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A Fairy-Tale Ending
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This week Garrett and Chris are chatting moving up in the podcast world, Stan Hansen vs Kobashi, Jimmy Lloyd's hygiene, Kenta's new look, GCW at Pops and more!
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Episode Introduction and Wrestling Events
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, this time only Chris Miggs. Yeah, Garrett, we're, uh, we've been, we've been left alone, um, by Jimmy facts tonight. Um,
00:00:51
Speaker
They released the Appalachian Championship Wrestling schedule for 2023 yesterday. And Fax has spent, honestly, the last 24 hours poring over the dates, considering various other factors. And he's simply just not ready to finish his analysis yet and come out and talk with us. So he'll be back next week, most likely, if he's finished sort of digesting the schedule.
00:01:22
Speaker
I mean, there there's a good amount of Buffalo Wild Wings in there, but I think the one that that kind of kind of want to go to the barn, but I also would absolutely love to go to the county fair to see them. That is tempting as well. It's a very tricky and in the kind of can't do both.
00:01:44
Speaker
you know, they don't kind of overlap, right? So it's like, do we move there and do we spend a whole week there to go to a Buffalo Wild Wings, something called first Friday and then the county fair potentially, potentially first Friday could end up being a religious wrestling thing. It didn't. I did some Googling. It did not appear to be. It just appeared to be a thing that happened on the first Friday of every month.
Wrestlers and Religion
00:02:14
Speaker
So actually, just speaking of like religion and wrestlers, there's a bunch of wrestlers that like,
00:02:20
Speaker
kind of lived debaucherous lives that kind of turned religious down the road, right? Do you think that our indie wrestlers now are gonna eventually all be throwing Bibles at us? I mean, I know Joey Ryan already is, but. I mean, generally not, I feel like not the indie wrestlers. I feel like you've gotta be famous enough that you can do a proper grift off your religion, right? Like Ted DiBiase or, um,
00:02:45
Speaker
Tully Blanchard. So I mean, I think that lines us up for, I don't know, maybe does Sammy Guevara like become a pastor when he like tears up his knee? It's it's gonna be Darby. Oh, you're right. He's like, is my body was tumbling down those concrete steps?
00:03:10
Speaker
With every roll, I just saw the image of our Lord and Savior flashing in my eyes. And he said, the face paint is demonic, Darby. Eat fish on Fridays. I gave myself up to the Lord. And then Sting caught me. And then Sting looked in my eyes and he said, Jesus Christ, Darby, what was that? And he was like, and I was like, yes, you're right.
00:03:40
Speaker
I actually, I do on my shelf right now have a kids book that I found, I think it, I don't remember, is it a thrift store or something? But it is a religious biography of sting, but like crow sting.
00:03:56
Speaker
Uh, first of all, it makes a lot of sense. Sting sting loves Jesus. And I can definitely see him being the side guy to Darby in this like church. They're doing, you know, sting is sort of the elder statesman. Darby's the young cause there's a lot of like father son duo kind of stuff. Again, exactly the same thing here. Um, I'm now here's my thing. Uh, have you read that biography and when are you going to start reading it to Ozzy?
00:04:27
Speaker
Oh man, I mean you can never introduce them to two people too young. Sting in the Lord. I just feel like Maddie's starting to get into chapter books.
00:04:42
Speaker
I'm going to admit something. You know, we've been, we're thinking about schools. She's about to start, you know, public school, but you know, we're thinking about, Hmm, what are the other options in case, who knows how public schools going to go? We don't know. You know, we got to be open-minded and someone was like, you know, the Catholic school in your neighborhood is pretty good. And that's, that's, look, that's not really for me. You know, everyone's got their thing. I probably don't want to send my kid to Catholic school, but if we have to, maybe I can prepare her by reading her a book about sting.
00:05:10
Speaker
You know what, before I read it to Ozzy, I'm gonna send it your way. I'm gonna let you read it to Maddie first. You see how that changes her. Does she have visions? Does she feel something inside that wasn't there before? And then maybe I'll read it to Ozzy. Until then, it's just a novelty on my shelf.
00:05:31
Speaker
I'm actually really curious to see how she combines things. So we've been reading a book to her called unicorn Academy. And she's been coming up with a lot of fantastical stories about how she's going to find the unicorns. I want to see that merge with a religious conception of crow sting. Like is crow sting riding unicorns? Like is she just going to be like, Hey dad, happy birthday. Here's a picture I drew of pro sting on a unicorn.
00:05:58
Speaker
As it was, did
Logan Paul and the Wrestling Scene
00:05:59
Speaker
I mention this? It was my birthday. We mentioned it was my birthday a couple of weeks ago. But that morning, Maddie's like, dad, I have a present for you. I'm like, oh, what's that? She had drawn pictures of Ozzy open and their friend, Jeff Kopp.
00:06:14
Speaker
and their friend, Jeff Cobb. Right. Well, she'd realized they did a lot of six man tag matches. So as I was like, she's like, who's that guy? He's like, well, that's their friend. They work together. They're on the same team. And she's like, okay. So she knows who Jeff Cobb is now as well. That is, that is adorable. And I think they would all like to see that photo. Like Jeff, Jeff Cobb might put it on his fridge.
00:06:41
Speaker
So Jeff Cobb, just like send that my way. Send that my way. Actually, when I send you the sting book, I'll also include for Maddie this little Jeff Cobb micro brawler. Oh, there you go. On the desk next to me.
00:06:59
Speaker
Typically when we do these shows, you know, I have a cold beverage next to me, sometimes a seltzer water, sometimes a beer, sometimes, you know, a white claw. Maybe I make a mixed drink once in a while. But tonight, maybe.
00:07:14
Speaker
I finally grabbed, I did. I went to the grocery store. I am currently holding Logan Paul's drink because you know what? I want to make a YouTube multi-millionaire a little bit richer. But this is the ice pop flavor. How does that make sense? That's interesting. So it's red, white and blue. So I was thinking, what could it be? Ice pop does make sense. Does it taste like an ice pop?
00:07:43
Speaker
Oh, Garrett, if you can't hear that yet, that there's a crack. So we will find out. I don't know if this is going to be the I think this might be the worst flavor, because at the grocery store, a lot of space for Prime all sold out. Interesting. Except.
00:08:00
Speaker
This is the only one of ice pop sold. It was a completely stocked shelf of ice pop. Well, now that's interesting to me because if for those who can't see this, and if you think about the ice pop, the classic ice pop, right? It's the same kind of thing. It's a red, white and blue. It's like the American flag. So does that suggest that the people of Nashville Garrett are not as patriotic as they think? The good ones aren't right now. I don't know if you've heard the news. Nashville isn't super cool these days.
00:08:29
Speaker
We got a lot going on, but you know that being said, I gotta put two bucks in the nearly billionaires bank account. So let's get a taste of this and see what my favorite wrestler's juice tastes like. Oh, that tastes like a bomb pop. That straight up tastes like I'm drinking a melted bomb pop. Is it good though? In like a good way?
00:08:52
Speaker
Um, it doesn't offend the senses. Like I, I think I could drip fitting, uh, drink this whole thing. Like it is, I don't think it would be a go-to flavor. Like if this were a Gatorade, this isn't going to be like, you know, a blue or a yellow. Those are the two I'm always going to grab. I'm never going to grab this again, but I'm going to finish this while we're sitting here. All right. That's a pretty solid recommendation.
00:09:16
Speaker
I mean, if you like a bomb pump, you know what? Support Logan Paul. He needs our money. Because he is going to be the goddamn heavyweight champion of that company, probably by WrestleMania next year. That's it. You know, they're saving Roman losing the title for Logan Paul. It's when he can fully commit and that's when they're going to do it. They're going to just put the title on Logan and he's going to go on like a five year run.
00:09:41
Speaker
Hell yeah. Cause he's got so many followers, more followers than the WWE. It makes sense. And he's just a guy. He's just a guy that likes doing it once or twice a year. You know, when you think about it, Bruno held the title for like nine years. And when you ask,
00:10:00
Speaker
an Italian from New York who grew up in the sixties and you ask him, what do you like? Do you remember wrestling? And they're like, uh-huh. What do you like that? Like, well, we liked Bruno San Martino. They didn't say they liked WWE or the WWF, right? They like, they loved Bruno. Bruno was the draw. So clearly the answer here, you put the belt on Logan Paul, there's gonna be millions of people who are like, do you like wrestling? They're like, is that, is that the, the Logan Paul content that dropped on Sunday?
00:10:32
Speaker
They're not even gonna know what it is. They're not gonna know what WWE is, but they're still gonna pay for it. At this point, that's what's getting me to tune in, is when's that new Logan Paul match gonna happen? And you know what? That Roman Reign, Saudi Arabia one was great. It deserves a part two here in the States where we can go see it. Garrett's unsure if he can make our Appalachian Championship Wrestling trip because he may have to go see Logan Paul, depending on what the, we'll have to work around that, Garrett, right? We'll have to figure out is it not SummerSlam, you know?
00:11:02
Speaker
Don't, I mean, I want to go get a corn dog at the county fair and ride the Tilta world with you. But, you know, I got a, Logan Paul's my Grateful Dead. Maybe that's something you'll understand. You're a dead head. You know, don't you want to follow a YouTuber around the country? Like this is, I mean, if you could follow Mr. Beast around tomorrow and hope that he throws a hundred bucks at you for saying you follow him on the internet, wouldn't you do that?
00:11:32
Speaker
Yeah, well I actually know it's a good point that, you know, I'm thinking about this. The fair, it's midweek and Logan Paul's not wrestling midweek. So I think you're gonna be okay, Garrett. I think you just get yourself to the fair and then that weekend you get yourself to see Logan Paul, wherever that is. Boxing, wrestling, just chilling at a club, whatever, you know. I mean, honestly, even if it was at a trampoline park and I could just go watch him jump really high, I'd be on board for that too.
00:12:00
Speaker
See, and here's the thing, I think now what I realized this week, Garrett, is that I don't know what our ranking is among wrestling podcasts.
Podcasting and Wrestling Personalities
00:12:07
Speaker
I haven't looked. It's probably low. I don't know, but whatever that ranking is, right? Whatever that ranking is, we went up one this week. Cause it looks like Dax is stopping his podcast. Plus he couldn't handle it. Couldn't handle the online criticism, probably. Yeah. Yeah. Just because he has anxiety.
00:12:29
Speaker
No, that's nothing to make fun of. I mean, he's- Is that really what it is? Man, serious anxiety issues, apparently. And the fact that people were, a lot of people hated him for the things he said was really starting to bother him, which honestly makes sense to me. I wouldn't like that if people hated me for those things either. I personally, I think Dak seems like a great guy. I think his co-host who works for Conrad Thompson was trying to stir shit. And, you know, it's what it is.
00:12:58
Speaker
It seemed like there was a natural co-host for him. He is associated with another man, and I feel like the two of them with microphones might have been more fun than them and a guy. I agree. Yeah, you just get them together, get a good editor.
00:13:20
Speaker
I think again, and there was so much like, let's talk about what happened in wrestling last week, as opposed to what I think we all really wanted from this podcast, which was just the two of them doing watch alongs to old tag team matches.
00:13:33
Speaker
Just shooting the shit. That works for me. I didn't need Dax telling me about whether CM Punk wanted to wrestle again or whatever, or how good of friends they are. I don't need that. Not what I needed from my podcasting. What I needed was Dax telling me why Orin and Tully are great.
00:13:54
Speaker
Well, are you worried at all about your anxiety now that we've moved up in the rankings? Because you and I are going to be catching so much more shit on the Internet from from Grimstoyko fans, from those FTR fans that this is trickle down economics. He leaves the rest of the listeners just trickle down our way.
00:14:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's a concern. At some point, Jim Cornette's fans are gonna go after us. I don't even know what for. Well, probably the part where I said that the, I love the Midnight Express, but the Young Bucks are my number two favorite team of all time. That'll get a lot of hate tweets from people who've listened to Jim Cornette.
00:14:45
Speaker
Have you ever listened to his podcast or watched any of the YouTube videos? I've listened to different bits and pieces. I've listened to him do watch-alongs of old matches, and that's pretty good.
00:14:57
Speaker
I've genuinely had a very good time listening to him shit on wrestling I really enjoy. Because, you know, I mean, wrestling's silly anyway. So, you know, it's fun to poke some fun at it here and there, but there's just like certain times he gets so angry at something and or he'll just, he comes up with more creative names than Grim does for the wrestlers and the names get me sometimes. So, I don't know.
00:15:26
Speaker
I don't know, I think Cornette could come on here and we could probably have a good time. I think we would too. I just want, my goal, here's the thing, I don't know, there's two versions of this. One is I open up my copy of the Midnight Express scrapbook and just read passages and just be like, Jim, talk about that. And he just goes for 20 minutes at a time. Or I make a legitimate attempt to get him to admit
00:15:53
Speaker
that the young bucks are descendants of the style of the Midnight Express. And just see if he will accept that into his heart. Maybe not on Mike, but I bet off Mike when we're at a Buffalo Wild Wings, he would... Oh, yeah, exactly. If we get him at the Buffalo Wild Wings, he'd go, ah, that's a good point. I see it.
00:16:16
Speaker
I see both teams, both teams use expansive move sets and moved the concept of what tag team wrestling should be forward. The, the, the midnight express were the perfectors of a certain time period and the young bucks evolved that structure forward. I guess I have to admit that, but wait a minute. No one heard that, right?
00:16:39
Speaker
He sees that you have a wire sticking out of your shirt, tears your shirt off like he's reverse Hulk Hogan in you. Now your shirtless in a Buffalo Wild Wings with wires taped up your chest, he's gonna fucking smack you with a tennis racket. But Sandman comes over, he's like, this guy's here to fucking party. It's like, don't fuck with him, he drove me here.
00:17:10
Speaker
You see, by the way, Sandman's going to be one of the episodes of Dark Side of the Ring this season. I did. OK, I saw that the list came out. Was there any one of the the dark sides that got you excited? It seemed like a lot of ECW. So, yeah, I'm very excited about the topics this season. They're a little bit less dark than some of the other ones they've done. We don't have the Benoit murders, but
00:17:37
Speaker
We got Chris Candido and Tammy Sitch, which should be great. Bam Bam Bigelow, Mike Awesome, The Sandman, right? The Sandman's done a lot of crazy stuff. I'm very excited for the Marty Gennady one, because it does seem like a guy where I feel like we've all heard crazy Marty Gennady stories, but if you just collect them in one place, it's gonna really leave an impression on people.
00:18:04
Speaker
Who do you think they get to tell these stories? Because it seemed like everyone was backing out and doesn't want to step on toes anymore. Who is the wrestler that wants to step on toes or just needs the money? That's the thing. That's the beauty of the fact that Marty works in the late 80s. Like Brian Knobs needs the cash. Brutus Beefcake.
00:18:27
Speaker
ready to
Wrestling History and Iconic Matches
00:18:28
Speaker
go. Ted DiBiase, again, for him, telling Marty Gennary stories, it's like taking money from poor children in Mississippi. Just as easy for him. So I think- He did that in the name of the Lord though, right? Sure.
00:18:53
Speaker
He was already there to talk about next season's dark side of the ring with him. It's it's the dark side of football. It's the episode on Brett Favre and they're just going to do. They're just converging all of the vice things in one.
00:19:14
Speaker
You mean the guy from There's Something About Mary ended up? He's apparently a bad person. I remember that, yeah. Adrian Adonis, too, which is interesting because he's one where, again, I'm curious where they're going with this, obviously, other than his untimely death, which was not his, I mean, wasn't even a drug death. He just, they just hit a moose.
00:19:38
Speaker
You know, I didn't know I didn't know that. Oh, yeah. Yeah, he died because they hit a moose with a card in Canada, in Newfoundland or something. I mean, you could maybe covering the fact that he became a very, very large man towards the end.
00:19:54
Speaker
Like he's, he's diff, like you look at 1982, Adrian Adonis, you look at 1987, Adrian Adonis, it's a stark difference. And then you see 1988, Adrian Adonis, and he kind of looks like he ate 1987, Adrian Adonis, which is impressive. Cause again, 1987, Adrian Adonis was very, very big. So maybe there's a story about that in there somewhere. I don't know.
00:20:15
Speaker
I'm happy that you brought up the size of athletes later in life. Cause today I was listening to a podcast and they were talking about competitive eaters. And most of those guys are so small. Like at what point do they, they hit like, you know, just their NFL 15 years later stride.
00:20:40
Speaker
I bet it's like quick. You know what I mean? I bet like they they're putting their bodies through so much that at a certain point, their metabolism slows down ever so slightly. And they just gain 15 pounds like a freshman in college in like two weeks. As soon as you stop eating 60 hot dogs in a setting, you are going to lose your figure, sir. Has any professional eaters been canceled? Are they the cleanest of the sportsmen?
00:21:10
Speaker
I'm not aware of any being canceled. It's one of those things. Do you care if the guy you're watching shove hot dogs in his mouth as a bad person? I need to know everybody who's eating his politics.
00:21:34
Speaker
Clearly, we know how they feel about animals, and that's not high on my list. I just need to know what policies are you okay with currently? Does it count the same if it's a vegan hot dog? That's maybe a question. I don't know if Nathan's makes vegan hot dogs at this point. Oh, man. Eating like a soy dog. Is 60 soy dogs? How does that sit compared to pig stuff? It's honestly probably more painful, I'm guessing.
00:22:02
Speaker
think that would grow inside of you. That's where. Yeah. Shit. I don't have anywhere else to go from the professional leaders. I was just. Yeah. Dark side. It's coming. We got, it's going to get dark. I'm excited. Maybe we will. I feel like it's the, the topics are so good this season. I feel like we could like watch match. It's all of them are like an individual. It seems like these are the ones that have been announced. Um,
00:22:29
Speaker
So I think it'll be kind of cool, because we could watch a match from those people, maybe talk about them. Yeah, I mean, did any other wrestler's job do an animal? I mean, that snake bit macho man that time. Sure, sure. I think Tracy Smothers lost to a bear many times. That would probably be a good dark side, the wrestling bear, because there's no way that bear was treated well.
00:22:58
Speaker
Oh, no, no, no. And honestly, he treated others too nice. Yeah. He probably had emotional issues and he didn't think highly of himself. If I'm recalling right, the guy who was driving when Adrian Adonis died was the guy who handled the wrestling bear, at least in Canada. Am I getting that right? I think I am.
00:23:28
Speaker
You can tie the wrestling bear to the man who jobbed to the moose. This is. I know, I think they got to the moose together. They judge. I think the moose, the moose defeated them in a in a handicap match. Yeah. Fuck. Well, what is karma? What was karma?
00:23:57
Speaker
Well, for treating the bear poorly, probably. Yeah, probably. Actually, he was. Dave McGigney, he was known as the Bear Man. He is best known for training Terrible Ted the Wrestling Bear, who's the most famous of the wrestling bears. Are there a lot of his matches online? Because I don't think I've seen any. Oh, we can definitely find a wrestling bear match on YouTube.
00:24:22
Speaker
Hell yeah, we'll add that to our King's Road. It's just alternating, it's like Masawa matches and then Wrestling Bear. Kobashi versus Kawata, Wrestling Bear. Yeah, you and I both watched a King's Road match and then that led me to rewatch, what is it, Masawa versus Kawata.
00:24:50
Speaker
Oh, okay. So we launched one of those today too. Yeah. So I'll tell the backstory here. So the other night, um, I wanted to watch some wrestling. My wife was working on some stuff. She was going to put some Buffy on.
00:25:03
Speaker
And, uh, I didn't know what to watch. And I was like, you know what? Much a lot of new wrestling, new wrestling has been kind of weird recently. Um, so I pulled out a VHS tape that a mix tape I'd gotten recently. Uh, I think it's from not Steven Brooks on Instagram. If I hope I got that right. Um, and I, I just popped it in and started watching some matches. And, uh, one of them that I was texting with facts and cared about was the, uh, Stan Hansen.
00:25:33
Speaker
the lariat against, uh, Kenta Kobashi from 1993 in all Japan. And I was like, guys, this, I can't remember if I've ever seen this match before, but this rules.
00:25:47
Speaker
Every time I'm presented with one of those matches, it's like when you're a kid and somebody wants you to watch a black and white movie, at least for me, my brain goes like, but there's so much new wrestling I could be watching. Do I really need to be watching old? The second I hit play on that, and they are clearly just beating the fuck out of each other. Like beating the living fuck of each other. So hard, so hard. And every time I see Kabashi, he just, he has the body.
00:26:17
Speaker
of an action figure and his head just doesn't match to me. He's so beefy and he's just got regular guy head. I don't know. I love the crowd. I mean, people always think like, again, people, maybe this was just a misconception people had in the nineties, but people think like the Japanese crowds is like quiet and it's like, no, no, no.
00:26:38
Speaker
they're loud as shit, when they're excited, when they're actually, I mean, they will not just randomly cheer for anyone, maybe that's why people thought they were quiet, but when they get so loud, and they're so behind Kobashi in this match, as you said, they're chittin' Kobashi, Kobashi. It really sounded like cowboy shit, which fits Stan Hansen so well, and it kind of makes me think that, you know, Hangman's a cop in his gimmick a little bit.
00:27:06
Speaker
I mean, all the Cowboys have copped, I mean, it's all just like one continuum of shit, right? Hanson was copping from like, Cowboy Bob Ellis or something, I don't know. I've watched a lot of Cowboy Bob Ellis matches, but yeah, and I loved, I also loved the intensity of it's great, the finish.
00:27:26
Speaker
So something I'd never seen before. So Kobashi is sitting on the top rope in the turnbuckle. He grabs Hanson's head and like he were ramming it into the turnbuckle, he rams it into his knee, which is a brilliant move. I've never seen that before. I was like, why doesn't anyone do this? How far into the match was that? This is right before the finish.
00:27:50
Speaker
Okay, and also if you do want to watch this, so much of the Kings Road stuff is on YouTube, like full entrances, full match. What was this one from like 94? 93 it said. 93. June 93, I think maybe. Okay. Man, also he did such, like one of the most perfect moonsaults I've ever seen. He's got, Kobashi's got an incredible moonsault.
00:28:19
Speaker
So how much time did Stan Hansen spend in Japan? Was this like a thing he was super into and enjoyed doing? Well, he must. I mean, he did it. I mean, he's a legend there. He's he did it for years and years, like 15, 20 years in Japan. I don't think we're like, yeah, he he was there was talk of like him coming into the WWE at some point, but he's like, you just can't pay me as much as Baba will pay me.
00:28:48
Speaker
So did he he did go to WWF at some point, though, right? I don't think he ever did. He's briefly in the movie. No holds bar. Yeah. He fights. He fights. He fights in a in a bar against Hulk Hogan. But he's now in the WWE Hall of Fame. I remember him getting in there. Yeah, I remember him being on stage. At least this had to have been in the last
00:29:14
Speaker
five, six years, I wanna say. Oh, but they sometimes induct people that aren't, you know, I think they put Brody in at some point. Muda was just in. Right. I mean, he did have a WCW run in like 90, 91, basically that, something like that. Okay. I guess what, when I see these guys wrestling like the Kings Road style, it's just, it's so real.
00:29:42
Speaker
Like it's, it is, it is what I would hope blood sport is. You know, like the, the physicality of it. And I have to imagine that some wrestlers from the States ended up over in Japan, not realizing what they were getting themselves into. Yeah. Oh, it must've happened. Yeah. Like, can you imagine if, I don't know,
00:30:08
Speaker
Ms. I'm trying to think of just like, I mean, I know he doesn't like being called soft on a smack talk or talk smack dog and smack. But I mean. I don't want to get hit with a lance and a handsome lariat.
00:30:24
Speaker
No, I mean, halfway through that match, Kobashi has a, uh, just a black eye and a welt under it. Like they are hitting each other. These are famously Hanson couldn't see very well.
00:30:40
Speaker
Like if you took his glasses off, he was apparently not. So like he's throwing that Lariat and he's like, not exactly sure where it's landing. He's throwing and you just have to find, you just have to hope it lands in the right spot. Based on this match, it rarely does. It really does.
00:31:00
Speaker
It always hits. It hits the person somewhere from the belly button to the forehead somewhere. And he's got a good he's got a good, you know, pitching like a good batter's box going of whether it's a strike or a ball uncle. Yeah, he's he is. Yeah, he is. He is something I just love the the finish. That was great, too. It's like.
00:31:24
Speaker
It's not, it was came out of nowhere, but it was also kind of built to, and it wasn't like a roll up or something, right? It's like right after that knee spot, like Kobashi's on the top rope and Hanson like hits him with a lariat kind of out of nowhere. Cause he built kind of a fever pitch.
00:31:40
Speaker
And he kind of falls on the back. Yeah. Yeah. And he lands and you're like, the crowd goes like, Oh, and, and Hanson covers them. And like, that's, that's the end. And you're like, Oh, that made total sense, but it was kind of the perfect way to deflate a crowd. Cause it it's the lariat. It's known you can end it. And he just kind of hits it from this weird angle and you're like, Oh shit, that's it. You know, in a good, like in a good way. And like, Oh, it was right there. Like we didn't need, cause sometimes I feel like the new, I love.
00:32:10
Speaker
A lot of the all Japan 90 style, right? Is a lot of the new Japan main event style today. Um, I think it's one of the reasons why, like when it's done really well, Meltzer just starts shitting stars at like big new Japan main events. It's, it's like, it's what he likes, right? It's like, he's like, I loved every all Japan big match in the nineties. And now they're going to do this and more. But sometimes the problem with the new Japan thing is they get a little bit too like.
00:32:38
Speaker
It has to end on the finisher done in the middle of the ring. Right. And sometimes, so it's, it's cool to see it kind of tweaked a little bit. And I wish sometimes they would do that a little bit more in new Japan, like tweak the sort of exact how they, exactly how they ended, not that it shouldn't build up, not that there shouldn't be some big moves and some kickouts, but.
00:32:59
Speaker
Let it be a little more of a surprise then. Right. I can't get my brain off of Meltzer shitting stars.
New Directions in Wrestling
00:33:10
Speaker
When you said that, my brain just went to basically him as like a Kirby villain.
00:33:16
Speaker
You know the little pink guy? He faces backwards, but he's holding a little TV watching All Japan. And every time Stan Hansen hits a Lariat, stars just start flying out of his asshole, and Kirby has to float away to dodge them. That's a... Nintendo hit us up.
00:33:40
Speaker
It's a, it should be part of the, they should, they have done the Japanese video games, like the Fire Probe. They should make it part of like the American version of Fire Probe. Like a mini game or something. Yeah, like give a, have a storyline and Meltzer shitting stars as the end boss.
00:34:00
Speaker
It's, and you know, I, I don't know, I make fun of it. I like, I always, I, I agree for the most part, although I used to, I used to have a very basic rule reading Meltzer new Japan reviews is that I would just, for what my mind actually goes to for ratings, I would just subtract one star from every match, except the Tai Chi matches in which I'd add three. Does he, does he straight up hate Tai Chi? He does not seem to like Tai Chi.
00:34:24
Speaker
It's not into it. What in your life do you just love unapologetically where you're going to give it seven stars every time? Where people have to be like. I mean, I struggle to imagine like if you give Omega in the bucks a lot of time,
00:34:52
Speaker
I'm probably gonna like that match quite a bit. You know, I've watched a lot of Young Bucks matches and rarely come away if they've got time and decent opponents feeling anything but like pretty strongly about that match. And I know that's not like a, it's not a super hot take. A lot of people love the Young Bucks, but I will say I understand that I'm a little bit of over that. There's a reason we all like them. You know, they are that good.
00:35:19
Speaker
Exactly. We're lucky to live in a time with them. Last week, though, we did not. You had watched the the title match in New Japan. I don't think facts or I did. And I was not expecting when I saw a photo of who their new champ was. You didn't expect the the champ or what the champ looks like? Either. OK, because Sonata
00:35:47
Speaker
always had a look. I think Derek and I even talked about it at some point. He had a beard that... If a good friend of mine had that beard, I would pull them to the side and say, you shouldn't have that.
00:36:05
Speaker
Like don't do this to yourself. He really did the Brandon Kirk. He shaved his face, cut his hair, and it turns out he's super handsome. He looks like a star now. And I spent years thinking this guy was, I don't want to say a chud, but maybe he was a little bit of a chud. You shave that face? Absolutely that face can beat Okada.
00:36:31
Speaker
Made a couple of uh made a couple of uh sly comments about about watching the rocky movies in a press conference Kept being I like there was like a little subplot in the backstage things Or tai chi kept being like let's go get a beer and sonata was like, let's wait till I fucking win. Okay And chris is in the backseat. I'll get a beer with you
00:36:56
Speaker
And then they, well then he wins and tight. And so I was like, I don't know. Not right now. And tight. He just pours the beer in his head. Um, they've got a weird charming friendship.
00:37:07
Speaker
I changed my mind on the prime ice pop. I would drink this again. As I was sitting here drinking this, there's not a bad aftertaste to it. Logan Paul, if you wanna sponsor this podcast, I'll drink these all day. You could even just throw a couple of these my way and we'll call it even. Yeah, use code predetermined to pay 5% more for your prime. Because you just wanna support Logan Paul that much more.
00:37:35
Speaker
He's got the best buckshot Larry in the game No, I really uh, I like this sonata Like tai chi thing it kind of works They just I like tai chi is the like number two to the champ. He's kind of like good in that role He's like
00:37:53
Speaker
He's the perfect guy to like work the big tag match with the champ, but not be like. Taiji's never going to be the champ, but being the champs, like under boss. I think it's a good role for him. He's just kind of a little bit slimy. It's, it's worse. Do you think that this direction they're headed in makes it more exciting and watchable? I mean, it's certainly a fresh one, right? I mean, I'm not like.
00:38:16
Speaker
Man, Sonata's ready to main event Wrestle Kingdom. But to me, this is the time period where it's like, hey, you gotta go make someone new. And I think Sonata's been elevated, and I'm kinda curious to see what he does in a few main events. I'm kind of assuming he loses the title back to, I don't know, someone else in October or November to set up whatever the Wrestle Kingdom main event is. But I like it.
00:38:45
Speaker
At this point though, for New Japan, what sells a Wrestle Kingdom ticket to people? Well, that's a good question, right? They did the, you know, last year they went with the double main event, which it seemed to sell a lot of tickets, right? I think Kenny, Kenny is a part of it, right? So do you,
00:39:05
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know if Sonata versus Kenny moves the Wrestle Kingdom tickets, which to me means maybe you go back to Sonata, Okada and Kenny for Wrestle Kingdom. I don't know. That's just it. And once again, I don't even know if that needs a belt unless they do it for Kenny's North American belt.
00:39:25
Speaker
Well, but I guess the thing there would be that you make it for the belt so that it's the main event and you don't overshadow the main event. Or though maybe the option is if you go back to two nights, you do like.
00:39:38
Speaker
Sonata versus, I don't know, Will Ospreay or Naito in one of the matches, and then Okada versus Kenny Naito or something. You know, something like that could be interesting. But yeah, I dig the thing. I like they have like a handshake thing where they touch thumbs, they do a thumbs up thing and they sort of touch them. Like a Hey Arnold, like Arnold and Gerald do the, like this? It's not like a thumb wrestle, they just kind of touch them.
00:40:07
Speaker
I think, yeah, they like kind of pounded and then like rubbed thumbs a little bit. It's not like a rub, it's just a touch. It's just like a touch of the thumbs up. It's like, Garrett, shut the fuck up. It's gentle. It's gentle and manly. It's not a thing from a children's show because they don't rub the thumbs, Garrett. It's a slightly different thing. It's a very slightly different thing. Is it an indication that Tai Chi watches old Nickelodeon shows in his downtime? Maybe.
00:40:37
Speaker
Maybe. Did again, did my daughter do that thumbs thing to to my wife and have my wife. And he was like, did she came up with like a thing? And I'm like, I don't think she came up with that. So she been watching New Japan like Sonata and Taiji like bowing around. She watched. She's watched one or two of those matches. It was right after. So on Sakura Genesis, I mean, that match was right after
00:41:08
Speaker
the tag title match, which she watched. Which was great, by the way. If anyone hasn't seen the Aussie Open versus Bishamon tag team title match from Sakura Genesis, that was really, really good. And the crowd at the end, just chanting for the Australians.
00:41:26
Speaker
They were like, it was a, you know, again, maybe CM Punk doesn't want to watch Rocky, but if he watches this, he would understand Rocky IV in which it's the Japanese crowd starts chanting for the Australians against the Japanese guy.
Speculation on Wrestlers' Future Endeavors
00:41:42
Speaker
And of course, you know, Aussie open ended communism at the end of the match. What movie do you think CM Punk's willing to watch before he wrestles again? Clerks.
00:42:01
Speaker
And that doesn't help Jon Moxley at all. Jon Moxley, these guys seem lame. No one even bleeds. I like when that guy dies in the bathroom though. Speaking of movies, I don't know if you saw anything this week about Cody Rhodes.
00:42:22
Speaker
So there's some rumors that maybe Cody doesn't want to wrestle so much anymore, and he's already taken a couple meetings in Hollywood. One of the roles really made me laugh. So we know one of the roles that he's taken a meeting for was Mortal Kombat 2, obviously to play the role that The Miz has been begging for for two years now. And they're great friends, and he's just willing to screw him over.
00:42:50
Speaker
That sucks. The Miz deserves that role. I think, oh man, but Cody would get it over him in a heartbeat. The other is, apparently there's going to be a Legend of Zelda movie. He has talked to producers about possibly doing a role in that. And I want to see him in the tights. I want to see him in those little hats. I want to see him with the fake ears. Would he play Link?
00:43:18
Speaker
With that big ass neck tattoo? No, no, I don't know. Maybe. What are the other role? What are the other major roles in a Legend of Zelda movie? Probably an orc. OK, I don't know. Like I've other than Zelda. Which obvious man, I don't know. Facts is going to listen to this at some point, and he's going to be like screaming through his his headset like, come on, Chris, don't you know about the Zelda six? I'm like, no, I'm sorry, facts. I know.
00:43:48
Speaker
There is a new Zelda game coming out, but this is where our new mean listeners send us messages that hurt our feelings. Yes, yes. But once again, we moved up that one spot and now people are looking for something to do. We're here to fill time. We're here to fill time. You know, Dax was taking up two hours a week. You know, he did. They did a tequila of the week. So I think the answer is that we do
00:44:18
Speaker
a prime of the week. And we just review the prime. You know, how is how is the mouth feel on that bomb pop prime? It was really good. I think what ended up selling me on it first, I was like, this is going to leave an aftertaste that is going to bother me after a while. No aftertaste. This was honestly, if it were a hot day and I drank this hydration drink,
00:44:46
Speaker
which it says at the bottom, does not dehydrate. It hydrates. I would have been satisfied. Is there any colors from other countries I can try next, or do I always have to do America? I think you go different ones. I thought the other bottles were solid colors, but if they put a prime drink in the Italian flag, I'd buy a case. What's the flavor of that? This is marinara.
00:45:19
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Of course, Garrett. I mean, no, was that offensive? I'm sorry. No, it's Garrett. I'm not offended. I'm not offended by people recognizing the things that my people love, which are which is red sauce. We really like red sauce as a people. What is John Moxley? Right. Exactly. He's a maybe he's an Italian when he's just he just I like the red.
00:45:46
Speaker
It reminds me of the old country. No, I actually think the Italian flag one, you would just do an Italian ice and go like lemon flavored. Ooh, yeah, yeah. Lemon ice flavored. You know what, next week I'll review a new one, unless this is the only thing available, then two bucks on another prime. Yeah, because I mean, Dax would break down that tequila every week. He would talk about like, are you tasting the agave?
00:46:15
Speaker
or is it peppery? So I really wanna hear from you, Garrett, about the details of the Prime. Did Dax ever break down Terra Mana? I'm not sure. Or is it too risky to... That's actually why he canceled the podcast. He gave a mediocre review to Terra Mana and the Rock was like, it is over.
00:46:41
Speaker
He bought the podcast and it's now an XFL post show. Mac who knows what podcasts are. You have to tease like he's going to buy ours soon because facts and I were shitting on him too much. The other day is like, you know what you're going to be now? You're the post show for the walking dead. I don't think that's on anymore.
00:47:13
Speaker
Look, if the rock wants to pay me to do an XFL podcast, I mean, I could, I guess, I don't know. It's just football, right? Yeah. It's football with a little different rules that make the game run smoother. Yeah. We could, we could discuss that. How do you feel about the rule changes Garrett? Do you think they stayed true to the, do they, do they evolve football the way the young bucks have evolved tag team wrestling? My dad thinks they have.
00:47:43
Speaker
Oh, that's good. Is he doing well? Yeah. Um, I mean, for a while they were, they were number two for a long time, but then, um, I know I think that last week they lost a game that would have clinched them a playoff spot, which when there's only eight teams, what does a playoff look like? I think there's maybe four teams. I don't know.
00:48:06
Speaker
I mean, do we go to the first whatever the Super Bowl is? Who's the halftime show? A game's only like two hours. Like, what, what are they going to do? What's this? And you know what? You could get probably, I bet we could sit on the fucking, the field. You'll probably tape up the players. I don't know if it's St. Louis, the St. Louis, the people of St. Louis love their XFL team. Oh, absolutely. These are like 30, 40,000 tickets to that shit.
00:48:34
Speaker
Yeah, I think the first game they sold like 38 and they've consistently sold 35 to the rest and everyone else is like hopefully selling a couple thousand seats. So a hundred percent the the main like whatever the big game is that's going to be in St. Louis. There's no way it's not. Right. Which means that you're going to have to have proper St. Louis music for the halftime show, which is
00:49:01
Speaker
Nelly, I guess, right? I mean, is there anyone else? This is Nelly. Let's see. Slater, she has a pretty good song called Daddy as Fuck, I think would be a good halftime show. Sammy Hagar is an actual anthem. See, they should change that. Like Vince McMahon, pick a different America song.
00:49:27
Speaker
Uh, it's called America as fuck now. And she's going to sing that. And, uh, Sammy Hagar, he's St. Louis too. Uh, he's not from there, but he really likes it for some reason. Okay. He's always super into that. Maybe we'll have him sing a song for the champions, right? It's like, sing some old like Van Halen song or.
00:49:48
Speaker
I don't know if he's allowed to do that. I think you gotta hear some of his solo work. Oh, dear. What are the Sammy Hagar solo songs? What could he sing to the champions of the XFL? If I type in Sammy Hagar right now into Apple Music, what is the number one Sammy Hagar song? They all appear to be Van Halen songs. So I think you'd have to...
00:50:14
Speaker
Is I Can't Drive 55, Van Halen? No, I don't think that is, so yeah, that's what it is. He would say I Can't Drive 55. And it's gonna bring the Super Bowl halftime show back to its roots of having the who's who of classic rock entertain millionaires. It's gonna be perfect. It's gonna be perfect.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, I yeah, we'll go to St. Louis. Maybe I don't know. When is the, when is the championship game? Can we drive from there to West Virginia? Is that a thing we could do? I don't think it's a, it's not a short drive, but you know what? I think we'd have fun on a road trip. We load some that Sammy Hagar essentials playlist up and, uh, are you going to, I'm curious though. Like, are you like talking to your dad about the XFL? Are you like developing a deep bond over the fact that pro football is returned to St. Louis in the form of the battle Hawks?
00:51:13
Speaker
I mean, I have a hat, um, that's still from last season that got canceled. Uh, he seems to be really enjoying it. I watched the first game, but I do. I mean, I still follow him on Instagram. So I see the score in the highlights. That being said, you know, if somebody said, do you want to drive to St. Louis and see the XFL championship, the first one. Yeah.
00:51:34
Speaker
Hell yeah, I'll go sit with 35,000 crazy Battlehawk fans. The Rock will probably be there. He has to be there for the championship. Yeah. Yeah. He's going to call you out specifically. He's going to be like, thank you, St. Louis. Except for Garrett.
00:51:56
Speaker
Never gonna make Hobbs and Shaw, too. Suck my ass. Tear him out of tequila, everybody. I see you up in 212, Garrett. I see you. You said you could afford field seats, yet I see you up in the nose, please. I was just making a responsible fiscal decision.
00:52:21
Speaker
Speaking of St. Louis, we watched some GCW from Pops this weekend. Strong, strong transition there. Yeah, we watched. How was the end of the show? Because I tapped after Masha versus Cole Radrick. Was there any excitement towards the end there, Garrett?
00:52:38
Speaker
So they, uh, it seemed like the crowd was pretty dead by the main event, but the main event from the tornado, right? Surprisingly full for a place that had a tornado warning. Like if you, would you go to a pro wrestling during a bad storm? I think I have at some point probably. I mean, it depends on legitimately, it depends on the show.
00:53:06
Speaker
Depends on the card. And depends on how bad the storm is. You know what I mean? Like, is the show at the Melrose Ballroom and it's like the train's not going to get ripped open? I'll go. Whatever. It'd be fine. Is it just going to snow or something? It's like, oh, it's going to be a foot of snow. And it's like, whatever. I'll take a train to the Melrose Ballroom in the snow. It would be great. Would Helen Hunt's dad survive this storm is what I need to know. Right.
00:53:35
Speaker
So the main event, I didn't even think about
GCW and ICW Wrestling Events
00:53:38
Speaker
this. So it was the Rejects back together for the first time in a long time. We had seen Murdoch on the show, but we hadn't seen, uh, read by God Bentley on the show. And the last time I remember seeing the Rejects wrestle in GCW was maybe 2017. That very first show Derek and I went to, they were the tag team champs. They lost the belts to Mecisos.
00:54:07
Speaker
Masisos went back to Mexico and never came back to GCW. And the Rejects got mad at GCW for the way that they basically treated them as former tag team champs and left and went to ICW.
00:54:26
Speaker
And I think this is the first time we've seen Masisos and them clash since that show. And like I said, beginning of the match, the crowd was kind of dead. There was not a lot of sound. By the end, they had that place on their feet. Like the crowd was going nuts.
00:54:44
Speaker
But they also did a proper death match. They had a bunch of light tubes. The crowd was sitting very close and there were children in the front row. So it seemed like they had to manage that a little bit. Why are people taking children to GCW shows at like bars?
00:55:02
Speaker
Come on guys. I think up until this show, they hadn't really, I think they broke a pane of glass at one of the shows, but I don't think they'd been swinging light tubes in the last three. I think this is the first time they, and they, I don't know, it was pretty good.
00:55:18
Speaker
Rejects went over, which got them Indiana the next night they had a title shot. And I thought, oh, the Rejects would actually let them get their titles back from all those years ago, where they kind of got screwed out of the titles. That is not the case. Jordan Oliver still has a title in GCW, folks. Gotcha. Okay, that's disappointing.
00:55:40
Speaker
Um, how was the lucha Matt? That was cause the Jordan Oliver lucha match, right? Was that okay? Oh yeah. That was the one that somebody missed a flight or something. And they had to curries maybe two people out. Um, it was fine. I didn't, I, I didn't, I kind of skipped through it to the, the main one, to be honest. Um, I think the best match on that show, other than the main event was entertaining. I think it was probably more of a, it would be really exciting for that match if you were in the room.
00:56:11
Speaker
because they did a really good kind of brawl around the room and bled all over the place. I really liked that Masha Cole match. Yeah, I thought they had a pretty fun match. I think, again, they're taking some time to build Masha up and give her some title defenses. We were talking about the evolution of GCW going from the paid shows to Fight Plus.
00:56:41
Speaker
And I'll say this, it's like, would I have paid $14 for a show where the main event was Masha versus Blake Christian? Not sure if that was the main draw. Am I ready to see that on Fight Plus? You bet. Yeah, I'm ready to see that. I wanna see your choke out that smarmy little bastard. You know? For sure. God damn it. Sorry, I have a cat.
00:57:09
Speaker
You probably could hear her meowing for the last little bit as she was trying to get my attention. Well at least look at Chris and the camera. This is Caddy, everyone. You might be able to hear her purring into the microphone even. But no, I don't know. I'm kind of, I'm sold on Masha right now. I gotta look at Chris, he can't see me.
00:57:35
Speaker
I am into Masha right now. I'm excited to see what they do with her. That being said, this weekend in Orlando, Masha versus Sawyer Rec for the title. And that should be, I would imagine those two would have a proper death match. And it's Florida's. There's no way anyone cares. Yeah, no, you can do anything as long as it, uh,
00:58:03
Speaker
Long as it ain't gay. That's what I understand about Florida. It's tough. In Florida, they got real men. They can tolerate the things that are gay.
00:58:20
Speaker
They've got real men that would huff the nitrous out of one of those keyboard cleaners and then go punch an alligator in the face. I think that show does seem fun. I think also on that show is Blake Christian versus Zane. They haven't had a match in a while. And the matches they had when they first came onto the scene were really, really good.
00:58:48
Speaker
So I'm kind of excited to see that. But then also the day before they've got the one in Atlanta where we get Commander versus Viking 02. Are you going to Atlanta? My parents will be in town. Oh. Well, at the very least, you get to watch an XFL game live with your dad. And and he'll be awake because you know what? They do that for somebody who doesn't want to stay up late. They're usually in an afternoon on a weekend. Nice.
00:59:17
Speaker
You take a couch snap mid-game. This is sounding exciting. Don't miss it. Those things are two hours long. They're so quick. Yeah, the Atlanta show, Blake Christians wrestling Mike Jackson. Which seems to be like, how do we get our current heel over? Have them beat up Mike Jackson in Atlanta. They did the same thing with Cardona a year or two ago.
00:59:43
Speaker
It's, I mean, he also, he also loves Jesus. I think I told you, right? I bought a DVD from him. No, this is before we started the podcast. I bought a DVD from him, um, at the Melrose ballroom show last June, because I was really, I just was really enjoying the Mike Jackson and he signed it with Bible scripture. Oh yeah. I got that somewhere. The last, I mean, I guess the last time I saw him live was in Atlanta, but before that was it, uh, Toloma at the, one of the wombat shows.
01:00:12
Speaker
And after the show goes to intermission, he grabs a mic and basically he's like, I found a box of stuff in my basement and I'll auction it off to the highest bidder. And somebody's like five bucks and he's like sold. So that DVD, there was probably six or seven of them in that box. Oh, for sure. There is. Yeah. Well, the Atlanta show, Cardona and de Lander against the Macy's house. Yeah.
01:00:42
Speaker
It's a pretty stacked show. Yeah. Bailey against, uh, Zane. Yeah. I, I'm a little sad to be missing that one. I really thought I was going to be able to make it. I hope that I don't know. I don't think there's any way Vikingo commander, uh, tops ring of honor. I don't think a Friday night in Atlanta is bigger than doing a Tony con owned pay-per-view.
01:01:11
Speaker
I agree, although in Atlanta, they do love the lucha. So maybe that'll bring a fun crowd for it. So last week too, just talking about GCW, we talked about how Gage looked in your cameo. Yes, we should address this. The very next day, like maybe even right, maybe minutes after this episode was released, that episode was released, Gage posts a picture with his brand new teeth and a puppy named Jelly.
01:01:43
Speaker
I mean, look, we said, look, we don't know. Are they paying in dental work? And apparently the answer was absolutely dead on. And cause his teeth and his legacy, his teeth look amazing. Beautiful smile. The dog was very, very cute. It was the most wholesome picture of the week.
01:02:02
Speaker
They absolutely changed his face. And he, I don't know if I've ever seen Nick Gage look more happy. Like he looked, he was just so, he looked joyful. That smile, like, I don't know. It's kind of like how when you cut Sonata's beard off, the fuckability of the man raised drastically. Same with Gage. You put the teeth in there and it just like, but I think it lifted his spirits in a way that came through in that photograph where
01:02:33
Speaker
I don't know, I think after he has those for a few weeks, he's like, maybe I don't need to bleed. Maybe he finds real love. He has a long time girlfriend. Oh, okay. We found that out in the Dark Side documentary. I don't know, we hadn't seen her around. I don't know what's going on with him. Well, I don't think she comes to all the shows. Oh, okay.
01:02:57
Speaker
Gage did say something really funny in the Indiana show. He was on commentary for both shows this weekend. And the night two, there was a tag team of Shane Mercer and Jimmy Lloyd. And Gage on commentary goes, I don't know if this is true, but I heard a rumor that Mercer told Jimmy Lloyd he's gonna have to take a shower if he's gonna tag with him.
01:03:26
Speaker
I'm just imagining Mercer just being like, go Jimmy. And just like throwing him in the shower with his clothes on. He's like fine. And he starts to head. He's like, no, take this. He's like, what is this? It's a washcloth, Jimmy. Wash your ass. Shane Mercer is just reciting the old Andy Kaufman bit about soap.
01:03:52
Speaker
he's just replacing people of Memphis with Jimmy Lloyd each time. And after he said that it in my mind, it checks out, but also Shane Mercer does always look pretty clean. Oh yeah. Like his, his ring gear looks like he did the courtesy of washing it. Uh, Jimmy Lloyd, I mean, he probably steals his shirt from the merch stand every week. So, you know, that does look,
01:04:21
Speaker
Pretty clean. Those shorts have never been washed. Those are like a high school boys gym clothes that just live in a locker for an entire semester. Yes. Yes. Meanwhile, Shane Mercer is wearing like scented baby oil. Oh, like he, cause he's always like he's oiled up. He smells like peppermint. That man. Damn. He does. He smells sweet. I like that. Yeah.
01:04:52
Speaker
Yeah, Jimmy does not smell speed. No. Jimmy smells like Marlboro's. Well, if you think that a menthol is sweet. He switches to menthols when he's teeming with Mercer. When he's trying to impress, yeah. I'm doing it for you, Shane. He considers a menthol like brushing his teeth. That's like using mouthwash.
01:05:22
Speaker
So I did watch one other match and I'm surprised I got to. This is the third week in a row I've been trying to watch this Hoodfoot Brandon Kirk championship match at ICW. IndependentWrestling.tv has been absolute dog shit lately.
01:05:45
Speaker
Like I couldn't get it to work online. I couldn't get it to work on my phone. I couldn't get it to work on Apple TVs. It was just spinning circles for three weeks. Today, it finally worked. And this match, Brandon Kirk
01:06:00
Speaker
comes out and he's dressed like a pirate cult leader. It's all white and clearly he's heel again. Hoodfoot comes out in an ECW poncho, which I think was an ECW maybe hockey jersey that he had cut the sides out of.
01:06:19
Speaker
Uh, to make it fit him a little better. And I mean, you know, standard death match for quite a while, like just a lot of broken glass gusset plates, like pretty violent ICW title match. The crowd very behind hood foot chanting new champ whole show. And all I'm thinking is like.
01:06:37
Speaker
Brandon Kurt is going over in this, but they had set up some, I don't know. It wasn't like a normal, you know, normally if they're going to have like a structure, it's usually just two chairs holding up a pane of glass and then like chairs stacked on top of that glass with other shit. This, they had some sort of metal table frame.
01:07:00
Speaker
And Hoodfoot went through so much glass and crashed through this awful metal frame. It looked like it was made of like the poles that a stop sign is hooked to. Like everything about it looked ungodly painful. And to end the match, Casey Kirk comes out with a knife.
01:07:23
Speaker
And Brandon Kirk's got Hoodfoot in like a hold. And Casey Kirk goes to hand him the knife. But then that masked man that we talked about months ago came out and stopped her. So I guess he's a good guy now. They're not together. The Kirk's are back together. He drags her to the back. Then Hoodfoot and Brandon Kirk wrestle over a knife.
01:07:46
Speaker
Which is scary. There should be fewer knives in wrestling a lot of the time. I agree. Or at least less activity around the knife. But eventually he gets on top of Hoodfoot, gets a hold of the knife, and puts it to his throat.
01:08:04
Speaker
And the referee stops the match because he doesn't want to see Hood Foote get killed. And that's the end. And then the owner of the company comes out and says, no, no, no, no, no. That's not how we end matches in ICW. I'm like, well, you're gonna fucking let him slit his throat? Like, what does that mean?
01:08:25
Speaker
but I guess there had been a feud between the referee and Brandon Kirk at some point, so when they ring the bell to restart it, the referee has a pile of tubes, smashes him in Brandon Kirk's face, and Hoodfoot wins. He's the new ICW champion. Okay. Let's try to process this. Good for Hoodfoot.
01:08:51
Speaker
Um, he, he, people seem to like hood foot. I enjoy his work when I've seen it. Um, great for him. He's the champ. Um, I admit, I don't like seeing attempted murders. Um, I would, you know, I would shift this a little bit because I would think an attempted murder should be a disqualification. Which would end the match admittedly. And he would still hold the title, right? Correct. Correct. Hood foot would get the winner share of the purse.
01:09:21
Speaker
But I would think that attempted murder should be a disqualification in the wrestling that I, as I understand it here. I mean, that's interesting. Is this like, I don't know, I just, is that like the regular vibe for ICW, is attempted murder?
01:09:46
Speaker
Kinda. I mean, ICW is certainly filthier than GCW. There's an aesthetic to it that this smells like Jimmy Lloyd's pants. It is wrestling that has the same vibe as Jimmy Lloyd's pants. It is Mitten's favorite, even more so than GCW. And you said Jimmy Lloyd had a pack of maybe
01:10:16
Speaker
menthol marboros. GCW, or ICW would be more like camel crushes. Like, you know, a little cheaper, maybe even like, I don't know, what, like palmalls? I'm trying to think of like, it's whatever your older aunt smokes. If you have an older aunt that smokes, that is this. Mixed with like dousing yourself in vape pen juice.
01:10:45
Speaker
I will say about Mittens, I know Mittens really loves his, every time you see him out now, he's wearing an ICW shirt. When we went to the MLW show last week, Mike looked over, he's like, oh my God, look over there. And there was Mittens. And he was like, you know, until I started listening to the podcast, I had been seeing Mittens, but not seeing Mittens. And now I see Mittens everywhere. So.
01:11:14
Speaker
You're welcome, Mike. I love that. I think a lot of people are that way now. Like, I think once you are aware of him, he's impossible to miss. He is. He is. And he's such a perfect. I think we've got to talk about this in the show last week. So at that MLW show, Sam Adonis does a lot of AAA stuff. He's an MLW now.
01:11:36
Speaker
And he was trying to do the cheap heat. He's like, ah, the New York women are ugly and the New York people are stupid and people are whatever. And he points at mittens and he's like, you, you should shave those pubes you call a beard. And everyone was like, yeah. Just heroic levels of love for Sam Adonis at that point. I mean, he just could not.
01:12:01
Speaker
Willie Mack comes out and people are like, I mean, we like you Willie Mack, but this guy just told Mittens to shave his pubes. I mean, this is, this is our hero now. If the rest of the night, every heel and baby face did something to Mittens and just like, it's a night of all baby faces.
01:12:22
Speaker
They're not smart enough. Sam Adonis understand, he understands psychology, you know, respect. I literally legitimately, I like as he, right after he did that, I was when I'm pro wrestling tease and I was like, does Sam Adonis have a store? Can I give this man $5 for the entertainment? Does Mittens have a pro wrestling tease store? God, I hope not. It feels like Mittens would have a shirt.
01:12:47
Speaker
He's the owner of ICW's like, I don't know if we discussed this term. I think I discussed it with Matt and Lowell, but I don't think you were there yet. My wife has a term for somebody's manager. I was trying to describe who Don Callis was the weekend he got, or the day he got busted open. And I was like, you know, he's kind of like his Paul Heyman. And she goes, Oh, so he's his little guy.
01:13:19
Speaker
Great term. So no managers in wrestling for my wife. It's there's the wrestler and then the wrestler's little guy that comes with them to the ring. So Mittens is the little guy of Danny. I don't remember Danny's last name, Danny DeManto. So little guy's got to have a shirt. Are you looking up a mitten shirt right now? I you know, I was just checking pro wrestling teams and there doesn't appear to be one on there.
01:13:47
Speaker
Um, maybe we talked about like how far back I, and I guess, but by I, I mean like all of us go back with like Danny D'Amato. Like he legitimately, when he was, when, when Jack Sabbath was running the, sorry, was starting out the original ICW, Danny was like starting out and Danny would like, like ran Jack's like mall wrestling video kiosk at the queen center mall. So I've like bought tapes.
01:14:16
Speaker
from Danny D'Amato, um, back before he got in shape. Good experience as a seller. He was perfectly fine selling me wrestling video tapes in the mall. In that same mall, this is, this was how popular wrestling was in like, like 2000. There were two wrestling video kiosks in that mall. The other one was the RF video one. And I worked there for one day.
01:14:43
Speaker
The owner, the owner, not the owner, the woman who was managing it didn't, didn't like me for a big tryout thing and she didn't like me and didn't hire me. And retrospectively, incredible luck. Incredible luck. You seem like at that time you would have been the perfect fit to sell tapes at a kiosk in the mall.
01:15:05
Speaker
I just wasn't fit for retail. I wasn't snappy to things. It just wasn't me. And I, as a result, never worked for a pedophile. So that's pretty cool. Good for me. And I got to know the guys who did work there, and they gave me the employee discount, which is all I really needed.
01:15:34
Speaker
That is what you were in for. And who knows? Didn't have a lot of money, but I got 20% off my wrestling VHS tapes. I just wasn't expecting the story to have a fairy tale ending. Susie, we should go back. We should watch like a 2001 Danny DeManto match on IW TV. I feel like you just you should see
01:16:02
Speaker
Like as a, as a 40, whatever he probably he's going to be in their slowly 40s at this point. He's still doing death matches, doing death matches and just so much better shape than he was as like a 20 year old. It's incredible. He's just like abandoned that, like that young Danny for good. It seems.
01:16:19
Speaker
I mean, you know, when I went to an ICW show, he worked the table as you came in, like checked your name off the list. And he was a perfectly sweet man to, to tag it. I, when we went and I told him, Hey, I like your show. And he's like, Hey, thanks man. Me too. Here's, here's, I have a question now about, um, the advancement of the predetermined brand. Yeah.
01:16:48
Speaker
So, Hoodfoot now, ICW champion. Famous rival of Hoodfoot, Hardway Heater. Is it time for Hardway Heater to get an ICW title match? I'm just saying. Danny, I bought at least two volumes of the best of low-key from you in 2000.
01:17:17
Speaker
So I think that, I think I get a little bit of a say and I say, I say heater, heater gets a title match. I mean, I know that just moments ago I said that your ring looks like it smells like a generic jewel pod, but that doesn't mean I enjoy the product any less.
01:17:36
Speaker
Give the man. I think you were playing the ring. I thought you were saying it was like the fan, the crowd. I mean, that's that's just oh, I think. Yeah, you're right. I meant the whole aesthetic, just the ring, the every everything's Jimmy Lloyd's pants over there. I think Danny, don't pay attention to what I just said. Give heater a title shot. We love heater. I was going to say we love ICW. Don't don't pay attention to the part of the podcast that was obviously just cut out before, before Garrett said that last sentence.
01:18:08
Speaker
You know, we, hmm. All right, guys. Well, should end it on fairy tale ending. But I know heater's a good place to end it on. You give heater the title shot and maybe heater is the ICW champion.
01:18:23
Speaker
And maybe I could be his mitten someday. I could be his little guy. You could be his little guy. I think that would work, Eric. I think I think that you come out and you're you're podcasting along to heaters matches. Right. Just doing doing ad reads in the middle.
01:18:46
Speaker
Fleshlight. What I'm worried about, though, is that my job at ICW is I have to start as ring crew, like sweeping up the glass, and that Mittens is my supervisor. And he's like, oh, yeah, you've been talking a lot of shit all these years. And he's like, sweep better, fatty. I'm like, god damn it, Mittens. You're saying really hurtful stuff here, man. But I think a bond would form with you, Mittens, real quick at that point.
01:19:15
Speaker
the guy introduced me to his mom.
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01:19:17
Speaker
You know, like I feel like we're already on pretty good terms. I think this is going to be beautiful. ICW comes to Chattanooga. Let's, uh, let's get heat or a title shot. Mittens is flying down for sure. Let's get Garrett ringside. Um, I think it's going to be, I think it's going to be a classic.
01:19:40
Speaker
I'll watch it at IWTV for sure, that I promise. Again, I would, I'd travel for it, but again, we're gonna have to go to a county fair. So, I'm not sure I can. There's, basically Chris and I will travel as long as there's a Ferris wheel and a funnel cake.
01:19:57
Speaker
But yeah, all right, everybody. Next week, probably talking about GCW. Probably gonna be talking more Kings Road because you know what? That just, that scratched an itch for me. I wasn't expecting to have. So I'm definitely gonna check out more of that. And we did have a listener right into us that wanted us to check out and do a watch along to the Royal Rumble 1989.
01:20:25
Speaker
I think we're going to do it. We're going to, we're going to combine our normal show, I think with us watching the Royal Rumble match from 1989. Uh, cause why not? You know, yeah, we all, everybody can watch that. Everybody has access to that. We can throw that on in the background and, uh, you know, watch doink. I don't think doing send that one.
01:20:48
Speaker
Damn it. God damn it. Probably Hulk Hogan though, right? Yeah, that's a good one. Yeah. Yeah. The Hulksters there. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening at pre-determined podcast on Instagram. I am at Gartet at Chris Miggs at Jimmy facts, AKA Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. Uh, rate review subscribe. Thanks for listening. Uh, we'll be back next week and our goddamn music.