basically exactly halfway from me. We'll take that one off there. I mean, we're going to figure out a weekend, right? I mean, but this is actually going to happen for sure.
00:45:23
Speaker
Well, okay, so this is such an odd thing. We spent, we had a very long group text about West Virginia, the ACW promotion, and what is happening Labor Day weekend in West Virginia.
00:45:38
Speaker
Oh yeah, I think we've all kind of fucked up, right? I'm gonna be out of the country. I'm not gonna be at any wrestling shows. Gary, you're going to All Out, right? I can't, I can't. It's too close to baby time, which I realize I just kind of glossed over for any of our listeners. Yeah, I do have a baby on the way now. It's been an interesting 11 months since we took off. Yeah, there will be a baby about All Out weekend, too close for me to be able to go to All Out.
00:46:08
Speaker
Do you want to tell them about the eye patch, too, that you're now sporting? I actually wear two eye patches. I'm blind. I took too many blue shoes, and it's true. You can go blind doing that. That is how the baby happened. That's why his favorite wrestler in all of us is Beastman, is because you can feel him entering a room. You don't need to see it. You don't understand.
00:46:37
Speaker
I will be at all out weekend with our compatriot Derek. We're going to dynamite. I think I believe thanks to our listeners a little on that one and all out itself and probably art of war games, too. We haven't figured that out yet. But yes, so we won't be in West Virginia where Beastman is in a war games, a motherfucking war games match with Beastman.
00:47:05
Speaker
Easily the best War Games match of the weekend. Sorry GCW. I don't know if Nick Gage will be ready for War Games 2. If he is, maybe I change my mind. But we got Beastman, and I say, facts, I don't know if you're on board for this. You and I should not watch All Out.
00:47:23
Speaker
We should just hear it secondhand from Derek and Chris, who will be in the building. You and I get to watch war games and tell them what they fucked up and missed out on. Now, I believe that it's going to be on YouTube, right? So it's not even like IWTV or fight. It's just full blown YouTube. Is that right? Look, there's a good chance wherever I am in Chicago, even if it's at all out, I will be watching the war games streaming on YouTube.
00:47:55
Speaker
So is there, you know what, I did not even consider that maybe we don't get to see live because as far as I can tell, it is not on IWTV. I think it was advertised as being on YouTube, but I don't know that they have the live technology. So we'll have to figure that out. But we'll take that offline if there is a way to make that happen.
00:48:21
Speaker
We're going to make that happen. It doesn't matter that I'm going to be in Iceland several hours off the I'm doing it. And if it's not possible. Well, listeners, if you know anyone in West Virginia that has an iPhone and a love of Buffalo Wild Wings and right. We will pay for I will pay for their wings. I will pay for their wings if they can FaceTime us in to Beastman War Games.
00:48:54
Speaker
This is, I mean, I'm in on this. I am in, I really, yeah. You can get as close to the ring as you want, as far, I think. Like you gotta bring your own chair. I'm not paying for your chair. I will not pay for you to buy a chair. You gotta find your own. This one may have, there's no mention of bringing your own chair on the poster for this one. So this may be at a place with chairs. Can you imagine pulling up to like any restaurant and seeing a war game set up in the parking lot?
00:49:24
Speaker
I, uh, I can't, but that's, I mean, it's amazing. By the way, I'm googling about it. Victory championship wrestling. This one, not Appalachians, victory championship wrestling. Um, tickets not on sale yet. So I can't tell you how expensive it's going to be, but it's going to be worth the price of admission for sure.
00:49:45
Speaker
Yeah, if they got to put that cage up, I think they get they got to charge something for tickets, you know, or at least have like a minimum bucket of wings size. You got to order. So now here's a question. Here's a question. Just dropping your bones. And then when Beastman enters, he just drops his big bone and somebody's some small child's bucket and just shoots up, gets detritus everywhere.
00:50:11
Speaker
So I, I have a question for you guys. So I'm looking at the teams for the war games, right? On one side are a team called the deplorables. None of whom I recognize clearly heals at least to us. Um, on the other side, heroes in West Virginia, potentially, I don't know. Beast man, someone named Andrew palace, Zeke Mercer, and a mystery partner.
00:50:38
Speaker
Who do we think Beastman's mystery partner is? And why is it Nick Gage? No, it's Shane Douglas, right? It's Shane Douglas. Yeah, it's Shane Douglas. And then he's going to do his next monthly interview with Beastman. He's going to pack it in that weekend. They're probably doing, because just like all out, they create this cottage thing.
00:51:02
Speaker
are the war games too. There's a lot of shit. It's the same thing for West Virginia. They're going to do the big war games. They're going to do an Appalachian. I'm sure is doing a card that weekend to, you know, really get, get everybody in West Virginia. It's going to be Shane because it did seem like we're not going to spoil, uh, the finish of Shane and beast man, but there definitely seemed to be some respect shared between the two of them at the end of that match.
00:51:29
Speaker
He definitely they definitely were going for for, you know, the the the double babyface thing at the end, I think. Speaking of respect and beast man, I I do have a little bit of a problem with a crime he posted over the weekend on Instagram. It.
00:51:49
Speaker
I don't know, it felt weird. If I were in traffic, this would have bothered me. He was stuck behind a parade in a long line of traffic, and his Instagram also very weird because you get to hear him speak, you see him in street clothes. It's a peek behind the curtain that I... Have your personal account, give me my Beastman account. I need Beastman doing Beastman things, not driving on the wrong side of the road, cutting an entire thing of traffic.
00:52:17
Speaker
Yeah, because in real life, he's now, he's Brendan Fraser at the end of Encino Man, not Brendan Fraser at the beginning of Encino Man, which is the way he was in his early career. Don't get us wrong, he's still wheezing the juice. For sure. Yeah, he has on a shirt. And you know, that is not how I know my Beast Man. My Beast Man actually can't get into a Buffalo Wild Wings because of his attire. That's right.
00:52:50
Speaker
So I will say, I do want to take a bit of a hard turn here, because we did talk about this. One thing we had on the list of things talked about today. From West Virginia to Tokyo. I have been watching the G1 now. Is Beastman in the G1? So they're using Jonah as sort of their Beastman. It's not quite as good, but Jonah's doing well.
00:53:19
Speaker
Um, in fact, I would actually argue. So, so I think the G one's been good. It's been enjoyable. Um, the four, the four blocks thing has definitely heard it. Um, in the way that we all thought it would, cause there's just less great matches and just by percentage more chase Owens matches. Um, yeah.
00:53:37
Speaker
Goddamn. See, I want to get back into New Japan, but now more Chase Owens? You're already not selling me on this, but I hope that you go. So again, Garrett, Garrett, come join me, the AXA show. Chase Owens ain't ever fucking on that thing, right? They're only given an hour a week of whatever's going on in Japan. I think I've seen him in a six-man once. Okay.
00:54:05
Speaker
So I will say, I'm going to make a couple of recommendations. I don't want to make too many because I don't want to overburden people here. First, Jonah Okada from Over the Weekend.
00:54:14
Speaker
was delightful. If you're a Jonah fan, Okada did really, I mean, people were comparing it to Vader against Anoki from the 80s. It's not quite a squash at that level, but Okada did make Jonah look like a king and he's clearly going places in New Japan. That's exciting. It's a fresh guy at the top at the very least. I'm not a huge Jonah fan, but again, he's a middle-class man's beast man. But it's still-
00:54:43
Speaker
They're setting up Jonah for a big match where him and Mox are gonna bleed a whole lot and he'll never be on television anywhere. Oh, for sure. Yes. He's actually gonna make him go behind a curtain and blade. The match ends behind that. You never see the finish. And that's, once again, just for Mox. The other thing I would recommend, which, yes, I mean, that's definitely gonna happen, by the way. The Mox thing's 100%.
00:55:12
Speaker
One of the things I really liked about the G1 this year is they have gotten a few of the, you know, non Japanese guys in the Gaijin as the insiders like to say. Tom Lawler has been a delight.
00:55:27
Speaker
He's taken the Japanese people really into him taking his jorts off into the tight jorts. Very funny with Yano. Yeah. He's been both funny and the Japanese people are falling in love with Tom Lawler. I actually, because of Tom Lawler, I broke my no tag matches rule today and watched the tag match with him and Zack Sabre, because they're not going to have a singles match. And I just had to see that.
00:55:53
Speaker
they had a round of technical wrestling followed by them screaming about George Michael and boy George in each other's faces. And that's kind of what I love about wrestling right there. Who is in Tom Lawler's block? So that's the big boy block. That's Jonah, Falle, Lance Archer, Jeff Cobb, Yano,
00:56:22
Speaker
um, Lawler and Okada. That's the beef boss division. Why did they do that to Okada? Why does he have to go against the beef man? The boys that are in the laboratory right now creating a seasoning that's going to blow your mind and Okada has to fight them? All of them. One by one.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's been interesting. It's just like, again, like the, the parallels with Okada and like early nineties flare just continue to be uncanny where they're just like, eh, the fans are over him. Just toss him in whatever bullshit like he needs to be there. Otherwise the fans are resolved, but they don't really like him. And then, you know, obviously it's what everyone loves.
00:57:15
Speaker
Yeah, bad luck folly is like Okada's sorry, like Flair's like junkyard dog. When he had just had to wrestle like main event of Clash of the Champions against junkyard dog because they just had no one else. And it's like, I guess he's got to wrestle folly. It'll be fine. And then it's Okada's fault if it doesn't draw. Right. Yeah. Um.
00:57:36
Speaker
You know, I, I, thanks for letting me know. I personally, I'm going to just keep on, I've been trying to, I'm way behind on the axis show, trying to catch up on that. And, but I have found it refreshing. And we were, we were talking before we went on air, you know, talking about guys like, uh, like Naito that it's like, I was so sick of him. Right. And I just felt like all of these guys like, yeah, the matches are all good, but I'm just bored and bored. And after.
00:58:01
Speaker
taking some time off from New Japan, and now kind of coming back and kind of limiting my intake, it's made all of it really more special again, where it's just like Naito Tanahashi
00:58:16
Speaker
I assume I've seen that 35 times. If not, I could certainly make it make it play in my head without too much difficulty. Yet now that I haven't seen, you know, I mean, I've seen Tanhashi wrestle a bunch of guys in the US, but I haven't really seen either of those guys fight anybody on a big stage in a Japanese match in a while.
00:58:38
Speaker
it does make it a lot more a lot more exciting and hopefully that can be another thing with these g1 guys is just bring in some new blood right that's what they surely needed and whether we you know we might disagree with how they do the blocks or exactly the guys just obviously we want more a you guys you know but.
00:58:56
Speaker
You kind of get any new blood is going to be really good because it just makes that's the new Japan problem was never the matches. The matches never stopped being great. It was just that they kept they were getting stale and I kind of sort of didn't really care who won.
00:59:12
Speaker
It's honestly, yeah, it kind of got to the point where WWE was just repeating the same matches every single week, but on a grander scale of, you know, physicality and, you know, workmanship. Yeah, it would be like if somebody adventured to Mars for the last several years with no WWE coverage and they came back the day before SummerSlam and they were like, ooh, Brock Roman too.
00:59:41
Speaker
like and there's a tractor like it would have been pretty badass yeah no that was definitely a big problem for new japan was that they it felt especially last year the middle last year it felt like i was like i think they're just repeating themselves i think they're just out of opponents like it was the same they had like three junior tag teams they just kept wrestling each other for the title it was like well
01:00:03
Speaker
They were, these guys didn't challenge this month. I guess it's got to be the other ones. Um, and so yeah, I've been with you facts. Like I, I like the G one a lot. So I've been kind of like getting up and watching again, not all of it be clear, like chunks of it. Um, but outside of that, I'm going to hang with the access show and just kind of catch up and you know, an hour a week, make, keeps it special.
01:00:24
Speaker
And you know, by the way, who is a heavyweight with some history in Japan, not in the G1, but is available now is a free agent who I think could could maybe do some things in New Japan. Johnny Ace. They go. Yeah, Johnny Ace, maybe he could get some some Jonah matches in Tokyo.
01:00:46
Speaker
Well, is that what I mean, does Johnny Ace really want to wrestle over there? Is that going to be a that could be a Conrad thing? Because we were discussing this before the mics came on. You said that Conrad has a plan or it seems apparently on his podcast, he said that.
01:01:04
Speaker
The Flair thing, he does not plan any more Rick Flair matches, but this was proof of concept of something for Conrad. My assumption is that this is proof of concept for everyone's last match. Conrad's going to produce the freak show ending for everyone.
01:01:26
Speaker
So basically, which I by the way, I buy it 100 percent because it seems like the first star cast was setting up for this right for the flares last like clearly all the star cast of getting bigger and better was all about eventually promoting a show. Now he's promoted show. He wants to promote more shows, bigger shows. But if his end game is making legends of wrestling. I think you should check the history books on how that one went.
01:01:56
Speaker
I do think he, look, I think there's an idea of doing these matches that I think there's a,
01:02:04
Speaker
a freak show aspect to them that I think is interesting. The question is also though, look, Flair is one of the biggest stars in wrestling history and someone who, again, we were all well aware, had nearly died not that long ago. I don't know if I'm as excited to see The Undertaker wrestle one more time, although maybe there's enough people that that's a market. Here's why I don't buy it.
01:02:28
Speaker
Right. Because Ric Flair is unique in that he is, you know, wrestling immortality, one of the biggest stars of all time. And of the biggest stars of all time, he is the only one that almost recently died and has no fucking money. Right. Like, because Hogan.
01:02:48
Speaker
but like Hogan, Takers, Shawn Michaels, people like that. If they were ever going to do it, they're gonna do it for Saudi money for WWE, right? Conrad can't compete with the Crown Prince.
01:03:05
Speaker
That's yeah, I can't think of anybody. It flares caliber. Like, yeah, you're right. Just that literally that exact situation like Jake, the snake isn't there. Like you're not going to get six. What was it like six thousand five hundred? You said it was around the. It's something in the six thousand range, six, something in six thousand range. Gate was almost as big as all in higher ticket prices, obviously fewer tickets, but that's wow.
01:03:35
Speaker
Well, granted, they all in could have probably sold twice as many tickets, right? Right. Right. Whereas they, you know, moved to a larger venue, which I guess all in couldn't do because a larger venue than 10,000 is a little harder to do on short notice. I don't know. I'm not going to put too much into it because I don't think anyone's going to be interested in flair again after this. And again, I just can't conceive of anyone that's anywhere near that star power.
01:04:01
Speaker
that WWE wouldn't just do, right? If they were willing to do another match, why not, like they'd get paid more to do less in WWE. What do you think Conrad's plan is, if not that?
01:04:13
Speaker
I think his plan is to just promote more matches. I just think I think it's going to be more. I can't get one. Well, hey, I think there's definitely going to be more flare matches. I called that before he wrestled. And what we've seen happen in Puerto Rico, which we get to in a minute, has seems to make people agree that that was almost definitely not his last match. Now that he's proven he can make money still. So I get like, could he get like Mick Foley?
01:04:43
Speaker
now that they have a podcast together? Like, would Mick be willing to do a tag match? I think Mick Foley is probably about as big as he can get. And I think that because you can't match Flair as a one off, again, either you start overtly promoting it as we're just going to keep doing these till Flair dies. But I think
01:05:03
Speaker
Even Conrad, I don't think would quite go that far. So I think it is going to be more the legends wrestling like, well, we'll get another flare match. We'll get you fully. And maybe we can get you Jake the snake. And now there's three matches. I think I do think though, again, I said this last week, but fully undertaker Helen Estelle 25 years later with tag partners. I think they are crazy enough to do it. And I, I think I'd kind of watch that.
01:05:28
Speaker
I just, again, I can't imagine taker, right? He doesn't need the money. He like, and again, he could have kept doing Wrestle manias.
01:05:38
Speaker
watching Taker's face, like we were close enough in that arena that we could, I kinda kept looking at what is Undertaker's reaction to some of this stuff. And there were times he had looks on his face where he wasn't on camera that just felt like, ooh, this is worse than Goldberg and me and Saudi. This is, you know. He just had, he had moments where it seemed a little cringy for him. Maybe it won't happen, I don't know.
01:06:09
Speaker
Or maybe again, with Vince down as CEO, and they do want to make WWE seems by all accounts, they want to make it more attractive. Nikon's been doing it for years to being sold, right? I think that there is now an inevitability of WWE being sold. It may not be for 10 years, but I think there's an inevitability of it. So you got to clean it up. So, hey, maybe WWE does formally
01:06:34
Speaker
cut ties with the crown prince and somebody. And we talked about this last week. Somebody's got to step in that crown prince wants to see raslin and he wants to see raslers from the 80s and 90s. So I think you can I think Conrad could get expac. You know, I think he could get expac and maybe Mick Foley. I don't know. Al Snow. Have we considered the crown prince could be funding Appalachian Championship Wrestling?
01:07:05
Speaker
Maybe he's a big ECW fan and a big Beastman fan and he's just like, look, I need a place for these guys to work and I can't show up for these, but you got to put it on YouTube for me. And also Shane, can you talk to Buff Bagwell? I really want to hear you guys have a conversation. That's exactly what's going to happen. We're going to plan something in the fall. We're going to go down. We're going to go to that address. There's no Buffalo Wild Wings there.
01:07:28
Speaker
We just find out there's a whole conspiracy. They say it's in a parking lot of Buffalo Wild Wings. It looks like it's in a fucking horse barn. And it turns out they just keep the lights down so you can't tell it's just sand. It's just sand in the Saudi desert. And for the prince, it's like you bring your own chair because he has a fucking throne. So what is he here? You know?
01:07:56
Speaker
Makes sense. Well, I mean, when they did those Saudi shows in WWE, right, they did, everyone had those like lounge chairs in the front row. So maybe that's the idea. It's, you know, hey, we can't get those nice lounge chairs for everyone, but everyone kind of, it's an open seating scenario here. We're not gonna pack people next to each other. You're gonna be- Yeah. You know what's another show that had free tickets? When Kim Jong Un had a super show in North Korea.
01:08:24
Speaker
I think the Saudi prince, those people aren't paying for those seats in the stadium in Saudi. Are you suggesting that Beastman could do 150,000 against Flair in North Korea? I'm suggesting
01:08:40
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, OK. Yeah, that's right. Final answer, except for he may get in trouble because if Kim Jong Il thinks he beast man makes him look like less of a man and there's really nothing beast man can do about that. Right. I mean, he's fucking beast man. He's a he's a he is a handsome pile of man. So that could get him into trouble, but it'll be a hell of a hell of a gate.
01:09:10
Speaker
up until then.
01:09:18
Speaker
dark side of the mat when Bischoff's talking about jogging in Korea and who knows if that's real or not but just imagining the way he tells that story and how confused all these Korean people were of seeing this like this this white man just jogging freely in the morning and they're all confused and kind of freaking out. Imagine you replace what early 40s Eric Bischoff with fucking Beastman.
01:09:45
Speaker
You could do that in West Virginia, and it's going to it's going to rattle a few cages, let alone. In Pyongyang. What we're saying. Ada, what is it, Appalachian Pro Wrestling, the Appalachian Championship Wrestling?
01:10:09
Speaker
You've gotten some good word said about you on here. I know the tickets are already free, so you can't give us free admission, but maybe you provide our seats and we'll keep saying nice things. I think there can't be a ton of podcasts talking about this promotion right outside of West Virginia. Maybe we should sponsor a show.
01:10:33
Speaker
If that, oh my God. We'll throw some money in the bucket from afar. We sponsor a Beastman match. We get him on here. He becomes our regular fourth.
01:10:45
Speaker
I just remember like every time we used to do like a Davey Boy Smith episode, we'd always see a bunch of extra downloads in the UK and stuff like that. I just wonder if like, Garret, you check in like a couple of months and just we're flat everywhere else, but just our West Virginia numbers, our West Virginia numbers and our North Korea numbers are both just going through the roof.
01:11:07
Speaker
Do you think that somebody close to Beastman was like, there's these fucking weirdos that are three different states talking about you. There's something there. You're hitting with people. The word is spreading. That time that they saw you in the Malcolm X Community College really left a fine memory.
01:11:32
Speaker
Well, okay, wait, if we can get in contact with the Appalachian people, right? And we can get something at the chair shore. What if you guys do what you're going to do with your steak off, but save some of that seasoning. You do steak off to judge, taste, or beast man. That guy, you're going to have to make that real rare.
01:11:58
Speaker
Yeah, I'm gonna be so disappointed if he's a well done man. He wants it right off the bat. You're gonna have to just make turkey legs. So I don't think they make choose your narrative turkey seasoning, but whatever. I show him the four seasons and he says, throw the vegetable one away. I think we bring it, we go to the show, we bring a portable barbecue, we cook for Beastman.
01:12:28
Speaker
in the horse barn. It's a big room, it's not gonna smoke everybody out. If anything, it's gonna look like there's a haser there, give them a little production value. Well, and we know the Beastman has wrestled the bring your fans, bring weapons to the match. So we could also use the seasoning as Fuji dust, right?
01:12:51
Speaker
You are stealing spots from control your narrative. If those guys had any sense of humor, that spot would have already been done. But you know what? I'm pretty sure sense of humor is in the list of don'ts on that 10 page list. If they also have a sense of humor, we would never be talking about them. I don't think. And they didn't take this enterprise so deathly seriously.
01:13:17
Speaker
When do you guys get to see them? Like how many months away are we from hearing a report back from? It's just about one month, right, I think? Not more. November is Control Your Narrative. We're a month away from Beastman. Oh yeah, I meant Beastman. I'm sorry, I was, yeah, you're a month from Beastman, couple months from Control Your Narrative. We've got a lot on the horizon. It sounds like you're out next week, facts. It might just be Chris and I.
01:13:45
Speaker
Are we cooking steaks and talking? I'm happy. Maybe we'll see if we can get a guest or maybe because we might need someone to fill the space if we're eating the steaks on air. Like someone's going to need to be able to speak for us. Yeah, I don't need ASMR of us. I think going back and listening to the sound of us quietly eating steaks is going to make me throw up. So I need somebody talking over the chewing.
01:14:14
Speaker
Right. And you need somebody that either knows about Beastman and or about drinking, drinking Mountain Dew, hard Mountain Dews at a wrestling show, right? Because otherwise the listenership is just going to drop off.
01:14:31
Speaker
Yeah, either way, next week, we're gonna be back with some amazing content for you. When we talk about Beastman for another 20 minutes, you're goddamn right. But guess what? This week, we did it at the end. So we surprised you thought maybe they're not talking Beastman this week. Of course we're talking Beastman this week. We did Moxley up top this time. Next week, who knows? Maybe we talk about both of them in the middle.
01:14:57
Speaker
That's it, that's it, the show's over. I just think you should rate, review, and subscribe. Give us five stars, just like every Beastman match. Absolutely. Because they can't give us seven stars.
01:15:10
Speaker
Yeah, they should be able to, unless, does Google allow reviews and stars yet? Or is it just an Apple thing? If you're on the Apple, give us those stars. Give us those reviews. Follow at Gart's head on Instagram. That is where, and you know what? At Predetermine podcast as well. I'm gonna start updating that. I feel like we need to start posting pictures of Chris's shirts every week.
01:15:31
Speaker
where he got him so show you where you can get his fantastic shirt collection regardless of what his wife thinks and also check out those hard way heater matches uh because at the I forgot to mention this I wanted to throw this in at the end at least after his first one in the pit John Wayne Murdock came out with a microphone welcomed him to ICW after the second match against Gary J which he won
01:15:55
Speaker
It was awesome. And then Demanto came out and informed everybody that he will be fighting in a battle of the tough guys in Boston at the end of the month against Hoodfoot. Hoodfoot's all okay? Yeah, Hoodfoot is the guy that ended up getting Heater's spot when he broke his neck. So this is kind of getting the revenge for him getting that spot, you know, after he was out.
01:16:21
Speaker
Well, that's going to be because Hoodfoot had had a pretty bad injury. GCW show like a month or two ago. So I'm glad Hoodfoot's back as well. That injury was fucking gross. I've never seen anything like that. They literally broke light tubes. And instead of breaking them over each other, we're literally poke stabbing, you know, like it's nasty. Don't can you edit that part out just in case John Moxley is listening? They did what now?
01:16:49
Speaker
I can't even put it in their dick hole. I'll put it in my fucking dick hole. I want to swab that thing around like a COVID test in there. Renee's podcast is going to be, if you're hearing this, Renee's podcast is not a sponsor. If you're not, she's become a sponsor to get us to cut this. I can't wait for a pleasant chat between Renee and Beastman. Okay.
01:17:17
Speaker
All right, everybody. Oh, sorry. Can you give somebody else? No, just I'm done. Adios. I'm out. Hit our goddamn music?