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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris go up, up, and away with Superman, now available on HBO Max and physical media. (Spoiler Warning)
The first theatrical entry in the new DC Universe, David Corenswet portrays the latest Man of Steel, who intervenes in an international conflict, and the repercussions provide Lex Luthor (Nicholas Hoult) with the opportunity he has been scheming for on his quest to destroy Superman. Zach and Chris discuss all of Lex's insane scientific advances, the twist regarding Superman's message (and who on Earth can translate Kryptonian), Mr. Terrific getting the movie's best fight scene, Krypto being an adorable little jerk, and more.
You can watch Superman on HBO Max or purchase the new Blu-ray/4K release that was released this week.
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Introduction and Superman Movie Focus
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast podcast week of September 22nd, 2025. I'm your host Zach. And I'm your co-host Chris.
Success and Availability of Superman Movie
00:00:27
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And this week we're going up, up and away with Superman.
00:00:30
Speaker
The, uh, this year, one of the biggest movies of this year. um i think it was the second biggest movie summer behind Nelino and Stitch. And I think it's currently the seventh biggest movie worldwide for the entire year. And also obviously the first, uh, major entry in the, uh, new DC universe.
00:00:50
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Like the first theatrical release. We've had a couple, we had creature commandos before that, but, um, Yeah, like the Snyderverse is dead. Now we're in the new the James Gunn, Peter Saffron universe fully.
Viewing Experiences: Theater vs. Home
00:01:05
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And it's it's out on HBO Max now. It's on ah you have Blu-ray 4K, so you can you know watch it multiple different ways. And we didn't get chance to talk about it when it theaters, but now we are jumping in, talking about it now.
00:01:19
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Although, did you see it when it was in theaters, Chris? I did it. I just didn't have time to go to the movies.
00:01:29
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yeah I didn't get a chance to go see it opening weekend, but saw it weekend after because I was on call for my job, so I had to wait until the week after. but I saw it theaters and thought it was is great then, and then re-watching it now is still fun.
00:01:43
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Yeah, I watched it at home. I rented it. um Good experience. I definitely think watching it in a theater to hear the sound and just the bigger picture is definitely a cinematic experience.
00:01:57
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But but Now, if you watch on HBO Max, it turns your display like a Superman
HBO Max's Special Feature for Superman
00:02:05
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experience. So there's that option.
00:02:08
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Did you notice that when you rewatch? like i talk about like Like the HBO logo? or no, no. When you watch it on HBO, the like ah scroll bar, the thing that tracks okay progress, it turns into Superman icon.
00:02:27
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Oh, i don didn't even notice. this I didn't even, like, like go down, like, touch the track bar at all, so... Yeah, yeah. It morphs it into Superman, like, stuff, so... little cute node.
00:02:39
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Not a nod to it. I definitely noticed, like, because they they they did, like, a custom, like, HBO movie presentation logo. Yeah. I mean, that was one of them. that sounds was like, what? And then it was more, um... My, uh... Like, app changing.
00:02:53
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Mm-hmm. So... I don't know long I'll keep that data for, but I kind of like that. like I like the sir certain experiences for a streaming thing changes for the movie.
00:03:07
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That would be cool if every movie did that or a good amount did that.
Spoiler Warning for In-depth Discussion
00:03:12
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Makes it more immersive. yeah it's not It's not like streaming but like movies, but I know like Spotify, if you play like Star Wars music, your thing turns into lightsaber.
00:03:24
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That's cool. It's extra data on the app, but I think it's worth it because at least makes the movie experience different.
00:03:36
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But yeah, before we jump jump into Superman, I should mention, I mean, because it came out this year, I'm sure like most people have seen it, but if you haven't seen it, ah spoiler warning, we're going talk about everything in this movie. So if you haven't seen it, pause, go watch it.
00:03:48
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yeah you have why Why are you listening to review that we go in depth for if you haven't seen it? Yeah. and i could give viity Okay, no offense, we're not the kind of podcast that convinces people to go see this movie. We're explaining why it's good, or why it's fun.
00:04:06
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or Or maybe maybe you you don't care. don't care, but you just want to hear someone talk about it without seeing it for some reason. but Very niche. I don't i don't know if I know anyone that does that, but if you are, please comment.
00:04:19
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Mm-hmm. But yeah, spoiler alert, to talk about everything.
Historical Context and Superman's First Defeat
00:04:23
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So let's let's jump in. And i think right off the bat, it's interesting how the movie starts. it's I really like the 300 years ago, MetaHumans appeared. 30 years ago, Superman arrived. like The countdown to like three minutes ago, he got he got like he got defeated for the first time. but
00:04:45
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It's different. I don't know if I would have liked narrator explaining that, or just the text.
00:04:54
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Who would who'd be narrating it, though? Like, Bradley Cooper? Bradley Cooper?
00:05:00
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Or even just, like, Lois?
00:05:06
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Lois would make sense, I guess, because it would be like maybe she's like she's a kind of reporting on it or something. Or it's even her just documenting the thing and then putting notes into the screen.
Metahumans and Timeline Speculation
00:05:19
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So it looks like it's her jotting down. Because she's a journalist, so that just means she's very aware and has to write down facts.
00:05:30
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To probably get into it, wonder the 300 years ago MetaHuman was. The first MetaHuman? three hundred years ago betahubi was a earth meow humanman Yeah. Well, I'm assuming a metahuman was pretty much anyone with power. So for all we know, it was just one guy who like.
00:05:49
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i don't know, um moved a rock really strongly. And I was just like, oh, cool. Kill him. And then, you know, and I take time to evolve.
00:06:04
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I don't know i feel like ah if this movie is supposed to be based in modern times, 300 years ago, was only like the 1700s.
Human-Alien Dynamics and Wonder Woman's Age
00:06:14
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Yeah. yeah i mean like that's something like You gotta think, it wasn't that long. like Other countries have been countries longer since the 1700s.
00:06:26
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yeah I went to a bar in Amsterdam that was like 15-something since it's been around. yeah And that's not even that old. It's just like, oh, that's just how long this has been here. It's weird because there's eventually going to be like a new Wonder Woman and stuff, but then I guess like either that no one knew about her or were like, oh, it was actually 300 years ago. was like Or she's just going to be 300 years old. Yeah, I was in the 1700s. Well...
00:06:56
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well I mean, it makes sense why they get locked off of, like, the world. So they wouldn't have a record. I don't think also that retelling explains, like, all the superpower beings.
00:07:12
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Because then they need to explain aliens, because aliens have been longer around than metahumans. So I think it's just specifically metahumans. And they might go at the angle that every everyone everyone else is not human.
Whimsical Tone and Character Inclusions
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Mm-hmm.
00:07:26
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even though I'm pretty sure Morthro is a human, but it doesn't quite make sense that he, um, he should be more alien than human. Oh, metamorpho. Yeah.
00:07:39
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Metamorpho. Yeah. So it's like, I appreciate that. He's just there in this movie. There's lot of people. where Yeah. There's a lot of people are just like there. They don't really explain. It's like, you know, comic book stuff, right?
00:07:52
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So that's why I'm like, you don't even have to go that far to explain that 300 years ago exactly, you know, 17th whatever is like, that's when humans first, like, meta-humans first appeared.
00:08:05
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um I just say 300 years ago was like, noted, like, you know, we made like, a yeah, it's like the first like written document. But there's been like people like, there's like been like, like Greek gods and stuff right around for centuries.
00:08:19
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Like since forever, since the dawn of man. Or it's like... Holy they shit. But it could be like Hancock.
00:08:30
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You know? Like, they're just superpowered beings. There's two. There's two left. Because the rest of them just died because they got too close.
Superman's Actions and Unintended Consequences
00:08:41
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What a weird origin.
00:08:43
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Mm-hmm.
00:08:46
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But in this, I do like the breakdown. I do like it starts with basically setting the expectations that a lot of it has to win over the audience.
00:08:57
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Well, they and you get that feeling? Well, I mean, they established like within like two minutes of the movie that like we're not we're definitely not in this next later universe anymore because like crypto shows up. Yeah, but that's also what sold tickets, I think.
00:09:11
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I think just the trailer alone of Crypto, like ah it's either you loved it or hate it. And this movie has that attitude. If you're not a dog person... Crypto is not the reason you saw this movie.
00:09:23
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But if you are a dog person, that is a good amount of the reason you saw this movie. It is crazy that that like that's the like the opening scene. Because I think a lot people saw that trailer and it's like, oh, is this like later in the movie? like He like lost like a ah this like halfway through. He lost a fight. He has to get recover and come back.
00:09:38
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I would have thought that too. Honestly, I would not see it's like it that. like The first minute of the movie is like that it like the Superman and the wounded scene.
00:09:50
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I do appreciate that like Crypto is like a little asshole. like he's so he's not like a good He's not a good boy. like yeah He'll eventually listen, maybe, but like he just he he'll just do his own thing and just bounce around and be a jerk.
00:10:07
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Which, when when you when you find out who his owner is and what her deal is, it makes sense.
00:10:14
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Like his owner is like a so like a drug party girl. Yep. who basically could have helped, but just decided not
Geopolitical Themes and Real-world Comparisons
00:10:23
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to. oh Yeah, she was partying. and so It's also crazy to see it like the like the inciting incident for like everything.
00:10:34
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It's also like happens like before the movie starts, like Superman like going to Baravia and stopping their invasion.
00:10:45
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Because it's like, oh, he he went he went and stopped the war. And it's like, but then that's like this that's like the driving force behind everything else in the movie. But you don't like you don't see the like the first action of that. You see like the fallout of it. Right. It's just like another movie happened before this.
00:10:59
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And even then, it's just a low stakes thing that you wouldn't think would escalate to basically an American invasion.
00:11:08
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Well, he wasn't representing America. representing himself. like But when the, like, Ultraman, or whatever, the hammer shows up in America, that's like, I guess it's a tit for tat because it's sort of like unorthodized. like, oh, you're fighting here declaring to fight Superman and in ah in Metropolis. And it's like, yeah, he's not trying to declare war on the U.S. government. He's here just to call out Superman.
00:11:37
Speaker
Mm-hmm. I guess that's allowed, because that's not a war crime.
00:11:46
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It is weird that, like, Baravia is America's ally in this movie, and not the other, like, Jorampor. That seems like the more, like, sympathetic country. Well, you see, I think this is the allegory. Like, if you aren't paying attention to the world, or just the, you know, geopolitical status of the last...
00:12:10
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50 years or more. think maybe at this point, like 70, but yeah, i don't want to get too deep. Cause I don't know what I'm saying. sometimes Yeah. where It's like, it's like, we're not politically. sign major Yeah. yeah But you could definitely tell in any history or even fictional history or even doom is that like allies and enemies change over time.
00:12:37
Speaker
hmm. And it's always, like, drama, and there's always resentment, and there's always, like... You know, this is just the human condition. just You just... You say, okay, now we're friends, and it's like, okay, but then it's... Why?
00:12:52
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Or it's like, what else has everyone, you know, planning? Everyone's got plans. It's the, like... At least the Joker and Dark Knight called it out, where it's like... Yeah, like, it's just chaos in the end.
00:13:06
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But... if you're trying to organize it. Organizing the chaos is just leading to more chaos. But then, if you try to, like, you know, like, set rules, you become the bad guy.
Lex Luthor's Schemes and Dimensional Rift
00:13:19
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Which is explained by the Dark Knight. So, it's not, like, an original idea. But Superman does it in a way that's a little more less subtle. And people lost their minds on this.
00:13:31
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Like, there are, like, ah the people who pretty much... made allegories, like, almost like, so, like, either like, oh, that's pretty good, that's one interpretation, here's the official and all that, and then here's, or you know, this is what people think are official versions.
00:13:47
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But this is one of those fill-in-the-blanks, like, does this look familiar? Here's the, the like, the nod to it. Mm-hmm. um but just it it is it It is funny like how eat like more cartoonishly evil like Berevia gets the last more it goes on. It starts as if it the war they've been doing has been escalating for like generations where they upped the ante.
00:14:12
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This is just like... think this movie all about like one week. All this happens in a week. it is yeah It seems like it's a pretty short time. Yeah.
00:14:24
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and so I think also there's thing too, because like when you find out later on, like like part of Lex's plan, I think they mentioned like Baravia has like oil reserves or something.
00:14:35
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So that's probably why like we're allies with them because like they have resources that like maybe like Jarnapur doesn't have. So it's like, well, we can get oil from them. We can't really get anything from Jarnapur. So sorry. like Yeah, but that's sort of our U.S. policy. Yeah.
00:14:51
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Crazy. Yeah. But that's like the world. that You can't blame like just America for this. We just happen to be like louder about this. And every country does this. And um now if this is Christopher Reed, he would have definitely held a UN n meeting.
00:15:08
Speaker
Yes. But because the Superman is definitely more human and modern, he he just flips out on his girlfriend in private. hmm. Which is, you know, what happens a lot in any special situation. You rant to your friends
Superman's Fighting Style and Lex's Strategy
00:15:24
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and family.
00:15:25
Speaker
You don't just... Unless... Oh my god, you imagine if they really rewrote Superman where he starts vlogging? Oh jeez. Anyway, it's me, Supes. Yo, what's up? It's Supes. Just wanted to let you know... me sing you a song and tell you like what we need to do to heal.
00:15:44
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that's that's That's the boys universe. I know, that would have been the boys. That's... that would have been I think, like, the superhero fandom has definitely grown where you need both sides of that coin.
00:15:57
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You need the Superman who just wants to give, like, very heartfelt speeches and and is honest. And then you get the boys where it's like, well, in reality, a lot of the people will do this with their power instead of actually, like, stopping shit.
00:16:13
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They will be pushing soft drinks and movies and
00:16:20
Speaker
You know what's funny? in In this world, and this is a side tangent, because there's super power people and abilities, you can't like compete with some of that. like You can't sell a car that's really good and then just see Mr. Terrific fly in balls and and like a chair.
00:16:40
Speaker
And then you're like, hey, can can you guys make that? And like an automotive company would just have to give up to say, no, we don't know how to do that. like We can't make that for you. And Mr. Terrific is just like, no, it's only for me. I'm not i not like like marketing might and not marketinging my so my spaceship to the other people.
00:17:00
Speaker
And it's like, oh, hey, you know, mr Terrific just has these balls that are non-lethal. They'll hurt, they do awesome things, but they don't kill. And then... like i say that because in this universe, rarely anyone has a real gun.
Superman's Identity and Public Perception
00:17:16
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do you notice that? No one any no one has something long-range and looks... very practical in a like superpower battle everyone is just melee first and then then eventually it's okay whip out the guns but even then it's just more like a noise maker yeah because what what are like lex's like raptors using punching yeah lasers just just like armor they're like like yeah like mech suits mech suits that punch you which why even do a mech suit just make tanks
00:17:53
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And their weakness is that there's a human inside that. We'll get into it, because now, were you shocked about the hammer?
00:18:07
Speaker
Like, i had a sneaking suspicion about him in the beginning.
00:18:12
Speaker
Well, I mean, it's yeah, it's like when he he comes out of suit and it's Ultraman. It's funny that he's wearing double like face coverings. Yeah. Well, and also, like who's providing the voice? Because like he Ultraman doesn't talk at all in the movie.
00:18:28
Speaker
So like it's like let's just have like a guy like on a speaker who's like, hey, you're do ah do a terrible be briefing accent. So maybe that's AI? At least they want... Can they least explain that? That would have been made sense, because...
00:18:44
Speaker
Spoiler, the Hammer... So Ultraman is a clone of Superman, but yeah he's not intelligent, so how does he know how to act that he's talking when he's not talking?
00:19:01
Speaker
Maybe maybe maybe this one of Lex's fighting commands, like maybe he has other ones, like, do do public speaking mode... Body language? 6G, like...
00:19:12
Speaker
This is so complicated. I get the fight techniques is telling him which moves that somehow he memorized instead of just, like, giving him video updates and stuff to see.
00:19:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's crazy at Lex has to, like, manually say every command. Yeah. And that Superman's not fighting on instinct. He has to fight by basically paint-by-numbers of fight moves.
00:19:39
Speaker
Yeah, Superman is so predictable that like Lex can like you like can use... like He knows what his moves are, and then... The only explanation one of these guys, like he's been studying Superman for years. like He knows his every move.
00:19:52
Speaker
He's assigned all these moves to fight him. Yeah, but then Superman is also super smart, so wouldn't he just... try a different fight style instead of punching. Superman doesn't kick.
00:20:04
Speaker
No, he doesn't. He doesn't kick. He rarely grapples. Because when he does, it's like it's not even like good submissions. It's more tossing.
00:20:16
Speaker
Or like fly them up into like higher, like into the atmosphere or something. But he still punches them. Mm-hmm. it's not just I flew you up, it's I'm punching you and bringing you up into a place to lessen your oxygen intake.
Lex Luthor's Plans and Technological Implications
00:20:31
Speaker
But the only time I saw him fight, and this is also in the 90s where basically they they ran out moves, so they just kept re-exaggerating the moves, was basically when he had a drunken brawl with Doomsday. Mm-hmm.
00:20:45
Speaker
And I remember he was doing, like, hammer punches and just, like, I don't know what the move is called, but like basically what wrestlers do is they they grasp both their hands and they, like, come down like a hammer.
00:20:57
Speaker
Yeah, it's like it's like a hammer drop or something. like Yeah, yeah, like it's that. It's like things you really shouldn't do in a real fight. It's like there's like a William Shatner, like, Kirk move. It's like his karate, but it's like... Yeah, yeah.
00:21:11
Speaker
But, you know, i'm like that that was that's Superman's fight style. So I guess after, like, a few years of watching Superman, you're like, okay. Yeah, he's just going to save five moves over and over again. like You figure Superman will figure out, like, learn another move.
00:21:28
Speaker
You what's funny? He's been Superman for maybe three, four years? i think I think three years yeah. And because he's been winning for the last three years, he just never learned anything else besides, like, win laser vision, mate maybe? Which he doesn't really... He barely uses laser vision, except for, like, toward the end.
00:21:50
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He uses, like, his breath more laser vision movie. So, I get why Ultraman... altarman is a better fighter when he can counter. But I mean, when he can't counter, it's no instinct.
00:22:04
Speaker
Because Ultraman is also maybe three.
00:22:08
Speaker
Who knows? Yeah. Who knows what Lex made him?
00:22:12
Speaker
ah That being said, ah the first opening fight, when you can see like, you know, what's at stake, the world building, I do like this movie feels like a, like lived in world.
00:22:26
Speaker
Yeah. Where, uh, Like everyone's used to superheroes and villains. No one's asking, you know, origins. They're just sort of like, oh, that's what's going on. Cool. That's what's up.
00:22:38
Speaker
A giant monster stopping around now. Okay. That little monster following ah like ah unleashing like little kaiju. It's very funny, but I also have concerns, because what if that little monster just went after the Lex, like it went after to the Lex building?
00:22:56
Speaker
It's not like they dropped it off and went like, okay, now attack this or anything. It just went, right, we'll just let it loose, and hopefully it doesn't return back to the Lex area or whatever.
00:23:07
Speaker
Lex wasn't there. He probably didn't care. If he wasn't there, he probably care. So he was like, I was building this building. true True. He doesn't care later when like the rift is like ripping his bar. He like drops like his like special like spaceship bridge. or like His hover like office.
00:23:24
Speaker
so but what do What do you think about the naming? Because this is Luther Corp instead of Lex Corp. It's usually Lex Corp in most of the iterations.
00:23:37
Speaker
i don't I don't care. It's fine. and Yeah, because but here's the same thing. It's supposed to be his father's empire, mostly from like a lot of the other lore of Lex Luthor.
00:23:49
Speaker
Because then it's like, this time around, it's the family name, so Luthor instead of Lex.
00:23:59
Speaker
Yeah. and I'm just saying. It's different that it's back to Luthor. Because... Maybe he has siblings. Maybe he's not the only child. We don't know. We only got just the Nicholas Holt unhinge um iteration, which I appreciate in this version.
00:24:17
Speaker
He is straight up looks like supervillain. Like he. He's definitely like more of a Jeff Bezos supervillain where maybe his public image is so suave, but definitely behind closed doors like it's.
00:24:32
Speaker
It's the villainy that you think they're doing. come true where it's like, okay, we should build a dimensional rift portal.
Justice Gang's Role and Character Focus
00:24:40
Speaker
Yeah, which yeah which he mean he's got, Lex has so much stuff he's done in the background of like, and no one's known, like, yeah he's built like dimensional rifts, he's built a Superman's like clone.
00:24:50
Speaker
He made his own paramilitary army. which Which they just let, like, hang out, like, couple miles outside of Metropolis. It's like, oh, yeah, you to take over this, um like, abandoned military base? Fine. what Sure, that's cool, Lex.
00:25:02
Speaker
Okay, wait, but that's even crazy think. Why does Metropolis, like, a very modern-day city with very... not Not so much crime because Superman's patrolling? Like, ah the Justice Gang is, like, in the same neighborhood?
00:25:15
Speaker
Mm-hmm. So you'd go to some other city. i don't i don't watch I don't read enough modern day Superman comics to see if anyone else is fighting crime in Metropolis.
00:25:26
Speaker
Or does Metropolis suffer from the typical street gang crimes or just like low levels?
00:25:36
Speaker
I don't know if there's as much street-level crime as, like, Gotham. because like Yeah, that's just notorious. I feel like the criminals in Gotham are like, well, beman like Batman... I don't know if they know... I think some of the criminals think he's like a superhuman or whatever, but some of them are just like, he's just a dude. like we can Maybe he would chance. like Maybe he's too busy. Yeah, I think they're betting on everyone doing crime at the same time. the same yeah So then you can't stop them all, which is the betting man's odds.
00:26:04
Speaker
It's just like... It's one out of a hundred on that night. But Superman can stop all the crimes within like, you know, 20 minutes. Right. So that's what I'm saying. Like, okay, so I get why they have, they're not worried about abandoned structures, but the abandoned structure is like on a nice beachfront property in like the city. That that would be like scooped up by a real estate company.
00:26:30
Speaker
do um And also, they would track that armor guy. They would be like, okay, so the hammer went from the town center or the city center, flew to Lex's beach and then went inside. So is Lex working with the hammer? Like what's going on? and like, does no one question that?
00:26:51
Speaker
was That's such a weird... like it's like It kind of feels like a waste of like the dimensional portal, because like he goes in and then just ends up in Lex's office. like well there's There's no other way to like sneak him into like your office no one sees that you're like working with him. You have to like use like your crazy dimensional pocket dimension.
00:27:09
Speaker
Which, it seems like there's still a slight chance that every time they open that dimensional riff, something can go wrong. It's not stable science.
00:27:21
Speaker
So... Yeah, but was Lex saying he created his own Big Bang and then created his own universe in the middle of two universes? Yep.
00:27:31
Speaker
He basically opened a wormhole, made a Big Bang in that wormhole, then it became a viable reality. Yeah. And then in that wormhole is the is like ah connection tunnel.
00:27:48
Speaker
But It's interesting that like Lex was able to basically create life, or even he was able to fabricate existence.
Cultural and Historical References
00:28:02
Speaker
And that wasn't enough for him? Yeah. You don't want to just rule your pocket dimension? I mean, it's empty.
00:28:12
Speaker
and I gotta kill Superman. Because I'm jealous of him.
00:28:21
Speaker
i was i was I thought for sure that was going to be like those like portals were going to be like um boom tubes. It's like an Easter egg thing. but guess I guess it's just like Lex just made those himself.
00:28:34
Speaker
Yeah, you're right.
00:28:38
Speaker
Because that could have been like a fun line of like oh it's like, it's like i have i alien technology I discovered. Yeah. Or it's even in the research to find how to stop a Krytonian, I discovered other life forms or other alien tech that wasn't quite up to snuff, but they'll do to see, because it has to be...
00:28:58
Speaker
ah I guess it has to be something on that level, or else Lex isn't a competitor to be a threat to Superman.
00:29:10
Speaker
yeah he's got he's got to Yeah, he's got to use this, like... Massive like intellect to fight Superman. Because he's not a physical threat. i mean I wouldn't say physical. But even just the will and the means. To able to do that.
00:29:24
Speaker
It is something that this movie. Lex isn't his biggest thing. Really isn't. I mean. Okay. Take that back. The more I think about it. Why is Lex's theme again. Always about real estate.
00:29:37
Speaker
Yeah.
00:29:41
Speaker
It's constantly real estate in the movies. Everything else and in other forms, he's like, he wants to become God. He wants to control the world. He wants to um like be a liaison to aliens. So that way he can still control the world, but he will be the like guardian.
00:30:04
Speaker
I guess the like the like like governor the planets. Yeah, an overseer. And then this. And then even the Gene Hackman version and well, at least the first Gene Hackman version and then even the Kevin Spacey was just like Lex wanted to just own land.
00:30:31
Speaker
And in this time it was just subplot was he he wanted to become king. but that was just like a ruse. it was He would get that still. that was like yeah This time it was just a bonus for like his shoes true plan.
00:30:44
Speaker
Yeah. Which his true plan was just to kill Superman. to to To create the circumstances that the government would like allow him to like try to kill Superman.
00:30:55
Speaker
To make Superman look a threat. But that's not super original because he he almost did that in Dawn of Justice.
00:31:08
Speaker
Except he didn't do it. He just got and someone who could fight to do it. But he didn't want land in that one. So, i mean, that was another different one. Yeah, instead of tricking Batman, it's like this Lexus tricking the US government.
00:31:24
Speaker
I mean, he did it in a super convoluted way. yeah i mean, granted, even in the other scheme, he did it in a very convoluted Joker way of just being an agent of chaos.
00:31:37
Speaker
ah So I didn't mind. like again I didn't quite mind Lex and Donna Justice, and that's the latest one everyone's comparing to. I could definitely tell this is where some of the like Schneider fans were just like, well, it's been done already.
00:31:52
Speaker
Well, I think Nicholas Hall is like so much better than Jesse Eisenberg. Oh, yeah. like Jesse Eisenberg is the freaking Mark Zuckerberg. zuckerberg Yeah. Where Nicholas Holt definitely has his own... It stands out a lot more.
00:32:06
Speaker
I've never seen a Nicholas Holt character like this.
00:32:13
Speaker
and Everyone's kind of... Everyone's definitely they're like kind of like ah It's a throwback to the like Richard Dotter movies. A little bit. like all the character the The main three are like kind of like... There's definitely elements of the original... Like Gene Hackman, Mario Kidder, Christopher Reeve, and all them.
00:32:32
Speaker
Well... Yeah, I feel like that that helps because that makes it seem very whimsical world. Everyone isn't grim and dark. They're all like, almost everyone's excited to just kind of explain things.
00:32:47
Speaker
Where in the Schneiderverse, everyone kind of like, it seems like they're beating out confessions to reveal stuff, except for Lex. Yeah. Where he just likes to reveal it like an evil, maniacal plan.
00:33:00
Speaker
yeah every like The Snyderverse is so so like dark and oppressive. And this world is fun and bright and cheerful. Despite despite like despite like some things all get like bad things going on, but like most it's mostly fun.
00:33:14
Speaker
and mostly upbeat. Yeah.
00:33:19
Speaker
It's like, oh, there's an occasional like giant monster or like ah you know like global like war like war across like international war, but other than that, it's fun. and
00:33:33
Speaker
What do you think about the retelling of the Kryptonian lore?
Superman and Heritage Confrontation
00:33:40
Speaker
i didn't I didn't mind that. then like I think we were talking before we started, like, My Adventures of Superman, the the animated series, which is great if anyone hasn't seen that, to check that out.
00:33:52
Speaker
vet i was like like That was already kind of primed me for this, because they that show also kind of like switched up the Kryptonian lore lot. Where Krypton's more of like ah like a conquering, war-like society.
00:34:09
Speaker
it also has the element of like Superman doesn't ring no a lot of his like but like culture or like history with Krypton.
00:34:17
Speaker
I mean, I like that in a way that we are experiencing it the same time that Superman is. It's not some sort of hidden detail that he didn't mention or someone else knew, it it really is just like, oh shit. like you You watch him process it, and then he also has to process it, too.
00:34:38
Speaker
it is it's It's crazy how fast people turn on him, though. um my god. It's instant. It's it's sleep youre like throwing cans at his head and like saying like he's like a monster.
00:34:49
Speaker
I mean, you know what's crazy? It's like... It's not like Superman was caught with like his harem. No, yeah. It's like being broadcast.
00:35:02
Speaker
It's not like the the news is that this conquering species of but of like alien visitors is like revealed. like I understand if he came to Earth and this happened at the same time he came to Earth, everyone's just like, what the hell?
00:35:19
Speaker
Right? Yeah. It seems like by... this timeline, he's not the first alien they've seen. right Yeah, probably not. yeah If anything, it's like, what if other another country announced that they had, like, a conquering plan?
00:35:38
Speaker
You know, it's like, this world seems very smart and aware of, like, You know, like ah like superhuman spaceships, super science, like just just something where it's like very fantastical.
00:35:57
Speaker
But the moment they meet an alien that almost almost has the same mentality of conquering and like expanding. They're just like, what? How dare they?
00:36:08
Speaker
it just people People are more offended by the harem part than like the conquering parts. Yeah, that's the crazy thing, right? It's just like, wait, like other cultures, if given the chance, would do the same. They're like, we would like to build on this empire.
00:36:23
Speaker
It's not just like, okay, wait, wait, wait. They're like, harem? We're fine of you trying to conquer us, but a harem? No man should have more than one woman. You know? like It was like, so ah so a knee-jerk thing that I was like, even taking that bow, I was like,
00:36:40
Speaker
wait a minute. Like, it's honestly like, oh, they're ever a message of peace. It's like, all right, that's that's the story he's been saying for three years. And then he gets new news. It's this. And then that no one asks him. It's like, hey, you're going conquering our people. He'd just be like,
00:36:55
Speaker
OK, because if you do like the Justice Gang will beat the crap out of you.
Lex's Manipulation Tactics
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah, i feel yeah feel I feel like Superman did, like, he kind of could have done a little bit more to get the message out there Like, hey, no, like I've never heard that before. Like, it was it broken. Like, i did i never don't know what I don't know what that message was.
00:37:16
Speaker
I've only heard the first part. Or even then, it's like, hey, like, you want to tell everyone how you got that message there, Lex? yeah Yeah, no questions how like how that came about.
00:37:27
Speaker
Yeah. yeah See? it's It's the, like, fallacy that Superman should have argued to be like, by the way, like, how did you get this message? Did you break into my house?
00:37:39
Speaker
Also, where's my dog? Just tell people about the dog. Oh, yeah. like Freaking out. yeah so like Yeah, say, like, Lex kidnapped my dog and, like, is probably torturing him right now. And then people would instantly turn on Lex.
00:37:53
Speaker
And then even then, it's like, so, does any of the Superbots have cameras built in to record what was happening, like a memory game. Polygrams, yeah, anything. And just play that and be like, anyway, so that's Ultraman and, like, your nanobot lady, engineer, and Lex breaking and and beating up my dog. Just release that.
00:38:15
Speaker
Release that portion. And then Lex can't be like, well... I'm allowed to do that. like you know you and then and then have this the same like however many like computer forensic experts confirm that that footage is real.
00:38:32
Speaker
which I love how but like how often they say, like well, dozens of experts confirmed it. It's real. like It's like multiple characters. like It's like, Mr. Terrific...
00:38:43
Speaker
ah like Lex, ah like Rick Flagg Sr. Like, everyone's just like, but yeah, the message is real. There's absolutely no possible way it was fake. It's real. How?
00:38:55
Speaker
It's the one MacGuffin of like, what? Alright, who are these experts? Are they also supervillains? Who know, like, Kryptonian. Like, how they how they translate the Kryptonian.
00:39:07
Speaker
That's an interesting part. It's like, Did they burn out an ocean's worth of water for ai to translate a foreign alien language? like what what like that' that's it's like That's like the only source of Kryptonian language on the planet. like Superman doesn't speak Kryptonian.
00:39:26
Speaker
There must have been like a lexicon that they... took something to translate there might have been like a phrase but that would have at least someone had to say that where it's like okay well we found some texts written kryptonian texts and we decode like things and we spent like two years like doing this for this plan to work yeah That's all like Lex had to mention in order for us to go, okay, so they someone built ah like a language guide.
00:39:58
Speaker
Then they figured out this. Then they did that. But because they didn't mention that, yeah, we're just sort of like... experts gave an answer you know we're like who are these experts unless unless the engineer maybe she like when she absorbed l like got the messages like completed and like absorbed all the information maybe she like learned like kryptonian instantly or something like it's like the matrix oh maybe maybe when she interfaced with like kryptonian computer tech she became the expert
00:40:30
Speaker
Because it's definitely going to help from like the Superman robots because they got instantly killed all the Superman robots immediately.
Dimensional Rift Risks
00:40:37
Speaker
Actually, there would have been a cool scene if she absorbed a robot.
00:40:43
Speaker
Hacked, absorbed, and then that gave her the lexicon and then that let her do everything. So that kind of makes sense. But you know how me and you have to kind of jump through those hoops to get to that to make sense? yeah It didn't come off that easy.
00:40:57
Speaker
It's definitely like a plot hole.
00:41:01
Speaker
Yeah, when when you're when you're watching it, it's fine. But then you when you think about it later, it's like, how did they translate that like message? it's very it's It's also not like you know a simple throwaway plot point. It's very important to moving the plot.
00:41:15
Speaker
Yes, that's the whole it's ah that's the whole reason like the the government's like, yes, Lex, you can detain Superman now. We okayed this like Black Ops military operation. We okayed Geneva Code like is removed from Superman.
00:41:31
Speaker
he's an alien, he doesn't have any rights. We're allowed we are allowing you to dump him in a dimensional pocket. Mm-hmm. It's a negative zone, basically.
00:41:43
Speaker
where Where Lex just, like, dumps all of his, like, dissenters and, like, people he doesn't like. He just, like, throws them into the negative zone. Uh, yeah. Does he say people like people like ah governments pay him also to, like, lock people, like, dissenters and, like like government like, people that the governments don't want away, too?
00:42:01
Speaker
so so it's like If it's like a political enemy, maybe. Yeah, it's ah it's like it's like it's like a super beefed up like CIA black site or something. Or just dump people in there and no one will ever see them again.
00:42:13
Speaker
i mean, that's true. that that That happens. Especially if you're like a high-stake prisoner. And, um... let's just say in that prison, it's too risky for you to be there.
00:42:26
Speaker
They will offsite you. They will be like, you're either going to another country or you're going to be hidden in plain sight. Like some crazy, like, you know, you imagine like, I don't know, like,
00:42:43
Speaker
I think of a famous landmark, like Legoland in New York. Yep. Underneath the Legoland happens to be like a black site off. You're like, what? Like, yeah, no one thinks about going to Legoland.
00:42:55
Speaker
But that's also the thing with like Lex's portals. Like they're an obvious points where... ah if you go to this location, it's already kind of sketchy. yeah only one The only portal that made sense was Lex's like office.
00:43:10
Speaker
His escape pod tunnel. Because the portal can move to wherever you need to the portal goes. Yeah. But why have the portal that can just go anywhere, be in a fixed location that is, like, all outside of the city?
00:43:25
Speaker
Like, very, like, not even, like, outside miles away, like, just the coast of the city. In a tent. Not even, like, a secure, like, bunker. think it's, like, just in, like, ah a big tent.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, and there's no locked door. Nope, it's just, like, a guy in like, a Hawaiian shirt sitting outside of it. And and again it's some some, like, ah raptor guards.
00:43:47
Speaker
If anything, it should have been like a dumb like eight part device that they need to like assemble if they want to do a portal like opening and closing. And then the parts are always in motion.
00:44:00
Speaker
And the only time they come together is whenever they're like called and then they're assembled. No, it but and but it's just like, Lexus is like, just like, boop, boop, boop, portals are open, okay. like yeah but You know, like, it just, that's like, they they really need need to know how to do physical encryptions.
00:44:18
Speaker
It needs to be more complicated to open like a rift into like a pocket dimension. It normally should. like in a In super science, the the downfall is if it's something so powerful yet easy to access, it's gonna backfire.
00:44:34
Speaker
That's like off the bat the comic book super science rule.
00:44:41
Speaker
And then... ah But you see what I mean? like In this universe, this can't be the first year they've done this. like It has to be like other shit has happened leading up to this where it's like... What were the first attempts? If this was like the most grand world ending, I think, of the day, of the time, I don't know what else has happened.
00:45:05
Speaker
What was the year one like? What was happening then?
Justice Gang Dynamics
00:45:11
Speaker
Well, I mean, we know, like, ah Superman wasn't involved, obviously, but we know, like, the Suicide Squad fought Starro, but that was, like, in, like, you know Quarter Maltese, whatever that was.
00:45:26
Speaker
And then, yeah know, Peacemaker stopped, like, the ah the other Yeah. Oh, true. Okay, so that brings us to another point where the alien invasion didn't get like more publicized in the Superman world because it's like, well, Superman, you want to come here and try to start a harem?
00:45:47
Speaker
It's like, what about the bug people from another planet who wanted to control your brains? And the giant starfish to control your brains. And the giant starfish that was controlled by the U.S. government. Like, what?
00:45:59
Speaker
Mm-hmm.
00:46:03
Speaker
and And a bunch of monsters that, like, like but invaded a foreign country.
00:46:13
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's there's there's a lot of crazy stuff that happened before Superman. That's why I'm like, sometimes the timeline even is questionable for me. And I'm always still confused.
00:46:25
Speaker
I guess the thing is, too, that it's all, like, Black Ops, like, Argus stuff, so maybe maybe it's all, like, kind of got swept under the rug. Like, it wasn't, like, that public. They hit able to hide it i could see that but like a giant a giant like a rift like ripping through metropolis is like you can't hide that anymore well you can't like you can't be like okay well forget that rift forget that this hole ever happened because everyone's interested in where the hell this hole is and why did it happen
00:47:02
Speaker
So we haven't we have't really mentioned, like, we should probably talk about the Justice Gang more, because haven't really talked about them that much.
00:47:10
Speaker
I think Nathan Fillion is a fantastic Guy Gardner, like, just absolutely perfect for, like, the comic book, like, just being ah a giant asshole. Uh, yeah. please nail like the hair The hair, everything, like, it's it's it's perfect. And his, like, his Green Lantern manifestations, like, just, like, giant middle fingers and stuff is, like, perfect for him.
00:47:33
Speaker
i like that larry I like that they could have gone with like Hale Jordan or Jon Stewart, but the guy Gardner, everyone expects to just be like, why? or like, what makes him unique? And then you realize he's just dumb.
00:47:49
Speaker
yeah He's cocky and dumb. Super overconfident, yeah. like think thinks like Thinks he's like the most powerful person.
00:48:00
Speaker
But like I like how the, like, whatever the Green Lantern Council doesn't just, like, hey, how are you doing? Like, just checking in on him or anything? Like, they're okay with his quality of work.
00:48:12
Speaker
Yeah. It's like, yeah, how how did he become, like, an international, like, space cop? It's assumed that he's the first of the human one because no one else questions him. But in the comics, when Guy Garner's, he's like always the second or third Green Lantern that's like it's his ring. He's not just like the first.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah.
00:48:39
Speaker
I say that because like, again, we're just like dumbstruck how like stupid he is or like overconfident he is. It's just hilarious that like they're they're like a corporate team. They work for Maxwell Lord.
00:48:52
Speaker
So it's like, he's not even doing his Green Lantern like job. He's like he's like a corporate he's just like a corporate superhero for Maxwell Lord.
Media Comparisons
00:49:01
Speaker
Yeah, he's a spokesman. Yeah. yeah the That's actually more accurate.
00:49:09
Speaker
he's he's in in the Justice Gang, Maxwell Lord was the original, like, bankroller to get the superheroes, like, in america in America, like, fund their building.
00:49:24
Speaker
Yep. That's actually, like, Hall of Justice. like Yeah, and then they're like, okay, we need to do, like, unique character twist. Let's make him evil now. So, that's actually, like,
00:49:39
Speaker
what they like they modernize him that way.
00:49:45
Speaker
And after that, he became a Wonder Woman villain more. I had to look that up because it's like Maxwell Lord has a very like complicated backstory. just He was just a regular like rich guy the beginning and then over the years they just morphed his character into becoming
00:50:04
Speaker
evil or just greedy more.
00:50:11
Speaker
Can you imagine if they had a cross-dimensional thing and then Pedro Pascal's Maxwell Lord like shows up? Yeah. I wouldn't mind that. That would have been one one step too far. Sorry, just sorry like so much Pedro this summer.
00:50:31
Speaker
And then Mr. Terrific, probably one of the most characters movie.
00:50:37
Speaker
it's it's great It's great that Yidhi Kuthigi gets redemption for like how they treated him in X-Men at first class as like Darwin. like He can survive anything except like an energy ball dropped out of his throat. He's the only one that gets killed.
00:50:51
Speaker
I always forget that no one else really died in that movie. He's literally the only person that died. And he's supposed to be the one that literally unkillable.
00:51:02
Speaker
Because he can like adapt to anything.
00:51:07
Speaker
But he's he's awesome. I love his... like he's kind of like He's almost like a Blaxploitation character, where he's like he's like super just like he's like Black Dynamite or something.
00:51:16
Speaker
And then yeah he gets arguably the best fight scene in the movie. When he goes and takes down all at Lex's army base. Oh yeah, that's definitely the... likex is like a we base oh yeah that that's definitely the
00:51:31
Speaker
like just like it's it's it's like It's also like it's just pure James Gunn. There's a pop song playing, it's in slow motion, there's like crazy stuff happening all around. It's it's literally like the Yondu whistle scene from like what was the second Guardians movie.
00:51:47
Speaker
The first one with the whistle scene with him taking out the people, but then the extended whistle one. That was second Guardians movie.
00:51:57
Speaker
Which again, super cool. Made it stand out. Very dark, if you think about it. yeah And then, yeah, you get this version where he just keeps bopping people in the head with balls.
00:52:09
Speaker
Yep.
00:52:14
Speaker
I was like, speaking the music quick, I do think this definitely was not my favorite like James Gunn soundtrack. like The songs are fine, but it's as memorable as the Peace Beaker soundtrack Guardian's soundtrack.
00:52:27
Speaker
Yeah. not Not a lot of, like, awesome saw awesome mix, Volume 1. Yeah. If anything, there's, like, a few songs I rediscovered. I definitely started listening to Teddy Bears more.
00:52:42
Speaker
Like, I liked them before, but now I'm just like, oh, hey, this definitely revitalized, like, the beat again. And then I think...
00:52:56
Speaker
um Isabella Merced kind of gets like, she doesn't have a really a lot to do. She's kind of just there. Hopefully she'll have more like later on, but... Because they don't really don't explain anything about Hawkgirl, and then she kind of just like flies around hits people with mace. That's all she does.
00:53:14
Speaker
And screams. yeah's which that Yeah, that's a weird choice. To have her actually scream like a hawk when she like flies around
00:53:23
Speaker
So do you think she's an alien or you think she's some sort of super mutated human?
00:53:30
Speaker
I mean, according to Wikipedia, she's reoccurring from an alien. But that was definitely not the text of the movie. Maybe James Gunn said that some point. But i where do you say that on the way to the bathroom at Comic-Con?
00:53:42
Speaker
Yeah. Like, oh, James Gunn, before you go to the bathroom, like, who's Hawker from? He's like, I don't know. Reoccurring from an alien. Get out of my way.
Daily Planet Characters' Roles
00:53:53
Speaker
Hawkman and of those insanely convoluted history in the literature comics. Aren't they, like, immortal? They keep being, like, reborn? yes it's like some of them some of them are, like, and more, like, they're, like, reincarnations of, like, Egyptian, like, Egyptian priestess, and then some of them, like, aliens, and there's, like, a like planet of hawks, and then it's, like, it's, like, multiple different possible,
00:54:22
Speaker
like ah ah like origins for like a hawk person. I also think that it depends on what series. It's like how grounded the series is.
00:54:32
Speaker
They kind of go either way. I know Justice League Unlimited that's everyone's kind of baseline hawk girl, hawk man story. And it's just later an alien of hawk people.
00:54:46
Speaker
And then the comics I think is the one where their Egyptian reincarnation. I think it's just the two. And then... Then after that, it's just like...
00:54:58
Speaker
um It's a mix of both. don't know there's a third one. It's just like... She's just like... Mutated from Hawk DNA. And then she's Hawk person.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:55:15
Speaker
Yeah, it doesn't seem like she has a secret identity, since I guess when you are part of the Justice gang, you don't you don't have a secret... i You know, except for Mr. Terrific, like, you're just... your regular selves.
00:55:29
Speaker
Yeah, ever everyone just knows... Well, I don't know if they... like Do people, like, know their, like, actual names? Or they just know, like, oh, it's Hawkgirl? Like... it's it's great It's Guy Gardner. Well, the thing is, they don't wear a mask.
00:55:40
Speaker
At least two of them don't. Mr. Terrific has a mask. And also, Mr. Terrific, the one we see, is the second version of a Mr. Terrific. Yeah. Of the Mr. Terrifics, he's like there's only been two incarnations, and the one we see is the more recent one that has happened in the last 30 years?
00:56:04
Speaker
but like he was like invent That version was made in the 80s.
00:56:12
Speaker
Fact checking with me? Yeah, I'm just like... um It's... for First appearing in Spectre, that's weird. like That's a weird comic to show up in. From this terrific...
00:56:27
Speaker
I just know, like like... The only gla version I really saw before before this was the Arrow version.
00:56:33
Speaker
and I forgot, like, it was close, but, like, it was just, like, a Costume City version of Mr. Terrific, right? Yeah, i mean, he had, like, the Fair Play coat and everything. But, like, that' that's already from the original Mr. Terrific.
00:56:45
Speaker
That was his thing. Yeah, you had, yeah.
00:56:49
Speaker
So, again, you know mean? Like, you're not, that's not super original.
00:56:56
Speaker
And I think on Arrow they can only afford like one T-sphere or two T-spheres. They barely use them because it's like, well, it's CG. We really can't afford it. so like Constantly come up with excuses why you can't use the C-spheres.
00:57:17
Speaker
And he was and he just he became more of like the... it's weird because they had like... like He was kind of like a guy yeah on the keyboard, but that all they they had Felicity behind the keyboard too. So it's like yeah you had two people on the keyboards like in the back in the base like helping. the Yeah.
00:57:33
Speaker
The tech support. Yeah.
00:57:42
Speaker
But yeah, this version is definitely more hands-on. Yeah. got up You know what's crazy? The more I looked into it, i was like, oh, was he meant back in the 80s? No, he's a 90s creation.
00:57:53
Speaker
The second Mr. Terrific. Wow. Yeah.
00:57:59
Speaker
We're older than mr the second Mr. Terrific. This is super goddamn weird.
00:58:09
Speaker
Yeah. his yeah his is He's like the most, easily the most competent member of the Justice Gang. Oh, if he just had like another teammate, this that would have been it. like a um They have a team.
00:58:22
Speaker
Yeah, he just can't play.
00:58:29
Speaker
Now, granted, I feel like he he can take on some superpower people, but um it's not like I don't think he could take on the hammer.
00:58:42
Speaker
i Yeah, I feel like the hammer would be like impervious to like T-Spheres. That's like cause that's like that's his go-to. He just sends T-Spheres after them. once they yeah Once you do that, then you're like, now what?
Lois Lane's Investigative Skills
00:58:52
Speaker
yeah if you if Yeah, if you can get if you can get through with the T-Spheres, like he like I don't know how his actual fighting abilities are. I
00:59:01
Speaker
think it's okay. I think i've I've read comics where he takes on certain villains hand-to-hand, but it has to be a very power level has to match.
00:59:16
Speaker
Oh, we haven't we haven really mentioned of the Daily Planet people either. Alright, we'll just quickly go through that. Well, I thought, like, Rachel Nazahan, I think, was, like, a great Lois. Like, she was definitely, like, channeling Marco Kidder.
00:59:30
Speaker
Yep. I like that she isn't just a damsel. and It's not like she is just... I'm a reporter, and I have, like, experience, I'm cocky about it It's like she actually breaks down good investigation, and then she has that, like, almost like a mini detective moment of things, where she's like, look at this evidence, and I'll go this, I'll go that. Cool, right? Like, we're on board. I don't need to go in depth.
00:59:59
Speaker
This is just, like, things I found. Mm-hmm. It's definitely an excellent interpretation. Yeah. Also, I think I credit it, we we should credit that, like, this is just because James Gunn knew how to, like, tell a very complex thing in a very simplified way.
01:00:20
Speaker
Where I still, to this day, don't know what Lois Lane was doing in Dawn of Justice.
01:00:29
Speaker
I still don't understand the African warlord, the bullet, the, like...
01:00:35
Speaker
what the hell the like proof was well i mean you trial well you saw the like extended cut right nope you've never seen that because the extended cut explains it like it actually happened yeah like again but that that requires me to like watch it all over again and i just can't find like a simple like oh but a movie shouldn't do that this was a very like big scam That involved more than like a crazy like plan to defame Superman.
01:01:05
Speaker
It was like, they're trying to legally kill Superman for like being an enemy to Earth in America. It's a crazier scheme. But I understood it well, because Lois Lane definitely found like the key highlights and connected to the dots and went, does this make sense? Alright, this, alright, this, and that.
01:01:24
Speaker
Well, with help with help from Jimmy, who... Yeah, who broke the case, who basically, if you didn't have this, then the movie wouldn't, like, move on. But I'm fine with that. Like, that that make that's the suspense of belief, which I'm okay with.
01:01:40
Speaker
It is such a great, like, funny bit where, like, the but key evidence is, like, Eve Tesmacher's, like, sexy selfies. Yeah, it's all, like, E moments. But she's taking pictures in front of, like, all the evidence. Yeah.
01:01:57
Speaker
time I do. I like, what you think of like Jimmy being like the, you just like, it's like ladies man. Like we're like all the, all the women are just like, Oh my God, Jimmy. Like, I like it.
01:02:09
Speaker
It's definitely like a different time. and and and And, like, we're so used to what we think Jimmy would be in other mediums.
01:02:20
Speaker
so like He's like a dork with a camera, just like around, like, Superman, give me a picture! like Right, right. Well, for all we know, and some in something about the James Gunn universe is that, like, being the dorky, like, homeboy style, the very, like, country good guy, drinks milk with dinner. Mm-hmm.
01:02:40
Speaker
Like, if that's what people are with Jimmy, how is, like, no one, like, trying to hit on Clark Kent all the time? Like, if you think about it, like, they're both kind of dorks, but wouldn't Clark is the same thing as Jimmy?
01:02:53
Speaker
Well, it's crazy that we, like, we we only see, like, literally one scene of, like, Superman, like, in full disguise as Clark. Oh, no, like, at the office. but like Right at the beginning, and then that and he's, like, never... yeah He's only Clark, like, in, like, Lois' apartment, and then in the rest of the movie, he's, like, is Superman.
01:03:11
Speaker
Like, he's never, like... He's never, like, in the glasses, like, right like being, like ah like, clumsy, like, I couldn't be Superman. I'm... I'm clumsy and awkward. Like, I can't be Superman.
01:03:22
Speaker
Well, I think um it was just enough, and... I'm fine with not him being Clark, because Clark is the disguise. Yeah.
01:03:35
Speaker
I feel like if you spend too much time as Clark, we're getting back into the rehash of how stressful it is to be Clark, and he has to do dumb things like go on a double date or something, or like have Superman and and Clark appear at the same time.
01:03:53
Speaker
Yeah. And this is this is definitely more about him like like reckoning with like his alien heritage, and or like trying to figure out which which like which which side is like more important to him.
Superman's Dual Identity
01:04:06
Speaker
no And I feel like in the next movie, we're we're definitely going get way more Clark. Like, and you know, boost of Clark scenes, just because we want to see the world react.
01:04:18
Speaker
We want to see basically how he's learned to be a better human. Even though he hasn't he doesn't need to. He was already good. Yeah. not like in the next scene, Clark's going to just like get into sports.
01:04:32
Speaker
Or like... um
01:04:37
Speaker
he's gonna have more like don't know he's gonna try different desserts like that's the point in the movie where like he's gonna tell everyone the offense like oh everyone look I'm having this yogurt and you're like what you see classic Clark would be announcing shit like that to be like I'm not Superman Superman doesn't like yogurt you know it sounds dumb but like I'm pretty sure somewhere in a storyline it is one of those like plot points after like 80 years of Superman comics.
01:05:15
Speaker
Yeah.
01:05:18
Speaker
Hopefully we get a little more more like the, like the rest of like Daily Planet crew too. Cause they're like, it's like, it's crazy. They cast, like, it's like they cast everybody, but then they're like barely in the movie. It definitely feels like a set of like, maybe the, maybe they'll be the sequel or like, maybe like at their own show or something. Who knows? Yeah.
01:05:35
Speaker
Yeah, can definitely see, like, a groundwork, but, don't know, would you want, basically, every every formula of this is, like, to make characters just so that they can bank them, just in case they make a TV show?
01:05:48
Speaker
they do, like, the Daily Planet show, and it's just, like, everyone but Clark? but said I mean, this they said the whole thing is like, I think this is definitely just like establishing like who the characters are. Because then if they're like, if there's like animated movies or games or something. Because James Gunn's whole thing is like, whoever recasts is going be the character in like, across all the media. Damn.
01:06:08
Speaker
That's why like, that's why Frank Rillo is, he was in Creature Commandos. and Now he's like in live action as Rick Flag Sr. mean, it's cushy. That's nice. It's like guaranteed work for like five years. And if they make like a DCU universe game, then like whoever like if Superman's in the game, they'll have David Corbin be Superman.
01:06:30
Speaker
I'm wondering that's like in a contract where it's like, okay, listen. i'm sure yeahm sure You can't do anything during this time. You're gonna be doing five things at once. We've got a mobile game.
01:06:41
Speaker
We've got a Happy Meal commercial. We have a serial tie-in.
01:06:54
Speaker
Yeah, I think that that was like, remember when remember we did like the like the the video like explaining all the movies? like That's kind of what a good like that was like he said in that video. of like Yeah, so whoever we cast in, if we cast someone in like in a movie, they're going to be in the, if there's if the character shows up in a show or a game or an anime movie or something, then that character will be, like but that person will be that character.
01:07:15
Speaker
kind of remember that, but I kind of forgot.
01:07:26
Speaker
i definitely I definitely hope we get more ah Wendell Pierce as Perry White in the next one. Because he had had a couple like funny bits, but like like I don't definitely would see more of him.
01:07:38
Speaker
Yeah, he's good. He was a good Perry. he Yeah, he was in full like The Wire mode. He's just chopping a cigar. was like, they probably could have done it because like it's PJ's routine. like wonder if they have a good...
Final Battle Analysis and Ultraman's Fate
01:07:52
Speaker
Do you remember The Wire?
01:07:53
Speaker
Have you ever seen The Wire where it's just like... i think it's it' like the classic scene where they go into a crime scene and it just says shit. All the dialogue. It's like, I didn't really watch all of The Wire. I just watched like certain select parts and I know exactly what you're talking about.
01:08:09
Speaker
yeah ah i would like like he like what appears is just like a perfect like he's like like uses like he uses like shit like samuel jackson uses fuck it's just a it's just a noise he makes it's not even like uh a granted like uh what you call it like a like a mean instrument like yeah it's just something he says in order to just establish the like tone and then it's like why I think I watched 10-minute compilation of Even like ah like Jack Ryan, and he was like the kind of the same character.
01:08:53
Speaker
But he didn't say shit in that. thing He was trying to get away from that. Yeah.
01:09:05
Speaker
But, uh... Yeah, but like so I guess talking about the the ending, I guess, maybe? like the the bit but the big Like, there's the big like um yeah the big fight between Superman and Ultraman, where Superman finally finally realizes that Lex is watching them with cameras, like drone cameras. And it's like, oh, yeah oh that's how you're controlling him. Okay.
01:09:30
Speaker
Well, his super hearing would have picked up on like the mic or just... something to indicate that... yeah Did Ultraman have like an earpiece? like like How is he hearing the like commands?
01:09:45
Speaker
Because Superman could hear like if he like ah like an earpiece it and he would be able to hear like these stuff coming from Lex. Although, like like at the end, Lex just put like a big speaker on Ultraman's chest.
01:09:59
Speaker
That's how he's talking to Superman.
01:10:02
Speaker
guess that's also how he's hearing the commands, too. Maybe. it's like it's it's a two-way It's a two-way speaker.
01:10:16
Speaker
got into beginning of how the voice command fighting is not a great system. Mm-hmm.
01:10:26
Speaker
Oh, there's also the crazy, like, when he fights... He's fighting the Engineer and Ultraman, and, like, the Engineer, like, pumps, like, nanomachines into his, like, lungs.
01:10:38
Speaker
Which is crazy... That was a fun and gross, like, yeah. It was super gross, but then, like, then it came to realization of, like, wait, you're protecting him. Like, you're increasing him. Yeah, when they're flying from orbit, like, he's, like, wrapped in, like, like like ah a layer of, like, nanomachines that will, like, soften the blow, and you two are gonna get, like, smashed.
01:10:57
Speaker
And there's like they're dumb. They're like, wait, what?
01:11:03
Speaker
Here's the thing. Ultraman could but keep up. It makes sense for him to be like, oh, this is just nothing to him. Yeah.
01:11:12
Speaker
But then engineers, smart. wouldn't Wouldn't there be like a warning system going off in our head?
01:11:19
Speaker
Like bail? Like fall into Earth at hundreds miles an hour? Like jump off? Yeah. Or it's like the calculation, the impact, your brain would be beeping.
01:11:34
Speaker
guess not. I guess it's the heat of the moment. She's not like robotic. She just happens to have nanomachines all in her.
Speculation on Ultraman's Future
01:11:41
Speaker
She hates Superman for reasons that are so strong that she has to keep like pumping nanomachines into him.
01:11:49
Speaker
Do you think she has to get more nanomachine injections, or it's like... her body just constantly is the same amount they gave her.
01:11:58
Speaker
Who knows? Maybe we'll we'll find out in the, the authority movie that she's going to be in.
01:12:06
Speaker
And maybe maybe we'll get an explanation of like, yeah, why she hates Superman so much that she would like have her entire body transformed. It's like a nano machine. right. Or maybe she'll show in Peacemaker.
01:12:18
Speaker
maybe yeah
01:12:22
Speaker
That was a fun cameo when John Cena showed up on the like ah fake like Fox News show with the back Black hosts.
01:12:43
Speaker
Chris? like uh yeah i mean but'll we'll get into like the clone superman real quick uh just because yeah we spend a lot time talking all the parts but uh clone superman not bizarro uh according to james gunn he's just clone superman uh and do you think he's dead i mean has sucked a black hole but that they could easily explain like he got stuck in like a different dimension or like he like ended up somewhere else then he comes back like it's like
01:13:20
Speaker
ah yeah I feel like yeah if he's not like definitively like you know we see his body like dead on the ground like he's coming back probably okay or it's like there's like probably a way it' like to bring him back or do something but different he he finds his own he find he finds his own pocket universe and he becomes like the ruler of that or something well it's a sandwich that he's supposed to be very like intelligently, like, backward.
01:13:44
Speaker
He's not quite as smart, but it also makes it seem like he doesn't know anything. Like, he just stands around, he doesn't talk, so... he yeah he he He's not gonna super science his way out later.
01:13:55
Speaker
Yeah, like, he like he he can't, like, function, like, independently. he needs Lex to, like, tell him what to do. i mean, I feel sad for him, but it's like, the movie moves so quick that you don't think about that until, like, days later. Yeah.
01:14:11
Speaker
Oh, it's interesting. was that ultra Ultraman is like from like like, what Earth is that from? easy from like Earth 3? It's the one that has like Owlman stuff on it, but they're like the Evil Justice League.
01:14:26
Speaker
like I guess that's that version. Yeah. I don't know. My my alter like other world Superman before Kingdom Come and all that, I'm all like jumbled. And even then, it's all out the window now.
01:14:40
Speaker
Yeah, so it's's it's interesting they might have like burned like that version of ah like Ultraman with this version. i mean, i guess a I guess they get to say, oh like this is like actually like Ultraman from the other universe.
01:14:56
Speaker
I mean, they even just say he's Ultraman. That's Ultraman of this gun universe, and then they meet like in just Superman that's evil. If they ever do like Crisis on Two Earths or something, it's like a a movie. Yeah.
01:15:09
Speaker
yeah really where the justice society show was the justice i forgot it was just was it just a side idea that it was like they had a different name it was like it was was like owl man was like the evil batman and it was like like ray quick or something was like the flash
01:15:28
Speaker
and it was like it was like superwoman instead of wonder woman
01:15:33
Speaker
I don don't understand how in that universe, like whatever was different, now they like completely change names and colors and sometimes even like nationalities. So I always always appreciate that that world, it's more than just a tiny difference.
Movie Ending and Future Plotlines
01:15:50
Speaker
But like evil, you know? it's like It's a completely different origins. I feel like you've done like there's been at least two like animated movies that have done like that same storyline. and Where it's like the evil Justice League shows up and tries to conquer Earth.
01:16:09
Speaker
like the like the DC anime especially like like like loves like the ah the Evil Justice League.
01:16:25
Speaker
And there's like there's the tease at the end, like ah ah Supergirl shows up, Billy Alcock, who's going to be... i think next year is Supergirl.
01:16:36
Speaker
Which... ah It's based the Tom King comic. Where she guy like ends up on an alien planet and then has no powers and just like fight without any powers. like Fight an evil alien world or something.
01:16:53
Speaker
Well, I guess her dream of just trying to be normal. But then normal is like you are like vulnerable. Yeah, you have to compete. So it's like where she basically is just sort of like on the same power level as like a regular ah person trying to compete in something supernatural.
01:17:17
Speaker
But it seems like she's already doing that because she's like going to like plants with red suns and like getting drunk. Well, she's actively seeking like she's already bored. So yeah, you know, so it makes sense why she has to go to like increasingly...
01:17:30
Speaker
crazy situations for super power person. You know what i mean? Like, it's the the, like, perspective of where we are as, like, our society and in kind of lifestyle as, like, humanity. And it's like, that's like nothing.
01:17:44
Speaker
And then I like how it's, like, that could have became the boys kind of world where she's just sort of like, screw it, I'm just going to drink all the alcohol in the world. Like, what?
01:17:55
Speaker
It's like, instead of Superman Quest for Peace, was it Superman 4 where he takes all the nukes and throws in the sun? Yeah. Superman has to take all the drugs and alcohol and toss that into the sun in order to stop Supergirl.
01:18:08
Speaker
Yeah.
01:18:11
Speaker
Well, going back to my adventure Superman, they had a crazy spin on Supergirl if you're like catch you catch up watch that. Yeah, isn't she like ah like a warrior, like, conqueror?
01:18:23
Speaker
Yeah. Like, she's kind of, like, following, like, the true Kryptonian, like, that, like, Superman doesn't realize is, like, their, like, society is, like, conquering planets. Like, it's funny, like, Kryptonians and, like, Maya Vich and Superman are basically, like, Viltrumites.
01:18:39
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Which I think is after... Invincible TV ait series. No, not even the comic. I just read the comic went, oh yeah, we'll just start doing that now.
01:18:53
Speaker
It's funny because Invincible was a parody off of Superman lore and other things and now it's parrying off of that. Yeah.
01:19:04
Speaker
I wonder what the next parody would be by taking both those concepts and like, what if that plus time travel? I mean, I feel like they've done, like, we've seen, like, every possible iteration of, like, Evil Superman or, like, different, like... I mean, you got the boys, you Invincible, got Brightburn, got, uh, there was, like, like, the Elseworlds ones, like... Was Brightburn James Gunn, or is that something?
01:19:33
Speaker
i think I think he wrote that one, or, like, produced it or something. think he was i think he's definitely involved with it. I can't remember what he was like. read ah He yeah just produced it.
01:19:45
Speaker
Okay.
01:19:49
Speaker
Now, what if whatever reason that is the actual origin of Superman? It's like Brightburn. And then in then after the freak out from Brightburn, Clark started a whole new family.
01:20:04
Speaker
And that's why Pa Kent and Ma Kent are just like country yokels and then they're just like kind-hearted people that like Brightburn couldn't like kill bring himself to kill so then he's like alright I'll just be your son James who just brings all of his like other like his like weird side things into like like Slither shows up and it's like part of the DCU and like super who and then just the Guardians show up for some reason but why not a dimensional riff opens up a Guardian ship pops up mm-hmm
01:20:37
Speaker
We can do it.
01:20:40
Speaker
James Gunn can.
01:20:43
Speaker
But anyway, um I'm hopeful. this This movie definitely has a lot of great messages. it's It's preachy, but in a very classic cartoon way, like comic book message.
01:20:55
Speaker
um It's lost on some people. they Some people wrote that like you know it being it's up its own butt was like terrible for them, but I'm like, every... art piece has a message like what name i couldn't name art like a thing that just doesn't have a message or meaning but people were like well this is like anti like conquering and like you know love everyone it's like what heavy hope what the hell is that bullshit like being kind not wanting people to to like die what
01:21:34
Speaker
I know today's political climate and just regular like care for humans. like Yeah, there are terrible people, but like I don't know. like There's certain ways to handle it. And I'm pretty sure there's like Superman would not be happy on social media if he just saw this.
Humorous Supergirl Scenario
01:21:51
Speaker
Supergirl, different story. i feel like if I wish in the Supergirl there was some sort of parody of that where she's on Twitter and just sort of like, haha, making up her own hashtags and stuff.
01:22:06
Speaker
She's part of the the the monkey army. She adopted those monkeys. Yep.
01:22:13
Speaker
That's why she's like instant overnight sensation. It's like, no, actually no one likes her tweets, but because she has her own bot farm, her monkey farm, trying to get like views.
Supergirl's Heroic Journey Speculation
01:22:23
Speaker
Do people in like, do they, are people are aware like Supergirls around like in this universe? doesn't seem like that. Right.
01:22:30
Speaker
don't think they know.
01:22:34
Speaker
Because Superman doesn't mention it. He doesn't mention the Lois. It doesn't seem like she's going out and doing anything heroic. She's just like, I'm on Earth. Fuck it. I'm going to like wherever that is and going to a club. Yeah.
01:22:47
Speaker
yeah wherever she just wandered off with a destructive dog, like, I'm pretty sure they're not gonna go build a school, so... What is up with that? this this um'm I'm sure that's probably gonna be, like, her movie is gonna be, like, her, like, learning to be, like, I gotta be a hero now. like Hero. Yeah.
01:23:04
Speaker
But, like, you imagine if during that rant where she comes, like, of the anti-Superman movement, where she's there, and they're just like, what about Supergirl? And then, like, what's the argument there? And they're like...
01:23:18
Speaker
We don't know.
01:23:21
Speaker
Like, this wants to be
New DC Universe Tone and Comparisons
01:23:22
Speaker
a conqueror? This drunk girl?
01:23:29
Speaker
just want to Yeah, she just wants to go to the clubs and party. And even then, she can't really party the way she wants to party because the sun. It's not Earth, yeah. I mean, she can't go to that pocket dimension to get drunk.
01:23:42
Speaker
Maybe. Maybe. Have Metamorpho create like ah what like Red Kryptonite? Yeah. And then she could she has a drink with Metamorpho.
01:23:53
Speaker
She has to hang around him. Yep.
01:23:57
Speaker
but guess I guess he's part of the Justice Gang now, too. Does she still bug him at work? whole Yeah, he smashes the roof of the Hall of Justice like, What's up, bitches? Get that Red Kryptonite out.
01:24:15
Speaker
But yeah, it's the I thought it's a definitely it's a great start to the dc this new DC universe. And it did a great job making you sure like everyone knows where you like the tone of this is going completely different than like the previous universe. like this is This is more like old school, like Christopher Reeve, Richard Dodder style, not like grim dark sex nighter.
Critique of Movie Phases and Universe Planning
01:24:39
Speaker
yeah
01:24:42
Speaker
And everything and then everything else is like around it too has been great. like Peacemaker's been great. Creature Krandil's great, so... It's also a ah pretty awesome start. Hopefully they can keep up the momentum for the rest of this, like... Was it Chapter 1, Gods and Monsters?
01:24:59
Speaker
I forgot. Like, I don't like it when I... ah when they try to announce phases this quick, because it always goes sideways, like, so at some point, and it just completely changes the whole, like, perspective. That's why i don't really follow, like, the phases of, like, what they, the Marvel, what they ever call it. I always like to think about it when they, like, get to a certain start, and it's like, this is what we're doing.
01:25:23
Speaker
The classic Marvel Comic Con there, it's like, Here's like the next five years of movies. And it's like, well, that one's canceled. That one's canceled. That one's canceled. That one is delayed. That one's canceled. It's like this, this phase doesn't make sense anymore.
01:25:38
Speaker
Or, or like, or, or, sorry. And then, or these three shows meant nothing. was going to say, or, or you get the dark universe. Oh my God.
01:25:51
Speaker
but classic That classic promo shot of, like, we're gonna have the Invisible Man! Johnny Depp's the Invisible Man! We're have, like, uh, Frankenstein's monster! was it Was it, like, um, Javier Bardem gonna be the Frankenstein's monster?
01:26:04
Speaker
Yeah, at one point. They're all in that photo. I think Netflix is doing a better job of making, like, monster universe movies. Well, now it's a theme park, so
01:26:18
Speaker
like there's Like, there's the whole, like, Dark Universe section in Epic Universe.
01:26:25
Speaker
Which has nothing to do with with the actual, like, Dark Universe movie of the universe. It's its own universe.
01:26:31
Speaker
this For some reason, they
Excitement for Upcoming DC Projects
01:26:32
Speaker
chose to use that name. It's like, there's ah there's no stain on that name, right?
01:26:42
Speaker
but yeah, I'm excited for whatever else is coming for the DC Universe. Hopefully, there's more good stuff on the way.
01:26:51
Speaker
And yeah, so I think that'll wrap it up for this week. um Come back next week. I think we're so're we're still trying to figure out ah what we're doing, but it's probably going to be something spooky because it's go be hot October, so we're into the spooky season.
01:27:03
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01:27:19
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01:27:33
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