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DISCLAIMER: Apologies for Beata's audio cutting out all the time!! She was using a different mic than usual but will be back to normal next ep!!
This is not the Olympics episode we wanted to be recording.
Join us for a very depressing Olympic post-mortem, where we discuss all the highs and lows of the men's and women's hockey tournaments, and give our thoughts on the US men's team's controversial celebration.
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Introduction and Guest Appearance
00:00:06
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i ran Hi everyone and
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got them got them well see
00:00:23
Speaker
everyone and welcome to episode chris didomenico of elite sun son's brain As always, I'm Beara. I'm joined by the artist formerly known as Twitter user at Eric Sims Burner.
Recording Disappointment and Hockey Loss Discussion
00:00:36
Speaker
Unfortunately, this is not the episode we were hoping to record. ah So, you know, how how are you doing? ignish It's funny because I feel like every single episode I say, I'm doing well. I'm okay. How are you? I'm doing bad. It's bad out here, guys. same.
00:00:54
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It's real bad, man. We were just saying we're recording this the day after the gold medal game for the men's hockey. And I started writing up the outline for this episode the day before, so like two days ago. And I was so excited to record this. And I kept thinking like, oh, this is going to really suck if like anything I write here ends up like, you know, not really being true in the end or if we have to talk about a loss. And I was thinking about it when I was writing the outline. But even then going back to it. I was sort of like, I'm glad that i wrote this while I was in a good mood, because I i don't know i don't know if I'm in the mood to talk about any of this right now.
00:01:31
Speaker
Yeah, unfortunately, because I was like, we were trying to figure out a day that works, and like this was like the only day in like the near future I think that would have worked. So like we ah we like decided to record before the game, and like in the back of my head I was like, hmm, I hope that ends up being a good decision.
00:01:49
Speaker
It was not a good decision, but it's nice to catch up and stuff, but yeah. Yeah. Well, even when we were trying to come up with a time, i when I texted you to be like, we need to find a time to record, I was like, one way or the other, like, this is when it's going to be done.
00:02:04
Speaker
So, yeah. um Man, okay, anyways, let's let's jump into this.
Olympics Viewing Experience and Figure Skating
00:02:11
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No SENS discussion right now. How much Olympics have you did you watch?
00:02:16
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over the course of this period of time. I was so Olympics-pilled. Guys, CBC Gem, such an amazing resource. I genuinely can't believe there are people that are like, oh, CBC is so pointless, you so funny, whatever.
00:02:29
Speaker
Guys, it was literally awesome. You could watch literally anything you wanted. there didn't even have to be a Canadian. i didn't watch if a Canadian wasn't in it because like I didn't really care if there was no Canadians, except for figure skating. I love figure skating. But yeah, it was awesome. I watched so much Olympics. I was like tuned into like luge. I was like, a man, like,
00:02:46
Speaker
we messed up in luge. I don't know how it works still, but. I know it was so fun. I, you know, obviously was quite busy. um So I didn't have as much time to just like lock in on the Olympics as I would have liked to. But the advantage of studying for the bar is that you can just make your own schedule. So it was actually kind of nice to be like, I have an excuse to wake up early. I'm going to wake up, I'm going to have the Olympics on in the morning while I'm like eating breakfast and stuff and then I'm just gonna put it on in the background and study in front of the TV for like the entire day, you know? um So I would say I wasn't like actively watching anything until the very important hockey games but ah I've had things on in the background all the time and was like occasionally tuning in so that was really fun.
00:03:32
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Yeah, I feel like there were also just like compelling narratives that came out we're like that like made you want to like kind of understand what's going on. I'm of course talking about our cheating curling team, which was amazing.
00:03:46
Speaker
Absolutely. i stand with our nation's cheating twirlers. I loved that controversy. It was so funny.
00:03:56
Speaker
It was so good. The best part was like, it came out the men. Obviously, that was so funny. And then like the next day, the women like Rachel Holman was also accused of cheating. And it's like, oh, my God, there's an epidemic. And I don't care because it's like, I guess now like it's been explained that like it's more akin to like an offside or whatever. where It's like, yeah, maybe you shouldn't do it. But like if you don't get caught, it's like whatever. Like it's not it doesn't affect the game. it's also like a million pound stone and they like brushed it maybe and it's like okay guys I don't really see how that really affects the game but I don't know.
00:04:31
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What I understand it started with some Swedish curlers just like yeah you're being annoying about like tiny little infractions.
Curling Controversies and Canada's Success
00:04:40
Speaker
Yeah. Which i understand you're at the Olympics you're gonna like you know try to make a stink about anything that was missed but yeah it was them just being annoying. And from what I understand, everyone in curling was like, no, this is ridiculous. We don't want to have cameras at the hog line trying to get people brushed the stone or not. on it Right. um But then it also got picked up by like the MAGA crowd who were just, I know, sorry cheaters it was so funny because it's like people were like,
00:05:09
Speaker
ah this is when it turned around for Canada, like this is when they started failing at the Olympics. It's like, i'm actually we won gold in men's curling and bronze in women's curling, so. so that's where things turned around in the sense that's where we started winning it was the opposite yeah it was honestly so awesome i like love to tune into curling at the olympics and it's so fun to watch with other people who also don't understand what's going on in curling because with the commentary they'll do something we'll be like oh wow that was awesome kind like it's like so overstated i feel like at commentators are like oh my god that was terrible or like we'd be like man
00:05:45
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that's not good and they'd be like oh so yeah this is actually like the greatest shot ever hit in curling and it's like i'm just obsessed like i just never fully know what the tech is in curling see i have some curling enthusiasts in my family so i do understand the rules of curling not enough that i care about curling but enough that when i tune in i know what's happening which is fun for me what i really enjoyed is the commentators in the luge When I tuned into Luge, I was like, the commentators were, no, no, just being like, this guy has such ridiculous speed, or or they'd say things like, oh, he messed up badly on that one, as he's like swimming down the track, and they're like, oh, this is terrible, you know, what a disappointment.
Olympic Sports Commentary and Performances
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and i just what happened yeah oh like yeah luge like skeleton bobsled all of those i fully don't understand what's good and what's bad also it's confusing to me because i'm like i feel like people always bring this up with like how do you even get into the sports and it's like oh they're like track athletes that like transition and like do this and it's like okay so like is the only part of it then be really fast at running like is like bob said the only thing part that matters the beginning because then you have to get in there and steer i don't know it's very confusing but like hats off to all the people who can do it i'm very impressed the best call though i think that i heard at these olympics was there was a speed skating like event that was happening i don't fully know like which one it was i know there's like short track long track but the cbc commentator literally said i don't know how to explain how fast they're going right now and i was like
00:07:18
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awesome call, but that's literally your job is to tell me how fast they're going. And I just like, I thought that was so nice. There's not much else to speed skating. She was just like so taken by how fast it was. I was like, oh my gosh, this is like so nice. I really liked hearing it.
00:07:35
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Yeah. I also got very into ice dance again. i hadn't been into ice dance since obviously Tessa and Scott, but like Piper and Paul stole my heart. i was so proud of them. I was gonna say. Also, Paul, Franco-Ontarian King, I came across an interview of him in French and he had, i instantly recognized that accent. I didn't even know where he was from beforehand, but I saw an interview where he was speaking French and I was like, that is a Franco-Ontarian icon. From what I understand, he's like from Ottawa, but grew up in Toronto.
00:08:05
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Still, we still claim him. Yeah, we do Hometown hero. But yeah, that was like so nice. I thought like they're like, they're like second performance was obviously like so emotional and like so beautiful and stuff. But the one to like RuPaul and truth I was like, oh of my god, this is the greatest ice dance I've ever seen.
00:08:24
Speaker
Really? There is no better way to do ice dance than girl queening out with her gay best friend. I just love that vibe. It's so good. Yeah, I also loved how whenever they did the part where they would take her ponytail and pass it off, the commentators would go, the hairography, the hairography is so good. I was like, the hairography is so good.
00:08:45
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No, it's amazing. i love them so much. i like, you liked a lot of the figure skating narratives because I was also so charmed by Steven Gogolov who apparently went TikTok viral. I saw his first performance in the team event and I was like, this man is so endearing to me.
00:09:01
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I was actually so disappointed when he finished fifth but because I know his short program was not as good like in the actual individual event as it was in the team event, but then he crushed his free skate and I was like, if he had just been in the short program, maybe he'd have gottenros I know. I was, like, so, I'm, like, like, don't really, I don't follow figure skating, but I'm, like, I need to start following figure skating. Like, this is actually, I'm gonna do it. Like, I know the, like, worlds are coming up or something, and I'm, like, okay, I need to tune in because, like, it's actually so compelling. Like, I, like, I fell in love with so many skaters, and then, like, the whole narrative around, like, in women's figure skating, like, Sakamoto was, like, retiring and whatever, and I was, like, ah I was like so happy for like Alyssa Liu but I was like oh my god like this is so sad at the same time that she didn't win gold but
00:09:52
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I know, I got into figure skating through Battle of the Blades when I was younger, but i I'm very much four-year fan. like I tune in and during the Olympics and i kind of know what's going on, but I trust the figure skating fans to like fill me in on the rest. yeah It was so fun. Also, like sorry, I was rooting against every American just just because they were competing under the American flag. That's that's how the Olympics works. I'm sorry. but when we were watching, I forget which hockey game it was, and then during the intermission they were like, and here is Ilya Malinan's free skate.
00:10:25
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That was like one of the defining moments of the Olympics for me. Watching that live was crazy. Yeah, oh my gosh. Okay. I felt bad because I thought he was 18. I googled it and he's 21 and was like, I feel less bad.
00:10:44
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Which is, sorry. Like, I'm sorry. But, like, that's the thing. like, he still won team gold and, like, he's still obviously, like, so good and stuff. But I was like, oh my gosh. Like, the narrative around him. Like, it's honestly, like, every, like...
00:10:56
Speaker
like NBC or whatever I understand and like it seemed like everyone wanted them wanted us to like root against him by like planting subliminal messages of like the quad god who gave himself that nickname and he like does this and this and it's like okay obviously that's cool and stuff but like why are you low-key building him up to like make him like a villain like I feel like that's not actually like how he is like the whole narrative was just like he named himself the quad god like how do you not root against that Yeah. And it's just, you know, I see an American and I'm like, hope he fails. Yeah. And like, i was like, you know what? He'll be back. I'm sure he's fine. And like, he's very accomplished. So like, it's fine.
00:11:38
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So lots of fun narratives outside of the hockey. It's kind of fun because like, I don't know, during the Winter Olympics, especially, it's like, there's obviously the one sport that I'm most interested in because I'm you know, a full-time fan of this sport and I'm the one like informing all the four-year fans about the narratives and what's going on. And then I get to have the other side of it with all these other sports. And every time I'm struggling to understand the drama or the stakes, I'm like, oh, I understand exactly what the people who are full-time fans of this sport are going through right now, you know?
00:12:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's honestly so fun because I feel like I also discover a lot of like, I don't know, like I just don't know how to follow sports year round, like all of them. Like, I don't know how you follow luge year round. Like, you know what i mean? It's like, and I'm sure you can, but it's just like, that's so fascinating to me.
Challenges of Following Olympic Sports Year-Round
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is there, like, where is it? Like, I need to have look more into it, but I was just like, like, look for curling, I was like, how do I watch this year-round? And I was like, oh okay, you can, but I don't know what channel it's on.
00:12:42
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No, my grandparents follow it year-round. Okay, nice. I know you can. Yeah, I think for a lot of them, it's like, it it's It's a fun sport to watch during the Olympics, but I think it's the fun of the Olympic medal counts and stuff that makes it entertaining to watch, you know? i'm like, I don't think... Like, I love watching the freestyle skiing.
00:13:03
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Would I tune into this when it's not the Olympics? Probably not, you know? Even if I'm rooting for the Canadians. Yeah. I would only be... tuning in to be like what are our chances at the olympics you know it's true and also like i feel like in any sport where like at the olympics there's only like a few canadians represented but then if you like go to like the canadian championships obviously everyone is canadian or whatever like i honestly don't know how i would even decide my rooting interest i'd be like i no clue so shout out to anyone who can do that i think that's like it's impressive to like follow more inaccessible sports i'm like damn like hat tip to you that's very impressive to me
00:13:43
Speaker
For sure. you want to get into the hockey now? that's like the end of the episode. Bye, guys. Go since girls. All we wanted to talk about. Okay. Okay. Yeah, we're going to start with like... It was like both tournaments went disappointing, but I feel like on for different reasons and on different levels.
00:14:03
Speaker
So we're going to start with the women because that happened first. or It ended first. Do you want to read out the first bullet point I have? Um, line-up decisions and why Troi-Royan should be accused of treason. It's just like, okay, well, what I want to say is, if you listened to the last episode, you know, if you read my preview on Silver 7, you know i went into this tournament thinking Canada's pretty much guaranteed silver. Like, we are not good enough.
00:14:38
Speaker
Uh, we've already been over... why this was not the optimal lineup. They sure didn't look like a good team in the preliminary rounds all the way up until the gold medal game. It's just like, why they have to make it so close?
00:14:54
Speaker
Why do they have to give me hope? I know, like literally, like what was it? There was literally like a minute left, right, when they were still leading and I was like, just get it out, just get it out, just get it out. And then of course they got scored on. But...
00:15:08
Speaker
Yeah, okay, anyways, let's- okay. Actually, I don't even know what there is to say about the lineup decisions that hasn't already been said. Like, you know, it was- they were bad decisions. It was a slow team, left a lot of talent at home.
00:15:21
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be enough like But let's talk about, like, just the preliminary round first, even though there's not that much to discuss. This team didn't look good, even in the round robin.
00:15:32
Speaker
Like, they looked so slow. They didn't look like they were trying at all. And I remember 2022, Watching that team was like watching this year's Team Canada in the round robin, where you're just like in awe. Like, how how do you do that?
00:15:44
Speaker
How do you defend against this? You know, like it was such a good team in 2022. And I never got that feeling in 2026 when they were like playing pretty bad teams that they should be able to beat easily and just looking so slow and uninspired and like nobody cared at all.
00:16:03
Speaker
Yeah, the like, I don't know. Like, it's like, it's ah it's frustrating because it's like, you know that it didn't have to be like this. That's what it was annoying, I think, about, like, the women's tournament off the bat, is that, like, low expectations, but then you watch it and you're like, wow, it didn't have to be like this. Like, there was another option.
00:16:23
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But yeah.
00:16:27
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Yeah, I think it was also like... It's so annoying when you get to four of your fans coming in and being like, well, yeah, okay. Pune got injured, obviously, during the round robin. And then when they lost 5-0 to the US, so many people were like, it's just because of Pune. Like, wow, their real problem is that they rely too heavily on Pune and you can't build your team around one player. And it's like, what team are you watching? Like, this team doesn't rely on Pune that much. She's just really clutch. Like, she does a lot of a lot of different things. She's a does-it-all kind of player. But like,
00:16:58
Speaker
She wasn't the points leader last time. She wasn't the MVP last time. Like, this is a team of superstars. And you don't notice Kouiné's absence that much when you're watching this team.
00:17:12
Speaker
They should be good enough to not get blown out with nothing yeah in the U.S. The other thing is that, like, i saw stuff that was, like, not even for your fans. Like, these people were not fans of women's hockey. But it's, like, the narrative of, like, because this women's team is bad, they're like, wow, women's hockey is bad. It's, like, bro. Yeah.
00:17:32
Speaker
That, like, literally makes no sense. And it pissed me off. And obviously, like, everyone listening to this podcast already agrees with me. But, like, just, I i got so annoyed by that. That was just, like, stupid. it's stupid. And a lot of those people would have said this regardless of – how the women's hockey tournament turned out. Although I will say like part of what makes these line of decisions so disappointing is like what a horrible, like advertisement for this sport on the global stage at the one, at the first Olympics where like you can definitively say, if you liked this, there's more where that came from, you know?
00:18:09
Speaker
Cause I, I don't feel like this was the best the sport has to offer. You know, it was not at least like, the team Canada brought was was very uninspiring.
Hockey Game Analysis and Team Decisions
00:18:19
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who
00:18:23
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um So yeah, a very uninspiring round robin. They lose five nothing to the stage. That's where a lot of Canadians finally, lot of Canadians, oh my god, what happened in that game? And then I'm texting all my friends being like, yeah, they've been doing this.
00:18:38
Speaker
early 10 days playing the US like no this was completely we like expected this is exactly what we thought was going to happen they knew going into this tournament that like they did not have a team that can beat the US so that was kind of fun to explain to people um yeah and then and then they played Germany in the quarterfinals and they announced Poudé is coming back which gotta say wasn't a fan of that decision It's just like, I know that in hockey culture and stuff, you know, you don't want to act like a win is guaranteed. You don't want to be like, yeah, yeah, we got this. It's fine. It's not that important. She'll come back for the important games.
00:19:21
Speaker
So I'm sure that Pune felt like she had to come back from injury. But especially that quarterfinal game against Germany, my take at the time that I stand by was this team is so good.
00:19:33
Speaker
you cannot win a quarterfinal game against Germany without Marie-Fleur Poulet, what are you doing even trying for gold? Like, just... You know, you have to win gold with her if you can't get to the gold medal game without her, you know? Yeah, it it didn't... Yeah, I... Like, because you could obviously see, too, that, like, she was obviously still injured. so it's like, I didn't understand the point.
00:19:58
Speaker
She was, like, so obviously in pain when she was skating. And then obviously, you know, that... that kind of bit me when they also played her against Switzerland and they had the same team. Like, if you can't get to the Golden Globe game without play, you're not going to win with her. um But then they proved that, yeah, they would not have been able to Yeah. And on some level, I think that was kind of just the Swiss style of play that was like, because, you know, they they got, the shot clock was pretty undefeated both the games they played against Switzerland.
00:20:27
Speaker
But even though, like, I didnt feel like Switzerland's goalie was that good. i felt like Canada just like wasn't ah getting any good shots off. um And i still felt like they should have they should have been able to dominate that game. Both games they played against Switzerland. yeah It was like shocking. i was like, how is it this close? I don't know. Maybe that's like my bias. But I was like, what the heck?
00:20:50
Speaker
And it didn't look like they were trying. What? Just so disappointing. um And then the final.
00:21:02
Speaker
The worst game in the the world. ah It's just like... that That game is like burned into my mind. um Because go into that game, I'm just dreading it. I'm like, this is going to be bad.
00:21:20
Speaker
We'll just see how bad it is, right? I've accepted the outcome. i have a tiny bit of hope, but I'm mostly just like, Yeah, it's gonna suck. It's gonna be a really rough three hours.
00:21:33
Speaker
um First period, Canada looks shockingly good. Most importantly, the US looks like they didn't even show me. Like, but let's be real here. emissions not look good in that first period. I remember correctly, I think the O'Neill goal was in the first, right?
00:21:54
Speaker
I think it was in the second, because I think it was a miracle that we came out of the first period scoreless, but I might be wrong. I had a memory of, like, the U.S. kind of picked things up toward the end of the first, and I went to intermission like, hmm, that second period's going to be bad. They're going to come roaring back. I think it might be in the second. we should I should look up the box score and stuff. But, um yeah.
00:22:21
Speaker
And then I remember leaving the second period being like, hold on a minute. Like they've got to lead. You know, it's going to be rough. You can't just sit on the lead against this team.
00:22:33
Speaker
ah You know that when that one goal is not going to do it. But like, maybe they can hold on. Maybe they can do it. And they almost didn't. It's the thought that Canada deserved that win. That's the thing. Like they didn't deserve to win.
00:22:49
Speaker
yeah It's just the thought of, This would be the funniest thing to ever happen in women's hockey if the U.S. choked this game away. Because that would be the narrative. Like, I would not be spreading any, like, you know, Canada's amazing narratives. I'd be like, what chokers the women are?
00:23:08
Speaker
No, it's true. And they were so so close. It was so close. Honestly, like, Devian, like, oh my gosh, you deserve... You deserve everything in the world. Oh my god, I actually can't believe that like we were actually that close. like um Truly two players showed it up for that game.
00:23:30
Speaker
Anthony DeVier and Laura Stacey. It's true. And I used to go to the real talk right now. But like, those two deserve their silver medals. Everybody else has no medals for you.
00:23:41
Speaker
No, it's true. That's like, I don't know. Like, I was just like, hold on, put a goth into the gold medal game. I should correct. She was injured. That's fine. it's just Three big swallows.
00:23:57
Speaker
There were more than three, but you know, the three main ones, I can't believe I'm saying this. Those three get their silver medals. Nobody else on that team deserves it. It's honestly true. And it's like, I don't know. Like, it just, it would have been so funny. It would have been so iconic. My take about like, they're just clutch in America's Not Clutch would have like come true. It would have just been perfect.
00:24:24
Speaker
They were so close. Like, they took it to overtime. And also, okay, the fucking call, the fucking Pettaleon Curl. So Britta Curl, like, Three to hit that would be a suspendable offense in men's hockey, right? And this is women's hockey at the Olympics.
00:24:44
Speaker
And it's initially a five-minute major. And I remember this happened with six minutes left in the game. So this happenss with these happens when my brother and I are both looking at the clock going, holy shit, we get a five-minute major.
00:24:56
Speaker
Like, if we get a five-minute power play, like... this is great. You know, not only do we have a chance to score another goal, but like the U S will only have one minute of five on five play to score. Not that that's impossible, but like, this is good. This is really, really good. And of course the refs basically decide we can't call a penalty that big in the dying minutes of, of a one nothing gold medal game. So we have to give her two minutes instead. Like, that's my thing, though. That is so annoying. Because it's like, obviously, it's been said to death. Like, you have to call things consistently, blah, blah, blah. But, like, supposedly, an international hockey is supposed to be better about that. Like, obviously, and, like, like whatever, like,
00:25:38
Speaker
pwhl and like nhl hockey it's gonna be like more of like oh but it's like you know this is such a big thing like we can't really do that i was told that like iihf hockey is supposed to be more fair and whatever but no the freaking the fix is in ah like like i don't know yeah and which you know maybe they would have gotten the time goal anyways who knows right um But, and like, refs are unfortunately very consistent about like not wanting to make a call like that. But man, that is such an uncont- it's uncontributional in the sense that like the Americans would complain about it either way. But like, that is so obviously a penalty.
00:26:24
Speaker
And it just, it sucks that we have basically this rule that once it gets to the end of the game, if it's really close, you can just do whatever you want, you know? Yeah, that's the thing that's like, speaking of like, this isn't a good advertisement for your sport. I know that like, it's a thing to like, obviously, like you want it to be entertaining and stuff, but it's like,
00:26:44
Speaker
I don't know. I personally believe, obviously, if, like, I'm on the other end of it, I probably flip flop and, like, because whatever, I'm biased and who cares. But it's, like, you can't do that at the, like, it's just, like, it's a bad look for your sport to basically be, like, yeah, this should obviously be a greater penalty, but we're just not going to do it. Like, I don't know.
00:27:05
Speaker
Yeah. um And I will say the one thing that we were spared, that I'm glad we were spared, is that When she made that hit and it was... No. Once the US tied it, i said, i've seen this script. I've seen this happen after, like, in the PWHL playoffs. After that playoff series against the Minnesota Frost, I know how this ends. And it ends with Britta Curl s still staring at overtime. And thanks to that did not happen.
00:27:40
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I don't... We can talk about, too, how three-on-three overtime in a gold medal game the stupidest thing. Are we talking about that now, or are we saving it? I don't know, but I'm gonna introduce it here that it's stupid and shouldn't have happened in this game.
00:27:55
Speaker
That's just my take, but I don't know. i f I agree. I do also understand why at the Olympics they can't just keep playing.
00:28:10
Speaker
Because, obviously, like... You know, one of the most exciting things about playoff hockey, men's or women's, that I think you know hockey fans take pride in how like completely unhinged this is, right? Is that you just keep playing until somebody scores. And i think a lot of us really kind of enjoy, at least in hindsight, thrill of the like marathon game and everything. And we you know we feel like that's an appropriate way to decide a game. However, we also know that those can technically just go on forever. So I understand that the Olympics, which is something that, you know,
00:28:44
Speaker
there's a bit of a time crunch, right? The men's game was played, finished just a few hours before the opening, the closing ceremonies, right? Like, you can't just have these games go on forever. um Even if it's just the gold medal game that goes on forever.
00:28:59
Speaker
still feel like there was a way to be like, I don't know, one period of five on five overtime. And then, and then you go to three on three. Like, mean, I think when I was playing like post-league girls hockey, there were some tournaments that would do like,
00:29:13
Speaker
five on five over time, then four on four, then three on three, you know? Like, you just take out players as you come out. I would be okay with that, right? Because then you're, like, giving them another chance, a chance to end it at five on five, while also acknowledging that, like, hey, guys, hurry it up. We we got to end this, right?
00:29:30
Speaker
Yeah. And to be honest, I don't even think Canada would have won five on five. I don't... I think that they were... I don't know. But whatever. My thing is just that this was, like, a fraudulent win. Yeah.
00:29:43
Speaker
So look, they won in a shootout in 2018 and they won at three on three this time. Both fraudulent. That's yeah.
00:29:55
Speaker
I'm not even saying fix it, to be honest. I'm just saying that like, it's not a real win. And that's yeah. Enjoy your Mickey Mouse win. That's cool. Yeah, I do have to say, when once it kept being 1-0 Canada for a while, I did have the thought of, like, the U.S. s is going to win this in overtime, and it's going hurt so bad.
00:30:15
Speaker
Yeah. It felt inevitable that the U.S. s was going to win, and yeah they gave us hope. ah Yeah, I don't know. Just sad. Yeah, and and once they tied it, i kind of i kind of felt like it was over then. But you never know, right? especially three on three, and three on three were good fit. I know it did. Like, put one A on the ice. Just an MVP on the ice and, like, she'll figure it out, you know? i know. That's in genuinely, I was like, wait, actually, thank God. But now, whatever. I don't know.
00:30:45
Speaker
that The best part of three on three is that you can just point to the win then and be like, it's fraudulent, so
Media Coverage of Women's Hockey
00:30:51
Speaker
whatever. We don't, yeah like, that's not real hockey. We don't acknowledge this, yeah. Maybe it's the one way in which the Canadian women's team relied too heavily on Pune, maybe they were all just like, yeah, she landed.
00:31:05
Speaker
I truly believe that that was the game plan. It just like, it stopped at overtime and they were like, figure it out. I don't know. They were just like, we know none of us are going to score. crazy see Only Pune has the ability to score at overtime. There's some magic happening here.
00:31:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:31:25
Speaker
Man.
00:31:28
Speaker
Uh, so, yeah. Very, very frustrating result. Frustrating tournament all around. It's like, I you feel like they just wouldn't get so funny if they'd won. I know. I would have ended up being like, damn, that was so shit. I just want to win, but like...
00:31:46
Speaker
fine you know I think also though the like annoying thing about like the narratives that come out now is like, wow, and like that's with play and play is like like aging obviously, so like Canada truly has no, and it's like, all the all the youth were left at home. You don't understand.
00:32:07
Speaker
yeah it was very frustrating.
00:32:12
Speaker
Yeah, more of a personnel decision. Like, I'm not saying that Canada would have won for sure if they brought a better roster. It's just like, yeah, we don't... It's not a case of the Americans have more young talent. It's a case of the Americans who brought their young talent and we didn't. Which, for the record, the exact same thing happened in 2022, except the opposite, where the US refused to bring their young talent and they refused to play their young talent, just like Canada did, had, like, the stupidest ice time decisions, and they lost.
00:32:43
Speaker
Whereas we had Fillier and Thompson showing up and dunking on everyone. So yeah, we'll we'll get him next time, hopefully. Yeah.
00:32:54
Speaker
Man. Also, shout out Alina Mueller. um Scored the bronze medal winning goal. Love her. And I think she got to be a flag bearer then. Maybe. Unless I made that up. Yeah, that was fun. Yeah, that was fun.
00:33:08
Speaker
No, it's so cool. And also, like, you know, people talk a lot about play scoring, like, getting the record for goals in an international tournament. It's 20 goals, which, by the way, absolutely insane that seven of those 20 goals were scored in gold match chains. That's 35%, guys.
00:33:25
Speaker
And 13 of them were in elimination games. Like, it's absolutely nuts. Anyways, she got that, like, 20 goals. Alina Mueller has 15 goals now. Or I think she's at 16 now, after that bronze medal winning goal.
00:33:39
Speaker
And she's way younger than Pune. She has several Olympics left in her. This is crazy. She's gonna surpass her.
00:33:48
Speaker
but I think that's like part of the thing, where people are like, Pune, Pune, your record is in jeopardy. How will you respond? It's like, oh well, Yeah.
00:34:03
Speaker
She didn't find out in time. I know. you should Otherwise, it's always me when I gloved.
00:34:12
Speaker
Yeah, also, I do just want to add one thing. i Absolutely embarrassing coverage from the American side, especially for that team. um From what I understand, the American broadcasters were like pretty much exclusively just talking about the men's team whenever the women showed up or like talked about the women's husbands or whatever. i was also especially pissed off at...
00:34:34
Speaker
how much the Canadian and American broadcasts were talking about Matthew Kachuk's quote about, what's her name, KK Harvey, as if he's the authority on anything. Because Matthew Kachuk went to one game and was like, oh yeah, Caroline Harvey, she's the Bobby Orr of women's hockey. And people acted like this was Matthew Kachuk being a huge women's hockey fan when it's like extremely condescending and just like completely disregards the history of women's sports and, you know, assumes that we've never had great defenders before.
00:35:09
Speaker
just Just wanted to complain about that. Honestly, Matthew Kachuk being embarrassing is... par for the court that's like that's so annoying i think that like the yeah from what i understand the canadian broadcast did do like a slightly better job of like they actually talked about the players but it's like still like and under no circumstances should men's hockey players let alone matthew kachuk be brought in to anything like
00:35:40
Speaker
it was just framing of that as like him being a huge women's hockey fan when it's like Imagine just like watching a new sport and then immediately declaring the best player on the ice or, um you know, the best player that you're watching, like the greatest of all time, you know, like if women's hockey has a Bobby Orr, it's Jenny Hirokoski.
00:35:59
Speaker
But like, I'll bet broadcasters didn't even don't even know who that woman is, you know? Yeah. Yeah. but Just like, why? Yeah, they kept being like, they call her the Bobby War of women's hockey. It's like, no, one random men's hockey player called her that. Like, um shut up.
00:36:14
Speaker
Wasn't there also some stupid graphic that's like, oh, they should, I don't remember which player, but like, oh, they should call her Kachuk instead or whatever. yeah It's like, why are we doing this? I think that was, that might have been about Abby Murphy. Yeah, yeah, I think it was. Which, like, in terms of her political views, that's not far off, but, um...
00:36:36
Speaker
Yeah, justs just lots of annoying bullshit that's like... um I'm glad we only have to do this every four years, know? Yeah. I'm glad that our women's hockey broadcasters, our PWHL broadcasters, at least in Canada, are great and know what they're talking about. And most people who care about the PWHL are actually cool. And we can just go back to that now. Ugh, yeah. It's like, the I think it's the the dissidents now. It's like, Now that we know what true women's hockey fandom and women's hockey broadcast can look like, you see the contrast of like, oh, here's a bunch of people who don't know a thing about the sport trying to cover it, right? That gets annoying.
00:37:18
Speaker
Yeah.
00:37:21
Speaker
Okay. Men's hockey time. Oh my god. I don't want to. This is already so bad. This is so bad, guys. It's so bad.
00:37:38
Speaker
Well, on positive note, Tier Stutzla had a great tournament. Yeah, he really did. It was so fun being German with all of you for one week.
00:37:53
Speaker
Did you tune into many of his games? I tuned into few Germany games. I wasn't paying attention too much, but yeah, I think that, um, like, shout out Tim Stutzel. I think also, like, it must have been a great experience like, get to play with, like, Leon Dreisaitl and stuff. I think that, like, that's so awesome that, like, all of Leon Dreisaitl's sons get to, like, go hang out with him. i think that's lovely. Um, and yeah, Tim Stutzel had a great tournament, and...
00:38:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's great to see. Yeah, it was nice. um A little bit frustrating watching Team Germany. I feel like we were maybe, when projecting this tournament, like maybe weighing NHL talent a little more heavily than we needed to because like, damn.
00:38:44
Speaker
That supporting cast, he, Tim Stutzler averaged over 21 minutes his time to sign forward in that tournament. Oh my gosh, honestly,
00:38:58
Speaker
i just I don't know, like it's It's just crazy to me because like obviously like it's like slightly random like when like you'll produce like great NHLers or whatever. But it's like I would have thought that like the Leon Dreisaitl of it all would have just produced like amazing hockey players. Like everyone would have been like well we're putting our son in hockey or whatever. Like it would have produced like better men's hockey players. But I don't know. Maybe that maybe it's like it'll happen in a few years.
00:39:26
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Also, well I feel like their strategy of just running their NHL players into the ground in a tournament where you play almost every day, um feel like that was not a good split scheme, especially for round robin, because from what I saw, right, those round robin games, and who did they play? They played obviously the US. That game's a write-off. You're not going to win that. Just roll normal lines, do what you can, try to keep the goal differential low, right? Because like in the round robin, your goal is just to get a good seeding, right? Realistically, they're not going to get a bye to the quarterfinals as Germany, right? So you just got to get a a good matchup in your qualifier game. So yeah, game against the US are right off. But they played Denmark, that one, like, yeah.
00:40:18
Speaker
Try to win that one, obviously. But like, it should be fairly evenly matched. Latvia as well, fairly evenly matched. Obviously, France just roll right over them. You don't need to be running your best players into the ground. Like, you should have a team that is good enough that you can, like, roll four lines, have people ruin normal ice time, and then, then you get to the quarterfinal, and you start running into the ground. Because then you just gotta get to the middle rounds and you're good, you know? Like, surely that would have been a better strategy, because by the time you got to that quarterfinal game, like, damn, she just, like, barely stayed.
00:40:57
Speaker
She's like, wasn't thinking. What? They lost? They would have died! Yeah, I'm like in my head. I'm like, I wonder if it was a situation where they like can't give France bulletin board material. We have to run the undry-siddle otherwise they'll be mad at us. But yeah, I also i the like I didn't tune in too much to Germany games, but like five seconds of one game I did tune in. They were like, and there's Tim Stutzla going down pretty easy. And I was like, my yep, my king. It was awesome.
00:41:29
Speaker
was awesome ah Yeah. like was thanks sound easy And then, look, that's my I was like, yes, showcase your talent on the international stage, like, king.
00:41:45
Speaker
Yeah, it was so cool how, like, it was so obvious that Germany's strategy, because they had Dreisaitl and Switzel on different lines, right? They were together on the power play, but at five on five, it was Dreisaitl who was, like, drawing all the attention, you know, like let everyone focus on tricycle and then just sneak in to the next shift and he gets to feast on on, you know, lesser competition. And so he got to rack up his points. Yeah.
00:42:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. And honestly, other than the comments of about, you see, every time I tuned in to a Germany game, the announcers were just like raving about how good he is. They were so impressed with him. So I was just happy with that. and He was certainly my favorite Sens player at the Olympics.
00:42:40
Speaker
ah Yeah. And it was not close. Not me to the competition there, was it? Yeah.
00:42:49
Speaker
Ooh. Um...
Fan Unity and Political Implications in Hockey
00:42:52
Speaker
I think was not watching, well, no, I did stop watching Team USA when I was rooting against them. The things that could have happened if they had just lost to Sweden. I know. I didn't, I missed the Sweden game, but I tuned into the Slovakia game. I was like, oh my gosh, Slavkovsky, for the first time in my life, I'm rooting for you so hard, please. And yeah.
00:43:14
Speaker
Yeah. One thing about the Slovakia. ceremony game is it got really tense between Habs fans and Sens fans. That's so funny. So many fans were like diehard Slovakia fans for the last 10 weeks. It's funny being on like a hockey Twitter. I just can't tell.
00:43:35
Speaker
A tweet is coming from like an actual Slovak hockey fan or just a Habs fan.
00:43:42
Speaker
and That's like part of what I love about the Olympics too, is just like, it's just so nice to be like, i mean, i guess I'm here now. I guess I'm here with the German hockey fans now.
00:43:54
Speaker
I know, like since Euler's Twitter, we were up early every time we were ready to cheer on our boys. Yeah. Yeah. And then like I also appreciate everyone coming together to just be like no matter what USA must lose our efforts were valiant if unsuccessful.
00:44:19
Speaker
It just won. If Sweden had just won that over time.
00:44:25
Speaker
That was like also just like a boring game. and But then also, i was like, oh, I remember this now. I tuned in to last five seconds. I was like, Zivinijad, the Sens on top again. like it The Sens narrative coming back. ah But yeah. I was more invested in the US losing than Canada winning. And especially after what has happened post-USA winning, I feel even more validated in that. You know? Like I knew... I knew exactly what was going to happen if they won. And I was just really invested in that not happening. And I think that's part of what made me so into Team Canada because I was just like, we need to beat them. Yeah. Because it's just like...
00:45:08
Speaker
like I like, like, obviously hockey always has, like, especially like international hockey always has like undercurrents of like political things, whatever. Cause like, obviously like nothing exists in a vacuum, all this stuff, but like, man, is it ever on the forefront in like every game now? And it's funny. Cause like, I don't think the play, like, okay. Because I saw an interview, or like an a clip from an interview or whatever with Connor McDavid, where they were like, oh, like, what about like the geopolitical consequences of this Connor? And he was literally just like... I'm sorry, just want some U.S. women are not visiting the White House.
00:45:45
Speaker
My goats. like say like Okay, anyways, continue. Keep going. Britta Crowe is punching the air right now. I was a little worried. Oh my gosh, ok Shout out to you guys.
00:45:57
Speaker
Wow, the bar is so low. Yeah. But yeah, so like, I think the players were just like, this is a hockey game. But then you see the US players celebrating and you're like, oh, this feels like more than a hockey game to them.
00:46:12
Speaker
Yeah, it was also the same at Four Nations. um Like even before that game, like thankfully they lost, but we knew exactly how they would be celebrating if they won, you know, and that's why we were really glad that they didn't win.
00:46:25
Speaker
um And it was it was really annoying seeing a lot of Americans be like, why why are Canadians so sore losers? Or like, you know why are Canadians so invested in these? And it's like, we're actually not, I mean, really just as trusted, but like, for a lot of us, it's not just that we need Canada to win. It's like, we know exactly what's going to happen if they lose. Like, we know how the US is going to celebrate. We know how they're going to use this for propaganda. Like, no no Canadians are surprised to see the US celebrating that way. I don't know why some American fans are surprised.
00:46:55
Speaker
Yeah, like, honestly, the personnel there maybe is surprising. I can't, I keep coming back to, like, why is Kash Patel there? Like, yeah I don't know what he does, but, like, surely you have better things to do.
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah, but, i like, everyone knew this was going to happen, and it's annoying, and it's happening. Yeah. um Okay, maybe we end on maybe we end on talking about Team USA celebrations and we we continue in chronological order here. Yeah. yeah So I do also, like, it I got really invested in Team USA, such as political implications, right?
00:47:38
Speaker
um But it was really fun cheering for them until it wasn't. Yeah, but literally, yeah.
00:47:47
Speaker
I was really surprised. I'm always surprised at the Olympics, how into it I get and how passionately I will cheer for players that I normally don't like very much. um But yeah, preliminary round, that was so much fun.
00:48:03
Speaker
Yeah. So much fun. i was like, this is what it feels like to be a fan of just like an amazing team. Like this is how like, I don't know, freaking like, I don't even know what an NHL equivalent it could be. That's the thing, there is no NHL equivalent. This is just like the best team.
00:48:18
Speaker
ah People are like, this is what it feels like to be a Dodgers fan. Probably yes. Like that's the closest I could think.
Young Talent and Player Stories in the Olympics
00:48:25
Speaker
So good. i cannot believe how endeared I am by Macklin Celebrini. I know.
00:48:33
Speaker
Macklin Celebrini. I was like, oh my God. It's so true. Like he was just like, I'm, I'm so happy he's there. That's the thing. i was like so happy that I'm like, you know what? We're going to get so many more Macklin Celebrini Olympics if NHLers are still allowed to go.
00:48:49
Speaker
So that will be fun. Did you see that apparently he got volunteered to do some kind of cupcake baking event when he comes back? What? Apparently there was a Sharks event. I'm sorry that I know like ah Sharks Twitter lore now, but there was a Sharks like charity event where people were auctioning off you know they were optionctioning off like things for fans, right? And one of them was called an elevated cupcake experience with members of the San Jose Sharks, where... like they would some mysterious members of the San Jose Sharks would be baking cupcakes alongside like a bakery and at the auction they had Will Smith there and he was like yeah I'm gonna be one of the players also I'm gonna convince him to do it wait that's so funny oh my gosh I wish that like I cared about the San Jose Sharks because I would love to keep being a Macklin-Silverini fan I just won't do it
00:49:52
Speaker
he's like every time he plays a game in Canada at least for the rest of the season and everyone's gonna be like oh that's that little boy we were trying to work I know ah I just i wanted I wanted him to score so bad in like it's the gold medal game but it's okay and look gotta say this I'm not usually like a fan of players on teams that are not my own or who have never played for the Sens but like Man, player that most enjoy watching and cheering for when there's when there's a Team Canada honestly Nathan McKinnon. You must have been having an amazing time that game against Finland.
00:50:38
Speaker
Like, I think it's just... I love how completely insane he is, and I love explaining his lore to people. like I told so many people about Nathan McKinnon buying the house next to Crosby's house during the Olympics. didn't even know that. It's such a funny thing. And then I'm like, yeah, he eats chickpea pasta because he hates carbs. like Some of the things are a little bit exaggerated, but like I love explaining just like his obsession with c Sidney Crosby. I think it's so funny. yeah
00:51:11
Speaker
That's the thing. Just one of the most memeable players, you When Crosby wasn't playing, I was like, someone check on Nathan McKinnon. Is he okay?
00:51:21
Speaker
Yeah.
00:51:24
Speaker
And yeah, it was it was fun cheering for Connor McDavid as well. I liked it. I don't know if you saw this, but people were calling the line. There's different names floating around for the McKinnon, McDavid, Celebrini line. But my favorite one was when people called it the nuclear line. Just like, drop the nukes.
00:51:40
Speaker
I love the team. Three flares on the ice. That's so good I only saw it called, like, the Mac 3 line or whatever. i was like, that's pretty good. Or the Big Mac. Yeah. Something like that. and I just like the nuclear line because it shows off what they what they do, right? You go nuclear. You just, like, fuck it. Put these three on the ice. But the thing is, it stopped being that relevant when...
00:52:04
Speaker
John Cooper started running with that as just like the regular first line because none of the other lines were working, you know? Yeah. Because John, in the round robin, it was like, is a nuclear option, you know? Like, we need a goal.
00:52:15
Speaker
We dropped the nuke. Put those three on the ice. Yeah.
00:52:22
Speaker
Anyways, the round robin was so fun. this is the Czechia game. Okay, that one I didn't watch because I was, like, running errands and stuff. And I was like, oh, but, like, I probably won't miss much. Like, no offense to Czechia, but, like, I've seen the round-robin games. Like, I think we've got this. I come home, I was like, what happened here? Like, what the heck? I came home right when overtime ended. And I was, like, checking my phone and stuff. And I was like, wait, what? But then I, like, couldn't check it that much. I don't know. Shocking. Yeah, that was the um the dividing line for me in um
00:52:57
Speaker
between games where I would study in front of the TV and games would be like, it's a great time to watch hockey, you know? Because I was in my parents' basement. I was, you know, I had all my books open. i was studying. I had the game on in the background. i was like, oh, we're losing.
00:53:17
Speaker
Interesting. you know, I'm just like, it won't last, it won't last. And then, yeah, we almost lost that game. But we did it. We did it. It's fine. Yeah, that was so funny because that's the too many men game, right? Where like, yeah, yeah, they scored with like so many people on the ice. so Because at the beginning they were like, there were six guys on the ice. And then slowly it's like there was eight guys on the ice. And it's like, how were there eight guys?
00:53:47
Speaker
In fairness, think it was like there were six like there were six skaters yeah defending in the defensive zone. It was not a line change. They just straightened six players on the ice.
00:53:57
Speaker
They broke out into some phone with six players in the ice. And now think there was like a line change where maybe there's like a clip where you have eight players on the ice. I don't know if it was technically that many extra players.
00:54:09
Speaker
What's crazy is like the broadcast didn't notice it. The coach didn't notice it. And Stan claims he noticed it, but he didn't. Yeah, Nathan didn't notice it. He'd be saying something, I presume. Can you imagine?
00:54:23
Speaker
I thought that there were too many players. It was just like, not my problem. I like that whole thing of like I called my landlord to increase the rents that's how much I respect the grimes like I actually told them to put on more players.
00:54:38
Speaker
ah Yeah. That's almost like one of the most controversial goals in Olympic history like it's checking who wins that game. Holy shit. I know. um So the IFC must be glad that and the IHF must be glad that that didn't happen.
00:54:57
Speaker
Um, because we averted disaster. Now, in hindsight, it's like, that's kind of funny. Yeah, no, if we had lost, I still would have been fuming. I would have been, like, doing a letter writing campaign to someone. I don't know who. But, like, because we won, it's hilarious. It's like, oh, wow. We're, like, just got so desperate. Like, only when I...
00:55:20
Speaker
is to have an extra skate around the ice. Yeah, that game was so awesome too because I feel like when do we get to have the opportunity to be like great Nick Suzuki tip and what a goal by Marner. Like wow. Yeah. Never before.
00:55:37
Speaker
man Unfortunately that was also the game where Radko Gutis murdered and captained Yeah. What the heck? What? let's Yeah, against the toughest. I don't get it. Because, like, was this a coordinated thing? Like, both the, like, men and women teams were like, k okay, guys, we have to take matters into our own hands.
00:56:02
Speaker
Absolutely nuts. Unbelievable. I know.
00:56:08
Speaker
I'm actually so upset about it still. i was, like, such a Sidney Crosby head for these couple weeks. I know. i know. Genuinely, i think Radko Gudis needs to hire security the next time he's in the same city as Nathan McKinnon.
00:56:29
Speaker
Yeah. And then I guess, the Finland game. That was funny. I feel like people were like, the refs, the refs bought it for Canada because Nathan McKinnon got high-sticked and they called a penalty.
00:56:46
Speaker
Sorry.
00:56:49
Speaker
Yeah.
00:56:52
Speaker
Yeah. it's It's like, it's kind of like what we were saying about the women's gold medal game, where it's like, if you don't call that, you know, and in the last few minutes of the game, like you are affecting the game. Yeah. Right.
00:57:08
Speaker
think it, The Finland game, I felt like that was, it was a very much a come from behind win because they were down to nothing. um I feel like I was very stressed for most of that game.
00:57:19
Speaker
once they, they were so good after going down to nothing that by the time they got that power play at the end of the game, I was like, we're not getting overtime. Like, this is over. We're done. yeah And I was right.
00:57:32
Speaker
So, um yeah, and then I did write in our notes, is Nathan McKinnon goaded? And then I had to add, wrote this before the final and now I want to die. um Because, yeah, I was, I really enjoyed that feeling.
00:57:46
Speaker
cute. Yeah. And in Philly's. I enjoyed McKinnon posting for like 48 hours. little less than that. I was like, I was telling everyone like, guys, no fun until Sunday. don't need any carbs, no sugar.
00:58:02
Speaker
Nathan McKinnon mode to honor our lord and savior, Nathan McKinnon. We're only going worship Cindy Crosby for the next two days. That's what he bought. ah I wish it had worked.
00:58:15
Speaker
the and Also, Do you want to say on that? Well, okay. There was a moment in that game shortly before the goal, right? Where the players are like, where the linesman whistles down the play thinking it's offside and it's very obviously not offside. And I had the thought and I said it to my mom who was watching with me, i was like, this is why...
00:58:40
Speaker
offside reviews are takeable because you don't want the reps, if they're unsure if it's offside not, to be whistling the play down. You'd rather just let them play if it's like kind of borderline and they don't see it, you know? And if you constantly have these offside reviews and you're making reps feel like they have to get it right every single time, then they're going to start whistling down plays that like, you know, they shouldn't have whistled down. just probably the end of the game when Canada was, i think trailing actually, not even tied, right? So these are really important moments where it's like, you need to get that right.
Controversial Moments and Officiating Critiques
00:59:08
Speaker
A few minutes later, There's Zoom entry where, again, I said to my mom, think they were offside on that Zoom entry. and then a minute and a half passes. McKinnon scores. I'm screaming my head off.
00:59:20
Speaker
And they took a video review from offside. So that was just crazy sequence of events. Yeah, honestly, like, it's, I respect haterism to be like, if you're Finnish, to be like, that was so clearly offside and Canada, like, this is corrupt, blah, blah, blah. But like, it was not offside, in my opinion. Like, maybe it was, but it's like, it was not anywhere near conclusive to like, be able to overturn a goal, in my opinion.
00:59:52
Speaker
And like, went back for whistling down that earlier. Yeah, like, it's a game of makeup called yeah i think if i was a finnish fan i'd be bad yeah if i was finnish i'd definitely be like that was so clearly offside whereas our like at least our silver medal like or gold like what the hell but yeah yeah so yeah fun game in hindsight that's there was the czechia game one day and then the next day it was the women's gold medal game and then the day after that it was finland and after that i was just like thank god there's no hockey i care about tomorrow like
01:00:25
Speaker
Why would they why if they do that to win this? Yeah. Yeah. So... And then that was it. That was the end of the tournament. Yeah. they They called off the tournament after that.
01:00:38
Speaker
They said, Camilda, you played so well in this tournament that like there's no point even playing the last game. We're just going to give you gold. um I cannot remember details of the men's game.
01:00:51
Speaker
Because... I was watching all of it through my fingers. Like I had my hands up. I was so stressed about this game that i actually could not watch it. Yeah, same. Honestly, when they, in the third period, um when there was the like, uh, four minute penalty for knocking Jack Hughes' teeth out, or first, i was like, literally like, come on Jack Hughes, get up. And the people I was watching was it like, oh, he's actually missing teeth. And I was like, okay.
01:01:20
Speaker
Whatever. Like, anyway. um I, like, literally, like, just left. I was like, I'm actually not watching this, and I, like, went to go for a walk. was like, I can't do this. Yeah. But yeah. ah
01:01:35
Speaker
First of all, further proof that the Americans did not deserve this win. Why were Americans complaining about the start time? Part of the fun of international hockey is you wake up at the crack of dawn, and you watch hockey first thing in the morning.
01:01:51
Speaker
It's true. Also, like, such a skill gap, everyone I know on the West Coast, so it was 5 a.m. start time, was up and at them and having their Tims or whatever. So literally a skill gap.
01:02:06
Speaker
Yeah, we deserved it. I know. in many ways. It was so funny also because, like, I think, like, Matthew Kachuk, always at the scene of the crime, was like, oh, like, this is such a big game. Like, everyone in Canada and America is going to be watching.
01:02:20
Speaker
Everyone in Canada was certainly watching. I don't think he understands that people in America, they don't all care about this. Obviously, there's American hockey fans, but it's like, they don't care as much. Like, what are you talking about? Like, you're not that relevant, I fear.
01:02:34
Speaker
Yeah, I will say, okay, my dad's American, and he had a lot of friends and family um who were tuning into the game to root for Canada. Okay, that's fair, then.
01:02:46
Speaker
Yeah, plenty of people who don't care about hockey were like, this is important. We don't beat Canada. That would be bad for our, like, you know, politics and propaganda and stuff.
01:03:01
Speaker
Yeah, like I have like American family who literally did not care, did not watch. So I'm like, Matthew Kachuk, these people don't care about you. No, my, the Minneapolis branch of my family for probably understandable reasons were big Canada of the heads. Yeah.
01:03:20
Speaker
They're from the South. They're football basketball fans. But he tuned in and I was, yeah, giving them information about the game through my dad, who just hates sports. So but it was, I don't even know what, what information he relayed to them. Um, so yeah, completely undeserved for the U S all good people in the States were rooting for Canada.
01:03:44
Speaker
Um, but you know, there are no hockey gods. There's no justice in this world. Evil always wins. Um, la yeah, just, just sucks.
01:03:59
Speaker
And like, if we're gonna do the post-mortem what happened here, like on the one hand, we can say that in a seven game series, Canada probably wins this.
Post-Mortem of Canada's Olympic Hockey Performance
01:04:12
Speaker
They straight up got goalie. Like international hockey comes down to one game. Hockey is a sport where technically any team can win any game, you know? um So there is that.
01:04:24
Speaker
On the other hand, the road to the film is stuffed easy, guys. Like, we were very close to getting eliminated in the quarterfinals. I know, that's insane. So I think there was maybe something wrong with this roster. Just just putting that out there. Yeah, honestly...
01:04:44
Speaker
I don't know. i i like don't know enough about non-SEN's NHL players to know who they probably should have brought. Maybe not Sam Bennett. bla It's just my like immediate thing that I'm thinking. i don't know though. like I don't know who actually they should have brought. like People are saying Conor Bedard. I don't know if that's true. but There are multiple issues here. I think i think there were issues in every position. For one, a lot of the lines, just forward lines, just didn't work.
01:05:16
Speaker
Honestly, I feel like part of the problem with that was that we had no puck moving D. Like the deep defense was she could have no play. Here's the thing. When Hockey Canada announced their roster for the Olympics, I looked at those names and I was like, there lot of defensemen here that I don't know.
01:05:35
Speaker
um But I only pay attention to the Sens. So I'm going to trust that these defensemen are good. And then I watched Team Canada, I was like, Walter Pareto sucks.
01:05:49
Speaker
Travis Sandheim kinda sucks. Drew Doughty, I already hated him. I already knew he sucked. Yeah. So I was not surprised by that one. Even like Thomas Harley, I was not impressed. Devon Tabes, like he was the Chris Kunitz of this roster. Like I get that he was there for Cael McCarr. I didn't necessarily have a problem with it, but I was like, ooh, Thomas Chibot is playing again. Like all these guys. Yeah. And also the thing about like Tabes and McCarr is that like, okay, you play together all the time.
01:06:19
Speaker
Surely you wouldn't let Matt Boldy score a goal, right? I was like, why are you here then? I know. I was like, why are you here? Like, you're literally here to make that not happen. So like you failed at your one thing. Why is Matt Boldy scoring on us?
01:06:38
Speaker
like not having Josh Morrissey was like a bigger factor than people are acknowledging. like He's a great puck moving defenseman from what I understand. Maybe if they have him, they win. you know Well, because he got injured, so nothing they can do about that. But like how is it that one of your defensemen gets injured seeing that you can't move the puck? Why are you picking guys who are good at in-zone defense when you don't plan to do any in-zone defense job? You're so good. Yeah.
01:07:06
Speaker
Yes, there is a part of me that's like, I can see the alternate timeline where Shabbat shows up and makes a game and... Would he have made more mistakes than Devontaeus did? tell the car, honestly.
01:07:20
Speaker
Like, truly, i think he makes this team better. what's so frustrating is that, like... People kept talking about, you know, the lack of Puck moving D and who they left behind. And I understand Euthers fans saying Evan Bouchard was like the big snub. People are like Matthew Schaefer was the big snub.
01:07:37
Speaker
not even talking about Shabbat as snub. Like, he's a snub from the list of Olympic snubs. He wasn't even invited. Dude, that's the thing. Also, like, I'm sorry, Drew Doughty, whenever I saw anyone and was like, that guy's terrible. Who is that? Without fail, it was Drew Doughty or honestly, Brad Marchand. I'm sorry to say he did not have a great game, but...
01:08:00
Speaker
Yeah, so so so many people are saying that Chikrin was a snub, and that's what gets me, because I'm like, okay, Evan Bouchard, I don't watch him. I don't i don't know if he's any good. Matthew Schaefer, don't really watch him. I don't know.
01:08:11
Speaker
i watched a lot of Chikrin hockey. I watched him not only on the same team as Thomas Chabot, I watched him on the same pairing. And i know which of those two defensemen I am taking every single time. Yeah, I...
01:08:30
Speaker
i Honestly, Jacob Chickren would have made things worse. Even if we would have won, I would have been like, oh, but Jacob Chickren's here. like Jacob Chickren, we would have lost this woman medal and then he would have won so to celebrate. Literally.
01:08:46
Speaker
That's the thing. Like, that man is spiritually American. I literally, that's why when, like, I think whenever people were like, oh yeah, Jacob Trigger, and I was like, why would, he's American.
01:08:57
Speaker
i thought he was. I understand his, dual citizen yeah, his like grandfather's from Ottawa or something, I think. Yeah. No, but he's a dual citizen. And truly, maybe we should sort of rumor that like he was offered a spot on Team in Canada and declined because he'd rather play for the U.S.
01:09:16
Speaker
yeah i don't know it's just so it was so frustrating the takes afterwards were so frustrating i saw takes that were like and it was literally the stupidest take i've ever seen actually it was like and canada doesn't even have good talent coming up because the world juniors is the biggest indicator of young talent and they lost world juniors and it's like we don't send the juniors who are already in the nhl What are you talking about? Like, I just had to see the dumbest takes and then get angry, sadly.
01:09:51
Speaker
Yeah. So, yeah I know. Lots to get angry angry about. I mean, like, the goaltending Like, Binnington was fine. It's just, like, we could have done better, you know?
01:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, honestly though, don't like Binnington. Why is he the best ever when he's like representing Canada? Like, I think he's not even good, but it's like he's so much worse when he's just on the St. Louis Blues. I'm like, what goes on here? like <unk>s not just that. It's like he's not good on the St. Louis Blues, but then once the playoffs, she look samee it's just What's frustrating is that going into that final game, everyone was like, well, these goalies are opposite, right? Because Jordan Binnington sucks all the time. And then you put him in an important game and he is so good. Whereas Connor Hillbuck, great all the time, sucks in the playoffs, right?
01:10:51
Speaker
And of course, oh course, Connor Hillbuck is the one that changes the narrative. know. And we've been gracious and happy for him. if I hadn't seen the video of that phone call afterwards, because he was so excited.
01:11:05
Speaker
Like, my apologies to the people of Winnipeg, honestly, because, like, imagine this happens to you when you're from Winnipeg. I'd literally be like, what the hell is going on?
Olympics' Unifying Effect on Fans
01:11:14
Speaker
Like... Honestly, yeah, after that, the people I felt most sorry for it were Jets fans and Oilers fans. Yeah, Oilers fans have, like, been through it.
01:11:28
Speaker
But, yeah. It's also funny, because, like... The Olympics were so, like, uniting that I was feeling bad for all these other fans that normally don't. Like, why was I agreeing with the Canada's team takes? That hasn't won the Stanley Cup in years.
01:11:46
Speaker
We need to win. We need to bring the Stanley Cup back. It was like... Yeah, were just making tweets that were like, between the Leaps, the Jays, che so like, we're all suffering. And I was like, so true. I was like, I came out of that game, like, I have one thing on my mind, and it's that we need to get Connor McDavid a cup. Like, that's all I'm thinking about now. And like, honestly, there's nothing there's nothing here for me anymore on the Ottawa Senators. Thomas Shabbat, I love you. Stutzla, love you.
01:12:16
Speaker
And that's all I have to say. Also that's the thing, is people were like, oh we need a Canadian team to win the cup and normally I would jump in and be like, you it's gonna be the Ottawa Senators and I was just like, i I can't do that.
01:12:29
Speaker
Because like, because of who we have as our captain, like, no. I know. It wouldn't be win, you know? Like I'm going through the period now where I'm like, I just don't know. like I don't know, man. i don't know.
Political Implications of Hockey Celebrations
01:12:45
Speaker
feels little worse than Four Nations because in Four Nations he lost.
01:12:48
Speaker
So, you know, we didn't have to see anything too bad. Whereas now it's like, oh, there's my captain partying with the cash patrol. You know, gleefully calling Donald Trump.
01:13:04
Speaker
Cool. he's He's about to go to the White House, I'm pretty sure. And I'm sure they're all going to wear that damn red tie or whatever the hell. like And i already know on their stupid podcast, they're going to be like such an honor to meet Donald Trump while wearing their stupid gold medals. Like I'm, it's just, I can't live like this.
01:13:25
Speaker
Yeah. My beautiful Ottawa senators don't deserve this. Yeah, and it's like, it's not that I expected anything different. No. I just didn't want to see it, you know? Yeah, like, that's the thing, because obviously, like, I am no stranger to the fact that people on Team Canada have bad politics, but, like, yeah this wasn't gonna happen. Like, this specifically, this whole thing was not gonna happen, so, like, I don't know. Like, obviously everyone has bad politics and all this stuff, but, like, you have to admit, it's getting to a point. Yeah.
01:13:59
Speaker
And like truly, i do genuinely believe that they're all just stupid, or at least most of them are. ah Still not an excuse though. Yeah. I think like, like honestly, i think they were celebrating their win and they were like, yeah, the director of the FBI wants to help us. Sure. That's so cool. We're partying with the director of the FBI. Like they they don't know what that symbolizes. I still think that like the media has a responsibility to be like, hey,
01:14:28
Speaker
this is a really, really bad luck. And like, you need to answer for this, you know? Yeah. Like I would love anyone in hockey media to be like, to just like bring any of Donald Trump's policies in front of them and be like, please discuss this. Like, why, why are you supporting this? Like, I don't know.
01:14:46
Speaker
like I know they're not going to give good answers, yeah right? But i I just think that we should at least be making them uncomfortable, right? Yeah, because it's like, if that's what you're going to stand for, then okay, explain why exactly you stand for it. And it's like, that's the thing, they do like this wishy-washy like, oh, it's just because America's the greatest country in the world. Like, no, I want you to specifically talk about why you're supporting all of these policy decisions.
01:15:10
Speaker
Like... Yeah. Yeah. and And why you're letting yourself be used in propaganda for not just the country, but for like this specific regime and their foreign policy. Yeah. Because I wouldn't want to be used for that.
01:15:25
Speaker
yep Yeah. um Yeah. and And I think like what really gets me is like there wasn't even a moment where they were like, maybe cut the cameras.
01:15:37
Speaker
you know? Right? It's like everything that they showed us, they were clearly fine with having on social media, right? They didn't go, hey, maybe it's a bad look for me to be in this video.
01:15:48
Speaker
Maybe I shouldn't pose for a picture with the director of the FBI. Maybe I shouldn't post this. Maybe I shouldn't go on Instagram live. yeah Like, especially for Brady and for Austin Matthews. Like, you're the captain and you didn't even think like oh this might be controversial like we didn't think about the media in Canada that like they're not even worried about this being controversial yeah especially like Toronto media obviously has a rap of like, man, they're so hard on their players. They're so hard on these players. Like in every regard, except ones that matter though. Like, I don't know. Like, that like, it's just crazy that like, you know, that they're not going to get asked about any of this. And it's like, it's just crazy. Yeah. Like, um oh, it's too awkward to ask them. Awkward for who?
01:16:39
Speaker
Like, make them feel awkward. I think they should. Yeah. And, like, that's the thing. It all comes back to, like, issues of, like like, who is even getting to be in the room in, like, hockey. It's, like, overwhelmingly, obviously, as we know, like, a white male sport in, like, in, like, men's hockey. So, like, who gets to actually be asking questions? It's, like, I don't know.
01:17:02
Speaker
Yeah. Well, and the thing is, you know that these guys think it's hilarious that people like us are upset by this stuff. You know, like, don't know, we could go on and on about how it's awful and disappointing that they're acting like this. And if they ever got wind of it, they'd be like, haha, that's great. Yeah. All these, yeah, woke leftist hockey fans are so triggered by what we're doing, you know?
01:17:28
Speaker
So I, yeah, I really wish that the more kind of traditional legacy media would step up. Yeah. So, anyway, this is the most depressing episode ever.
01:17:42
Speaker
Yep. i Uh... Oh, we didn't talk about the missed too many men call in the men's game. Yeah. The second one, the gold medal game. Uh... Honestly, I'm not as specific about it as I thought I would be. Like, yes, it wouldn't helped, but also they did get on power play after that, and they did fuck all of it.
01:18:04
Speaker
They also like had a five on three for like two full minutes or something like that. That, that was the moment they lost the game. Yeah. Like watching that five on three, potentially the worst five on three I've ever seen in my life. I like i was like, how can they not enter the zone?
01:18:21
Speaker
They literally have five players and the other team has three. Like, how can they how can they not... i don't i can't get into it because I'm going to get so angry, but like how can you not get a decent shot ah five on three?
01:18:35
Speaker
ah Yeah. And yeah, they get a power play late, and it's just like with the Finland game. It's a tie game. get a power play at the end. End it now so you don't have to play three on three. Could have done it, but they didn't.
01:18:46
Speaker
or And I don't know if that would have changed if they had called the too many men. yeah Just a big disappointment. So yeah, I'm not blaming the refs as much as other people are. I feel like this was all avoidable.
01:18:57
Speaker
yeah And now we have to be subjected to the hell of this Team USA celebration. Yeah. I don't know. And it's just, it's like we we always talk about this where it's like we know that all the players are bad people. It's just like, I don't know.
01:19:14
Speaker
i think you can still be like, upset that players are, like, being very openly awful, you know? Yeah. Because it's, like, i think that, like, there's obviously, like, we all know they all have bad politics and stuff, but, like,
01:19:29
Speaker
I think it's different and and and not different in the sense of like, oh, it's so much better. Just keep it quiet. But it's like, OK, so like literally you're doing like proud displays of like propaganda for like, again, like these policies and like specifically like American foreign policy and all this stuff. So it's like it's actually worse. Like it's like objectively, this is worse than if this had not happened.
01:19:51
Speaker
you know Not that. Yeah, not the Canadian, that the Canadian team is the good guys. No, I'm sure, like, a lot of them have been to the White House, but like, I don't know, like, they this would not have happened. Yeah. And, like, that's the thing, like, if America had won and this hadn't happened, would, like, we would talk exclusively, I feel like, about the hockey more so, you know what I mean? Like, if it's like they did this for some reason, so then there you go
01:20:22
Speaker
Yeah. And it's, like, well, part of the reason I cared so much was I was, like, if If that USA team wins, like, it's really gonna suck. I know exactly what the narrative is gonna be, what that regime is gonna use, you know, how they're gonna use it, and I don't know if I'm gonna be able to, like, cheer for Brady Kachanka after seeing how he celebrates this, you know? Um, cause that team is so close with the president.
01:20:55
Speaker
Just, just fuckin' sucks. Um... And also, like, yeah, we are recording this on the Monday right before the day before they apparently are going to the White House.
01:21:08
Speaker
um I just want to say, i know that, like, especially with the Stanley Cup winning team visiting the White House, it's always this like, well, it's such a big deal to decline. It's hard for them to decline, which is still an excuse.
01:21:22
Speaker
ah It's even more egregious for players to go right now. um when their teams, their NHL teams are literally practicing right now because every single one of those players could easily say, i need to focus on the NHL season.
01:21:36
Speaker
I need to get back to my team. And like, that's a perfectly acceptable excuse within hockey culture. You know, that's a very admirable thing to do to be like, no, this is a distraction. I want to focus on winning the Stanley cup. That's what most hockey players would be expected to do.
01:21:51
Speaker
Right. If they were invited to some, whatever even Whatever it is, if it's some extra special event while their team is practicing in the middle of a playoff run, you would expect the players to say, no, I'm going to, like,
01:22:07
Speaker
I'm gonna help my NHL team. um So any player who doesn't want to go to the White House has that built-in excuse, and if they don't use it, like they're dead to me. Yeah, it's also like, oh, it's so hard to do when like the women's team literally just did it. like I don't know. like It's just like it's humiliating.
01:22:27
Speaker
Yeah. And also, there are limits, man. like At a certain point, i i would want a player with a backbone so like yeah to decline. Also like, you know, yeah, you already know that there's also going to be Suns fans who are like, wow, like you're really going let politics get it. It's like, bro, Brady Kachuk let his politics get in the way of this. Like I didn't do anything.
01:22:51
Speaker
I know that's so stupid. Like the the politics and sports thing is always like extremely stupid, but yeah, like that's on another level. Yeah.
01:23:02
Speaker
Yeah. That's all we have say. Yeah. Sorry for ending on that note, but man, times are tough.
01:23:14
Speaker
Has not been a fun couple of days for hockey fans. Yeah. Yeah. With that, well we'll come back with more Sens stuff eventually. um So, hope you enjoyed this episode.
Closing Remarks and Future Content
01:23:30
Speaker
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01:23:45
Speaker
And go Sens go. Go Sens go. Bye.