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🤡 EPISODE 159: CLOWNS ARE TERRIFYING 🤡
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Step right up… to your worst nightmare.
This episode, Matty & Andrew are diving honk-first into all things clown horror — from the origins of the clown (cute!) to the very real terror of the 2016 creepy clown panic (not cute!) to John Wayne Gacy, who used his alter ego Pogo the Clown to hide crimes too monstrous to comprehend.
And then we watched some movies. 🍿🎈
🎬 KILLER KLOWNS FROM OUTER SPACE — alien clowns, cotton candy cocoons, and a banger title track from The Dickies. Matty was underwhelmed. Andrew was not.
🎬 STITCHES — an Irish slasher where every kill mirrors a circus trick. Matty loved it. Andrew slightly less so. The Irish Film Industrial Complex remains undefeated.
Plus: Horror in Real Life, Whatcha Been Watchin' Bitch, and a closing game of CIRCUS ACT OR CULT ACTIVITY (because honestly… same energy).
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Introduction and Circus Experience
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Fri-Gay the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit Fri-Gay13.com.
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Ugh, the circus smells like popcorn and bad decisions. Well, we were the ones that bought the tickets, so that's kind of on us. Why does the circus feel, it just feels off Well, that clown has been staring at us for for a full minute.
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No blinking. I hate that. Just blink, damn it, blink! I hate a method actor. And why is he smiling like that? That's not joy. that That's harmful intent.
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Why is he reaching into that tiny car? If more clowns come out of that car, I'm leaving the country. Oh no, he's coming over. Don't take anything he offers. You know it's a trick.
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He made me a balloon dog. That dog is cursed. and He wants me to take it. Don't you dare take that haunted balloon. The honk was aggressive. He's laughing. He's laughing. That is not laughter. That's a villain origin story. um I think it's time we go. I'm already gone.
00:01:14
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Same. Let's go. Goodbye, circus, and sayonara, clown. Yeah, step right up to your worst nightmare. It's episode 159, Clowns Are Terrifying.
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on the wall, the whisper in the classroom. I'm Marjorie Greene and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China.
Creepy Clown Sightings and Personal Updates
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State of mind we to be from life to death to rise. Horror in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong.
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Horror in the movies. Where are you going go? Where are you going to run? Where are going to hide? Nowhere.
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I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes. you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning sometimes
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This wave of creepy clown sightings began this summer. One of the first this a clown seen wandering the streets of Green Bay, Wisconsin. He didn't hurt anyone or commit any crimes, so there was nothing police could do. In late August, the report started to become more frequent centralized around a South Carolina apartment complex. I thought that my child was, you know, seeing things.
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The next day, i had about 30 kids come up to me and say, did you see the clowns in the woods? The sightings continue now in both Carolinas. Police warning anyone who thinks it's funny. We want to encourage people who may be inclined to dress in clown outfits not to do it. Welcome back to Freigate, 13th horror podcast. My name is Maddie.
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And I'm Andrew. And guess what? Welcome back, folks. It's episode 159 of the podcast that talks all about horror, horror in real life and in the movies from an LGBT plus perspective. It's great to be back with you. Look, we've been on ah a little hiatus. ah yeah but Just lets let's be real. My my mom died. um She died a month ago, actually, as as of the as of this recording.
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um And I was in the States for a while. Of course, I got to see Andrew and and Michael, of course, for that matter, too. um And that was a real experience, man. I'll tell you what. And I want to thank everyone because, of course, we we let our our listeners know about it.
00:03:54
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Thank you, everybody, for the the condolences and the kind words. that was That was very, very kind of all of you. And thank you for... for welcoming us back. um You know, grief grief is ah is a weird thing and um it's something that we will all go through. And if you haven't gone through it yet, I feel for you, but you will one day. And um it is it's really something else. And Andrew, I can tell you on this experience, and we won't talk long about it, but I'll tell you on this experience, I've experienced tons of grief in my life.
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that The strangest thing about this one was that I've already lost one parent. So have you. we've We've talked about this ah many times before. I was arrogant to believe that I knew that I thought I had grief figured out and I was naive about the finality.
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i will I will tell you that. And that's that's what I've learned with this particular experience. ah You know what, folks?
Clowns in Horror and Historical Context
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Death death is incredibly final. And what I'll say to you, and and like like I said, we're about to talk about fucking clowns, not about not about our mothers dying. But what I will tell you is this.
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You eventually, with someone that you love, will never have the chance to say something to them again. do yourself a favor and go say those things to them. Go say those things to them now. And I don't have many regrets on that, thank God. But if I could say just even a couple more words, I'd spend any money I had to to do it. any money I had to. So look, I love my mom. My mom was ah a fantastic person. She was ah a wonderful role model. And you know there' there there's ah there's a really great um thing I've heard about mothers actually just yesterday. I heard this at ah a conference I was at of all things about how there's no good mother.
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but there's only good enough mothers. And that's that's so true because our parents never, they never learn how to be parents. they just go with it. And God damn it, if she wasn't good enough, she was great. So, you know, look, i I hope if you still have your parents and if you're in a good relationship with them, of course, I hope you'll call them and I hope you'll talk to them and I hope you'll tell them that you love them. um And I hope that if you don't have that good relationship, I hope that you find peace. That's what I'll say and I'll leave it there.
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So Andrew, let's move on to clowns now. terrifying um so look what folks we do we do have a good show ready for you uh it's all about clowns um we've never really talked about have we ever really had clowns before in any of our movies really in a big way i mean we've been doing this for eight years so i can't tell you but it's like but but i but i don't think so i really don't think so like because we've never we haven't ever done it right am i crazy no right no and we did we didn't do it chapter two of course either So other than that, I can't like, what are the other big clown ones really?
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And I don't think that we've ever discussed whether we prefer um Pennywise as Tim Curry or the new version. Tim Curry all the way, if I'm i'm being honest. Although, otherlthough you know, I think that they're both good. I do. it's yeah I think that they're told for two different generations. That's it. i don't know Go ahead. I'm sorry.
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No, no, no. I think that that's just a story that can endure because it's about childhood and it's about growing up and it's about um being the weirdo or being the the weird kid like we both were. So like, I think that that's something that people need to just like kind of let go of is like nostalgia is real, but nostalgia can be different for different generations. So just... You know, let people enjoy things they want to enjoy for God's sakes. I think that they both offer something different for Pennywise. Yeah. Like, I just, look, I just happen to be obsessed with Tim Curry. I also just watched Clue this last week, Andrew. You'll be very happy. I love Clue. Just for fun. Just for fun. And the guy that I'm seeing right now had never seen Clue before. So it was really fun to show him Clu for the very first time. So I do have to ask really quick and then we can move on. But did he get like the the communist jokes and the socialism jokes and like all that stuff? Yeah, he did. He's from Italy and and he's he sort of styles himself a socialist himself. So like some of that stuff actually really did make sense to him. And he also studies studies ah political economies. Got it. So that did ring for him.
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and ah And it was funny. He was telling a friend that he was going to watch it with me. And the friend was like, oh, get ready for the alternate endings and everything. And so he was really excited for that. And ah and it was fun. you know it's weve We've talked about this before, but like the the movies that we've seen so many times, but like maybe people that aren't huge horror fans or this or that, that that they've never seen before. When you get to be with them as they see it for the first time, it's so cool. It's a really great experience.
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Cool. All right, should we should we talk about the history of clowns to begin with? Tell me about the clowns, Andrew. So the ancient origins of clowns, um so clown-like figures go back thousands of years, if if you can't believe it. In ancient civilizations like ancient Egypt, performers used humor, physical comedy, and over-exaggerated behavior to entertain royalty.
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ah Ancient Rome had mimes and fools who mocked everyday life while medieval Europe introduced the court jester, a licensed entertainer who could joke about even kings without punishment.
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ah So just think about that in like our modern time with like comedians and stuff. That's very interesting. What's and what's funny is that in America, there is a king right now who is also a court jester. It's it's actually kind strange and terrifying when you think about it that way, you know?
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Oh, God, I hate it here. Anyway, um the birth of the modern clown, um or the clown as we recognize it today, took place in the 16th century with Italian Commedia dell'arte. Now, this I do know a bit about.
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this Yeah, yeah.
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Commedia dell'arte is re if you've never really heard of it or studied it or read about it before. It's so interesting. Highly recommend, you know, look up like even like just go to YouTube and look for like some Commedia dell'arte performances. and And what you find, I'm sure you're about to talk about this, but what you find in Comedia dell'arte is a troop of players and they would all sort of play these different roles. um And these different roles sort of did the same thing in every story that they told. So whether the story was about love or whether the story was about revenge or about a king or about this or about that, it was always these same characters in the same costumes playing those roles. It's a highly, highly physical form of theater. and They wear big masks and their their costumes are sort of like, um if you can think of like what a harlequin looks like, right? Yep. Harlequin is based off of Arlequino, which is one of the Comedia characters. And so they would wear the same costume, the same mask, the same makeup for every performance, no matter what. And what's cool about it is that like the it started in it in in Italy, of course, the the the Italian and then then the European audiences that would have seen it, they would have known those characters. right So like the the way that we think about, like you know we watch any sort of movie and we know that that guy is playing this kind of role, that guy's playing this kind of role, this woman's playing that kind of role. It was the same kind of thing. And audiences who you know mostly would have been illiterate, they would have known that and they would have been expecting that over and over again. They would have had their own favorite characters within Commedia Troops. It's a really, it's an absolutely incredible
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fascinating thing to look at. Highly recommend looking at some some actual performances if you can find them. And one one of our friends from college, Sam Wooten, I believe he's still a Commedia practitioner and he had his own Commedia troupe. So you can even find these like today. if you're ever lucky enough to see one, it is well worth it. If you ever see a Commedia troupe just randomly in some some city, go see it. It's something that you've probably never seen before. And it's very, very cool in person.
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Well, yeah. And also think about like the three stooges, like that's kind of and the same time. You know, they're always the same. They're always styled the same, even though they're in like the most crazy situations. You know what i mean? yep so Absolutely. yeah um So, that yeah, you talked about the Harlequin yeah um and and all that. And then starting in the early eighteen hundreds Joseph Grimaldi revolutionized clowning in England.
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ah He introduced the the quote unquote white face clown, the the bold makeup, the big expressions, the physical slapstick, which became the foundation for modern clown performance. So kind of what we know clowns of as as we know. yeah um And then kind of the circus is born. And then there are kind of classic archetypes that happen in the 19th and
Pop Culture and Creepy Clowns
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20th century where clowns became central to the circus. um This is where I was introduced to clowning. I don't know about you, but like I really didn't know clowns until like a quote unquote, the circus came to town. um And that's like what I...
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Do you want to hear how about how I was introduced to clowns? I would love to. Yes, absolutely. There's two things. ah First off, and and any of my family members who might be listening to this, Michael will certainly be listening to this, will know about a doll named Clowny.
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Clowney was the doll's name. i wish I had somewhere. There must be a photo of Clowney somewhere in in the giant box of photos that we have. um But Clowney, as I recall, wore black. it was It was black and white. It had sort of like a silky pajama almost feel to it. And this is when my dad went to China on sunday some crazy business trip. um And he came back with all this stuff for us. And so there were there were clowns and there were like little dolls and there were these things and those things. And we we still have some of them. I remember me and my brother, we both had like, um Michael, hell he'll remember this. He had like a little like a little sumo
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wrestler doll and I had one too but it was like child sumo wrestlers it's it's hard to explain god but I had one in red and I i think Michaels was like in a black and white like karate outfit kind of thing um but one of the things he brought back was clowny and it was just this clown it had a porcelain face and porcelain the hands and you know it was wearing this black suit I was fucking terrified clowny Absolutely terrified of Clowney. And you know I don't remember all of it, but I'm sure that my siblings loved to terrorize me with Clowney. So there's number one, Clowney. And then at the drive-in,
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Remember drive-ins? God, I miss drive-ins. I love the drive-in. Seriously, dude. but My parents used to my parents used to sneak my older stepbrother in the trunk so they didn't have to pay for him. That's awesome. That's so good. Oh, my God. um What a classic like Midwest story. But at the drive-in, the one that we always went to was a drive-in called the Y&W Drive-In. was in Maryville, Indiana, like right next Gary. Ours was the Cherry Bowl. the Cherry Bowl. the The other one that you could go to is called the 49er. 49er. But we would go to the YNW. And at the YNW, there was a fucking clown. I cannot remember what that clown's name was. Hopefully, Michael will remember this and and tell me later. um But that was another clown that I was absolutely terrified of. And it's it's funny because like that's obviously when I was a kid. Like, no, clowns don't scare me now. I'm not really like into clowns or anything. But when I was a kid, I was definitely afraid of them. Were you afraid of clowns too as a kid?
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Um, you know, I can't really recall because, it you know, we'll talk about this in a second, but like my earliest like vision of clowns on TV was the, the, the miniseries it. So I think that color, maybe some fear of them, but like, I don't think I was when I was like, went to the circus. Cause I remember going to, I can't, I, for the life of me, I can't remember if it was w Ringling or Barnum and Bailey. I don't remember, but, um, I just remember them.
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and Did you ever have the Shriners circus come up there by you? i don't think so. It doesn't ring a bell, but like, I just remember like, I'm such a weirdo. Like I remember the clowns being the annoying part because I just wanted to see people flip. Like I just wanted to see people do like stunts. like Get out of my way. I just want to see people flip. Thank you very much.
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That's funny. and so what was the rest of your your ah drive-in story? Oh, that's it. No, I was just scared of that clown. Sorry. Sorry. I have said, and that's it. Yeah. Nothing crazy happened. I promise. Nothing wild. I just remember being scared of that clown. That's all. I distinctly remember one night we were going there and like I was like screaming in the house because I didn't want to see the clown.
00:16:58
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But that's all I remember. That's all. It's so funny that they would have like in in a ah ah or like a resolute clown at the at the drive-in. is That's weird. That's how drive-ins were back then, I guess. So really what came out of the 19th and 20th century were three types of clowns. So there was the white-faced clown, which was, as as this is this ah this text puts it, the bossy, elegant leader. Oh, my God. um the
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The Auguste clown, which was the goofy, chaotic, red nosed one. And the tramp or hobo clown, which was the sad or down on their luck one. is Silent film type of clown. Sure. um But really what we're talking about today is when they went from funny to frightening. So clowns took a darker turn in the 20th century. Real life clowns like who we'll talk about in a little bit here, John Wayne Gacy, blurred the line between humor and horror. And then pop culture cemented the fear with characters like Pennywise and and and many, many others. And then today to clowns sit in like a weird dual space of nostalgic childhood entertainers and then full blown horror icons, which kind of. bleed right into our movies that we're going talking about today, which I don't think we announced yet are both killer clowns from outer space yeah and stitches. So, um, and, and I think like what really like freaks people out about clowns today is kind of like their uncanny Valley effect of like the, uh, a human, but not human or like, um,
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You know what i mean? Like it it's the over exaggerated expressions. It's like there's somebody there, but they're hidden behind something else. It's almost like a mask, but not really. It's like a human mask. It's it's very strange if you really think about it. well and I wonder, too, how much of it is just really, you know, drawing back on childhood fears. And, you know, yeah you know for for whatever reason, i'm I'm not drawing back on that, those memories of clowns that I had and like feeling afraid about it. But I imagine that a lot of people still do in one way or another. ah Especially because clowns, you know sometimes like when you ah when you engage with a clown, and don' don't I don't know how else to say it. But when you do, it's like um they they they pull some kind of prank on you or that they squirt water at you or whatever. Or maybe it might be a good interaction. you know, they make you a balloon animal or they give you cotton candy or whatever you know whatever the case might be. i i wonder how much of that just really depends on what your childhood experience of a clown really was.
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Yeah. And no one hates being the center of attention more than me you Than you. ah Than you. And so i I just, I don't like individualized attention and that's what clowns, like ah that's specifically what they're supposed to do. And so I'm just like, get out of my face. Get away from me now. Thank you.
00:19:54
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So should we talk about two more um kind of like clown events and then we can go through your your bigger story? my Mine is really uplifting, Andrew, so I hope that yours is too.
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So one of them, I'm going to start with 1981. And this is the Phantom Clown of Northampton. Okay. In 1981, the quiet town of Northampton, Massachusetts was hit with a wave of deeply unsettling reports, this time centered around a mysterious phantom the clown.
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It started when groups of school children claimed that they saw clown standing near the edge of their schoolyard just watching them.
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He didn't perform. He didn't speak. He just stared, sometimes smiling, sometimes completely still. Then the details got worse.
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Multiple kids reported the clown had been holding balloons or staring through binoculars from a distance, like he was observing them. In a few accounts, he allegedly tried to gesture for children to come closer.
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Teachers and parents became alarmed. The police were called in to investigate. Around the same time, similar clown sightings were reported in nearby towns. Some witnesses even described a van connected to the figure, fueling fears that something more sinister might be happening.
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Despite the panic, no clown was ever caught, no arrests, and no clear explanation. And just as he suddenly appeared, the phantom clown disappeared. Ah!
00:21:38
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Oh, no. So this reminds me and, you know, like, obviously this was in the news because otherwise there wouldn't be like reporting on it or anything. But this kind of reminds me of like ah a Bloody Mary situation. Totally. You know what i mean? Like where kids like, oh, do you see the clown? Yeah, I saw the clown. Did you see the clown? Like, you know what i mean? Like, oh, yeah, for sure.
00:21:58
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yeah I don't know if this is something that actually happened or if this was like collective, um you know, kind of a thing, you know what I mean? Sure. So I don't know. And then 2016 saw the reappearance of a creepy clown panic. And I remember this, this, this actually did happen and there's actually like photos and stuff. So that's, that's the difference between 1981 and 2016 is now we have, ah everyone has a camera in their pocket, you know what I mean? so Right. Exactly.
00:22:28
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So in 2016, something genuinely bizarre and honestly terrifying started happening across the United States. It actually began in Greenville, South Carolina, which I didn't know. My sister used to live in Greenville back in the day. Yeah.
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ah where multiple people, including children, reported seeing clowns lurking in the woods near their apartment complex. Some claim the clowns were trying to lure kids into the forest with money or treats. Police investigated, but never found anyone. Wait, I i remember this story now.
00:22:57
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, this was just 10 years ago. Oh, that's cool. That's so wild. um Then it spread. Within weeks, there were clown sightings reported in dozens of states. People dressed as clowns standing silently on the roadsides, appearing in schoolyards at night, or just watching from the trees. Some some carried weapons. Others simply stared and waved. Social media exploded with videos and photos, making it hard to tell what was real and what was staged. Oh, God. Even with AI now, it would be even harder. That's for real. Honestly. That's real.
00:23:32
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Schools went into lockdown. People were arrested for making threats while dressed as clowns. Entire towns were on the edge over what felt like a coordinated nightmare. No single group was ever confirmed to be behind it, and many incidents were likely copycats. But that's almost what makes it worse, is that the spread, because that's the thing about culture now. Is we have a collected culture because we're all online and we're all consuming the same things. Of course. So like when one thing goes, you know, quote unquote viral, then like it gets repeated or people want to, you know, keep perpetuating what the story is. So it's it's a very different culture than when we were growing up. Like absolutely.
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We didn't have like, you know, we used to call it like water cooler talk, like what people would watch, like, I don't know, Northern Exposure or like whatever people are. don't know why Northern Exposure came to the first TV show that I thought of. But, you know, like that's what people talked about. And now it's all about like,
00:24:32
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you know, what premiered on Netflix on Friday and literally the entire world, if not like the, you know, three quarters of the world is watching it. And that's kind of scary in a weird way because culture can, culture can be influenced so fast now.
00:24:50
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um And, you know, and we see that in, and we'll talk about it a little bit, I think in one of your, what you've been watching bitches, because I did watch that as well. And it's, it's really scary how easy culture can be shifted.
00:25:01
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So interesting, honestly, terrifying how quickly I'm shifted. Terrifying. Well, do you want to talk a little bit about uh, uh, a very famous, why do I want to say famous? Infamous is a good word. I mean, look, I was trying to, you as usual, trying to think of, you know, what would the, um, what would the angle be here for, for what I would bring to it? And I thought, you know what?
00:25:26
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Classic. It is absolutely going to be John Wayne Gacy, whether you like it or not. And John Wayne Gacy, I mean, look, I would struggle to believe that anybody listening right now does not know who John Wayne Gacy is.
00:25:41
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But John Wayne Gacy was a, as Andrew said, the best word would be infamous. um And i let's just also add fucking terrifyingly evil serial killer. An awful human being.
00:25:54
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Yeah, and terrible, rotten human being, um if you can even call him that. ah in ah in In the Chicago area, Wisconsin, Chicago, I think maybe even Northwest Indiana he might have dabbled in, but um he killed many, many, many young men. And you know what? Let me just tell you about him. So this comes from all that's interesting online. Obviously, it's online.
00:26:16
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ah And the the title of this is and this is from 2024. It's how serial killer John Wayne Gacy used his character Pogo the Clown to paint himself as an upstanding citizen. So I won't read all of this, but I'll kind of skip around.
00:26:30
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um John Wayne Gacy began performing as Pogo the Clown in the Chicago area in 1975, right in the middle of his gruesome murder spree. The image of serial killer John Wayne Gacy dressed up as his alter ego, Pogo, is chilling, like something out of Stephen King's It. One of history's most notorious serial killers, Gacy presented himself as a model citizen in his Chicago area community before he was caught.
00:26:58
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He was an active participant in the local Jolly Joker Clown Club, my lord, where he known exactly where he performed at numerous charity events, birthday parties, and children's hospitals. His jovial persona, Pogo, became a way for him to, as he would later describe, regress into childhood, quote unquote. Gacy also developed an interest in art. and created numerous illustrations of Pogo the Clown and other infamous clowns, almost to the point of obsession. Of course, this only made it all the more horrifying horrifying when the nature of his crimes was brought to light. He wasn't this caring member of the community.
00:27:39
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He was a serial killer and a rapist who murdered dozens of young men and boys by night, all while donning his clown makeup and integrating himself into a local community during the day.
00:27:52
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It's a little wonder then why Gacy soon became known as the Killer Clown. So he was an American serial killer born in Chicago in 1942. He was responsible for the deaths of at least 33 young men and boys in the 70s. Jesus, police do your job sometimes. Come on. and And you know, if you haven't heard the stories about how the police blundered all of that, you should look into it That's all I'm going to say. i Look into every unsolved mystery there ever was, and I guarantee it's because the police didn't do their fucking job. Exactly. but Many of these 33 he tortured and raped in the moments before he killed them. But to people on the outside, he was a mild-mannered businessman who made an effort to be part of his community. He grew up in an an abusive home, subjected to frequent berating by his father who called him a sissy, whipped him with a belt.
00:28:45
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At a young age, Gacy realized he was gay, but given that he grew up in the 50s, was a secret he kept to himself. Physically, Gacy suffered from a congenital heart condition that forced him to keep physical activity to a minimum. So as a result, he was overweight for virtually his entire life. He tried to lead a traditional life for a time.
00:29:04
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He actually got married to a woman named Marlin Myers, who took over the management of his father-in-law's ah Kentucky Fried Chicken franchises in Waterloo, Iowa. And they had two and they had two children. ah To an outsider looking in, they were living the American dream. Gacy eventually joined the Waterloo JCs.
00:29:24
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ah Then he started forcing young men, including some of his own employees at KFC, to engage in sexual acts with him. In 1968, he was found guilty of sexually assaulting a teenage boy and later served two years of a 10-year prison sentence. He got released for good behavior. My God. Upon his release, now divorced from his wife, Gacy moved back to the Chicago area. He built a respectable career as an independent contractor, and he bought a house in Norwood Park where he would commit his most heinous deeds.
00:29:56
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And right in the middle of his murder spree, he also brought Pogo the Clown to life. So at some point while he was in prison for sexual assault, he developed a knack for art. So he reportedly created the first images of what would become Pogo the Clown, a sort of twisted self-portrait of Gacy wearing clown makeup.
00:30:15
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But Pogo eventually became real when Gacy joined that jo jolly joker clown club and he began performing at events around Chicago. That likely helped him find some of his victims.
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By playing the role of an involved, caring member of the community who entertained children, Gacy was able to grow closer to his victims, all of whom were young men and boys earning their trust only to lure them back to his home, sexually abuse them, and ultimately kill them.
00:30:43
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Shockingly, Gacy was so trusted in the community that he even had the audacity to join the search parties for some of his victims and help their worried parents. Oh my God. According to Psychology Magazine,
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Gacy was later diagnosed with antisocial personality disorder, a mental health condition that causes people to engage in harmful behaviors towards others without remorse. He was egotistical, yet often paranoid. He was manipulative and aggressive, and his inflated ego was often at odds with his shame and resentment of himself.
00:31:15
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Pogo wasn't the only clown persona that Gacy used during his murder spree. He actually had two other alter egos, Pogo and Patches. Pogo the Clown, according to Gacy, was the happy clown who allowed him to return to a childlike state.
00:31:30
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Patches the Clown, on the other hand, was more serious. Given how tumultuous Gacy's childhood was, it seems as if Pogo and Patches were ways by which Gacy was reclaiming the years of his childhood that were lost to abuse. After his arrest, he also claimed to have multiple personalities. It was never confirmed by experts, and some thought that he was making that up entirely, but it does suggest that Gacy viewed himself as being fragmented. It could also explain how John Wayne Gacy could simultaneously be a fun-loving member of the community and a sadistic killer.
00:32:03
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He murdered his first known victim in 1972 and continued killing from there. After his divorce from his second wife, my lord, Carol Hoff, in 1976, Gacy was left alone in their home. All of the killer clowns victims were murdered in the home and most of them buried in the house's crawl space. So between 72 and 78, he lured dozens of young men and boys to his home, gave them drugs or alcohol, and he impressed them with a magic trick, simply offering them a place to stay before torturing them, raping them, and murdering them. It wasn't until December of 1978 with the murder of Robert Piest that Gacy was finally caught.
00:32:43
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Gacy lured Peast to his home under the prospect of offering him a summer contracting job for nearly double what the 15-year-old student was making at his pharmacy job. On the night of December 11th, Peast's mother arrived at the pharmacy to pick him up when he asked her to wait while he discussed a potential new job with the customer. From there, he vanished.
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When he failed to return home the next day, his mother filed a missing person report. Once police learned that Gacy had been talking to Peast before he vanished, the truth about what happened began to unravel.
00:33:15
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Authorities soon uncovered the disturbing extent of John Wayne Gacy's crimes after he was arrested. Just one day later, he confessed to killing over 30 young men and boys. He called himself the judge, jury, and executioner of many, many people, quote unquote. While investigators combed the house, they eventually came across the smell of rotting flesh.
00:33:34
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Guided by the horrific scent in the home, they made their way to Gacy's crawlspace where 26 bodies would later be discovered. Three more later found in the yard, and the other four were dumped in the Des Plaines River. With that, the image of Pogo the Clown, who once brought joy to people, think about that. Isn't that weird? Became a symbol of the mask that helped John Wayne Gacy get away with murder for years. He was sentenced to death for his crimes and eventually given a lethal injection in 1994. Wow.
00:34:05
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That's wild to come back to. oof It's just... There's evil people, man. There's evil people. know. And well the... the The crazy thing to me about this whole story is, and and you know, like, you know, Norwood Park, if people don't know, is a very populated place. Like, it's it's it's house next to house next to house next to house next to house. Like, it's not it's not like he lived on, like, an acre of land or anything. No.
00:34:35
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It's kind of crazy to me that he would be able to get away with this for what, six years, you said? 1972 to 1978? Yeah. um and No one anything? Yeah. like nobody Nobody saw anything, especially like in the age of people constantly looking out their window through their blinds to see what their neighbors were doing. That is kind of strange.
00:34:56
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Yeah. I mean, it's kind of echoed in a movie that we kind of, you know, just watched not too long ago, The Black Phone. yeah and And so like, it's not, it's not unbelievable, but like, I'm, I'm such like a, um I guess nosy is not the right word for it. But like, I just very, I'm very aware of my neighbors. And so like, it's, it's very weird that people wouldn't spot anything or maybe people are just too scared to say anything. I don't know. Who knows? um it's It's a different world in 1970s. maybe the gay thing was was part of it. you know like Maybe they were scared to even like approach that or something. Or what if we call him gay and he's not gay or what about this? what i mean
00:35:40
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Who knows? Whatever the case might be. But I'm with you on this. it is It's a bit bizarre that like... y'all didn't see fucking shit, man. Like that, that is kind of weird. Yeah. Pay attention your neighbors, everybody. They could be out to kill you. Get a ring camera folks. Um, Andrew, i think that does it for our horror in real life section. Are you ready to move on to, uh, what you've been watching, bitch?
00:36:04
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Let's go and talk about what we've been watching, bitch.
00:36:10
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Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:36:21
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And it's time for what you've been watching, bitch. What you been watching, you red-nosed bitch? Your first time on the show with us. This is the segment where we've been talking, where we where we talk about what we've been watching, bitch. So listen, Andrew, go ahead and tell me what you've been watching.
00:36:40
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My first one actually just came out on Paramount Plus yesterday as of this recording. And so I was very excited to watch Primate. Have you heard of this movie? Literally not not at all.
00:36:54
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um So this is ah the the basic premise is there is a girl and she is going back to Hawaii to visit her family from college. And um her dad is ah deaf and he is a scientist and and a writer. And her mom has sadly passed away, but she was a linguistics professor.
00:37:15
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And um she has a sister as well. and um They have a chimp, and the chimp has been with them um since childhood because the mom was trying to study how chimps and humans could interact and talk and communicate back and forth to each other. um And so the chimp, in Grand Cujo style, gets rabies. oh my God. And goes from there.
00:37:45
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No! Um, didn't have too many expectations going into this movie just because I knew it came out in theaters in like January and usually January is kind of like where the, the dumping ground for horror is, yeah you know, traditionally. and so I was like, we know what, this is free and paramount. I want to watch it. i got to tell you, this movie is fucking wild, man. oh it is crazy. Like,
00:38:05
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it is crazy like i I don't know what I expected. it I'm just going to tell you right now. It is Cujo. It's Cujo, but with a chimp like that's what it is. that That's the movie honestly that sounds kind of interesting.
00:38:18
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um And if we didn't learn anything from Chimp Crazy when we all watched that last year, the chimps are not meant to be domesticated, especially when they get rabies. Like a period. Do not do it. It's not it's not going to work.
00:38:32
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But I got to tell you, i was not expecting the level of gore in this movie. Yeah. i'll I'll just say this. There is a man in the first scene that gets his face ripped, literally ripped off. Oh my God. Jesus. So I, listen, i I have some issues with how they treat like, um, like, animals and like because I don't I don't think it was a real chimp I think it was someone in a costume ah you know ah and maybe some CGI also but like um but overall I mean entertaining movie to say the least but like it's not ah it's not a happy movie I'll tell you that
00:39:13
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Wow. That's priming. I don't know what else to say. I was just blown away by the the leaps and bounds that they took in this movie because it was crazy. That's wild. Okay. I'll have to watch that. And Andrew, I can watch that because let me tell you something that's happened over here. um I am no longer using Virgin Media for my ah for like my my cable and my Wi-Fi and everything else. I switched to Sky. And um ah now things are different over here.
00:39:43
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Now I have HBO Max. Now I have Paramount Plus. Oh, cool. That also includes Hulu. So like all these things that I've been complaining about for a long time, they seem to be... Yeah. remember Remember when I used to have these things? um so So things are a little bit different now. And so, i you know, i I barely even had a chance to catch up with it yet, if I'm being honest. um But it's it's nice to have some more options now, which is really good. um So anyways, the first one that i'll I'll talk about here is it's on Netflix and it's it's Louis Thoreau Inside the Manosphere.
00:40:17
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We watched this on Friday too. Absolutely. Just totally disturbing. I watched this on Thursday night, I think. And um ah it's not super long. I think it was maybe 90 minutes or so. And it is Louis Thoreau, who's ah an an English guy and who, you know, all of his stuff is basically sort of like in like investigative journalism.
00:40:39
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um And he interviews some of the people that are in the manosphere now. And so what do I mean when I say that? I mean like your Andrew Tate sort of guys. And these are are people who are doing somehow doing a fantastic job at influencing young men online, mostly on social media. um This is a really it's it's a it's it's disgusting to watch. It it is.
00:41:05
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But it's it is also it's very interesting. Um, and, and it's also very sad. There, there is, um, there, there's one, um, one guy that, that's, that is sort of focused on the most in this. His name is like Harrison. It's like HS Tiki Taki, something like that. i can't remember. The Lamborghini guy, right? No, no, no. The Lamborghini guy is the, the, like the ginger dude. This is the guy who was young and his mom comes on.
00:41:32
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Oh, i sorry. I was thinking of the Miami guy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeahp So this guy who who like his his mom eventually joins on this, which is also crazy. hard he things he say about he's he's and He's an English guy and he is, I think he's in Marbella where he does all of his like influencing stuff.
00:41:50
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And um there's this, oh, no, actually, I'm thinking about the wrong person. It it is the Ginger guy now that I'm thinking about it. yeah so well what note But they they do focus a lot on on the Harrison guy, but I'll come back to that.
00:42:02
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There's a moment where Louis Thoreau is in Miami with the the guy that's Ginger, whatever. I can't remember his name at all. But with that, who cares? We don't want to perpetuate the stand for it anyway. So they're they're out you know like recording stuff like at a coffee shop or this thing or that thing or whatever. And they're at a coffee shop and and there's these two young guys that just like know who that guy is and like come up to them and they're like, Oh my God, we love you, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And so Louis asked them you know basically, why Why do you like him so much? like Tell me about that. And these young guys, one of them says something that really has stuck with me.
00:42:37
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And that and i I really mean this in like a non, I'm not trying to be funny about this at all. He says, you're born with no value and you have to add value as you go.
00:42:50
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And I heard that and it I'm not lying, it broke my heart. It broke my heart that anyone in the world could possibly think that you are born without value, that you're born without dignity.
00:43:05
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and And that you have to do these dumb things like, ah you know, talking bad about women or looks maxing, whatever the fuck that new thing is. Or like, you know, you're 13 you're starting to like invest in some fucking gross, weird stock thing. That's a total lie. That the only way that you get value is by doing these things.
00:43:27
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Something is deeply wrong with how we, I sound like an old man right now, but I really mean it. something's deeply wrong with the way we're raising our kids. And I'll tell you what, if I had kids right now, I 1 million percent mean this.
00:43:42
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There would not be a phone in their fucking hands. There wouldn't be an iPad. I think I might even like seriously consider how much they were watching TV because it is so dangerous for them right now. And that is that is the right word. It's dangerous out there. You have these algorithms that are set up on social media to to perniciously invade their brains to keep them clicking, and it is doing awful things to them. I know that we know this, but it's like we don't know It's like we don't know it. And if if if if you had a child...
00:44:19
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And they said to you, i don't have any value. i don't have any dignity. I don't have any worth. Wouldn't that just, ah with would that not just make you so sad you'd you'd you'd want to sink into the ground and disappear?
00:44:30
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so yeah that ah that part of this, I'll tell you, you know, as as silly as this as this can be, know, talking about these guys and they are a bit laughable, there's something a lot more serious within this documentary that I think is really important for us to wrap our brains around. And you know I work in social media for my sins, and this is the part of it that I absolutely fucking hate, and it makes me sad that I'm even maybe a little bit of a part of it because it it is it is it it is destroying things within our society, and we need to be careful. So I'll stop prognosticating there or or not but but pontificating, pardon me. And I'll just say that, you know what, you should watch it. It's not going to be a fun watch for you. It it's sort of made me sick, I'll be honest. But it is a good reminder that there is something really dangerous happening right now that we all need to be a part of getting getting in front of one way or another.
00:45:24
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That's it. Yeah, it was it was very disturbing to see how deeply, deeply, deeply disturbed and flawed these individuals are and how much and how much um permission they have to change yeah people's minds. Yeah.
00:45:39
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It's very, very scary because if we don't do anything about it, it's just going to continue to perpetuate because that's what the internet is for, is to perpetuate messages over and over again once you're served even just one of them. Yeah. And, and you know, look, they they they have the perfect environment to do it right now with with Trump and his cronies and the and the cult, the MAGA cult that is in power. And, you know, the the last thing I'll say is what's funny is that all these guys like think of themselves as Christian.
00:46:09
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You know what i mean? And they do. And and the biggest fucking grift in the world. Right. And the the most insane, like they like I got some news for you. You're not. It is impossible for you to be a Christian if you really believe that people are born without value. Impossible.
00:46:24
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the The core tenet is that everyone is born inherently with dignity. And even if you're not a Christian, you should believe that anyway from a human experience perspective. So, ugh, just, ah I'm glad I got that out of my body. There we go. So watch it. Louis Thoreau, Inside the Manosphere on Netflix.
00:46:42
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Well, and ah one thing I'll finally say about this and then we can move on is that it is very interesting how this documentarian, um how he does his way of doing it because he's more of a witnesser than a provoker.
00:46:56
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Agreed. And so it's just it's just an interesting thing to see. like you know we're We're very used to like the Diane Sawyer type interview where you're you're asked very pointed questions and this guy doesn't do that. He kind of just like...
00:47:08
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lets them dig their own grave, if you will. Andrew, I'm glad you said it because honestly, he's masterful at it. yeah It's like like they're they're waiting for him to like dog them and he never does.
00:47:21
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they They do it to themselves. It's amazing. Yeah. All right. My next one is a new release on Shudder. It is called Bodycam. Bodycam is a ah a found footage type movie about two police officers who are on there. Andrew, just really quick. Is this one like brand new?
00:47:40
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It came out a week ago. So yeah, like, yeah. It is about two police officers. don't think they ever say where they're at, but it's like kind of like a, I would say like a Pittsburgh or something like that. Like kind of like, um, and they're out on their nightly route. They get a call and they go to a house and, um, something accidentally happens where they accidentally commit a crime, but then they have to make the decision of, do we call this in or do we cover it up?
00:48:08
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And, in doing so in their decision, they kind of fall into a cult like, um, circumstance. That's all I'll say. Cause that's like the whole movie. Um, this was pretty entertaining for a shutter movie. I, I, I quite liked it. good Um, I will say there's some egregious use of CGI and or AI. I'm not really sure when comes to like, like there's it in it, but it's really weird how they use it. Like they use it for like, um,
00:48:39
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when when they're like driving in a neighborhood, like the neighborhood looks like Uncanny Valley. like And then like the ah creature, quote unquote, that happens in the movie, it just looks so bad that I'm like, you guys, you realize you actually have a pretty good movie here, but you're kind of ruining it with some of these like either deep fakes or AI or CGI. I'm not really sure. I can't really tell anymore if I'm being honest. um And so like I liked it until I didn't, if that makes any sense. Yeah, it does. It's a pretty cool premise. I like that it was all told through like the you know the body cam, as in the title, of like the police officers. I think that the two actors that are in the main role do a good job of kind of playing quote-unquote good guy or bad guy. um And I think that the story is really interesting in where it goes. But like the egregious use of some of these things, I just think is is is making filmmakers...
00:49:34
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i don' I don't want to say lazy, but it just makes them look like they didn't know how to take it over the finish line, if that makes any sense. fair so I mean, look, we'll we'll we'll be seeing more and more of it, I'm quite sure. Yeah. um So, like, for a Shudder movie, pretty good. For a movie, if I would have it the theater, i don't think I don't think so as much, as if that makes any Gotcha. It does. that's body cam for me.
00:49:56
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Nice. ah My next one is a podcast, actually. Imagine that, Andrew. um You know, listen, for for someone who has done a podcast for a very long time, i am bad about listening to podcasts. Andrew is much better at this than me. um I listen to sort of like your standard podcast, like This American Life. And ah ah there there's a there's a few others that I follow pretty religiously. But I think because I do a podcast, I don't listen to a lot of them. and that that That has to make sense to somebody out there. Anyways, yeah um a friend told me about this. but ah Lizzie told me about this one and she said it was really good. And it's called Algorithm and it's from iHeartRadio Podcasts, which let me just let me just tell you before I even talk about the content here. um
00:50:43
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I am very proud that we continue to offer a podcast that does not have any fucking ads on it. Because let me tell you, you it is to annoy you you listen to an iHeartRadio podcast. It is an ad all the fucking time. So anyways, you can go to our Patreon right now. If you go freigay13.com slash support, you'll see the link there.
00:51:06
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For just a dollar a month, you can support us. And we won't give you any ads even if you don't support us. So if I'm being quite honest to iHeartRadio and and like like literally all other networks out there, go fuck yourselves. Your your ads are so fucking annoying. it's it's It's awful. i hope i'm I'm sure that you agree with me on this.
00:51:25
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Oh my God, there's so many out there that they it's not even worth it's not even worth listening to the 45 minutes of content because there's an additional 30 minutes of ads. 100%. Anyways, algorithm came out in 2021. And so I'm way after this came out. it's It's obviously it's five years old now, but really interesting stuff.
00:51:44
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um And Lizzie brought this to me because Lizzie is a 911 operator um in um in northwest Indiana. And ah ah so, you know, she she regularly hears, obviously, ah through her work, stories of of some of the most terrible things happening in in the community there.
00:52:02
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ah Because she's the one who actually deals with those calls and then routes them to the to the to the proper resource, whether it's police or ambulance or whatever. And so she has a deep interest in these things, obviously. And this one is about... The murders that occurred in Gary, Indiana, which is, of course, right by where I came from. It's where my parents were both born and where they lived and you know where I lived next to for my my my entire upbringing. um Not far from Chicago, if you don't know where Gary is, it's very, very close. Gary is a city in Indiana that was founded by U.S. Steel, actually. But beyond being founded by U.S. s Steel for all of their workers, it was also a place where a lot of people in Chicago had like summer house because it's right on the on the on the southern tip of Lake Michigan. And there are some really beautiful beaches there. And if you've if you've never been around Lake Michigan before, you might not know it. But yes, it has beaches. And the beaches are really lovely.
00:53:00
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um And so there's there's ah a couple of actually still very nice communities there. Like Miller Beach is is one ah where a lot of artists have lived and still live today. um And beautiful mid-century houses. It's all that kind of thing. Anyways, um there were these awful murders happening in Gary.
00:53:17
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And at the same time, there was this like crime researcher, this like forensic researcher kind of guy who was developing an algorithm that might be able to find serial killers.
00:53:29
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Really interesting stuff. And so he, I can't remember exactly how it happened right now. You'll you'll have to listen to it yourself. But eventually he he but he sort of stumbled into applying this algorithm to the um to the murders that were happening ah in and around Northwest Indiana. in Hammond, in Gary, in Munster, all of those kind of areas. And the algorithm red flagged these murders. And in particular, there was a murder of a woman named Africa Hardy in 2014 that really seemed to fit a profile of, hey, this could be a serial killer. And so what the podcast does, and I actually, I haven't finished listening to it yet, so I don't know the outcome here. But what it's doing so far for me is it is um telling the story of a researcher who had really solid data going to different levels of police, whether it's a sheriff, whether it's like the city police, whatever, and telling them, hey, this is something that you should be looking at right now.
00:54:32
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And they just kept ignoring him. Just kept ignoring him. ah Back to what you were saying earlier, Andrew. I didn't want to say it again. Right. So, I mean, it's and that and that is the thing that that that's really scary about this is that like all of his data has turned out to be true, right? And so I think I probably got about like four more episodes. I'm looking forward to yeah hearing more about how it all plays out. But so far, beyond the ads, it's been really compelling to listen to. um And that that's that's really it. So i mean, look, you know ah ah maybe you have iHeartRadio pass or something where you don't have to listen to ads. I hope that is the the way for you. But even if you don't, it it might be worth it to to to go through it anyway. It's a really interesting podcast. I i i had heard about
00:55:21
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the the murders occurring before, but I had never heard about the story behind it. So it's really compelling. Thank you, Lizzie, for bringing it to my attention. And it is called Algorithm from iHeartRadio and Tenderfoot TV.
00:55:33
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Cool. Yeah, I have a couple of iHeart podcasts, but they drive me insane because... I understand. and it's so funny because their their their slogan is, always human.
00:55:46
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like god but well yeah If by human you mean making as much money as possible, that is what they're trying to do. yeah All right. My third one is called Ick. And it is um about, so i'm going to try to explain this the best way I can. um it is about a alternate earth, which not like alternate, like a different planet, but like, just think of their earth, but not it as we know it. And there is a fungus on this earth called Ick. A fungus among us.
00:56:16
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kind of like mold, if you will. um And it's just always existed for these people. It's never really grown, but it kind of just is always there. It doesn't do anything. It's not poisonous. It's just there.
00:56:28
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And so they just kind of deal with it. and But then one day... uh, Ick the Ick because, and it x stands for something like interdimensional, blah, blah, blah. It stands for something. That's funny. Um, and at one point in this, uh, the Brandon Routh, I don't know if you remember him or not. Superman from the mid two thousands. Oh, yeah. Okay, sure. ah He plays a teenager, which is really funny because I think he's like 45 now. But um um he he encounters the ick in a way during a football game where he breaks his leg and it kind of ruins his whole life. And then it cuts to him later in life. And now the ick has kind of become sentient.
00:57:10
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And it is eating people. And they have to deal with it. It's kind of like a blob situation. the stuff. Yeah. Yeah, or the stuff, like something like that. um And it's kind of just the fallout from that. I rented this on demand. I think I paid like $1.99 for it. Okay.
00:57:27
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I really liked it. I thought it was funny. It also, weirdly, you know, when we think of like Brandon Routh in the mid-2000s, also Mina Suvari is the main... Oh, Mina Suvari. Oh, my God. It's her net forever.
00:57:40
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Wow. um So like... kind of like a blast from the past for people that, you know, were actors in the, you know, early into mid two thousands. And I don't know, it was kind of just a cute story. It's about like father and daughter stuff. It's about like lost love. It's about like, um, growing up in a small town and never leaving. Sure. And it's, and then it's inter, you know, interstitial with kind of a sci-fi adventure blob type movie. So,
00:58:05
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I found it pretty fun. It's not like the best movie in the world. and not trying to pump it up too much, but like it was a fun like Saturday afternoon that's awesome or like, or like party movie, if you will. Um, so yeah, that's the ick.
00:58:19
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That sounds actually kind of fun. I'm not going to lie. Um, we need more of those fun Saturday movies. Uh, my next one, Andrew is not as also not a movie. It is actually a couple of concerts that I went to. um so ah look um ah when I went back for my mom's funeral and everything, right. Um, did not know, ah that we were going to be having the funeral not that same week that I came back, but the week following, which meant that I was in America for about two and a half weeks, which was wild. Um, and in the middle weekend, um, uh two things happened uh one thing is that michael messaged me um and said hey we're all going to see lcd sound system on friday you should come with and i said you know what why the fuck not and then also the next day the very next day ah lizzie once again lizzie you make another appearance on the podcast lizzie said hey i'm going to take you to see peaches with a vip ticket so So I have this bizarre weekend right around my mom's death of seeing two amazing concerts at the same time, which honestly was a bit of a blessing. And it was it was really it was honestly really nice. It was nice to have that. um So look, ah we saw Elsie and Andrew, you were at the LCD Sound System show as well here. So feel free to comment. But it was at the Aragon Ballroom and they were doing a residency. I think they did four shows. Yeah, maybe, yeah maybe four. um And so we saw them on the Friday night.
00:59:48
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And, you know, look, I've been an LCD sound system fan for ah a very long time. um And and yeah and and Michael, of course, is is two. And and and our friend Courtney and our friend Stephanie and you know a bunch of our our our other friends, too. And Andrew, I know that you like them as well.
01:00:05
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um but and we we have seen I've seen the LCD sound system so many times and ah they've also retired so many times. It's actually it's it's it's just it's just become a thing like you just they're never going to retire and that's how it is and that is honestly okay. What was interesting about seeing them this time is you know the last time that I saw them was in England. It was in London at the Brixton Academy. It was a wonderful show. And that had to have been back in 2022, I want to say. So like four years ago. um
01:00:35
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what What was interesting this time was how much older I felt. and And not just how much older I felt, but how much older everyone else around me was. And so what's what's what's honestly kind of cool about it is watching LCD's main fan base.
01:00:53
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We're all getting old, you know? and like, that's just how it is. And so like, honestly, you know, early LCD shows that I went to, it was like dance fest, going crazy in the audience, wild stuff, just all over the place. kind of You know, that that's just how it was. And it was cool.
01:01:12
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That just wasn't the case for this one. It just it just wasn't. I mean, yeah, there were a lot of people. Everyone was having a good time. you know No one was being a dick. At least I didn't think so around me. And like you know we were just having fun. But like you said, Andrew, it was actually it was actually really chill. And i that was great. I really appreciated going to this concert with the same kind of great music and the same lights and everything else.
01:01:35
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But it's a little more chilled out now. So that was really fun. um The next day went to ah see Peaches. If you don't know who Peaches is, you have certainly heard the song, the seminal song, ah Fuck the Pain Away, um where the chorus is literally just fuck the pain away, fuck the pain in away. Like, guarantee you you've heard that before in something. So Peaches, right? This is a VIP ticket, so we get to meet Peaches beforehand.
01:02:02
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And um I didn't put any of this on social media because I didn't want people to think, ah why are you going to these concerts and your mom just died? That would have been kind of weird. um But took a to got got to meet Peaches.
01:02:14
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which I got to tell you was fucking awesome. Peaches is a little woman who is, and and it she is an incredible artist. She is basically a performance artist. That's what she does. If you go to see a concert from her, she has, ah its this in this case, it was her two dancers and then um two sort of like um like crew people. And they are all integral to the show.
01:02:42
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The dancers are probably having the most fun they've ever had in their lives. And they are out there just doing it, doing you know some really cool dance stuff and wearing these insane costumes, like truly insane costumes the entire time.
01:02:55
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And there's a whole like bunch of sets and blow up things and this and that. And the the show is just honestly, it's it's incredible. It's mind blowing how she does this. And honestly, the crowd, it was a sold out show at the um at the Vic in Chicago. The crowd for that was crazier than the crowd for LCD sound system. Not going to lie. Yeah. Because people were going nuts for what she was doing. It was wild what she was able to create on stage with these wild lyrics. And it's all about sex and this and that, whatever. It's something else. You've never seen anything like it in your life. Incredible experience. But we got to meet her before the show.
01:03:35
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And so, ah you know, and Lizzie went up and and Lizzie was definitely nervous and she didn't know what to say. And but she was, you know, of course, enthralled to meet somebody that she really loves. And I i go up and I'm like, oh, my God, Peaches, it's great to meet you. And she was like, you know, we talked a little bit. and she's like, oh you know, so do you live here? And I said, you know, no, I used to live here, but I live in Dublin now. But I'm, you know, I'm back right now. And, you know, one of my best friends gave me a ticket for the show and brought me along. And, you know, yeah I'm here because my mom died. And this was this was this was it, Andrew. She goes, oh, my God.
01:04:05
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I'm so sorry for your loss. I'm going to be thinking about her tonight when I'm on stage. And then she said, and she said, it's funny that you're from Dublin. When my dad died, i did a show in Dublin the next day.
01:04:16
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And so here's me and Peaches, Andrew, talking about our dead parents before the show. honestly couldn't believe it And so she gave me this big hug and you like we you know they all these nice things to say.
01:04:31
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It was lovely. It was absolutely lovely. Blew me away. A different experience than I thought I was going to have. Let me tell you, if you have a chance to see Peaches Live, do not miss it.
01:04:41
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You go see that show. It will blow your mind. Thank you, Peaches. That's it. Cool. All right, my last one is I went to the theater over to the AMC Village Crossings Skokie, Illinois, and saw Ready or Not 2, Here I Come. oh how was it? um I loved it. Good. I'm glad to hear that. So this is obviously a sequel to Ready or Not, which we've done on the show. I think it was Weddings Are Terrifying. Love that movie. So, so good.
01:05:13
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um And this literally picks up directly after that film. And the basic premise is is that as our our titular ah bride is being cared for at the hospital, um a new family member shows up. And it turns out she has a long lost sister that no That they were kind of estranged. It explains in the movie, but they they were estranged. Wow. Oh, that's crazy. Oh my God.
01:05:42
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And then because of what happened in the first movie, it has now triggered part two of this this big thing.
01:05:52
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Because i guess um there's like a grander scheme of like these different families that are all vying for power within this cult that they're in And because that family is now all dead, um spoiler alert for ready or not, um they ah they all now are competing for power. And that is in the form of them still hunting her. And if you say, well, why would she say why would she even say yes to like this again? Because they now have the sister as collateral. And if she doesn't participate, there they'll kill the sister. And so that's kind of the basic premise. um Great, great, great cast for this. Obviously, Sarah Michelle Gellar. I didn't know that. No way.
01:06:38
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Yeah, Sarah Michelle Gellar. It also has the jock from the faculty. can't think of the actor's name right now. yeah um It also has like just a ton of people that you know. Wow. That's cool.
01:06:50
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And it's just a fun sequel. And like I think that you know because it's by the same people that did the first one and it's their story and they're continuing to tell it, it still has that level of humor that the first movie had. um It's still pretty, it's still very gory. I don't know if you saw online, but they hosted a um they hosted a fan event where people got to watch the movie, but they didn't tell them before and they handed them ponchos. Oh no, they were oh no, oh no. there was some blood effects in the theater, which is pretty fun. oh dear. But yeah, I had a great time with it. It's definitely a continuation of that same story. And God, Samara Weaving, how do you still look the same? i think that movie came out like in 2017. So that's almost 10 years ago.
01:07:39
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And she still can pull off the same exact character that she did. So good on you, Australian genetics. For real. I can't wait to see that. I'm glad it was good. Yeah. ah My final one is called the Madison. This is on Paramount plus. um It's from Taylor Sheridan. So if you've ever heard of like Yellowstone or Marshalls or any of those, it's the it is that. And um this is about Michelle Pfeiffer is in this. That's why I watched it. Oh, I saw the previous video. So Michelle Pfeiffer and Kurt Russell and then a cast of, you know, some other people. um
01:08:14
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And it's all about, they're like, they're, they're, Kurt Russell is a very, very, very rich, successful businessman in New York. um But he has a, um he has a yearning to go to Montana where his brother lives and his brother just sort of like, you know, left New York behind a long time ago and moved out to Montana to like build a couple of shacks and, and live on the river and just sort of live off the land and just, you know, live a simple kind of life. It's all that kind of thing. Right. And, um, and this isn't, this isn't a spoiler. I promise in the midst of all of this, while he's on a trip there, Kurt Russell dies. Yeah. So Kurt Russell is dead. And then Michelle Pfeiffer and her family who once again are extremely rich. That's the thing you to remember here. they are left trying to reconcile with this man who they all thought that they knew so well, but really didn't know it all because he didn't care about being rich. You know, of course he cared about being successful, but like for him, he, he would have given it all up just to like go fishing basically kind of thing. And so it is, know,
01:09:23
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ah Is it the right thing to watch after your mom dies? I don't know. i'm not I'm not entirely sure. But that is also obviously one of the reasons why I started watching it. And, um you know, it's it's maybe a little repetitive for sure.
01:09:38
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um But the thing that bothers me is there's a couple of episodes and especially this finale where it just ends. It just ends. It like out of its ends so abruptly that you're like,
01:09:52
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did I miss something? Like did so did I, ah do I have to rewind it right now? Did I really miss why it's ending that way? That is, that's the weird part about this. I don't know what Taylor's, I like i don't, I don't watch a lot of the Taylor Sheridan stuff. It's just not my thing.
01:10:06
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So like maybe that's just his style in general. i don't know. But like, especially like like the actual finale of, of, of this mini series that I don't think it's going to be a a recurring show.
01:10:17
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it was just weird. It just, it's like, literally it just ended. And I just thought that was kind of dumb, but you know, honestly, some of the stuff in there, what I thought was, was, was kind of good. And, um, you know, once again, is it maybe colored by what I'm going through right now? Yeah, maybe sure. um but there were some interesting things in there about grief and about loss that I, that I think were worthy. I think Michelle Pfeiffer did a great job. I haven't seen her in anything for the longest time, um And Kurt Russell kurt russell is the the exact same. I don't think that man has changed either in about 40 years. um So it was it was fun to see them both on the screen again. and you know the parts that are in Montana are really beautiful. i'm I'm a Montana fan. So anyways, that's it, the Madison. Do I recommend it? Yeah, I don't know. Maybe put it on if you don't got anything else to watch kind of thing. um was it Was it terrible? No. But did I did i love it? No, I got to say I didn't, to be honest.
01:11:11
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Well, that sucks that it didn't wrap up in a in a satisfying way. me too. I mean, like, it it it wraps up, I guess. It does. It's just, I don't know. If you ever watch it, I bet you'll feel the same way. We'll see. Yeah.
01:11:23
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all right. Well, that does it for what you've been watching, bitch. Maddie brought us Louis Thoreau, Inside the Manosphere on Netflix, Algorithm from iHeartRadio Podcast, LCD Sound System, and Peaches, which, sorry, gotta go see them in concert, in person, and The Madison on Paramount+. plus And Andrew brought us primate on paramount plus body cam shutter ik, which was on demand and ready or not to here. I come, which is in cinemas now.
01:11:50
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So folks that does it for what you've been watching, bitch. Stay tuned. we'll be back. We'll be back with our first film of the episode, killer clowns from outer space. It was a night like any other night.
01:12:04
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Then something happened.
01:12:11
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You see that? Something different. It's the shooting star.
01:12:20
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Why here?
Discussion on 'Killer Klowns from Outer Space'
01:12:23
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Why now?
01:12:37
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They've been knocking dead. all over the universe. What are you gonna do? Knock my flock off?
01:12:50
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Soon they'll be doing it at a theater near you. Killer clowns from outer space.
01:13:17
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Maybe they're just cruising through the galaxy and stopped here for a bite to eat. You don't need a police
01:13:34
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They wanna play games, they're messing with the wrong guy. What are you in for? Killer clowns from outer space.
01:13:45
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It's crazy.
01:13:50
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Thank God Pogo the Clown wasn't in space or this would be a really different movie. Andrew, tell us about the other killer clowns from outer space. It's crazy.
01:14:01
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Alien creatures resembling circus clowns land their circus tent shaped spaceship outside a small California town and begin cocooning victims in cotton candy to harvest for food. A young couple and a police officer must stop the invasion before the whole town dies.
01:14:20
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disappears. This is directed by Steven Chiodo, written by the Chiodo brothers, Steven and Charles production and distribution were handled by Chiodo brothers productions and distributor was Tran Lux and MGM. Mike tobacco is played by Grant Kramer, Debbie stone by Suzanne Snyder, Officer Dave Hansen is played by John Allen Nelson. And Officer kurt Curtis Mooney is played by John Vernon. Michael Stiegel plays Rich Terenzi. And Peter Lizardo plays Paul Terenzi. I can't say that last name. It's going to bother me the whole time. What is it? Terenzi? Terenzi. Terenzi.
01:14:58
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um This is rated PG-13. It was released on May 27th of 1988, and it comes in at 88 minutes. Locations for filming were watson Watsonville, California, and Santa Cruz Beach.
01:15:11
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It was made in the USA. The budget was $2 million, and this baby grossed $43.6 million in 1988. So just think about that. Why was there never a sequel? A lot of fucking money, man.
01:15:22
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Jesus. um This is ah not my first time watching this. I don't think it was your first time either. Actually, no, it was. it was? Okay, all right. It was. So, Maddie, tell me all about your first watch and first experience with these killer clones. Yeah, so it it was my first watch, and I'll be honest, I wish that it hadn't been my first watch because I think I probably would have had that nostalgia base for it. And because I didn't have that nostalgia base for it,
01:15:51
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I didn't have a lot of fun with it. Right. And so what I'm what I'm going to try to not do in this recording is be a killjoy because I don't mean to be. I really don't. um ah Like I fully understand how this is a cult classic, how it is fun to watch, how like it's just kind of ridiculous. And if you just give yourself over to it, you're going to have a blast.
01:16:15
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If I'm being real, that's just not where my brain is right now. Right. And so like that is I guarantee you I'm i'm not trying to excuse it a away. I'm just saying that's kind of how I feel the way I feel about it. Let's let's be real.
01:16:26
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um If I had seen it when I was a kid or, you know, when I was a teenager or whatever, I'm sure that I would feel differently about this. I would probably feel about it the way that you feel about it. Most likely, I would say, because when did you first see this?
01:16:37
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um I think I saw this when I was a teenager when I was just going through like the 80s horror movies. you know So, you know, goofy stuff. And this movie is certainly goofy. um You know, the the the thing about it. And once again, this is just where I am. But that's the only the only place you can watch a movie from is where you are right now. Right. And so, you know, where I am right now, my brain was just not it just wasn't looking for for killer clowns, which is funny that we do. did show on clowns. ah But one thing that that's kind of struck me now is is that I actually was kind of bored watching it right now.
01:17:09
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And um that's weird because it's about killer clowns from outer space, right? And so I think I'm probably just being a little too harsh on it or whatever, but there's certainly a lot of parts on it in it that are a lot of fun. I think from ah from a queer lens, there's actually some some interesting queer coding in this. I'm sure that you probably picked that up too. The Terenzi brothers, for one thing, like like Andrew, you picked that up. Yeah, especially at the end when they're in the the truck thing. like Not only are they sort of wincy-mincing as though like they're plain gay, but like then you've got the the cop, Dan, or is it Dan or Dave? Is that his name?
01:17:49
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Dave. yeah da yeah Yeah. Dave Hanson. There's definitely some gayness going on there. And also at least a thruple. Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say, or some kind of like threesome-y kind of thing going. um So theres there's a lot of like gay stuff that that is that is definitely there. um And I thought that that was really, really interesting. Yeah. You know, look, i'll I'll definitely give it marks for like being totally original. Like, I don't know how the Chiodo or Kyoto, however you say them, I don't know how they fucking thought this up, but they were definitely on shrooms when they were thinking about it.
01:18:24
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And not only in terms of just like the story, but in terms of the imagery too. So, you know, you've got like this, this small town and these kids who are just partying because they're at the the university there and they come across this like circus out of nowhere.
01:18:40
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And they go into like the main circus tent and they discover that it's actually a spaceship. And in the spaceship are clowns that are making that are like killing people and putting them in in cotton candy cocoons. like It's absolutely just totally bizarre. um And like the the images of the clowns themselves are so fantastical. They're all like these big sort of like mushroomy clowns.
01:19:04
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big sort of like plastic deals. And they've got big faces and they all have different kind of, you know, clothes and different sort of markings and different colors. And it is a very colorful, wild and bizarre movie.
01:19:18
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And that continues throughou throughout throughout all of it. So, you know, look, while while it might not be my bag, I can absolutely see, number one, how original it was, how completely original it was, how creative it was, how like unafraid it is to just be itself, to be honest, which in itself deserves a high mark. It's unabashedly just its own thing.
01:19:41
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and um And, you know, does it is it going to give you any new insights on humanity? I don't think so. um But that's not really what it's for. I think it's just kind of here to to be this wild thing that exists in the horror genre. And I think it definitely succeeds in that. So, you know, look, did I love it? No. Am I am i going to watch it again? Probably not. But am I glad that I watched it? I am indeed.
01:20:06
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Yeah, so um this is not my first time seeing this movie. I think this was a kind of a late-night staple, if you will, um in the college years. And so um i i really I really love this movie. I think, like like you said, I think it's wildly original for 1988. Totally. um and And how they... i think that the thing, and on this watch, that I really appreciated about this movie is that they don't mince their words. Like, they don't, like...
01:20:34
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They don't like there's a little bit of like the cop not believing them, but then like they just move on. Like it's not like prolonged. That's fair. Like, yeah you know, like it's it's nothing in this movie prolonged. It just gets to the point and it does what it does. It just rolls along. Yeah. Yeah, and it's not and it's not a for it's not apologizing for anything. like It's not saying like, well, we want this to be about the human experience. and No, it's just a fun movie about killer clowns from outer space. And so like I kind of put this in the category of like party movie, like where it's kind of like, oh, you want to see this crazy thing from 1988? Can you believe this even was in theaters? This is crazy. Because it's literally about... like It's the most fantastical version of...
01:21:17
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the aliens you've ever seen as far as like, like you said, the ah cotton candy cocoons, putting them in balloons. um You know, the the one part where the one clown makes shadow puppets and eats the people with the shadow puppet. Like it's, it's, it's so fantastical. And for 1988, some of the things they pulled off, I thought were pretty good. Yeah. um And so like, and I love the design of the clowns because they took like almost like a, almost like what you were talking about earlier with like a porcelain doll approach to like these kind of clowns with their, their exaggerated heads and everything. And I like that each clown kind of has its own little personality. Like, i don't know about you, but my favorite one is the little one, the little tiny one. Yeah. Sure. it' So like um I listen. Yeah. Do I think this movie is like goofy as hell? And if you're going in and wanting a serious movie, are you going to be able to like enjoy it? Probably not. But like, is it a goofy movie that you can just have fun with your friends? And is it probably better watched with people? Yeah, I think so. um like like i think that that that That's actually a good point there. Like if I had been watching this with you, for example, or with, yeah you know, somebody else, maybe I would have had more fun. And and that's just the thing is, you know, like like I was saying earlier, I don't want to be a ah ah Debbie Downer on this. Like I once again, I get why people like it. It makes sense to me. I just think like, think about it. You need to be it you need to know what you're looking for when you when you go into it. That's all.
01:22:47
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Yeah. And the one thing that I thought so that was so weird about this and it continues to baffle me now that I saw that it made God like 10, 20 times its budget is why is there never been a sequel? And I started to think about this and I looked it up and apparently this has been in the Chiodo brothers. They've been wanting to do a sequel forever, but nobody will give them the money to do it because they're not really rich from this movie. Yeah, I think in the mid 2000s or like the early aughts or the 2010s, they were offered by SyFy to do a sequel, but they only wanted to pay them $2 million to do it. And ultimately they were like, we don't really want to do that again. We want to be able to bring, you know, something new to this and be able to do it right. mean, the thing made 20 times the budget. So like, that's actually kind of weird to hear that that's the case.
01:23:44
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Yeah. And so i think that now the ah and the Chiodo brothers still have the rights to all this. So that's the other interesting thing is that they have not sold the rights to this to anybody. So it's kind of up to them to shop it around. And so, I mean, we'll see. I could see like a Netflix movie or something, me know maybe potentially. I know that there was a video game that came out kind of in the vein of Friday where there was a you know, the hunt type of video game. i don't think it lasted or did very well. So I don't know what, if there's just not an appetite for this anymore in our modern age or what, or if like, or if the nostalgia is just wearing off with people that maybe saw this when they were kids. I mean, let's face it, we're all getting older, 1988. true. You know, there's just not going to be that that appetite for it that much longer. So I don't know if we'll ever see a sequel, but God, Killer Clowns from Outer Space Returns, that sounds so fun. I mean, I would imagine that that would draw in
01:24:43
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I don't see how how that couldn't be successful, to be honest. At least for like a Netflix or something, right? you know or or or you i mean But even like a wider release. like i mean i i could like Horror fans would kind of go nuts for that. like yeah even Even if they ended up not liking it, they would absolutely go to the theater to go see it. And if yeah and if you did the marketing on that, on that correctly, you could have events run and everything else.
01:25:08
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That's just like, it writes itself. I just, once again, I'm really surprised to hear that just given how much it fucking made when when they released it in 88, for God's sake. That's crazy. A couple of things I wanted to call out. One thing you already did was the queer coding in this movie. So yeah not only do we kind of have like the throuple situation at the end, because there's beyond beyond like the first, like, I don't know, five minutes of them meeting where he makes them sit in the backseat. Beyond that, they're like buds. And then they're like, they never fight over the girl. There's never like a...
01:25:40
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There's never animosity towards like that one of them getting attention over the girl and the girl gives them equal attention, which is interesting. um i Well, she she she finds them non-threatening, you know, and like who who who are the people that women find non-threatening?
01:25:56
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Hello. Here we are. yeah so like, I mean, are they just both gay? I don't know. Yeah. um What I did want to say is, Cop Dave, you're in my book. You're in my book. Oh, I knew. I was thinking, boy, if we if we end up doing hottie of the episode, i wonder who Andrew would choose. Yeah. That is that is the quintessential type of but you know the guy that was in porn when I was coming up in age. so that is that is That is Andrew Huff's preferred meal right there. yeah um um some ah But also there's a quintessential queer part, and I don't know if you picked up on it, but tell me there is a part in the beginning where there are two college kids that are brought in for drinking in the park. They're they're arrested for drinking in the park.
01:26:45
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And they come in and the cop is questioning them and they were like, whatever. We just wanted to have a nice bottle of wine and walk in the park. It's a beautiful night. And I was like, they're gay. Like that's a gay couple. didn't catch that at all. And that makes perfect sense now. Holy shit. Yeah.
01:27:00
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So I think the Chiodo brothers were trying to say some stuff around, you know, obviously. Like, no offense to our our straight men out there, um but what, what like couple of straight buds are like, ah, let's crack open a bottle, bottle of cab and go for a walk in the park. Right. That that is not occurring ever in any decade period. So it's just, I would be interested in, I haven't looked up any interviews with the Chiodo brothers or anything, but I'm, I'm wondering why they put these little references in and if they were trying to say something about the eighties and you know, the, the, in the effect of police and the AIDS crisis and gay people and all that stuff. Sure. Yeah. And I may be conflating, but whatever I pick up on these things cause I'm watching it for the podcast and I think about it a little different than I watch it for the pod. Yeah.
01:27:45
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i don't think that you're I don't think that you're inserting um any sort of any sort of gay lens there. I i think it's, if we're being honest, I think it's pretty blatant, right? Or or maybe that the the better word might be explicit.
01:27:57
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um You know, once again, just just to kind of jump to the end, it it is it is beyond clear that the Terenzi brothers at the end, when they're in that weird car thing, and they're like, oh, yeah, we hid in the freezer of the ice cream truck or whatever, that they're playing gay there. like they they They purposely are are morphing their voices and they're even kind of like slapping each other with like girl hands. Do you know mean? So like i mean there that that's there. it it is it is It is deliberate, it is blatant, like I said, it is explicit. So we can surmise that you know if if if the Kyoto brothers are including a plot point, which they didn't have to include, of of two guys walking through the park with a bottle of wine as opposed to two beers, right? It's 88. It's not fucking like, you know, 01. It's 88. They would have been cracking open a couple of old Milwaukee's or something, right? So like that is ah ah is ah is a specific decision. I don't think that you're you're seeing something that isn't there.
01:28:58
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Yeah. um A couple other things that I thought were interesting is um I love that they ah the the Crescent Cove, like ah what do they call it? They call it like the Mile High Club or something where the where the people make out at the the oh the club top of the cliff. top of the world. Yeah, top of the world. um that he his His setup, our our main guy here, um his setup is an inflatable boat in the back of a station wagon, which i thought wow pretty funny good lord um some other things um i like that you know kind of our our our our foil here in this movie is is uh officer mooney and how he doesn't believe anybody he's so ridiculous my god i but there is a really killer clowns from outer space huh yeah But there is like a there is an honestly kind of creepy um moment where he gets turned into a ventriloquist dummy and the clown is talking through him. And he says to to Officer Dave, he goes, don't worry, Dave. All we want to do is kill you.
01:30:06
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and This is an honestly creepy part in a weird camp movie. God almighty. because he Because that clown literally has his hand stuck up that officer's back. like yeah He flops him down um after that moment and he shakes off his hand to get rid of the blood. And I was like, wow, this is actually...
01:30:25
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uh in a in a camp movie that is actually kind of disturbing you know what i mean it is you know andrew yeah you were you were saying that you don't know much about the kyotos and and neither do i or the chiyotos however you say whatever um a couple of things to know about them because i actually didn't realize this um but they have done a lot of stuff that you would definitely know right so critters they did the creature effects um peewee's big adventure right When Large Marge's face transforms, that was them. yeah they They did that. Team America, World Police, they did the puppet fabrication. Elf, for the oversized prop and creature work, that was them. Spider-Man films, various creature and suit work. So just interesting, i didn't especially when it comes to Pee-Wee's Big Adventure, I did not realize that. So it's pretty cool to to learn a little bit more about what else they've done
01:31:15
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Yeah. And the, and you know what they like, they know how to stick to a theme because like this town that they're in, um Crescent Cove, it has like big top burger and like all this, like, it's like the whole, the whole area is like the, and they have like a permanent amusement park on the pier, which is, which is so hilarious.
01:31:37
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Uh, and also and charles Charles Kyoto is the guy that played clownzilla. He physically played him. Oh, at the end. Yep. the funny thing about the end of this movie is that it definitely feels like a video game ending. Yeah, that's fair.
01:31:52
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And here's the final boss, and there's it and you have to try to get him on the nose to kill you kill him by popping his nose. It's great it's so ridiculous. um I did think that there was... a The one part that made me chuckle this time around is where they're running from the killer clowns towards the end to go in there inside the spaceship and they go to this door and they're like, okay, look let's go. And they open it and he goes another door. And then he opens again and goes another door. It doesn't like four times. And it actually made me chuckle a little bit.
01:32:24
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um And so i don't know. There's, there's certain things about this. I think that the um Terenzi brothers living at the end is kind of my, It's ridiculous. it's my It's my biggest disgrace of this movie is that they weren't brave enough to kill off those characters because maybe they thought there was potential in a sequel to have them in it. oh it's Because I'm like, there's no fucking way that they lived through that explosion of their car. Even if they said they hid in the freezer. I'm like, come on. and and and that complete It's completely unbelievable. But then again, you know look look look look look at what else happened in the movie.
01:33:01
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Well, and that's the only thing that I'll say about the movie is like the stakes don't seem that high because like they, you know, our main, none of our main characters are dead at the end. So it's like, well, they you know, so that, that got me a little bit, but that's not like a, and that's not like a disgrace the movie in my opinion. It's just kind of like, well, that's, the blob where just like literally almost everybody gets killed is like much more high stakes than, you know, some yeah killer clowns. Sure. Um, and, oh, and then the other part I wanted to point out is I thought it was so funny that that woman answers the door with neg and negligee holding a Chardonnay.
01:33:40
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gets turned into cotton candy and I was like yeah oh god so so there are some things in here that I do find some faults but overall I just have fun with this movie and I think that it's highly stylized I think that it's it just knows what it's here to do and it doesn't mince any words when it comes to it so like I just have fun with it I can see why you would see some flaws in it um but overall I just I really like this one so well Andrew tell us what you rate this movie I'm going to give Killer Clowns from Outer Space a five out of seven. So seven stripes of the great gay old rainbows, how we judge you things here on Friday the 13th. I give it a five. And I said, I like that this movie just gets right into it, accepts the premise and rolls with the fun.
01:34:22
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And for me, I said, you know, i was kind of surprised with how bored I was. But you look, I didn't hate it. It's just that this sort of cult classic doesn't really do it for me. And I gave it a four, which I thought was pretty good considering how I felt about it. So folks, that is killer clowns from outer space. Stay tuned. We'll be right back with our next film of the episode stitches.
Review and Analysis of 'Stitches'
01:34:51
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Everybody happy.
01:34:55
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Bastards. You're late. You're ugly.
01:35:00
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Shut it, you. No, you shut it! You're not me, Dad! Shut it, I might be. It's time to cut the cake.
01:35:26
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You've made it. didn't know you knew some of these. Yeah. Hey, thanks for coming. Peace
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out.
01:35:44
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You have hair in your throat. Are you trying to be funny? Not anymore.
01:35:57
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Everybody happy?
01:36:03
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Where do you think you're going?
01:36:32
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Just the record, not every party ends with a dead claim.
01:36:39
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In our world, snitches get rewards. But in other worlds, snitches get stitches. So Maddie, tell us all about the movie Stitches.
01:36:50
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You'll die laughing. huhu ah a slovenly birthday clown named Richard Stitches Grindle dies in a freak accident at a child's party after the kids mock and prank him. Six years later, he rises from the dead, bound by a clown cult ritual to exact inventively gory revenge on the now teenage culprits.
01:37:15
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Stitches is directed by Connor McMahon, written by Connor McMahon and David O'Brien, produced by Fantastic Films and Tailored Films, distributed by Lionsgate UK and Dark Sky Films in America. Richard Stitches Grindle was played by Ross Noble,
01:37:33
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Tom is played by Tommy Knight. Kate is played by Gemma Lea Devereaux. The Motley is played by John McDonald. And Vinny was played by Shane Murray Corcoran, amongst a lot of other, I think, really talented young young people. It was rated R. It's 86 minutes long, thank God. It's a product of Ireland, the UK, and Sweden. It's where all the funding came from and some of some of the people. But it's primarily a film out of Ireland, which is really cool.
01:37:58
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ah we released October 26th of 2012, filmed right here in Dublin and County Wicklow in Ireland. And the budget was about 600,000 euro. That's thanks to a grant from the Irish Film Board. And there was no gross information on this because it had a very limited release. A couple of things before I turn this over to you, Andrew. It was the the acting debut of Tommy Knight and stand-up committee comedian Ross Noble.
01:38:26
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Connor McMahon won Best Death and Midnight Extreme Award at Fright Fest that year 2012. And as a fun fact, about Shane Murray Corcoran, um looking up just his bio basically, he moved to Chicago and worked as a dialect coach and a lot of other things at a lot of theaters across Chicago, including the Factory Theater, Mercury Theater, American Blues Theater, Raven Theater, and Citadel Theater, all of those really high quality theaters in Chicago. So that was just a fun little thing to see because of our Chicago origins.
01:38:59
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So, Andrew, um I remember watching this with you first. And if I'm not mistaken, we watched it in Fenville at the cabin, didn't we? Correct. Yep. That's when I first saw it was with you there. And I didn't really remember all of it, but I remember having a lot of fun with it. You mentioned that this would be a good one for this. So, i look, I know it's not a first watch for either of us, but tell me about how the watch was for you this time.
01:39:25
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Yeah, like you mentioned, we watched this at the camp. we So there was a time in our friendship where we, I think it was like three winters in a row, we kind of um did a cabin experience. Like we just all needed to get out of Chicago and a bunch of group of friends would go up to this cabin.
01:39:41
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And we would just hang out there. And so we were looking for a movie to watch one night. And I said, you know, this movie stitches is pretty funny and it would be pretty funny to show all these people, especially I remember um our friend Megan was with us. And Megan is kind of our our resident, like good girls, like it a little more squeamish, a little bit doesn't like horror movies. And I was like, well, this would be a fun to watch her experience this. And so we watched it then.
01:40:06
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I haven't seen it since. So this was kind of like a return to, to, to stitches. And, and overall, um I still have fun with this movie. I find some of the comedy to be a little grading now, um you know, whatever, what, 15 years later, I guess. Yeah. yeah um And, and so some of the comedy, especially some of the sex comedy that's in it, I thought was like kind of just,
01:40:28
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do Do we need this? ah but um but But still, um that the gore effects are fantastic. The kills are so out there and wild. Like still to this day, I find some of them just insane. um And this is the second movie where I was scarred by a dishwasher. The first one being Garden State, where he blames himself for dying. for um ah his mom not being able to walk anymore because she tripped over a dishwasher that he left down.
01:40:59
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Why I remember that about Garden State, I don't know. because it's Because it's one of the most ridiculous plot points of all time. But when we saw it, we were all like, oh my God, that's so profound. Yeah. And so um I still think some of the jokes land um pretty good. like Like I said, I think that the the ones that hit hit and the ones that I'm like, ooh, are just like really, ooh, So like it's kind of a mixed bag when it comes to comedy in it. um But overall, I still had a good time with it. it was It's a short movie. So even if you do find yourself kind of wandering, it's over before you know it. So it's like not really something you can complain about. And I think that the performances by our main trio, Stitches, what did we say his name was? Tom.
01:41:42
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Tom. So... so Ross Noble, Tommy Knight, and Gemma, Leah, Devereaux, I think are all pretty good. um I think that there's some other people in the cast that you can tell that this is a very early um acting gig for them. That's fine. It's kind of meant to be kind of an option-coming independent movie, so you can't really blame them there.
01:42:03
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um But yeah, overall, had fun with it. it's It's an insane movie. It's an insane premise. The whole lore that they give this movie It's so funny that somebody came up with this. It's ridiculous. was like, what is this? And we'll get into it as we talk more about the movie. But Matty, what did you think upon your rewatch of Stitches?
01:42:23
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Yeah, I had a great time with it. I really did forget that this takes place in what is sort of like this interesting little mix of like, is it England? Is it Ireland? Um, cause they, they don't really tell you to be honest. And if you listen to, if you listen to the accents of, of them, you're going to hear mostly Irish accent accents in this, but you'll, you'll definitely hear some, some English ones for sure. Like for example, Tom, Tom is on like, like for sure he is English. He is not an Irish kid. That is absolute. that That's just absolute. But then his friends are absolutely Irish. So you've got, you know, Vinnie and Bulger and Richie, And then you've got like the the the the the headmaster at the school and the teachers and and whatever else. So different dialects of Irish too. like oh Well, listen, when you when you visit here, Andrew, you're going to see how those, how they, that is the world I live in every day. It's, it's, Ireland is probably dialect wise, like the most interesting country in the world, because ah in Dublin alone, there's probably a hundred different dialects. I'm not even joking. crazy. There's so even like in a little neighborhood, if you just go from this street to that street, it'll be a new dialect. It's absolutely bonkers how, how language developed here. And it's really, really cool and interesting. Anyways. Um, of course, like, you know, naturally when I,
01:43:43
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it's just It's like fun for me to to to live through little movies like this that are that are from here. I just think it's neat. um And I really enjoy... um I enjoy the... um Often like the bravery of Irish filmmakers because I think that they're really good. And there's there's often a lot of really great horror that comes out of Ireland. um And I think it's something to to really be proud of ah in this country. Anyways, I think this movie is really heartfelt. You know, like...
01:44:11
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at at At the base of it, there is like this this this cute little story. It's a cute little story. My God, it's about a killer clown. I know. I was like, wait, what? But it is kind of like a cute little story about a group of friends. And I appreciate that. And I think that's something that is something strangely heartwarming here. Anyways, is this another one that's going to, you know, like...
01:44:36
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give you some interesting new ah insight on, on the human condition? Probably not. um But, but is it a good time? Yeah. I agree with you that some of the comedy here is just sort of like, it's just, it's just kind of old and dated, right? I mean, we would have first watched this in what, 2014?
01:44:53
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fourteen I think probably something like that, maybe. Yeah. um So, you know, we watched it when it was only two or three years old. And now watching it, you know, like you said, almost 15 years later. Yeah. A lot of it doesn't kind of keep going. But I think for the most part, it kind of stands up. um I think it was it was funny that the the group of boys that there there is very clearly a gay one in the group. Mm hmm.
01:45:16
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um And, you know, like that that there's no like there's no like pish posh about it. He's just like himself. And and no one really cares. and I think that that was ah that was actually kind of a ah a nice little thing to see.
01:45:27
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um I think that of of the of the main characters, like you were saying, Stitches, Tom and Kate, I think I agree with you. I think they all do a pretty good job. And yeah, everyone else is kind of a little bit stunted on this. And, you know, that just kind of is what it is. As you said, it's an independent movie. um It was it was funded nearly entirely by a grant. So it's not like there was, you know, any sort of studio behind this sort of injecting a really big talent into it. There wouldn't have been that much money to pay people in the first place.
01:45:57
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um I agree with you too that like the lore around like the clown cult is just silly. The whole egg thing is silly. The clown cult in the cemetery is silly. Their chant is he he he. Right. Right. It's just like absolutely fucking dumb.
01:46:15
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um But you know that that's sort of I think that's sort of ah the the charm behind this movie. So I would say, you know, look, this this for me too was only my second watch of it. um i had ah I had a fine time watching it. And, you know, what once again, is this like going to go on my my list of top 10s or even top 20s?
01:46:33
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Absolutely not. But am I glad I watched it again? Yeah, I had a good time. You know, watching it this time, I had one thought um over the beginning of the movie, which is kind of like what sets up the rest of the movie. is I was like, i kind of can't blame these kids for being not satisfied with this clown because he's a really bad clown. Yeah, he's not good.
01:46:52
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He's not good at all, for sure. so like, it's it's on you, Stitches. It's not on anybody else, quite frankly. Seriously. um Some things I noticed this time around. um One big thing that I noticed um is did you recognize something from a Nightmare on Elm Street makes an appearance in this movie?
01:47:12
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Well, I did notice, I mean, there's there's definitely an homage to Halloween when when Tom is going up the stairs with the knife, for sure. What was the, what was the I think I did, but what was it again? Remind me.
01:47:24
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So if you remember correctly, he takes a pill all through this movie as an anxiety pill. yeah yeah name of that The name of that medicine is Hypnosil. Oh, no way. that's And that is the medicine that the Dream Warriors take in a Nightmare on Elm Street Part 3. Yeah. That's cool. You know, so so we've we've got a Nightmare on Elm Street. We've got a Halloween reference in there. I wonder, are there other ones that we missed, do you think?
01:47:47
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Probably. i mean, i'm i'm I'm assuming that this guy is a big horror guy and he kind of snuck in a lot of things. um I'll be interested to see what you think if you watch Primate because Primate does something very similar to this where there's he puts in a lot of a lot of homages to things in there. That's awesome. That's very cool.
01:48:05
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um So yeah, um Stitches. Let's see here. What do I have on my list here? I think that it's really funny. Some of the things they hide in the background. i don't know if you noticed, but in one of the um newspaper cutouts that Mike has, is his name Mike? Am I saying Tom? Why do I want to Tom?
01:48:21
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That Tom has in his um treehouse. The headline reads, Freak has accident. so I know. I thought that was hilarious too. I loved it um that there yeah Their social media in this movie is called My Face, it you know kind of a mix between Facebook and MySpace, but there's a really funny line that the bully girl says where she says, you invited everyone to come on my face. LAUGHTER And it's like little sneaky things like that where I'm like, well, that's funny.
01:48:53
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Like, I don't need you to like, because there's certain things in this movie, like where um he's having sex with that woman at the beginning or the girl's giving the blow job at the end to that guy putting the egg back together or a very extended sequence where a teacher rips off the genitals of one of the of one of the boys. And like, it is played for like three minutes of this, like penis being ripped off and then put on a balloon. And then like, It's it's insane. um And so there's there's just some things in this where I was like, I think that you need to harness your comedy in a different way because you can be very funny, but you have to be. i think that this this movie is not subtle in any way, in any way, shape or form. No, I would agree. Yeah. I would think that it may benefit, and and he probably does this now. I've not seen what this guy who has went on to do, but like he probably got a little more subtle with this comedy because you'd see it in this movie where the subtle comedy is the funny comedy. like There is a bit where at towards the end where they're running through the graveyard and one character goes over a gate and the other woman is just like goes around the gate. And then in the next scene, the other person tries to go over the gate and he just opens the gate. And so there is like really like little funny moments in there. i think that maybe this was just a sophomore, like a, a freshman approach to comedy yeah in this.
01:50:15
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And so, um, I'd be interested to see what this guy has done. And you said he was a lot in the theater, in the theater world. so that makes a lot of sense. Well, yeah i'm'm'm I'm looking up stuff right now on Connor on Connor McMahon, who who directed it. um Not a lot from him, to be honest. However, it's taking a moment here. ah Let's see here from the dark in 2014. Immediate follow up. This is a straight creature feature, I guess. Stars Niamh Algar. um Don't really know who that is. Short films and TV work, Strangers in the Night, Good Dog, Ghost Gaff, an Irish TV series called Darklands, which I'm going to look that up. uh and there's uh something called no worries if not a tv sketch show for rte e here um also uh let the wrong one in this is the one to know about andm i'm getting this from ai right now by the way so that's why it's written kind of weird this is the one to know about one of the one worth discussing uh dublin set vampire comedy about a man whose estranged brother turns up on his doorstep having been turned into a vampire and the chaos that follows also won a jury also funded by Screen Ireland which is funny Anthony Head was in that actually that's kind of funny oh um and got the jury prize at Screen Fest so I haven't heard of Let the Wrong One In but that's obviously a riff on Let the Right One In so that that that is kind of funny to be honest yeah um and the presence of Anthony Head is a deliberate homage to Buffy the Vampire Slayer so isn't that interesting
01:51:45
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um I think that um another thing that I just, if I'm going to criticize the movie, because that's what we're here to do. Of course. um um I would say that their use of CGI is very weird in this movie because yeah ah most of the effects are very practical. But then they chose like a couple of times like where he's doing the, um he kind of does this like spring hand punch. And that's CGI. And I'm like, you couldn't you can do all this other stuff with practical effects, but you couldn't do that. I completely agree with you because it always looks weird and awkward when it happens. It it just, it looks so fake.
01:52:21
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and Yeah. And then the other part... I don't understand it because if they had done it practically, it actually would have looked really cool. Well, and the other part is where Kate throws a knife and it it lands in Stitch's head, like right where the knife was from the dishwasher. Sure. But it's done it with CGI. And I'm like...
01:52:38
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you guys, you did all this work to do all these deaths practically, and then you skimp out on something so simple as that. And so it just stands out so much more like when they do that. And so like I i' just just wonder if it was maybe like a budget thing or what. But like I just think that for all the practical effects that you guys pull off in this movie, and they look great, why you just do them all?
01:53:01
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yeah Yeah, that makes sense to me. um And so, you know, we can talk a little bit about what what the lore is here. So the lore here is that if a clown does not finish a show or finish a birthday party, then he is an egg.
01:53:17
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And if the egg stays maintained, he can come back from the dead if he's invited to a party like I guess. ah I mean, however, how they thought that up once again, someone was definitely fucking, you know, smoking a joint that night or something. um Because that is a wild lore. Like, I've never heard anything like that before ever.
01:53:37
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and um there So there are a couple get of gags that I do like. I think that the nose sniffing out the kids is pretty funny. think so too. Yeah. Yeah. um there was one joke that i really really did not like and that was the one um the girl who's making out with one of the boys she goes out to look for him and she finds his dead body and then stitches showed it shows up and she screams and he says like why are you screaming chunky he sure got the stomach for it and that's like right yes i heard that too and it made me cringe so hard yeah Yeah, that was a cringer. I mean, i guess like Stitches is a total asshole, so but I suppose he would say that. um But did I want to hear it in this film? Not really.
01:54:19
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Yeah. And mean, my hat's my hat's off to that poor actress that had to have that said to her because that's just awful. It's well and it's it's not the only like fat reference either. there i know when they're When they're in class, they're talking about Mary and how ah Mary, it's obviously like the start of the school year and like, oh, what happened to Mary? And someone's like, oh, she went to a boot camp or took a massive shit, which like is kind of funny. I get it. But like also it's definitely a bit like fat, fat, skinny shaming, um which is just kind of like how many fat jokes do we need? But that being said, like i going to be honest. I've lived here for a while now. You know what kind of flies over here and no one says anything about fat jokes. It's a weird thing over here. I've heard it from a lot of different people. um And whenever it does happen, I kind of point out like, hey, that's kind of fucked up, man. um So it's kind of not a surprise to hear it from an Irish movie.
01:55:13
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Yeah. um One of the jokes that I did like, though, is there's the the bully girl's boyfriend who was also at the party at the at the beginning. um He has a moment where he can't get his clown costume off and he pees his pants. and And instead of being like, oh, damn it. He just goes, not again. Yes, I heard it too. I was like, are you kidding me? It's ridiculous.
01:55:36
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so stupid so that's what i mean about the writing in this movie some of it is pretty funny and some of it is just like come on think think more like just do a little more thinking um but yeah and i think that was all i had in my notes because this movie's pretty short if in the grand scheme of things yeah um but yeah i i and i think the righty-tighty lefty lucy thing is kind of stupid and that's how like the I thought so too. i was like, do y'all not know how to open a fucking jar? for real like It's just a fucking jar, dude. The education system is not doing well. well like like Have you never opened a jar of peanut butter or like like truly nothing? So look, Andrew, what did you rate Stitches? Tell me.
01:56:20
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I gave Stitches a four. I still had a good time with it. I said, the folly is funny and the kills are so ridiculously over the top, but some stunted acting and some pacing keeps me from giving it a stronger score.
01:56:31
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That is fair. We we where we have flip-flop the scores from the last movie. I gave this one a five and I said, it's ridiculous, but honestly, it's pretty damn good. And I love when I can tell that a cast and crew has genuinely had a great time making a film. And that I really did. We didn't talk about that, but I really did get that from this too. Like they're they're having fun and that's always nice to see. And especially if you do watch into the credits, like all like the little stuff that they have in there too, that was also cute to watch. I love when movies do that. I wish more movies would still do that. And at the end there, I just said Irish film forever.
Podcast Support and Listener Engagement
01:57:02
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That's it.
01:57:02
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So Andrew, that does it for stitches and folks that does it for our episode, but listen, stay tuned because we'll be right back to close out the episode with a little game called,
01:57:13
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it's kind cold ah Andrew, your games are hilarious. ah This game is called Circus Act or Cult to Activity. um So we'll be right back with that. Stay tuned.
01:57:23
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Meet Southwest Florida's Wrinkles the Clown. People pay me to go scare their friends. People pay me to go dance at their parties. You know, that kind of things, bar mitzvahs and whatnot. As unnerving as his face appears, Wrinkles is actually a quirky clown, if you can't tell. Ever since these kids put me on the Internet, and my four rings.
01:57:43
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Nonstop, it's ridiculous. So folks, that was episode 159 of Fragge the 13th Horror Podcast. But before we leave, as always, we have a game that Andrew has a lovingly prepared. And they always have some kind of crazy theme. And guess what this one does too? This one is called Circus Act or Cult Activity. So Andrew, tell us about this game. Go ahead.
01:58:04
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Yes, this is circus act or cult activity. And my tagline for this is because cults are basically just circus energy with worse consequences. goes um so I'm going to read to you some um some some acts and you have to determine whether they sound more like a circus act or a cult activity. Okay, fair. Got it. Self-forward. The first one, participants wear identical outfits and perform highly synchronized, almost hypnotic movements while maintaining fixed smiles throughout.
01:58:36
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I'm just going to say circus. This is probably some circus where that does happen. Yeah, that is a circus act. And these are intentionally written a little more um meandering, if you will, to make it so that it's a little harder.
01:58:48
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Okay. um Next one. Members are encouraged to cut ties with family and refer to each other using new names assigned by leadership. I mean cult.
01:58:59
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Yes, that's an easy one. right, the next one. Followers participate in repetitive physical actions designed to break down individuality and create group unity.
01:59:11
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Cult? Yep, yep, yep, yep. Don't think too much about it. Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Let's see here. and Bright colors, exaggerated makeup, and uniform styling are used to create a shared identity that overrides individuality.
01:59:28
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I mean, it could be both, but I'll say circus activity in this case. Yes, yeah. um Participants are told that outsiders won't understand their lifestyle and should be avoided and distrusted.
01:59:41
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Cult. Yes. All right. And the last one we will do is a central performer commands attention while others orbit around them, creating dramatic or reacting dramatically to the gestures if as if controlled.
01:59:58
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I mean, once again, both, but I'm going to say circus here. You're correct. that's this was This was an easier game just yeah this time around. I wanted to give a little easier one. Usually I'm like, damn. I get like two out of ten. um Andrew, that was a fun episode. Great to be back with everybody and hope you all enjoyed it.
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02:02:07
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So it really appreciate if this free podcast, you could maybe throw a couple books every once in a while. It'd be super nice. But if you can't, we understand. Right. and And also just one more thing too, because we we have had people that have been on our Patreon for literally since the very beginning. And just once again, thank you so much because it really does mean a lot to us. um Your support does, but also does you mean a lot to us. The community that we have, that we that we've had,
02:02:33
Speaker
with this podcast has just been incredible for so long. So thank you once again for being so generous with your with your treasure and with your time. Now, there are two ways that you can support us without giving us any money. One is to leave damn review. It's been two years since we got a new review, and we help. Has it been two fucking years, Andrew? Yes.
02:02:54
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Holy shit. God, it's scary. We need your help. So go on Apple or Spotify and leave your review. It takes literally five seconds. The other way that you can help us out is to mention us on social media. We're still on Instagram, Facebook, and ah Threads and and ah Blue Sky. um So, you know, if you want to tag us in something, you think we would you'd think there'd be a good movie for us to review or a good topic, or you just want to say that you enjoyed the the movie or you enjoyed the the pod, please call us out. We want to hear from you. so yeah you know
02:03:26
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And we on the all those social media platforms, we are at Friday13. And you know what, folks, beyond any of that, the most important thing to me and Andrew, to Andrew and i is that you, at some point after you're done listening to this, that you go out there, right?
02:03:46
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And that you have a walk and you walk down the street and maybe you get it in your car and you go for it. I'll let just finish it like this. That you go out there and you slayed.