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Episode 145: "Longlegs" Review
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This week on the show the boys review "Longlegs"! This episode was a lot of fun and the boys had a blast recording it! We hope you all enjoy it and we will talk to you later!!
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Introduction to 'Long Legs' and Russo Brothers Discussion
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the_popcorn_podcast
Welcome back everyone to the popcorn podcast. I'm Tom Acosta. Alongside me is my coz Ryan Faran. And today we're here to talk about Neon's new horror film, Long Legs. And before we get into that, Ryan, I just want to ask you how you're doing because I forgot to ask you in last week, last episode.
00:00:14
Ryan
No, it's fine. i didn't I didn't notice it at all. I'm doing i'm doing all right. It's a it's good time. Good time down here. Very bored. Other than that, fantastic. Doing doing really, really well.
00:00:28
the_popcorn_podcast
That's good. Did you ah hear about who's going to be directing the next two Avengers movies?
00:00:32
Ryan
I did. The Russo Browser back.
00:00:35
the_popcorn_podcast
I don't know how I feel about that.
00:00:35
Ryan
you know Honestly, I want to be honest. It gives me a little bit more confidence because they were the only guys who knew how to like They did such a good job in Infinity War and Endgame of spacing out the characters. So in in you know the next Avengers and then Secret Wars after that, there's going to be so many people to give lines to. So I think having those guys back who are kind of the only two people who have really experienced that, I think it's it's it's a kind of a good sign. So it gives me a little bit more hope for those movies. I still don't think they're going to be very good because Marvel's track record is dog shit um after Endgame. But yeah.
00:01:14
Ryan
It gives me a little bit more hope with those movies.
00:01:18
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah. Well, that's not why we're here today.
Plot Overview and Star Cast
00:01:21
the_popcorn_podcast
We're not talking here to talk about Marvel. We're here to talk about neon new films. I said long likes directed by Osgood Perkins. And Ryan, how do you say her name again before we get into this?
00:01:30
Ryan
ah Michael.
00:01:32
the_popcorn_podcast
That is not how you say her name.
00:01:34
Ryan
Mikey. I think it's Micah.
00:01:35
the_popcorn_podcast
That.
00:01:38
the_popcorn_podcast
Don't. Is that right, Micah?
00:01:40
Ryan
That's what it looks like. I don't know. Just say Monroe.
00:01:43
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, monra mi I'm going to say I said Mika, Ryan said Micah. Micah Monroe and Nicholas Cage and Blair Underwood. And this film is about FBI agent Lee Harker who is assigned to an unsolved serial killer case that takes an unexpected turn revealing evidence of the occult. Harker discovers a personal connection to the killer and must stop must stop him before he strikes again. This film released on, what was that?
00:02:05
Ryan
Wait, really? Wait, really?
00:02:11
the_popcorn_podcast
shut up this film released on july 12th and has a budget less than 10 million dollars and has already crossed the 25 million dollar domestic box office mark and so far amongst all sites has done pretty well uh with its scores it has a 65 percent on fandango 7.3 out of 10 on imdb 78 on google and on run 2 is it has an 86 86 critic score with a 65 audience score but before
00:02:11
Ryan
And realize it.
Cinematography and Dialogue Critique
00:02:37
the_popcorn_podcast
we
00:02:37
the_popcorn_podcast
go to our deeper dive. Me and Ryan like to give our quick initial thoughts and so far I think what I think is the downside of this movie is the dialogue and However, I do think that everything else in this movie makes up with that makes up for that with the the cameras um camera work, like the way it moves and the way how it doesn't move, ah the cinematography, as I said, the acting, the direction that it takes and just the eeriness that I felt felt and the way that made me think about it for the next few days after watching this film, which to me right away proves to be that is one of the most important parts of a horror movie is I like
00:03:17
the_popcorn_podcast
when I have to think about it and that's what pops into my head randomly when I'm in the dark or if I'm trying to go upstairs to bed or if I go down to my basement, the lights are off. So to me, it makes up for the dialogue, which doesn't isn't great. But yeah, so I loved it. It's going to be to be really hard to knock out of my top 10 of the year so far and what I think is going to end up being my final top 10. But yeah, I really liked what Osgood Perkins did, and I'm excited to see what he does next.
00:03:42
Ryan
Yeah, well anyways, if you want to steal my line again, that's cool. But just let me know. um Because Tommy did record. We tried this before we got those initial thoughts out of the way and then Tommy stopped recording for some reason. But I initially said that my biggest gripe with the film was its dialogue in general, like Tommy said, you know, this time. um It was just so basic, especially when it comes to Agent Carter, Blair Underwood, his character. Not that he did a bad job, I think, like I said last time, that Tommy didn't steal.
00:04:11
the_popcorn_podcast
I
00:04:13
Ryan
The actors did a great job. They was very well acted, very well directed.
00:04:15
the_popcorn_podcast
didn't.
00:04:16
Ryan
The best part of it, the best part of this movie is the tone. Like Tommy said, the camera work. Every technical aspect in this movie was fantastic. On a technical level, it's it's really, really outstanding. But I think, like I said, and like Tommy stole, that the dialogue is just the biggest the biggest downside of this movie, because it's so basic. It's very, very basic. There's not really like any sharpness or wittiness to it. Obviously, wittiness isn't a word that you want to use in horror, but it's just the first word that came to my mind. And I think you understand what I'm saying when I say witty.
00:04:48
Ryan
There was no like smartness to it.
00:04:50
the_popcorn_podcast
you
00:04:50
Ryan
It was just very, very basic characters talking Figuring something out going to the next place and then talking figuring something out going to the next place and just over and over again There was nothing like to it that much. It was very very simplistic which I think Dragged it down a little bit because it made it kind of boring to watch But again the tone the cam work the acting that the makeup everything else about this movie made up for it It was a really really fun one to watch
00:05:20
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, I definitely agree. And I'm sorry if I if I took your thought, but we had the same idea.
00:05:26
Ryan
All right.
00:05:26
the_popcorn_podcast
We even in the other one. I just got to talk first this time.
00:05:29
Ryan
Yeah, that's cool.
00:05:29
the_popcorn_podcast
But I think another thing I did so well with even the marketing on this film is that the trailer.
00:05:31
Ryan
Yeah.
Marketing and Nicolas Cage's Performance
00:05:37
the_popcorn_podcast
It was really the same trailer a bunch of times, just in different orders for the most part. And none of the dialogue, really only the main dialogue in any of the tropes was when Nicolas Cage's character says, he's like, I know you're not afraid of the dark because you have because you are part of the dark, or you have the dark, you are the dark. And that's like the main dialogue of the entire trailer and every single trailer. And there was so much that you didn't understand what's happening. You didn't know what you were going to see. I think it is such a good job with, and I did not expect a lot of what I saw and I wasn't expecting it to be. This was a right. This was on my mom didn't like the song I loved. I didn't expect it to go into the, to the demonic so much, but it was what I loved probably the most about it. Shut the fuck up. toilet But.
00:06:23
the_popcorn_podcast
Can you hear that?
00:06:25
Ryan
Yep.
00:06:26
the_popcorn_podcast
God damn it. But yeah, it was something I, I really loved. I liked the fact, uh, this is going, I don't want to say any spoilers yet. I want to give them a couple, at least a couple minutes of us just talking. But yeah, I think the performances, I thought the way that Osgood Perkins did the character of Lee was really good. And I liked the idea, which I'll get more into, uh, before I just want to let you get your thoughts across too. And I liked the marketing of not showing Nicholas Cage until you were in the theater. So yeah, there's just some quick things for me.
00:06:53
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. I think the marketing for this movie was fantastic. And I think that's why yeah you look at the Rotten Tomatoes score, the the fan score, it's a 65. I think that's kind of got a part to play in it because the marketing was not quite misleading, but I feel like the marketing made it look scarier than it actually was, at least for me. Like I was pretty nervous going into it, but then when I started watching, I was like, all right, this isn't too bad. It's, you know. I think that the marketing was almost better than the actual movie, just because it got so many people hyped. We've seen the box office, we got so many people to go see it. and I think a lot of people are going to be maybe disappointed isn't the right word. Maybe be a little disappointed, but it's just um I feel like it didn't quite live up to the how of the marketing was hyping it up.
00:07:42
Ryan
but At the same time, that's kind of the fault of the movie, but you can't fault the marketing team because they did a fantastic job. Like even with just like the posters and everything, it makes it look so much scarier than it actually was. At least for me.
00:07:56
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, because it definitely is more. I was trying to explain.
00:07:59
Ryan
It's more of a thriller than a horror.
00:08:01
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, it's definitely a thriller with horror elements, which if you read it, if anyone like saw anything, Oscar Perkins said, or they did say it's not a true horror movie. It is. It is a thriller that is just. Disturbing, which makes it so much makes it in what so most people consider horror movie.
00:08:15
Ryan
Yeah.
00:08:19
Ryan
Yeah, it's very similar to Science of the Lambs.
00:08:19
the_popcorn_podcast
And.
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Ryan
And that's completely on purpose. But it's kind of it's almost the same story to ah to an extent.
00:08:25
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, it's the same idea of like
Thriller Elements and Camera Techniques
00:08:27
Ryan
Yeah.
00:08:27
the_popcorn_podcast
ah serial killer.
00:08:28
the_popcorn_podcast
I'm tying down this very specific. ah They're like threat and they're. Yeah, I mean, but there is some scenes in this that it might not be in the true most true sense, like a modern day horror movie. Definitely, if you're going to consider it a horror movie, it definitely falls more into like the old school 70s, 80s style, where it's not a lot of jump scares, more just tension building. But there are two jump scares.
00:08:49
Ryan
Yeah.
00:08:50
the_popcorn_podcast
I don't even of the know the ones on purpose. um The one's very early on in the movie.
00:08:54
Ryan
The first one.
00:08:56
the_popcorn_podcast
It's pretty much just the title crawl. Not the title crawl, it's the title screen pops up. It scared the shit out of me because I was not expecting it in the sequence. um And there's one a little bit later in the movie, which I knew, which was a non-purpose jump scare, which really got me to jump a little bit. But I think something that has really talked about in this movie so much is that there are some actually like laugh out loud scenes. Like i um my theater at least laughed like out loud as like a group multiple times.
00:09:25
Ryan
when i don't i don't remember laughing at all oh yeah
00:09:29
the_popcorn_podcast
Well we laughed at when the girl when ah this is in this place is kind of in the trash just you don't see here what she says. oh When the girls like dad that creepy guys like I just the entire theater just laughed. like stuff like that it was very much early in the movie before anything seriously starts happening because then after once it this movie i won't say gets going because it from the beginning it had me like invested i want to know where it was going it definitely once it hits like oh this is where like we're gonna start getting like into the story into the uh what's going on definitely does not let up in the dread that's right because i
00:10:01
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that, that opening scene, that, that jump scared me. That one got me when it just cuts to, you know, Nicolas Cage.
00:10:10
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, when because he like because the way the camera said you can't see his face and they dropped down So you should get his see see his face and it does like the look the long legs Which I thought great opening scene first off.
00:10:13
Ryan
He's so close to the gamer.
00:10:18
Ryan
Yeah. But also. Yeah, it was. It really, it really set it up, but also the next scene with like the opening FBI scene going up, showing like door to door.
00:10:27
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh Yeah Yeah didn't go well
00:10:28
Ryan
That scene really set the mood because that that dude, I mean, just immediately was like, all right, we're in. This is this is the type of movie we're going to be watching now. Just just got me right right in the mood for it.
00:10:43
the_popcorn_podcast
And there was there was something me and my brother talked about as soon as we walked out. The use of a stationary camera in this movie was so perfect for the type of movie we were watching. Like how they would set they would set the camera up and the people would move into the shot. It wasn't like we're watching the camera move and we moved to see the people. Does that make sense? Like how they would have it set up to like a corner and the people would move to it?
00:11:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:11:09
the_popcorn_podcast
And it like, at least for me, it made me feel so much more immersed into the movie. Maybe it was, I was like, Oh, I'm in this scene. Like I'm right here with these people.
00:11:17
Ryan
yeah
00:11:19
the_popcorn_podcast
And the way they, most of this film is close up and it's definitely a lot more tighter angles, which I think all works so well with the story and the idea and the characters. Cause I mean, I thought about Nicolas Cage all after seeing it.
00:11:31
Ryan
Yeah, I agree.
00:11:35
Ryan
Yeah, it does a good job of putting you in the scene. like you It feels like you are the camera. you're You're the fly on the wall watching all of this happen. It does a very good job of that. And that's a major part to the tone. Like I said, it it sets the tone very early on. It's very eerie and moody throughout the whole thing. There's obviously, like you said, a little bit of, you know, comic relief in there, but it, it always fits. It never draws you out. it It always keeps you invested, um, throughout what's going on with everybody. So it's, it's just a great movie. Like on a technical level, like I said, it's, it's just very, very well made. Um, yeah.
00:12:14
the_popcorn_podcast
And yeah, I don't, well, from here I feel like it's kind of hard to talk about the movie without getting more into it and talking a little bit more into the spoilers. So if you just wanted to hear a beginning half of this, non-spoiler part of this episode, I would definitely say probably click off now, go watch the movie, come back and listen to us. Because yeah, for the rest of this, we're definitely gonna get to talk more into the spoilers because it's not a very long movie. I think the actual screen time of the movie, they think this is an hour 36 minutes, totally count it as an hour and 41. And yeah, there's not a lot that we can say without spoiling secret certain sequences.
00:12:45
the_popcorn_podcast
So yeah, go click off, come back later. And yeah, so we're gonna get into spoilers now. The first kind of like spoiler I want to talk about though, I want to talk about Nicholas Cage's actual look, because I don't want to tell people what he looks like if they haven't seen the movie yet.
00:12:58
Ryan
Yeah.
00:12:59
the_popcorn_podcast
He looks like
00:12:59
Ryan
Looks like he breathes unbelievably loud.
00:13:04
Ryan
You know what I mean? Like he, that dude breathe, he's a mouth breather for sure. And it's not on purpose.
00:13:08
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, he's 100% a mouth-breather. He does.
00:13:10
Ryan
Like he, yeah.
00:13:10
the_popcorn_podcast
You watch when the movie mouth-breathes.
00:13:13
Ryan
100%.
00:13:13
the_popcorn_podcast
He, um...
00:13:13
Ryan
I mean, and no the, the schnoz is unbelievable.
00:13:14
the_popcorn_podcast
I'm sorry, continue.
00:13:17
the_popcorn_podcast
He scared the fuck out of me. I mean, if I saw... I had a dream. My first nightmare, I don't have many nightmares about movies, and I don't even know if this was a nightmare. I was just in a store, and I was walking around, and he was in the store. He didn't interact with me. He wasn't looking at me. I just saw him twice in the store, and I woke up like, scared the shit out of me.
00:13:37
Ryan
Okay.
00:13:37
the_popcorn_podcast
And it was such a unique look. Cause he, I mean, he looks like a, a swollen, uh, Marilyn Manson, not Charles Manson, Marilyn Manson.
00:13:41
Ryan
Yeah.
00:13:50
the_popcorn_podcast
You know what I'm talking about?
00:13:50
Ryan
Yeah. I know exactly what you're talking about. That's pretty good.
00:13:53
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:13:53
Ryan
Yeah. the He just looks scary. He looks creepy. He looks like a freaking freak. um Yeah.
00:13:58
the_popcorn_podcast
And the voice that he used was so good. And then all of a sudden in the interrogation sequence, when he drops that like high pitched voice, That interrogation scene scared the shit out of me. Not even scared me, it was just so uncomfortable to watch. And of course it takes a very drastic turn at the end of it.
00:14:16
Ryan
Yeah. I almost wish there was less blood in that scene. So you could see more of like, cause you could see like his bones sticking out a little bit, but I feel like there was so much blood on his face that it kind of covered it up too much.
00:14:26
the_popcorn_podcast
Well he was slamming his face back onto the blood though so it was probably just
00:14:29
Ryan
Do you know what I mean? I mean, he was yeah, he was hitting it real hard, but I kind of wish there was a little bit less blood so you could see more because like, obviously, the makeup was fantastic throughout the whole movie with with his, you know, prosthetics on his face. And then I wish you could kind of see that makeup shine through a little bit more because that's, there's not a ton of like, blood in the movie except for like certain scenes and it ramps up pretty fast but it was kind of the first time you see blood in the movie besides the the flashbacks and the pictures and stuff but um
00:15:02
Ryan
yeah i wish you kind of saw a little bit more of it when he finally kills himself slams his face into but
00:15:10
the_popcorn_podcast
But yeah, no I and I like that I did like though the
00:15:11
Ryan
blood
00:15:14
the_popcorn_podcast
the minimal blood because as you say when there is blood it comes quick and it's a lot in that sequence but in total for a horror movie about a serial killer it's not over the top with like the blood in the box it's very quick violence and directly it's important of what's gonna what they're showing you is on purpose and the another scene ahead
00:15:15
Ryan
in the movie.
00:15:21
Ryan
Yeah. No.
00:15:29
Ryan
Yeah.
00:15:39
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, did you like, the did you, I, me and my brother didn't notice, my brother noticed more than my mom did. Did you know, how many times did you notice the demon?
00:15:48
Ryan
Oh, I noticed him a bunch. The creepiest shot in the whole movie was when she's figuring out the the triangle with all the birthdays and you see it through the window.
00:15:54
the_popcorn_podcast
And it's behind her. Wait, you saw, oh, in the library?
00:15:57
Ryan
It's kind of behind her, but then she looks out the window and it's like fades out real fat. Oh, that creeped the shit out of me. But yeah, I mean, you see it a lot.
00:16:03
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, you know, you know the scene when she guessed the letter in her house? before the scene you're talking about.
00:16:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:10
the_popcorn_podcast
he It's in the house with her.
00:16:10
Ryan
Mm hmm. Is it?
00:16:13
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, it's the first time, it was at least the first time I noticed it.
00:16:13
Ryan
I don't.
00:16:16
the_popcorn_podcast
She's sitting there and it's kind of like, because the whole time you can see like the door behind her, like the kitchen, and then it cuts down.
00:16:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:23
the_popcorn_podcast
It shows her circling things to try and figure out. And it cuts up pretty quickly and then back down again. And it's all of a sudden it's the demons there for like a half second and it cuts back down, bagelman's gone.
00:16:30
Ryan
It's there.
00:16:35
Ryan
Yeah, I don't know if I noticed that because I was I was trying to look in that door because it like in any movie you'll leave a door open behind a character.
00:16:35
the_popcorn_podcast
And it was just a really creepy,
00:16:42
Ryan
Something's going to show up but I must have missed that.
00:16:43
the_popcorn_podcast
There's a reason.
00:16:44
Ryan
Yeah.
00:16:45
the_popcorn_podcast
I like that whole sequence, though, with the with her at her house. I mean, when she's out there, she see you see him in the house. Very specific.
00:16:52
Ryan
Yeah.
Character Analysis and Setting
00:16:54
the_popcorn_podcast
And that whole, why the fuck you would get a house the where she is? Horrible idea ever.
00:16:59
Ryan
Dude, that is the creepiest house ever. Like that is it's terrifying.
00:17:03
the_popcorn_podcast
It can't look cool anytime. That sounds horrible.
00:17:05
Ryan
No, no.
00:17:07
the_popcorn_podcast
But yeah, I liked, uh, I liked actually going back and seeing each of the murders, like, even though you don't get in full depth what happens. I mean, except for the one with the axe, you definitely see what happens there.
00:17:20
Ryan
Yeah.
00:17:20
the_popcorn_podcast
But a lot of the time they just kind of tell you what happens. They don't fully show every single one of the killings because there is a lot, but There was this, I think a scene that nothing crazy happens. I mean, you find out a big chunk of the story, but when, um, her and agent, agent Carter, when they go to the barn for the first time and they're searching, it's just the two of them.
00:17:41
Ryan
Yeah.
00:17:42
the_popcorn_podcast
The fact that there was no other light besides the flashlights.
00:17:45
Ryan
Mhm.
00:17:47
the_popcorn_podcast
So nerve wracking. And then when she starts going up the steps and there's only the crucifix on the ground, just very, especially I think coming from.
00:17:49
Ryan
Yeah.
00:17:57
the_popcorn_podcast
people that are have went to college school and all stuff like that definitely for me at least I was like oh my god this is super like I could feel like the not being like oh this doesn't feel right like all those kind of things and I feel like for anyone that believes in the devil and God and anything this move definitely hit harder I think for those type of people than people who don't
00:18:07
Ryan
Yeah.
00:18:19
Ryan
Yeah, I think so. Yeah. But I didn't like. When they finally get to the top floor and find like the dollar and stuff, was that light coming through from the lights outside or was it just daylight because it got so bright all of a sudden and even.
00:18:32
the_popcorn_podcast
When they're actually looking at the doll, like when the camera's on the- No, I think it's just the one flashlight.
00:18:34
Ryan
Yeah.
00:18:37
the_popcorn_podcast
So, because it's so much closer.
00:18:38
Ryan
No, because there were lights coming through the windows.
00:18:40
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, yeah, maybe it's the car, because I guess from that angle, yeah, the car might have been ahead of the light.
00:18:43
Ryan
I mean, there were lights outside, like in front of the windows, but it was so bright and it kind of like changes. Like they get there and it's kind of dusk and still see a little bit. Then they go in, there's a shot through the door and it's just like pitch black.
00:18:55
the_popcorn_podcast
You know, it's dark.
00:18:56
Ryan
Like I feel like the light was just changing throughout that scene, which kind of, it was kind of creepy, but yeah.
00:19:01
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, creepy. I mean, just every so there's not a non creepy moment is where the whole movie, even the scenes with the concrete are still creepy as scenes. When he starts, I talked about it earlier in the non-spill the part when he goes into the store and the girl like that, the creepy guys here. And then it cuts to him in the car and he starts scream singing. I don't know why that scene was horrible.
00:19:20
Ryan
yeah
00:19:23
the_popcorn_podcast
that like Not bad, like in a bad way horrible in a good way, like. I felt so like, why am I watching this? This is horrible. This is making me feel very uncomfortable. And I don't know if stuff like that, I think really like the scene when it's a he's sitting in the basement in his like basement crafting room. He's just sitting on the bed in like his long john pants with the red light.
00:19:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:19:46
the_popcorn_podcast
You know what I'm talking about?
00:19:47
Ryan
I know. Yeah. I know what you're talking about. It was very freaky.
00:19:50
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, like stuff like that. Like it didn't need to jump scare me. It was just creepy. Like scary is the wrong way. It's just disturbing, creepy, and evil. That's like the best words to describe this movie.
00:20:02
Ryan
Yeah, absolutely I agree Yeah, I thought she's pretty good yeah, I mean it would
00:20:05
the_popcorn_podcast
Did you like, uh, did you like the girl? Did you like Harper in the way that she was? Harker?
00:20:18
Ryan
It kind of got a little bit overgrown how she was so monotone the entire time. It was, you know, it was a little bit boring to watch sometimes just cause she was so very one note, but I think she did a very good job. Like Mike and Monroe did really, really well.
00:20:35
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, because I liked because the way I took it wasn't even monotone I had it in my head at least it was like Knowing you see something like there's those people out in the world They're just so good at something or they're so smart that they have no like social queue That's how I that's how I kept seeing her I was like, oh maybe she's just so but then you kind of learn more about her and you kind of understand why she is the way she is but
00:20:51
Ryan
Mm-hmm
00:21:01
Ryan
Yeah, like I mean The girl in the mental hospital
00:21:01
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, I definitely agree. She was so one note at certain times. I was like, okay, like I would like a little more character, but I love the scene with her and the little girl when they're first talking.
00:21:14
the_popcorn_podcast
No, no, no, that seems scary. Um, no, the, the, the agent Carter's daughter, man, when he's sitting in her room.
00:21:19
Ryan
Oh, yeah, his daughter. Yeah, yeah.
00:21:22
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, that I love that whole like idea of that scene and how uncomfortable she is. She's like, so do you want to go to her birthday? And she just doesn't even talk to her. She's like nods her head really. She's like, yeah, yeah sure. Like that was when I really was enjoying it. And then finally other stuff because the whole movie, like now it's just like to me, it was just creepy. and I'm trying to like specifically put it to scenes.
00:21:45
Ryan
Yeah, I mean, it was just a tone the whole way.
00:21:45
the_popcorn_podcast
Did you have a favorite scene?
00:21:47
Ryan
um I really don't know if I had a favorite scene. It was was very samey in a good way throughout the whole movie. like not No scene really like stood out to me as being better than another or worse than another.
00:22:02
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, makes sense. Did you? ah How about did you see the twist coming at all?
00:22:08
Ryan
The twist with the with the mom.
00:22:10
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:22:12
Ryan
I didn't see that coming. I figured that he was probably in the basement When, you know, the in the mental hospital, she says, you know, fear the man downstairs or whatever. And then the the door's locked. I kind of figured that, but I didn't realize, I didn't, it didn't get to me that the mom was helping the entire time. I figured maybe she was, you know, doing something, but the the whole twist I didn't, I didn't see coming, but I thought it was pretty good.
00:22:36
the_popcorn_podcast
you know I like the twist of the mom even though the mom I got faster than the him being in their basement because the whole time they kept saying the man as ah in my head that was just the devil like in hell under grant like beneath us yeah
00:22:36
Ryan
um
00:22:43
Ryan
Really?
00:22:49
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, that was definitely on purpose to try and like throw you off. Cause that, that also makes sense. Cause he says it as well. And then in the interrogation room, he's talking about the devil as the man downstairs. But obviously it's a little bit more literal, um, when it comes to him in the basement, but Tom, yeah.
00:23:05
the_popcorn_podcast
He's actually just downstairs. um Yeah, no, I like the whole twist. I like the stuff with the dolls. I know my dad was not a huge fan of the idea with the doll, but to me, I didn't take it so literally. Like my dad took it as like, they can see with the doll. I took it as more like, like there's like a big thing, like paranormal and stuff like that, that ah there's a conduit.
00:23:25
Ryan
You have to invite it in.
00:23:28
the_popcorn_podcast
Like that's something that the devil just attaches itself to.
00:23:28
Ryan
Oh. All right.
00:23:30
the_popcorn_podcast
And that's just all I took it as.
00:23:31
Ryan
Yeah, I agree. ah Yeah, I also took it as like it's not always in paranormal stuff. I know it's you know big with vampires, but I feel like sometimes in ghost stuff, you have to invite it in. So getting it in the doll and then, you know, they accept the doll bringing it into their house. That's kind of a point of it.
00:23:45
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, yeah, that too.
00:23:47
Ryan
Yeah, that that's kind of what I took it as. um But I I kind of liked it with the dolls. I thought it was pretty cool. It does kind of like make you question it because When, um, in the end, when the mom shoots Lee's doll and you see the like black cloud kind of fall out of her head, so the devil gets out of her. How much, like, obviously she didn't have full control. The devil didn't fully control Lee because of the deal the mom made. Um, but. Like how much control did he have overly? Because the more I was thinking about it, the more I figured maybe like the whole thing would like, is she shy, is she psychic with how she figured out in the, in the first scene with her and how she figured out the the guy's house. I, the more I thought about it, the more I thought maybe that was.
00:24:36
Ryan
the devil pushing her in the right way so that she would you know get the attention from Agent Carter and get put on this case because she was she she was so important to it. like It was just the devil's plan all along to have her get on this case and you know figure it all out and then they come down to her what decision she's going to make in the end. um So yeah, that's, that's what I think that was how she figures out, you know, in the first scene that the guys in that house, it's the devil kind of pushing her in that direction to, you know, play into his game and play into what he wants.
00:25:09
Ryan
But, um, I do wonder if there was any more of it.
00:25:09
the_popcorn_podcast
No, that that's what I thought.
00:25:12
Ryan
Yeah. I don't know.
00:25:12
the_popcorn_podcast
Because I thought maybe because she didn't end up the way that most of them did, that maybe there was a reason behind that he needed her to like, kind of like push forward this idea and get closer to this, like the devil needed the devil long legs, whatever you want to say, needed help in this mission that they had in its mind.
00:25:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:25:27
Ryan
The devil.
00:25:31
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, I guess the devil could long legs really just like a helper.
00:25:34
Ryan
Nicholas Cage is the long legs.
00:25:34
the_popcorn_podcast
And
00:25:36
Ryan
Yeah.
00:25:37
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, because he is long ways. That whole. Yeah, I love I really enjoyed the ending and I liked. Something I was finding really interesting throughout the movie was seeing each of the member when we first talked about this movie when the first posters were coming out.
00:25:54
Ryan
Yeah.
00:25:55
the_popcorn_podcast
I it was fun find like seeing each poster eventually.
00:25:59
Ryan
Yeah, I agree.
00:26:00
the_popcorn_podcast
like that's where i was having like fun with it could you see the see the mom sitting on the chair with the with her belly ah you see that the house no you see the none which was The Nun was a great scene like I just liked seeing it like that actual the moment when she's in the costume and stuff for the first time yeah the suit and I liked seeing that I liked the look of it I like that you see that at this point at least during the time the moms doesn't want to be helping in this but over time you see that becomes easier and easier to her
00:26:34
Ryan
Yeah, of course. Like she, you know, she's kind of disgusted with herself after the first one. I took that the scene with the the farmers when she runs out. I took that as probably that was her first time helping. um But then obviously later on, you see with Agent Carter's family, she's just numb to it now. And I think that's why she is the way she is. She's just gotten so numb to it and realized that, you know, she's probably going to hell.
00:26:59
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, she's not gonna, she's not gonna.
00:26:59
Ryan
And so she's just so monotone and so fucked up that she you know, that's why she talks the way she does the whole time. um Yeah. It's creepy. Did you was it creepy to you how like the dolls looked underneath with like the yellow eyes when they really because I I mean, it it is creepy.
00:27:13
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh my god, horrifying. Yeah, kept creeping me out.
00:27:18
Ryan
The only reason I think creep me out and I'll send you a picture because I took a screenshot in the twenty one pilots music videos. The bad guy has like the exact same look with like the yellow eyes, Niko.
00:27:30
the_popcorn_podcast
um
00:27:31
Ryan
I was like, dude, that's that's not, that's not that devil as Niko. That's fucking, he's fine.
00:27:34
the_popcorn_podcast
Well, I've never seen the the music videos.
00:27:36
Ryan
I know, but I just sent you a picture. It looks like that it's the same like yellow eyes. Every time I saw it, I was like, I know where they got that from.
00:27:47
the_popcorn_podcast
he's fine
00:27:49
Ryan
I just thought it was funny. didn't I just thought it was funny to see that every time. I'm like, wait, I can't think of what that is.
00:27:52
the_popcorn_podcast
yeah If I saw that before, I probably would have felt different.
00:27:56
Ryan
Yeah. But, um, yeah, I thought it was a really cool concept.
00:27:58
the_popcorn_podcast
they um You know, I like the design of the dolls.
00:28:01
Ryan
but
00:28:02
the_popcorn_podcast
I liked, you know what I really liked? The one family murders the one when the dad uses the axe on them.
00:28:08
Ryan
Yeah. And the priest.
00:28:09
the_popcorn_podcast
How you see the dad and the mom treating the doll when the girl's not home.
00:28:13
Ryan
Yeah.
00:28:14
the_popcorn_podcast
That was so eerie to me and so just weird.
00:28:14
Ryan
Like it's their own daughter.
00:28:17
Ryan
Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah, ah I agree. I do think, and it's, it's also cool. Like looking back again, that was the girl that survived Carrie Ann who they meet in the hospital. So she probably was out of the house on purpose so that she would survive the devil, you know, is his plan all along to have her talk to Lee later on years later and do all that. But I will say with that scene. Again, with the writing, I feel like, what's the actress's name?
00:28:50
Ryan
Kiernan Shipka did a fine job playing that character, but the way she talks needed so much thicker of an accent.
00:28:52
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:28:58
Ryan
Do you know what I mean? Like she talked with, she was so stupid and just had all those like dumb words where she was like, and they's going to get you and like talking like that, but she had like no Southern accent.
00:29:05
the_popcorn_podcast
I don't think she.
00:29:12
Ryan
You know what I mean? Like it was just throwing me off how she was talking the way she was, but the accent was like not there. I don't know. It was just a weird thing that I noticed. I was like, why the fuck are you talking like this? Is it like, yeah, but it it was just like a very weird thing of like, why do you talk in this like thick, like
00:29:27
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, like you weren't a huge fan of just like the voice and like the way she'd spoke and all that.
00:29:41
Ryan
the what The word she used was like a very specific thing where she didn't have the right accent. It just kind of threw me off. It's like it's not important, but it's it's just a little thing I couldn't get out of my head.
00:29:52
the_popcorn_podcast
Fair enough. I did like when she uh
00:29:59
the_popcorn_podcast
I liked, um what was I gonna say? Oh, when they go to see her for the first time, I'm like, oh, can we see the check-in? And it's her name. And just what you were saying, it was all a plan to get to this final point where the film's gonna end.
00:30:06
Ryan
Yeah.
00:30:11
Ryan
Yeah, it was all a plan to see what Lee would choose in the end.
00:30:12
the_popcorn_podcast
And well, with a plan.
00:30:15
Ryan
And, you know, it'll be interesting. I wonder if there will be a sequel. I doubt it, but there is a little bit more to like go into and and see what happens with, um, with Carter's kid.
00:30:24
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, because i I don't think he wants to make a sequel. I wouldt i don't want a sequel because
00:30:27
Ryan
I doubt it. I doubt it. This is one.
Themes of Possession and Control
00:30:30
the_popcorn_podcast
I would just make me mad at this point.
00:30:32
Ryan
Yeah, like it's it's perfectly open ended where you can like think of further things to happen. And, you know, maybe there's more like the devil could still do more. Maybe there's another helper out there. But you don't. This is a movie that doesn't need a sequel. It was like perfectly open ended where you can still think about what will happen next, but you don't need to see it. um But yeah, I really liked the ending. I thought it was well done. It was pretty suspenseful. I did like how like when ah Carter and his wife go back into the kitchen, the mom was like, she's already dead.
00:31:03
Ryan
Don't worry about it. You just hear her getting murdered in the background.
00:31:06
the_popcorn_podcast
that see That scene made me so upset. like it was just i didn't like them You could hear like squirming and yelling and stuff in the kitchen. I didn't like that.
00:31:14
Ryan
Yeah.
00:31:15
the_popcorn_podcast
That made me so, like, just...
00:31:17
Ryan
Yeah. You can also see her kind of like breaking out of it, too. Like Carter is fully taken over and you see her kind of like the look she gives Lee was almost like a help me look. You know what I mean? Where she kind of like breaks off of the script.
00:31:31
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, there was nothing like Cam ah Carter was fully like taken away and the wife still look like it's like she wasn't saying what she wanted to say but she was looking like as if she was scared.
00:31:36
Ryan
yeah Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And like the way she she fucked up and was like, the The way Carter goes and leaves like I need a knife to cut the cake. She's like, do you need a knife? And like she definitely was not in her own mind. The devil had taken her over, but she was still fighting back a little bit, which made it even worse when you hear you're getting killed because there was still a little bit left over. You know, Carter was fully gone, but there was a little bit left in her. But I do wonder if she were if we were to have shot the doll, would it have gotten
00:32:15
Ryan
Would it have saved them the way like it probably would have gone out of the little girl's head like it did with Lee. But do you think it would have saved the parents too? Like it would have kind of broken them out of the out of that spell, I guess.
00:32:29
the_popcorn_podcast
I don't know if it cause it all it's more like it's like very much like an amityville kind of situation where the dad's always ends up being like the bad one it but it kind of seems like the kid maybe just becomes like infatuated with the doll and it kind of keeps their attention i don't know it was kind of a weird thing so i don't know if they kill the dollar would change the parents i don't know
00:32:48
Ryan
I don't know. I mean, I'm not sure because it's it's always like, I don't think it's the kid. I don't think it has much to do with the kid. I think it's more so the doll is just like a conduit that, you know, they invite into their house and then the devil through the doll is able to possess everybody and just, you know, have the dad or whoever commit all these murders. I don't I don't think it has as much to do with the kids as it kind of made it seem. But ah yeah.
00:33:12
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, like it's more that they and it can get into the house because of the kids won't end up being a doll. But then it affects the parents. Is that how you think of it?
00:33:20
Ryan
Yeah.
00:33:21
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:33:21
Ryan
Mm hmm.
00:33:21
the_popcorn_podcast
OK. And I just want to say Carter gets dropped like a bad habit.
00:33:27
Ryan
Yeah. Let's have a fight, though.
00:33:28
the_popcorn_podcast
Then I loved.
00:33:29
Ryan
He took one of the shoulder and just kept marching on.
00:33:32
the_popcorn_podcast
Do you realize she only had four bullets?
00:33:36
Ryan
Yeah.
00:33:37
the_popcorn_podcast
Yes, she had four bullets and a six shooter.
00:33:40
Ryan
Well, unless but she tries to shoot the doll at the end, but It could have been the devil just not letting her shoot the doll, you know, like fucking up the rounds. She could have had six in that gun.
00:33:50
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh yeah, doesn't doesn't she say like, oh fuck you or something?
00:33:53
Ryan
Yeah, like she was, I don't know, it could have been something other than her just not having enough ammo.
00:34:00
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh!
00:34:00
Ryan
I don't know.
00:34:01
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, I don't know. Wait, does she shoot Carter's three times or four times?
00:34:05
Ryan
I thought it was twice because she shoots.
00:34:07
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh yeah, she shoots him in the shore and then shoots him in the...
00:34:09
Ryan
I think it was twice and then she shoots the mom, so that's three and then.
00:34:09
the_popcorn_podcast
But then she shoots him in the wrong way. Yeah, so I guess she should have had at least one more round. I don't know.
00:34:14
Ryan
at least.
00:34:15
the_popcorn_podcast
Maybe maybe I'm wrong.
00:34:15
Ryan
Yeah.
00:34:15
the_popcorn_podcast
Maybe there is a four shooters that I just don't know of. um But I'm very happy that she had another gun on her. Because a lot of they do talk about a lot that a lot of like FBI guys like that have like ankle guns and she did.
00:34:23
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah. It was good.
00:34:28
Ryan
Mm hmm. Especially then and especially like for a woman, you kind of have to do that.
00:34:33
the_popcorn_podcast
Hey, I gotta keep a secondary.
00:34:34
Ryan
Like we were saying, like, you know, yeah, it's got to be tough.
00:34:37
the_popcorn_podcast
Do what about the one FBI agent getting blown away in the car?
00:34:41
Ryan
Oh yeah, that was nuts. I was, I was wondering what that was.
00:34:44
the_popcorn_podcast
i That was a great shot of her reacting.
00:34:47
Ryan
Yeah.
00:34:48
the_popcorn_podcast
It's the poster.
00:34:48
Ryan
Yeah, it really was. Mm-hmm. Cause as soon as, as soon as she like noticed the car in the, uh, in the barn and then not born, but like the garage, but o she got blasted and the fact the mom went around to the other side and got her a again, like, Oh my God.
00:34:51
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah,
00:34:55
the_popcorn_podcast
yeah she, like, started making it up.
00:35:00
the_popcorn_podcast
That's blast.
00:35:04
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah! Like, got her once, definitely wasn't walking away. Wasn't even getting away.
00:35:09
Ryan
Yeah.
00:35:09
the_popcorn_podcast
Then just walks the other side to get an even closer shot.
00:35:12
Ryan
Unbelievable.
00:35:14
the_popcorn_podcast
Great. That was like another mode where it's just like, it doesn't need to be super scary. It's just the actual action of someone doing that is creepy. It's disturbing.
00:35:22
Ryan
Yeah.
00:35:23
the_popcorn_podcast
And that's just the best part of this.
00:35:24
Ryan
And then Yeah.
00:35:25
the_popcorn_podcast
That's, I've said it a hundred times. The disturbing stuff is what makes this movie so good and that they weren't. And it was just showing you that people are just, there are just evil actions. And in this world, in this story, it's the devil that's causing these evil actions. But yeah, I mean, beginning to end, had me invested, I was very happy with it. I loved that when it would go back in time, like show like the killings and stuff, it had the, the, oh my God.
00:35:52
Ryan
It was like super eight. Like it was the square aspect ratio.
00:35:54
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, it was super eight, and then it would go back to widescreen, and then they did the shot of her where it opens from super eight to widescreen.
00:35:56
Ryan
Yeah, it looked good.
00:36:01
the_popcorn_podcast
Ooh, ooh, love that. Yeah, and that, That opening scene was so well done, with like the snow and her in the upstairs coming outside, talk.
00:36:14
Ryan
Yeah.
00:36:16
the_popcorn_podcast
When he says Yoo-hoo, oo-coo-coo, I'm sorry.
00:36:19
Ryan
Yeah.
00:36:19
the_popcorn_podcast
And he's leaning around the building and leans back. Oh, hell fucking no.
00:36:23
Ryan
It was freaky as shit. I also loved in the in the opening scene with the title card being like blood red, super bright. The way it fucks with your eyes for when it fades in and everything looks like black and white, like it fucks with my eyes so much.
00:36:36
the_popcorn_podcast
oh It's so bright Yeah, like the ah Yeah, and then the scene when they find you get long legs and he's just standing at the bus stop So I just love how simple was it was no like fight to get him.
00:36:38
Ryan
I thought it was going to be like black and white for the opening scene. And then, it you know, just the way my eyes kind of like faded back into color. It just was very cool how the the bright as red just really fucked with your eyes just physically.
00:36:57
Ryan
Yeah.
00:36:59
the_popcorn_podcast
It was just just they pulled up to him His guitar
00:37:00
Ryan
Yeah. He just had all his notebooks on him.
00:37:05
Ryan
Yeah.
00:37:06
the_popcorn_podcast
And then I love watching the VHS of his, of him being in the interrogation when we start singing happy birthday.
00:37:13
Ryan
Yeah. And he's looking at everybody like you're invited.
00:37:14
the_popcorn_podcast
Ooh. Yeah.
00:37:17
Ryan
You're invited.
00:37:17
the_popcorn_podcast
You're so, such a distinct, like important, like just such a low, like, like everyone's probably like, why I'm like, Oh, it's like, Oh, it's just creepy.
00:37:18
Ryan
Happy birthday.
00:37:25
the_popcorn_podcast
But like, there's more to that. Like to me, at least that's like more to that, that he knows where everyone is. I don't know.
00:37:31
Ryan
Yeah.
00:37:32
the_popcorn_podcast
It was just, it was so creepy, so cool. And then the interrogation scene, for those who don't know, they did release, they released footage of Mika Monroe the first time that she sees Nicholas Cage, which was the interrogation scene.
00:37:35
Ryan
Yeah.
00:37:44
the_popcorn_podcast
She was not allowed to see him on set or allowed to interact until they filmed the scene. And they, her heartbeat got so loud, they picked up on her mic. and watching the actual like the release clip of them like doing it in real time. So cool, especially then to get the watch scene and see what she saw for the first time. And if you just walk into a room and you're expecting Nicolas Cage, and that's what you see that.
00:38:07
Ryan
Yeah.
00:38:08
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, yeah, dude, my heart rate.
00:38:10
Ryan
Creepy as hell.
00:38:12
the_popcorn_podcast
i I wish I had like an apple. I would have loved to check my heart because if we were halfway home from the movie and it was still like you could I could feel it in my neck beating.
00:38:20
Ryan
Really? See I did.
00:38:21
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, like I don't know. It was so uneasy to me. And it wasn't like it wasn't scary. It was just so creepy to me. Like it was so uncomfortable that my heart just was like, Oh, this is not good. And it was I don't know.
00:38:32
Ryan
Yeah, I don't know.
00:38:33
the_popcorn_podcast
Yes.
00:38:33
Ryan
I wasn't really that scared the whole time.
00:38:34
the_popcorn_podcast
Fuck with me.
00:38:35
Ryan
I will say the creepiest part was the fucking dude. I went by myself and it was like a group of four in front of me. And I was like, I was in that like side theater, you know, at Regal, there's like the side theater that's a little smaller.
00:38:48
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, yeah.
00:38:48
Ryan
It's, um, I was in that first, like it's the second row in, but it's the first like full row. And then there's like a couple of chairs behind spaced out.
00:38:57
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:38:57
Ryan
There was a dude, I mean, I, I saw him that he had taken that seat when I was buying the tickets, but there was a dude just in like the corner by himself.
00:39:05
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh.
00:39:05
Ryan
I was like, what the fuck? And then the movie ends. I stand up and turn around and he's just gone. He just left. I don't know when and I was like, what the fuck?
00:39:12
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, he just left at some point.
00:39:14
Ryan
Yeah. I was like, who the hell was that guy?
00:39:20
the_popcorn_podcast
Damn, dude, I i mean, I genuinely like.
00:39:21
Ryan
It's fucking creep.
Overall Impressions and Ratings
00:39:23
the_popcorn_podcast
I walked out, like the movie ended, it and I was smiling. like I was just so happy, because there are movie there are a lot of times where movies like this that like get you excited, especially in the horror thriller genre, and they just don't turn out good.
00:39:37
Ryan
Yeah, expectations can get so high and then just you get incredibly disappointed, but.
00:39:37
the_popcorn_podcast
and
00:39:43
Ryan
I mean, I think to a point that happened to me because the um ah marketing for this was so creepy. I thought it was going to be much. I thought you were going to see much more of like in the past and see more of the murders. I didn't get as much of that as I as I would have liked. You really only see the one. um But I mean, overall, I wasn't I wasn't very disappointed. Like it it was just a great movie all the way through.
00:40:05
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, that's what I think. like I definitely at first was like, oh, this is gonna be like a true horror movie, which it's not. And maybe that's just the the marketing team just had, they did a great job getting everyone to get into the theater. And I mean, don't get me wrong, still leaving this theater, I was still, it still scared me. Like I was still, it didn't scare me in the way like a paranormal activity scared me or Hell House. This was like real thoughts of like the devil scared me. And especially when you don't think like, i I'm not so walking around every day like all the devil.
00:40:33
Ryan
Yeah.
00:40:38
the_popcorn_podcast
But then like when a movie like that in my head, I'm like, wow, that like this does happen. feel Like Amityville is one of the which is a true story, a true murder that happened. That was because it's supposed to do.
00:40:47
Ryan
Yeah. Brian Reynolds actually did all that.
00:40:49
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, right around the remake and.
00:40:50
Ryan
Crazy.
00:40:53
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, which it's something like that scared me.
00:40:54
Ryan
Yeah.
00:40:56
the_popcorn_podcast
But I just I just want to say something really cool.
00:40:56
Ryan
Yeah.
00:40:58
the_popcorn_podcast
I did not know this until um right before the movie came out. I i think I don't think I'd ever talk to you about it. So Oscar Perkins, he did the Gretel and Hansel movie by a 24 hour movie.
00:41:07
Ryan
Yep.
00:41:09
the_popcorn_podcast
Not horrible. Not great. But I didn't know his dad's Anthony Perkins from psycho.
00:41:14
Ryan
Yeah, from Psycho. Yeah.
00:41:16
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, so that's another cool thing. And now it makes sense why he' he doesn't watch. He said a whole thing. He doesn't watch modern day horror movies. He doesn't think there is good. And that's and now looking seeing who his dad was makes a lot more sense to me why he feels this way because he definitely grew up on that old school horror, which again, psycho to me.
00:41:30
Ryan
yeah
00:41:34
the_popcorn_podcast
It's one of the scariest movies of all time has stuck with me since I was six years old all the way to now.
00:41:37
Ryan
Yeah.
00:41:40
the_popcorn_podcast
And yeah, so I I mean, I thought it was such just cool detail to be someone who made a movie that's so good, and especially in that like, creepy horror the thriller sense, and then looking back at his dad's one of the ah most infamous horror character people ever.
00:41:55
Ryan
Faces of horror.
00:41:58
Ryan
Yeah, yeah, I think going back to like the the whole marketing thing, I will say I hadn't really thought about it much. It just kind of popped more into my head. I was a little bit like once I figured out or once they, you know, they showed in the movie that it was more so about like the devil and possession and, and you know, hail Satan, all that shit. um You know, I kind of locked in and I was like, all right, this is what this movie is going to be about. That's fine. It was just still good. But I did think the marketing was most misleading because I thought it was going to be just like a straight up serial killer thriller where Nicholas Cades was just a serial killer going through and she was going to go through and.
00:42:36
Ryan
You know, I have to track him down through through the decades and that that was kind of like the the first pictures that were released like we we were just talking about him. That's what it really made it seem like, which just all these all these photos that were that came out those initial posters. So I was a little disappointed, like. going into how you can get excited for something and then be disappointed very easily. I was a little disappointed at first that it wasn't just that because I thought that would have been awesome. Just having and like a straight up serial killer movie, just tracking them down. But at the same time, like I said, like once I figured out what was going on and what it was really about, I kind of locked in and was like, all right, this is what this is. It's fine. Still good. But it just popped in my head when we were talking about
00:43:20
Ryan
ah Your expectations can get a little too high and you get a little disappointed, but it's it's always good to realize what something is sooner rather than later when you're watching it so that you can kind of avoid that disappointment.
00:43:33
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah. And no, I definitely agree with you because they definitely give. But thank God I kind of been like just leading up to it. You know how excited this was when I most anticipated it was a year right from like the get go of like seeing the person the idea and Nicholas Cage being in it was so cool.
00:43:46
Ryan
Yeah.
00:43:48
the_popcorn_podcast
They. um I even kind of came out with it. So I knew that definitely leaned into the satanic a lot. Cause I, uh, the marketing, like there was a website that was like an old school nineties website and had all the killings and stuff on there that you could read, like in depth, like reports. It was really cool.
00:44:06
Ryan
Yeah.
00:44:07
the_popcorn_podcast
And it definitely was i explained like, Oh, the devil, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. So I was like, so I kind of understood, but I, it definitely was more thriller than I thought it would be.
00:44:16
Ryan
Yeah, which is a good thing.
00:44:17
the_popcorn_podcast
which didn't disappoint me, it was just more like getting used to it. I was like, oh, this isn't like a genuine horror movie. This is a thriller that has horror elements.
00:44:23
Ryan
Yeah, absolutely.
00:44:26
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, and the other jumpscare that I said would bring up that one, the one that really got, was when the when it showed his face and like so it turned white.
00:44:32
Ryan
What was that?
00:44:35
the_popcorn_podcast
Like when she takes a picture of him. No, when she looks at the picture of him.
00:44:37
Ryan
Oh, yeah.
00:44:39
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh my God, I i mean, i me and the guy that was sitting next to jumped.
00:44:39
Ryan
Yeah.
00:44:43
the_popcorn_podcast
Like i i got I got some air time.
00:44:46
the_popcorn_podcast
because I just was not expecting it.
00:44:46
Ryan
Yeah, I jumped.
00:44:48
Ryan
that initial one in the opening scene when it like it cuts back and you see just like his chin and he's like leaning down to her that one that's the one that got me the best because that was like this is the very beginning of the movie I wasn't prepared for it and I just jumped and that mother that creepy ass dude in the corner was probably like who is this dickhead jumping already the guy in front of me jumped too it's great yeah
00:44:54
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah.
00:44:59
the_popcorn_podcast
but
00:45:06
the_popcorn_podcast
I'm shocked you went by yourself. I thought you weren't going to go see it until I could see it. So I was kind of, I thought I was like, Oh, he probably went with someone. I am shocked you went by. I'm genuinely like proud of you.
00:45:15
Ryan
I was ready. The second I knew my dad had seen it, I was like, all right, it's not that scary.
00:45:17
the_popcorn_podcast
That's impressive. yeah Well, just get some.
00:45:22
Ryan
My dad is ter my dad got nightmares from stranger things, dude. My dad cannot handle horror at all.
00:45:29
the_popcorn_podcast
See, like this is scarier to me than stranger things ever has been.
00:45:33
Ryan
Yeah, no, I agree. That's that's my point.
00:45:34
the_popcorn_podcast
Okay. Cool. I made sure that you agreed.
00:45:35
Ryan
like my dad is
00:45:36
the_popcorn_podcast
I wasn't sure you agree with him.
00:45:37
Ryan
No, my dad is such a bitch when it comes to like horror movies or anything like that, that he got nightmares from a stranger things. Ridiculous.
00:45:47
the_popcorn_podcast
I will say there's no association between these two movies. Just the way they made me feel the way that I felt during the first act of men is how I felt for this entire movie.
00:45:59
Ryan
Hmm.
00:45:59
the_popcorn_podcast
Like just the uneasiness, like with the naked man stuff and men is how I felt during this entire movie.
00:46:00
Ryan
I gotcha. Yeah, the suspense of like, Yeah, the suspense of like, when when's he gonna show up again?
00:46:07
the_popcorn_podcast
Like begin to end.
00:46:09
Ryan
What's he gonna do? Where's he gonna be? How's he gonna be? Yeah, I agree. It was the best part of this movie is the tone.
00:46:17
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, cause you're just waiting for more.
00:46:17
Ryan
Absolutely. And it does a such. Yeah, it does such a great job of writing that tone all the way through. Like I said, I didn't think any scene was particularly better or worse than another one. Nothing really stood out because it was just so one tone, one note and in the best way possible throughout the entire movie.
00:46:36
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, no, i thats that's pretty much how I feel. I feel like it it held the same level for me from beginning to end, like of quality, of like filmmaking and my enjoyment.
00:46:43
Ryan
yeah
00:46:47
the_popcorn_podcast
Because there would be scenes that ended, in and I'd be like, wow, that was so crude. And like smiling, because I was like, okay, that was really cool. like The camera, like I loved the, state the stationary camera was probably my favorite. like How it'd be like set up, and they would just move into this. I loved it. I just kept, it was like, every time they did, because they did it a lot in the mom's bedroom when they would talk to her, and they did it in, Uh, her house a lot and that those, that was something I just, every time it came up, I was like, okay, really cool decision.
00:47:09
Ryan
Yeah. Yeah.
00:47:14
the_popcorn_podcast
And to learn that Osgoode Perkins did almost was in the, like, cause a lot of time, um, there's like the chair that's like attached to the camera now, that's why with the bigger cameras, Osgoode Perkins almost always was the person there.
00:47:24
Ryan
Yeah.
00:47:27
the_popcorn_podcast
like the same photographer would get set up and then he would sit and watch instead of watching on like a tablet while it's filming, he would sit right there and look at the camera, which is a little like directing detail.
00:47:27
Ryan
Yeah.
00:47:34
Ryan
Yeah, that's good.
00:47:36
the_popcorn_podcast
But yeah, no, i I genuinely just really enjoyed this movie. I mean, I think people if you're definitely a fan of, I don't think it's up to the of course not gonna be Silence of the Lambs. Silence of the Lambs won three films to win the big five. It's one of the greatest movies of all time. But if you're a fan of that style of a movie, like ah where it's just a serial killer, it's It's not a horror movie for a second, but it has horror elements throughout it. If you're a Nicolas Cage fan, I think this is like the perfect Nicolas Cage role because he gets to be weird and loud in Nicolas Cage, but at the same time just super creepy.
00:48:12
the_popcorn_podcast
So I i think people will really enjoy it. I noticed some people haven't loved it, but then like Letterbox is definitely like Babylon-ing, where it's like either people love it or hate it. So it's been, but I mean, I would recommend it to a horror person.
00:48:23
Ryan
Yeah. I mean, I think it has like a three. I think it has like a three and a half or like a three point six and lighter box as a whole.
00:48:31
the_popcorn_podcast
Yeah, and then when I, the last time I looked, I think it was when it first came out, Ryan, it was lay like either one star, two star, or four and five. Like there was no in between ground yet.
00:48:38
Ryan
Yeah.
00:48:41
Ryan
Mm hmm.
00:48:42
the_popcorn_podcast
So I mean, I, I would recommend it to someone I knew would like a horror or thriller movie. I definitely wouldn't recommend it to someone who doesn't like those kinds of movies.
00:48:51
Ryan
Yeah, totally. It's it's an intense movie.
00:48:54
the_popcorn_podcast
Yes, intense is a very, very good word to explain it. But yeah, I I don't have any more thoughts about it. Again, this is one of those movies where it's not super long and. A lot of the scenes, they're not the same, but the each killing is similar. But yeah, i' like less like last thought, cinematography, fantastic. Every, as Ryan has said, the technical aspect of this movie is extremely well done. And Nicholas Cage is fantastic. And so is ah Monica Monroe. And I'm so excited that she's doing It Follows 2. For those who don't know, It Follows 1. She's also in, she's a star. Very good, go watch it.
00:49:32
the_popcorn_podcast
Um, but yeah, those are my last thoughts. Ryan, what do you, what do you want to want to say?
00:49:36
Ryan
I went on letterbox to look at reviews and one of the first ones I saw was a four and a half stars that just said I shit myself and felt it running down my long legs and I think that's perfect to leave it off with I also want to mention the um the like the very closing shot when you get Nicholas Cage again back in the um The interrogation room a hundred percent.
00:49:49
the_popcorn_podcast
That's funny.
00:49:57
Ryan
That was just an another take that he did where he just kissed at the blue kiss of the camera It was perfect so funny
00:50:04
the_popcorn_podcast
oh Yeah, like that was that was definitely just the entire game scene They're just like and he was just like nah and like all Oscar Perkins like he's like I'm finding a way to put that in my movie But yeah, um, do you have oh we we this I guess the final thing we should say is what what's your what's your score for Ryan?
00:50:09
Ryan
Yeah, he was just going off. Yeah, 100%. It was great.
00:50:22
Ryan
I gave it a four stars on letterbox.
00:50:24
the_popcorn_podcast
Out of a hundred ah I'll put you down for an 83
00:50:24
Ryan
I'd say like 82, 83.
00:50:32
Ryan
All right. What about you?
00:50:34
the_popcorn_podcast
You gave it a higher score than I gave the bike riders.
00:50:34
Ryan
in london I still haven't seen the bike riders. I've heard nothing with disappointment.
00:50:39
the_popcorn_podcast
it's It's not as good as I wanted it to be.
00:50:42
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:42
the_popcorn_podcast
Very bad character development.
00:50:45
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:45
the_popcorn_podcast
Bike riders didn't even reach an 80 for me.
00:50:48
Ryan
Oof.
00:50:49
the_popcorn_podcast
And I was expecting like great. Um, I give an 89, uh, long legs.
00:50:51
Ryan
Yeah.
00:50:54
the_popcorn_podcast
It was, I mean, it's in my top five so far this year. I have it just above in a violent nature, which is at an 87, which you still have to see, which is very different. I'm not associating these movies. They're not on in any way similar, but yeah. Uh, 89 for me, 83 for Ryan. But before we go, Ryan, what is your recommendation of the week for everyone? Let's try, let's try and keep in the same genre for this one. Let's give us like nice umbrella, nice, or you can go hard either side for you.
00:51:16
Ryan
All right. Thriller.
00:51:20
Ryan
All right. Air Bud, the basketball one. um I mean, it's probably a cop out, but Silence of the Lambs is like the best. It's just a fucking great movie. So go watch that. Obviously, I will. That's like a group recommendation from both of us. Sounds of the Lambs is fantastic. ah What else?
00:51:42
the_popcorn_podcast
It is fantastic.
00:51:44
Ryan
So what's a thriller that I like?
00:51:49
Ryan
You think of one, because I gotta keep thinking.
00:51:52
the_popcorn_podcast
I'm ready, I have mine.
00:51:53
Ryan
Then say it.
00:51:54
the_popcorn_podcast
I talked about it earlier in the episode, and Anthony Perkins, Osgoode Perkins' dad, is in it. And of course, it's one of my, it's in my top 30, probably, movies of all time. And that is Psycho, Alfred Hitchcock, at his very best. I know a lot of people like to say Vertigo, but I am very much someone that believes that Psycho is an amazing movie. It is one of the few old horror movies that truly holds up with like today. And yeah, it's truly scary. It's very creepy, great story, great writing, great performances. Amazing, love Psycho.
00:52:24
Ryan
Cool. I looked up thriller movies just to kind of like, you know, refresh my mind. One of the first ones was the beekeeper for some reason.
00:52:35
the_popcorn_podcast
I mean, that's an action thriller.
00:52:37
Ryan
Yeah. All right. Whatever you want to say.
00:52:40
the_popcorn_podcast
Damn, she's got ninety seven.
00:52:40
Ryan
Um,
00:52:44
Ryan
what do we got? Gone girl. There you go. Gone girl.
00:52:46
the_popcorn_podcast
Banger, love that fucking movie.
00:52:48
Ryan
Banger. Fuck that bitch.
00:52:51
the_popcorn_podcast
Such a great performance, Roseman, like you're a dog.
00:52:53
Ryan
as She oh my and Rosamund bike is fantastic, but goddamn she sucks so bad And pumped well, how about the Miller's girl or Miller's girl?
00:52:58
the_popcorn_podcast
Well, you got a recommendation the week. Our group one was signs of lamb. Ryan takes gone girl. I pick psycho. Next episode will be us reviewing the final two episodes of the boys. And then after that, of course, we'll be a House of the Dragon review and a Deadpool review will be coming soon because that comes down a few days now. Yeah, super excited.
00:53:19
Ryan
Oh
00:53:19
the_popcorn_podcast
Oh, Jennifer. Oh, God, I don't know what to do with them. Well, Ryan, you you have the final say, what do you want to what do you want to tell everyone?
00:53:24
Ryan
Martin Freeman.
00:53:27
Ryan
um I mean, go see Longlegs. It's very good, but also watch Silence of the Lambs first so you can kind of understand what you're getting into, because the more I thought about Silence of the Lambs while I was watching Longlegs, the more I was like, God damn, these are almost the same movie. Like there were so many scenes that were just almost ripped straight out of Silence of the Lambs.
00:53:51
the_popcorn_podcast
But yeah, good final take, Brian.
00:53:53
Ryan
Thanks, buddy.