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153: What Possessed You To Pussy Riot? *AUDIO FIXED**
60 Plays11 months ago
Let's just assume me and my computer are possessed/cursed/a hot mess express and move on to this refurbished episode! Seriously how many planets are in retrograde, guys, cause our stuff is all falling apart. Or maybe I was stress-editing and some things got mislabeled, anything is possible!
Apparently the first time around it was audio all Alanna, all the time, and Kelsey's track ghosted into the ether. Apologies for that cringy mess, and always appreciate the heads up when stuff goes tits-up! So let's talk some badass band bitches from Russia with love! You guys are the best, we love y'all and keep it cryptic, but not so cryptic you have to guess what half the episode is about!! :P
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Theme
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Darkcast Network. Indie Pods with the Dark Side.
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papa Welcome back to Castles and Cryptids, where the castles are haunted and the cryptids are cryptic as fuck.
Meet the Hosts
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And we're your hosts, I'm Alanna. I'm Kelsey. And Gordo is here, the silent cat partner, as always. But for how long? But for how long, we shall see.
Previous Episode Recap & Recording Challenges
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um I, if you guys listened to last week's, uh, you're welcome. It's wonderful. And I'm sorry. I left you on a cliffhanger. I will wrap that up just to make sure you guys know, um, who ended up in whose body, uh, I feel like it's been forever since we literally recorded that one. I don't even know. i I had to ask you what your case was so I could do the show. And over, it's been at least a week, maybe longer.
00:01:23
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yeah yeah we recorded it we were trying to get ahead of things we recorded ahead of schedule and you know we were on break and so now we're back and we're trying to keep it all up for you guys we're trying yeah it's it's hard it's hard like this i just don't know what an episode i'm talking about sometimes going on like wait when did that happen
00:01:54
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You're so distracting buddy. He just started this immediately. Okay, bye. but That was like, if you guys could see him, that's what he's saying. As an aside, when we were recording with the collab and I was like, I'm ready. And they're like ready. And it's like, And then I was like, okay. And then it's like, I started talking. I was like, Oh, she has to do the intro where I thought that was like, uh, prerecorded every time. Cause it sounds so good. I just started talking over it. I was like, Oh my God, I'm an asshole.
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It's hard. Yeah. It is when you're awkward like me. Um, me.
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too funny.
Holiday Reflections and Fireworks Safety
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Well, we are back. We survived Canada Day. Hope all you Americans had a good Independence Day. Nobody blew their hands off with fireworks, which is something we don't always seem to struggle with as much here, although my mom's been known to let off a few small fireworks bought from the store, you know, in her because she kind of lives out in the country. like That's where you can do that here. We have different safety things for fireworks than they do in a America. No offense, so our neighbor to the south. But their dogs are always terrified. Everyone's like, keep your pets inside and keep them calm. Yeah, it can be very triggering for certain people and dogs and
Pet Socialization Stories
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stuff. Apparently. But I don't know. We didn't do too much.
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uh so there was nothing nothing scares my dog he just gets scared at little tiny sounds and then he barks at nothing as you know yeah he gets used to me he does okay it's everybody else he hates i'm his I'm his favorite non-family person, you know, and we did social, you are, you are. And he did get some pretty good socialization in the last couple of weekends. I was pretty happy with him eventually. Cause, uh, yeah, that's good. When we had some people over the weekend before you were here last weekend, um, he was barky at first. And then like I said, I had to be like,
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and Okay, we really gotta put the kibosh on this because the one guy Mark was like, no, I literally have a perforated eardrum right now. I'm just gonna dip out from when he's barking around me. I'm like, I'm just gonna pull him away because yeah, we we recognize he's a dick because he's not been socialized a lot. um And then like, we all went up to have a fire and eventually that's when he was just like, finally, you know, he's laying on the ground and he's happy because every time we start to bark I would bring him outside or if he was outside and we started to bark I'd bring him inside like that's just our usual thing with him where you were like you bark you're coming in you dickhead you get relocated exactly but he likes to bark at people when they relocate within the house you move floors where my mom gets up to pee in the middle of the night when she's staying here and he's like yeah he did that to me
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He's just like, I'm startled.
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Oh my gosh. Write us in about your, um, startled pets. and ah Yeah. What's their weird, uh, like their weird personality trait. Yeah. Their quirk. Oh my God. I was editing and it was like, how many times I try to say party trick and i like said like, it's your party game. left
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come on
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I left and there was a lot of Gordo stuff in my segment um that I think people who will enjoy. I normally, when we normally, I don't think would leave that much in, but I was like, ah. it it It was okay. I cut down some of the silences. I'm telling you. Other than that, I left most of it in. It was kind of funny. Yeah, I feel the same way. I do. I do. But I love a good outtake. So I don't know if that's just me. I was listening to a podcast today and I heard a dog bark in the background and they just kept going. It's like, whatever, shit happens. Yeah, this was...
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I think you even reprimanded him from the other side. I know. I talked to him like he can hear me. Yeah. a Yeah, there was a couple of things I can't quite remember, but I thought they were funny. I was like, I have to leave this whole thing in now.
Possessions Recap
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well So last week, yeah, we did talk about the possessions, big and small. Yeah. I've never I just told you I can hardly remember because it's been a while. But I talked about the ones where two girls almost switched bodies in a way it was kind of Yeah, yeah, it's kind of nuts the way the one they're both experiencing medical or mental illnesses of some kind with some sort of seizure like and you know, symptoms and
00:07:28
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randomly they could both seem to like read a passage in any book that was not visible to them like if they were blindfolded or whatnot that was the one that was just like that's very strange and specific um but then uh kind of where i remember we left off was that it was like um mary roff who had died and was supposedly embodying Laurence's body was like, she will be here, I'll be allowed to be here for like 10 months, and then I'll be gone. And Laurence will be healed and she will be back. And that's what she said, which is weird. Yeah, it's so specific. And it's so like, but we've been watching a lot of Supernatural isn't allowed to be
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She went and talked to the angels like Castiel would do. And she was like, this is what they told me. Yeah, they're kind of dicks sometimes. I don't know what to tell you. um But yeah, I kind of alluded to we do a part two or something. It's not really part two. It's more like a part point to five ah because we just I just kind of left it there and didn't really like say what happened at the end. um Yeah. I try to do the balances on podcasts, do the long form and other ones will tell it to you in, you know, 40 minutes or whatever. And they're both good. But, yeah um, yeah, it was weird how when Mary Roth was in Lorenz's body, she could recognize her parents, Mary's parents, but not recognize Lorenz's parents.
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She was able to talk about things only Mary and her family should know. So for 10 months, she basically just lived as Mary, visiting friends and spending time with a family that she'd missed since she had been in the spirit world, I guess, for lack of a better word.
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And it was interesting to find out that the rofs themselves were spiritualists or identified as spiritualists, but maybe a little bit more common at the time. um Yeah, so a lot of like an astonishing legends where they talked about kind of what the cause could be and maybe different factors. They were like, I'm certain they were happy to believe it was their daughter, which is something that's worth mentioning, I guess, because you could get a confirmation bias where because you want it to be your daughter, you're going to make all her answers kind of line up with your daughter.
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willing to overlook wrong answers or inconsistency. Yes, exactly. I think so. you're You're maybe not completely unbiased for sure.
Mary Roff and Lorancy Vennum's Possession
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um But ah whatever, we're all emotional and act much more emotionally than I think we know. um But yeah she yeah, they had probably felt guilty for the way they had unfortunately had to put her into an insane asylum insane asylum you know and in Illinois. and wouldn't get her back but then they did get her back for that lovely amount of time which is just like yeah I think what makes it such a compelling story and then like even people of that time were like I just want to believe basically like um but yeah definitely the treatments whether we do in places like the asylums included things like water treatment which sounds
00:11:01
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is not bubble bath. Innocent, yeah. No, it's it's probably hot and cold, like things to shock your system. Exactly. Scalding hot, ice cold, not like the nice, you know, getting a hot tub and then like, you know, go roll around at the snow or get in the sun and then do an ice shower. It's more like torturous. Yeah, you are exactly right. Yeah. um And I remember they said she was ah suffering so badly that she would try to leech herself, you know do her own treatments or whatever the doctors weren't doing and to try and relieve her own pain and suffering.
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um I don't know, because I talked about most of her time in Laurence's body before, but I didn't think I mentioned she made she predicted when Mary's brother would get ill. before it happened. So I was just living there and was like, you're gonna get like really sick tomorrow, brah. And stay at home at bed, in bed. And so he did get really gravely ill. And they were like, holy shit, well, good, stay home. yeah um And just different weird stuff like that. And then just the way she kind of knew Mary one day says, yes, she'll have to go soon.
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um she knows her time with her family is limited on this mortal plane um and shortly after that happened lorancy surfaced briefly back into her own body and was confused disoriented like she kind of woke back up in the roth home and was like what am i doing here i've never been here before so damn yeah and i think oh yeah after that was kind of when Mary came back and then was like, Oh, I'm a little confused. Oh, I had a scar on my arm. And I think I mentioned it last time where she was like, Oh, no, it's not this arm. That arm's in the ground now. And it was like, she was a little Yeah, that was creepy. Yeah. Because most of the time, she's very much aware that, you know, she's still Mary in a different body. But you know, it's a little, it's a little blurry. It's a little confusing.
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um Interestingly enough, at one point, Mary offered to host the spirit of Dr. Steven's own dead daughter if he so wished to commune with her. She just offered to like host his daughter that had also been deceased. But he declined, yeah so that didn't happen. Yeah, I wouldn't really want that either. Yeah, he's like, good, like, you know, observing this from kind of afar, I guess. Yeah. um But yeah, I guess she could kind of put.
00:13:58
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body hop because um and i know i did mention this on the last one but she like was out at a pub and went like whoa i can take over this guy's body and then like went into him and gave like a little speech that was like i'm married blah blah blah because i know this and this and this and they were like okay
00:14:18
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Yeah, that's great it's weird because then she's just like, oh, no, she was like, everyone else's spirits just chilling when I body hop around. Yeah, I'm sure. Yeah. And then she's just like, oh, you guys are having dinner and I'll just go have tea in heaven. And she's be like, it's just like a piece out of her body. And they'd be like, what's it like up there? And she'd say, oh, it's wonderful, but almost indescribable. um and she just continued to say that Lorancy was up there having her own lessons getting healed from the same sort of traumas and symptoms that caused you know Mary to enter the asylum and then die um yeah but yeah eventually it's just like one day she comes back and it's
00:15:05
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weird because then they know Mary their daughter's gone and like this whole kind of thing is over with one day. Honestly that's just kind of how it ends. I was just trying to see if I had a little more about
00:15:23
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Oh, they talked about how when they asked Mary directly of her death, she would not speak of it but would quickly reply, I never died or I did not die. She never tired of talking of the life beyond this, she would at any time leave her play her reading, or her jovial companions to talk with her paw and maw about heaven and the angels um brackets as she termed spirit life and spirits that have left the body. So like she did talk about kind of the afterlife, which is so cool. And that's what fascinated people. And um and they end up like writing in to um the Roth family.
00:16:04
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but I just have to include this quick little quote because I did previously say that I would get to a quote from the book so you could see how the book was and I'm probably not going to end up reading it even though I'm a big reader but it's quite dense and let's just read one little passage shall we? Go for it. Okay. Okay, so this um is in the time where things like mesmerism were coming out from Anton Mesmer and terms like animal magnetism were first getting thrown around. and We didn't know a whole lot about germ theory and other stuff, so keep that all in mind. Okay, it said, so from E. W. Stevens book, What's Eco Wonder?
Historical Views on Mental Disorders
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The healing power, which can be imparted and aroused through the psychic forces, are multitudinous and vast in their proportions. Disease. Multitudinous? Multitudinous! I think that's what I just say. You learn a new word every day. It's like I don't want to use the word myriad because I'm never sure exactly how you're supposed to use it. So I just don't. Yeah. Disease may be said to be any derangement in the proper balancing of the working forces of the mind. Changing the polarity of the brain magnets deranges the individual psychic control over the bodily functions and can only be restored to a normal action through some external impression or control, which influence the mental machinery to restore to resume sorry its normal relations and assert its wanted activities. And that's just three sentences.
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Yeah, that's too much. Although I do like the term mental machinery. I might use that again. The mind. Yeah, it's like he kind of believed that the outside forces to change it were going to be all the drugs and other treatments and then that could heal the mind which could then kind of heal maybe the organs and make all the shit harmonious. and Yeah, we just like got to balance your humors, humors. Yeah, it's not really far removed from that. Nowadays, we just usually kind of poo poo all this completely woo woo shit, but you know. Yeah, um yeah and and it was just interesting how the father of Mary Ross, Roth, I always want to say Ross, Asa Roth went off to publish a response in the newspaper to the many letters he was getting in the mail from people that had heard about
00:18:42
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Um, his daughter's case, he posted and I was thanking them for the inquiries and ensuring that, that he corroborated the whole story. Like the book had come out and he was like, Dr. Stevens said the truth. This is what happened. This is what we saw oh happened. That's good. At least he wasn't like, Oh, he lied about half of it. Yeah. At the time he like was like, no, it's that's good. We saw, he said the first day they met Laurence, he was on June 31st. Wasn't one of the only dates I could find. and now he ah yeah One response he wrote in the paper to someone was, the narrative as written by Dr. Stevens is substantially true in every part in particular, yet the half has not been told and never can be. It is impossible for Penn to describe or language portray the wonderful events that transpired during that memorable 14 weeks that the girl was at our house.
00:19:40
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Um, and then like, you know, like yield Reddit thread sort of thing. People who could like write in, you know, stuff to the paper or to him and he would could post the response in the paper. Um, and that's, yeah, he did talk about how in talking with Mary who spoke of her death and she would say, I never died. Um, people were like, this is amazing. It gives me hope that there's life after death, you know, and stuff like that. Yeah. And he said, yeah, she had a Mac miraculous recovery and ah her overall health was improved. Um, but I guess we'll kind of never know. I mean, uh, other, they had, uh, another person in the community named Colonel Bundy came forward to, um, vouch for him because he was like, this guy's got a great reputation and reputation is everything and all that. Um, yeah.
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And then just like it's fascinated people since then, the people that founded the the SPR, the Society of Psychical Research, which is so hard to say at any given time. Yeah. Oh, and it also came up, I thought that was fun that this guy named Frederick Myers, he wrote a bunch of books and stuff and instead of supernatural, he was starting to make the, he tried to make the term more like super normal, but that it never caught on. I was like, he was trying to make supernatural normal happen and it didn't happen.
00:21:12
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You're never going to make Fetch happen. You're never going to make Fetch happen. But yeah, other than that, that was the only stuff that we didn't really talk about. And we did discuss it a little bit, but not really. We were just kind of like, wow, that was crazy. And I was like, yeah, maybe I'll get to a little bit more. Yeah. But yeah, it was definitely a different one, as I know I said three times in the last episode.
00:21:43
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She likes to repeat herself.
Introducing Pussy Riot
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um I am ready for your case, but I might also be ready for a quick pee break. All right. All right. Well, I had told you what band I was doing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They have a naughty name. They do. Where's Gordo?
00:22:16
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of Pussycat dolls? No, I think they're just suing each other. but perhaps Probably. um that That one girl, Nicole, does get really mad if you take her lead vocals over. ah so yeah She hasn't even been on Masked Singer hosting this season. It's been Rita Ora.
00:22:44
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Yeah. I digress. Yeah, I mean, some people might not consider this group to be a band. They are often referred to as like a performance art group, more so, or like a kind of feminist punk protest group. But they do have like music. Wait, so no actual music? They have music videos. Some of the like their protests and things that they've done, they filmed and released as kind of like music videos. So
00:23:15
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um that there is a certain like band aspect to it um ah but not in like the very traditional like touring band right them at concerts release an album kind of thing sure they're probably not touring oh uh they would never tour it's against their their beliefs oh no yeah that's too bad because um they are called Pussy Riot, which I i had heard of. I had seen like pictures of them. I honestly didn't really know a whole lot about them. So this is kind of interesting to dig into. They showed up on a couple lists when I was looking up bands that had gotten like legal trouble for different things that were like arrested. and Yeah.
00:24:06
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Right. Most of it's like, yeah, either property damage or yeah someone was drunk. Yeah, I was going to say drunk and disorderly. This is a different feel to it. It's interesting. Yeah. So Pussy Riot, they were founded in like 2011 as what is described as like a Russian feminist punk protest and performance art group. ah That's amazing.
00:24:39
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pro um I feel like a lot of people would probably recognize them. um The members of the group kind of come and go. Typically there's around 11 of them. okay And they use different aliases to conceal their like actual identities. um during some of the a yeah like anonymous or some other group like that yeah exactly During some of the interviews that different members have done, they've used nicknames such as Bella Clava, Cat, Serif, Terminator, like that one and Blondie.
00:25:20
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but I think Terminator is my... Terminator and Balaclava are my favorites. I still like catastrophe. and Anyway, that wasn't on the list. No, but Cat won. Hit a cat. Terminator. That's your cat when he's mad. Yeah. Time to attack. Yeah, right. I will bite the hand that feeds. Thank you very much. And only at the hand that feeds him. ah but
00:25:54
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oh So while there's no like official lineup, even though Wikipedia has a list of a bunch of their names, um the band says anyone can join and it usually has between 10 and 20 or so members. um Wow. Yeah. ah For like what they protest or I guess support. um So they're that's really what they're about. Yeah, like fundamentally they're like protesting um things such as Vladimir or Putin and the Russian Orthodox Church. In general. Yeah, they they really hate Putin. They're for put Putin, Putin out. Yeah.
00:26:41
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They also don't like the Russian person. There's a lot of things to hate about him. There's a lot of cool things. He's an interesting person, I will say. I don't know much about him specifically other than what there's like all those things of him always being shirtless and like him fighting bears or something weird. yes i once like read a listicle or something and it was all these different pictures and it was like here's him playing this um techno song like sandstorm by darude on the piano and i'm just like what yeah but then you know during this whole conflict then they got zilinski coming out he seems pretty cool too i must say maybe we just went for the ones with the dumb ass um
00:27:27
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and world leader. We get the Trumps and the Trudos over here sometimes. Yeah, they are also don't like the Russian Orthodox Church. ah They use kind of their platform to try and promote some LGBT rights.
00:27:49
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Yeah, it sounds like a few of their members are part of the LGBT community ah and stuff, so they try and promote rights for that. They protest against the government or yeah the they are fighting for the right to protest against the government, ah freedom of the press, and freedom of speech, especially in Russia. It's not quite the same as here in North America. You can kind of get away with saying a lot more stuff unless you're like threatening somebody's life. I think it is like threatening to kill somebody. Otherwise you can basically kind of say what you want.
00:28:34
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Um, well, yeah, cause we, we do value the right to free speech, yeah free speech. And I was literally just reading, it's a Canadian author who's out of Quebec and her chief inspector character is in Quebec. His name is actually Armand, speaking of interview, the vampire. And she specifically says.
00:28:58
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They're like, Quebecers, we value our right to free speech and like, yeah, your right to give your opinion, even if it's not the, you know, most popular one or whatever, because if you don't have that, then you don't really have a good democratic society if you can't say your opinions, even if they're not the popular ones. And I was like, that's a fair point, you know, like, and So they typically protest by performing what's described as like gorilla concerts. um So they just kind of like suddenly pop up. um Like they know the plan, but nothing's like pre-arranged with the public to be there or anything like that. um They typically do it in a pretty public place, ah singing different songs that different members have written about um like different things that they want to protest, Gordo.
00:29:52
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ah Yeah, so they sing about different things that they're trying to promote or things they're trying to protest. ah Typically they perform and hide their identities by wearing the brightly colored balaclavas, that they say is meant to spread joy and and inspire others to rise up and protest with them. Uh, they also wear like brightly colored kind of like dresses and that kind of stuff. Um, and their performances are normally filmed and released as music videos. Like a little, um, pop up. What do they call them? I don't know, dance or whatever. Yeah. Flash dance. They have like, yeah, those are more popular, like, I don't know, seven, eight years ago.
00:30:48
Speaker
I think the Harlem Shake ruined everybody for like flash mobs. so like something Oh, maybe. i like I just like that they do a good episode on a modern family where Mitch is part of one and Cam's so jealous because he's usually the one to be the dancer. He keeps trying to join in, but he doesn't know what's happening. Classic.
00:31:10
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da Sorry. um Recently, like in the last
00:31:17
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uh probably like eight years or so um they have done more uh like kind of traditional like music video kind of things where it is like more what you would see um with like a music video than just like a live performance that was like recorded in the street okay um more dollar bills yeah girls yeah I think you're rap videos now.
00:31:51
Speaker
Drugs and drugs and Lamborghini. Yeah. So many girls in bikinis draped over the car. Yeah. and What are we like fucking fast in the furious? yeah
00:32:07
Speaker
How else do we know the car is fast? It ripped her clothes off. Just driving faster. You made a loud noise. oh yeah
00:32:19
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Their goals include establishing a more democratic society in Russia. And one of their first performances that kind of gained them a lot of attention was in the Red Square in Moscow.
Pussy Riot's 2012 Protest
00:32:33
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Uh, back in January of 2012, where they performed a song called Putin's Azel, uh, roughly translating from Russian to Putin has pissed himself. Oh no. Yeah. He's Liam Pierson.
00:32:54
Speaker
Uh, yeah. Damn. Yeah. I, oh, there was a little quote here from the excerpt from the Guardian at a ah good article said one member speaking to the press said that their performance was inspired by the protests against Putin. in December 2011, in which Russian security forces confronted over 100,000 protesters, which turned very chaotic. She told the Financial Times, quote, we saw how troops were moving around Moscow, and there were helicopters in the sky, the military was put on alert. ah And she also says the regime just wet its pants on that day. And the symbol of the regime is Putin. ah
00:33:43
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um So kind of like that they like Putin was pissing himself because he was like so afraid of these 100,000 protesters that he had to call in the fucking military to come deal with them. I can see that. He really can't deal with any dissent or critique like most fascists. He's not going to be listening. yeah um
00:34:07
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If he is, I don't know, we love Russia. ah But yeah, like ah seriously. I don't know. Obviously, I love Russia as a country. It seems beautiful. I want to go there. Holy fuck. But like, it sucks when you can't choose your, or you you know, you don't love your representative of your country. And a lot of us don't a lot of the time. Yeah, there's something to be said about even hating who you have, but at least you have the right to vote for the vote for who you want, even if they don't win. You supposedly, you know, yeah. on paper you have the right and and we always talk about how like oh we we yeah system or whatever but it's like a lot of times you don't have a lot of choice really it's no and it's not perfect but yeah it's like never anything just do whatever they want and one of their probably most notable for performances is called the punk prayer performance
00:35:11
Speaker
um Yeah, this is what really I remembered hearing about. um And that was the morning of February 21st, 2012, when five members of Pussy Riot gathered at Moscow's Cathedral of Christ and Savior, ah wearing their sleeveless dresses, neon tights, and balaklavas. Um, they like jumped onto the sacred altar, um, in the cathedral, took out electric guitars and performed a song called punk prayer.
Moscow Cathedral Performance & Arrest
00:35:42
Speaker
Oh my God. They like, Oh fuck. What's that movie called? When they dance on the bar. Um, damn it. Kelsey never knows. It's like nine days. No, the dance on the bar. God damn it. Okay.
00:36:04
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Cut that. but I'll figure it out.
00:36:10
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The song was a mix of punk music and traditional Orthodox chanting. Oh. um Yeah. Coyote Ugly. God damn it. Oh, thank you. Never watched it.
00:36:25
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um detailing the relationship between Putin and the Orthodox Church. It also criticized the church's anti-woman and anti-LGBT views and in it they were um had different lines that were asking like the mother of god to oust Putin and become a feminist so they're like asking. Renounce, renounce Putin. I think the mother of God would be a feminist. She's probably doing all she can, man.
00:36:59
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ah The performance itself ah happening in this cathedral was shut down like within minutes, um but it made a huge impact on like Russian politics around the world and how people were viewing Russia back in 2012. Made the headlines for sure with a name like Pussy Riot. They they accomplished what they were going for. like They made a splash, I think.
00:37:25
Speaker
Yeah, um so there was kind of like conflicting things. um A couple of things I read said that three of the five members who were performing or protesting that day were arrested like immediately at the Cathedral. Um, a couple others said that they were arrested like a few days later, so I'm not exactly sure, but the three that were arrested, uh, I didn't look up pronunciations and I'm so sorry. This is going to be awful. Uh, it's all underlined.
00:38:03
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ah Nodazda, Tola Kanokova, Maria Alejina, and Katarina Sametozevich. I do love a Katarina, that's a pretty name.
00:38:22
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This is Yekaterina. It's like Y-E. Oh, I think Yekaterina. Yeah, it might be pronounced E-E-Katerina. I'm not 100% sure. Okay. I like it. um So the three of them, those were the three that were arrested, they were denied bail and held actually in custody for like five months while they were awaiting their trial that ended up happening in late July of 2012. That's a while. Yeah, it's white color fucking crime or whatever you want to call it like, I don't know.
00:38:59
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yeah a The two other women that were involved in the protest ended up fleeing the country and were actually never like identified or named. Well, that was a smart move, honestly. yeah Especially around there where you can just get to a different European country so quickly. Like maybe they weren't from Russia originally. I don't know. Just speculating wildly. ah yama um So the three women that were arrested, they were convicted of hooliganism motivated by religious hatred. God, that sounds funny, but like what does that mean in Soviet Russia? Like I'm scared to find out.
00:39:41
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ah Right. ah They were sentenced to two years in prison each. Okay. It's not terrible, I guess. It's harsh. Protesting? Yeah. They didn't endanger anybody. I don't know. But neither do people that just have, you know, possession of weed in the United States. And yet, like, Or Canada for quite a while, like you could get, you know, a time for possession and shit like that. That was just like, pretty unfair when you think about it. Yeah. um In the appeal, one of the women's samatosevich, she was released because it turned out that she had never made it to the altar. um Oh.
00:40:36
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and committed what she was being charged for. So I think based on where they were standing in the video, she ended up appealing and being like, I'm actually not standing on the altar. I'm standing beside it. Oh my god, technicality. Yeah. Yeah, but good for her. I mean, you got to do what you got to do. She's a lawyer.
00:40:59
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Yeah, didn't really get into it a whole lot. um The other two lost their appeals and were sent to two separate Russian prisons. yeah But their trial became like a huge symbol um' of Putin's authoritarian tendencies and the censorship of political ideas in Russia. The censorship. Yeah, that's bad. It's the suppression of information and stuff. And, you know, also killing anybody like that doesn't agree with you politically, allegedly. you know This is all a problem in my eyes. It said, well, Russia denies any political motivation in their arrest. It is clear that the group's criticism of the government and the church were part of the reason that they were arrested and sentenced so harshly.
00:41:49
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Because it happened inside the cathedral and everything like that. um the government faced a lot of criticism following the arrest both from supporters of Pussy Riot um throughout Russia and the Western world. So um it did and I think that's like where I remembered hearing about it or seeing their pictures was probably around this time people were kind of talking about it because of the trial. Yeah that must have been its heyday because things do come and go in the news cycle.
00:42:25
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yeah there's just so much news all the time it's a lot as it can be very overwhelming yeah like i don't know 20 30 years ago it used to be your local news was talking about your local news now local news could be like your whole country or it could be north america or you could be hearing about stuff on the other side of the world right like because i think they talk about the newspaper like yeah there's a big shift with the 24-hour news cycle that kind of started going in like the 90s and we had internet and stuff and then we can and then we just had to fill that void since then like I don't know I've heard people talk about it where it's like then we had this all started something you know crazy yeah right you have more more hours to fill you need to find more to talk about
00:43:19
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ah But then, yeah. Apparently, yeah, I don't know. Some of the first newspaper guys might have been the ones that um they said also contributed to this sort of sensationalism type of news. Oh, yeah. like Yeah, because even the Victorian grinds we've talked about a few times, some of those newspaper articles, you're like, damn, this is insane. They're drawing little caricatures of people on trial. It's insane. Yeah, I want to say William Randolph Hearst, one of the first, oh, I'm going to make a lot of money off of fucking news, no matter who it hurts or whatever. Yeah. Yeah, like, fuck you.
00:43:57
Speaker
Um, you don't want to create this kind of thing where journalism is just supposed to get the biggest headline. Like that's not what it's supposed to be about now that we can learn about things that are happening and around the world, which we couldn't do before we had this technology. Like we want to hear the actual truth. We don't want it to be, you know, force fed or like, you know, yeah, messed with. It's crazy. It's crazy.
00:44:26
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um So, yeah. um Some citizens were offended by their performance at the altar, ah many of whom were like highly religious and also Putin supporters.
Impact of Pussy Riot's Arrest
00:44:43
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um So they didn't like that it like it happened inside the church on the altar, like they were standing on it and jumping on it. okay yeah um The topic of the... or sorry And the topic of the arrest seemed to sharply like divide the country. um Some believed that their sentencing, the two years, was too harsh, while others believed that it wasn't harsh enough.
00:45:08
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Um, there was some talks of even bringing back corporal punishment, uh, flogging and birching, uh, to tarring and feathering spreads. Like people were talking about let's tar and feather them. Flogging and what was the other one? Between? Flogging and birching. I don't think I know birching. Oh, it's like birch branches. It's like, it's a very like flexible tree branch. So you can like, different kind of web people sort of yeah yeah it's like cuz yeah the tarring and feathering that was pretty a specifically cruel thing they did but then they also would like they said they took someone out like I think it was called like on the rail or something this sounds really weird it's like they
00:45:58
Speaker
You know, imagine them taking somebody out on like not like a wooden bicycle, but like like a wooden like road part, like just a wooden stick, a rail. Right. And they're like, and then they just carry you all around town. And then I don't know. I guess you're nuts or squash. Oh, I guess that's where we get some of our expressions. I don't know. I was just like, that one is very weird. But apparently it happened.
00:46:28
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along with the tarring and feathering and all this craziness. Yeah. um And many of the people were believing that the members of Pussy Riot were like a threat to Russia, which I'm sure Russia, like some people did view them as a threat. um And it is noted that unlike like the divide it seemed to have caused in Russia, the reaction from like the West or North America was almost completely positive. ah Pussy Riot became a symbol for democratic freedoms like free speech and right to protest and criticize the government. Sexy way to do it too.
00:47:13
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You take your trumps out here. It can happen. They don't like that. They're like, oh, stop blaring your horns. We'll take your bank accounts away.
00:47:24
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ah Yeah, like people do that now. They will take like a certain thing that happens, and it seems to be the thing that everybody is talking about for like a month or so, and then ah it's on to the next thing. Oh, but completely.
00:47:41
Speaker
That's the news cycle we created. Nobody can focus on anything for too long. And then they just feel like the crushing weight of trying to do something about it all. It's like, well, it's not going to happen at this rate.
00:47:58
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ah So there was actually like many famous people who publicly supported Pussy Riot, including artists, musicians, politicians and business people. um Yeah, with like Russian government and its oppressive policies taking center stage around the world as is international attention was placed on the woman's arrests and then like the trial and then them being in prison. um from the Guardian article again. I thought this was kind of interesting because this is one thing I guess about maybe why it may have taken
00:48:36
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Such an interest. um They said it was unusual how much people outside of Russia paid attention to the arrest and trial. There have certainly been other outrageous arrests of political activists in Russia and all over the world that did not gain that much attention. The members of Pussy Riot that were arrested were popular because they held attributes that other activists didn't. They said they were young beautiful women that were well-spoken and they loved the attention They had the celebrity quality that people from the West love so like I don't know I guess No, right know Because ah there's been times when other people have spoken out maybe as one person alone and I
00:49:24
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then they get killed or die in a mysterious way. And that's true' like, well, no wonder nobody wants to speak out on their own and they have to like take the form of a group or something where you have some safety in numbers. And even then you're just going to discount them as like some crazy women, like it's not going to matter what they do. I do. I do get to it later, but there's actually been like, um I think I have a tiny thing about it but I didn't really get into it too much but there's members of it later on that are actually like upset at the three of them for kind of cashing in maybe a little bit on the celebrity they got from their arrest and then well there're always will that kind of stuff.
00:50:15
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yeah I don't know. Maybe I've been listening too much of You're Wrong About, but I tend to learn that we like to blame the women if they do succeed in our society. We're like, what? Blame them for everything. ever Couldn't have been her just you know getting off her feet and you know doing well for herself. Had to be she's evil. Yeah. It's not a great trend when you hear different things like that. You're like, oh no.
00:50:45
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Yeah. Shortly after the arrest and during the trial, actually Madonna, she ended up having um performing like a concert in Russia.
Madonna Supports Pussy Riot
00:50:57
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She spoke of her support of pussy riot and how brave they were for fighting the Russian government. And I think she even wore like a balaclava when she was like making her statements. That sounds very Madonna.
00:51:10
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ah Right. I feel like I remember this actually happening though. There's like not paying much attention to it at the time, you know? Right? Like I remember when I saw some of the pictures, I was like, Oh, I think I remember seeing like maybe thumbnails of some of these pictures. But yeah, it's one of those Yeah, you know, if if we don't, unfortunately, kind of have to deal with it, quote unquote, on an everyday basis, we can't ignore it a little bit easier. But like that's the point of people like this where they're like, well, we wanted to get your attention. And then you're like, and you did good for you. Call attention to your cause. And so I'm like,
00:51:46
Speaker
Fuck yeah. Yeah, I do have some stuff with um them, like, I guess people trying to like endorse them and how they kind of responded to that. Ooh, interesting. ah Yeah, because keep in mind they're anti-capitalist and now they have millionaires being like, we support you. And they're just like, well, like you're a fucking millionaire. Like, what are you doing to help people? kind of thing or fucking what did we to I don't think we talked about this on air, but when I was like the accusing Jared Leto, and then he's like, sure, I'm a cult. But he's also like, oh, fuck greed. And then he's like, yeah, I'll come to my camp and pay your $5,000 to come hang out with my band. You're like, yeah, you're so not greedy.
00:52:41
Speaker
yeah yeah um my god Yeah, so like, I didn't really find much about their two years in prison, there might be stuff in there out there, but yeah two years we run across it, but um they were, or it was almost two years. okay I think because it says in February 2014, a statement was made anonymously on behalf of some Pussy Riot members that Olejana and Tola Kanova were no longer members, so they had been outs from the group. So this point forward, they're no longer... Two people? Pussy Riot no longer... Yeah, two of the ones that were arrested are no longer viewed as actual members. Ooh, I wonder why. I had a hard time trying to figure out whether or not that was because they were trying to help them. Yeah. Or if they were silenced. Maybe get out of prison if they were like...
00:53:41
Speaker
Um, not really like allegedly we're trying to like, um, and maybe lend their support and being like, Oh yeah, they weren't actually part of the group and that kind of stuff to kind of like separate distance them from the group that way to help them out. Cause they're in prison. yeah Just muddy waters a little bit there. Yeah. Yeah. Or if they didn't. support them because there's some stuff as I kind of said like later on that happens where they're kind of like you don't really agree with that. like yeah no okay
00:54:17
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um From the Guardian article again, um it said that after the women were released shortly before the 2014 Winter Olympics, The women took a tour of the US making speeches and different appearances. The women were invited to perform at the Grammys with Madonna and invited to many other performances. um The women refused saying that they only perform political protests and they will never perform in which people have to pay for tickets to see them.
00:54:50
Speaker
but was there think cause yeah um So they'll never do like a traditional tour like that way. um Pussy Riot's values are in many ways way more radical than many of the famous celebrities that had spoken in favor of them. And probably it said Pussy Riot may be against the values of the Russian government, but they are also against capitalism. And capitalism is one of the values most celebrated in the US and other Western democracies. Um, the outpouring of support was in some ways superficial in that many of the supporters or like people that were like, Oh yeah, I stand with them. Um, did not actually support their values. Um, no they wouldn't have taken the time to research it. Right. Yeah. Um, but instead we're just, uh, simply supporting their right to protest against the Putin government. So like they were trying to find, they said a lot of the people trying to support them, um, we're just like,
00:55:50
Speaker
ah wanting to bash the Russian government weren't actually like kind of reading up and like understanding who they were throwing their support behind because they always ah important to have an open discussion as I mentioned I guess maybe off the pod I can't remember now ah we've been talking what are you drinking it looks deliciously pink by the way I just have to ask
00:56:22
Speaker
uh this is one of the it's a wild peach pie it's from like shitties okay s-h-i-d-d-y-s shitties distillery i think i've seen that in store yes it's it's okay i wouldn't buy it again sorry damn that's me with the fucking raspberry basil debacle i yeah that this has about that much flavor so yeah oh my god i wish that other one had less flavor i can't believe she was like he barely has any basil i'm like whatever bitch we all tried to drink that and it was weird um sorry basil hot take
00:57:12
Speaker
Like basil in food, but not really in- Big basil's coming for us now. but Yeah. What's that?
00:57:21
Speaker
um Okay. from Oh, this is where I had it. So this was from Wikipedia. It said the other members tried to distance themselves from the two, saying that although they were glad for their release, the members were anti-capitalist and did not support their use of pussy riot to make money from songs and tours. What? Which is what they did. It said they went on like a public press tour and like speaking tour in the US and stuff.
00:57:53
Speaker
What it made so much money to offend this other person like I doubt it notlu After failing to prevent them from using the pussy riot name they declared the group dead so this was like 2014 2015 they like set the group has done like it's kind of over but as I've mentioned and like um they did starting in 2016 I think two of the girls that were like arrested are still using the name and releasing music videos including ones that are like going against Trump and that kind of stuff um yeah so it just seemed to have a little alliance has been yeah it kind of has been like said that it's dead but there's still stuff getting released under the name yeah because they were made to be like political dissenters so like they're like anonymous or something i feel like that group you know what i mean like they're not
00:58:59
Speaker
there to be on tour for you or whatever. Wow. And I thought it was kind of interesting that they said in almost every article and like statement that like, yeah, anybody can say that they're part of Pussy Riot and like all that kind of stuff. And then they're trying to say like, oh, yeah, we declared the name like the group dead because we didn't like what these two were doing using the name. And it's like, well, you keep saying that anybody can be part of it and yeah that it's just meant to like um inspire people to protest what they want to like stand for or against and it's well they're trying to and yeah you guys are telling them not be cleared god damn it yeah what do you represent and we'll get behind you
00:59:48
Speaker
And then if not, you're just like, ah, I'm too cool. I'm not doing it for cloud. You're like, well, too bad these days. Like you do something. People are going to notice that you're going to have to like, yeah, spend yourself at some point.
01:00:05
Speaker
um yeah The rest I had from Wikipedia said, ah speaking as much to Western European and North American audiences as to Russian ones, Pussy Riot anticipated Donald Trump's victory two weeks before the outcome of the 2016 United States presidential election was declared and released the song, Make America Great Again, which I watched.
Criticism of Trump in 2016 Video
01:00:31
Speaker
Did they release a song called that? Yeah, i'm like a music video. It's yeah, it's on like their official YouTube, um along with a bunch of their other protests that they've done. It's like a satire after he came up with because he had his campaign slogan before that, I would assume. Yeah, so they released this song saying basically that they believed he was going to win the election.
01:00:58
Speaker
And yeah, wrong and like it was kind of, yeah, right? It was kind of talking about all the ways he was basically not going to make America great again. He was acting like it was so crazy. All the celebrities were like, we're going to move to Canada. Like really? The whole time you've had this election going, you're like, well, what if that one guy wins? Well, you have two guys running. Like, do you know how probability works? It's 50-50. Not that our system is all that better because we try to get um environmental parties going like the Green Party and we have the one called the NDP. But it's still virtually impossible. It's still just liberally conservative.
01:01:41
Speaker
or Democrat, whatever they call it in America, Democratic and Republican. yeah um But in that like song or video, Make America Great Again, it depicts a dystopian world where President Trump enforced his values through beating, shaming and branding by stormtroopers. It's kind of a fun video and it's also one of the only ones I think that was in English. They've done a few of their newer stuff in English. The rest of that is not. um How much yeah trouble are we going to get in if we feature some? Let's do it. Let's add to the controversy. I can pull out the Make America Great Again. That was probably fine. They also have a song called... Oh, frick, what is it? I don't know, but I love the way your head popped up when you were trying to think of what it was.
01:02:34
Speaker
No, it's either it's either called hangers or no more hangers and it was about like the abortion ban happening in the u.s. That sounds familiar actually. Yes, no more hangers. Yeah. Yeah, I think I heard of that. Yeah, it's uh Gets right to the point. Oh, nope. I didn't mean that to sound that gross It's uh, that one would hit home for sure I have to see. I can't remember for sure if this one was in English.
01:03:07
Speaker
So like, it's all these ads. Stop it. They're still kind of active now is what we're saying. Did you say the ones, one of the girls that was arrested is still using the name, but the other ones have ah said that the group is dead and they no longer condone or endorse anything. that Maybe they've been counted saying that it's possible they were threatened.
01:03:34
Speaker
yeah
01:03:37
Speaker
see have a bunch of like It's like a bunch of news clips about like protesters getting beaten and stuff. Oh lovely. Oh yeah, no more small breasts.
01:03:56
Speaker
Rude. A handful is fine. All you need.
01:04:07
Speaker
Yeah. I wonder if this was like the Spice Girls where my sister said to me not too long ago, I think last year on a visit that like, you know like only one or two of them could really sing that good.
01:04:34
Speaker
Yeah, it it works better if like with the video I can put one of the videos up on the website Yeah, but yeah, they're newer stuff like they've been doing more of it in English um um Hope they do get more mainstream
01:04:58
Speaker
Yeah, we'll see. they They don't have a lot of videos. It's so hard if you're in a country like that, that suppresses all sorts of information that doesn't align with what the leader wants. Like, Oh my gosh, it must be so hard to mount any sort of protest like that. Even if it's just like, yeah, or just, you know what I mean? Like they have to kind of couch it in these cryptic lyrics or whatever. It's just like, This is crazy. This is not Nazi Germany. We shouldn't have to be like afraid to say what we want to say. It's just fucked up. I don't know. Um, they did do like a exhibition. Um, yeah, there's like a,
01:05:45
Speaker
What did this have to to do? um I'm not exactly sure when this opened. It said it was like 10 years. It was celebrating the decade of their history. So wow I think it must have been a few years ago, like around 2001, 2002. Oh, because it started in 2012. No, sorry, 2021, like 2022. Yeah. Okay. um Yeah, because it said the exhibition is called Velvet Terrorism. oh my god and yeah it um It opened in Reykjavik. Iceland. target in iceland yeah um and It's an exhibit that was tracing the decade-long history of Russian art collective Pussy Riot. ah One of the pieces that's one of the most talked about um features a framed portrait of Vladimir Putin that
01:06:42
Speaker
um I didn't see a picture or a video of this, but it's apparently like propped up against a table well from above. On a video loop, one of the members of Pussy Riot lifts up their dress and pees on the portrait. like in Okay, but I love that because it doesn't actually hurt anything. substantial. Like did we not talk about on the last one or have I just heard about people trying to spray paint Stonehenge or they're trying to throw eggs at the fucking Mona Lisa. you What are you trying to say? Nobody knows until they actually like Google it. Like what stupid, you know what I mean? Like not company, but like whatever cause they work for. So they just try to gain attention by like destroying something. and You're like,
01:07:31
Speaker
No. Yeah, most of the time I think those ones were like are like global warming or something weren't they? Yeah. Like climate change? Yes. Just no oil. Some sort of yeah. Yeah, we're trying guys. We're trying but this is not the way. The baby Yoda would not approve. This is not the way. I was like, what's the Mandalorian? That's what they say. This is the way.
01:08:05
Speaker
um I did find like a cool WordPress article that was talking about the exhibition. um It said that like photos were stuck on the wall with this colored electrical tape. There was TV monitors ah playing footage of various performances and beatings that the collective, like the group, had undergone, um such as one time in 2014 when Ollie Hyana and other members were whipped and pepper sprayed by Cossacks while protesting at the Winter Olympics. Oh my god. Sochy. Something we would never see when we're watching the Olympics coverage. Because why would we? i It also talked about one of the times where I didn't really get into it, but where like a couple of the members had gone to a protest or something and they just disappeared and nobody could like reach them for a couple of days. Oh great.
01:09:01
Speaker
Like, yeah, they had been like beaten to death or like kidnapped or something. Oh my god. Yeah, like they they did have some violence definitely that was put against beaten to death. or protest Yeah. this is shit that We need to know about where you're like, how is that just like a footnote or whatever? Doesn't make any sense. um Yeah, it's at the look of the like exhibit now has like this punk sensibility that's fitting to their aesthetic songs that they kind of had. Yeah, like more so at the beginning um that they had um
01:09:47
Speaker
Also said, when I first met Ali Yongka, she was scribbling text on the gallery wall with what looks like a Sharpie. She was writing in English an explanation of the footage showing Pussy Riot's breakthrough performance in January 2012 in Moscow's Red Square. That day they played a song, um the Putin pissed his pants on, which included the lines, the Orthodox religion is a hardened penis, coursing its subjects to accept conformity. I'm just going to say, the only thing I like about that is poems that use penis.
01:10:26
Speaker
The hardened penis. There was a hilarious mention of the Outwin. The last thing a religion wants to do. I don't know. One Scottish guy apparently like made a whole poem that was like an ode to my penis. I don't know. It was. Oh, probably. Yeah, it was something like that. But perhaps a little more poetically stated. And yeah, also in Gaelic. So then she's like, did he just compare his penis to a bagpipe chanter? And I went to Pat and I was like, do you know what a bagpipe chanter is? You played bagpipes. He's like,
01:11:02
Speaker
It's the blowpiece.
01:11:05
Speaker
Well, someone just compared their penis to one of those. Okay, cool. Good to know we had penis poetry as far back as the 17th century. Oh, yeah. As soon as they had written language, there was stuff about penis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was gonna say my hope in humanity is restored, but like everything we try, we're like, porn? Can it be used for porn?
01:11:30
Speaker
And that's the human condition. no
01:11:34
Speaker
And complaints. Did you ever hear about the one that was? And complaints about porn. What is it? No, it's from like Pompeii or something like really fucking oh where they translated like this like stone. It was like carved into stone. this panel And they figured out. It's a freaking review of this guy's business being like, he is not reliable, he sucks, I do not recommend him. And it's so funny. One of the four stars. Fuck this guy on Yelp. And everybody online is always like, the OG Yelp review. They just ripped him apart. Of course. And it had to be chiseled in a fucking stone. This guy hated this dude. You meant business.
01:12:23
Speaker
Yeah, so funny. They're like the world's oldest Yelp review. Yeah, different if you put it into a tablet nowadays, but a stone tablet has different implications. Yeah. So it's like, oh yeah. That took some time. I only have like two more paragraphs. Okay. um Uh, from the, what did I say the article was? Oh, word press still. yes Um, it said, it said this spring after being arrested six times since last summer for protesting against Putin and suspecting another spell in jail was likely. Aliana and her girlfriend, Lucy Stein, uh, and other members of Pussy Riot fled their house arrest in Russia disguised as food couriers.
01:13:12
Speaker
smart door dad Yeah, so like I hadn't even known that they were in like under house arrest. like I didn't really read that anywhere else. Right. They were under surveillance after like ah one of the first incidences. After they were released, yeah. And still getting arrested. She had been arrested like six more times. Oh, right. yeah Yeah, it said that her girlfriend Stein is now in Israel while Ayanna, Wonka, and other collective members were nomadic and have spent much of their time leaving Russia, touring Europe to raise money to support Ukraine, and sanctions on Russian oil and gas.
Continued Activism and European Tour
01:13:56
Speaker
um yeah there was like i think a couple songs that they released um when like Ukraine got invaded by Russia and stuff yeah i know they had at least one song about it that makes sense it's probably they're probably like this is the exact kind of thing we were scared about and it's tough we we usually yeah don't love to even touch on things but it's you know when war literal wars are going on people are dying and conflicts like that it's pretty fucking shitty we can't like ignore it um ah oh yeah this was i think uh i think this was from the article too but this is where i wanted to leave it on it said quote be it prison uh
01:14:56
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I don't know what noiy shop noy beach so noi Noi vichak.
01:15:04
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No idea what that is, but it says, be it prison, noivichuk, whips, ankle tags, or exile, says the show's publicity material, pussy riot, turn every violent action of the state into art material, shifting the power balance. also So maybe it's some sort of punishment from that context. like ah Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm going to speculate. like The stocks? Maybe by the time this comes out, someone can tell us. like yeah Very wise listeners, including my sister. Oh, it is a family of nerve agents. So it's like chemical weapons. but That's great. What does it do to the body? Induce convulsions, muscle weakness, nausea, paralysis, vomiting, and difficulty breathing. And this is what's called noivichuck or whatever? Noivichuck, N-L-V-I-C-H, okay. Weird.
01:16:01
Speaker
Yeah, um but apparently they use like all those things. um Like they use them and like repurpose them into art. um Like for their exhibit thing that they did. Yeah. Sorry, I just cracked my knuckles. Yeah. But yeah, that's all I have. Um, there's a lot more out of out there. Like there was so much yeah breakdowns on all of their videos and symbolism and different band members. And well, that makes sense. Cause a lot more about views and yeah, it's not their history of supporting specific ones is a lot. Right. So you get like your regular bands and they're like, this guy fucked up and that guy fucked up. And then this one's like.
01:16:48
Speaker
We're kind of a band to fuck your shit up or whatever. Yeah, right. a They're doing it for a good cause. Yeah. Like some would argue not, but some would argue yes. So. Yeah, I think. Yeah, yeah but they are they are getting in criminal trouble for it. So sometimes yeah the environment you're brought up in like calls for that. I don't know. they're in a place where like you'd have to make a big statement before you're heard and stuff, I think. Yes, very true. I don't know i think that was really great. I really enjoyed it. And thanks. I don't know. I think that I think that is was like enough to be a pretty good episode. I don't know. What do you guys think?
01:17:43
Speaker
Damn, I think should do Band Crimes Part 2 for next week. Yeah. Because, well, yeah, I have enough I could do at least another hour if we wanted. But you know, yeah. Maybe. Maybe we'll do it. Hold everybody in suspense. Well, we gave them the rest of the Whatzika Wonder so they can calm their tits. True. No, it's exciting. I really like when everybody gets excited or like, you know, just on good pods. I logged in and saw that my
01:18:22
Speaker
Brother right at the new episode and was like they're back and I'm just like, oh I feel so nice to have people be excited that we're Making episodes again. So yeah. Yeah bitches. Let us know what you think Yeah, ah yeah, so that was amazing I Like I said to you, it kind of combined a couple like listicles where I was like, I want to know if there was meant, kind of want to dig into boy band crimes, but I also know there's been like a few documentaries like full, you know, whatever's behind the curtain, making the band, the making of the crimes by making the band. And so it just was like, is there any other scandals and kind of stuff like that. so
01:19:15
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Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, so I get some scandals and that's kind of what mine went to and like Nothing too crazy Deep or whatever. I don't know. I Didn't talk about any murders. Let's say that so okay Yeah, I didn't really want to cover any of those either I was like that gets pretty dark I We do that enough in our regular true crime while it's nice to do other types of crime. Exactly. That's generally what we get to do. um ah We pussied, we rioted, and now there's just a wet spot on the floor. um ah
01:20:05
Speaker
Yeah. He almost made an appearance on several of our other recordings, including different collabs we've done where we're like, oh no.
01:20:16
Speaker
Well. As long as, yeah, you were saying Gordo the actual, he just randomly attacked me a couple times out of the room. Toddler phase much? Like at least kids, like sometimes you can predict when they're going to be insane. They're a toddler. They're a teenager. All right. Well, look out. They might bite you. I don't know. but you're not getting right It's just like insane. I don't know. Ragdoll. I don't think so. More like serial killer.
01:20:55
Speaker
Yes, that totally makes sense because I remember when she got the sphinx on the one that Rachel got on friends. She attacked her all the fucking time. Yes. No.
01:21:11
Speaker
It's the the hairless I always remember he's a mix and I never remember what the other one is other than ragdoll Which does a little demon what? Yeah, yeah, they're assholes do Yeah, yes thanks cats are supposed to be like asshole alright good night Gordo and good night y'all out there and yeah, we'll catch you next week for more band crimes and Then maybe we'll dive into some folklore after that. His attitude is full space. I'm excited. All right.
01:21:50
Speaker
Until next time. What did we say? Keep it cryptic!