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We had intended for our next episode to be a heartfelt goodbye to a beloved Ottawa Captain who left under bizarre circumstances and was failed by the front office of an Ottawa hockey team that keeps making weird decisions... but we'll get to Brianne Jenner next time.
For now, let's laugh at Brady Tkachuk.
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Episode Introduction and Previous Topics
00:00:06
Speaker
I don't even know what he's thinking. He's just a complete birdhead. Brady Kachunk. Thomas is my best friend. I got a lot of good-looking newts on my team. You just got newt.
00:00:18
Speaker
I've just had him. Just that most.
00:00:23
Speaker
Hi everyone and welcome to episode Xavier Bourgo of Elite Sense Brain. As always, I'm Beata. I'm joined by the artist formerly known as Twitter user Ericsson's Burner on a very, very normal episode. Nothing strange happening
Departure of Ottawa Captain Brienne Jenner
00:00:40
Speaker
at all. How are you doing?
00:00:43
Speaker
i'm doing so fine. I'm doing... i'm bored, honestly. we were talking about it. Nothing's been going on. Yeah, it's it's crazy how it's been such a quiet few days. It's been such a quiet offseason so far. But of course, we do have something to talk about. ah You know, captain of an Ottawa team leaving town. It was really devastating. We're so sad about it. ah What was your reaction to Breanne Jenner leaving?
Brady Kachuk's Trade: Shock and Speculation
00:01:09
Speaker
Honestly, i'm kidding i'm kidding i'm kidding um get so to give my and I was like, no, I was sad, but it it was expected. We'll talk about that later. Don't worry. um And we are, in fact, sad about Brienne Jenner leaving. yeah And this episode, we had planned to talk about Brienne Jenner leaving, among other things. And then, about 24 hours ago, something else happens.
00:01:35
Speaker
A man can never let a woman have her moment, is what happened. Literally. so ah Brady Kachuk got traded. Yeah. If we're telling you this for the first time, like we broke the... No, I'm kidding. But yeah, it's crazy. Wow.
00:01:54
Speaker
We were saying... like, before recording this, that we're still just kind of in shock, because even though this was so expected, it was also just completely out of nowhere. You know, like, it it was simultaneously extremely expected and also just, like, completely unexpected.
00:02:14
Speaker
Like, yeah, I was saying that it's like, because obviously people had been talking about it for so long, like, Bray, you could check once out. But like we've been saying, like, it was kind of based on, like, nothing he'd actually said. so it's like, yeah, okay, maybe he thinks that, but, like, there's no proof.
00:02:32
Speaker
But it's like, I guess it was just true. And it's like, it's not shocking, because it's like, yeah, like, it all adds up. But it's just like, but, like... I don't know. like Like, it was never confirmed. And then it all got confirmed. It happened in like five minutes.
00:02:45
Speaker
Yeah. And like, truly congrats to the Sens PR team and the communications team. I did actually send a DM to Ian Mendez congratulating him on this after this for keeping this under wraps. Because i don't, like, it's so rare that you see a trade this big go down and there was no warning. Because yeah, obviously people were like, oh, Brady wants out or, you know, everyone on that American Olympic team wanted out or something. That was always just based on nothing except, you know, his podcast or whatever. There was nobody saying, yeah, I spoke to Brady Kachuk and he has requested a trade.
Ottawa Senators' PR and Fan Reactions
00:03:21
Speaker
There's nobody saying, you know, the senators are actively shopping Brady Kachuk. The Panthers are are trying to acquire him.
00:03:28
Speaker
It was literally just people speculating until... last night there was a tweet saying the Panthers are very close to acquiring Brady this is the exact return and then 10 minutes later the trade was done. Yeah like it's like that's the thing is that it obviously couldn't have moved that quickly so again like round of applause to everyone who helped like not leak this to the insiders like that's amazing um but yeah it's just so crazy to me also like
00:04:00
Speaker
I don't know. My reaction was like, okay, like, have fun with him, Florida. Like, you, I don't know. Like, I don't know if you you know what you're getting in the player, like, in the on the on-ice player. Like, they must know, but like, okay, if that's what you wanted.
00:04:18
Speaker
Yeah, it is crazy how like the the reaction from Sens fans was so united and everyone like being happy about the trade or at least being angry at Brady. I have literally never seen this from Sens fans before.
00:04:36
Speaker
Absolutely nuts. And yeah, it was very funny to see a lot of hockey experts talk about Brady and what the Panthers are getting in Brady and have the um reaction that I often have to anyone outside of Ottawa talking about Brady where I'm like, oh, I don't think you watch him actually. Because that doesn't sound like him at all. Yeah, it's so nice because like Now we can have a dialogue. Now we can be honest about Brady Kachuk the player.
00:05:06
Speaker
Leafs fans, Habs fans, you've been right this whole time, unfortunately, about Brady Kachuk the
Brady Kachuk's Performance and Fan Perceptions
00:05:11
Speaker
player. it almost It's like we were all under a spell and finally we've been released and we've woken up and we're like, hey guys, so now that that whole era was over, can we admit that he was never the player we kept insisting he was going to turn into?
00:05:25
Speaker
You know what? Like, i still maintain that, like, as long as he's on the Sens, you have to be like, no, he is that player. He is, he is, he is. And it's like, no, now we can finally all be like, it's okay. We're free now. He's not, not very good.
00:05:41
Speaker
I feel very vindicated because about a week ago, I went on ah the formerly Welcome to Your Carlson Years podcast, now ah the Senegoth Lounge, and I was asked to share several hot takes that I could not be held accountable for. And the first one I shared was that I said, I don't, or I said, I think that we have already seen peak Brady Kachuk and he's just going to get worse from here. And like, he's never going to become this player that we're all convinced he's going to be one day. and yeah, less than a week later,
00:06:17
Speaker
Look what happened. Or I guess, no, more than a week later. About a week later, this happened. So I really hope I was right. But I just want to say, i started turning on him. i I woke up before everybody else did.
00:06:31
Speaker
That's so funny. He heard you. He was like, know what? Fuck this, then I'm out. You've still heard me. Yeah, it's true. It's just, like, so interesting.
00:06:41
Speaker
i Yeah, like, the reaction of literally everyone I've talked to, because, like, the people I'm talking to, like, they're not on, like, Senate Twitter, so I'm like, this is, like, representative of, like, general Ottawa Senators fans to me. Like, they're not, like, deep in it, right? They're like, yeah, like, good, he was weird. that i Like, I hated when he went to the White House. I was like, exactly. Yeah, that's, like, the general opinion, I feel like.
00:07:05
Speaker
Well, yeah, because it's not just my bubble on Sen's Twitter and Sen's Blue Sky. It's also Sen's Reddit. It's the Discord channels I'm in, or the Discord servers I'm in. Edit that out. That's very embarrassing, but said the wrong word. but It's, I think, presumably Sen's Facebook, too. Not that I go there, right? The comments on... the Instagram post announcing the trade are 100% positive i I have literally never seen this from Sens fans before it is nuts it's like yeah I'm glad that we can all unite over this um yeah I don't know I'm still so shocked though
00:07:45
Speaker
Yeah, but then it's also funny because tons of people from outside Ottawa are all saying, wow, I really feel for Sens fans. Like, you know, the Sens, where do the Sens go from here? They're going to get so much worse. Like, this is such a kick in the teeth for Sens fans. Whereas Sens fans are united in being absolutely thrilled about this.
00:08:06
Speaker
Yeah, like, I feel like people who aren't Sens fans... like didn't realize that like most of the season he was like injured or not most I don't know big part of the season injured on the podcast he was just talking on a podcast yeah podcast above replacement went crazy like that was very good everything was not great from him and then he came back and was like bad and then also like He's just like, I don't know. does everyone remember the playoff performance? Like, I feel like people are like, oh, man. Like, obviously he was injured, but it's like, I feel like Chris Zens fans are like, guys, like, look up the playoff numbers. It's okay.
00:08:43
Speaker
Yeah, and I think part of the reason that we're so happy about this is just because like it was such a
Media Scrutiny and Political Affiliations
00:08:51
Speaker
distraction. it was the narrative the narrative that literally has existed for his entire eight years with the Ottawa Senators.
00:08:59
Speaker
of like He's going to leave and this constant waiting, this constant like doing everything we possibly could to make Brady want to stay. There was just so much surrounding him, um especially this past year where obviously,
00:09:14
Speaker
You know, he he became quite well known for his alleged political views. um And there was just so much nonsense. And I think we're all just really happy to finally be free of him. Like, we don't have to defend the guy anymore. We don't have to, like...
00:09:29
Speaker
have to pay attention to what he says on his podcast. Like, we're free. We can just hate him like everybody else. Yeah. To be clear, I was, like, never paying attention to what he would say on his podcast. I was, like... Well, no, me neither. No, like, we never were, but, like, no one has to now. I'm sure that some of you were in the trenches. Like, what is he saying this week? You're free. It's done.
00:09:49
Speaker
oh my gosh. And you know what? Like, great. He's in Florida now. Cool. I... Like, that'll be fun, i guess. Like... I don't know. It's so interesting.
00:10:02
Speaker
Man, I really hate that team now. Like, I really, really need the Sens to be better than them. Yeah, I don't know. It's like... Like...
00:10:13
Speaker
ah like i I think now maybe I'm going too much in the other direction. But I'm like, guys, it's okay. Like, Brady Kitchuk was not a special, like, that special player. It's fine. We can replace him easily. Maybe I'm too far in the other direction. Maybe I'm, like, too good friends or whatever. But yeah, I think it'll fine. think it's more just, like...
00:10:33
Speaker
I want to be proven right. I want Brady to be proven wrong. You know, I want him to go to this team and it sucks. And I want the Sens
Locker Room Dynamics and Trade Destinations
00:10:41
Speaker
to be good now that he is gone, you know, and we can say, hat loser, you quit on us. And look what you, you know, ah look look what we were on the verge of here. right Yeah, it's also like really interesting because like obviously I'm not as much in like whatever like online ah fan spaces and whatnot. Like I'm like not as engaged in that. But from what I understand, like people not actually like people still wanted him to do well. Like no one was like, I feel great. Like he wasn't like getting booed at games or anything as far as I understand. Like I feel like, or was he? Like I feel like he's like there's a narrative now that's like, oh my god, like the fan and media reaction was just so bad. It's like, as far as I understand, it was like, maybe Claire Hannah asking one question that was like, why did you laugh at the women's team? And like, that was it. And it's like, is that the fan and media reaction?
00:11:33
Speaker
Yeah, literally. actually i actually think that Brandon Mackey put this really well on Twitter. um I don't have the tweet in front of me, but he basically said, he pointed out that Brady Kachuk was given more grace than any star player ever has in Ottawa. It is absolutely nuts. The extent to which people twisted themselves into knots to defend him from anything... the stuff that fans were willing to put up with. Like, it is absolutely ridiculous how much grace he got the entire time he was here. Like, that first game back after the Olympics, people were so mad online about him going to the White House and laughing at that joke and everything. And then his first game back, there was a mix of cheers and boos, and very quickly, the entire arena was chanting his name.
00:12:21
Speaker
Like, that is the level of like... adoration that we had for him, you know? And how the the extent to which this fan base was behind Brady. This narrative that like the fans drove him out of town or the media was too harsh on him, absolutely fucking ridiculous.
00:12:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's all like, I don't know. That's my whole thing, you know, is like, is i I did my research for this episode. I listened to 32 Thoughts, the podcast. And like it seems like apparently everyone who was that US men's Olympic gold team is just like, we got to get out of here. And it's like, I i feel like No one, like, obviously, like, there's parts of, like, online fan spaces and obviously, like, maybe scattered boos or something like that, where it's like, okay, yeah, you, like, met with the guy who, like, wants to, like, annex our country, so, like, whatever. Like, I feel like scattered boos are, like, warranted, but even if they're not, like the such like the the overwhelming reaction was like no we still support you like we like love you brady all this stuff and all the other players too like i don't think like conor hellebuck thought like maybe maybe he did i don't pay that much attention to the jets but like from my understanding it's like all the people who went back to a canadian market maybe for like a week there was some mixed reactions but overwhelmingly people were not like
00:13:45
Speaker
oh, I want Brady to fail, I want Connor Hellbuck to fail, all this stuff. Like, people are still supportive. So it's like, is it just they hate Canada? Like, I'm so in confused. And also, this was entirely preventable on their part. I remember after they won, and Dylan Larkin was on Instagram Live with Kash Patel. And I remember I got a lot of heat, actually, for saying this online, where I was like,
00:14:10
Speaker
You know, it's kind of ridiculous that these players didn't even think that they should cut the cameras and maybe not broadcast to the world that they're partying with Kash Patel. Because honestly, i like i wouldn't like it, but I would be okay With players who, like, have right-wing views, but are are at least able to recognize that it's probably a bad look for them to openly express those views or associate with right-wing politicians. Same with the White House visit. Some players didn't go to the White House.
00:14:43
Speaker
All of these players could have just said, yeah, my team is in the playoff hunt. I don't- I can't go to the White House. And, like, it would have been fine Like, they didn't have to do that. it That's, yeah, that's thing. So it's like, it's so nuts because I feel like people are just reacting to like the nuts stuff that's happening. And then it's like, oh, wow. Like, how dare you make it? Oh my God, the best. How dare you make it political? Why'd you make it political? We talked about it before. went to the White House.
00:15:14
Speaker
What are the presidents? What are you talking about? Oh my You went to the United States of the Union. It's just like, I felt like I was taking crazy pills. I was like, what do you mean by being like, he doesn't have done that.
00:15:29
Speaker
All those people made it political. But even so, even after all that, we all said, Brady, we hope you do well in the playoffs. Brady, go lead the Sens to a deep playoff run. And then he lost Vision on ice and didn't do anything.
00:15:44
Speaker
Like, what's going on? We chanted his name at every opportunity. I guarantee you, like, if they had made, like, like, I don't even know, if they had won a single game that playoff run, and Brady Kachuk had done literally anything good in that playoff run, we would have been like, oh my god, like, you know what, good job Brady, like, you did so well in this one, like, we would have, like, it's not like any of our like reaction to his on and i'm saying like we as like fans fans sorry if i like if you're listening this and you don't resonate with what i'm saying but like i feel like if he had put up a good on ice performance i feel like we would be like credit where credit is due brady katek has put up an excellent performance like you can reconcile or like not reconcile but you can be like you know what i really disagree with what he's done like politically blah blah but like i support the sense like that's like my captain or whatever like People were so willing to do that. it's Honestly, like rightly or wrongly, like I think it would have been super fair if people had been like, actually, no, I'm never supporting like the Sens as long as he's on the team, whatever.
00:16:47
Speaker
But they weren't even doing that. So the whole thing is just nuts.
00:16:55
Speaker
Tell me if you agree with this or not. I truly feel like since the day Brady Kachuk was drafted, Everything about the Ottawa Senators has been about convincing Brady Kachuk to stay in Ottawa.
00:17:10
Speaker
I've... Yeah. Like... Have we ever been like this about any other player where every single move the team makes, it's immediately, will this convince Brady to stay? Right? Every time he's approaching the end of a contract, it's, is he going to stay or not? And yeah, the first time that Sens fans booed the anthem, the narrative among Sens fans was, what if Brady wants to leave because of this? And it like, ah literally people were like, you're not allowed to express your...
00:17:41
Speaker
you know, ah anger about the president of another country threatening to annex your country and, like, ruining your economy with tariffs because what if the captain of your favorite hockey team doesn't want to play there anymore? And I don't feel like other markets were as singularly focused on that the way that Sens fans have been for as long as Brady has been here. And it's just because of, like, past experiences, right?
00:18:07
Speaker
But it's like we've just constantly... had this fear of like, Brady wants to leave, how do we convince him to stay? And it's like, we've just like, built our entire, like, lives around just making sure that Brady wants to stay and building a fan base that like, supports Brady and convinces him to stick around forever. It's just absolutely insane that he that now, you know, people are blaming Sens don't think many people are blaming Sens fans, but they Brady apparently just kind of felt like he was too under the microscope or whatever. Just absolutely insane. Yeah, because like obviously the most similar comparison is like Quinn Hughes. Like this is like beat for beat very similar to what happened with Quinn Hughes, right? I guess to be fair, like that was also a large part because the Canucks like sucked. So like whatever. But like I feel like though, Quinn Hughes left and Canucks fans were immediately like,
00:19:01
Speaker
good whatever you like screw you basically and it's like even now i feel like there's a contingent of some sense fans who are like no like we drove like very small but to be fair like i feel like there's some people who are still like no no no like what can we do them differently it's like it's not our fault guys We did everything we could. Honestly, we never even really stopped to ask, like, do we want him that bad? Like, it because I agree with so much, like, how do we make him stay? How do we make him stay? We never stopped to ask, like, we want him to stay. Like, is he a good player?
00:19:37
Speaker
Yeah, it's just been such a thing. I think that's why it's just so insane. Where it's like, this is just a thing that it feels like has been building for eight years, right? And to have this finally happen, it's like, oh, we're free. Because people never talk like this about Tim Stutzler, who is better than Brady Kachuk. They don't even talk about this with Jake Sanderson. It's it's usually just something about Brady that like from day one, we were so convinced he was going to leave.
00:20:00
Speaker
I know. It's also so funny because it's like, obviously, like also when he signed his like long, like whatever, seven-year contract, like I don't know, like I obviously it's a while ago now so I don't remember the specifics but it's like he like held out all this stuff I feel like other fan bases maybe would be like man like I'm kind of annoyed like why'd he hold out so long he like missed games or whatever right?
00:20:22
Speaker
preseason games. Yeah, preseason, yeah, but, like, and then I guess, like, oh, like, is he gonna come ready, blah, blah. But then he shows up and everyone, do you remember that? He showed up like he was God, and everyone was like, that is God.
00:20:34
Speaker
Yeah, he missed, no, he missed regular season games, too, I remember, because he signed like, the morning of the Sens' first game of the season and then he wasn't play because he missed training camp. Yeah, and yeah, he showed up like in the stands and it was just one of the greatest, one of my favorite memories of watching hockey in this era, you know? It was such a great moment. Like he could have been god in Ottawa. He was a god of Ottawa!
00:21:00
Speaker
He was already. And yeah, it's the timing of it too, where it's like, again, we spent so long trying to build a team that Brady Kachuk would want to stay on, right? And Brady Kachuk, for the record, did not help this team become good very much. um Not many important goals when we needed them. Not exactly the biggest contributor to this team. But we were all focused on like, this team needs to start winning before Brady's contract is up. Because if the team is bad in those seven years, he's gonna walk.
00:21:37
Speaker
And we finally build a legitimately good team. And the moment everyone starts going, wait, hold on maybe this is a good team. That's when he decides to leave.
00:21:49
Speaker
Yeah, like that's the thing is that like that's because like that's the thing like compared to Quinn Hughes it's like maybe if the Canucks had been good Quinn Hughes stays like we don't know right because they were super not good so we'll never know like the Sens were literally good like obviously they got swept but like everyone knows that they're actually a good team so it's like it's just nuts but like that can't because for so long you're like like you were saying like for so long the narrative was like team is gonna suck for too long and then Brady Kachuk's gonna want leave because who wants to be part of like a losing culture it's gonna be like all those teams where like they just sucked for so long and like Jack I go left like all these guys left because their team sucked for so long and it's like he left not even because they sucked and it's like for so like if I could go back and tell like my like 2021 year old 2021 self like hey Brady Kachuk is gonna leave like lo leave but like it's not even because the Sens suck I'd be like
00:22:41
Speaker
Wow, I wonder why. Like, I can't even understand why else he would leave. Yeah, and I think that's also part of why people are immediately happy about this and immediately turning on Brady, because every past player departure for the Sens...
00:22:58
Speaker
there was a very clear culprit and it was Eugene Melnick, right? Or at least it was the Senators organization and the narrative among fans was immediately like, well, the organization didn't do enough to convince this player to stay, whether it was like, you know, directly not offering them enough money or just like not spending enough on the team generally, right? And That's what at least all the smart people were saying. There were obviously people who blamed the players um and some people who kind of blamed both. But we could get angry at the organization and be sad about these players leaving when it didn't really seem like they wanted to leave. It was just like the team didn't convince them to stay. Whereas with Brady, i think there's a lot of anger because we're looking back at his time in Ottawa and going, what more did you want the organization to do? Mm-hmm.
00:23:47
Speaker
Yeah, like, even the narrative of, like, oh, the media drove him out. I feel like he was like, not like really questioned on anything except like again Claire Hanna one time and it's like okay I guess to be fair going to Florida does in fact mean that you will be questioned even less because like no one will know no offense like who he is necessarily in Florida like walking down the street no one's going to recognize them no more heart and crown like oh my god it's Brady Kachuk singing Mr. Brightside I promise that like but you know what i mean it's like no one's gonna know who it's so fair like the media will be less harsh on you but it's not like we were like i don't know like the Toronto media narrative makes sense to me sometimes like it was literally one time someone asked you a medium hard question that you dodged so it's like what's the issue you got to dodge it anyway yeah and unfortunately the absolute worst Sens fans you know are specifically blaming Claire Hanna for this, which is awful. Obviously, you're like, how do I blame a woman for this happening?
00:24:49
Speaker
um And it's literally one question that she asked. By the way, I did send a DM to Claire Hanna about this, kind of like saying, I'm so sorry this is happening. And she seems to be doing fine. She she is unbothered. So don't don't worry about Claire Hanna. From what I can tell, she is fine with this. But...
00:25:10
Speaker
Yeah, that is the stupidest narrative that has come out of this for sure. Really, because it's like like, literally one question one time drives you out. And that's the thing is like, okay, fine then. Because like, yeah, Vegas, what was his list, right? It was like Vegas, Minnesota, Carolina, and Florida, obviously. Which, like, okay, yeah, to be fair, all those places will, in fact, question you less. Like, all those places will actually never ask you a question, so. Yeah, it's just insane. Okay, do we want to, i i feel like I need to just go through, like, the timeline of how this happened, because I've been piecing things together through, like, every insider report that I can find. Like you said, 32 thoughts and stuff like that.
00:25:49
Speaker
So, what it sounds like happened is... The timeline starts with the Olympics, right? Brady is apparently... Apparently every player on that team is unhappy with the media narrative, which, like, good, frankly. Good that they were unhappy because, like, they acted like idiots. I cannot believe everything that happened there. It's so fucking stupid.
00:26:12
Speaker
so yeah, they're all unhappy with this, and... allegedly, apparently things got really weird in the Ottawa locker room. There were some rumors that the locker room was kind of split. One Francophone reporter said that there was pressure from the players to trade Brady, which like, I i don't know how much to trust that.
00:26:35
Speaker
But apparently there was some kind of, there were some kind of issues in the locker room. And then after the playoffs, Steve Steyo sits down with Brady and the early reports said, every insider report has said that he sat down with Brady and he basically asked him if Brady intends to res resign in two years, which I was very happy to hear that because at the end of the season, that's exactly what I said that Steve Steyo needs to do. I said he needs to sit down with Brady and just ask him if he wants to stay here long term or not.
00:27:05
Speaker
Anyways. The insider report said that Brady indicated that he was not going to resign in two years. However, Steve Steyos said in his press conference that Brady requested a trade. And then when a media member asked Steve to like elaborate on whether there was actually a trade request or he just said he wasn't going to re resign, Steyos was like, I'm not going to answer that question. So little unclear whether there was an official trade request, but that is the like terminology that Steyos used.
00:27:36
Speaker
And then, yeah, apparently asked for the list, four teams. and apparently Minnesota offered a really good package. And Brady said, oh, actually, just one team. Just one team, actually.
00:27:48
Speaker
And here we are.
00:27:52
Speaker
That's the funniest thing. i feel like i like looked at your feed really like a bit before we started. It is hilarious, I think you mentioned, that St. Louis was not included. among them Literally.
00:28:05
Speaker
This is so funny. Apparently St. Louis also called and asked and Brady was like, no, I'm not going to St. Louis. Like, my dude, you don't even want to go to your childhood team.
00:28:17
Speaker
The team that like that your dad works for, that like worships your dad, the team that you grew up cheering for and helped them win a Stanley Cup. No, no, no you have to ride your brother's coattails or you have to play for like a cup contender so that you can go win a cup without doing any work, which, based on the way Brady has played, seems to be what he wants to do anyways. Exactly.
00:28:38
Speaker
Yeah, that's the craziest part is because like for so long, I remember the narrative was like one day the Kachuk brothers will play together in St. Louis and then like whatever, everything will be right in the world. Who cares? I don't like sure, whatever. Like, yeah, i I fully buy that like now they're just both like Florida men and like now their homes are Florida and they're never leaving Florida. Like that makes a lot of sense to me.
00:29:01
Speaker
yeah Also, sorry, having the Hurricanes on your list is so embarrassing after the way that guy played in the playoffs. Like, my dude, they do not want you. Like, this team kicks your ass. You specifically play like shit for the whole series, the whole four-game series. And then afterwards, you're like, oh by the way, can I join you? can i Can I come hang out with you guys? It's literally like, oh did you like what you saw? It's like, no, he didn't. You were very bad.
00:29:36
Speaker
Like, what? Like, also, like, who? Like, obviously, I guess, like, we just, like, the trade was just picks. But it's like, yeah, I don't even know what a trade to Carolina would look like. Because, honestly, every single player on Carolina is better than Brady Kachuk. So I don't think they'd want to give us any of their roster players.
00:29:55
Speaker
Like...
00:29:58
Speaker
It's just so interesting. Like, it's yeah, it's so embarrassing to get, like, your teeth kicked in and then be like, and? Like, you did you like my performance? Like, no. They hated that, probably. Like, thanks like the the front office was probably watching, like, oh, thank God Brady Kachuk's on the ice right now. like no threats being generated. Like...
00:30:21
Speaker
It's just embarrassing. Every time Brady Kachuk started a fight in that series while the Sens were losing, everybody in the Carolina, like, press box was going, yes!
00:30:33
Speaker
Let's go! Need that. Need him. Like, oh my gosh. Like, no, they actually, like, are skilled players. They don't want you. Like, ah it's just, like, it's kind of sweet. Like, it kind of circles back to being sweet. It's, like, it's really cute that you, like, that that that they were on your list. Like,
00:30:50
Speaker
Okay. Oh my God. And then yeah, apparently just like insisting on living in his brother's shadow for the rest of his career, because like, it's like, it just tells so much about him that he wants to do this because first of all, your brother has already won two Stanley cups with this team. Like he's already a hero here. So the best you can hope for is that you win multiple Stanley cups in Florida and you always have two fewer cups than your brother does. Yeah.
00:31:19
Speaker
Right? And you can't even be like, well, they meant more because they were on a different franchise. You know, no. no Like, you're literally on the exact same team. um You are very obviously not as good as your brother. And once you are playing on the same team, people are going to notice that.
00:31:35
Speaker
So you're just going to be the slightly worse Kachuk brother, which is what you have always been. you know, like, at least when he was in Ottawa, we could be like, well, Brady has a different career path to Matthew. He means something different to his team than Matthew means to his team.
00:31:49
Speaker
Can't say that anymore. No, yeah, that's the thing is it's like, again, like, Sens fans were obsessed with Brady Kachuk. And it's like, you, like, now, yeah, you're the you're the second most popular Kachuk on the Florida Panthers.
00:32:09
Speaker
Like, I guess second, like, that's good, but it's out of two. Like, it's, like, so weird. Like, why did, like, i I guess he wanted it because, like, he does not, he's just obsessed, like, with his brother, which, like, okay, fair. Like, sometimes you look up to your older sibling, but it's, like, it's, it's, like, you can't, like, let it guide your career choices all the time. i don't know. You've got to be your own person sometimes. But, like, I guess he doesn't want to, so that's fine.
00:32:41
Speaker
It's just embarrassing. Yeah. The other thing that like now, obviously like this didn't really matter, but now I'm like, that's so, it's even more cringe to me. It's like how like Matthew Kachuk was like, i'm I'll watch the games in Carolina. I'm not going to Ottawa. It's like, for some reason, it makes me even angry now.
00:33:00
Speaker
ah It's just so stupid. Like, I don't know. Yeah, I... I'm honestly really curious what Brady says about Ottawa after the trade.
00:33:12
Speaker
I'm honestly looking forward to it because, you know, we kept saying that Brady was always the more like subdued, more media trained of the Kachuk brothers. And i think this past year showed us that You know, shit he was he was breaking out of that mold a little bit, you know? He was starting to be a little bit more controversial. Still mostly just, like, sitting next to Matthew, letting Matthew say all the controversial things for him. But I guess now we'll see if that was...
00:33:44
Speaker
you know, sends PR holding a gun to his head, um or if Brady actually is, like, the slightly more media-trained brother, because I'm very interested if he starts shit-talking Ottawa now that he's gone. Yeah, which, like, honestly, if he does, it's like, whatever, man, like, okay. Like, again, like, there was, i I truly don't think there's a way that, like,
00:34:09
Speaker
Ottawa could have been better to you so it's like fine like if you want to shit talk that's cool it doesn't really matter it's also you don't know it's like again it would have just made so much more sense if he just like left when they were really shitty like that would have just added up so much more
00:34:30
Speaker
like truly leave after your entry-level contract expires. Literally, like... And fans would be so upset. We would miss you so much. We would be so mad at the front office for letting you go. And there would be all this debate about whether we can hate you or not.
00:34:49
Speaker
Yeah, it's just so, so... i don't know. The whole thing is just like, okay. Like, I'm so... I'm like, already, like, I'm over it. Like, I don't think...
00:35:02
Speaker
ah Good riddance.
00:35:06
Speaker
Yeah. Again, I'm glad that we're finally free of him. ah I think he's a massive loser and I wish him nothing but the worst in Florida and I'm ready for this team to move on from him.
00:35:20
Speaker
Yeah. Like, I'm curious, the only thing where I'm like, oh, I wonder who like becomes the captain now. Like, I feel like I am obviously firmly on the Thomas Chabot train, but a lot of people are saying Jake Sanderson. Where it's like, are we sure that Jake Sanderson is staying? Like he was also on that Olympic team.
00:35:38
Speaker
Yeah, so the thing is, yeah, Shabbat is the obvious choice. I think for a lot of people, it just almost feels like too obvious. It's like when Alfie left and they gave it to Spezza.
00:35:49
Speaker
And it was just like, oh, it's Spezza. This is the next best option. And then he left after a year. And then that's when we were like, okay, no, it's a new era. Carlson's the captain now. I think also like For some reason, there are so many Sens fans who just hate Thomas Chabot so much and are convinced that he's bad, which is stupid. I still don't understand it. But I feel like him being the captain would just make that so much worse. So in a way, I like almost don't want that for him. But also I think he's the best option for captain. Yeah, for Sanderson. Yeah, again, I'm like, feel like just don't want another American captain. i feel like it's too soon.
00:36:24
Speaker
Also, like, yeah, people say... Like, I don't know. Sanderson, I don't know his political views. He has kind of right-wing vibes. I don't know. and obviously we can say, like, he's not very outspoken about them. Like, at least he keeps it quiet.
00:36:38
Speaker
You know who we used to say that about? Like, it's just, you know, Sanderson, pay attention to these things. he has never once worn Pride tape at a Pride game. um Which, you know, it's not the be-all end-all of things. But, like...
00:36:54
Speaker
It's a thing I noticed, right? um Some people are saying G. That... I was initially against that, but now I'm almost like, fuck it. Like, if he's gonna stick around for one more year, just give him the C. Yeah, I feel like that'd be fun.
00:37:12
Speaker
i feel like... Yeah, I would like to see that. I don't know. Like, anyone else, I'm kind of like, i don't know. Maybe. i guess, like, yeah. Yeah.
00:37:24
Speaker
I saw some people throw around Timmy as an option, which, and I think that's a really intriguing option. I think that is the 2026 version of giving Carlson the captaincy where it's like, you know, signaling that this is the guy now. And, and, you know, this is our identity now and, and all of that. I don't think he would be a bad captain. i do think he's already really hard on himself and maybe i think Shabat or G are like the best options. Yeah, I agree. It's also funny because like obviously like Sanderson off-eye stuff like notwithstanding, i feel like um like that could be like like I feel like Sanderson as a pick also makes sense to me but it's funny because Sanderson just feels so much older to me than Timmy for some reason where I'm like yeah yeah he's like a seasoned guy and I'm like well Timmy is like still quite like I don't know but it's like they're literally drafted in the same year famously so like I think that's yeah.
00:38:18
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Lots of good options. um i don't i like Between those four guys, I don't think there's necessarily a bad choice. I agree.
00:38:30
Speaker
But I feel like they shouldn't overthink it. I think they should just give it to Shabbat. Right? like That's the thing. like I feel like I've just been for so long a yeah, I'll obviously go to Shabbat. Then I'm like, wait a minute. I didn't know that people were not in agreement with me.
00:38:43
Speaker
But yeah, like it is interesting that they have, that they do have a guy who was a captain for what, 10 years, you know, regarded as like one of the greatest captains in the NHL, who's like an older veteran who's, and I can understand the vibes of like, this guy is coming in and we're going to give the captaincy to like an older leader, right? Instead of just some young guy that we've decided to give the seat because he's really good. Mm-hmm.
00:39:12
Speaker
yeah But like Shabbat's kind of old and grizzled now, so. No, that's the thing. Because also, i feel I don't know, i just feel like Shabbat just makes the most sense to me, obviously. But I would, yeah, I would understand giving it to like a younger guy. Just in my head, Shabbat is still the younger guy.
00:39:33
Speaker
It's like he's not, I guess, anymore. Yeah, well, and also like when they gave the sea to Brady, the narrative was literally like it's a co-captaincy situation between Brady and Shabbat, you know? So it's like Shabbat has kind of basically been the captain this whole time. So yeah I feel like they almost owe it to him to be like, now you get to be the captain, right? Yeah.
00:40:04
Speaker
yeah But yeah, like I said, it might increase the fan and pressure yeah Honestly, Giroud, I'm like, why would it be so sick actually to have like a Franco-Antarienne like captain? I'm like, wait, I'm actually on the Giroud train now.
00:40:20
Speaker
I know I was against it mostly because Flyers fans kept being like, obviously G is going to be the captain now. And I was like, you guys are so disrespectful toward our hockey team. Like you forget that we have a whole hockey team past your fave who came to play with us. Like shut the hell up. But the more I think about it, the more I think it does kind of make sense.
00:40:42
Speaker
yeah
00:40:45
Speaker
I don't know I feel like like everyone just knows the options it'd be funny if they picked anyone other than that because I'm like who could they possibly pick other than those four guys like no one right but I don't know it would be interesting Shane Pinto crazy yeah I I would be shocked if it was anyone else yeah Okay, but also another thing think i like kind of mentioned that we need to like talk about. We're getting into gossip territory and stuff, but I just want to say something here.
00:41:18
Speaker
It has been, i think, a little bit over 24 hours since the trade as we record this. Can you tell me how many members of the Ottawa Senators have posted about the trade on social media? Okay, I don't follow them, but zero, right? Like, have any? Zero.
00:41:38
Speaker
umma Do you also want to guess how many current members of the Ottawa Senators commented on the trade announcement? Early zero. Zero. And that's weird. Like, I know it's the offseason, but players comment on this kind of thing.
00:41:59
Speaker
When their buddies get traded away, they're upset. Yeah, the one thing. It's little weird. I guess it's like because Brady hasn't posted, right? So like maybe honestly, that like for me, the smoking gun will be like if Brady posts and no one comments, I'm like there. Like that's all the evidence I need.
00:42:19
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, wait, hold on. I just opened Instagram to confirm. The Sens posted a thank you, Brady. Finally, after 24 hours. no comments from any members of the ottawa senators like so far this was posted 52 minutes ago interesting also like yeah did brady okay i'm checking brady kachuk's account did he ever have senators in his bio or did he just immediately take it out
00:42:52
Speaker
This is like, he must have taken it out. No, he he didn't. I don't think he had senators in his bio. I think he had St. Louis in his eye po shot The writing was on the wall this whole time. Also, the fact that his profile picture was always him in a USA jersey and never a Sens jersey. I feel like a fool now. i We should have seen it coming.
00:43:13
Speaker
I mean, famously, we did see it coming. We were like... We saw it coming. Like, Sens fans were terrified of this happening. We saw it coming, but never, like, corroborated. Like, we were always just, like, it's, like, it's, like, the thing of, like, oh, like, that's just, like, an intrusive thought. Like, that's just, like, like, we have no reason to think that. And it's, like, we technically didn't have a reason to think it, then it all came through.
00:43:40
Speaker
It's also a little bit sort of Boy Who Cried Wolf situation yeah where, you know, we spent his entire career being, like, oh, my God, Brady's going to leave. We have to, like, you know...
00:43:51
Speaker
shape our entire fandom around like making this a place that Brady wants to stay we are constantly you know catastrophizing about how Brady is gonna leave and then finally people from around the league are like yeah sounds like Brady's gonna leave and we're like what no we've been saying this the whole time funny yeah I don't know. It's just so interesting. it It'll be interesting to see like how we look how this era is looked back on like in the future. Yeah. I mean, it sure doesn't seem to me like Brady is going to be well-liked.
00:44:33
Speaker
You know? it's like If the immediate reaction is, we hate this guy... I kind of feel like that's, it's only going to get worse from here, right? Like, I think he's just going to be remembered as, like, the guy who was never that good here and then quit on the team right when things were starting to look up.
00:44:53
Speaker
Yeah, like, also, we can finally say it now. You can disagree with me if you want. He shouldn't have tried all those between the legs goals. Sometimes you just need to go for the high percentage play. Yeah.
00:45:08
Speaker
It's also just like, I feel like it's very, it really sums up the kind of player that Brady is, right? Because he is not a skilled player. Like, do you know how hard he worked on that play? And he never actually pulled it off. Yeah. He tried it so many times. And like, I'm I'm sorry.
00:45:28
Speaker
There are plenty of NHL players who can pull off that move in a game situation. And Brady is simply not skilled enough to do that. He just doesn't make skilled plays at all. Like, he's just a human wrecking ball on the ice. He throws a ton of hits. He spams shots on goal.
00:45:44
Speaker
And like, but he doesn't have the sort of finesse that his brother does. Yeah, that's the thing. Like, it's it is, like you say, the perfect encapsulation of his time because he saw his brother did something cool, tried for so long to emulate it, never really did it, and then stopped trying because he thought he did it. I don't know. That's like kind of the Brady Kachuk era.
00:46:07
Speaker
And like, yeah, it was funny. Like, the one good thing I will say about Brady Kachok is that while he was in Ottawa, he made us laugh. Like, he made us laugh all the time. But he was never actually good.
00:46:19
Speaker
Like, even... I've been listening to, like, every podcast I can about this trade. Because obviously, like, something happens with the Sens and I'm like, i need to hear what everyone else is saying. And, like, so many people are saying, like, oh, Brady is built for the playoffs. Like, he is you know, the type of player where like, when you need a goal, he is the guy you're going to look to. And I was listening to this going, yeah, this sounds familiar because we were saying this for years when the Sens weren't making the playoffs. And like even putting aside the playoffs, even in the regular season, as soon as the games got important, Brady disappeared. The whole team fell apart. Like, actually, what does Brady do in high pressure situations where the Sens desperately need a goal? He starts a fight.
00:46:59
Speaker
Like that that's who he is. He's not the type of player who's going to score a goal when you need him to. And like maybe he turns into that player in Florida, but people are wrong if they think that he is that type of player right now.
00:47:10
Speaker
the Actually, I need to read out a post on Blue Sky that I think encapsulates Brady Kachuk. This is my favorite post ever. Shout out to Phil at EvansMade.co who posted immediately after the trade.
00:47:25
Speaker
I know we're having a good laugh about the Kachuk trade, but in all seriousness, who will the Senators look to now in those high-pressure situations when the game is on the line to go out there and take an interference penalty? Yeah.
00:47:39
Speaker
And that's it. Like, that's all he ever did, right? Every time the game was on the line, he would start a fight or he would take a bad penalty. Did he ever score a big goal in those in those circumstances?
00:47:52
Speaker
No, because he tried to score between the legs and that obviously doesn't work. Yeah. So it wass just like, yeah, he's not a skilled player. He's not clutch at all. He, and yeah, you can say, oh, he pulled a disappearing act in the playoffs. He's played, what, 10 playoff games in his entire career. Like, yeah, it doesn't say that much.
00:48:12
Speaker
But like, The reason people immediately turned on him when he was bad in the playoffs is because he had a track record of being bad in important regular season games too. Like we were noticing that he wasn't stepping up the way we expected him to like, oh my God, During the DJ Smith era, this team was completely incapable of scoring a goal with their own net empty. like They lost so many games that were one-goal games up until five minutes left. And like there was nobody on the team who could just score that clutch goal to tie it up or to win the game.
00:48:48
Speaker
And Brady was the guy that we kept expecting to do that, and he just never did. So yeah, when he went to the... when he got to the playoffs and sucked, we were like, there we go.
00:49:00
Speaker
Clearly that's just who Brady is. her Like, yeah, he's a player that like when you're losing, he just gets frustrated and he started, or he starts a fight because he thinks it's going to pump up the team or something. Like that's why he started the playoffs by getting into a fight with Jordan Stahl. Cause he was just like, yeah, this is what's going to get my team going.
00:49:18
Speaker
yeah stupid and Yeah. That's the thing. Like, I feel like looking back on all my favorite Brady Kachuk moments, none of them actually involved him like playing hockey like they all involved him either doing something funny off ice or getting bit which was hilarious like yeah i know yeah people were like people haven't even been really sharing their favorite Brady moments i feel like mine was truly number one was him getting bitten and when i think about like yeah all the great moments that he had it was that it was him flexing on the red wings still hilarious you know um the whole who wants it thing uh honestly his biggest playoff moment was after that game four win when he turned to the crowd and he said we'll be back here i thought that was a great moment but like you know he did that after the team narrowly avoided getting swept by scoring an overtime goal right like i don't i just don't feel like there were that many
00:50:16
Speaker
big goals or you know, anything like that that were super memorable. Yeah. So, yeah, people who think that Brady is going to be a really good player for the Panthers in for a rude awakening about the kind of player he actually is, unless he turns things around. Like, i don't know, maybe...
00:50:35
Speaker
Maybe he just really didn't care about Ottawa or he really hated playing for a losing team. And and once he's in Florida, a he'll turn into a different player. But, like, he's just never been that guy, like, at all. That's the thing. I also feel like, like I guess you could argue, like, oh yeah, well, like, now the Florida team, it's, like, they are, like, defined by, like, big hits and, like, whatever, all this stuff. But it's, like, i don't know. i feel like they have players who are, like,
00:51:06
Speaker
good and and also like throw big hits. um So like I don't know if Brady could check his... I think he might be redundant there, but like who knows?
00:51:17
Speaker
Well, and like to be fair, Brady is a good possession player, right? yeah And he's a good 20-30 goal scorer. He was a point-per-game player for one season, right? like He's not a bad player.
00:51:30
Speaker
It's just like, he's a very underwhelming player where you're like, If you're expecting Matthew 2.0 or even like a slightly worse Matthew, like that's not what you're getting with Brady. This is a guy who will lead the team in hits and shots on goal and pot like 20 to 30 goals just from constantly shooting the puck, which is something.
00:51:54
Speaker
But yeah, it's not like a franchise player. Because that's the other thing. So many people are like, wow, the Sens just traded their best player. No, we didn't.
00:52:07
Speaker
Yeah. We so didn't even trade like our fifth best player. i Maybe fifth. I'd say you could make an argument for third at most, right? Just 100% better than him. Sanderson absolutely better than him.
00:52:21
Speaker
i think him and Shabbat, you can make the argument. But like, I don't think there was ever a point in Brady's time in Ottawa where anyone was like, yeah, Brady is indisputably the best player on the team. You know, like there were there was a period of a few years where you could make the argument that it was maybe him over Shabbat or over Stutzla.
00:52:42
Speaker
But like when he came in, the best player was Mark Stone. Well, technically was Eric Carlson, but very soon Mark Stone. um And then it was Thomas Shabbat for a bit. And then it was like, oh, Shabbat and Kachuk are the two best players for a bit. And then it was like, oh, Tim Stutzla is here.
00:52:55
Speaker
he'll probably be better than Brady at some point and then very quickly overtook Brady, right? ah Like, he was never the star player on the team. He is not their most valuable player.
00:53:07
Speaker
Like, it's not that, like, he was a valuable part of the team, but he's not completely irreplaceable. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah.
00:53:19
Speaker
I think that's, like, accurate. So... Yeah, I think it's fine. Like, yeah, because so many people were like, oh my god, the Sens just have to rebuild now because they traded this guy. And, like, no, the Sens have, like, arguably the best defense in the league. They have great center depth.
00:53:33
Speaker
Really, really thin on the wings. But, like, I feel like wingers are probably... They've got to be the easiest players to acquire, right? feel like that's the position that everyone's like, yeah, we got too many of these. I feel like center and, like...
00:53:45
Speaker
but but like good defensemen are like the two hardest everything else is kind of like I feel like there's a lot yeah and like and you know to be clear the Sens went into this offseason desperately needing at least one winger and then they went and traded probably their best winger so like you know they they definitely have some holes to fill but I'm not ready to immediately declare that like this team is bad I'm i'm willing to wait and see what Steos cooks up Especially with all the cap space.
00:54:16
Speaker
We have so much cap space now, I feel like. Yeah, isn't it 25 million? I don't even know. Cap Friendly died, so I can't tell you. but
00:54:28
Speaker
Damn. Yeah, well, and yeah, I guess we can sort shift into like, discussing the return here, because... So many people were like, oh my God, you trade Brady for futures. Like what?
00:54:41
Speaker
um But the team has made it pretty clear that like, they're gonna flip those picks. They're not keeping them. um i actually thought the athletic hockey show had a really good analogy where they said it's the equivalent of like when you ask your relatives for a gift card instead of a gift that you won't like that much. So you're like, give me, so that the picks that Ottawa got from Florida are the gift card metaphorically. And now they're going to go spend it on players that they actually want. Yeah, which, like, i ah feel like the one is always, um like, Jason Robertson. Like, I feel like the Sens been linked to Jason Robertson for a really long time. So I don't know if that's still true.
00:55:22
Speaker
Yeah, so, okay, like, immediately after the trade broke, the narrative was the Sens are really pushing for Jason Robertson. um And then earlier today, the reports were Jason Robertson does not want to come to Ottawa.
00:55:37
Speaker
No! To be fair, though, as soon as I heard that, I was like, okay, well, he's American. So, like, I'm going to sure he wants to come here. and like, yeah, there are my answer is there. But, like, I feel like, okay...
00:55:51
Speaker
I was like kind of only half listening to 32 thoughts at some points because like I was like busy. But I feel like did they talk about like potentially they were going to offer sheet him? Is Jason Robertson offer sheetable? Okay.
00:56:03
Speaker
He is. and like the Sens are better positioned than most teams to do an offer sheet. I think the issue is he has to be willing to sign the offer sheet.
00:56:14
Speaker
So it's like, yeah, if he doesn't want to sign, then like it doesn't really matter if the Sens give him an offer sheet. Yeah. So, I mean, like, maybe they're the better offer, but I don't think the Sens want a guy who's like, oh, I guess I'd rather go here than Dallas, but I'm not really committed, you know? yeah like, again, if Jason Robertson came here, we would love him and all that. Like, I feel like he's, the the narrative that I feel like is always expressed is, like, Jason Robertson is really underappreciated in Dallas. It's like we would not underappreciate him, but he might underappreciate us, so maybe it's best if we just don't leave him.
00:56:48
Speaker
Yeah, and, you know, maybe you like, acquire him and you say, hey, stick it out for a year and see if you like it. Because, like, you know, we think that we can convince you to stay. But that's a bit of a gamble. I've been down that road before. I've been down Alex Brinker Road before.
00:57:05
Speaker
Yeah, I'd rather have a player who wants to be here. But it has been a little bit sobering to, like, initially hear, like, Jason Robertson, Jordan Kyrou, and then immediately, yeah, those guys don't want to go to Ottawa. um They're really looking for Mason McTavish. You're like, damn Like, if that is like, if we acquire Mason McTavish for like, I don't know, the 25th overall pick and that's it. Like, that's fine. I don't care. As long as we also have another guy, right? Like, he can't be the big acquisition um of the summer.
00:57:39
Speaker
Actually, one podcast I was listening to, I think it was the Athletic Hockey Show as well, actually threw out the name Brock Besser, and that actually made a lot of sense. Like, I know he's not on the trade block the way he was before, but, like, they were saying Vancouver is rebuilding. They obviously want a lot of picks.
00:57:56
Speaker
You know, if they're willing to move on from Besser, I feel like he's been linked to the Sens forever. Like, that makes almost too much sense. Yeah, it's interesting, too, because, like, again, always just I always thought he would end up in Minnesota, actually. And then, like, the wrong guy went to Minnesota. It just all went crazy. But yeah, which, like, obviously, because of, like, his, like, family ties and everything like that. But I think Ottawa would be fun for him. Like, or like, we would love him.
00:58:23
Speaker
The only thing is that I, from my time spent as a Canucks fan, this might not be true anymore, I feel like he's injury prone. I don't know if that's still the case. That's the only thing that would kind of scare me. But I love Brock Besser, the person, and the healthy player. So if he's good, then I'd like this. Just like Josh Norris.
00:58:42
Speaker
No, that's the thing, it's like for some reason I hear like shoulder injuries. i It's like visceral. I'm like, you can't get them. It hurts too bad. But like whenever I hear any other type of, I guess like back injury calls to mind like Mark Stone. but like Oh yeah.
00:58:56
Speaker
But yeah, that's the only thing about Brock Vester, which I don't even know if that's still accurate. Yeah, I don't know enough. I i feel like, ah like Jason Robertson could turn this team into a cup contender. I wish he knew that. I know. People underrate the Sens so much.
00:59:11
Speaker
So the thing is, like, i I just feel like you can't evaluate the trade on its own. Like, I i think Stavros, it sounds like... you know, he was pushing for a better return. Like a lot of people are saying like, oh, how do you not get a player back? But I feel like if he was negotiating only with one team, it makes sense for him to be like, just give me the highest value assets that you have or that I can possibly acquire. and I'm going to flip those assets for players that I actually want. Like that actually makes more sense to me than like trying to find a player on the team that you're trading with that would perfectly fit what you're looking for. So I thought it was very smart.
00:59:47
Speaker
But only if he uses those assets well, because I'm a little concerned. I'm like, okay, part one of the trade is done. um i can react to Brady Kachuk leaving, but like my opinion on the trade will depend on what happens in part two of the trade, which is who he acquires with these picks.
01:00:09
Speaker
Yeah, I think that makes a ton of sense. Yeah. Yeah, that's the thing is, like, i don't even know, like, who's available. And then again, who wants to come?
01:00:20
Speaker
Well, and then it's even, like, there's who's available as in who's being actively shopped right now. But... Like, are there teams calling up the Sens and being like, hey, we really want that ninth overall pick. ah We're willing to give you this winger that, like, you know, you didn't think was on the market. But if that's what it takes, you know, something like that. Like, are are the Sens just calling up teams being like, hey, we like this winger of yours. What what would you take for him, right? Like, it's not...
01:00:54
Speaker
Like, just because a player isn't actively being shopped doesn't mean that they're completely untouchable. The saddest part of it all is that if Dylan Larkin were a winger, i we could have fun. like We could be like, hey, but obviously he was not going to come because he has a four-team whatever list that consists of Carolina, Vegas, and whatever, you know, like every American player does now. But that could be fun if, like, you were a winger.
01:01:21
Speaker
i would I would spin a narrative in my mind. but one thing that I kind of hate about the timing of this trade is that it didn't give us enough time to gloat about Dylan Larkin because we didn't get to have an episode where we made fun of the Red Wings for what happened with Dylan Larkin. But here's my thing with Dylan Larkin, right? Because the narrative is obviously like, Quinn Hughes wants out, Blake Chuck wants out, blah, blah, all this stuff. Like, it Dylan Larkin plays for an American team. Like, his hometown team. An original six team, too. Like, that's way freaking worse. Like, you, like, we had really ah could have just, like, sat back and let Brady Kachuk slowly come to hate Ottawa. Like, there's nothing that we really could have done about that. You have to actively make people hate, like, playing in Detroit. Especially if he's from there.
01:02:09
Speaker
Like, what? And, like, by all, like, accounts, like, no one hates him like or anything like that like we were like i guess you could like be like oh no it's like a mitch marner situation where like that's his hometown team but like too much pressure your original 16 blah blah i don't think that happened i think he was literally just like i hate it here because you guys suck i need to leave you like at least ours is because of like geopolitical reasons
01:02:32
Speaker
Also, like, what I can't get over is the fact that Dylan Larkin is doing this on year three of an eight-year contract with a full no-move clause. Like, from both sides, like, Steve Iserman and Dylan Larkin, this is completely ridiculous to me. Like, first of all, from Dylan Larkin's perspective...
01:02:54
Speaker
The reports are saying that apparently when he signs that extension, he was unsure about his future in Detroit. My dude, my guy if you want to pressure your team to get better and you are not fully committed and you want to send a message that's like, make this team good in two or three years or I'm walking. And also you only want to leave to three teams.
01:03:18
Speaker
You know what you do in that situation? You sign a three-year contract. Like, it's like, wants to be an unrestricted free agent. It's like, here what is going on? I'm like, did they just like, woo him? They, it's literally just one guy, like, whatever. But it's like, did they just like, woo him with like, the money? From Steve Heisman's perspective, if you have any inkling that your star player is like, not fully committed to playing out the next eight years,
01:03:52
Speaker
Why do you give him a no-move clause? Like, the thing is, if if I'm in that situation, and I am the GM of the Detroit Red Wings, and Dylan Larkin walks in and he's like, you know, I want to stay here, I'm not ready to give up just yet, but, like, I'm i'm a little nervous about where this team is headed, like...
01:04:10
Speaker
You know, I want to give it like two or three years. Anyways, ah please give me an eight year contract with a no move clause. I would reply, can have your eight years or you can have your no move clause. You can't have both of those unless you're really, really committed to staying here. So freaking funny. It's like the Kyle Dubas school of like contract negotiation where he was just like, no move clause is for everyone. I don't know what else to do.
01:04:35
Speaker
But, like, also, like, it makes, like, Detroit just missing the playoffs the past couple years so much better. Because it's like, oh my God. Like, whatever. Like, that one time when, like, the Capitals just, like, randomly did whatever to make Detroit miss the playoffs. It's just, like, all... Not like Dylan... It's like with Brady Kachuk where it's like, what was Dylan Larkin doing to to help this situation?
01:04:59
Speaker
No, literally. It's like, we suck. And it's like, who the hell is our captain in first line center? Like... like
01:05:08
Speaker
So funny. So funny. And, like, there's been a lot of discourse about, like, should teams be handing out no-move clauses? Should a no-move clause be void if you request a trade? I don't agree with any of that. You know, you negotiate for that. It's fine. Sometimes the situation changes.
01:05:23
Speaker
However, i do think that if you sign an eight-year contract and then three years in, you're like, I desperately need to leave and also I only want to leave to three teams. Like, you are such a fucking loser.
01:05:37
Speaker
Like, I guess because it's like, i don't know. It must just be like, he's like, i need to win a cup. Like, he's what, 27 years old? Like, why are you chasing a cup when you're in your prime? Like, stick it out a few more years. Go to another rebuilding team that's in a slightly better situation. Why are you like, no, I want to go to a team that can win a cup without me so that I can just like, do nothing.
01:06:04
Speaker
Literally. Like, I honestly, um thing something happened in that US Olympic team locker room. Like, they were they shouldn't have been allowed to meet. Like, they shouldn't have been allowed to talk. Like, yeah it's just so weird. And then obviously, dude, like, the I don't know why it makes me, like, so angry. But it's like, of course you all want to go to Vegas. Like, it's just so stupid.
01:06:33
Speaker
Yeah, and I think Sens fans can have higher ground about two things with this situation with regards to Brady Kachuk versus Dylan Larkin. First of all, hilarious that the Kachuk trade happened first because clearly teams were like, oh, we want Brady and not Dylan Larkin. Like, I know I hate the guy now, but there is a small part of me that's like teams like him better. Yeah.
01:07:00
Speaker
We'll see if the return for Larkin is better. But for now, we can be like, that trade went through first because we had the, you know, more desired commodity.
01:07:11
Speaker
And also, ours didn't leak the way Detroit's whole situation leaked. But the second thing is, look, say what you will about Brady Kachuk. And I've said many things about him. We'll continue to say many bad things about him.
01:07:24
Speaker
i fully believe that when he signed that seven-year contract, he had every intention of playing out those seven years. Past that, I don't know, right?
01:07:34
Speaker
But, like, at least he wanted, he decided that he wanted out in year five, where he was like, yeah, we're starting to look toward the future, we're starting to think about what's going to happen afterward, right? Like,
01:07:45
Speaker
again it's just that to me like contracts should mean something man you can't just sign on for eight years and then be like actually I want to act like an unrestricted free agent that's the thing like okay because I think there's a thing in like a baseball where like people who know more about baseball will know what's happening but like there's like a thing where like okay for example like Beau Bichette like signed a long contract for a ton of money but apparently you can just like not do it like a year in you can like just be like, never mind. And then it's like, you all move on, which like, I don't understand how or why that works. But like, that's basically Dylan Larkin thinks that that's what's happening, which like, fair enough. I guess it's,
01:08:23
Speaker
Kind of is happening, but yeah. Well, I think teams and players can mutually decide to terminate a contract. um I'm pretty sure it's happened just a handful of times.
01:08:34
Speaker
I'm assuming it's a possibility. Honestly, i feel like everyone would be happier if Till and Larkin just did that. um Yeah. But like, I don't know, maybe it's the no move clause or whatever. I just, it feels like Dylan Larkin wants to be an unrestricted free agent right now. And it's like, well, if you wanted to do that, if you like, if you wanted to handpick your destination and leave Detroit, um you should have signed a two or three year contract.
01:09:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's like, i guess like he really didn't want to, like, I guess he just wanted, like, because obviously like everyone knows, like I don't have to even have to say it, but like the money makes it so that like, oh, you'll be guaranteed, like if you suddenly got like way worse in three years, like you're, you're not, like you don't want to like bet on like that you're going to make as much money. it's Like that's such a good reason to do it and stuff. But then yeah, again, the no move clause is kind of funny then and that, like why? Like I don't, I don't know. It's just funny. I guess yeah he obviously yeah wants to like control where he goes.
01:09:33
Speaker
But like I don't know. At this point, I feel like you just kind of have to look at the situation and be like, honestly, it's too complicated. I'll just stay. Whatever. like It's going to be way too hard. ah yeah It would be absolutely hilarious if the Red Wings like held on to Larkin for a while.
01:09:51
Speaker
maybe Like if he starts the season with them. Oh my god. That's always that so funny. Oh my god, who was it? We're like, I can't remember the player. but do you remember there was like a player who wanted to get traded so bad and then like he just like was phoning it in like at some point? Like you, oh, who was it?
01:10:10
Speaker
I can't remember. but it was so funny, like the plays were like just zero effort and people were like, what the hell? Like if he wants to... Wait, was it Patrick Laine or the guy you got traded for? Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. What's his name?
01:10:23
Speaker
Who was drafted third in the Matthews year? I'm blanking on the name, but yes, I know exactly who you're talking about. i Like, that is, like, what I'm envisioning, where he's just, like, ah, whatever. Pierre Ligue du Bois. That's it was. Yes, yes. Pierre Ligue Bois. Yeah, that's so funny. Yeah. Like, I feel like that'll just happen again.
01:10:45
Speaker
No, that's hilarious. Okay, so the thing is... the thing is we were going to have an episode where we talked about everything that's happening with the Ottawa Charge.
01:10:58
Speaker
And we've been recording for over an hour now. And I feel like I'm not in the right headspace to talk about the Ottawa Charge right now. How do you feel? Yeah. and I feel like I'm just so ramped up about this Brady stuff that I'm like, I can't shift in into like the actual... i can't provide good analysis of what's happening with expansion right now. So I vote personally that we shelve this discussion for our next episode, which hopefully will happen pretty soon. like Clearly the Sens are going to be making more moves soon, so we're going to need a new episode. And also, all the expansion stuff still hasn't quite finalized for the charge. So apologies to anyone who is looking for...
01:11:39
Speaker
our reaction to Brienne Jenner leaving, which is, we're, we're not happy about it. No, that is very sad and disappointing. um Yeah. Also great to see a sibling ah duo reunited. Congratulations to the Greg siblings. The only siblings we care about.
01:11:59
Speaker
God, that's so funny. Yeah, honestly, love that. Hope they make some, like, hope the teams, like, leverage that to make some excellent content. I feel like it's it's in there, if you mind, for it.
01:12:10
Speaker
I love that, like, you know... Yesterday, our plan for this episode, for, you know, whenever the next episode would happen, was like, American captain demands trade. ah like Ottawa captain leaves under weird circumstances. Siblings reunited. like interesting.
01:12:33
Speaker
And we talked about all those things without necessarily talking about, well, we talked about Larkin. Yeah. had to be haters. So funny. Oh my gosh. Yeah, I don't know. This whole thing is just nuts.
01:12:44
Speaker
um yeah well bye Brady oh my god you know what's so funny you know what immediately thought of when you got traded I was like shit I'm pretty sure our intro is like perfectly outdated now I think I thought that too Thomas is my best friend said by Josh Norris but like at least he's still on it like oh man we have to change our header too Oh my god. because remember, okay, when we commissioned our friend Joe to write, ah to make us, like, possible um logos for the podcast, she gave us a whole bunch of options, and one of the, like, inspiration pics that we gave her was that, um because it was, we knew it was going to be called Elite Sense Brain, and we gave her um that picture of Brady having his, like, helmet fixed on the bench, and so it looks like somebody is just, like, fixing his head or whatever, right? And so some of the, like, uh,
01:13:37
Speaker
drawings that she gave us were of Brady, of like that picture of Brady, and we considered using that for our logo, but obviously, you know, she had one that was like more suited to being a logo, and that's what we used. Thank god we didn't choose the Brady one as our logo. That was some good foresight. Our branding would be effed, but like literally it's like, yeah, I'm pretty sure it's like, dude, like even we've got meowing in that, that's like three years, four years old this point We gotta change this, man. It's so
Pre-PWHL Era and Humor in Context
01:14:07
Speaker
irrelevant. But like... It's also like this was pre-existence of PWHL.
01:14:13
Speaker
Yeah. Literally. it's so funny. like It's a relic. It's almost so funny that it's like, maybe we just keep it. No, literally. And then I think at some point, we were like, yeah, yeah, we'll do this for now. And then like, presumably we'll say funny stuff. And then we'll put the funny stuff we say in the intro. Right, we did say that. I think all of the funny stuff we say requires too much context.
Content Evolution and Challenges
01:14:38
Speaker
Like, it's not as funny as just like, meow. You know what I mean? Like, that requires no context. Yeah, we'll figure something out. Or we won't. Yeah, like, whatever.
01:14:48
Speaker
Maybe we'll have a new one. Maybe you already listened to the new intro. Yeah. Oh my god, we'll see. I'll try to mine some new content. Because that's the thing, is like I don't see as much content anymore because I'm not as online. I'm like, shit, there's probably funny stuff being said.
01:15:04
Speaker
like it's actually so effed up. like Literally, it was like Alex Debrinkit years when we first made that. Man. Dark times in retrospect.
01:15:16
Speaker
Yeah, look at how far we've come.
Episode Conclusion and Future Content
01:15:18
Speaker
the
01:15:21
Speaker
So, yeah, with that, we're going to end this episode. As we said, we will have like a more Ottawa Charge-focused episode later on. we just don't really feel like we're in the right headspace to be doing that right now. We haven't forgotten them. ah Make sure to follow us on Twitter at EliteSenseBrain, BlueSky as well.
01:15:44
Speaker
Read Silver's Seven Cents. We're going to have tons of analysis of the trade. There already is some up. Very cool. And we'll see you hopefully very soon. Go Cents Go and fuck Brady Kachana. Go Cents Go. Bye. Bye.