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🌀 Episode 162: STORMS ARE TERRIFYING 🌀
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Nature doesn't care about you. It never did.
This week Matty & Andrew are boarding up the windows and sitting with the most primal fear of all — the sky itself turning against you. We get into the long, ugly history of storms being used to blame queer people, the real science behind why severe weather feels genuinely supernatural, and why Tornado Alley is no longer where anyone thinks it is.
Also: twenty years after Katrina, New Orleans is still haunted — and not in the way you'd expect.
And then we watched some movies. 🍿🌩️
🎬 BURNING BRIGHT — A Bengal tiger named Lucifer. A boarded-up house. A hurricane bearing down on Florida. A stepfather with a life insurance policy and zero conscience. This 2010 straight-to-DVD gem is genuinely underseen and we need you to watch it immediately.
🎬 CRAWL — Category 5 Hurricane Wendy has hit Florida. Haley Keller has gone back for her dad. He's in the crawl space. The crawl space is flooded. The crawl space has alligators in it. Alexandre Aja and Sam Raimi said hold our beers.
Same premise. Different predator. Different decade. Both absolutely unhinged.
Plus: Horror in Real Life, Whatcha Been Watchin' Bitch, and a closing game of STORM WARNING!
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Podcast Introduction
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Frygay the 13th Horror Podcast is a proud independent podcast. To learn more about the show, visit frygay13.com.
Weather Report from Lesbogay Falls
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Good evening. I'm Steve Cox reporting live from the WCOK News Desk here in beautiful downtown Lesbogay Falls, where residents are once again being advised to remain indoors after what meteorologists are calling a deeply suspicious sky. Let's get an update on this strange weather phenomena.
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Thank you, Andrew. I'm Dick Bentley, live from the StormTracker Weather Center, where, scientifically speaking, things are looking absolutely bananas outside.
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We go now to live radar imagery where the storm system currently resembles, and I want to stress, this is official terminology, a skull?
00:00:59
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Correct. The rotation is intensifying over downtown Lesbogay Falls with hail expected roughly the size of iced coffee orders from emotionally unstable gay men.
Panic in TJ Maxx
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Devastating. Residents are advised not to panic, though unfortunately panic levels are already high after local TJ Maxx shoppers reported hearing tornado sirens while inside the seasonal decor aisle.
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Sources say several women were trampled trying to protect decorative pumpkins marked live, laugh, levitate. We also have reports that every Midwestern father within a 40-mile radius has now stepped onto his porch wearing cargo shorts to stare directly into the storm.
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Authorities continue to urge these men to seek shelter. They will not. Dick, can you explain the terrifying green coloration currently appearing in the sky above Lesby Gay
Green Sky Theories
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Falls? Scientists say it's caused by light refracting through dense storm clouds. Locals, however, believe the sky has become heterosexual with malicious intent.
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Chilling. We're also tracking dangerous atmospheric conditions, including high winds, golf ball-sized hail, and what experts are describing as that weird silence that happens right after you take poppers.
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Bone-chilling reports tonight. Steve, if residents hear what sounds like a Taylor Swift fan club approaching, seek shelter immediately. Thanks for that great reminder. Okay, we'll be right back with more news. And when we return, is your emotional support candle actually making storms worse? And later tonight, five tips for surviving a tornado without sacrificing your skincare routine.
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You're watching WCOK News.
Terrifying Storms in Reality and Film
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It's episode 162, Storms Are Terrifying. i am the writing on the
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I'm Marjorie Greene and I approve this message to save America, stop socialism, and stop China. Faith and hide, we honor thee from life to death to rise!
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Woo-hoo! Horror in real life. Doubters, the doomsters, the gloomsters, they are going to get it wrong. Horror in the movies.
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Where are you gonna go? Where are gonna run? Where are gonna hide? Nowhere.
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are Justice! When do we want it? Now! Let's go! What are you waiting for, huh? What are you waiting for? I want you to know that the movement we started is only just beginning. Sometimes.
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Hurricane Helene is set to make landfall tonight in Florida and the Tampa area. And guys, it's not looking good. 105 mile per hour winds. And look at the name of the hurricane, Helene. Coincidentally, that's my ex-wife's name.
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Our divorce was finalized this week. And if this thing is anything like her, it's going to take your car. It's going to take your house. It's going ruin your damn life. All right, probably both the neighbors too, but I digress. But anyway, guys, I'm sorry to put my air out on the air, but it's been a rough week. And guess what? If you're in this area right here, the Tampa area, you're going to have a rough week as well.
00:04:22
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And welcome back to episode 162 of Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast. My name is Matty. And I'm Andrew. And if this is your first time with us at Fry Gay, the 13th Horror Podcast, two things. Number one, go listen the 161 full-length episodes before that we offer you with no ads. By the way, we have a Patreon. You can check that out at wwwww dotreateth thirteen dot com But also, this is the podcast that talks all about horror, horror in real life and in the movies from a queer perspective. And today, folks, we are talking about storms and storm. And this is not storm from X-Men, although storm makes amazing storms. Good X-Men. Good X-Men. Honestly, perhaps one of the best X-Men. Who knows? Top 10 for sure. Top 10 for sure. But look, this is about real life storms um and lots
Weather Concerns in Ireland
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to talk about there. You know, especially Andrew, I'll tell you what, something interesting about about like weather kind of stuff that I recently heard that is kind of freaky is like, i guess like the jet stream is changing a lot. Have you heard about this? Well, I do have something that kind of goes along with this that we'll talk about in a little bit. But yeah, it's ah the weather patterns are changing. i'm not sure if all people are prepared for what's to come. I don't think they are either. And I'll tell you what, I'm one of them because what I've heard about Ireland and the weather is that it's just supposed to get colder here and not hotter and actually like and actually windier. So windier and colder is what's you know on the docket for us. I'm kind of pissed off about that. I'm not going to lie. But whatever.
Aggressive Animal Behavior in Hurricanes
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um I will be going back to therapy soon and maybe I can talk about that with my, with a therapist who will help me, you know, deal with my, my weather issues. But listen, Andrew, we've got some great films set up for today. You already know them because you watch them. um And they're, they're, they're called burning bright and crawl. And as I was telling Andrew, know,
00:06:27
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you know It was the first time watch for me on both of these. I just never knew how much how crazy animals get during during ah hurricanes. And these are two movies that show you how crazy they get. um So, you know, look forward to hearing more about those. But, you know, first we're going to be talking about some real life storm stuff. um Andrew, what are you bringing to us today about hurricanes and and and and and other types of crazy weather?
Personal Hurricane Stories
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Yeah. So I would be remiss to not mention once again, because I think we mentioned it on our weather episode, but we both didnt have. That was a long time ago. When was that? yeah ah that Maybe be like two years ago. But oh we both have hurricanes. I'm going to say they're named after us, ivan yeah even though. I'm proud of mine.
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So, yeah, Hurricane Matthew actually happened in 2016. It's a category five, 168 miles per hour. And you drew what what state did it hit?
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ah These were these were both Atlantic. So they hit like Florida, Georgia. just Yeah, just so just stop right there for a minute because Hurricane Matthew, I just want to let everyone know this. Hurricane Matthew barreled down on Florida right after my ex-fiance and I broke up and I really hate it. I don't hate him anymore, but I really hated him then. And he went back to Florida to live and then Hurricane Matthew hit And I'm sorry. Like, that's come on. Like, that's just karma. It's it's it's poetic justice. You know what i mean? Now, that being said, I'm sorry for the people that died. Andrew, how many did my hurricane kill?
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Yeah. Unfortunately, you killed six hundred and three people. I didn't mean to do that. I'm sorry. I was angry. I did. And you and you missed the one I thought.
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I was just looking for one. I i ended up with six. I went to Target for one thing. I came out buying a lot. You know what i mean? Yeah. Sorry, people. i did not mean to do that. That is my fault. No. yeah And of course, you know, we're just we're making fun here. But you know what I mean?
00:08:29
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Well, and you know, this is this is like classic you and me. The pacifist Hurricane Andrew in 1992, also a Category 5 coming in even hotter at 174 miles per hour, only killed 65 people. he was he was He was extra careful and a rule follower when he came through. Seriously. ah There could be nothing more indicative of both of our our our ah ways of coming out of conflict. it's it's It's literally us in hurricane form. It's it's actually hilarious. I come in hotter, but I don't kill as many people. Oh, my God.
00:09:03
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And with less infrastructure. it it is It is wild. 2026 now, of course. last year was the anniversary of Hurricane katrina Which I think for Americans, well, I mean, really for everybody who was alive then, but for Americans especially, that's probably the hurricane that sticks out the most, I would say, in people's brains because it was just- That and Rita, yeah. And Rita, fair. But I mean, Katrina was just, it was so awful, the hurricane itself.
00:09:35
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And then the aftermath of it was even worse because there was just so much flooding and and the um the the ways that racism— The government failed? And and and and the government and just sort of a lack of care for poor people, ah poor people of all races, but poor people especially that were Black— um, in, in Louisiana and in the very poor parts around new Orleans, how all of the, that, those, those decades and decades, or even more than that, really since the civil war, all of those, those centuries of, um, of lack of care and compassion, how they, uh, they all kind of came crashing down after Katrina and they really showed bear, um just how awful it was for people that live there and and how something like a hurricane could just completely destroy their lives even further. I remember when Hurricane Katrina was going on and we were like watching the news in my mom's house then. And there were, you know, some my, my siblings were there. I remember
Hurricane Katrina Discussion
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we we were all like kind of around the TV watching this thing unfold because we didn't really have the internet then, you know, like we had, we had it very basically. We didn't have, um we didn't have, not all of us had iPhones. That is what I'm trying to say. Right. And so we were watching like, you know, network news. And I remember, i remember, you know, seeing the people, I'm not going to call them looters because they weren't, they were going to get things that they needed to survive from stores. Right. Like,
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you know, water or, or bread or, you know, whatever they could, whatever they could find for God's sake. And I remember one of my sisters just sort of some of the things she was saying, I remember hearing them and thinking to myself, what do you want them to do?
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Yeah. What do you want these people to do? do do you want them to just die? do you want their babies to die because they're trapped in a hurricane? Is that what would be more acceptable to you? And then if you remember, too, all the people that were walking around with like M16s and fucking like AK47s like defending property like bro mother nature has called to your board let it go mother nature has come to you to let you know how insignificant you are on this earth and how none of the things that we build as humans actually matter so like do you really think it's it's worth it to like kill people because they're taking a loaf of bread you know what I mean
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It's just like bizarre stuff. I i don't know if we really moved past that. We haven't. I don't think so. You know, the last thing that I'll say is from recent experience here, there was a big storm two years ago um and it was... it was ah You know, when storms hit Ireland, like Ireland is not big. It's smaller. it it can fit inside Indiana. That's the best way to think of it. That's crazy. Right. So like, you know, when a storm hits, it generally hits the whole island. But like it definitely always hits the West Coast first.
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And so there were, i think it was Storm Eowyn, it might have been. I can't remember the name. Yeah. It was a named storm and it barreled down hard, hit the West hard. And ah like thankfully, I don't think that anybody died.
00:12:56
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But I do know that people out West were without power for like two weeks. and i And I remember thinking like, boy, aren't we the richest country in Europe? You know what I mean? Like how on earth are we letting people like not get power?
00:13:13
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You know, like, and, and those are the things once again of a government not taking care of the people in the right way. you know, the people who actually need help, blah, blah, blah, blah. You got to do it, man. It's not a surprise to me, you know, now that we find ourselves in these strange political moments where you have, you know, periods where people weren't taken care of well enough. This is what happens when, you know, when, when, when, when when that occurs.
00:13:36
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Yeah, I really do think that we've lost sight of what government is actually for. um And now it's just about social topics that get clicks or get attention on the internet. and Yeah.
00:13:52
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It's not about taking care of people anymore. And it's, I don't know, i don't know when, I don't know when this happened. I don't know if it's the fault of people or the internet or money or what, but like, it's, it's a really, really big issue that we don't take care of people anymore. Well, yeah. And I mean, you know,
00:14:14
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just back to America, know, you've got a president who literally wanted to get rid of FEMA, yeah you know, like imagine literally wanted to eradicate a whole nation. So, so it's like, you know, imagine like, you know, the next hurricane that comes, there's always going to be another one or the next tornado that destroys a place like Joplin, Missouri, or the next, you know, this or the next that, whatever, you know, think about that. Like who's going to take care of you?
00:14:39
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You know, who's going to go in and actually handle, you know, that, that sort of outreach that, that needs to be done so that people don't, don't die and that you can get back on your feet. It's scary that, um that people are now, because it's not just the government, that people have been bamboozled enough into thinking that like even victims of storms don't really deserve our help.
00:15:03
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Right. You know, they, they, they would they, they might ask first, well, who did they vote for? Yeah. Well, we've gone, we've gone beyond, uh, the pull up your bootstraps mentality. We've gone beyond that now. Like it's where like, if you can't take care of yourself, then fuck you. Like it's then die it's insane. And die. I mean, I, I really think that that's, that that's at the heart of it. I think that, um, I think that there, there, there are plenty of people and and this does all connect for anyone out there going, boy, they're going off topic. No, we're really not. It really does all connect. I i i think that there are people who when the next hurricane hits and the and the next hurricane in America, because yeah the hurricane just hit America so frequently. It's supposed to be a record year this year, I heard. yeah
00:15:45
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There you go. And when does hurricane season start? Does it start in like October? is that when it begins? Um, official hurricane season actually starts in the spring and goes through, through the hole. I guess I didn't realize it started so early. Well, okay. Then then we're all, then we're already in hurricane season, it's right? It's, it's, it's that we, it's because of when, um, hot air and cold air hit at the same time that creates the spiral and that's when it all starts. So it's kind of like the change of the seasons is when like hurricane season is. That's pretty crazy. But but I mean, the next one that comes and like I just for fun, I just looked up hurricanes forecasted now. There's like a bunch of storms that are that are being forecasted at the very moment and at this very moment. And um the next one that comes and hits America, it's what I said before. You will have people um in the current administration that is being run by a fascist dictator and his cronies
00:16:41
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you will have people in that administration who are going to first ask who, what, what did those districts vote for? and they are going to give them aid. And I put big air quotes around that. They're going to give them aid based on that.
00:16:57
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And I would imagine that if, it if, if like another like hurricane, I think it was hurricane Sandy that went all the way up to New York before, um when the big one, like was like, it was like right when the marathon was about to happen and all that kind of stuff, it was terrible. But like if that were to happen again kind of thing, they'd probably say, no, you're not going to get a dime out of us. Ask ask mom Donnie, they would say. But then there are also going to be people in America who are staunch, who are in the MAGA cult, the the MAGA cult members.
00:17:23
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And I'd like you to react to this in the words of Tony Scaramucci, Andrew. But there are MAGA cult members who I really do believe this. They are going to be glad that people in what they would think of as blue states are dead.
00:17:37
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That's what they're going to think. And and if look, and if we're being real, it's going to happen with with with people in blue states too. they're They're going, because i cause I've seen this happen. We've seen it on social media before. When a big storm hits the South, you do hear people from our side going, oh, that's, well, guess, hope you ah get the day you voted for, whatever. And like, look, I get that response, but at the same time, it's like,
00:18:02
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ah Like, what about just like I like literally people are going to fucking die. Like, look we just need to learn how to help each other again. Like, oh i don't know, Andrew. I don't know. No, I mean, i thought you're very hopeless.
00:18:15
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I understand your plight. It's like it's one of those things, though, where. this This is the tough part for me, and I'll just be completely foreborn and honest here, is like we've upheld these states for, ah like just from a financial from a financial standpoint, the blue states have upheld these red states for millennia.
00:18:38
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And they still want us dead. So like when's when does the bow get so bent that it actually breaks? no I don't know. i i really wonder like when the country is going to split.
00:18:52
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Yeah, I don't know. Like when. I don't think it's an if anymore. I i think it's more of a when. And that is just like, it's just if. It's insane to think about. But who knows? I don't know. Anyways, Andrew, what what kind of stuff do you have to talk about here?
00:19:07
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What do you think? Yeah, i have a little bit of a history of weather and how it was seen. And then a little bit about how it ties into the LGBTQ community. Oh, shit. Okay, bring it to me.
Blame on Societal Outsiders for Storms
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All right. So for most of human humanity, for for most of human history, I love it. For most of human history, storms weren't seen as weather. They were seen as punishment. Before science could explain thunder, lightning, floods, or tornadoes, people believed that they were caused by angry gods, demons, witches, or sinful people poisoning society. Entire communities would look for someone to blame after crops failed or homes were destroyed, and that that blame almost always fell on society's outsiders.
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Women accused of witchcraft, religious minorities, and people seen as sexually deviant or morally corrupt. Storms became proof in the minds of fearful people that nature itself was rejecting certain kinds of people.
00:20:09
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During the European witch trials, women were literally accused of summoning hailstorms, ruining harvests, and calling lightning from the sky through magic. Sailors bought enchanted wind knots from supposed witches to control storms at sea.
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While churches rang bells during thunderstorms to try to drive demons out of the clouds. Across history, queer people were also blamed for blamed natural during natural disasters as symbols of moral decay.
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a pattern that we are which is true A pattern that still echoes today whenever extremists claim hurricanes or floods are divine punishment for LGBTQ rights or changing social values.
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Storms reveal something deeply terrifying about humanity. When people are frightened by forces they can't control, they often create monsters out of other human beings instead.
00:21:05
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a strong modern example... came after Hurricane Katrina in 2005. I had actually forgotten about this. And when I read about it again, i was like, I totally remember this.
00:21:16
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um When several American religious extremists publicly claimed that the hurricane was God's punishment for sinful behavior, including including New Orleans queer culture and Southern decadence. A major LGBTQ event that had taken place shortly before the storm.
00:21:38
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Similar rhetoric appeared after Hurricane Harvey and other disasters with televangelists and extremists, religious figures blaming LGBTQ rights, same-sex marriage, or pride events for provoking divine wrath.
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The event most famously blamed in connection with Hurricane Katrina was Southern Decadence, a massive annual LGBTQ plus festival and parade held in New Orleans over Labor Day weekend. After Katrina was devastated, the Gulf Coast in 2005, several anti-LGBTQ religious extremists publicly claimed the hurricane was God's punishment for the festival.
00:22:16
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And for New Orleans queer culture. my God. um One of the most wicked, one of the most widely, I should say wickedly, going to say it. one of those wickedly quoted examples came after the evangelical group Repent America, ah who they I looked them up. They are a religious affiliation out of Pennsylvania. Sounds great.
00:22:39
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um whose leader claimed it was no coincidence that Katrina struck just before the Southern, it was actually just after Southern decadence, but he didn't even get that right, was scheduled to begin. Other religious and political figures echoed similar rhetoric, framing the storm as divine vengeance against homosexuality and quote unquote moral decay. Now, what makes the story especially eerie is how quickly people turned a catastrophic natural disaster into a morality tale. Instead of focusing on the actual causes of the devastation like levy fails, government mismanagement, and infrastructure collapse, some groups immediately searched for quote-unquote sinners to blame.
00:23:22
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it's It is classic human nature to fucking blame everyone but your fucking self. Get it together. Look at who you vote for. Look at what your government is doing and fucking get it together, people. Jesus Christ. and it's just it's so like it's so It's so juvenile ah to use this. It's tales. It's Yeah. It's absolutely ridiculous. And um well, you know, I think that their version of it is is fairy tales. Their version of it is make believe. You know, like, yeah, I have I have a brother, ah my oldest brother who will never listen to this podcast. so I'm not worried about it. But he is ah totally in the mega cult. God bless him.
00:24:06
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And yeah I would, I would classify his version of Christianity. And my brother and I have have said this before that it's like, it's like, it's like science fiction and yeah like, it's, it's no surprise because like those are the kinds of movies that he likes. He likes the idea of like, they're constantly being the threat of an apocalypse. you know and And that that apocalypse has some sort of like reason behind it and that there must be a hero who could possibly go and like stop that apocalypse from happening. It might just be him. You know what i mean? if he you know if he If he is strident enough about enough issues, maybe that will end it. That is sort of the mindset of people like that.
00:24:45
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And that is, it's it's it's so many things, but I'll go back to the word juvenile. It is a juvenile understanding of religion and its and its place in our lives. i i I really think that we should be teaching kids about world religions from the very beginning so that they get a good idea of what these things are and what people really believe and and the phenomena that they encompass. Because then you get stupid people like this blaming weather on gay people.
00:25:13
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Like ah ah that that is, I don't know what else to tell people. That's not how it works. That's just not how it works. If that's the God that you believe in, though the one that is waiting to see um if Johnny and Billy, you know, fucked last night and then he's going to let the hurricane, you know, rip. Like um you should think about whether or not you really want to worship that God. It might not be a good one to worship. Yeah. I don't know what to say because at the same time, what's what's so funny about it, Andrew, is like, if that if if that's the God you want to worship, like let's just say theoretically, like, oh, that's that's the one I want to be with.
00:25:47
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ah Is he making your life better? are Are you rich? ah did Do you have the mansion yet? Like, did did that God give you like all the riches and stuff that you're looking for? or were you just bamboozled into thinking that you're going to get it in the afterlife?
00:26:03
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Because if that's true, then all you are is Taliban. All you are is Taliban waiting for your 40 virgins in the next life if you do X, Y, and Z. Like, that's fucked up, man. It's very, very fucked up. It's it's very, very weird. And it's very, very weird that we have not expanded ah ways of thinking beyond that. Because and yeah like it it it is it is very strange to me that we have expanded education so far and then we have rescinded it so far so quickly.
00:26:36
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that now we are an evangelic evangelical, like, oh yeah, for sure. but um america America is under the control of an evangelical cult. that is Yes, it's insane. MAGA is evangelical to the core. it is It is so bizarre. And these are people that do believe that God has a a stash of lightning bolts He's going to pick one up. And if he's mad, he's going to throw one right at your gay ass. Like that's, that's a bizarre way of thinking, my friend. i don't know. I don't know what to tell you. And I am, I'm a religious person saying that.
00:27:12
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how how How do adults that have been through life think this way? I don't understand. like it's it's it's it's It's like mind bending to me that like you can't understand that like yeah the world doesn't work this way. You actually have to like believe in something that's actually tangible, not just outside of your periphery. Well, I mean, but I don't think just tangible. I mean, I know what you're trying to say here, but i and I'm pushing back, but not in a mean way at you. Like, I don't think just the tangible, right? Like we are we are round people because of the things that that we do and the things that we believe.
00:27:53
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And so, you know, we believe in a number of things that you cannot feel or hold. We believe in love. We believe in compassion. You can't hold those things. You can see the effects of them. And we also do believe in things that enhance our lives and give them more meaning. And, you know and for some people, religion can be that.
00:28:09
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But if you're, if if you, if the only method that you have to understand the world around you is by understanding it as either like, like in some strange sort of like profit loss way of if if there's a profit, it benefits me and mine. And if it's a loss, it's because I did something wrong.
00:28:29
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um to a God that is up in the clouds that I don't really even know that much about and that someone is feeding, spoon feeding me this bullshit information about, that's fucked.
00:28:42
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That's really, really fucked. I think it goes back to, once again, we have we have created a society that is anti-intellectual. It's not cool to know things anymore. Oh, we've been saying that for years now. so Exactly. You know, it's it's suddenly it's not cool to go to college anymore. now no one wants to go to college. And look, I've said this before too. It's fine if you don't want to do whatever you want. But it doesn't mean that people who do go to college, that people who do want to learn how to learn and want to, you know, be it be smart and whatever they want to be smart in. It doesn't mean that they're pieces of shit for it in the same way that it doesn't mean that someone's a piece of shit if they want to go become an electrician. Like it just doesn't mean that. But all we do is hate each other so much.
00:29:23
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We just hate each other so much. Going back to my original point of when storms like these happen, you've got it on both sides. People going, hey hey hey hey hope you die. Hope you die. We're not helping anything with that. Like,
00:29:36
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I don't know what the answer is, but the next one that comes, as you said before, it's going be worse. More people are going to die than died in Katrina, than died in Andrew, than died in Matthew. And that should freak us all out.
00:29:53
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It should really freak us out that that's where we are, not just as Americans or Irish people or Europeans or you know whatever kind of group, but as fucking humans. Like it's just... well It's and it a sad indicator of where we are, that we just want each other to die all the time.
00:30:11
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Well, and it should freak you out that the people that you put in power don't even want to help you. Okay, girl, ah did you, and this this is a little off topic, but I'll just say this right now because we're recording this on the 16th of May. And it was like two days ago, I think, there was a reporter asking Trump...
00:30:28
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about the but about the Iran war. And the reporter the reporter asked yeah Trump, and of course, J.D. Vance was ready to to talk about this, wasn't he? a little fucking cocksucker. But the reporter asked Trump, hey, but something like this, are you concerned about Americans, like regular everyday Americans' finances when it comes to this war? And he said, you must have said it five times. Nope, not concerned about it at all. Doesn't enter my mind. I don't think about it. The only thing I think about is Iran having having a nuclear weapon. He said that like 30 nabrans. Exactly. and then And then what does J.D. Vance do? He goes on TV saying, he didn't say that. He never said that. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. hate that motherfucker. Listen, like that, if if that's the person that you vote for, The person that literally just said on on television recorded right there for you to fucking see and listen to that he doesn't care about your finances and you still vote for him.
00:31:29
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ah Then guess what? He doesn't care about you when a storm hits either. That's the fucking truth. J.D. Vance is going be the youngest person ever to need to need knee replacements just because he's been on his knees so much in his entire life. He'd be sucking that Trump dick. He's a visa oh it's a goon.
00:31:46
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Well, Andrew, that's really yeah um interesting stuff. I do want to pay off one thing that we mentioned earlier, just because we talked about tornadoes and and stuff. A tornado... ah It's very interesting because I heard a report and I wanted to follow up on it that Tornado Alley, which is currently like, what what do you what do you think about when I say Tornado Alley? You probably think about like Oklahoma and Nebraska, right?
00:32:08
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um I think about like, I mean, for me, I think about like um Midwest to just on the edge of the West in like the American brain. So like i see Southern West. Yeah. Yeah, but I think about – I guess I would also include like Missouri in there too. Like that's in my head and like, I don't know, maybe Iowa too kind of thing.
00:32:30
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So I'm just going to read this really quick. But for decades, Americans were taught that Tornado Alley was mostly great centered in the Great Plains. Great Plains, yes. Right, yeah. Places like Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, and Nebraska. Kansas!
00:32:44
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But in recent years, scientists have noticed evidence that highest concentration of tornado activity may be shifting eastward into parts of Mid-South and Southeast, including states like Arkansas, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Kentucky, and even portions of Illinois and Indiana. Wow. Researchers sometimes refer to this new or high-risk region as Dixie Valley. Wow.
00:33:09
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What makes this especially terrifying is that tornadoes in these eastern regions are often deadlier than the classic plains tornadoes people picture. In the Great Plains, tornadoes are often more visible because the land is flatter and more open. But in heavily wooded and densely populated areas of the south and midwest, tornadoes can nearly invisible at night or hidden by rain mobile homes are also more common in some of these regions uh increasing vulnerability scientists uh believe factors like warmer gulf moisture changing climate patterns and atmospheric instability may be contributing to this geographic shift though research is ongoing
00:33:54
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Wow. um there there is something deeply unsettling about the idea ah that this map of danger itself is changing entire communities that historically didn't think of themselves and being in quote unquote tornado country are now facing stronger and more frequent severe weather it turns storms into kind of a moving horror the safe zones people grew up believing in may no longer exist Yeah, ah that's that's terrifying. You know, i I do know with a sister in Nashville that that the weather here the weather there has definitely been more chaotic since since since she started living there.
Tornado Alley Shifting Eastward
00:34:28
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So like in the past, you know, 15 years or so, it's definitely been weirder. They get...
00:34:33
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like strange snow storms there now and like ice storm. Oh, interesting. And like that's, that stuff never used to happen and fucking, I mean, now if you haven't been Nashville before, motherfucker is hot all year round pretty much. It is just, it's steamy. And like even in the fall, it's not going to be like cold. So the fact that they get like ice storms that they worry about is crazy stuff. You know, look,
00:34:54
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i I say this with every real fiber in my being. I'm going to pray for those people. i I will. like I'm going to pray for two things, that you stay safe. And number two, that like you turn around and you understand that like one day you're going to need the help that you are not letting other people get.
00:35:13
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Yeah. I think that's the most important thing to take away from this is that like, just because we're helping ah one community or one state or one town doesn't mean that next week it couldn't be you.
00:35:27
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So like that just let's let's truly be American or Irish or whatever or whatever, wherever you are and truly lift each other up and truly use, use the money that we put in for taxes to help people stop funding these fucking billionaires and giving their pockets even more money. because This money is for you. Biggest, biggest grift of, of human history
00:35:57
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Now, Andrew, before I let us go on to of what you've been watching, bitch, a few things that will just give us sort of a horror element here, thinking about some ghost stories in New Orleans. Cool. Yes, I like it. I'll tell you what. Our next trip needs to be to New Orleans.
00:36:12
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I've never been. I've never even been to the South, really. this is The South I've definitely been to, more more than I'd like, if I'm being honest. But New Orleans... only been to Florida. Oh, wow. Wow. And New Orleans would be great because of all the obvious. data i just I think we would have an absolute blast there. um Yeah, agree. But New Orleans was already, by most accounts, the most haunted city in America before Katrina. But then on August 29, 2005, so now it's going to be 21 years this year, um Hurricane Katrina made landfall, the levees failed, and more than 1,200 people died, many of them trapped in their attics as the water rose around them. Oh, God.
00:36:49
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God, imagine being trapped in the basement like the guy in, what do you call it, Kroll. I'm we don't have to imagine it. We saw it in Kroll. Right, yeah. In the months and years that followed, something strange began happening in the ruins left behind. Not strange in the way New Orleans ghost stories usually are. No elegant antebellum apparitions. No voodoo queens. and It was strange in a quieter, more subtle way. So the first one here is about Lindy Boggs Medical Center, fully functioning acute care facility, 187 beds, state-of-the-art equipment. And when the storm arrived, staff brought patients, families inside to shelter. A hospital, after all, seemed like the safest place to be. When the levees broke, floodwater overwhelmed the generators, the power died, and in a building full of critically ill patients, doctors could no longer operate. Life support machinery began to fail, Nurses took turns hand operating ventilators in the dark in cycling heat with no communication to the outside world.
00:37:53
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Forty five people died there. Some were left behind with just three medical professionals who had chosen to stay voluntarily. Oh my God. Because without them, those patients would have died alone. The hospital never reopened. It was abandoned. and left exactly as it was. Urban explorers who entered in the years following described a building suspended in time. Calendars on the walls still showing August 2005.
00:38:19
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Boxes of sterile syringes stacked untouched above the flood line. An x-ray table with a lead apron still draped over the counter as though the patient was expected momentarily. One explorer described turning a corner in the dark to find a room that had later caught fire in the abandonment.
00:38:38
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For a moment, she wrote that she could not breathe. The burnt paint chips appeared to move. I take moments like these as my cue to leave, she noted. Outside, a single chair wedged in the frame of a shattered third floor window dangling over the emergency ramp below. it was still there a decade later.
00:38:56
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Imagine that, how ghostly that must have been. The light in the dark building, thinking about Charity Hospital, another enormous facility abandoned since the storm, generated what became one of the most widely circulated post-Katrina incidents.
00:39:10
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A nurse named Lisa Wally Staggs was working a night shift at Tulane Medical Center across the street. Years after the disaster now, she looked up in a building that had been entirely dark, every window sealed, no power, no occupants, a single window was glowing. flippered. photographed it and posted it online. The image spread rapidly. No explanation was ever confirmed.
00:39:35
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Look at the chills. I know, for real. i ah I imagine that, right? The Lower Ninth Ward lost something close to 60% of its households after Katrina.
Ghostly Phenomena Post-Katrina
00:39:45
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Those who eventually returned described streets that had been that had become impossible to read. Houses that appeared inhabited and houses that appeared abandoned were, by that point, nearly indistinguishable.
00:39:57
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ah Debris on every corner. Homes pulled from their foundations. Red spray-painted crosses on the walls where search teams had checked for bodies. One writer, visiting two and a half years after the storm, described it as a ghost town, except that the ghosts were the living people she occasionally glimpsed crossing.
00:40:17
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the street. The post-Katrina hauntings that have endured are not, for the most part, about apparitions. No figures at the end of the hallways, no sounds in the night. What they share is something more mundane.
00:40:30
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Places that look exactly like the moment everything stopped. The calendar, the apron, that single-lit window, the dangling chair. If there is a horror here, it may be less about whether the dead are still present and more about what their absence looks like when no one comes back to acknowledge it.
00:40:49
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It's a little bit about New Orleans and some of the aftermath, some of the ghostly aftermath. wow But it is a place I've always wanted to go. And um what yeah I'm interested in going there now so many years after.
00:41:03
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And seeing for myself what that looks like, how that resilience has has transformed a place, but transformed a people more. you know i'm i'm you yeah People like you and me, we are products of a 9-11 generation.
00:41:21
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sure It colored us and who we are and and everything else. And Katrina came just four years after that. So that's a little bit of who we are too. but You know, would when when you and I would would would go soon-ish to New Orleans, um you know, we'd be meeting, ah you know, adults now who live there who were just tiny children when it all happened.
00:41:43
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It'd interesting just to to be in that community and to see how it's affected everybody. I don't know. i'm'm I'm looking forward to doing that trip one day. I am. Cool. ah Well, ah do you have anything else that you want to share about? No, Andrew, I don't. um Except one thing I will say about storms is that I do actually, like, I miss a good storm. I'm not going to lie.
00:42:04
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And, you know, i've I think I've said this before, but, like, storms here are actually more boring than you think. um Like, we don't get thunder. We don't get lightning. And, like, I know that storms can be devastating, but at the same time, like, man, I miss a good thunderstorm. I really do. like it's so much fun, you know?
00:42:21
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Yeah. um ah i'm I'm sorry. I grew up my entire life in the Midwest. So yeah storms are like a quintessential part of same living. And so ah sometimes I just turn on my little sound machine and I turn it to storms and I just let it play. So while they are terrifying, there is some comfort in knowing that nature is still there and that nature is still taking care of this world. Yeah.
00:42:48
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And no matter who is elected or no matter who is roaming the earth, nature will always be the overarching force that will take care of all of us. Yep, exactly. i agree.
00:43:02
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Well, Andrew, that does it for our Horror in Real Life segment. And what a segment it was, folks. What a segment it was. We had a stormy conversation. Hope we weren't too windy for you. i know I'm not winded after that conversation. Andrew, I hope you're not feeling too cloudy right now. I could keep going with these puns, but I won't. um Instead, we'll break here. We'll be right back with what you've been watching, bitch.
00:43:28
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Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby. Let's all go to the lobby to get ourselves a treat.
00:43:39
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And we're back with another edition of what you've been watching, bitch. What you've been watching, you Thunderbolt bitch. Oh, I like that one. i was I was thinking that you might say like, might you Stormy bitch, but I like Thunderbolt bitch. That's good. Andrew, tell us, well, ah first I should say, if if you are new to this segment, which probably none of you are, but just in case, this is the segment of the show where we talk about the things that we have been watching outside of the things that we watch for this episode. So, Andrew, tell us what's the first thing that you've been watching, you lightning bolt bitch.
00:44:13
Speaker
I'm happy to report that I watched a Jury Duty Presents Company Retreat. Oh, interesting. If you remember Jury Duty couple years ago. this like the fake Jury Duty thing? Yeah, yeah. You remember great like couple years ago, at ah ah Marsden was was on it. Yes.
00:44:31
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This is so, this is the same. money to me This is the same approach. So they found somebody and they interviewed him as a temp for a company that the temp is ah his job that he is contracted for is to help run this company retreat for a hot sauce company. um And this hot sauce company, they go on this retreat every year. What you don't realize is that he's the only one that's not an actor and that everyone else around him are actors and And I, I gotta tell you, I thought the first jury duty was good.
00:45:06
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This one's great. Awesome. you I can't wait to watch it. That's all better. And I don't know how they do this, but somehow in the two years that they have done this exercise of, you know, like trying to find someone that's not in on it and do something crazy to them, um, um,
00:45:24
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I don't know how they find the most pure person to do these things, but these people are so good. And I don't know how they do this because this could easily, that you'll you'll see when you watch it, but this could easily been thrown off the tracks by a shitty person very quickly. Sure. Of course And it's only because this person actually is a good person that it goes the way it goes. And i don't want to give anything away, but like, God, you got to watch it. It's only eight episodes. It's so good. It's so heartwarming. It'll make you cry. It'll make you laugh.
00:45:58
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I loved it. That sounds like fun, Andrew. My first one, I promise I only have one rewatch on this, guys. I promise. But I did just do a rewatch of Ripley on Netflix. um It's great.
00:46:11
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ah My fellow's Italian, so I'm i'm learning an Italian more right now. i'm actually getting pretty good at it. i but I just want to add... And that's one of the things that always draws me to the story of the talented Mr. Ripley written originally by Patricia Highsmith is how he goes through Italy and just the whole Italian-ness of it.
00:46:28
Speaker
And um God, Ripley, it's just fucking good, man. It's so, so good. What a wonderful series and a complete reimagining of a tale that is very different than what Anthony Minghella did when it was Jude Law and Matt Damon and Gwyneth Paltrow. So this one you've got, uh, Oh, what's his face? Andrew Scott, Andrew Scott. Thank you.
00:46:53
Speaker
And, um, Oh, I forget the the English guy's name right now, but he's really good. He was, he was in the movie, Emma. Um, he's, he's great as Dickie Greenleaf. Um, and John Malkovich makes an appearance in this, which is cool because there's another talented Mr. Ripley, uh, film that that I think a lot of people haven't seen where he plays Ripley in that one. So that's kind of a cool blending of of the of all the different versions here.
00:47:17
Speaker
And this one is is in pure black and white. There's only one moment where there is color, and that is thanks to the cat's paw in Rome. So it's just it's a really cool story. It's it's a pernicious story. I love the way Andrew Scott is a really evil Ripley in this one. He just doesn't give a fuck about anything except getting ahead. And it's beautiful. And there's a lot of Italian in it. So if you're if you're learning Italian, it's also a great one for that. So I give that to you. If you have not yet ever seen Ripley, it is well worth it. I think this was my fourth rewatch. So you know that I love it. And you know that I get kind of obsessive about things. This is one. You? No. I know. Really? ah you would you would have You would have never guessed.
00:47:59
Speaker
i'll have to give this a I'll have to give this a second try because i I could not get into it the first time I tried watching it. Oh, I hope you do. Did did did you not finish it? No, I watched the first two episodes and I fell asleep both times. So I got to give it a shot chance. Give it a shot. get i i ah highly recommend because the the third episode on is when it starts to get exciting, really. um So i I think if you can, and maybe even just skip the first two, you've already seen them. Go from three on and the excitement starts to build.
00:48:28
Speaker
Cool. All right. Well, my next one is on Hulu. It is called Shelby Oaks. Have you heard of this at all? Not at all. Okay. So this was ah recommended to me via the internet and people I listen to. And it follows, it it kind of takes like a, um what is that?
00:48:48
Speaker
lake Lake Mungo. You remember that movie that we watched? Absolutely. it kind of It kind of takes like a dateline type approach at first. Like it's telling like a story and it's about a woman who is looking for her sister. Her sister was a YouTube ghost hunter who her her whole team disappeared eight years ago. oh wow. and um three members of that team were found dead ah like later on, but her sister was still missing. And it's kind of like her last ditch effort to find her sister.
00:49:19
Speaker
And when this started and it started in kind of like that dateline, like Lake Mungo type way, I was super into it. Like I, I really liked the way this movie starts. Then about halfway through, they kind of break that format and they go into kind of like a found footage slash, uh,
00:49:38
Speaker
ah ah an actual movie. And yeah honestly, like where it goes, i was so disappointed. I was, I was so invested in the first half of the movie. And honestly, like, i think people should still watch it because I do think the first half of the movie is very dynamic and very cool. I actually want, I want to like get ahold of this filmmaker and be like, can we just recut this and reshoot the ending? Because I don't really like where it goes, but like,
00:50:08
Speaker
i I would say check it out. It's on Hulu. Then if you have Disney plus it's Disney plus and just just watch it because I would love to hear other people's opinions on if they thought that the way it wrapped up was good or how they felt about it because I really loved the setup. I hated the finish.
00:50:29
Speaker
Oh, that sucks. Well, Andrew, my second one is Project Hail Mary. Have you heard of this one? How can you not? I go to AMC theaters. It's it's right everywhere. It's all over. um So this is one um that came from the same creators of The Martian. And it's the same author. I forget the guy's name now, but the same author who wrote The Martian. Obsessed with space. Jeez.
00:50:53
Speaker
Yeah, i know. Joking, joking. I'm joking. So like I remember seeing the... It's funny. I mentioned my ex-fiancee earlier because he's the one that I saw The Martian with years ago in the in the cinema. Yeah. I did not like The Martian at all. Just hated it. It was too jokey. I just thought it was silly. It becomes one of those things where it's just like, um it's just like problem solving. like ah The whole movie is just, I'm going to solve like 20 different like science geek problems kind of thing. But like not in the way that like Interstellar does it, in the way that like Chris Nolan can tell a story that's like deeply human and wonderful. And so the Martian, I just I just I i hated it. um Project Hail Mary is kind of like the Martian, but it definitely is an improvement upon it. It's the same sort of it is the same. So I should say like that. It is the same sort of like here's a hundred fucking problems this dude's got to solve. And that dude is Ryan Gosling.
00:51:48
Speaker
um But this one is a little more heartfelt, i I think is the word that I want to use for it. um Ryan Gosling is in it and a bunch of other people, but Sandra Huller is in it. And Sandra Huller has been in in a number of different things, but she was ah in in my brain, she sticks up most recently as being part of ah the, what is it called? The zone of silence or whatever that was, that crazy one about the Holocaust, where she plays the wife of like the Auschwitz commandant.
Critique of 'Project Hail Mary'
00:52:17
Speaker
And she's ah fucking monster in that movie. Truly. She's absolute monstrous. In this one, um she plays an interesting German scientist. um And she's she's pretty good at it. And, you know, Ryan Gosling is definitely... i mean How can you not like Ryan Gosling? Even if you don't like the movie, you're probably going to like him.
00:52:35
Speaker
he's just He's just a likable person. um And in this one, he also gets a little space buddy that is very cute. And so this movie... I think works largely because there is a cute space buddy with him. If you, if you haven't seen it, I won't tell you, I'm not really ruining anything for you. I promise. Um, but that's cute. That's the only thing I can think of to say it. This cute space buddy, Definitely keeps things moving along in the right way. It makes the story very human. And honestly, it's it's not bad. is this You know that I love space and all that kind of stuff. It's it's surprising that I don't like things like The Martian or or I'm not a huge fan of things like this. But this one I can kind of get into because there is a bit more of a human element to it. And, um, and I don't mind it. It's, it's, it's also not constantly looking for a joke.
00:53:27
Speaker
you know what I mean? That, and that's one thing about like the Martian that drove me nuts. It was like just constantly looking for fucking jokes. And I, I don't like to laugh as much as you think, you know what I mean? Like what a great soundbite about me. Like, it just like, like, come on, can we like, let's do some real things here. So I think this one, it largely succeeds. Was it my favorite movie? No. Am I glad I saw it in the cinema? Yes. Do need to see it again? Not really. But am I glad I went?
00:53:52
Speaker
Yes. There you go. Project Hail Mary. <unk>s your It's your classic um push from Hollywood to go see a movie the theater. There you go, Andrew. That was it. You know what, too? We just kind of wanted to go to the cinema and there wasn't a whole lot else to see. So we were like, yeah let's just see this one. Why not?
00:54:08
Speaker
All right, my next one just premiered on Hulu last weekend. It is Send Help. I say that every day, Andrew. Please send help. Do you know what this one is, though? I do not. So this is ah Rachel McAdams and Dylan O'Brien, which I know you love Dylan O'Brien. Love Dylan O'Brien. Ugh.
00:54:24
Speaker
um And this is a Sam Raimi movie, which I had forgot. Oh, cool. And I really wanted to see this in the theater, and it just came out at a weird time where I didn't get to the theater. And let's be honest here, things are only in the theater for like two weeks nowadays. so You better catch it. And so now that it's on um Hulu and Disney Plus, I watched it. And I got to say, ah so this this follows kind of a a woman who is in a mid-level ah company. She's mid-level in a company, and she's been promised a promotion. The boss dies. His son comes in to control the company, and he's a huge asshole. And all the people above her are huge assholes and treat her like shit. And they go on a company, ah not a retreat, ah like a business trip over to, I think they're going to China. I can't quite remember. um and their plane goes down and then her and her boss are the only people that live through the plane crash and they end up on an Island together. And let's just say the dynamics change.
00:55:28
Speaker
And that's send help. I loved it. It's definitely a Sam. It's definitely a Sam Raimi movie. There's a lot of stuff going in people's mouths. Yeah. Oh, my Lord.
00:55:40
Speaker
You know what I'm talking about. If you know a Sam Raimi movie, I think we did drag me to hell on this podcast not too long ago. And that also was a lot of shit going in people's mouths. So it sounds like the love lives of some people that I know. You know what I mean? um It just kind of spells it all out right there. You know, it ah and sounds so so sounds like a white party. You know, um yeah it's nice the way that I would explain this movie is like Sam Raimi's take on misery, but on an island.
00:56:07
Speaker
Awesome. Honestly, that right there, Andrew, that just got me to watch it. Go watch it. It's really fun. I'm very much into that. Love it. And how can you not like Rachel McAdams and Dylan O'Brien? Come on.
00:56:19
Speaker
Honestly, yeah. um I love that Dylan O'Brien. He's just so cute, isn't he? He really is. He's a cute-looking human person. You know? like he's He's cute. Anyways, my next one is Widow's Bay. um This is a 10 part and mini series right now on Apple TV Plus.
00:56:39
Speaker
I have only the threads are ah going manic about this movie yeah show. And listen, for good reason. It's really good. Now, I will say I've only watched the first episode.
00:56:49
Speaker
um i am only i I know I'm back now for a minute, but it feels like I only just got back from America. I've been traveling a lot lately and my brain is still not completely sure of where it where it is. um so I have a lot of things to catch up on is what I'm trying to say there. But I've only watched the first episode of this and I liked it a lot.
00:57:08
Speaker
I watched it with my brother actually at his house while I was staying with him. And they they describe Widow's Bay in The Guardian as mayor of Easttown, which is a show that I loved on HBO, meets Schitt's Creek in this rich, wonderful, and laugh out loud series in which a put-upon mayor tries to turn a cursed New England island into a tourist hotspot. And so it's, it's so far, it's great. Matthew Reese, who Matthew Reese is, is a great actor.
00:57:42
Speaker
He's a great actor. I love nearly everything I ever see him in. Of course, my favorite thing ever with him is the Americans. What a great show. Just what a great fucking show. Um, and so far in this one, he's really good playing Tom Loftus, who is the mayor um In that first episode, it was reminiscent of the fog. it was reminiscent of the mist.
00:58:05
Speaker
um It had, you know, sort of just that that big feel to it. it if It feels like it's also not reaching too hard for the comedy. It's sort of just like subtle and there in the same way that Schitt's Creek was. Like you just you have people who are just sort of a little bit kooky on this island.
00:58:22
Speaker
And like the show doesn't treat that as like an abnormality. It's like they just that's this is just real life, you know, in the same way that like Schitt's Creek had that sort of like um ethos a about of it. it's It's the same thing here, too. So I'm looking forward to watching the rest of it. I finally have some time next week to get that done. um And tomorrow on Sunday, I can't wait um ah because it because the first one was so good. I'm hoping that it ends as well as it has started. But yeah, that is that is Widow's Bay. You can watch it on Apple TV plus.
00:58:51
Speaker
Been hearing good things about it. All right, my next one, I have to do this away from the microphone because I can't say it any other way. Mortal Kombat! Oh my God. Whoa.
00:59:04
Speaker
Damn. boy Boy woke up and got popped up today. Damn. Yeah. Mortal Kombat 2 it in the theaters opening weekend. How can I not? My nerd little boy self would not forgive myself if I did not go see this. man And I was so happy. Was it good? It is so much fun. it is servicey in the way that like... Your 11-year-old self in the basement of your cousin's a house playing Mortal Kombat will totally appreciate it. It plays ah it So ah this is what i this is what I have to say about it is that if even if you didn't see the first Mortal Kombat, and I should say the new iteration of Mortal Kombat, the first one, you you kind of don't.
00:59:55
Speaker
because it play it plays off of a totally different angle of the story. sure um it it It makes more sense if you see the first one first, but I think that the weird the weird thing about the the trajectory of this movie is that the first one came out only to ah HBO Max during the pandemic. It didn't go to theaters. So like the fact that they banked on a second one and took it to theaters is kind of a big... ah like financial like uh maybe um and they took they pulled no punches my man it is it is fun it is stupid it is gory and it is everything you want it to be so if you ah are that if you are that 11 year old kid playing mortal combat in the basement of your cousin's basement um
01:00:42
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you got to go see it and see in the theater because it was filmed for IMAX. And I got to tell you, Maddie, there was a couple times where I was a little overwhelmed by how much was going on around me. No way. yes Because there's just, there's music, there's fighting, there's everything.
01:00:56
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i Maybe just because I haven't seen IMAX movie in a while, but like it was intense. That's awesome. I love this. And you know what? I love this for you because i because I know that you love it.
01:01:07
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And I love when the things that like we've loved for a very, very long time, when they deliver. like That's yeah such a nice thing. And i I know because i I well, you and I both know what it's like to when they don't deliver. And you're like, oh, man, oh I guess I guess to don't even like, don't even get me started. Like whoever i mean, for real, whoever did that. Yeah. You should be ashamed of yourselves for what you should always have a shovel in your hand digging your own grave. Sorry. You know what? I totally agree. And also, I'm just going to say, because I know Michael going to listen to this, Michael, you should have turned in that idea to the writers a long time ago. You should have turned in that idea, brother.
01:01:48
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i mean, Andrew, you saw the idea. You know how good it was. Was it not good? There's still a chance for Hocus Pocus 3. Listen, I'm telling you what, Michael, I know you're hearing this right now. Brother, I need you to get on it and go give it to, up i don't know, Mick Garris or whoever those people are. Give it to them. You know what to do. um Andrew, my final one is ah Life is Short, all about Martin Short
Martin Short Documentary
01:02:13
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on Netflix. Have you seen this at all yet? No, I never even heard of it.
01:02:16
Speaker
So there's a little documentary right now um all about Martin Short. Fun. Like beloved Martin Short. You know what I mean? to Think of all the stuff that he's been in over the years that, you know, everyone just kind of loves. um And so this is um this is all about him. You know, what i the reason why I watched it is because like,
01:02:35
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Um, I, I read, I, I didn't really read it, but I just saw some article recently, um, that, that was, that was about like his daughter committing suicide. And I, and I hadn't heard that. Um, but then I also hadn't heard about all the rest of the tragedy that he's been through in his life. And like when he was young, his, um, ah his brother died. And then like three weeks later, his mother died. And then like three months later, his dad died. and then like somebody else died and and it just, it like kept going. And then his wife died early and then his daughter commits suicide.
01:03:14
Speaker
ah you know And the dude is still standing. do you know And like talk about talk about resilience. you know Just really incredible resilience in the face of truly an unimaginable amount of grief. People who go through it, I just went through it, you've been through it before, people we know have... But like imagine going through that much, you know, over and over and over again. That's a lot. The fact that he has he's kept a great attitude about life that he has, know, one of his philosophies is just like, you know, one of the great things about life is laughter, like find all the different ways that you can do it, help other people do it like, you know, it's that kind of thing. is really, it's really remarkable. I think one of the greatest things about this is it brings together all the different like comedians around him. So there are these great interviews with Eugene Levy and Eugene Levy and Martin Short are best friends and with Tom Hanks and with Steve Martin and with, with Catherine O'Hara and with Andrea Martin, et cetera, et cetera, like all the great Canadian greats, you know what I mean? And American greats, for that matter. They come together to talk about him. And it's just, it's wonderful. So if you're a Steve Martin fan, you got to watch it. Not Steve Martin fan, Martin Short fan, pardon me. I mean, you know, Steve Martin too. They're kind of lumped together because of the work in the building. Yeah, right. But, you know, if you're a fan or even if you're not a fan, I think it's a lovely story about humanity. I think it was really well done. And it made me feel good when I watched it today. So give that a watch. It's called Life is Short on Netflix. It's an easy one, that one.
01:04:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'll definitely check that out. I didn't even know it existed. So thank you for bringing it to my attention. Well, that does it for what you've been watching, Mitch. Maddie brought us Ripley on Netflix, Project Hail Mary, which I believe is still in cinemas, Widow's Bay on Apple TV, and Life is Short on Netflix. And Andrew brought us Jury Duty, Company Retreat on Amazon Prime, Shelby Oaks, and Send Help, both of those on Hulu, and Mortal Kombat 2, which is in, it's in theaters now. right andrew yeah oh yeah you can go see it there go over there and maybe after you see it you can say finish him or you could say fatality or if you've got somebody with you and there's only like two bites of popcorn left you could hand it to them and say finish it like that that's i would i would do that do you know what i mean that would be me
01:05:46
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All right, well thats yeah well, we'll be right back with our first movie of the episode, Birding Bright.
01:05:59
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I'm starting a safari range. I need a scary animal. That's what the tourists pay to see. This cat, he's not scary.
01:06:14
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He's evil.
01:06:19
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In the warded. emergency shelter can think set up in king county middle of to
01:06:33
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was brought to this house
01:06:43
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support
01:06:46
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The doors were sealed. There's no way out.
01:06:54
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And its
01:07:22
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Don't keep that light under a bushel. Keep it burning bright. Andrew, tell us all about burning bright. Kelly Taylor's dreams of college are derailed when her stepfather, John, withdraws all her money to buy Bengal tiger named Lucifer for a safari ranch. When the hurricane hits, John boards up the house and then vanishes, leaving Kelly and her autistic younger brother, Tom, sealed inside with Lucifer on the loose. As the storm rages and every exit is sealed, Kelly must outwit a living apex predator while protecting a brother who cannot fully understand the danger.
01:08:02
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I'm going to leave it at that because the of the rest of this but the rest of the spoils the movie. Go ahead. Directed by Carlos Brooks, written by Christine Coyle Johnson and Julie Rue. Production and distribution handed by Sabini Films and Lionsgate. Kelly Taylor is played by Brianna Evigan. Tom Taylor is played by Charlie Tehan. John is played by Garrett Dillahunt. And Howe is played by meatloaf. No, rest in peace, meatloaf. What a great guy. This is rated PG-13. It comes in at 85 minutes. It was released ah in 2010. Straight to DVD. A lot of people never saw this movie. ah ah Locations for filming were in Florida and the budget is unavailable.
01:08:49
Speaker
Uh, Matty, is this your first time seeing Burning Bright and what were your initial thoughts? It is my first time. It's my first time seeing the other one too that we're gonna do next called Crawl. Um, and I'm not gonna blend these two together except to say that both of these movies deal with two main things. They both deal with hurricanes and they both deal with animals who lose their shit during hurricanes and, or actually don't really lose their shit. These animals get incredibly strategic and hungry. Like that's what they're Yeah, just like they're supposed to. 100%. So this movie, Andrew and I were chatting about a little bit before started recording. asked what I thought about it. And I said, you know, look, I think it was for what is very clearly a low budget B movie. Right. And I'm not saying that to be mean. That's that is just what this is. For a low budget B movie where the acting isn't always great, I'll be real, it's better than it should be.
01:09:45
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And it's better than you expect. That is for sure. I think it's actually a really good story when you think about um do you know Do you know what Lucifer means, Andrew? ah Like the beyond like the devil?
01:09:57
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Yeah. Oh, no, I don't. No, yeah. and The name Lucifer itself means bringer of light or light. There's different ways to think about it, but normally it means bringer of light. One of the classical interpretations of Lucifer is that he is like one. And if if you're thinking about this in a non-Judeo-Christian context and you're thinking about like that, that part of religion, a little but that part of like the the story a little bit more positively say, is that he is one who might illuminate or enlighten.
01:10:28
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Right. So you have a movie here about a tiger named Lucifer. Sure. So let's go with the light bringer motif. Right. Who ah is purchased by this piece of shit stepfather. um one of the worst.
01:10:44
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but he he's He's he's he's he's a murderer right off the bat. he He killed that. He killed these children's mother. They don't know what yet until the end of the film or near the end of the film. But he did. And on top of it, he buys this fucking Bengal tiger for a ah zoo park, which I mean, I guess like they live in fucking Florida. It's not that way out of the ordinary. i mean, he's he's Tiger King 10 years before Tiger King. Exactly right. so So there there is that to it. It's it's actually not that it's not that hard to believe is what we'll say here. But he has this master plan during the hurricane to ah basically board up the house, put the two kids in there, go to the bar and get wasted, and then let this tiger loose in the house so that the tiger will inevitably kill these two young people, of which he he is supposed to be caring for them. So without Lucifer, the tiger, they wouldn't know what a piece of shit this guy is. Right. So it's actually pretty genius writing. Like whoever thought, you know, we're going to call the tiger Lucifer. That is brilliant, my friend. That's actually really, really good stuff. That's so its yeah that's very interesting. It is. And like, I mean, look, it's it's a cool, I mean, it's a sad story, but it's a pretty cool thriller story, right? Like this, you've you've got a ah ah stepdad who wants to take all the money. He's already taken the money from the mom.
01:12:12
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Now he's going to get the money out of the kids from their insurance policies. How's he going to do it? ah He's going to wait for a hurricane, get a fucking tiger, and make the tiger kill them. Like that is that is crazy. Like I got stoned one night and thought about it, and here's the movie. So I really do applaud the writers, Christine Coyle-Johnson and Julie Prendiville-Rue, both women. Isn't that great? Women are brilliant writers.
01:12:36
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um Because they they really did create a story that was really interesting. Now, you know, some of the parts here, like I said, it's it's a B independent movie, right? And it's a low budget. Somehow they managed to afford Meatloaf, which is really cool. Fucking love Meatloaf. Like what a great dude. um And, that you know they did get a tiger. That's cost a lot of money. And like there had to have been an an animal trainer and there had to have been like, you know, all the different things you have to pay for if you have live animals in the movie.
01:13:03
Speaker
and well and they And they do a good job of like um not showing the tiger too much. Yeah. You know I mean? Probably because it was too expensive. you know what I mean? But like you know i I agree with you. like the um the the The struggle at hand in the story is not played out in only showing us the mean evil tiger. We have to see it all play through these human beings that go through it. And um the you know the parts that don't work as well, right, because there are those things here, are definitely, I would say, in the acting, right? And so you know you've got, ah look, and the kid, whatever his name was, Daniel Charlie Trahan, look, man, he's doing his best. He was a kid playing, playing who he was a kid who very likely does not have autism, playing a kid who has autism, and this was 2010, right? Our understanding of autism back then was a lot different. i have some I have some stuff to say about that later. Yeah. Like, I mean, you know, basically just like a kid that screams all the time and doesn't want to be touched. That's not really what autism is, man.
Autism Portrayal Critique
01:14:06
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um It can exhibit that way in some in some children with autism. Of course it can.
01:14:12
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um But I sort of disagree with the way that that was played. That is not that child actor's fault. That is the fault of the director. One million percent. So for Carlos Brooks, that is ah an X in your category, my friend. That that doesn't work so well. um Some of the other things, though, are really, if I'm being real kind of light, it's just like, you know, I just wasn't a huge fan of the acting. Like, as as good as she is in it, ah the girl who plays Kelly, Brianna Evigan,
01:14:41
Speaker
you know, she's not going to win an Oscar for this. You know what i mean? um the dad, Garrett Dillahunt, uh, who plays John kind of the same thing. um you know, there' they're just, you know, they're, they're, they're not, you know top of the pick when it comes to all this.
01:14:56
Speaker
Am I saying that they're awful? No, I'm not saying that I'm just saying maybe they could have spent a little more time making it a bit more realistic in their choices. That's all I'm trying to say there. All in all, I had a lot more fun with this movie and enjoyed it way more than I thought I was going to. That is for sure.
Surprise Enjoyment of a Film
01:15:13
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um And this is one that I actually might watch again, if I'm being honest.
01:15:19
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Yeah, so this is not my first time watching it, but it has been a very long time. I think I caught this when it went straight to DVD back in, what what did we say, 2010? And so this is one of those ones that I always encourage people to watch because I think it's criminally underseen. Like, I i do think that this is a...
01:15:39
Speaker
pretty decent movie for what it is a tiger trapped in a house during a hurricane with two kids like you say that you say that to somebody and they're like what the fuck is this movie but in the context of like what the story is trying to tell I think it it actually works pretty well and there are parts in this movie where I even watching it this time knowing the outcome of the movie where I have my anxiety was at tip top like there's Yeah, for real. there There is a moment where you are watching our main girl, Kelly. She wakes up like it's another day in the house and she's walking around and just doing her thing, like getting water and whatever.
01:16:20
Speaker
And all it it in during that moment, you're thinking to yourself, there's a fucking tiger somewhere in this house and she doesn't know it. And it is. I'm not I'm not even joking. My anxiety
Tense Scene with Tiger
01:16:31
Speaker
was so up there during that moment because I didn't remember like when she sees the tiger that I was like around every corner, like literally like, what, what?
01:16:40
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I don't know how you felt, but... Well, also, let's talk about when she does see the tiger. Like, yeah I really was... Like, it this somehow the film did a good job of, like, putting me in that place. Like, imagine that you just wake up one day and you walk down the stairs. Right. And you see a tiger in your house.
01:17:01
Speaker
A tiger. yeah and And at the same time, there's a storm outside that is very bad that you know you can't really leave. Right. Like, what are you going to do? And what was great about it is that she did exactly what I was like, well run to my room. What does she do? She runs to her room. You know what I mean? it's very Honestly, a lot of the choices that they make in this movie are like real choices. Are are the right choices as opposed to other horror films where they where they make it and you scream at the screen and you're like, why are you doing that? Not in this one. In this one, like they do things that actually make sense. Yeah. So like it's it's really well done in that way. Once again, it goes back to the writing, I really think. Like they wrote it in such a way that this actually feels kind of real. It doesn't feel all that outside of like of what could be happening in real life for real.
01:17:51
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Yeah, no, I totally agree. That was like one of the plus sides of this movie that I felt is that they actually do things that make sense. Like they actually make decisions that make sense. I will say this house has the cheapest doors in all of the land. Yes. Yes. The tiger is able to get through every door. The cheapest doors, the cheapest doors, Andrew, but they spent some money on the mattress, apparently, because that mattress stopped that Bengal tiger from getting through, you know? That's a good old nectar mattress right there. For real. Jesus. It's a sattva. It's an apostrophedic. Oh, yeah.
01:18:24
Speaker
um But yeah, overall, i I really enjoy this movie. I can definitely see like where they had to um like cut budgets and like make it for you know scraps. like there's There's moments where you know that like they did a shadow of a tiger instead of showing the tiger. or They did this because they can't really have the tiger on set for more than a day or like whatever. But I kind of don't fault it for that because... like You can only do with with what you have. And
Film's Insensitive Portrayal of Autism
01:18:51
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I think with what they have, they did something pretty great. And to layer in like this family dynamic of like an evil stepdad and a mom that um you thought committed suicide, but ultimately it's who didn't. And like the outcome of these kids that and the fact that they layered in the, um,
01:19:13
Speaker
The writing of that she is trying to go to college, but she saved up all this money to send her brother to like a, and I can't really understand exactly what he was going to, but some sort of camp or some sort of place where he can live and be taken care It just seems sort of like like full-time focused care is what it seemed like to me.
01:19:33
Speaker
um The one thing I will say about this is that it it, it, it does not depict autism well. And the one, and the one part where I had to cringe a little bit is the speech that the caseworker says to the, to the girl where she says like, people like this never change and you can throw away your entire life trying to take care of them, but they won't change. And I was like, oh that is not the mentality. that we need but but But you know what though? I mean, it's I think that, I would wonder what these writers' own experience is with sure
01:20:08
Speaker
Sure. I'm going to guess that they probably, maybe they maybe they have a little brother or someone in their life who who probably was told that before because that was sort of the prevailing um sentiment medically about people with autism because it's been such a misunderstood syndrome for for so long. um That if if if you got autism, you're just sort of fucked. and There's nothing that you can do about it. And you should put them in a home and just sort of forget that they even exist in a way. That
Key Plot Points and Character Bravery
01:20:37
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that really was the case for a very long time. It's it's ah a very sad history of of that disease.
01:20:43
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Yeah. um Another thing that I wanted to mention that's layered into the story is ah ah the meatloaf part sets up a main part of the movie. And you think it's kind of just like a throwaway scene. Meatloaf plays like the guy who sells him the tiger.
01:20:58
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And he has like a whole speech about like why the tiger is bad and why he can't be in the circus anymore and why he's selling it and why it's against his like better judgment to sell it to this guy. And he tells the story about how the tiger killed a horse, but how a horse the horse, he passed by 10 other horses to get to that horse. and because she was the pretty one.
01:21:23
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And that sets up why that sets up why the tiger goes after Kelly and doesn't go after Tom, the autistic brother. And so it's just it's a little tidbit that really does set up like a whole arc of the movie that I thought was pretty ingenious for a low budget little indie movie. First rule, doesn't never touch the cage.
01:21:44
Speaker
um Yeah, I mean, but ah if if if I were going to rate the writing of this movie, I would rate it like a like a five star kind of kind of yeah kind of business here. Like they just I think I don't know what else they've done. i should look into that.
01:21:57
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um But these are two great writers who came up with a wild idea. And really made it work, you know, made made a story with a full arc that is full of surprises, that is full of redemption.
01:22:11
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um no not redemption. That's not the right word. ah Full of bravery and courage. And like, you know, you've got here a final girl who's ah who's a pretty great final girl when you think about it.
01:22:23
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I mean, when she's hiding up in that laundry chute. Oh, my God, man. Jesus. I'm sorry, but when that tiger head the only thing that you can see at the bottom of that laundry chute, it is insane. It truly is. So, yeah, I mean, like,
Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich Debate
01:22:40
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once – actually, I'm going improve my score on this movie now. I've just decided. Yeah.
01:22:45
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but i I thoroughly enjoyed it. it and Chances are you haven't seen this if you're listening. i agree You should watch it. we we we did We gave you the end. Yeah, I get that. But like go watch it anyway. You're going to enjoy it. It's ah it' a it's it's really good. And like I said, there's not a there's it's not often that I want to watch some of these again. This is one that I actually do want to watch again.
01:23:05
Speaker
Cool. A couple of things that I had that are to start in my notes. um The way that this woman makes a peanut butter and jelly is insane. know. Because she puts peanut butter and then she scoops jelly on top of the peanut butter. I don't know about you, but when I make my peanut butter jelly, I put jelly on one side, peanut butter on the other side, and then I put them together. Oh, I i do it. I put it on top.
01:23:28
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Oh, I do. It's controversial, controversial opinions. Yeah. Do you know what?
Film Inconsistencies
01:23:33
Speaker
You know what else I do? this is, this is controversial. I use a spoon for both elements. So I use a spoon but and I use a spoon for the fucking, you know, jam or whatever it might be. I do. And Andrew, I'll tell you what, it works really well. It does. I love using that. That's too much wasted peanut butter on the spoon. I love it so much though. I really do.
01:23:55
Speaker
I know some other things um it so i don't know if this struck you but the the the whole movie takes place over like two days and when and when Kelly wakes up I think our alarm clock says something like 6 11 or 6 22 a.m. And then about an hour later, in in my mind, in the movie, we cut to her dad and the whole town at a bar at 730 in the morning during a hurricane. like is Is this real? Is this what Southern people do when a hurricane happens? Is it just party all the time? Hurricane? We're going down.
01:24:35
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ah Please let me know if you live in Southern states. ah Um, what was that? Oh, uh, one thing that I thought was really ingenious in the writing is playing off of the brother sister and, you know, us both having annoying brothers and you sisters, um, is there's a moment where, um, you know, the, the, the,
01:24:56
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Tom, he has a thing where he doesn't like to be touched. And when he gets touched, he's like, no touch, no touch. And there's a funny part where she's trying to guide him around the house and she grabs him by the shirt and he's like, no touch, no touch. And she just goes, I'm not touching you. I'm touching your shirt. And like, that's I'm like, that is such like a brother sister thing right there. Totally. I don't know if you ever did this, but I used to do this really annoying thing and I will, I will come clean about it as I used to go right up to my brother and I would put my finger so close to his forehead. Oh yeah. I would say, and I would say, not touching. You can't get me. Oh yeah. We did. I'm not touching I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you. I'm not touching you.
01:25:31
Speaker
And so that just played off of that, which I thought was really, really funny. And a little thing in the writing that i thought was kind of ingenious. um I did think there is like a funny thing and we'll talk more about this in our next movie, but there's a MacGuffin's freezer that comes into this like ah later in the movie because she's running through the house and she's trying to find the stepdad early in the movie. um And obviously he's bought like the tiger, he's bought a new truck and then he's bought a freezer.
01:26:01
Speaker
And you you have to, you have to, in the writing, say that there's a new freezer in order for you to justify them getting in it later in the movie. But it's just so funny that she's walking around. She's like, where'd this freezer come from? And I was like, well, that's not going to come into it. um Which I just, I just think little things like that. And we'll talk more about it and crawl because it's even more apparent and crawl when they do this. But, and um and
Real Tiger vs CGI and Thematic Interpretations
01:26:24
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I would say too, one thing we, we didn't mention yet too, is look, it's a really great end for the dad.
01:26:30
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you know like oh yeah when he gets pounced for the stepdad um it's so satisfying it's very satisfying it's it's it's nearly equally as satisfying as the end of weapons right yeah because it's it is a villain who deserves to be absolutely fucking torn to pieces and in this case he does so congratulations everybody you win Any fun trivia in this that you want to tell us? ah Yeah, the film used a real live tiger rather than CGI. We mentioned this earlier, but it's really important. ah The title, they think, is all is almost certainly drawn from William Blake's poem, Tiger, Tiger.
01:27:09
Speaker
you've never heard that one, it goes tiger, tiger, burning bright. I'm not quite as sure about this, but one reviewer on IMDb noted that ah Blake's poem raises the question of how God can create both beautiful and destructive things simultaneously.
01:27:23
Speaker
also touches on evil in its many forms, which the film presents in three configurations, nature's evil, mankind's evil, and the animal kingdom's evil. I'm not as big on that interpretation, if I'm being honest. I i like, but not to be selfish, I like my own. ah Thinking about the whole Lucifer thing, and it being a light bringer. Look, what these kids go through is terrible, but the illumination provided by the tiger um is is one that's needed in order for them to transform and in order for that evil piece of shit to be killed. So and it ultimately brings them together and it is highlighted by them holding hands at the end. Agreed. Agreed. So there's that.
01:28:02
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Andrew, tell me, what did you rate Burning Bright? I'm pretty high on this one. I gave it a five and a half. I said it's anxiety invoking and some had some good twists and turns. And with a slim budget, they really did pull off a lot.
01:28:17
Speaker
Awesome. For me, I had originally given it a four and a half. I gave it a five after our discussion. And I said, surprisingly touching. And then I said, dad needs to die, which he does. so that's And he does. Gets his guts ripped out by a tiger. Spoiler alert. Yeah. So folks, that is it for Burning Bright. Stay tuned. We'll back with our second film of the episode, Crawl.
01:28:41
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The state of Florida has issue issued a Category 5 hurricane warning.
01:28:47
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All residents must evacuate immediately. Grab your families, your loved ones, and get out.
01:28:56
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We won't be able to come for you. Dad! Dad!
01:29:12
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Oh my God. What happened?
01:29:24
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are you hurt? I'm fine. Hello, can anybody hear me? I'm trapped in my father in a house in Coral Lake.
01:29:38
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Coral Lake! Please send help. Hayley!
01:29:45
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Pete, hear that?
01:29:48
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In less than an hour, we'll be underwater.
01:29:53
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Banging on the pipes blurs their sensors. I can distract them for you.
01:30:00
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You got this!
01:30:08
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You need to go now. I'm not leaving you here.
01:30:24
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Come on, you son of a bitch!
01:30:44
Speaker
I'm not running towards our next movie. I'm not even walking towards our next movie, but I am crawling towards our next movie. Maddie, tell us all about Crawl. When Category 5 Hurricane Wendy bears down on Florida, competitive university swimmer Haley Keller defies evacuation orders to find her estranged father, Dave. She locates him gravely injured in the crawl space of their old family home, now rapidly flooding and invaded by a nest of massive alligators.
01:31:18
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Trapped below ground and rising water with a predator that has no interest in negotiating, Haley and Dave must fight their way out using her swimming ability, their fractured bond, and whatever they can find in the dark before the storm, the water, or the gators finish the job. God, who wrote that? ah k Crawl is directed by Alexandra ah Asia. Is that how you say his name, Asia? i think it's A-Ha.
01:31:44
Speaker
A-Ha, something like that. i don't know. ah Written by Michael and Sean Rasmussen. Produced by Ghost House Pictures. That's Sam Raimi, by the way. And distributed by Paramount Pictures. Haley played by Kaya Scodelario. Nostradamus. Dave played by Barry Pepper.
01:32:00
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Beth played by Morfeth Creek. Wayne played by Ross Anderson. Pete by Jose Palma. And Sugar the Dog played by Chocho. ah The film is rated R. It was 87 minutes long. Released July 27th of 2019. The budget is $13.5 million. It grossed about $92 million worldwide. It was filmed in Tampa Bay for some of the exteriors. but it was mostly filmed in the port of Belgrade, Serbia. Now, I didn't know that when I watched it, just a little thing here, but I happened to sort of like keep watching as the credits rolled. And before I knew it took place in Serbia, ah as somebody with a Balkan name, a Balkan surname, all of a sudden there were all of these itches and vitches and ditches and itches. And I was like, how was this even, I was like, they had to filmed this in Serbia. It's gotta be Serbia. And sure enough, it was filmed in Belgrade, Serbia.
01:32:55
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So look, that was my first time watching it. um Another movie about hurricanes, another movie about wild animals, and and another movie about a final girl. There you go. um and And a relationship with a father figure. that There's a lot of commonalities here, aren't there? Andrew, ah tell us what you thought about Crawl.
01:33:13
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Yeah, I saw this in the theater when it came out and I have not seen it since. So this was like my my first rewatch of the movie. And ultimately, like I have fun with this movie, but I have a lot more nitpicky things than I thought initially. And we'll get into some of those in a little bit. yeah But ah overall, I think that...
01:33:34
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I think this one is better at the action, but worse at the writing, if that makes any sense. Yeah, I would agree with you. and And we'll talk about it when we get into it. But like i like the i like our two main characters. I love that little sugar-to-doggy. Very cute. And I think that this is ah it's a fun... it is like a This is like a romp movie. like it's It's not meant to be like taken too seriously. It's more meant to be like... You don't think I I mean, we'll get into it. i think that's interesting. I think that they try to infuse some stuff in here. It doesn't work for me as well. um And we'll talk about it in a little bit. But overall, I still have a ton of fun of this movie. I think the action is great. And I think like, Jesus fucking Christ, if you can get out of this situation. You have deserve to be taken care of for the rest of your life with no with no worries at all because this is like the worst of the worst situation yeah that could ever happen to somebody. But that's that' one of my initial thoughts. We'll get into some of my discernments in a little bit.
01:34:40
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ah But Maddie, what did you think upon a first time watch for this? Yeah, you know, it's, um these are two films that I would never be drawn to. I'm not really, it's funny when I say these things because I'm like, well, maybe you should just check more of it out. um Which I'm sure somebody listening is like, well, Matty, maybe we should just check more of it out. Maybe if you're like these, you should check more of them out. Right. Well, exactly.
01:35:01
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ah but but But it's just like, just just who I am. I'm i'm just not drawn to to these types of things. I'm just not. um I'm drawn to the more depressing things, as you well know, Andrew. Oh, a man getting his arm ripped off by an alligator is not depressing enough for you? Not not enough, if I'm being honest. um So yeah yeah, I think I agree with you and in most respects. I think this movie is also better at the acting. i think the acting is yeah it's just better. These are just better actors. Um, that is not ah ah you know, some sort of like character judgment, uh, on the, on these human beings, but yeah, they just, they're better actors. Um, I think the Berry Pepper, but Berry Pepper, I think usually does a good job if I'm being honest. Um, and this, uh, this Kaya Scodelario, I don't know anything else about her, but I think she did really great. The dog was really good. Um, and yeah, you know, I, I agree with you that, uh, if you can make it out of this insane,
01:35:54
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crazy, as it says here, nest of alligators trying to eat you and everyone else around you. Um, you do deserve whatever you need for the rest of your life kind of thing. Um, what I don't like about this movie is the CGI, not a fan of it. You know, how, how,
01:36:11
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I don't know how else you could possibly do this without CGI. Like it's fucking it's alligators. It's not. but it's But it is kind of insane that this came out in 2019 and the CGI is still that egregious. Yeah, it's it's it's not very good CGI. And it's and right the problem is that it's not very good CGI from the get go. Like as soon as that alligator like as soon as you see the alligator, I was like, oh, no. As soon as it burst through the stairs. yeah Yeah. It's just, it's not good. And I don't understand why with Sam Raimi attached to this, that wasn't like that wasn't taken care of in a better way. That wasn't prioritized, yeah. There wasn't more money put on that. I don't know. I mean, they must have spent an awful lot of money just like on the sets and everything else.
01:36:56
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But then again, they were in Serbia for a lot of the interior, for all the interior stuff. And it only takes place in like two places. So it's not like there was a lot of interiors to do. And like, look, I love Croatia, but like it it ain't no one going to Serbia for the fun. do you know what i mean? So like they went Serbia because it was going to be cheap to film it there. That's the reason why they went. So like it's interesting that that even then saving all that money on that, they still didn't have enough money.
01:37:24
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um I do know from the production notes that to simulate CGI alligators scenes used Serbian stuntmen in green spandex suits. ah Divers recreating alligator movements underwater. The director holding a pole attached to a pillow wrapped in green fabric and actors reacting to fake alligator heads on sticks. so I kind of want to see that cut. I know. Right. But I mean, so, you know, knowing all of that, if we're being honest, that's pretty fucking good acting. Like imagine having to react to that. Yeah, totally. Same bullshit. Like that's, that's very weird.
01:37:58
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So, um, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah. I, I, I enjoyed this one. I, I, yet another one that I was actually like pretty surprised that I was going to like, um, there is a sequel that was announced, um, with Sam Raimi and, um, who's the person?
01:38:13
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um Last name was Flores. I can't remember who that is. ah but But it's Raimi is producing the next one for for for whatever it is. So there will be a crawl too. That was announced in August of 2024. Whether it's still happening, I don't know. But that that was announced before.
01:38:29
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um I think it's a good story between father and daughter, you know, ah with with an added element of he was her coach before and all that kind of stuff. i you know you You clearly learn here that he was obviously too hard on her and all that kind of stuff and you know the breakdown of the marriage and blah, blah, blah, blah. So there's a lot of sort of obvious things there that that they rely on. But I think the obvious things generally work.
01:38:51
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um Which one did I like better out of these two films? I got to say Burning Bright, if I'm being honest. I did. i think that the story in that one just, it just, it just wins the day. It's such a good story. um ah Some parts of this were interesting too. Like when, when you know, what we can say the word looters here because they literally are looting in this case. Yeah, they're stealing an Yeah. Yeah, right. When the looters come, you know, to like the the gas station across the street from the house and they, you know, they see that maybe there might be people in the house over there and then they all get attacked by alligators. That was pretty crazy. I liked that they subverted your attention away from the woman on the boat and then she's the one that gets attacked first. I thought that was pretty good. It was well done. You know, it's sad and that there are a lot of people in this that just don't need to be killed that get killed. But hey, that's horror. And, um you know, what a, again here, what a what a final girl, you know. It's pretty amazing that she survives this. And they both get fucking torn apart in this movie.
01:39:58
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I mean, like i that maybe the only like unrealistic thing here is that her dad, Dave, um like if it comes out as well as he does, he has a broken leg and no arm and still can do this. Yeah. Like, I mean, like that's, that's kind of crazy. But in in in general, though, this, this was, this was a good movie. I'm, I'm gotta be watching it for this. Yeah, it's it's just interesting because it clearly shows that he has such a broken leg that the bone is sticking through his skin, but he still can't put weight up but he can still put weight on it. It's kind of insane.
01:40:32
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It's crazy stuff. so no ah so So I want to just allude to like why I think some of the writing is a little bit lazy in this movie is... There are parts where you are having a conversation between the two main characters and then it immediately pays off. It's, it's, there's ah the most egregious use of this is there's a moment where they're talking about her, her not being able to hold her breath across the pool and her sister can. And that's what like, and then he wakes up in the middle of the night and she's working on it. And that's when I knew you were fighter and dah, dah, dah, dah. And then a literally the next, series trying to hold her breath going underwater to escape the alligators and i was like come on like it's a little bit like oh out out there um some things about this is ah this movie is so florida like there is a moment where i realized that she's walking into this dirt basement with nothing but flip-flops yes what the fuck are you doing And as soon as she gets down there, she gets on her knees right away. And I told Manuel, I was like, why is she getting on her knees? You just crouch. What is she doing? Is this why it's called crawl? Is this why it's called crawl? Is this why?
01:41:48
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Jesus. um and And there's a funny part, too. That's blinking. You'll miss it. But they're over the radio when she's driving down to her dad. There's a moment where the two radio hosts are saying, you know, we're having to tell people not to shoot guns into the hurricane.
01:42:04
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like Which that was pretty funny. I got to admit that that was funny. um I thought there's a very interesting thing in this movie that they don't ever um resolve is that everyone is obsessed with her sister.
01:42:17
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I don't know if you picked up on that. But tell me more about that. Well, ah so we, you know, we call her sister at the beginning of the movie and she's the one that it convinces her to go down to her dad. And then we stop at the police barrier where she, you know, has to go around. And her ex-boyfriend Wayne is like, oh, tell your sister I said hello. And then when she, when she actually wakes up her dad, the first word he says is Beth.
01:42:42
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Beth, is that you? And she's like, no, it's me. And I was just like, what is this obsession with his sister? And then it kind of never pays off. like That doesn't pay off. It's just her sister on the phone with the baby. You know what i mean? So I wonder if there's a extra storyline there. where knew There must have been.
01:43:02
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where she is like, ah feels like neglected or or like doesn't feel as good as her sister because she maybe is in college and her sister already has a kid. I don't know. There's something there that I couldn't quite put together, but it really bothered me.
01:43:17
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um And then a couple of other things. so So there's a part in the movie where the two cops show up, Wayne and his partner. And I will say his partner gets one of the worst deaths because he's just absolutely destroyed by like...
01:43:35
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And we don't ever get to that character. undeserved That's what I mean. We don't ever get to know that character. like And there's there's a part where he becomes obsessed with a swing that's like, like that's underwater and like pulled to one angle. So it's like it's being pulled by something. Yeah. i was like,
01:43:53
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I was like, dude, we're in a hurricane. Why do you fucking care about the damn swing? Like, just get in the boat, do your job and get out of here. Like, what are we doing? So there's a couple of moments like that. And there's also that moment where Wayne gets like, it's really, really funny because like, this is one of those movies where it's like, is the dog going to die? Is the dog going to die? Is the dog going to Yeah. And there's many parts where the dog is hanging over crawl space and he's barking down there. But then as soon as Wayne is doing the same thing, the alligator comes up and bites him and drags him down and kills him. And I was like, why is that not the... I don't want the dog to die. I'm very happy that the dog lives. He looks absolutely devastated at the end of the movie when he's sitting on that roof. I can only think that that dog actor who's probably now not with us anymore is just... very very sad sweet sugar but um there's just like little things in this where think that the writing is a little bit lazy think that her being like a swimmer and like the um i'm an apex predator like that's what her dad's been saying to her since she was very young is kind of just a little bit silly but maybe that's corny yeah it's corny. Maybe that's like the Sam Raimi effect because he tends to be a little bit corny. Sam Raimi is corny. It's the truth. But it never goes like that far as like Sam Raimi. So it's kind of just like under the surface of the writing. I think that overall that like this is a fun movie. This I think this is like you said earlier like this is a kind of one and done movie for me. Like I watch this I absorb it and then I move on. You know I mean, it is interesting to see how both films are really similar in ways we've already talked about. Like, there's a lot of hurricane.
01:45:44
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ahead. Even in both movies, the cell phone is destroyed by the creature, like, in the same way. i mean, so there's so many things that are the same. It's it's the angles that they each go about them, that that that they each go about telling the story and examining it that that are really interesting. And so you've got in Burning Bright a way more like human focused kind of thing. And then in ah Crawl, it's way more just about like nature. Like it's, yeah you know, it's, it's the first one is about an evil dad that the second one is about, Hey, alligators are hungry. Like that's, that's basically it. And so it's, it is interesting how, despite all the similarities, it's, it's about siblings. It's about, it's about, father-daughter kind of stuff. It's about a hurricane. It's about wild animals that, that they, they each take their own sort of like pathway to get there. So, I mean, you know, we, we've been doing this for a long time. Every now and then we have two films that are really closely related, but that's pretty rare. If you think about it, Andrew, like they're related, they're related to our theme. But I don't think we've ever had films where they are as closely related as these.
01:46:55
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don't know. It's kind of crazy. and It's wild. And you can only understand that by watching them back to back. that you ah Truly, which which is basically what i I had to rewatch one of them this morning, but I watched them back to back yesterday. um and I had to I had to stop crawl because i just I had a friend come over. It's long story. um But like coming back to it, i was like, wow, yeah, these are fucking like the same movie almost. Just once again,
01:47:19
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just going in slightly different directions that give you different outcomes. um And they're both really exciting. Like, yeah um i you know, once again, it's fun. And I hope this happens for our listeners too, because I know it happens for you, Andrew. I know it happens for me. By doing this podcast, we watch films we wouldn't have otherwise watched.
01:47:39
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Because just like I said earlier, my brain doesn't go to these. it It doesn't go to Creature Feature. My brain goes to Hereditary. My brain goes to Midsommar. It goes to like that kind of shit. um Your brain goes to different places.
01:47:52
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And like, you know, now I've gotten to watch these two. And I'm like, oh, you know what? Those were two movies I did not mind watching. How fun. Yeah. um A couple of things in this one that I had starred in my notes. I think that this movie is very, it's very well shot. Like all of the stuff. It is. It's very well done. really is.
01:48:12
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um There's specifically ah a moment. sheers Cheers to the crew in Serbia. For real. Yeah. Amazing stuff. There is a moment where she is trying to fight off an all like an alligator in the bathroom towards the end of the movie. And there's an overhead shot of her in the shower and the and the alligator in like the bathroom part. and how she And how she maneuvers to get that alligator to go into the shower. And she jumps over the top and then traps it in the...
01:48:40
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I thought that that was like highlight of the movie for me where she steps on the soap soap tray gets out there and then goes around. Fuck you alligator shuts the door really well done. So I have to give like a little bit of ah kudos to the the shots in this movie. You, you, you did stay for the credits a little bit, right?
01:49:00
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ah Well, no, because I was very offended that a very serious movie ended with see later, alligator. After a while, crocodile. That's what I was going to go to is that were you there long enough to hear see you later, alligator?
01:49:16
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And then I immediately said fuck you and turned it on. I thought that was a very interesting choice to have at the end of it. was so mad. I was kind of like, is this for real right now? if You're really playing this song right now? i was I'm not even joking you. That's what led me to not leaving the credits on. it was, it was, wow. That is a serious choice, whoever whoever put that on there. And one other thing is I want to say this girl needs to watch some YouTube videos about how to do compressions because this girl does not know how to do compressions. Girl, get what the fuck are you doing? Get in the life-saving mode. Andrew, what did you rate crawl?
01:49:59
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So after our discussion, um i think I'm going to give it a four and a half. I like the movie. um I said, man, talk about a movie where literally everything goes wrong. A little goofy in parts, but still a fun time.
01:50:13
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Awesome. I gave it the same score, four and a half, which is a good score. And I said, ah may but I've already said this a few times. I guess hurricanes really bring out the worst in animals, huh? um So look, folks, that does it for the films in this episode, in episode 162.
01:50:29
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But look, we're not quite done yet because, as always, we always end the show with some goofy little crazy little game that Andrew made up. And this game today, Andrew, is called Storm Warning.
01:50:42
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so we'll be right back with Storm Warning. Oh, my gosh, a destructive and dangerous tornado. I'm going to run towards it
01:50:53
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Well, folks, that was episode 162 of Froggy the 13th Horror Podcast. But before we let you go, as always, we have a game that Andrew has lovingly created. And today's game is called Storm Warning. There's an exclamation point at the end, so you have to say it that way. Andrew, tell us all about Storm Warning.
01:51:12
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All right. I'm going to read you a synopsis and you have to tell me whether you think that's a real storm history ah story or a horror movie plot.
01:51:24
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Okay, sure. All right. Here's your first one. A man survives multiple lightning strikes throughout his life. And even after he dies, lightning strikes his grave.
01:51:36
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That sounds real to me, actually, in a weird way. That is a real story based on real-life lightning victim Roy Sullivan. Damn, Roy. Crazy.
01:51:48
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lucky um Lucky man? Question mark? Like, what the fuck, dude? Jesus, my God. all right, the next one. a storm dumps live frogs onto an entire town after a violent weather event.
01:52:02
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A movie. Technically, this can be both, but it is a real phenomenon that is caused by water spouts. But if you saw the movie in the 90s called, i can't remember what it's called. Well, there's there's Magnolia.
01:52:19
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Magnolia. That's when I was thinking of. Yeah, Magnolia. God, i I used to love that movie. I used to think like... Oh, I was such a little freak that thought that that was like the pinnacle of film. 100% me.
01:52:30
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The same. Because like that that came out like right when I went to college. And I would like bring people into my dorm and I'd be like, wait until you fucking see this fucking movie, man. like Get ready for this fucking movie. And then we'd sit there for like three fucking hours watching this thing and we're all like...
01:52:46
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stoned and drunk we're like what the fuck did we just watch you know crazy stupid crazy movie all right your next one residents claim tornado sirens begin whispering people's name before a deadly storm hits oh man i want this to be real is it real please say it's real that is a horror movie plot fuck what is it which which movie i didn't I didn't put these in here, so i don't ask me those questions. Oh, fuck. You can look at them. Get AI, hurry. Claude, what is it?
01:53:17
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All right, your next one. People accused of witchcraft were blamed for violent storms, failed crops, and shipwrecks. That's real life. That is real life, and that comes from your good old country right next door. England. As usual, the Brits fuck something else up. There you go.
01:53:38
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All right. um Let's see here. ah um I've got two more for you. yeah People throughout history have reported glowing floating orbs entering homes during storms.
01:53:52
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That seems real to me. That is real. It's a weird phenomenon called a ball lightning. Yeah. Yes. Yes. I've heard of this. All right. you it got ah Did I say two more? Yeah, two more. Yes. All right.
01:54:05
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During a Category 5 hurricane evacuation, emergency radio broadcasts begin giving impossible instructions instructions from voices placing to be from inside the storm.
01:54:17
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Movie? That is a movie plot. And then your final one. Storm chasers discover a tornado that appears hollow inside, and there may be something living in its movie within its moving parts. Movie.
01:54:33
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That's a movie. That's pretty easy one to add down. yeah but that is storm warning you know actually some fun movie plots for people to look up i'll tell you what else we didn't talk about twister once during this and um i'm gonna watch movies of our time truly i'm i'm gonna watch twister this weekend because i and it's a great time to watch it too in the year i feel like and what a movie and i'm probably gonna cry while i watch it because i love and maybe watch the first 15 minutes of twisters and then turn it off Yeah. Twisters, what a letdown.
01:55:02
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What an absolute letdown. starts so great. It starts so great. Great start. But can we just go back to saying like there is no reason why that shouldn't have been like the kids of them together. Like they get married. Yeah. And where's Helen Hunt? Where is she? It's absolutely ridiculous that she's not there. Like, it's just so many missed opportunities with that film. A real problem. Anyways, folks, that does do it for episode 162 of our Little Tiny Podcast. We are a little tiny podcast that is proudly independent, my friends. And once again, you just heard about ah two hours-ish or even more of content for free, my dude. No ads.
01:55:43
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01:56:22
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01:56:54
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So I'm not opposed to people making the money that they need to like keep their project going or or whatever or to pay the people that work on it or, you know, whatever the case might interruption on audio is so daunting.
01:57:05
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it like it's like It's like one of the things but we're really getting into it now. Here's a whole other segment of the podcast. Sorry, folks. But like one of the podcasts I used to love called Spooked on NPR. I hardly listen to it anymore.
01:57:16
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01:58:14
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Yes, we do have a new patron, Nathan Buck. Thank you so much for donating dollar a month. We truly, truly appreciate it. And um you're you're you you sent us a message on Instagram and...
01:58:27
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01:59:16
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