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Fantastic Four (2005)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris get Fantastic and talk about the 2005 version of Fantastic Four as the new movie featuring Marvel's First Family, The Fantastic Four: First Steps, opens in theaters.
Opening in July 2005, Fantastic Four was part of the Fox side of Marvel movies, which also included the X-Men movies, Daredevil, and Elektra. Ioan Gruffudd, Jessica Alba, Chris Evans, and Michael Chiklis are the titular superhero team, given superpowers after being exposed to cosmic radiation during an experiment in Earth's orbit. Victor Von Doom (Julian McMahon), CEO of Von Doom Industries, is also affected and gradually decides to become a supervillain, eventually clashing with the Fantastic Four in the last 20 minutes or so of the movie. Zach and Chris talk about how the Fantastic Four are cause their first big hero moment saving people from a bridge accident, Victor brutally murdering the head of his company's board with zero consequences, X-Games and the other product placement, Jessica Alba constantly being forced to strip, and more.
You can watch Fantastic Four on Disney+. Next week, we're pulling the ripcord with Wesley Snipes and discussing 1994's Drop Zone, which is getting a new 4K release.
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Introduction
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of July 21st, 2025.
2005 Fantastic Four & MCU Connection
00:00:22
Speaker
I'm your host, Zach. I'm your co-host, Chris. And this week we're getting fantastic with the 2005 Fantastic Four, because we got the first entry in the MCU out right now in theaters, Fantastic Four First Steps.
00:00:37
Speaker
um So it's a good time to jump back to the the first official, officially released Fantastic Four movie. And also this movie turned 20 this month. ah got It got released in July 2005.
00:00:49
Speaker
So a double reason to talk about it.
Adaptations Comparison
00:00:53
Speaker
And honestly, we had the there was the Roger Corman-produced Fantastic Four movie that never got released, so that makes this one the first official one. and But there was technically one before it, which is a whole crazy story. think there's a documentary called Doomed you can check out that digs into it, but that's a whole other best.
00:01:12
Speaker
It's a whole different podcast. Yeah. And an entry in the ah one of the entries in the Fox Marvel universe that kind of like I kind of like had a swan song last year in Deadpool Wolverine.
00:01:23
Speaker
That was kind of like the official kind of end of that universe. And we're fully Marvel MCU now.
00:01:33
Speaker
think we were I think we were two X-Men movies in um Daredevil had come out, I think. I think so. maybe Electra had come out, and then Fox was like, alright, who else do we have? Okay, Fantastic Four.
00:01:49
Speaker
well I think Electra was after this? or it might have been. yeah I feel like this did okay. Electra was the same year as this. so they Fox was like double dipping this year.
00:02:00
Speaker
yeah. Let's see how that happened. I would say this was definitely the better of the two.
00:02:08
Speaker
Although, yeah we were talking before we started, like this this movie is a weird...
Unique Style of 2005 Film
00:02:12
Speaker
um especially going back to it it's definitely not what you like i think what modern superhero fans would expect if you haven't seen it before because it's not really a superhero movie it's more of like a like kind of like comedy or like it' kind of like a hangout you just you're just kind of hanging out with these characters then occasionally to do like superhero things well it's it's almost like a um character development movie because there's no urgency for a while. No, no. There's there's no... um It's like everyone kind of learns to be a better person. It's like a growth, you know i mean? Like, the powers, all they did, if you had to just had to kind of boil it down, was it made them better people. Because if they didn't get the powers, like, none of their, like...
00:03:02
Speaker
luck would change or like their ultimate like happiness would come. You know, it's weird because if you think about it, like It's like the cosmic rays healed their friendship and their love. Yes.
00:03:20
Speaker
it's It's such a MacGuffin. And then if you didn't make it into a superhero movie, let's say you made this movie into like a genie movie where they they discovered like a magical creature and it grants them like.
00:03:33
Speaker
Like, just like like a monkey's paw wish. This would be it.
Origins of Powers
00:03:40
Speaker
And then it's like someone probably came over that script and said, hey, let's just make let's just make this a Fantastic Four movie. like we' just Initially, it was that these five friends find a box and it like it curses them.
00:03:52
Speaker
But the curse actually is good. Except for one guy. It enhances like their personality to an extreme degree. Yeah. Okay. So how familiar are you with the Fantastic Four comics?
00:04:07
Speaker
I mean, a little bit. I haven't been... like i've They're not my favorite characters. I'm more of like Spider-Man, Batman, Punisher, that kind of side. You're more vigilante justice this guys, then. Yeah, I haven't read a lot of Fidettes 4.
00:04:20
Speaker
Okay, so I've read a few. I've read different iterations. And in order for the Kazakh Reys to explain what they did... Usually was like the the like crew had a bee near something that gave them the powers that really like Reed was stretching out. And so that's what happened.
00:04:43
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ah Sue was like doused in chemicals. So that happened. and think ah Johnny was close to a fire. So that happened to him like he became fire. The thing I think is just full on bombardment.
00:04:56
Speaker
Like I think everyone should have been the thing. Because it's like he's just unshielded. It's not like he was holding a rock in his hand at the same time. And there's no one else that looks like him.
00:05:09
Speaker
So it's not like he became an alien. He just sort of evolved into a rock monster.
00:05:17
Speaker
Right? Yeah. And Doom, half the time, he's not even there. Like, in a lot of the origins, he is nowhere near that like cosmic rays, but I don't mind that he's there. It sort of, like, skips the whole magic and, like, super science that, like, the movie doesn't want to explain. They want to get kind of grounded.
00:05:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's definitely it's a easier for, like, general audiences to accept, like, that he's also transforming instead of, well, he's got, you know, magical armor. He's studied magic for decades. He also has, like, a master's technology. He, like, runs this country.
00:05:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. It's one of those things where like eight people should have his one job.
00:05:58
Speaker
But, I mean, it's not bad as an origin because it it moves really quick. I think the first ten minutes, like, they go to space. Yes. Yeah.
00:06:10
Speaker
It's not like you want to boil down to how they became friends or any kind of the past things. This
Public Perception vs. Other Narratives
00:06:16
Speaker
movie surprisingly does a good job of explaining the exposition like really quick to get on to the main focus.
00:06:23
Speaker
But the problem is that when we get to the main focus, it takes its time to just to bathe in that. And now you're just watching like roommates argue and bicker. Yeah, it it it but it gets you to like them having powers, but then once they get powers, then it's just like, well, get ready for Them just hanging out in the Baxter building.
00:06:41
Speaker
Like, bouncing off. Having montages and wacky. I think it's like 25 minutes of them just, like, montaging silly things inside the apartment. There's two montages. There's two full montages.
00:06:55
Speaker
But, like, this is before they get the suits. This is before they really start testing their powers. it It really is just like... a whole, like, isn't this kind of, like, weird thing?
00:07:08
Speaker
But the movie kind of explains that it's no rush because Victor Von Dune is paying for all this. Apparently, yeah. And it was, crippling industry that is, like, going into debt.
00:07:23
Speaker
So, I mean, okay, I'm not saying Doom has a point, but, like, he this is all being funded through his, like, his family's company. Or his country's company.
00:07:36
Speaker
And then, like, the stock is tanking. And then he just sort of needs, like, a thing to get them... Blame, yeah.
00:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, well, but blame, but he also was trying to get, like, I think, like, advanced, like, technology through space. Like, I forgot what they were to make up there.
00:08:00
Speaker
I think, so I think Reed and, like, they wanted to study what, because it's a cosmic cloud, which this these two these two movies, like this one and the sequel, are both assessed with clouds, because, like, Galactus in the second one is just a giant cloud.
00:08:16
Speaker
So there's there's a giant space cloud that they want to, Reed wants to study the effects on biological material samples of, like, this cosmic radiation, which says what's, like, like ben Ben goes out in a space suit and he's got like this like these like four test tubes of like whatever but material that is.
00:08:34
Speaker
But then you know it comes way too fast and then they all get exposed to the cosmic radiation. But was goingnna I think it was supposed to be like, oh, we can we can make like pharmaceuticals. we can make like We can study the effect on like DNA and like make new drugs that could cure cancer or something and make millions.
00:08:53
Speaker
So I get the application, because they were trying to do, like, super cosmic science to organic material, I guess. Yeah. I mean, it's sort of, like, forgotten by the halfway point.
00:09:08
Speaker
I think the beginning it just sounds really important. And also, like,
Product Placement Analysis
00:09:12
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it it sort of explains the risk and how everyone just sort of skips, like, astronaut training and just immediately goes to space.
00:09:20
Speaker
Oh, yeah. you you You don't need any sort of training, I think. It doesn't seem like to like go up to Von Doom space station that they've built. ah They don't even explain how they get there and how they come back.
00:09:31
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It just happens. Yep.
00:09:35
Speaker
Usually in a Fantastic Four thing, the group um is also like doing, they've got like space training. So that allows them to go to space and they know what to do.
00:09:46
Speaker
ah And I think like the budget was like, we just cannot do like a space sequence for them to do a launch and then how to explain. We kihu we can't show a space shuttle.
00:09:59
Speaker
I guess so. they They just didn't want to invent one or something. Even, you know, they could have done was just go to Latveria and then it's like, well, we have a Latverian space elevator or something.
00:10:12
Speaker
It just like takes you to the station directly. and one I'm not sure what Von Doom Industries even does because it seems like they're just like everything. have weapons, they're trying to do biological like pharmaceutical stuff, they have a space station...
00:10:28
Speaker
Yeah, it's crazy. The Von Doom like industry is just sort of like... It's the proto-Stark industry where it's like if it's popular enough, like they will be involved in it.
00:10:40
Speaker
I'm surprised he didn't have his own Von Doom cell phone or something. Yeah. But I could see... like You're not supposed to know. It's like a mystery that they may or may not like go into, but It's weird that like the ruler of Laveria is also like this businessman who lives in New York. and I mean, who's managing Laveria?
00:11:05
Speaker
i don't um I don't know if he rules Laveria in this version. i think he just like that's his his home country. oh okay. i yeah I don't think he's like you know i think he's like the dictator of Laveria.
00:11:18
Speaker
Well, you see, it'd be cool if secretly he was, and not just like a really good businessman who bought his way out of Laveria. Yeah. But that's what the comic side of me wants. Not so much the like nip tuck version, but I'm fine with it. Like it, it is surprising how, uh, I didn't mind like, uh, Julian McCann.
00:11:40
Speaker
RIP. I know. oh man. Just, if you have the chance, go check out his performance out in, uh, the house, the murder mystery movie that is in, uh,
00:11:55
Speaker
uh the residents that's it oh the residents okay yeah yeah go check that out super good uh he plays the pie miniature of australia i feel they're definitely playing into like his like nip tuck persona that was going on around this time where like he like he's got like this ever-increasing scar on his face and he's like obsessed with his appearance
00:12:22
Speaker
It was like the whole point of Nip Tuck. He's like a plastic surgeon. and Yeah. And it's just like you've assessed about like his vanity. I mean, in the moot in the Nip Tuck, I actually watched like two seasons a few months ago.
00:12:38
Speaker
And he's great in that. I could see they were like, he should be a Doom. But the problem is is that like he's such a like Americanized playboy that when the Doom part comes in where it's like he should be like this, it just doesn't make any sense.
00:12:57
Speaker
You know, like he's he's evil, but then it's like, okay, mean, actually, let me retract that. It does make sense because he has no real plan. He just sort of shows up and just like terrorizes and then he's surprised he gets defeated.
00:13:13
Speaker
Where, um... I guess if you were, like, comic book accurate Doom, like, he would have some sort of training or or sort of, like, mastery of his his abilities to not just get, like, stuck.
00:13:27
Speaker
It's like, I think it was, like, an issue of, like, I don't know, I can't remember was Squirrel Girl. I think Squirrel Girl defeated Doom with squirrels. yeah It's like a joke.
00:13:39
Speaker
You know, it's like, he just did not prepare for that, and the squirrels got into, like, It was so many squirrels in his like face that he just didn't know what to do
00:13:48
Speaker
But, you know, but it's kind of like that. We got the equivalent of that in this movie. Yeah, because he doesn't really come up with like his like you know evil supervillain plan until like the last 20 minutes. and it's it's more it's and it's more about like getting revenge or like he's mad at Reed because Reed stole
Doctor Doom's Plan and Development
00:14:08
Speaker
Sue back.
00:14:10
Speaker
And it's like, I'm going to destroy their relationships. Oh, also... going to bring closer together. Yeah, and also I'm going Maybe I'll like absorb this power and then I can... say let's I guess what my power is. I can absorb power and zap people.
00:14:29
Speaker
Which i don't I don't think Comic Doom has... I mean, I'm sure he could like use magic or he comes up with way shoot lightning, I don't think lightning is like his main... or like The comics.
00:14:43
Speaker
mean, he's got all kinds different, like, wacky powers, but... Yeah, it's just more wacky powers than... I think he's got beams he can shoot, shoot sir. That he, like... he studied He studied, like, all kinds of technology and magic, and he just incorporated all into, like, his armor.
00:15:00
Speaker
Which, I feel like they they should they like they should have had like a full like armor suit. I guess, because his body's turning into metals, that's the whole thing. But like what of it would have been cool if v had like and like a traditional Latverian armor in his office or something. It's like, oh yeah, it's from my left area it's from my homeland. It's like the traditional guard armor like emperor armor or something. And they that's my war. Because he puts on like ah like he but he gets like the Doom helmet that's like a and like a humanitarian award or something that he got from Latveria.
00:15:30
Speaker
ah and but but it's it's actually like a functioning mask. and do it He does, when he fully turns into Doom, like it does look good. like he like His costume looks good and when he has his hood up and everything. He looks like definitely definitely like one of the best like comic book looks in this movie.
00:15:56
Speaker
Because everyone else just has their fancy spandex blue suits.
00:16:08
Speaker
And then also the ah practical... like Michael Chiklis in like the practical thing, which I appreciate going practical. But it's also like... doesn't really look like a comic book thing. He looks just like Michael Chiklis.
00:16:22
Speaker
but but what do you what you What do you think of the Michael Chiklis... ah like, practical suits. I liked it. I argued that Doom and and Michael Chitlis, like, the the thing, look decent for the time.
00:16:37
Speaker
you You don't get a lot of, ah like, foam armor look. I mean, the thing has to make sense. It does... It's just a little too, like, I guess, just, like, the lighting and whatever color depth.
00:16:54
Speaker
But they at least, like, make sense. You know? Like, it's not like the the thing was wearing, like, instead of, like, orange, he's, like, green.
00:17:05
Speaker
You know? Or he's purple. It's like, they got the just, you don't need to be super crazy. And I do like the Michael Chitlis, like, gruff of him. Oh, yeah. Michael Chitlis is great. Like, he nails the whole, like, you know,
00:17:20
Speaker
Ben being depressed because he's a monster and like like his fiance like walks out at him with like not even giving him an explanation um just like oh you're rock monster now? Bye I'm out of here.
00:17:34
Speaker
And then him like him like trying to like be yeah become become like a like everyone else is fine everyone else is like supermodels and he's like um a giant rock monster now. Oh yeah.
Final Battle at Baxter Building
00:17:45
Speaker
it It kind of like
00:17:50
Speaker
It kind of captures that great essence if you just got into Fantastic Four of that, like, the thing is not used to being the thing so soon. Because by the time you get, like, into, like, crossover Fantastic Four episodes or, like, or just, like, story arcs where you're reading, like, something else, someone else, usually Spider-Man or maybe, like, the X-Men or...
00:18:14
Speaker
Iron Fist for whatever whatever reason back then. Like, Thing shows up and he's just like, hey I'm here to help you, you know, like, that's it. It's not like, oh, I'm so sad on the Thing.
00:18:25
Speaker
You don't get that. But you get that now in this origin story, which I think they're going to avoid that in the new Fantastic Four movie. Yeah, because they like in the MCU one, it looks like they've been they've been in the Fantastic Four for, like, forever.
00:18:39
Speaker
like they've been It's been, like, you know years. Yeah.
00:18:45
Speaker
and and yeah In this movie, it's like there they're like brand new Although, it's weird because it seems like their mission to space was like highly publicized because people know who they are because of the disaster. but then and And then they become even more famous because of the bridge accident.
00:19:03
Speaker
Yeah, so the public is aware of these people and what they're doing. like because the space like this The space station incident, I think it was like seems like it was like highly publicized.
00:19:14
Speaker
And it causes the Von Doom stock to start plummeting. But then people are like, it's like, oh, hey, it's the people from the space station. Now they're like crazy powers.
00:19:27
Speaker
I mean, the public in this movie is terrible.
00:19:31
Speaker
You want to talk about like a totally 2000s crowd of people who are just either like constantly running into danger or like Just like not aware of the world. ah So here's an example.
00:19:50
Speaker
I get it in like in this movie. There's no super super people. Right. This is supposedly the first super people. If they're trying to go for that.
00:20:01
Speaker
I think it would have been a better movie if. There were other super people at the beginning and then, you know, they just wanted to make super science and keep up with right like At this point, there's been Spider-Man movies.
00:20:14
Speaker
There have been at least three Blade movies. I think like two Blade movies up to this point.
00:20:22
Speaker
And at least two X-Men movies. Yeah, they weren't they were really thinking about cinematic universes back then. And you kind of always have to do this thing in these movies superhero movies, early superhero movies, where they're the first of its kind.
00:20:38
Speaker
you know They are the, oh, we're the first superheroes. Or like we are a... In this incident of New York, this is the only like crazy superpower thing going on.
00:20:51
Speaker
So... I think because of that, like the public just sort of hypes up how like like cool abilities they have, but there's no application. like They don't stop Kron.
00:21:04
Speaker
It's not like they they were stopping an alien invasion in the beginning. It's not like they crash land and then immediately like halted a bank robbery. you know like So for the public to be this obsessed with them, it doesn't quite make sense yet because like they haven't done anything yet.
00:21:23
Speaker
so it's The best part is their big kind of like coming out ah like hero moment is caused by them. It's like like Ben causes this giant like accident on the Brooklyn Bridge, and then they save people because of that accident, and they're like everyone's just like, oh right, they're heroes! They saved us from that thing they caused!
00:21:45
Speaker
That is like a conspiracy plot right there. It's like, how do I make myself look like the good guy? Well, I will cause disaster and solve it. And hopefully no one gets killed.
00:21:57
Speaker
Well, so I feel like if people didn't get killed, they got horrifically injured because a bunch of those cars exploded or were mangled. There are people that lost their income.
00:22:08
Speaker
There's a trucker whose truck exploded. You probably see. Fine. I can blame for that. There's like a little girl whose mom or father is alone on that bridge.
00:22:19
Speaker
Where were they?
Comparing Adaptations: Past vs. Future MCU
00:22:22
Speaker
You remember that? Mm-hmm. Uh, the police department that shot the thing? Yep.
00:22:32
Speaker
How about the guy that wanted to jump off the bridge? Yeah. We never get any follow-up. Did he just wait until everyone left and he finished the job? Or did he just... Well, Ben saves him by smashing that truck, and then I think he just ran off.
00:22:47
Speaker
He's just like, well... ah Either yeah either like he's going to try different time, or i' I want to live now somehow, because this giant rock monster... had to follow up, but that guy looked very like noticeable, so we just don't notice him again in the rest of the movie.
00:23:03
Speaker
There's no... like Maybe at the end he shows up and he's like, I want to thank you, Thing, for saving my life. He was on the party boat. He's on the party boat. Maybe like he's the one who helps during the like Victor Von Doom fight or something.
00:23:18
Speaker
None of that comes back.
00:23:22
Speaker
And that's why I think like c certain parts of this movie was written by certain people. like it just like We know that this movie is directed by a guy who's mostly done comedy movies.
00:23:34
Speaker
yeah And in the middle is just a comedy movie. Yes. It's just like opposites a attract comedy movies. it's it's and yet it's it's It's a wacky roommate montage where Johnny is like putting shaving cream on Ben's hand.
00:23:50
Speaker
ah Reed is walking in on Sue in the shower and she turns invisible. Reed's reaching out and grabbing toilet paper from across the hall with his arm. like there it like it's just yeah like And then that's the second wacky montage. And then there's another one where it's like them trying to figure out their powers and it's just like all wacky mishaps happening.
00:24:08
Speaker
okay but like During this time, it's supposed to be implied that that like sue and and and doom are dating i think he thought they were dating or like he was like i could have anyone i want i'm rich but then later she's like well like we were never together i was i was just like i wanted you to be more assertive so she just let him on i guess so yeah for what feels like years
00:24:41
Speaker
Because she's the she's the head of genetic research for Von Doom Industries. And then Doom proposes on the space station and she's like, oh, that's nice.
00:24:51
Speaker
ah No.
00:24:54
Speaker
I think he was going to propose. or and and And then the beat and the beams hit them.
00:25:02
Speaker
we had The cosmic rays of bullshit. Yes. Which, I gotta say, like, the if the special effects of them getting hit by the rays of the cosmic cloud is just like... There's there's a lot of special effects that don't hold up with this movie. that That one definitely was, but they're like freezing in place while red kind of just like shivers around them.
00:25:28
Speaker
it's it's a lot of this movie looks a little rough. Yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker
So, like, okay. So during the, like, montage, I think we get, like, already, like, no, actually, so it's, during the montage, we get Jessica Alba trying to strip.
00:25:49
Speaker
Then we get, during the Brooklyn Bridge incident, you get her to strip. And I think there's one more incident where she starts, like, taking her clothes off again. think but We were talking about before we started, like it's on she's on the street and she sees like ah every magazine on the newsstand is like about her some reason.
Wrap-up and Next Episode Preview
00:26:07
Speaker
And then the crowd is like, oh, it's Sue Storm! It's the physical girl! And she's like, oh man. And she just escaped by taking her off her clothes and going invisible again.
00:26:17
Speaker
Which then hard cuts to her at like the breakfast table with those same clothes on and as ah as if nothing happened. Just sort of like, how is your how was your morning? Let's not talk about that.
00:26:33
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird. Just because you you the movie establishes ah like that there's no urgency, so that's why hear all these fun wacky montages, but like it's still superhero, so certain parts still need to make sense to how they're handling their like new life, and it just seems like, out of everyone, like Invisible Woman just has to get more and more nude to get used to her like new surroundings.
00:27:03
Speaker
I mean, unfortunately, it's kind of in line with, like, how Sue Storm was treated for, like, decades in the comics. Where it's, like like, she would just, like, get captured or hide. Because, like, she's invisible. It's like, Sue, hide! You can't fight this person. Or but or she got, like, the Fantasy IV, like, boob window costume.
00:27:25
Speaker
yeah. That's, like, 1993. nineteen ninety s three I think they tried to justify that she chose that costume. It's like, look at the new costume I made.
00:27:35
Speaker
Well, was like her empowerment. Yeah. And it's just like, alright. And like, how's he trying to get Reed's attention? Because Reed is like distracted by like science all the time.
00:27:47
Speaker
like, look at me, Reed.
00:27:52
Speaker
i mean, she sort of does that here. It's, there's a lot of like, Jessica Alba throwing herself at Reed moments. Mm-hmm. And it's it's fun.
00:28:03
Speaker
It's also very frustrating because this is like 2005 era Jessica Alba and we're like, oh my god. What?
00:28:11
Speaker
Like, high school me was just like, oh. ah watched all Dark Angel. Yeah. but I don't like her as a blonde. No, that's weird. Yeah.
00:28:24
Speaker
It makes her look like more of like generic than what made her unique looking. Yeah.
00:28:32
Speaker
I mean, yeah, the Sue Storm character is supposed to be the, like, matriarchal figure, but in this one, it really is just like, no one listens to her.
00:28:47
Speaker
Well, it's weird because they're not they're not really, ah because they're they're Marvel's first family, but they're not really a family in this movie. Like, when it when it starts, like, Johnny and Sue kind of hate Reed and Ben. Yeah.
00:28:59
Speaker
Johnny's just like, you used to my like um like military officer? like My CO? i guess? They're both in the army? Manning officer, yeah. And then is see it's like, now I get to mess with you.
00:29:12
Speaker
i'm your boss now.
00:29:16
Speaker
And then yeah then Sue and Reed broke up you know however many years it's been before the movie started. Like two, three years, maybe? Something like that, yeah. But Yeah, so they're they're not like a cohesive family unit that like hangs out. like They all kind of like hate each other except for Ren and Ben are buds. but
00:29:39
Speaker
Well, I imagine it's to, again, show you more ah like that they still haven't gotten him together yet. like They don't know how form as a team. and You think they would get some sort of training or something in the middle? Or maybe like hint that they can work together at some point.
00:30:00
Speaker
But the movie really makes you watch like almost all of it until they figure out how to work as a team. And even then, it's just mostly like Johnny. It's mostly like... see the The bridge scene is that kind of them working together, but then the they're also kind of like working separately. Reed stretches out the save of a guy, but then Sue's a different part of the bridge like holding in the flames, and then...
00:30:26
Speaker
Yeah, they're not really working together. They're just handling what they can do with, like, right there, like, at each section of the bridge. what What was Johnny doing on the bridge? He saved that little girl.
00:30:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah, he did. He, like, jumped in front of her to block her from the flames, and that's not how that works. In fact, if he flamed on, I think the little girl would be dead. Probably.
00:30:51
Speaker
I don't know if the, like, I think that, like, Johnny's power is that it still burns anything he's around. He just has to, like, turn off the flame for whatever of that one area to not burn it.
00:31:03
Speaker
Well, I mean, they make the point when they're testing that he, like, he can go, like, super like the the temperature of the sun and he could, like, burn the atmosphere, possibly. Oh, no. Supernova? They bring that up, like, a few times.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah. So Supernova is a big thing because like it gets used... Once it's like dropped in this movie, it's one of those Chekhov gun things.
00:31:27
Speaker
And... ah Yeah, I think that's in the comic, too. Supernova, I think, in the comic, only a few years prior or more. But it wasn't in the original comic. Going Supernova was something that got picked up over the years.
00:31:41
Speaker
And then... ah Depending on the usage, it either is just like he gets really hot and then he has to bump into something, you know, or it's a supernova. And now like, like an actual Nova, like a wave.
00:31:57
Speaker
It's like the radiation so much that whatever's in a certain amount of distance is like and destroyed. Yeah. Yeah. But in the movie, going supernova just, like, can be detained in, like, a tornado. But, like, that that sort of makes sense with, like, Su's power.
00:32:14
Speaker
Like, that's where they have to team up. If they didn't really give a shit about the city, it was more like to kill Doom. I think Johnny could have went supernova, like, earlier. Probably, yeah.
00:32:26
Speaker
Well, he's too busy, you know, going to the next games. Yeah, yeah. ah Yeah, that was another, like, and mont Not montage, but just sort of like another thing to kind of give them the Fantastic Four moniker.
00:32:39
Speaker
it was just like, oh, hey, who do you call this person? And Johnny seems such a like meathead that he's just like, oh, that's that's the Invisible Girl. That's Mr. Fantastic. ah That's the Thing.
00:32:53
Speaker
oh god yeah yeah. Johnny is just like the the absolute mid-2000s just like extreme sports douchebag. Yeah. I'm surprised didn't have a pierced ear.
00:33:04
Speaker
or Yeah, and then it was it like constantly chugging like... ah I mean, just there's giant billboards like... yeah There's a big thing like Sobe Adrenaline Rush in this, so... When's the last time you had a Sobe?
00:33:17
Speaker
I mean, does it exist anymore? Probably not, but I think it still exists in some other form. It's just not called Sobe. But it was like creamy energy drinks, which is so weird to think.
00:33:30
Speaker
If you remember, I had Asobi once, and I was just like... It's like, hey, do you like like Monster? can you imagine Monster like three times as thick? I think like Full Throttle was out around that time, too, Nos.
00:33:45
Speaker
Really? i think i think i i think I think Energy's was like really... like Because I think Monster just came out like a little bit, maybe like couple years before, like around this time. Red Bull...
00:33:58
Speaker
But i'm i'm yeah, I'm shocked he just wasn't like, you know, constantly just pounding Sobe at Adrenaline Rush so they're full throttles or something. No, Sobe's still around.
00:34:10
Speaker
But is it isn't it more like a... It's not like a... It's more like ah like a fruit drink. I don't think they make like the energy drink anymore. I think you're right. they Because they jump to the be they jumped in that bandwagon that didn't really work out, so then now it's like, oh, we're back to our ah fruity, like,
00:34:30
Speaker
it They were like Fruitopia. because like go yeah Back to the ninety s Yeah, I think that makes sense. where it's like It's just thicker and like energy juice. And like weird... it's like We're the first ones to have like dragon fruit.
00:34:46
Speaker
Oh, I think that's what I had. I honestly can't tell you the tap the flavor, but I can tell you the texture.
00:34:59
Speaker
Yeah, that... That, that likeuff but they're they're like, scuffle outside the X Games is... i don't think I've ever seen that many, like, product placement billboards in the in a movie scene. not Not even, like, a Michael Bay movie.
00:35:11
Speaker
Like, when, like, you know, ah a robot flies into, like, a Bud Light truck. Like, this this was just, like, every available space and in the frame was, like, filled with, like, a billboard for something.
00:35:24
Speaker
know, I'm surprised, uh... It's not like they needed the product to save the day. That would have pushed it over the top. Having there is not... it's like It's like, you know, whenever you go to like any kind of highly publicized event, any kind of thing with large audience, you're going to see advertisements and things.
00:35:43
Speaker
That's like any time you go to Times Square in any movie, you'll just see things. Which they do in this movie. They do to go to Times Square. That's another like product placement. It's like a guaranteed cash cow scene.
00:35:54
Speaker
Yeah. But it's it's the it's the like... What pushes the top is when the product is the MacGuffin. Like Power Rangers. Like the Power Rangers reboot where it's like Krispy Kreme. We have to dig under Krispy Kreme.
00:36:11
Speaker
Actually, i think Superman does it tastefully. They just happen to like be at a Denny's or an IHOP or something. But it doesn't make sense because there's a small town. So why is there like a corporate chain there?
00:36:22
Speaker
And that was the point the plot that was just like, oh, they just happened to like smash into it. but like, yeah, yeah Power Rangers like Krispy Kreme. It's like the energy source is under Krispy Kreme. have to like dig under Krispy Kreme.
00:36:33
Speaker
Oh, yeah. That's the thing, like where it's like a vital part to the plot. And they have to say it. They can't be like, it's by the donut shop. It's like, you have to use it.
00:36:45
Speaker
if This has been great, because I think at the time, the tie-in was Burger King. And like, During in that fight, like Johnny gets thrown into like a Whopper billboard. Yep. flame It's like a flame grilled. It's just like flame grilled on it.
00:37:00
Speaker
Get it? Because he's fire. But it would have been funny if he looked at that billboard and it's like flame grilled and he's like flame on. like He gets the inspiration for flame on. Oh my god. If it if it's said like Burger King flame Yeah.
00:37:15
Speaker
And so that's what Johnny's like, okay, that's my catchphrase. I'm a corporate show for Burger King. Or it's like, he's motivated by the flame-grilled taste of a Whopper, and he's just like, hmm, and that's what makes his powers like come to life.
00:37:31
Speaker
You know what I mean? like It wasn't that. like But in a dumb, dumb writer session, I could see some executives like, hey, can we tie it in?
00:37:45
Speaker
and they' They put everything else in there. like there was like There's like a Lunchables one There's Pepsi and Maunduco Red. think there's like a like a Crystal Springs sparkling water, too.
00:37:58
Speaker
think those are all owned by Pepsi. Probably, yeah. Sobe's owned by Pepsi. So it makes sense. I think I think Pepsi owns Capri Sun, which then is co-owned by Oscar Mayer for Lunchables. bunch of bowls So like everything kind of ties in.
00:38:22
Speaker
But yeah, that that's why I'm like, it didn't get to that. Yeah, I can see products there. I mean, other scenes and other kind of superhero movies have products, but it wasn't outrageous.
00:38:35
Speaker
But yeah, if Johnny was just like, don't forget the flame girl taste and then flame on, like, holy shit. It also was like officially like the X Games, too. it wasn't just like a knockoff, like, ah they did a couple fake, like,
00:38:50
Speaker
extreme sports contest, this it was like ESPN, the X Games. Yeah. Which was, which but they would they have that like in the middle of new York City?
00:39:03
Speaker
i think if it was some stadium, but I don't i don't know. that's like the only stadium they have is Madison Square Garden, but I don't think they do X Games like that there. it know it was like it was It was just i mean if it was just like the motocross stuff, I guess. That's what Johnny does. is like He goes to compete in a motocross event.
00:39:22
Speaker
But yeah, I don't know if you did like skateboarding and stuff like through New York City.
00:39:31
Speaker
Oh, you know what's a weird thing too? um kind of so It's sort of in the vein of the X-Saint stuff, but like um when like Maria Menounos is a cameo, or an extended cameo, it's like the nurse. yeah But then it's like, why is she playing a character? like Why wasn't she just playing herself? Interviewing Johnny on like Extra or something? Yeah.
00:39:52
Speaker
Well, it's more involved and to show her that she's a fun, like, Belgium nurse. I guess so. Because they're the Swiss Alps and then she happens to be a very sexy Latina woman working there who totally is going to get fired from her job by letting her patient ride a helicopter and then skiing with him.
00:40:14
Speaker
Yes, go yeah going off on like a ah mountain um like an extreme sports mountain helicopter ski drop on us. And then you you see him burst into flames and like create like a... like he's naked Now he's naked in like a pool of water that created. And she's like, alright.
00:40:32
Speaker
I'm into this. and he He shows back up in that hospital wearing her jacket. Meaning they had to go to the bottom of that mountain. And then he had to ride back in that helicopter.
00:40:45
Speaker
Or ah ride back in some sort of transportation back at the hospital, wearing the same outfit, then she probably had to resign.
00:40:55
Speaker
this Yeah, just another thing, they don't explain how someone gets from one point to another point. Everyone just sort of magically teleports in this movie. If it's an incident, if it's somewhere with an eye shot where they can see it, they'll be in that building in a quick amount of time.
00:41:13
Speaker
i Or if they see it on TV, they'll be there like within 20 minutes. I forgot how close the Baxter building and the Von Doom building are to each other. Isn't it just like down the ave?
00:41:28
Speaker
It's like two skyscrapers away, you because you can see like all the like the power surges happening in the Baxter building from the Von Doom building. And he launches a rocket. for like vanum and is like big like When he goes full circle, he launches a rocket from Bazooka from his building to the Baxter building.
00:41:46
Speaker
So maybe like two miles away. not Yeah, it's it's very close. Probably less than I'm going
00:41:57
Speaker
to say like eight blocks.
00:42:01
Speaker
Because like... In the Baxter building, I think you see the Empire State Building, too. Like, in the distance. I think so, yeah.
00:42:12
Speaker
And... If I know New York correctly, it's like... They have to be in, like, 35th Street? Like, I know that, like, wherever the Baxter building is, it's, like, another famous New York landmark.
00:42:27
Speaker
Fictional landmark, obviously. Sure. It's on 42nd Street in Madison Avenue, according to like the comics.
00:42:36
Speaker
And like Empire State Bolting is on or something that.
00:42:45
Speaker
But yeah, they're super close. Yeah. so and yeah It's within a reason that Bondoon can shoot a high-power rocket, and like it it just sails across New York without an issue.
00:42:59
Speaker
But we'll get into that a little bit. I just want to get into the ah fact that ah Dooms realizes after watching but like the ah publicity of the Fantastic Four that he's like, I need to break up this this quad.
00:43:19
Speaker
I need to somehow harness the power. I need to trick the thing. like He figures out now that he should do something besides watching them. Well, yeah, he I think he he has hidden cameras in the Baxter building, so he's like watching them do all their tests.
00:43:34
Speaker
And then i don't think we ever... And ah then he kind of realizes like what his powers are, and I guess he puts together like, oh, I can absorb energy. Reed has this like a cosmic radiation generator that I can suck all the like ah energy out of and and become like a godlike supervillain.
00:43:57
Speaker
But then he has to systematically take each person out to get to it.
00:44:03
Speaker
A lot of it is like his downfall. I feel like if he didn't do this plan and sort just waited, I feel like his plan would have been better. He just has to wait for them to mess up.
00:44:14
Speaker
But because Doom arrives, it like brings them closer.
00:44:21
Speaker
the the way But the one thing I want to get into is that Doom steals from himself. like He raids his military part of his his like company. And kills his own like guards. Right.
00:44:34
Speaker
And in any other kind of Marvel thing, there would have been a report. There would have been someone mentioning this on the radio or something. You know, like... if These are like other superhero things that weren't the Fantastic Four. They're just not bothered by it.
00:44:49
Speaker
They're just like, oh, some military like like Arsenal got raided. That sucks. and Anyway, back to science and like, I don't know, like inept romance. He also murders like like the is like head of the board of his company in a parking lot.
00:45:07
Speaker
Does not get investigated for that. Never mentioned again. Never mentioned again. And then it's not like cleaned up the crime scene. he's He murders the guy in his own company parking lot.
00:45:19
Speaker
Yeah. So that's not good for the company. It's not a subtle murder. It's like he has a giant hole blown to his chest. Again, in other superhero things, the the heroes would have been like alerted or been like, hey, that's weird, right? like on like the This guy, his CEO board is like ah murdered.
00:45:45
Speaker
this get This guy that Victor's been like feuding with over the fate of his company that's trying to shut Victor out and like destroy his company is now dead. Weird. You mean the guy that's paying for, like, the Baxter building funding and stuff?
00:46:02
Speaker
But... Also, isn't it kind of weird that, uh... The final showdown takes place back at the Baxter building? Because... After all that, Doom launches a rocket to, uh... Try take out Johnny, because it's a heat-state rocket.
00:46:20
Speaker
But, like, before that, he... Doom, uh... Like... Goes into the Baxter building, like tricks the thing to do like a reverse the fly on himself.
00:46:32
Speaker
Yeah, he does like, he does like psychological, like he messes with with ben like, and like it works. like Like, he's like, oh, Reed's not helping you, Ben. He's upset. He's like trying to get back with Sue. He doesn't care about you.
00:46:45
Speaker
and then they they come back from like, like they come back to the Baxter building. He's like, oh Victor was right. You are trying to get back with her. so we just taking the break He's like, I don't care. You're taking too long.
00:47:00
Speaker
I mean, for all we know, this it's been a year. Yeah. There are montages. Who knows? Yeah, but like no one changes clothes. No one really has any kind of visible hair differences. So it's not like suddenly like Johnny's got like longer hair or like Reed's got a beard.
00:47:17
Speaker
it It just, like, he's got, like, a five o'clock shadow by the end of the, like like, before the fight begins, but there's nothing too crazy.
00:47:29
Speaker
But yeah, Doom has, like, one conversation with Ben at, like, a diner, and that totally convinced his Ben that Reed is, like, portraying him.
00:47:40
Speaker
And then he's willing to risk his life to, like, go into the machine. Well, I guess, like, if Ben saw that Reed got all, like, microwave for him, but that happens after they have that fight.
00:47:53
Speaker
Yeah. So that's where, like, you could see Reed really does care for Ben. He tries, but Ben's out getting um breakfast, I guess.
00:48:05
Speaker
Well, what's weird is, like, Reed tries the machine, and but there's not enough power to undo his powers. But then... Doom shows up with Ben, Doom is he's like simultaneously pumping out the power, but absorbing the power at the same time somehow?
00:48:23
Speaker
So he's like increasing the output, but also stealing all the energy? i think he's absorbing whatever gets released from Ben. He opens a containment field, and it's just like raw energy iss pouring out of it?
00:48:36
Speaker
Yeah, I think he's trying to push out the cosmic rays out of the thing's body, and then he absorbs more the cosmic rays. Well, think their plan, Reed's plan is, it's it's been's it's basically his machine generates the opposite ray, or like the opposite polarity of whatever hit them.
00:48:54
Speaker
That's like the fake science behind it. So, I mean, Reed was able to recreate the cloud. but Pretty much, yeah. is like It's a different polarity.
00:49:06
Speaker
Why didn't Doom just fund that? Yeah.
00:49:11
Speaker
It would save his company and then he has time for revenge like later.
00:49:17
Speaker
It's another thing. We were talking about species a couple weeks ago but where they also just like totally ignore like unlimited energy. all All these companies like fake companies don't care about unlimited energy. It's like, you have free energy. I don't care. I'm going fund this ah like weird genetic research.
00:49:36
Speaker
It's like, what are you going to use your genetic thing on? To get more energy.
00:49:42
Speaker
It's like, oh man, we don't have enough energy. ah if felt We only had like a free energy source. but Where we get that from? but we made energy. It's like, okay, well, we made a weapon. ah Why do you need the weapon? So we get more energy.
00:49:58
Speaker
but yeah Doom's plan is to then just assault the Fantastic Four, but I guess he wanted Sue alive because he does nothing with her.
00:50:12
Speaker
Johnny gets taken care of by the missile. The thing is a regular human. And then Reed is frozen. Yes. Doom kind of does like a... You know how Batman has like his... What was it? The Babel?
00:50:24
Speaker
like whatever is's like Planned take down each member of the Justice League? yeah Yeah. Doomsday protocol? Yeah, like Doom figures out like the weakness of each person and exploits it.
00:50:38
Speaker
Or tries to exploit it. He tries to. The him getting lucky with the Human Torch was still kind of random. Also, I like how in this movie, and I think up until, like, maybe the next Fantastic Four, they never acknowledged the first Human Torch.
00:50:58
Speaker
oh the The original android, they're just going to like, eh, it's... They're just the Human Torch.
00:51:07
Speaker
i would I would be shocked if, like, Android decumutor, whichever shows up in a movie. He was in ah Captain America, the first Avenger. He's like hanging on display during the Stark Expo.
00:51:21
Speaker
Oh, okay. It's like a, just like you have to notice it. Easter yeah. Yeah, it's more of an Easter egg. And they don't say anything about it. Like, they still don't acknowledge it. Again, it was because, I guess, Marvel at the time of Iron Man 2006? 2007?
00:51:36
Speaker
x seven ah they own the rights to that another version of Human Torch. But Marvel could legally, I guess, show the other Human Torch. But I don't think they call it the Human Torch. You have to recognize it's the same outfit as the original Human Torch.
00:51:54
Speaker
It's like the human version where he turns into all red and on fire. Well, was it the 60s show, Fantasy IV cartoon, where they couldn't use the Human Torch? They had Herbie.
00:52:09
Speaker
yep
00:52:11
Speaker
Which is I think that's because like the original creator of the the original Human Torch was like fighting against or like Human Torch was able to do certain things for legal rights but then yeah they couldn't get the like the TV rights.
00:52:33
Speaker
But I think now they can. Mm-hmm.
00:52:37
Speaker
imagine this movie would be different if they couldn't? So it's like, alright, well, Herbie, do it. Yeah.
00:52:46
Speaker
Chris Evans' voice is Herbie.
00:52:56
Speaker
But, um... Final fight. You want to get into the whole, like, this, like... This is before the skybeam and ah sky sky. like it's very it's yeah yeah's It's very small scale for like a big like finale for a superhero. It's like five people fighting on a street.
00:53:13
Speaker
ah New York City Street. And I think like it's it's like the perfect time for this to happen. It's like at night. Not a lot of people on the street. It's just just like a block's worth of damage.
00:53:25
Speaker
um The police never get called.
00:53:30
Speaker
Like, it doesn't escalate. It's like, watch these super-powered people fight each other like a classic kind of just showdown. And then the solution to ti fight them is to destroy more property.
00:53:43
Speaker
Oh, yeah, cause cause more damage. It seems like that's this version of Fantastic Four that seems like their MO is like, we're going cause a lot of damage to like save the day. we need to destroy things to prove how much you need us.
00:53:56
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:53:59
Speaker
Okay, so like the the supernova comes back because Reed's like, we need to like melt doom? Well, we need to superheat him because now by this point, his entire body has been slowly turning into metal, but now he's like fully metal.
00:54:19
Speaker
And so Reed's science plan is have Johnny superheat him, and then they will super cool cool him off. And if you, because if you cool, quickly cool off metal, uh, that's superheated, turns brittle and like, uh, hardens.
00:54:35
Speaker
So yeah so they did they did the supernova, uh, Sue contains the supernova where there's, uh, like, you know shield, shield generating powers.
00:54:46
Speaker
And then Reed turns into like ah a fire truck or a fire hose, basically it sprays water.
00:54:53
Speaker
And then yeah yeah they turned they turn him into like a statue, basically. And they don't care that he might be dead. They're just like, we did it. Yep, we got him. like I forgot the opening of the next movie, but at that point, they're just like, oh, Doom's fine, like walking around. you guys know Technically, he he's done crime they can't prove.
00:55:20
Speaker
Yeah, does he... I mean, yeah, I don't think he ever gets, like, arrested for, like, you know, murdering his... its Like, the head of his board or random guards.
00:55:32
Speaker
I mean, if anything, he's guilty for, like, assaulting the Fantastic Four, but... ah Like, they would have to, like, arrest him first, which... I think he claims that he's Leverian, so he he gets amnesty. Is he like a ah diplomat?
00:55:49
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. I think that's what they said in the like second movie.
00:55:57
Speaker
But I mean... He's so rich, I guess, in this movie that like he can just pay off the city damage because it's like, what, like four vehicles and a sidewalk? and Like a street? A garbage truck. and Yeah, the street is kind of like crystallized or dipe like it's turned into diamond because of hot it was.
00:56:17
Speaker
um molten.
00:56:21
Speaker
But yeah, thats you can you can fix that pretty easily. As far as like superhero damage goes, it's pretty minor Yeah, it's basically what, like, henchmen battles would be in some other movies. so But the fact that this is the only real superpower fight that happens, and you just have maybe ten minutes to enjoy it before um it goes back to just, like, the, like, the growth section of these characters. Of Reed admitting that he has feelings for Sue, and, like, Johnny being Johnny, and
00:56:53
Speaker
and johnny Johnny has no growth. No growth. He's the same guy in the beginning and the end. It's not like he is, um... He's like, hey, I gotta respect you guys more. Or like... I'm gonna settle down. I'm not gonna be this unwomanizer anymore. He's not like... anything, he has more women at the end. He's got like five women from the boat party. Yep.
00:57:16
Speaker
And the thing has a girlfriend that can't see him, so that's fine. Mm-hmm.
00:57:23
Speaker
And then yeah then they they ship ah ship ah do the Doom Frozen statue to back to Latveria.
00:57:33
Speaker
i mean, they just killed its like sovereign ruler.
00:57:38
Speaker
good dont i don't yeah don't I don't think he's like the ruler of Levy. like How powerful he is, it's like... I'm trying to think of some crazy like Elon Musk.
00:57:50
Speaker
We encased him in iron and then sent him back to South Africa.
00:57:57
Speaker
like In this world that they're telling, it's the equivalent of like Elon Musk going to space and then... like freaking out, killing, like, his board, and then getting defeated by, like, his ex-fiance or girlfriend.
00:58:14
Speaker
Yeah, like, like, fighting, like, Jeff Bezos or something. Not even Jeff Bezos. Like, Jeff Bezos is an another rich person. You're thinking about, like, another unfamous scientist. like Reed is like he's he's smart. It's like the Walter White where like he's really smart and brilliant but he never he's never been a position of power.
00:58:35
Speaker
So now like a guy who ruy gets in a position of power and then beats him in super science and then encases him in iron and then throws him back, like ships him back to his origin country.
00:58:48
Speaker
Did they ship back or did his assistants handle all that stuff? I forgot. I honestly... Because they don't... deal there's no after We don't see any of the aftermath. like They don't... The Fantasy IV are just like, oh, yeah, just leave Doom middle of the mill street. That's fine. We don't care what happens to it.
00:59:06
Speaker
And then like Hamish Linklater shows up and is like, oh, I'm going to take this. though That's okay.
00:59:14
Speaker
It's New York. You know, the rules are different.
00:59:22
Speaker
i mean, it... Okay. Okay. Is this movie good? No.
00:59:28
Speaker
Does this movie make sense? Like, very little. Is it better than most Fantastic Four movies? Like, absolutely. Is it better than the 2015 movie?
00:59:40
Speaker
A hundred thousand percent. Like, so much. Just because it does the opposite of what we asked in superhero movies. Where it's like, this was like, okay. Yeah, they'd only have like one super fight.
00:59:52
Speaker
But in this in the reimagining, it's like... They just don't know how to use the characters right at all. Like, they become weapons, and then... we try to make, like ah like, a horror movie, like a body horror movie for, like, a big chunk of it Yeah.
01:00:09
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And that might have been tied into the MCU, sort of, but, like, it just completely didn't. So, thank God it didn't... Can you imagine if they did, like, a subtle, like, reference where it's like, hey...
01:00:24
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this is what's going on in New York on top of everything else that's happening in the MCU.
01:00:34
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Well, think the Fantasy IV First Steps is in it. it's a It's like one of the yeah parallel universes. It's just like a parallel universe that's been... it's i think it's i think it's still like 2025, but it's like still like the 60s for some reason. Totally fine with it.
01:00:48
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I don't... I'm... um in on it for just the tone and the aesthetics. yeah I don't need much, but like I'm saying that now until I get to see that movie and then you're like, what is going on?
01:01:02
Speaker
And then you find out like everything that the trailer's been hyping up happens for the first 10 minutes. Oh man, yeah. This is what i'm talking about. i give you one of those. Did it feel glad this is the first 10 minutes? It's like,
01:01:13
Speaker
Oh, what the hell is this movie about then? The rest of the movie is just a road trip where they're just like traveling through space trying to find like their way back home. And then them just bickering and then like figuring out it's like we need to be a family.
01:01:33
Speaker
But like that doesn't happen here. Like this movie doesn't do the whole like we are family. We have to work together. There's no like big morale speech by one of the characters. It's just them, like, frantically figuring out how to work together, and it just does.
01:01:49
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They're just like, oh, shit, Victor's trying kill us. quick Quick, figure out something. Yeah, that's kind of what just happens. and we we have We kind of have costumes. Put them on.
01:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, I'm surprised they have costumes. They wear the costumes lot longer than you think, but they don't, like, seem like superheroes yet. Well, they specifically say that the the suits can like read's like, oh, they got blasted too, so they can like, our powers are not like, they go along with our powers, but they just never wear them.
01:02:26
Speaker
Yeah. Until they have to. It makes it seem like they're going to use it the next scene where they need to take out like a mobster or something. And then, isn't it like, even before they get blasted by like cosmic radiation, the suit's somehow they detect your DNA or something. you like the There's some sort of stupid explanation at the beginning. Oh, it's like form-fitting? Because like Sue figured out how to genetically engineer like fabric?
01:02:52
Speaker
Yeah, it reacts to like the the where like the person wearing it or something. But it's not like they put it on and it changes color. It's not like you put it on it... like gives you abilities. You know, like, it's just like I made really, like, breathable. Forfeiting spandex. Yeah, I made sp new spandex. And like, wow.
01:03:13
Speaker
And then Johnny put a four on them. yeah Johnny just stitched on a four. So I'm not quite sure what again, the Sue Storm science role was.
01:03:26
Speaker
It's not like she was able to take. That's not missing this completely. I could be wrong. um Unless she took like a sample of Doom's metal, analyzed it, and realized he's weak to some element or some combination of chemicals or something, and then she works with Reed to make like a weapon to like disable Doom's electric powers or something?
01:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, that would be a little bit more... ah maybe a little bit more be like they don't even realize he's metal until, like, the last ten minutes. And it's not like, okay, like, she figures out the genetic material.
01:04:03
Speaker
Reed is really good at making, like, weapons by accident. Like, if you read a lot of comics, he always, like, makes some sort of, like, atom destructor or, like, rift maker or some sort of, like, laser that, like, fights a monster, like, some, like, galactic thing.
01:04:20
Speaker
Send him to negative zone. Yeah, that's a Reed thing. So... Again, i i can see it's like he just doesn't have the brain power to like think about the genetic part, but he's so good at making like a weapon, so like they combine forces now. they they They're bonding over that.
01:04:39
Speaker
Yeah, they could they could have had like Sue like have to go back and like talk to Victor for something, and then she notices that like his face and hands are turning into metal, and then puts that together, and then they figure yeah they figure out how to like ah way to stop him.
01:04:56
Speaker
Or use that you that in the final battle. Yeah, use that. It made the final battle extend a little longer than just maybe like 10 minutes. Like an actual proper battle. who We don't really get that.
01:05:09
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It would have been, again, even more hilarious where she figures out she needs to strip again. It's some sort of a guffin thing where it's like, alright, Doom's distracted. Time to like get naked and then turn invisible. Or like,
01:05:23
Speaker
read re-visible myself and appear naked in front of him and get him distracted. Oh my god. That been just like the most ridiculous. It would have been ridiculous, but it would be the opposite. It's been like the rule of three of her taking her clothes off, leaving a trail, but never her reappearing and then just being like, hey Vic, look at this. And you're like, what?
01:05:49
Speaker
It's like that South Park episode where the girl flashes like what things are her boobs, but it turns out to be Quato.
01:05:57
Speaker
It's like the ski episode where it's like, oh my god, and then it's like, yeah. shit Yeah, she does that and then Ben just pops from like the side of the frame and just punches him in the face.
01:06:09
Speaker
It's like, gotcha!
01:06:11
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I mean, they have a good like clobbering fight. It it is extended. It is really showing the thing and Doom that they have comparable strength. He does say it's clobbering time.
01:06:23
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they easily get that right. Although, did he like he got that from Johnny's like prototype action figure. Yep. So it wasn't even the thing's idea. It was Johnny's catchphrase that, again, it could be a thing where, like, the Burger King Whopper could have had it, where it's like, flaming clobbering time. And and then Johnny just put it together.
01:06:46
Speaker
And Johnny says the marketing guys came up with that. Like, where what is who is but marketing guys? like but Like, Victor's marketing guys? I don't think I was Victor's marketing guy. Johnny just has, like, his own marketing team.
01:06:57
Speaker
Like, he hired, like, an agent.
01:07:01
Speaker
I'm screaming because it's like brand deals.
01:07:06
Speaker
We got market ourselves. to get an agent. got appear in movies get brand deals here.
01:07:13
Speaker
yeah like i gotta appear in like movies and get some like brand deals here
01:07:23
Speaker
But yeah, so not not not the best superhero movie. um so Still fun in a couple places, but hopefully the the new MCU one is like the the first like you know true great Fantastic Four movie. I mean, they are hard to write.
01:07:40
Speaker
It's like so... like It works really well in comics and TV shows that have its time to take a short idea and stretch it.
01:07:52
Speaker
it's just that like unless it's drawn out and it's always about like their family dynamic drama especially i mean it's better when they have the kid involved and then you get to see like Reed ignore the family for science or it's like what what makes him happy in life? it's like Is it being to prove right or like to to be like a better man?
01:08:17
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like It's that like duality that his character goes through. like Especially like a Reed story. And you get none of that. You get like a small amount of Reed just like, I should pay attention to this incredibly hot woman who wants me.
01:08:31
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Mm-hmm.
01:08:36
Speaker
But, at least in the next movie, ah you get the re-doing disco dances. There's Bachelor Party.
01:08:45
Speaker
So I'm looking forward to that one. Whenever i watch that. Yeah, when did the sequel come out? 2007, so we got two years before we talked about that one. Maybe. I don't think that movie's on Disney+. plus i mean yeah I think they're both on Disney+.
01:09:01
Speaker
Are they? It just did not get recommended. yeah i think i think I think all the Fox stuff is on there, but or most of it's on there.
01:09:11
Speaker
Obviously, because they own it all.
01:09:17
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and even and Even if it was on Hulu, now like all of Hulu is on Disney Plus too, so it's all just one thing.
01:09:27
Speaker
But yeah, definitely looking forward to... we yeah what we We're recording this before the new one comes out, but hopefully First Steps is awesome and is that you know the but the best MCU movie or best MCU thing this year.
01:09:40
Speaker
don't think... You haven't seen Thunderbolts yet, right? I did. and did Oh, you did? Okay.
01:09:48
Speaker
still didn't see that, but I've heard that one is is good. Hopefully maybe there'll be two two for three. not Not to spoil much, but like at least by then in this in the Thunderbolt universe where they do a big like kind of like fight and then the citizens around, they kind of know the drill by now.
01:10:11
Speaker
It's like, oh, another crazy superpower thing? Let's move it. Let's not just hang around. It's like, this is the fourth incident that has happened in like New York time to just, like, get away from danger. There should be, like, a siren that goes off.
01:10:32
Speaker
I mean, they got, like, the MonsterVerse says that, like, the Godzilla Kong universe. They have, like, shelters you go to. they have, like, like a kaiju alarm. i mean, they should. They don't get to that point, but I'm exaggerating a little bit, but I'll talk about that when when the time comes to review, like, 2005, a 2025 roundup.
01:10:47
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Mm-hmm. two thousand and five it a twenty twenty five round of
01:10:58
Speaker
So and think it for this week. Come back next week. We're going to pull the rip cord on drop zone. The Wesley Snipes 90s action movie, because it's getting a big fancy new 4k release next week.
01:11:10
Speaker
So ah yeah, get ready for that. One of the, one of the, at least two like skydiving action movies that came out around the time. It was so weird, like a weird trend. of just like skydiving is hot. Let's have people make movies about skydiving.
01:11:26
Speaker
It was another extreme sport. so
01:11:30
Speaker
I guess also in the wake of like Point Break. oh i mean that was like It was like four years after Point Break came out. but
01:11:38
Speaker
Still got to cash in. Yeah. it It takes a while to capitalize on those sh trends.
01:11:45
Speaker
But yeah, we'll dive into all that next week. um head let you allliver you just up there We got news reviews, trailers, all kinds of ah stuff there check out. And... um
01:11:58
Speaker
I think ah you're going to be, I think if people are hearing this, Comic-Con, right, Chris? Oh, yeah. I'll be at the U of Comic-Con around this time. So possibly just, like, check out our social media for maybe, like, some some stuff from the Comic-Con floor.
01:12:13
Speaker
Whenever I get internet signals. Yeah. if there's If it's not, like, totally destroyed by, like, ah the thousands of people there. That's usually what happens. You just go through, like, a sick signal blackout.
01:12:24
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Mm-hmm.
01:12:27
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Yeah, so head over, check all that stuff out. And yeah, so for Chris, I'm Zach, and we will see you next week. For more for Everything Action, head to www.everythingaction.com. You can also find us on Facebook at facebook.com slash everything.action and follow us on X at EVAction.
01:12:46
Speaker
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