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170: Doppelgänger Origins & Stories
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Hey cryptic cuties, we have a much lighter ep this week! Revisiting something disscussed all the way back in our 1st ep about Death Omens, we have Doppelgängers.
The idea of doublewalkers, evil twins, fetch, ka, or spirit doubles, has been around for centuries from all around the world. While some stories of their appearance seem to bring illness, bad luck or even death, others seem to be more benevolent.
Kelsey shares some examples of historical figures who are said to have encountered their own doubles, while Alanna has some more recent stories off Reddit.
If you have ever encountered your doppelgänger or someone who looked eerily like you, send us your story, we would love to be able to share it on a future ep!
Happy Listening!
Here are some cool pictures of identical strangers from around the world https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2024/10/14/francois-brunelle-doppelgangers
Here is the funny video Kelsey sent Alanna, It will get stuck in your head!
https://www.tiktok.com/@shansheridan1/video/7425681275459030315
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Transcript
Introduction and Hosts
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Darkcast Network, indie pods with a dark side.
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and Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids where the castles are haunted. And the cryptids are cryptic as fuck. And I'm your host, Alana. And I'm Kelsey. And I'm doing my NPR voice. No. I hear American podcasters say that. NPR? What even is that? National Public Radio, I think? OK.
Doppelgangers Theme Revealed
00:00:49
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That makes sense. I was like, voice goes up in question mark. Question mark?
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Uh, I hear the saying all the time. I was like, I don't know what that means. No, I think we have coast to coast. Anyway, that one they talk about. I don't know if that's Canadian, but they do talk about like, they have people want to talk about aliens and stuff. So encrypted. So I hear about that sometimes too. Yeah. That's cool. Um.
00:01:17
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But I also hear that people that listen to podcasts and talk about it on Reddit don't like when people don't tell what the theme is for the first 10 minutes. Maybe I should tell what we're talking about today. Yeah. Actually, I'm really excited because Kelsey had the good idea to do doppelgangers, which we haven't touched in a dog's age, I guess.
00:01:43
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Yeah, I've kind of had it in my back pocket since the very, very first episode. I was like, oh, some of the death omens type stuff was like, yeah, we might need to revisit this. I enjoyed that. I talked about so many things 150 years ago. No, but that was a very good ecliptic episode, other than it was literally episode one.
Technical Challenges and Audience Support
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So it's also quite cringy maybe and hard to listen to but and I do remember first I can't remember why we were recording it on our phones I think at that point and for whatever reason I remember at least having to do my segment three times uh so it's like the you're getting used to it how does the stuff work and we don't have our
00:02:38
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microphones in the mail yet, probably. Yeah, like technical difficulties or whatever and stuff going on. I just remember fully recording my whole segment three times and it was and was like, oh my God. The editing capabilities were not quite there on the app. No. We've come a long way, baby. yeah We hope anyway.
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Thank you for everybody that stuck with us. Yes, all the ratings and reviews and comments and likes and Patreon supporters really help. so Yeah, we love you all. We do. I sometimes do think maybe we'll do buy me a coffee thing that other people do because it's like a one-time donation. Yeah. I don't know. Maybe people are leery of things that are memberships.
00:03:35
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even though it's just as little as $2 a month. But anyway, this is our one Patreon mention. This is when we get one. We will mention it again. Bye. Bye, Esso Timmies. Because we're Canadian, eh?
00:03:50
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Yeah. No, it's weird because people will do it. They'll be like, it's my birthday. Have some like, yeah, Timmies on me or whatever. And it's really sweet. Oh, cute. When people do it to like their favorite podcasters that I've heard of.
00:04:04
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Also other people have voicemails that they set up and people can leave voicemails too. I don't know. We don't have a huge listener base. So it's like, you never know what to like do next. But if you guys want it, let us know. Yeah.
Personal Doppelganger Stories
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Then you can call in. Tell us a funny story. Call me now. Call me Miss Cleo. I'll tell you a fortune. Okay. Oh,
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oh That old John Avision show. Anyway. I just think of Zoltar, that fortune teller-like booth that spits out the card. There's one at the mall. It's in like every movie ever. Yeah. Wow. Is it really us here telling you these stupid stories already? Or is it our doppelgangers? Maybe. Maybe.
00:05:03
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maybe we died maybe we've been replaced well you went dark this time i was gonna say did you ever have someone that people called your doppelganger because when i was in high school um there was a girl whose name was crystal that you know had glasses and stuff like me and people um sometimes like mistook us for one another and i was like okay i was like yeah kind of look like her, but you know what I mean? like When it's you, you don't really get it. You're like, eh. I have one that ah two of my closest friends in high school told me about, and I didn't see this person, but
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ah Both of them swore and one of their younger sisters that was with them at the time, all three of them swore it was me. They like yelled my name. ah It was at like a bus transfer station on the way home from school. Really? And yeah, they yelled my name at this stranger. And then when me, ah when I didn't... Gordo, what are you doing? Jesus. Scratching under the desk.
00:06:12
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He's making himself known at minute 11. Yeah. Uh, yeah, they called my name and when the person didn't turn around and be like, Oh, Hey guys, cause I was driving to school. I wasn't taking a bus. So like, why would I've been at the bus transfer station hanging out? Kind of weird.
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Yeah, then ah yeah ah they turned around and realized it wasn't me, but were like, oh, that really looks like Kelsey. And they told me about it dozens of times in the year afterwards about how this person looked eerily like me. And all three of them had 100% sworn it was me. And I was like, I've never seen this person. So if you're out there and you've got randomly screamed at at a bus stop, and oh Someone ever once yelled, Kelsey! Yeah. They yelled like, Kelsey, what are you doing here? It's like, what? Yeah. but had They did one on New Girl the other day. It was like, oh, does anyone ever tell me, tell you you look like my dead friend, Karen, or something. And I was like, oh my gosh. But I have had people say things, not like stupid things, but things where you just like don't know how to respond, where they're like, oh. and
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like Like, do you have a picture of this person? That I can be like, oh, cool. But like, if it's just hanging there, it's like, what do I do with this? It's usually, yeah, like, do you remind me of a friend of mine? And you're like, okay. Like, great literally with that much, you have nothing to go on. Not cool.
00:07:53
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Hope you like them. Yeah. Yeah. Is that a good or thing? a bad thing?
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Pat's friend, his name was Pat too, but like his DJ name was Voloshin, so that's what we usually called him. Because you got to differentiate when you have several Pat's, right? Yeah. Pat was Gog Pat, because that's his DJ name, DJ Scog. Anyway, um and Pat, Voloshin, Pat, we used to say, you look like a Nicole, and every time we almost talk, we're like, but it's not Nicole, it's Elena, right? it's like Yep, yep. You got it! You would tell you you would look like somebody named Nicole that he knows? Like more like oh you look like more like a Nicole or something. Oh yeah. I don't really remember now. like
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yeah He's no longer with us or I would ask him but it's like those little things right where you're like okay. Well that's not my name!
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Call me Elena Nicole. No, I don't. It would have been funny if that was like your middle name because so many people go by their middle name as well. ah Right. Could have been like, oh, that's my middle name.
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Like when there's two Kelly's in the office and one goes, well, I always wanted to go by middle name, Erin. Bam. She's Erin now. Yeah. That one was kind of funny. Wish granted. Yeah.
00:09:31
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Oh, well, are you going to start us off today? I'm excited. Yeah, I do have a slight, I almost want to call it a palate cleanser from how how dark and ah I don't know, frustrating. I think I called it frustrating on ah Facebook.
00:09:55
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ah How last week's episode was a little depressing. Yeah, yeah. So this could be a little bit of a palate cleanser. um I have a funny TikTok. I want to show Elana I'm really hoping she has not seen it because I don't go on TikTok.
00:10:11
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so This is like yeah somebody showing- Yeah, probably not. I don't spend an awful lot of time on there either, to be honest. um So I'm going to send it to you. I think it's hilarious. And if you haven't already seen it, you 100% have to share it with Pat when we're done recording because I think he would think it's hilarious as well. I hope it has to do with doppelgangers. No, it does not. It has nothing to do with this episode. oh I'm sad to say. Oh, did you say that you may have? Okay. Yeah.
00:10:42
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Ah, so there's the link. and You might have to turn down your ah headphone volume a little bit. I think it comes in really loud. Oh, that's good to know. I just think it's hilarious. We'll include the link in the episode description. Yes, they do that on the Neatcast sometimes. They'll start watching a clip together and then they put in a sound effect that sounds like an old timey like film reel going to show like whatever.
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yeah i was like i could probably pull it up on my phone but honestly you need to watch the video that accompanies this because it it makes up half of the greatness okay i'm getting a video with the caption this is a song about how slow killers walk in scary movies but somehow they always catch their victims yeah is that right uh the song if you do listen to the song it will get stuck in your head you're right you're right i didn't have the music up cause they're doing like a catwalk yeah um michael is is smokingking he's gonna be voting killer as well i love it
00:11:56
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I think I've watched it like a hundred times. I meant to show it to you like probably a month ago when I first found it and I forgot about it. And then I found it again earlier today and I was like, I have to show this to Atlanta. Victims Run, killers walk. Okay. Yeah, I'm totally getting the vibe. Almost reminds me of this guy I used to watch on maybe Instagram. I was like a dancer from Toronto or something. and do his little dancey things and then you can, you know, you can add like your little bubbles and your little after effects and make it look like you're dancing with stuff. But that was... nice that but Pat will probably enjoy that. Yeah, I just like it that it's Michael Myers' mask. Total Michael Myers, like, yeah, the outfit or the coveralls or whatever. And he was doing things to that.
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doorway. Yeah. but so He was on the doorframe and voguing. got
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They do. Did you always walk and the big victims always fall down? so Yeah. ah life stop looking back behind you like just run faster and look at the ground when you run not not ahead so much like but it's always dark and it's always uneven yeah there's always a up a sticking tree root that's gonna hook your toes the dog decided that was a good time to sit up against the door and open it on me you trying to scare your mother
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you Anyway. Yeah. You gotta to show Pat the video. and sorry I will. I think he'll like it. It was good.
00:13:56
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Oh, anyway, I'm all tangent. But yeah, now that he's been hanging the Michael Myers masks down in the basement, it's like, some days it's like, Oh, it looks like someone moved the Michael Myers mask to look over towards the bathroom a little bit more or something like that. And then everyone's like, No, I didn't touch it. It's like, Oh, really? No, that's creepy. Don't do that. I don't like that. Yeah, but it's like, anyway, anyway, moving right
Historical Doppelgangers
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on. What do you got to tell me? I'm excited. I have ah
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some distance This was on, well, I guess it was listverse.com. They had a thing, 10 disturbing tales of doppelgangers. I feel like I've gone there for sources. Yes, I like that website. It's a breaker. You're like, okay, here's a little blurb and stuff I can dive into. Yeah, they had a decent amount of information. like ah I don't know, three or four paragraphs about most of these. I was like, oh, that's kind of more than like,
00:15:02
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basically the slightly longer caption that they typically have. So. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This was article by Polly Poitier.
00:15:16
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yamer Oh, and sorry. Okay. um But I know you have some background information about the applicators. I don't want to cover anything they have at the beginning. Oh, I figure if I go second, then I don't have to. We won't have to. I'll try not to overlap too much, I guess. Oh, that's what I'm trying to say. Yeah.
00:15:49
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Uh, and it was handy because the main guy I was going to cover was like the first one on this list. I was like, Oh, perfect. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. Um, his name is Johann Wolfgang von Gove. Oh, okay. I feel like I want to run across. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The name like came up or whatever. I was definitely on the media page. So.
00:16:16
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Yeah, I think a lot of these are coming up. his but The power of Fenrir's butt almost opened the door. I can't hear it moving. The power of Fenrir's butt!
00:16:34
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So, Johan, he was born in 1749 and died in 1832. Okay. Back in the day.
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who He was a famous German writer, poet, and politician, a celebrated author who played a large part in shaping the field of literature, and his words were widely read and respected.
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um A lot of poets I felt like came up on the page. Poets and writers. Yeah, weird.
00:17:14
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Poets, writers, and politicians. He's all three. Because Abraham Lincoln. Yeah, he's also on here. OK. OK. So one day. Spoiler, he hadn't seen our first episode. Sorry. Kelsey talked about that one already. Yeah, I'm sure we talked about that. Gosh, you guys don't remember? Get out of here. Go back and listen. No, don't. We love you. Stay here.
00:17:38
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um Yeah, his his experience was interesting. One day it says a depressed Goth. He was riding on a footpath after leaving a girl named Frederica, and suddenly he faced a mysterious person riding towards him. The person who Goth said he saw with his with a mind's eye instead of his actual eyes um was clearly Goth himself.
00:18:07
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although he was wearing different clothes. He says the figure soon disappeared and goes who found its appearance strangely soothing, soon forgot all about it. I mean, I probably wouldn't forget about it that quickly, but okay. Interesting that he said, like, he saw it in his mind's eye. Because I wonder then, the more I think it was just a figment of my imagination being like, oh, what would it be like if I was over there doing this?
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then maybe he just brushed it off. I guess. Yeah. Eight years later, he found himself... Sorry. Yeah, I like this one. ah Eight years later, he found himself riding down the same footpath in the opposite direction ah to also see Frederica again. and That's when he realized he was wearing the exact same clothes his doppelganger had worn in those eight years before.
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um oh Yeah, so he like saw himself in the future. And there were clothes he he didn't recognize too or something, right? At the time, I guess. Yeah. What the hell? I wouldn't wear that. Yeah. Then he was like, Oh, it's we were a literally watching this soup the episode of Supernatural the other day where they find out there's a guy who's written a bunch of books about them. And then spoiler alert, he's a prophet of the Lord. And so he keeps being able to predict everything that's going to happen. And they're like, no, it says Dean that you're going to have these little pink band aids on your forehead. And then he ends up getting like hit by a minivan and the lady's like, are you okay? And the daughter had put like the pink band aids on his head. And it's like,
00:19:57
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all coming to fruition. He's like, damn it. We thought that would never happen. Yeah. Yeah, weird. um What's interesting with Goth, this isn't the only doppelganger he ever saw. There was another time where he saw his friend Frederick ah walking on the street wearing Goth's own dressing gown. ah It says, puzzled, Goth went home only to find Frederick there wearing the same gown Goth had seen on the apparition.
00:20:28
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ah His friend had been surprised by the rain and had borrowed the gown as his clothes dried. like So he had seen Frederick out on the street wearing his gown, but Frederick was at Ghost's home wearing the gown. So each time he had seen a vision of the future, basically, for those ones. Yeah. yeah that's That's what makes those ones interesting to me. It's kind of like deja vu.
00:20:57
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yeah or like I'll hear a story of ah someone riding into odd trails or whatever where they're like I saw someone coming down the path and there was no one around and I thought hey guy and then it's like 20 years later I saw someone coming down of the path younger me and I'm like wait what the fuck and it's like literally like I don't know what you call it like if it was younger you would it be a time loop would it be a vision of the future would it be like a weird glitch in the matrix interaction it's just like So interesting, I don't know. Yeah. a Yeah, the there I think is a few more details about the story I remember seeing somewhere. um Yeah, but interesting. Oh, totally. I liked that he he at least saw he experienced kind of like both sides of it. He didn't just see something. And then this was like he um he saw himself years later.
00:21:57
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in that same area and then like it happened and then like he sees his friend wearing the dressing gown but then he goes home and he his friends wearing the dressing gowns. Right. It's like twice for him which means it wasn't even a death omen at all because he just yeah true kept going. Then we have Catherine the Great. um She's an interesting character.
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person. Yeah. ah She was a powerful 18th century Empress of Russia, and described as a dangerous figure, and not fazed by small matters such as seeing her own ghostly doppelganger take over her throne. but yeah They were made of stern stuff. They went through some shit to be a royal. Four things. 18th century. Anywhere I feel like would just be awful.
00:22:53
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Oh, I literally like, I think wrote down a topic earlier that was like, cruel rulers or something. Cause oh there was one Russian Empress lady that was like, go sleep in this ice palace. The two of you. And if you can make it through the night, like I feel like she was like, comes off like an evil person at a fairy tale. Sam. Right.
00:23:19
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ah For Catherine the Great, it said that one night, Catherine was lying in her bed when worried servants told her that they'd just seen her enter the throne room. When Catherine set out to investigate, she found her doppelganger sitting calmly on the throne, and Catherine immediately ordered her sentries to shoot her ghostly counterpart. Seriously?
00:23:45
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Yeah, this one kind of is a death omen. The stories don't tell whether the bullet had any effect on the spectral empress. However, Catherine herself died soon afterwards. So hers kind of was a death omen. Okay. Well, that was rather like, did she die of a stroke? Or was it a curse? Or did she have sex with a horse? Or was that the other one? There's a lot of foul rumors that go with some of them. It's terrible.
00:24:14
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Yeah, it was probably something more mundane. But that's really interesting. Yeah, I don't know. I don't know what it says, what she died of. Yeah, but like the fact that someone saw it and then she could have the time to come out and see it too, I find that really fascinating. Yeah, enough that like she orders them to shoot it. What they said she dies from. Okay, I think I hurt a stroke? I don't know. I was listening to some head history podcasts this week. Noble Blood is a really good one.
00:24:55
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She came to power after overthrowing her husband Peter the third.
00:25:01
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I think it's like, katherine though they had an episode that was like Catherine the Great and Peter the Meteor Ogre because he liked to just like play with his soldier toys and stuff. He was just not suitable for maybe this kind of job. up Yeah. Come on buddy. Gordo just came on the on the desk and just leaned his head against my arm. Maybe you're sweet.
00:25:31
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Gordo, Kelsey's furry boyfriend. I'm just kidding. He's being cute. That's nice. Fenrir was like having a fit earlier and getting the zoomies when I came home. Oh, yeah. This was because I forgot something in the car and then he was like, where did you go? Where did you go? Oh, yeah. I can't find what she died of right now. OK. Something.
00:25:59
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ah The next one is Percy by She Shelly, husband to Mary Shelly, author of Frankenstein. That is so cool. um Inventor of science fiction. And like, poet writer. Hail Mary Shelly. The historical ones seem to have that total um theme.
00:26:26
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But yeah, super cool. Love that. Yeah. Uh, Percy Shelley was a brilliant poet in his own right, although he's mainly remembered as the husband of Mary Shelley. I like that. He doesn't get to be his own person, he gets to be her husband. Right? Yeah. Because sometimes you're like, I know that person's, yeah, his wife. Yeah. Uh, although one should, would assume that Mary, the horror writer, would have been the one to see ghosts and monsters, it was in fact Percy who witnessed doppelgangers.
00:26:59
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ah Shortly before Percy drowned in a sailing accident in 1812, he confessed to Mary that he had met his doppelganger many times, which I think is interesting. Oh, so before he died again. Oh. Yeah, but like multiple times. Gordo's tail just did like the corner. I know he's mad because he was trying to do something. I thought I was having a seizure.
00:27:28
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mrrop play These confrontations included one particularly haunting experience where he walked onto a terrace, only to be greeted by his doppelganger who asked him, how long do you mean to be content? What? How long do you mean to be content? How long do you mean to be happy? Yeah, that's creepy. I went on a balcony.
00:27:59
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I mean, oh yeah. It seems like rhetorical. I don't know, bitch. Get out of here.
00:28:07
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ah Strangely, Percy's doppelganger was also witnessed by her close friend, Jane Williams, who saw it passing her window on a route frequently walked by the real Percy ah that led to a dead end but never returned from it. Isn't Percy the husband? Yeah.
00:28:29
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Okay. Yeah, he um Percy's doppelganger was seen by ah Mary's close friend Jane, I think they mean in this. Oh, sorry. Gotcha. Yeah, walked, passing by her window, a route frequently walked by the real Percy to a dead end, but never returning while the real Percy was nowhere near.
00:28:54
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So I think it's always creepy when multiple people witness it. Yeah. That seems like they, I've seen it used in a book where they're like, Oh, and then I saw the person where they shouldn't be. And they go running back to their house because they know they're probably going to be found dead. And you're like, Oh, like, yeah, very much death omen of death passing or like vision of them when they are passing or something.
00:29:22
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Yeah, it's almost like a, like they talk about residual ghost hauntings, but it's like that before the person dies almost. Like it's creepy. Yeah, some of the ones you hear are strong. I heard one the other day where they're like, went into the house and the person showed them around then went to go back to the house the other day, like the person had asked, Oh, come back, take pictures. And then they like come back and the neighbors like, yeah, blue house, blue shutters.
00:29:50
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That hasn't been there for 15 years since it burnt down and like they all died or whatever. You're like, what? Yeah, that's creepy. Oh, so creepy.
00:30:03
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Gordo, your tail cannot be on the laptop, okay? um Next is Sir Frederick Carnrash.
00:30:14
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This one's in 1906, British Parliament member Sir Gilbert Parker was attending a debate when he spotted this s sir fra ah Sir Frederick Kearney Rash, a fellow parliament member that was sitting nearby. Sir Frederick Kearney Rash? Yeah, it's like, ah yeah, Sir Frederick and then C-A-R-N-E, and last name's R-A-S-C-H.
00:30:44
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Oh my god, I love it. Carney rash.
00:30:51
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Probably pronouncing it wrong, but whatever. There's too many names in here. Oh, I don't know. Yeah. Just sometimes the Lord and Lady names don't sound so fancy because the their last names are like yeah something stupid sounding. No offense. Yeah.
00:31:08
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um Yeah, so seeing this gentleman greatly surprised Sir Gilbert as Sir Frederick was severely ill with influence at the time. oh no Still, he politely greeted Sir Frederick and told him, I hope you're feeling better. Carney rash did not react in any way. He just sat there with a stony grim expression on his face.
00:31:29
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oh and you Yeah. ah When Sir Gilbert soon glanced at his friend again, the seat was completely empty. Bewildered, he searched for Carney Rash in the lobby, only to find that no one had seen him pass by. When he discussed the event with fellow parliamentarians, it turned out others had seen Carney Rash too. um When the real Carney Rash, who had been sick in bed all along, found out about the incident, he was quite so unsurprised.
00:32:03
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He had really wanted to take part in the debate, so to him it made sense that his spirit had sneaked a peek. What? he didn't die? Then at least?
00:32:18
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yeah ah His family however was terrified and feared the doppelganger was a bad sign. in a small way they're superstitious as fuck it's like yeah uh in a small way they were right for quite some time carnie rash was annoyed by fellow parliament members who kept poking him with their fingers to make sure he was flesh and blood oh no please can you imagine like every time you talk to somebody they're just poking you yeah are you really this really you
00:32:56
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yeah yeah no no no ah be annoy a In the end, he had to write a massively sarcastic letter to a local newspaper, apologizing that he didn't have the good sense to die at the time of the doppelganger sighting and promised to have better sorry and promising to behave better next time. Wow.
00:33:22
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I love like 17th, 18th century, like snark and stuff because they're like so polite, but at the same time they're like so cutting. They're like, I'll be sure to die in time next time. Motherfucking hell, but they, you know, so classy, like. Damn, the put downs. They're epic. Yeah, Jesus. i didn't I didn't fully read these, most of these. I was just like, oh, these are like good write-ups. I was like, um I'll just cold read it. I was like, wow.
00:33:58
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um Yeah, they're fun. I like this. I know. You know what's fun is there's so much um content out there. You're like, doppelgangers, doppelgangers in history, stories.
00:34:09
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like All this stuff comes up. You're like, Oh my God, this is awesome. Yeah. Like stories, like books and the man movies, TV shows, all this stuff shows up now. Right? Like modern stories and then older ones. It's just like crazy. Yeah. Uh, next we have Queen Elizabeth I of England. Yeah. She reigned from 1558 to 1603. So quite a long time.
00:34:39
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Okay, right, right, right. Yeah, she was the last tutor to re rule the country, widely recognized as a charismatic, level-headed, and savvy monarch. She was the kind of person who one wouldn't expect to dabble with the paranormal. Okay, and was she the virgin one? They were like, who's going to be her successor? She never got married. And you're like, she had sex. No, it may not have come up in year. I don't know.
00:35:10
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I don't read a lot of historical. Well, no, but I guess if Queen Elizabeth II is the one that just died, is that not true? Yes. Okay. This is probably one of the earlier. This is one of the earlier Elizabeths. That's for sure. ah Yeah. That's what I know.
00:35:27
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Yeah, which makes it all the more scary when she claimed to she had witnessed her doppelganger. According to the Queen, the spectral Elizabeth was lying motionless on her bed, almost like a corpse laid out for presentation. The experience was particularly haunting because such appearances are said to be a certain sign of death. Yeah, still, it would be easy to take that well.
00:35:54
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No, but like, I wouldn't want to lay in that bed afterward. No, you're right. Still, it would be easy to put this down as a temporary glitch in the mind of an elderly, stressed out ruler. But if it wasn't for the fact that Elizabeth died soon after seeing the doppelganger. Elderly? Howl, won't she? No, no, no. Oh my goodness. That was Queen Elizabeth. Oops. That was Queen Elizabeth I though, right? Yeah.
00:36:24
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Oh, yeah, you said the 1500s. Okay, no, I'll just... I'm sure she wasn't that old. She must have... Yeah, I think she probably died in 1603 when her reign ended. okay I mean, how old was she? I'll check. I mean, she ruled for just shy of 50 years.
00:36:53
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She was practically a woman. Right. 1603.
00:37:01
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So she was, you know, 70, I guess ish. All right. Well, in the 1600, 70 was 120. She probably looked like she was 90 to be fair. Yeah. but I always love those things where they show somebody that just looks so haggard and like,
00:37:22
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weathered, and then in a movie or TV show that's like kind of a satire on something, they're like, I just turned 16 last month. And you're like, no. But you can clearly tell like some actor that's 70s playing them. Oh, right. Yeah, movies. I turned 20 next month.
00:37:43
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like They're always played older on TV. But yeah, then people joke about history that like, oh my god, you'd be dead at 50. It's like, I think more the average age was affected by the fact that many children died young, not so much that you couldn't live to like 60 or 70. But you looked fucking old. thank Yeah.
00:38:03
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and two but and more so people like commoners aren't the ones that live that long because they were like working in mines and farmers and stuff and I feel like those those kind of occupations are a lot more hard on the body oh sure yeah the conditions could make all the difference for sure yeah uh next is maria de jesus de agrita
00:38:34
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I like... Latina? Spanish? De Jesus? I don't know. Yeah, she doesn't really... I mean, it says in New Mexico. I think she's a nun, though. I don't think she's from Mexico. Haven't mexico Yeah. Okay. Yeah, she doesn't seem like it. I think she's just a missionary. This talk's about missionaries quite a bit.
00:39:00
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Okay. Um, although doppelgangers are generally perceived as sinister, it is said that sometimes a person is not only, it is not only able to control them, but use them as a sort of second body that can by by locate to other places in an instant. Oh my god, I should have pre read that. That sounds almost more like how astral projection can get all fucked up in that behind her eyes book slash miniseries. Yeah, absolutely. Don't leave your body alone. Guard that shit.
00:39:39
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in the 17th century explorers and missionaries
Abraham Lincoln's Vision
00:39:42
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to the New World were astonished to find that many of the tribes in New Mexico were already merrily practicing Catholicism. One question, the tribesmen said that they had been converted by a mysterious lady in blue who had taught them and even given them a number of crucifixes and other items of worship. This is crazy.
00:40:03
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Okay. With careful detective work, a few priests finally traced the phenomena to Maria Di Arguida, a young blue-robed Spanish nun. She claimed to have taught Christianity to the Indians by bilocating across the ocean. Mary had never left her- What was the bilocating?
00:40:27
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never i am yeah Is it moving to the other side of the I don't know but there is a different article under by locating by locating across the ocean um It takes me to a website trying to sell me a book called the other side of death Okay Okay, so I was like you took the words relocating and bye and just mash that something prefix in there Mary had never left her convent and only knew the places ah only knew the place she had been as a savage land, but her story was enough to convince the priests. Initially, the Inquisition was extremely suspicious of Maria, but they decided to acquit her of witchcraft charges. She was acquitted of witchcraft?
00:41:19
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that's because her yeah right i'm so shocked possibly because her story was just too good to waste. Her power was declar suspiciousious don so her power was her bower was declared to be of divine origin and she became an international celebrity, the leader of her convent, and an author of rambling books on how she acquired her powers.
00:41:47
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Well, now that's opinionated that writing, rambling books. Ma'am. You write rambling articles, person. Yeah. um However, later in life, she changed her story multiple times. Sometimes she claimed she was pressured to say she could habitually cast her spiritual copy to another continent. And sometimes she said it was true after all.
00:42:13
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That's wild. I feel like I need to look more about her. so Yeah. see I would also like to know more. Yeah. She's crazy. Okay. Right. Some of them seem to fall into other paranormal categories almost.
00:42:34
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Yeah. Like the premonitions or whatever that they seem to line up with is kind of crazy. ah next Next is Abraham Lincoln.
00:42:48
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o It might be one of the famous ones maybe? I think it might be more well known. I feel like I've heard it mentioned on a podcast or two. it's like They call him good old steady Abe. Nope, that's not it. This says Honest Abe. Honest Abe, that's it. Didn't he have teeth made out of wood? Yeah, like dentures made out of wood. That's George Washington. He had bad teeth. He had to have some dentures, yeah. Sounds gross. He'll make the cameo in Outlander there. Spoiler.
00:43:25
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byler
00:43:29
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i I don't have much more, just a couple more. Abraham Lincoln, known as Honest Abe, as such was very open about his interest in the paranormal, at least in private discussions. According to the man himself, he also experienced some paranormal activity.
00:43:50
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On the night of his first election, he took a moment to rest on his couch one evening, and while laying there, he happened to glance in a mirror and he saw his own visage, ah except that he had two faces. A second Lincoln, pale and ghostly, was looking at him from the mirror, right next to his own face. ah so Startled, he rose from the couch and the doppelganger disappeared, and he sat back down only to see it again.
00:44:21
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That's creepy. That is very horror movie coded. Come on. That must have been very scary. oh Poor dude. ah Lincoln was startled, but his wife Mary was downright terrified. She was convinced that the doppelganger... yeah um She was convinced that the doppelganger was bad news, a certain sign that Lincoln would be re-elected on a second term, possibly because two Lincolns equals two terms, but wouldn't survive it because the second Lincoln looked deathly.
00:44:57
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Linkin went on. She inferred that from what he saw, though. Yeah. She didn't see it, right? I don't think so. I think I heard stuff that she might have, but this one doesn't really mention that. Yeah, it's it's that's a thinker. That's a weird one, that's for sure. yeah ah Lincoln went on to repeat the couch experience every once in a while. He did manage to glimpse the doppelganger one more time, but after that it stopped appearing. Maybe it had delivered its message as Lincoln and did as lincoln indeed didn't make it through us his second term.
00:45:42
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That's a terrible sign. We all know it was like the first one to be assassinated. Yeah. I think successfully. This one says he didn't make it through his second term or, you know, maybe someone just fixed the mirror. Wow. That's what the article says. Maybe somebody just fixed the mirror. Love it. Okay. I'm like, maybe someone got into the theater with a gun. Yeah. That's probably the problem. um Anyway. ah Next is George Tryon.
00:46:23
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and Okay. I had heard his name. I think I saw the name come up too, because I went Tryon, also a name that comes out in Atlanta. Drink. There was a general Tryon in the American Revolutionary era. Oh, well, this is a Vice Admiral. Ooh. Yeah, that's quite a title. I think that's pretty high up Vice Admiral. I don't know if it's like that's pretty important. Yeah, it's definitely like military something.
00:46:58
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um June 22nd 1893 was not a good day for Vice Admiral George Tryon. He was commanding two columns of ships off the coast of Syria when he gave a command for the columns to turn towards each other.
00:47:17
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This attempt at a majestic naval drill maneuver turned out to be an amateur mistake as the first ships promptly rammed into each other and one of them, the one Trion happened to be in, sank like a stone. Trion died knowing that he had just doomed 357 men to drown. His last words were fittingly and heartbreakingly, it is entirely my fault.
00:47:43
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No! This is crazy. Okay. Um... At least it was that and not... This is not my fault. No, I didn't do it. The guy that made the stupid Ocean Gate Titan submersible said, safety just is pure waste. At least he was that kind of an idiot. I was like, yeah, I'm going to endanger other people's lives. My stupidity, because I think I'm rich and invincible.
00:48:12
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They use it as a soundbite a lot on this podcast I listen to called Disaster Hour. They're like, thanks for the great soundbite. You're an idiot.
00:48:23
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oh Oh, God. Oh, this is creepy. Uh, at the exact same time, Trion's wife was holding a lavish party for their friends in their London home. Suddenly, to the guest's surprise, Trion appeared at the party. Silently, he walked down a staircase, solemnly proceeded through the drawing room, and opened the door as if to leave before he suddenly disappeared. Oh. Yeah. Bro, the whole party, that's so creepy. Yeah.
00:49:00
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I love it. I have to say. Yeah. He was dressed in full uniform as if he was commanding a drill. ah There are some holes in the story. For instance, some say Lady Trion was busy with the guests and never saw this doppelganger while others claim she was the one or she was one of the onlookers. Still the tale bears eerie resemblance to old sea tales of a sailor's fetch.
00:49:30
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Another name for a spirit doppelganger, alerting his family upon his death. Okay. No, it is, um, when I looked up Vice Admiral, it is a like a naval, a senior naval rank. So that makes sense. Like a senior in the naval, um, military or whatever.
00:49:51
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And fetch. I've also heard that. That one comes up in mind too. And I was like, oh shit, I feel like I've heard this term in historical freaking books that I've read. Because I'm a history nerd. And I was like, oh my god, stop trying to make fetch happen. I don't think that's quite what they meant. No, but it is a different word. I know, I know. But I was like, yeah perfect opportunity.
00:50:22
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Yeah. Oh, it worked for like a double, which is cool. Yeah. Spirit doppelganger. Right. Interesting. Okay.
Literary Encounters with Doppelgangers
00:50:31
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I have two more. There is Guy Tim. Oh my God. Oh, is it French? It's probably Guy. Guy Tim. I have no idea how to pronounce his last name. It's like M-A-U-P-A-S-S-A-N-T.
00:50:52
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ma a p a s s a n t
00:50:59
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sam ah yeah my mapa song i'm not sure something um He's a French writer known for what is perhaps the most oh intimate dub became your experience on record.
00:51:13
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Intimate! Okay, spicy. Yeah, cue the bow and cheek a wow wow, maybe? Casa Radica. No, that's supernatural.
00:51:27
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Toward the end of his life, he is said to have regularly interacted with his doppelganger. This eerie twin not only talked to him, but actually sat down and started dictating a short story to him.
00:51:40
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whoa yes he claimed that one of his last stories was literally ghost written by his own ghost no less oh my god yes i have a ghost writer it is myself um Yeah, it's automatic writing, but my own self. Oh my god. ah If that's not chilling enough, don't worry, it gets even better. The story the spirit allegedly dictated to him was the Horla, an unnerving tale of a man whose sanity is slowly consumed by an evil spirit that uses him as a host. As if echoing the story, his mental health started deteriorating soon after finishing it.
00:52:20
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oh wow um oh there's another version of events saying that doppelganger did not dictate the book as it disappeared when uh the terrified ge was called his servant what Oh, called his servant. However, the apparition returned a few months later. It entered the writer's room looking at him with a sad expression, then sat down and buried his face in its hands. As if in despair, convinced that the doppelganger brought news of disaster.
00:53:01
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um The horrified Giz life was downhill from there. He died in an insane asylum a year later. Oh my god. That's crazy. That really fucked up his life. Wow. Yeah. That's creepy. This is a creepy one. There's, and it's like, I don't know, I guess with some ghost stories where you're like, that's almost, you know, uplifting where you, it's like a family member or something, but then some of these where you're like, Oh no, it like ruined your life. You know, you're like, Oh my gosh.
00:53:40
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Yeah, actually, that is a good podcast that Eli Roth's a ghost ruin my life. Not bad. But horrifying, horrifying. Like to say the least. Yeah, don't don't want don't like no hard. The last one I have I had is one of the only ones I had heard before. I think they covered it on like the watcher channel from the guys that did the Buzzfeed Unsolved um things. Yeah, I think I've seen them on YouTube or something. Yeah, yeah they I think they did an episode somewhere along the lines about this. Her name is Emily Sage.
00:54:29
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um That's cute. Yeah, this one, there's a lot of stuff saying it didn't happen. but because it can't really, there's no historical documentation that that they can follow. Yeah. Hard to verify then. Okay. Yeah, but this one's pretty interesting. um Emily Sage never saw her own doppelganger, but everyone else did. Sage worked in an exclusive girl's school. She was a very good teacher, but for some reason she kept moving from one job to another.
00:55:03
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This sounds very familiar. okay yeah Interesting. That'd be so weird. As a teacher or whatever. ah In 16 years, she had changed positions an impressive 19 times. And in 1845, the school she was currently at, I guess, found out why.
00:55:25
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uh sage was allegedly the center of some very strange doppelganger activity her spectral twin was first seen during a class as 13 students witnessed a doppelganger standing by sage's side and mirroring her movements wow that that would be uh a little unnerving right i like this teacher but i don't want two of them
00:55:54
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creepy vibe or else maybe I'm seeing double. Yeah, you're just like confused. um Next it said beside her as she ate phantoming her movements or sorry, pantomiming her movements.
00:56:09
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Sage herself was completely oblivious to the apparition, despite the fact that everyone else could see it very clearly. oh wow However, she did become strangely groggy and powerless during the times that the doppelganger manifested, and the wraith was often seen doing things Sage letters later said that she had been thinking about at the moment, suggesting that she may have been some subliminal may have had some subliminal control over it.
00:56:38
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So kind of like what the other guy said. It was like doing stuff that he had thought about doing but hadn't done.
00:56:47
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Just as soon as you said so groggy, I was like, oh my God, I was so fucking tired today. but it's like I don't think I had any plans in my subconscious. At least I don't think so. Stop, right? ah Right. who Who's to say?
00:57:05
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a
00:57:07
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ah Soon the doppelganger ventured beyond Sage's immediate vicinity. At first it appeared to a classroom full of students sitting calmly in the teacher's chair. while Sage herself was outside working in the garden. ah The few people who dared to approach the doppelganger found that they could pass through it, yet it had the texture it had a texture that reminded them of thick fabric.
00:57:33
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Time went by and the apparition became a permanent fixture in the school's life, freaking people out on a regular basis. ah The girls' concerned parents started removing their children from the school, and although Sage was a model employee on a all non-paranormal or on all non-paranormal accounts the headmistress had no option but to fire her and her ghostly double i disagree with it that sentiment if she's a model employee other than this thing that she can't control it just sucks you know i guess it might have freaked out the kids but yeah i did really yeah come across some stuff saying that like
00:58:19
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they had gone through like the school records and stuff back in 1845 and like the year surrounding it and could never verify of this individual ever working at any schools. um Yeah. Yeah. I wondered if it it does seem like something that could be like maybe blown at a proportion. Yeah. Cause I mean, if she's supposedly worked at 16 Or in 16 years, she had worked at, I think they're trying to say 19 schools, but like they've never found any record for any of these schools. So yeah. Yeah. That's a lot.
00:59:00
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Yeah. But yeah, there's some famous cases. Damn. ah Was that all your famous cases on that list? Yeah. Oh my God.
00:59:13
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If there's a lot more famous cases than I realized, that's for sure. Yeah. Yeah, a couple of them I had run across when I was trying to look some up, like the ones that come up almost every time, but this list had a few I had didn't come across anywhere else. No, I like that. Yeah. um I found a few modern ones on.
00:59:37
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the reddit and then night yeah wikipedia had a few of those and a few uh at least one other one i guess that you didn't talk about so um we'll be right back and we'll have a quick you know other shallow dive deep dive i don't know doppel to doppelganger dive and uh or uh our doppelgangers will be here for part two That's so creepy. I don't know why I'm going to say that. I'm like, oh no. No thanks. Something will take me over. ah Yeah. All right, be right back.
01:00:22
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All right, we're back. What would you like to hear first, a little bit of um origin, yeah um more historical or the modern and Reddit stories?
01:00:36
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Let's go origins for... What is this? What did they do on Jeopardy? Origins for 200? No, sounds good. And I made the mistake of just adding so many of the ones I found on a Reddit. Plus...
01:01:01
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then they took up a bunch of one page okay i was like heading and then it was like whatever you know and you like try to copy and paste from a website so you don't get all the ads and stuff and then it was like we can only fit this much per page then it ended up like with with like one reddit story per page so then i felt like oh jeez like you have like 13 pages i'm like it's not that long and all right
01:01:32
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um most of us know the word origin comes from the german double walker double goer but yeah yeah i guess us anglophones don't capitalize it we usually drop the umlaut over the a i guess as most freaking computers don't know how to put an umlaut if you're not writing in german that's oh yeah i have yeah i have no idea to how to do it and i almost also don't know how to get the little like um accent over the e uh for french either oh exactly no i was complaining to rain the other day because she talks to her american friends so much like on online slash like on discord whatever that she's saying like on accident and i'm like that is the american
01:02:28
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It's by accident or accidentally on accident is not a thing.
Cultural Language Differences
01:02:32
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We're like very against it in this house. No offense. fair But what you say is wrong. And also then I have to change my word thing if it's like not Canadian English, because then it's like neighbor is spelled wrong. And I'm like, Oh, it's Oh, you are bitch. Yeah. It is our neighbor. Yeah. And color. Oh, you are. Yeah. Anyway.
01:02:57
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ah I have the same thing. I can't remember what it is that I watched that. Watch or listen to that they say on accident and it drives me insane. I think that's the problem is Rain will say it and Pat and I are like, what are you saying? We don't say that in Canada. We say by accident.
01:03:23
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I wonder if on accident came from people mishearing an accident. as in it It was an accident. It happened accidentally. You know what I mean? Like maybe it's an accident. You know, it's not on accident. Oh my God. Yeah. Okay. So just as you mentioned, another word that has been used more commonly before doppelganger caught on was fetch. Yeah.
01:03:52
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And that's when I wrote in my notes. They made Fetch happen. Oh, God. So in Egypt, a spirit double was called a Ka, and possessed the same feelings and memories as the original person, I suppose. Yeah. They said, and I didn't look up pronunciation. what
01:04:21
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But in North mythology, a var digger is a ghostly double who is seen performing the person's actions in advance.
01:04:33
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Reminds me a couple of your stories in advance. Yeah. Yeah. In Finnish mythology, this pattern is described as having an again pronunciation. well I'm sorry.
01:04:50
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Et-et-et-et-en, a first comer. Definitely said that wrong. Um, they mentioned, yeah, the historical cases, uh, the Catherine the Great one is, uh, one that comes up and it came up with my research too. And what's his nuts, Percy Shelley. Yeah. The husband to Mary Shelley. Right. And then the, yeah.
01:05:20
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creepy stuff um but then another one that came up was um a john dunn an english metaphysical poet i was like another poet he apparently saw his wife's double on the same night she had uh like given birth to this uh trigger warning stillborn child unfortunately okay
01:05:48
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Um, yeah, someone's, it's kind of rough, but it was documented, which makes it, I guess, you know, worthy of them putting it on the Wikipedia and such. It was documented in the life of Dr. Riz, Rizvan, Rizzing? Rising? I don't know. Rizvan Rising? What's that name? What that name? It starts with R-R-Z. How is that a thing? Danzig? No.
01:06:19
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Anyway, two days after their arrival there, Mr. Dunn was left alone in that room in which Sir Robert and he and some other friends had dinner together. To this place, Sir Robert returned within half an hour, and as he left, so he found Mr. Dunn alone, but in such ecstasy and so altered as to his looks. I think that might mean more emotional turmoil in this context, but bear it with me.
01:06:51
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I'm like, hmm. And so altered as to his looks, as amazed Sir Robert to behold him in so much that he earnestly desired Mr. Dunn to declare what had befallen him in the short time of his absence. Damn, that's such an old-timey sentence. Who would have had to say declare? I was trying to- I declare that you could then befell me.
01:07:17
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Now I hear a southern bell and I can't get it out of my head. Yep. I do declare. I do declare. You and Oscar are trying to sound like a southern bell and I always bring it up back to the office. It's your fault, Kelsey. Hi, Fen. Are you coming in?
01:07:43
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Is he just kind of, but is dad coming upstairs? Doug just opened the door with his nose. So, yes, do declare. To which Mr. Dunn was not able to make a present answer, but after a long and perplexing pause, did at last say,
01:08:07
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I have seen a dreadful vision since I saw you. I have seen my dear wife pass twice by me through this room with her hair hanging about her shoulders and a dead child in her arms. This I have seen since I saw you. Yeah, it's a rough one too.
01:08:30
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To which Sir Robert replied, Sure, sir, you have slept since I saw you, and this is the result of some melancholy dream, which I desire you to forget, for you are now awake. To which Mr. Dunn's reply was, I cannot be sure that I that i now live, then that I have not slept since I saw you, and am assured that at her second appearing she stopped, looked me in the face, and vanished.
01:08:58
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sorry but they're so old-timey yeah sometimes hard to get through but like that one was sad because apparently it did happen when his wife ah you know gave birth to a stillborn child when he wasn't with her and it's like oh my god that's so sad right it's like oh also why do they always have to be away from each other when they're pregnant yeah
01:09:25
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and would send women into confine during their like last two months. It was so crazy. You You'll catch the pregnant.
01:09:39
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um It's been featured in many short stories in like literature also throughout history which something I never really delved into but and I guess Edgar Allan Poe had a story like about a William Wilson, a short story. and okay He meets another William Wilson and then it's like quote, dogged throughout his life by the disturbing presence of the other William Wilson. As the story progresses, we learn that this weird fellow is not actually our narrator's evil twin, as we might have expected.
Edgar Allan Poe's Tale
01:10:19
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He's better than our narrator. He stops our narrator from doing a number of bad things before the original William succeeds in reasserting his uniqueness by an act of murder naturally. Oh, he's like the good, the good William Wilson.
01:10:36
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the good, the bad and the ugly. Yeah, no, there's apparently quite a bit of ah stories and literature that touch on the phenomenon, which is cool. I'd love to read some of these. um I guess that one was sort of a double or a inspiration from a Washington Irvine novel called An Unwritten Drama of Lord Byron. um And fun fact was Washington Irvine was the one that wrote The Legend of Sleepy Hollow.
01:11:06
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oh button I mean, also a cool scary story, right? And I just think Lord Byron, I'm pretty sure would be fun to cover because I think I heard him in the context of like old timey, just like bad breakups. Wow, you're a big dick.
01:11:26
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um ge heard you talked about another podcast where you're like, oh, even back in the day guys were just ah sometimes the same. Yeah.
01:11:41
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Um, but yeah, all these writers keep popping up. It was so weird. I was like,
01:11:49
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Um, there's been other stories in 1846 was the double, a Petersburg poem, uh, which was, uh, Dostoevsky. Oh, I didn't have that written in here, but it was. Um, and it had some cool quotes, which just even take it out of context. I thought we're cool and now I want to read it.
01:12:13
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One was, these gentlemen are my rules. If I don't succeed, I keep trying. If I do succeed, I keep quiet. And in any case, I don't undermine anyone. I'm not an intriguer and I'm proud of it. I wouldn't make a good diplomat. They also say, gentlemen, that the bird flies to the Fowler. That's true and I'm ready to agree, but who is the Fowler here and who is the bird? That's still a question, gentlemen.
01:12:37
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Oh yeah, I have it here. It's from Fyodor Dostoyevsky, the devil. Nice. Yeah, some of the stories are so creepy from the old ones, but I love the old ones and the modern ones from like the Reddit and stuff. And like, I feel like you're gonna read a whole bunch more on our er Patreon too. Like, what do you guys like more?
01:13:08
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like the old ones or like I have a few more of the modern like the reddit creepy ones that I didn't get to yet because I just did some of the the origins I would read some of them otherwise your segments like 15 minutes no I know you're right um but no and you've got it was good because you got to talk about some of the historical ones which was good so I I was glad I didn't, like, have too many deep drives than some of them. Okay, okay. Let me grab a couple of our good ones, about doppelgangers from whatever the paranormal thread was on Reddit. Okay, so this post starts, I had a friend years ago who worked in a funeral home. One day after work, her mom and grandmother watched my friend walk in through the front door of their house.
01:14:06
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and angrily march upstairs without saying a word, slamming her bedroom door. Concerned, they followed her upstairs to the second floor to see what was wrong. They knocked, no reply. They opened the door, room was empty, nowhere to hide and no way she could have left through the window. I don't think that's possible.
01:14:28
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They went back downstairs, baffled and shaken. 20 minutes later, my friend came home for real and was asked by them if she had come home and left again. She said no, she had just left work and came straight home now. My friend knew I was into creepy stuff and told me the story without having any knowledge about doppelgangers or mimics. We lost contact over the years, but I'd be curious to track her down and try to get more details. Yeah. I mean, I feel like you don't need to know much about doppelgangers to like,
01:15:00
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true i don't know no like recognize it yeah um this one's post this one's posted by someone called confused confuzzled
01:15:20
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right yeah like as I have one. This happened to many of us girls that work together. We worked at a dog kennel place. Many weird things happen, but let me stick to your main theme for this comment. We would hear each other speaking when we weren't even there that day. I would constantly see my manager standing next to next to me as I bathed dogs. Like she wanted to say something, but when I turned around, no one was there.
01:15:50
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who would randomly get called to the kennels or office and when we got there, no one was looking for us. See, if that happens at my word. all I'll hear, I swear I'll hear my name and there'll be like 20 cashiers and I'll let go and be like, who just called me? And everybody turns around and goes, nobody? And I'm like, no! I'm being haunted at work.
01:16:16
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okay like if i hear that like i can tell myself because literally i work so close to a girl named anna so like half the time i swear to god people are literally and talking to her anyway because she's like a phone agent because it's so funny that you're like no seriously but yeah sometimes i'll i'll come on and be like oh yeah like who who called for me who said my name and they're like nobody and i'm just like okay Yeah, no, that's really weird. Yeah, because on the radio, sometimes all you hear is like, E, you'll hear like the ending of your name, and then we'll just be like, who are you calling? There's so many of us that our names would end in an E sound like ra repeat, but this is like, in person, I'm sure, thinking I'm hearing
01:17:07
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somebody call me and it probably happens like four or five times a day. Like, where I'm like, huh? Yeah, just how many times this one girl, Cren, would say something like, Anna Banana. And like, that's all I have to hear because that's part of my name. and Yeah. Oh, no no, they're not talking to me. it's ah Yeah.
01:17:29
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<unk> So silly. um Did I finish that one? butpapa No. Oh, the kennels. Okay. ah We random randomly get called to the kennels or office and when we got there, no one was looking for us. Sometimes our radios turned to off would go on and sound, bring Fido to the office for pickup.
01:17:58
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Get to the office with said dog and no one had radioed nor were the owners there. Oh, okay. Yes. oh creep Yeah. Okay. Twice. One of my friends texted me mad cause she saw me talking to my, um, my manager on the day off and was upset. I didn't go back and talk to her for a bit.
Modern Doppelganger Experiences
01:18:21
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I didn't go in. We called it the mimic or imitator and it was always the same three of us that were mimicked.
01:18:29
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oh that's so creepy yeah i don't like that part just the three of you uh like i said a lot more in creepier stuff happened so if y'all want to know i can write out the experiences from that job have loads more from personal life and post a link here oh my god that's like when people write in listener stories and they're like and i'll tell you that one another day yeah you're like but how do i ever contact you i know what this was on the thread that was like this post was posted two years ago it's like someone posted back please miss may we have some more ah no and yeah like i had a few reddit posts but not i don't think a lot of them posted again yeah damn oh no this okay yes yes this was a good one from itty bitty 216
01:19:27
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Doppelgangers, around 15 years ago when both my kids were toddlers, I was putting them to bed one night and my son it was adamant that he wear his favorite red race car pajamas. I happily obliged. Yay. Helped and changed into them and tucked him into bed. Then I sat down at my kitchen table with a friend who had come over to chat and catch up. The way that my apartment was set up, you could see my kid's bedroom doorway from the kitchen table.
01:19:55
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My friend and I were talking for a while before we were suddenly interrupted by the sound of my son screaming. We both turned and looked at the bedroom doorway and saw my son standing there loudly crying slash shrieking and wearing his green pajamas with airplanes on them. Everything inside of me was screaming that this was wrong.
01:20:20
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The hair on the back of my neck ah stood on end and a cold shiver shot down my spine. My friend and I wordlessly stared at each other for a second. We both knew that my son couldn't change his pajamas by himself yet. We looked back at the doorway and my son was gone. Oh, that's really creepy. Yeah, I thought this one was. We ran to the bedroom and found him tucked in bed still sleeping peacefully in his red race car pajamas.
01:20:52
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My friend asked me if I had saw him standing there in his green airplane pajamas and I confirmed that I had. My friend freaked out and left. Damn. Yeah. That'd be me. I'd be like, sorry, peace out. I'll help you go burn the airplane pajamas in the backyard. But Yeah. Bye.
01:21:19
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You look back, I'm also gone. You're like, was she ever here? Yeah, like a cartoon, like just dust left behind. Yeah. An outline of me suspended in the air for half a second and then it poofs. Sometimes like like my mommy has a line that's like, see that flash? Look at me go. But I think that's usually more when she's not going to do something.
01:21:44
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Either way. ah
01:21:51
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I slept on my kid's bedroom floor that night to make sure nothing happened to them. My friend and I still talk about it to this day. It's one of the craziest things that's ever happened to me. My son, of course, doesn't remember any of it, but he loves hearing the story of how his doppelganger scared the crap out of us. LOL. I wouldn't love hearing about it. I'd be like, true that True. The demons in my closet while I'm sleeping.
01:22:21
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ah Yes, but if he's still so young and then close and he knows maybe they're not whoo evil. Yeah. Still creepy. I don't like that. I know. That's why I had a hard time choosing some of the creepy ones. ah but but Let me see if there's any more that I actually can skim right through.
01:22:50
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Okay, this one's kind of funny in a different way. From StarryLisa61 on the same Reddit thread, one day years ago I ran into a friend I hadn't seen for a few months. I said hello and she got a bit snippy with me and made the remark. I can't talk. And made the remark, oh now you're talking to me.
01:23:16
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Wow. right ah feel I was bewildered and even more so when she told me that she had seen me in her church at the 11 a.m. Mass at the past three Sundays. At the past three Sundays? Apparently. That's the Catholic one, I think, in Mass, right? I don't know. They devote it. No, I don't. OK.
01:23:45
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Um, but yeah, past three Sunday, she said she talked to me at each mass, but I either glared at her or ignored her. Wow. Yeah. no This bitch just doesn't want to talk to you. No. Can you imagine? It wasn't a laugh or a lie.
01:24:06
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She's like, I saw you three days ago.
01:24:12
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um But I just can't imagine like seeing you out somewhere and having you be like, I didn't see you. I don't know what you're talking about. just be like I'd be like, pull the security camera footage now.
01:24:27
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Pull the ripcord, I am done. yeah Emergency exit. oh She kept insisting that it was me, so I suggested that I go to mass with her the following Sunday. And I did. And pro I quote unquote wasn't there that day.
01:24:47
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We'd gone through grade and high school together and she knew me and swore up and down that it was me, dressed in the exact same coat I wore, the same makeup and perfume. So how was I there when I wasn't? It was truly mysterious. So she just caught you not going to church for three weeks in a row?
01:25:06
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It's funny when it says the coat, because like when you said that your friends thought they recognized you from Pine, I was like, oh my gosh. I thought but for a while, like your plaid coat, I was like, that's Kelsey's iconic coat. Yeah. She has a red, cozy, fucking plaid-ass coat. Yeah, don't I looked through my closet again. I definitely don't have it anymore.
01:25:32
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a
01:25:34
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rip It's gone. Those two jackets, one in black and white and one in red and black, ah for $20 each were the best investments I think in a long time. That sounds amazing. They were perfect like like fall and spring because they weren't too heavy and they lasted me, what, eight years at least?
01:26:01
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this is like so cool i mean i remember getting like a wool ass sort of trench coat thing from like secondhand when i was in my teens and i was like damn and like nowadays i'm like I think I looked maybe older than, or some things you wore, even if it was second hand. But like, you know, I loved your, the, yeah, your, your, it's like, I'm like, oh, can imagine pictures seeing Kelsey from behind and be like, that's Kelsey. There's her curly hair. There's her plaid coat. Like, you know what I mean? My grandma also used to tell me every time she saw me in the coats, she'd be like, I like that coat. And I'm like, yes, I know. It was so cute.
01:26:37
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brip kelsey's coat We need a memorial. People have the thing for their youth to like goodbye to my 20s. bo you system doing like a montage of I don't have a single picture of me probably ever wearing either of those jackets. so i Just like there exists maybe one picture of me when I'm pregnant.
01:27:01
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yeah yeah It was late before social media was like... I bought it from Urban Behavior for $20 each. Damn though. That good find. So was that wool coat even though I think it had like some weird sweet and sour sauce crud in the pockets. It was still beautiful.
01:27:34
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I can't remember. Hey, women's coats never have good pockets. No, they don't. They're always... I hate the ones where it's too high or too low. Or just fake. Yeah, that too. Do you remember what the fake pockets are? You're like, dude, it looks like there's a pocket and then there's not. It's just a slit. Ew, anyway.
01:27:59
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My favorite is when they they still sew the inside lining of what would be a pocket into the into like jeans specifically and then they sew the pocket closed and you're like but you put the lining in it's supposed to be a pocket. Oh my god so like theoretically there's a pocket. and I've had pants like that before that the pockets were sewn closed but it still had like the the lining that would be the actual pocket in the jeans but you couldn't get at it because um the tops of the pockets were sewn closed so you're like why did you waste the fabric adding the pocket lining then if you weren't if you're gonna sew the pocket pocket closed this is outrageous to me yeah big big pocket is out against women no their clothes need big pocket energy
01:28:54
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Yeah. Oh, my God. OK, so. All right, maybe this will be a funny one I can end it on. It's not putting any pressure. OK, my girlfriend and I were setting up some furniture in her basement. I told her I'd be right back, went out the door and up the stairs to get to the bathroom. She'd come up a minute later and was asking if I had come back downstairs.
01:29:21
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I hadn't. She began to explain to me that I came back into the basement, stared her down, and walked into the laundry room. Oh, not in a basement. Ooh. You know, and isn't that what everyone can afford ah afford for their ah first apartment or just me a basement?
01:29:45
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Um, she went to investigate to see what was wrong with me, but nothing was there. And I had been in a whole different area of her house and said the house was built in 1912 and it's very active. Her mother has seen a mimic of my girlfriend a few times as well. So crazy yeah, I don't like that. I don't. And there's the thing is there's like just so many of those. It's just like, you got more creepy, right? I don't know.
01:30:14
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Yeah. I was like it if it's like you gonna see yourself in the future like that one guy's story where he sees himself on the horseback or whatever and you're like okay. Yeah and then eight years later he's coming up the other way and he's like this is what I was wearing. They said it was like a black I think one of the other things I read, I think it was like a black outfit. It had like gold threading in it and like everything like it was a very distinct thing that he wouldn't normally wear or something and that's why he thought it was so strange the first time and then it was like eight years later that must have been like more so in fashion and then he's wearing it and he's walking down the thing and that's when he realizes he's on the same path going
01:31:05
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the direction he saw um wearing the clothes that he had seen eight years before, meeting the same person that he had just left um there. He was on their way to them from the other direction.
Deja Vu and Unexplained Phenomena
01:31:20
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Yeah, the part with the clothes. I ah think I'd come across that too, and I was like, oh I don't know if she's going to talk about that. I didn't want to deep dive into too many things on like just the Wikipedia. Cause I was like, I have a bunch of writing stories. I was just like, Oh, that's weird. Cause like the ones where it seems like it's a time loop time something. It was like, can you imagine if you just like, imagine, Oh, that person I saw a few years ago, it's just myself walking by. It's just like, wait, what do I do with that? Yeah, it's weird.
01:31:58
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but fascinating that's for sure um yeah i have like i have i think i've mentioned before i get like oddly specific deja vu type things um okay where it'll be like not just like oh that doorway looks familiar or oh this no whatever it looks familiar but it's like what I'm doing at the time and what I overhear somebody say and then like what they're wearing and sometimes it can be I don't know like 10 to 20 seconds straight like of like I know everything that's about to happen as it happens.
01:32:43
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And it's really weird. I had once at work and the one girl, she they were like really, really enforcing the dress code at work when I first started there at the beginning of COVID. And so everybody, like you weren't wearing stuff with writing and all that kind of stuff. and the one girl the one day after they kind of it got a little bit more relaxed came in she was wearing a uh i think it was like nascar or something like oh no like yeah like car racing kind of thing but something with a label which is not usually impermissible yeah it had like a crazy thing and it was like kind of like a vintagey looking one but i don't think it was actually vintage and it was like oversized and it was white
01:33:31
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and it had all these big like cars all over it. And then... Yeah, and if you just start it somewhere and you don't know what you can get away with, like, come on now. That's just silly. Yeah. um yeah But yeah, she had been there longer than me. And um like I remember, because I was still on door greeter, I was standing at the door, and she was on cash and she like came walking over and she was checking something because somebody was picking something up, one of the sold holds.
01:34:00
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And like stuff people pay for before and then they can't, if it's like a couch, well, can't, not everybody can just take a couch home out of nowhere. So they sometimes are like, Oh, I have to go rent like a U-Hauler. I have to go line up with somebody with a truck. So yeah, she was with a customer and they were coming to pick it up and she said the customer's name.
01:34:20
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like first and last name. And I remembered what she was wearing, what the customers were wearing, what the customer's name was, and the item that they were grabbing. And I stood there at the front of the store being like, oh my God, I like this whole thing played out. And it was really, really creepy because it's one of the only times I remembered ah I remembered when I had seen it like the first time and it was months and months before before I even worked at that job while I was still working with you that I saw this at a future job that I didn't imagine myself having with somebody I had never met in a situation I didn't even know existed
01:35:06
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Like, well, that's weird. Yeah. I was like standing there and I was like, Oh my God. Like, and it was, as I was happening, um, like everything that they saying and everything word for word for, I don't know, probably almost 30 seconds of like, yeah, just bring your vehicle. We'll get somebody to help you. What's your name? Is this their item?
01:35:31
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all that stuff it was like oh and then like the shirt she was wearing um my god and everything yeah and it was probably three or four months into me working there but i had seen it like almost a year before um so like well before i even had thoughts of leaving my last job um that i had like seen this play out in my head yeah and i have like a handful of ones like that where it's happened where i'm standing there and i'll literally tell somebody i have seen this before like and i'll be like and i saw it like before you even worked here or like before i even met you like i knew this was gonna play out that's so weird i almost got into a slight argument discussion between our whole family here that i've been
01:36:22
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the deja vu well it's caused by this it's like well we don't even know really yeah they don't know what it is it has a book that's called the deja v vu enigma ae one of those things where i'm pretty sure we don't even really know ah exactly how sleep works i mean how will we ever understand this sort of phenomenon and like i don't know i think rain said something she heard like that it was sort of some displaced memory and I was like, I like that theory. It's interesting. I just, it's, it's so confusing. Yeah. I don't. That is really interesting though. Really weird. Like, you know, it's like having a total like, premonition dream or something. Yeah. Like anytime it's ever happened to me, it's not like a minor thing of being like, Oh, like it's like, no, like it's a whole,
01:37:19
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interaction or it's like I remember what I'm doing and I remember what like two or three other people either do or say and in what order and everything or what I'm looking at I'll like remember because I had one time I was like at work refilling the reusable bags and I was like I was saying something to somebody and then like they were talking back to me and I was looking and it was right after they had renovated our store it was like the first day or something and I was looking and I went oh my god like I've seen this too And I was like, up until ah like today, we didn't even have this open. So how how had I like seen our whole set up and everything? Because it was like pretty pretty different and everything. So yeah, I've had it happen a handful of times where I've told somebody right after and been like, i I'd seen all that before. And then there's like a certain point where it'll cut off and then I like don't remember.
01:38:18
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but Yeah. It's like creepy. Cause as they're like, yeah I'll say something and then I'll be like, Hmm. And then it's not like I can like predict what their line is, but as soon as they say it, I'm like, yeah, that's what they said. Or like, as they're saying it, and then it'll be like, Oh, well like, and I'll remember that there's like, Oh, a few more seconds left of like, whatever I saw, but I can't recall what those few seconds are until they've happened.
01:38:47
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oh Yeah, it's yeah, so we have the Supernatural the mystery spot episode. Yeah we He's trying to get Sam's trying to convince Dean and he's had seen the day so many times before and he's like what you've seen this all before he's like, yeah Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, so Sam's just a stupid dick and they also start talking in unison because Sam Yeah,
01:39:11
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it' like oh Yeah, oh my god that's Don't freak me out. I don't know. Yeah, the first few times definitely freaked me out because I was like, especially at my current job because I I hadn't even started working there for very long when I was like, oh, i've I've seen this. And like, I didn't know these people. I didn't work here. I never would have been standing here because I was standing at the door. And then because of COVID, we were like counting the number of customers that were in the store. But you like felt like you'd seen it before you'd been there. Yeah. you're saying Yeah, like perfectly cool.
01:39:56
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Yeah, so crazy. I know. I love it. Yeah, I've never been able to quite figure it out. But I probably have like five times where it's it's happened. And it's been like, yeah, for it's of like 2030 seconds, where it's like multiple people saying like including myself it's not just like a quick like whoa deja vu it's like no like all of these specific things like you have to be wearing this you have to say this i have to respond this you have to say this bag this person has to interrupt i have to be holding this like so many specific things going on well exactly and most people's lives are that way like you know you have a different job you know
01:40:39
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everything then becomes and more specific in that way. It's like, we're not going to all have that same interaction. So that's what makes it yeah yeah even a little bit more bizarre. Yeah.
01:40:53
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yeah
01:40:57
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Interesting. And here I thought I'd have to maybe look into mimics and stuff because you know doppelgangers wouldn't be enough. But holy shit, there's so much. Yeah.
01:41:08
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Yeah, I think it'd be interesting. Well, there's a lot of different things because, yeah, they talk about mimics. And I i saw some stuff about Teh Shafu when I was looking up doppelgangers, too. Right. Well, exactly. It's one of those unexplained phenomena, so we can't really put it into one category, I guess. Yeah. Makes sense. Because it doesn't make sense. ah Yeah. Maybe someday. Right.
01:41:39
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But to think you have your own mimic out there is just such a weird thought, you know? Yeah.
Light-hearted Banter and Listener Engagement
01:41:47
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Yeah, that'd be I don't think I've ever thought I saw you somewhere. Not that I can remember. No, me either. But to hear someone be like, I saw Kelsey. Yeah, it was a long time ago. It was, I don't know, probably like 14, 15 years ago.
01:42:09
Speaker
I've definitely probably seen the wrong person be like, Hey, I think I said like, ah maybe I don't have face blindness, but I feel like I got parking lot blindness. when One day it's like they actually come to pick me up from work and it's like Pat and Rain and it's like, hey mom, and I'm go like, who's that call me over there? Hey mom? Oh! I remember when Rain was really little. Aww. I have context blindness, no. Yeah, well if you don't expect somebody. Not always. Yeah.
01:42:46
Speaker
And I don't always have yeah an easy time finding the cars in the parking lot. That's for sure, as far as parking lot blindness goes. Where's my fucking car? I don't know. I try and park by pillars. I find it easier. I'll be like, I'm kind of a pillar over here, especially if it's got numbers on it. I'll be like, I'm...
01:43:09
Speaker
I'm number four. Yeah, yeah I like that. Yeah, if you have to go somewhere as big as parking lots as like West Edmonton Mall. Yeah, at work I like park in the same corner because I'm like, well, I have this whole spot. Yeah. I have pretty much the same spot at my work, but especially right now because by the time we're leaving it so dark out, I was like, oh, I want the little light that's in the parking lot to be like my car is sitting under it. Right.
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01:44:39
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