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Episode 58: Don't You Worry, I've Seen Every Episode Of Zack Ryder's Toy Show
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Come hangout as Garrett & Derrick discuss this weird, weird week in wrestling. We're chatting how to articulate your insecurities, why Brock Lesnar should go back to NXT, is Vince Vaughn happy with his recent acting roles and of course, Zack Ryder's toy show!
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Transcript
Introduction and Opening Jokes
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to episode 58 of Predetermined to Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, a man who is responsible for me not being able to read in public as well as I would like, Derek Halpin. What did I do this time?
Garrett's Reading Anecdotes
00:00:16
Speaker
Nah, just, uh, I don't know if you remember this. I, in grade school, I was kind of a nervous reader. You know, they would go down the line and have everybody read their, read part of a textbook out loud.
00:00:41
Speaker
Cause you got called on? Yes, cause you knew that I was gonna fuck up reading something, sound nervous, and it was gonna bring you joy. So all I did was look delighted and that fucked you up? Well that and at one point you actually said to me, God I always feel so good when you get called on.
00:00:53
Speaker
Yeah, everybody has to go through that.
00:01:03
Speaker
That sounds like something I would say. It is. I'm sorry for fucking you up, but.
New Job and Working with Family
00:01:08
Speaker
Well, I started a new job this week and now I'm in a training and it's just me and the HR person. And there's so many lines from a textbook. We are basically going through different manuals and stuff and taking turns reading. And every time it's my turn, I think of you, buddy.
00:01:26
Speaker
I'm so delighted and I wish I could be there. I'll let you know it's gotten better. I'm not as bad as I used to be. I haven't heard you read out loud in a long time. Well, I mean, we talk to each other every week, but that's different. Yeah, I don't write down my thoughts that I have to convey to you. I just go for it. So as the way we're going to tie this into wrestling stage fright, Lars Sullivan-esque stage fright?
00:01:54
Speaker
Is that what we're getting at here? I am not making fun of Lars Sullivan for that. I'm not either. I'm asking you, how are we tying your inability to read under pressure into the beginning of a podcast about professional wrestling? Oh, I didn't know I was supposed to. I thought we just started each episode off with some bullshit. And then eventually one of us says, have a goddamn music.
00:02:51
Speaker
But yeah, I started a new job and I am currently, I actually work with my wife now. How's that? I am fine with it. She is fine with it. It's just funny talking to everybody about it because everybody really has this vibe of like, oh man, I would hate to work with my wife. It's like, well, that sounds like you have a sad relationship.
00:03:15
Speaker
You're not going to get sick of each other over the long term? I don't think so. I mean, we've lived in a one bedroom apartment as long as we had. And, you know, we were in constant close quarters. I think we're going to be fine. You know, we're like eight years into this or something. I guess it depends on how much you talk about pro wrestling at your job before she gets fed up with you. I haven't found anyone yet who's planning on listening to me talk about pro wrestling.
00:03:39
Speaker
That's probably a dream scenario for her. The worst thing is at my other job, you know, I didn't have a whole lot to do or I did and just wasn't, but I had all day to just look at wrestling and internet. And now I'm not going to be able to do that. And, you know, I'm going to have to adjust to not being able to just chat with everyone on Twitter about wrestling all day.
00:04:02
Speaker
So when you come home from work, you're actually gonna have to do homework. I know, I was able, I had a job that paid me to sit there and do my podcast. And why'd you leave? Money. Don't worry, that's why Brock left too.
00:04:25
Speaker
I hope that Brock Lesnar would be willing to work at the place I was before my new job, if the money was right, where he seems like, wait, what do I have to do? I'll do anything. You mean I'm going to be on here selling industrial coating printers? Oh my God, I know what those are. Let's do this. Did you ever see that video that ESPN put out of him working security for ESPN? Yes. Where he's working the gate.
00:04:53
Speaker
Did seeing him in a funny position there make you think that there was a real missed opportunity of a comedy wrestler version of Brock Lesnar?
00:05:01
Speaker
I think I saw the comedy wrestler version of Brock Lesnar. Did you ever see him with the mariachi band and the sombrero? I didn't mean racist Brock Lesnar. I've said funny Brock Lesnar. I think that was pretty funny. Where are those bits? Where are those bits now? I mean, I guess he isn't there for him, but I feel like we're not going to see him playing any mariachi music sometime soon.
00:05:27
Speaker
I don't know where those bits are for Brock Lesnar. I know that I got to watch, what was that, last summer? Sammy Zane do a, what was that, an army training course for Bobby Lashley's sisters or whatever? Oh my god, that was shit. I feel like that was where I was like, I have to take a break. This is too much. It was Crown Jewel that put it over the top, I think.
00:05:53
Speaker
Well, you know, we may want Brock Lesnar to be our comedy wrestler, but we don't have Brock, we have Jizz. And I don't know that he wrestles as much as he comes out and did Jesus Christ. What happened with Jizz on Raw this week? Noises? I don't know. I'm not really...
00:06:15
Speaker
The thing about Otis and Jizz is that any time they appear on television, people reach out to us on social media that they are being entertained by the, what would you, is Jizz the mascot of predetermined upper wrestling hangout? If he's willing to be, even if he isn't willing to be, he sort of became that. I know that this week on Monday Night Raw, they basically did a
Wrestling Industry Moves
00:06:40
Speaker
combination of a Lacey Evans catwalk spot
00:06:44
Speaker
Plus the Bushwhackers entrance? Yeah, I didn't get that. I mean, I saw it, but I didn't get it. Raw was fucking weird this week, man.
00:06:55
Speaker
WWE was weird this week. It's been, it's been an interesting week for the E. That being said, it was, it wasn't that it was, I don't know if I would say it was bad because they gave us things that I'm definitely interested in and excited about, but it feels like they just gave us like the next three years of top talent all at the same time with no fanfare.
00:07:19
Speaker
So, do you know the backstory behind that? I don't know if you heard the news that dropped today. Dude, I don't get to check the news anymore. This is actually now where I'm coming to check my news. You're coming to me. Apparently, Triple H didn't know about that until the last minute.
00:07:37
Speaker
Vince went over his head and decided, we're bringing up the top four guys from NXT, just bring them up, whoever they are. And that's what they did. And so Ricochet, Aleister Black, Gargano and Champa all wrestled on Raw and SmackDown. So they chose those four and left Adam Cole saying, what the fuck guys? Basically, actually probably every member of undisputed era felt that way.
00:08:05
Speaker
Mostly Adam Cole, right? Mostly. But uh...
00:08:10
Speaker
God, I don't know, what the fuck? I mean, and first of all, we got a comment on this before it is lost in the pages of history. That fucking crowd on Monday night sucked. They sucked so much ass. So were they in Lafayette, Louisiana? Correct. Okay, as I was watching all of these, I mean, obviously if we were there, we would have been poppin' for these guys, but we also pay a hell of a lot of attention to a lot of wrestling.
00:08:39
Speaker
and have relationships with these wrestlers, they could have given a fuck less.
00:08:46
Speaker
I heard a story online about somebody that sat next to somebody that swore that they were at WrestleMania because they saw the WrestleMania sign there at Raw. I don't know if there were just, I don't know how to explain it. I explained this just a couple nights ago. I said, there are people who pay big money to go sit ringside at Monday Night Raw when nothing fucking happens.
00:09:13
Speaker
And you happen to be in the building on a night where they're like, hey, remember that third brand? It's like our best show. Yeah, we're calling up the best guys from that tonight. And they did not give a shit. They did. They did that feel like raw after mania.
00:09:27
Speaker
a little bit a little bit, but it also felt really fucking because we're in the we're in the build to WrestleMania right now. Like if there was ever a time to just kind of commit to the things you've been working on the last whatever now's the time and you kind of build a story, but it's like they're injecting new shit into the product.
00:09:47
Speaker
as they head towards their biggest show of the year. So, OK, Champa and Gargano come out on Monday Night Raw and beat the new Raw tag team champions. But they still, yes, they still have the heavyweight or the NXT heavyweight championship and the North American title. Are they going to win those tag championships and take them over to NXT?
00:10:13
Speaker
Because we're not done with these guys on NXT. They're just working like triple duty right now, aren't they? Well, I saw one of the complaints was that they're supposed to be like begrudging tension between Gargano and Champa. So like it completely undermines everything they've been doing on NXT where like, yeah, they're working together, but they don't really trust each other. And now they show up on Monday Night Raw and they're best friends again.
00:10:37
Speaker
Well, okay, what we've got going on here is three alternate universes. We have Raw, SmackDown, and NXT. They're gonna be on all three of them, or it seems to be such right now. You know what? I don't see why we don't just get them three different storylines and maybe, who knows? Maybe they suck on SmackDown. Maybe they're awesome on NXT and best friends. Maybe on Raw they're the tag champs. I don't know.
00:11:04
Speaker
It is interesting they went out of their way to give them like the NXT nameplate when they come out. They're still a part of the NXT roster. They're not like drafted to Raw or SmackDown, but they're making their appearance. And this goes back to what I said about the Elimination Chamber opportunity. That's what was so interesting is that they opted to not do an NXT Elimination Chamber match, but the night after Elimination Chamber, they're calling up the top four guys from NXT.
00:11:32
Speaker
And if I was Triple H, I would be pissed because it's just like I think Vince is getting nervous from all the people who are requesting their releases, which the newest one is supposedly Ty Dillinger. I guess he put out a statement saying that he's requested his release. But I guess he was also very, very pissed off at Undertaker making an appearance at Starcast.
00:11:55
Speaker
Really? I thought it was announced that Undertaker was starting to request public appearance bookings. Yeah, but you know what? Vince doesn't like it. Not a big fan of Conrad.
00:12:09
Speaker
I just don't, it goes back to, you know, one of the things that was put out there a few days back, which was that Vince wants the perception to be that his guys, they don't leave. They don't go do other things. And here at this moment where they've been, you know, I mean, I guess it's been better lately, but you know, they had a stretch there where they were doing really low ratings on their show and they've been getting scrutinized pretty. I mean, the, how many was that like,
00:12:35
Speaker
A month ago? How long ago was it where they made that commitment to giving the fans what they wanted? I don't know. I feel like they give me a commitment every couple months and I'm in a bad relationship and he keeps cheating on me. We're doing things differently this time. I swear to God, I won't fuck around on you this time. You promise? Yes. But do you think if you're Triple H, you're like scared and you're pissed off that like, oh, great, all these guys, I just put all this work in over the last year or two.
00:13:06
Speaker
Vince is just like, fuck it, I'm taking them now. And you know that they could wind up in the same position as the Ascension or Ty Dillinger or any number of guys that just haven't worked out on the main roster.
00:13:20
Speaker
I guess there is that, but there is also NXT has such a stacked roster that you move out the four top guys that makes room for Matt Riddle, Keith Lee, you know, like some, some big talent they have down there that isn't really doing much. Were you surprised that Velveteen Dream wasn't one of the people that they brought up? I thought that had to have been the most deliberate thing ever.
00:13:45
Speaker
He's the one guy down there that's been saying, take me with you. Like everybody else is just like, yeah, I got a belt. It's awesome. Life is great. And he's like, for the love of God, this is where I belong. Everybody knows where this is. This is where I belong. And he's like, no, thanks.
00:14:06
Speaker
Everybody's trying to get into NXT. He's the only one trying to get out. He's the only one that actually wants the call up to the main roster. We find out that Brock is like, no, I've been, I've wanted to be down there for years. I, uh, I could use a tune up on my, my mic skills and Brock Lesnar and NXT would be amazing. He's like, Oh, I mean, there's some guys I can throw around down there. I saw Keith Lee's pretty big.
00:14:35
Speaker
I guess this is an announcement. I'm officially paying WWE for the WWE Network again. I got an offer from them in my email to sign up for a month of the network for 99 cents and I pounced on it.
00:14:48
Speaker
And then they put Ricochet on Raw. So you're getting everything you wanted. My one dollar that I gave them, less than a dollar, already paying dividends. I logged out of your account. I'm no longer into Garrett's network account. And I'm back on my own. And I watched Elimination Chamber on Sunday. And I know you did as well. I did. I think that people are being pretty harsh on that show.
00:15:14
Speaker
Is that what you're hearing? I thought people enjoyed it. I thought the differences I got was people liked it. I guess it depends who you follow on Twitter. It seems like I follow some very negative folks. For the most part, I would say I enjoyed it. There was some matches I didn't care about, but that's pretty much every pay per view they're going to have. Yeah. What were you hearing that was negative? I guess we'll start there, we'll get the bad shit out of the way, and then we can go over to my positive side of the fence.
00:15:42
Speaker
I was seeing that the IC title match was pretty boring. What? I read that.
00:15:50
Speaker
I wouldn't say it was the most exciting thing I've ever seen, but I thought it was kind of an awesome dynamic. And then, you know, now Ricochet's over there and he's best friends with Finn Balor and they're going to have team little guy and it's going to be great. Are you happy that Finn finally got his first title since his universal title run? Is that really his first? He never held the IC title at some point? No.
00:16:15
Speaker
Holy shit. He has not held the championship since he won the universal title and had to give it back the next day. I am excited that he has it and I think that he could put on great matches with it and I hope they actually let that happen. Do you think we'll ever see the demon as an IC title holder? Because I feel like that is exclusively for upper tier belts.
00:16:41
Speaker
When was the last time that we saw the demon summer in Corbin? Yes. So, yeah, I didn't hear situation. I didn't see the demon that night. I was like, you know what? No demon. I'm taking a bathroom break. Come back. See the demon stand in the middle of the ring. Win in a match. Are they trying to phase it out?
00:17:02
Speaker
Like what's going on there? Are they trying to make Finn Balor the man enough to get the job done? Right now I'm picturing Vince McMahon sitting in the middle of a floor surrounded by papers and you asking him that question and him just shouting, I don't know, okay? I don't know.
00:17:21
Speaker
This is, this is a really complicated show with a lot of to spit in wheels. And you know, I just, I, I've lost track of it and I don't have anyone to help me. And there's around the corner, just an entire room of writers that he doesn't know about. Like, what if I him ramble by himself in the other room? Why doesn't anyone work here? Where is all my money going? And Brock Lesnar is just waving at him from the other side of the room. Throws the belt at him again.
00:17:54
Speaker
uh no i i thought the show was was pretty good i mean i didn't think that everything was memorable i was actually
00:18:03
Speaker
entertained slash surprised by the usos mcmiz match um and i couldn't believe they let the usos a participate in the match at all but b win the titles after the news from last week about what was it jimmy or jay that got in the fight with the cop i'm trying to remember which ones yeah which is makes him awesome
00:18:26
Speaker
It makes it seem like he truly is unhinged. He's Dean Ambrose. We need a replacement for him. And if you told me that Dean Ambrose was out fighting cops every weekend, I'd say, yeah, makes sense for that character. I don't know. It seems like in this company right now, all you have to do to get a title is say publicly that you might leave. Well, the Usos are another couple of guys that are rumored that they could be on the way out. And supposedly, I guess, Rikishi on Instagram or something made reference to that.
00:18:58
Speaker
Damn. Speaking of, Rikishi is going to be here the day before my birthday doing stand up in Nashville. What? Yeah. Rikishi does stand up? Didn't know that, but he's appearing at a comedy club unless he's there to dance. I don't know what else he's going to do. I hope he does his dance at the end of the set. Do I need to go to that?
00:19:19
Speaker
It depends on how much it is. Exactly, I think everybody would, because I'd have to go pay a two drink minimum, I'm gonna have to pay to park, I'm gonna, I don't know if I'm gonna get enough out of a Rikishi stand-up set, unless, what if it's just really straight stand-up, no pro wrestling talk, just a lot of, what's the deal with this? What's, what if it's really good? He's just like, hey everybody, my name's Rikishi and these are my musings. I'm a bad man.
00:19:50
Speaker
Did you hear the one about my- my kids? No, I didn't. Oh yeah, they're- Squee up to a cop, got a promotion. True story. But back to elimination chamber. Six-time tag team champion Usos.
00:20:10
Speaker
They have to be considered one of the all-time great tag teams in WWE history, right? They've consistently been a very good team. I think that the run they had against the New Day is going to go down as a great tag segment. You know, just a program there. Yeah, I think this new version of the Usos, they're finding a way to stay relevant. And I think they've actually become more fun to watch as heels. So yeah, fuck Usos. Put them in the Hall of Fame this year. Really make them stay.
00:20:41
Speaker
I do think that is the thing is that they did evolve over their time in WWE. They used to be the people who wore face paint and did like the yelling chant segment before they came out. And now they're just kind of a couple of bad dudes. And so you evolve with the times, you extend your career and you become legends and then you square up with a cop.
Spotlight on Kofi Kingston
00:21:03
Speaker
See, now would be a great time for them to have a program with the New Day so that the New Day can talk about the Uso Penitentiary. New Day's a little bit busy right now, right? You mean being main event talent? That's kind of been the hot story for a little over a week. Dude, have we really been sleeping on Ko-fi?
00:21:26
Speaker
No, I have so many feelings on this. I'm ready to talk about him on this podcast. Do it, because I, for one, am enjoying the hell out of Kofi Kingston, and after that match, if he had won that title, I would have not been mad. I mean, that crowd was so hot for Kofi, and it made me feel good. I think Kofi is a great wrestler, and I think that between the gauntlet match and his performance in the chamber,
00:21:54
Speaker
people reminded why he's an amazing athlete and that he can go in the ring. I mean, I remember watching early Kofi and being a fan of his, I don't know if I necessarily want to see. The thing is, if there was a time that they were going to put the title on him, elimination chamber was it because everybody in the arena was buying into it and everybody in the arena was feeling things. And I still think they got the decision, right? I think Daniel Bryan winning and keeping the title makes the most sense. But, um,
00:22:23
Speaker
I just don't know if I buy Kofi as WWE Champion, especially on the road to WrestleMania. I don't. When I saw that he was getting the rematch or getting an actual match at Fastlane, obviously very excited to see that. But Fastlane is the biggest who gives a fuck pay-per-view of the year. Yeah. That just as well be a Ring of Honor house show.
00:22:47
Speaker
Yeah, I think the thing about it is that I think it's what people want to see right now. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take anything away from that. I'm happy that he's getting some like some after being there. How many years they say like 11 years 11 years. I'm glad that he's getting this time.
00:23:06
Speaker
But it'd be like if somebody was making the argument, well, Zack Ryder's been there for a long time. Fuck, how long has Zack Ryder been there? I don't wanna see him as WWE Champion. Now given, as far as athletes go, Kofi is worlds above Zack Ryder. However, this is my one critique of Kofi. I think he's the least interesting member of New Day.
00:23:27
Speaker
Is it his size? Is it because he's the most regular sized of the three of them? I think he's the most regular, well-behaved of the three of them. I think Xavier's crazy. I think the trombone shtick and his promos are pretty fucking awesome. Biggie's just insane. The tongue wagging and the wiggling of the hips is something I like to do to my girlfriend sometimes, just to entertain her.
00:23:51
Speaker
I was getting ready to ask, how many times a day do you do that alone in a room? Because my answer is several. A lot. It's just very fun. It's very freeing. I see why he does it, and I'm a little jealous that I can't do it in front of as many people as he does. Just so you know, I still don't have a desk or anything to set this up on. I am still standing. So as we're talking, I've got the hips going. I'm doing the jaguarating. That makes me happy.
00:24:19
Speaker
That makes me almost as happy as you having to read in public. Maybe that's what I should do to be less nervous. Do the big E. While you're reading. Right now. Then you put the pressure back on them. I've been doing this for about the last 20 seconds or so and no one can see it. It's just for me.
00:24:54
Speaker
Like to me, the Kofi thing is lightning in a bottle, but I don't think it's enough to make me be like, first of all, Daniel Bryan's still fucking awesome. And him with that title is amazing. And I don't think that because, because this is the other thing I don't think anybody wants to admit. The Kofi mania thing, that's WWE. This wasn't like a fan movement thing that made it happen. They made that decision out of nowhere last Tuesday.
00:25:06
Speaker
I kinda want you to record a video of it and post it. Is that not happening?
00:25:21
Speaker
They could have put anybody in that spot. They chose Kofi. Well, because it was supposed to be Mustafa Ali and what I read was that they just kept the exact same story they were going to use him for but just threw Kofi in.
00:25:36
Speaker
But do you think Kofi works better than Mustafa Ali does in this spot? I think him just getting a shot by chance makes it a better story. But I do agree with you. There's any number of wrestlers you could have thrown into that, given them the same story. But I don't know, is there something about Kofi that made it work extra hard? Just maybe because everybody's loved the New Day for so long, but their tag team, you very rarely get a singles match out of them.
00:26:04
Speaker
I don't know. Wasn't it not that long ago that you and a lot of other people were really pushing for Big E to get a singles push?
00:26:12
Speaker
To me, he was the one that made the most sense out of all of them, but that being said, how often is it that WWE just pulls the trigger on a thing that everybody's like, what the fuck? But this was a time that it worked. Everybody was excited. They successfully made that arena about as crazy and excited as they could be for an elimination chamber match. Yeah, they had me wondering if they were gonna put, because here's the thing.
00:26:39
Speaker
They can always give him the title for a night, or two nights technically, and have him have to defend it on SmackDown and lose it again. They could give him a run with the WWE Championship as a nod to his commitment for the past 11 years, but not actually give him a run, run, run. Wait, so kinda like our, does our truths, I think I asked you this last week, I still don't remember.
00:27:07
Speaker
Yes, our truth is still the United States champion. Did he defend it on Raw? No. Has he been around? Like, is he doing anything? He's on SmackDown. Okay, okay.
00:27:21
Speaker
He was not on SmackDown if I recall. Do you even watch wrestling? Yeah, Derek. Derek, I do. I got a new job and I'm in a new house and I just found out there actually is a ghost and I haven't been able to sleep, so I haven't been able to focus on professional wrestling. Is that what you were going to say? Plus, I have to read out loud. I don't know why I turned into Kermit the Frog.
00:27:47
Speaker
No, what's going on? I was a dick to you for like 20 seconds and now I feel bad. You shouldn't because that is what happened. And obviously I would like to be watching a lot more wrestling and I plan on doing it. I mean, tomorrow I'm going to go see the page movie.
00:28:06
Speaker
I don't, I can't figure out if I wanna go see that or not. You're gonna see the fucking page movie before you see Marine Six. Written and directed by Steven Merchant, co-creator of The Office. It's getting really good reviews, Dwayne's in it. Every time I see the trailer and I see fake Pete Dunn in the NXT lineup, I'm delighted as hell. Can't wait to watch that guy to pretend to be Pete Dunn. Yeah, why wouldn't you go see it? I can't.
00:28:34
Speaker
I can't figure out if I want to because I have a hard time believing that it's good. I mean, am I the only one here who feels like the Rock's role in Paige's story is being way overblown for the trailer? It is, but he produced it and it's a way to get people in seats. But if the movie's actually good and he's, you know, it seems like he's just a cameo or a couple cameos, but I, you know, Steven Merchant makes quality products. I think it's going to be good.
00:29:04
Speaker
Do you think Vince Vaughn is proud to be a part of this production? He has been doing all sorts of Q and A's with Paige in Los Angeles at the screenings they've had there.
The Paige Movie Inquiry
00:29:13
Speaker
So, you know, I guess, do you think Dwayne made that call and is like, Vince, get down there. Because obviously Dwayne has control of anyone named Vince. That's just kind of, that's a given. He's like, Vince, you've fallen a long way from wedding crashers, buddy.
00:29:34
Speaker
he has fighting with my family yes exactly now he's an NXT trainer Billy Gunn can't get that job maybe I'll go see it this weekend maybe I'll go see it this weekend and we'll be able to talk about it next week well I'm gonna talk about it one way or the other so you should get out to that theater man
00:29:56
Speaker
Derek, I watched Ring of Honor. That's what I was going to ask about. You said you hadn't watched any wrestling, but I was going to call you and be like, you tried to. Yeah. So last night I decided, you know what? I want to catch up on some new Japan. I want to watch a bunch of new Japan that, you know, haven't, haven't seen during all the moves and everything.
00:30:13
Speaker
So their website was down, nothing would load for me. So I thought, okay, what's Ring of Honor up to? Derek, have you ever watched wrestling and it made you so sad you had to turn it off? Yeah, like every couple of weeks that happens. It's a rare thing when I make it to that third hour of Monday Night Raw. I'm usually done by 8.30. What if it was gonna be Otis and Jizz versus the Revival?
00:30:43
Speaker
Main event. Not happening. But you're going to watch it on YouTube later or something. I might see a clip or something on Twitter. Fuck you. He's our mascot. Derek, we are Jizz. That's the shirt. We are Jizz. Picture of Otis. Wait, no, he's Otis. Otis does it. God, this is confusing. You started this and now you're fucking it up.
00:31:07
Speaker
Well, we should have made it less confusing, but it is what it is. We are Jizz. I just didn't expect you to sign off on Jizz being our mascot this quickly. I thought you'd at least like to think about it. Why would I have to think about it? He is us. We are him. We are all Jizz. I am not. I have a neck.
00:31:25
Speaker
If Derek, if you or I were wrestlers, that's the guy that they would put us out there to be. I mean, we're not Zach. We would be lucky to be Zach Ryder at least. Otis and Jizz don't even have to wrestle. Zach Ryder goes and gets tan and then sits back. I guess he's been working with his old buddy Kurt Hawkins lately. They're trying to get a W for the first time in a long time. Have you been watching their toy show on YouTube? Fuck no. Can I tell you, I've seen every single episode
00:31:54
Speaker
What the fuck is going on here? I need to get caught up on New Japan Ring of Honor, but don't you worry. I've seen every single episode of Zack Ryder and Curt Hawkins Toy Show online. They go to a place and Zack Ryder buys all the toys and Curt Hawkins maybe buys a toy and Zack Ryder makes fun of him for being cheap. And then Curt Hawkins is like, you're not working enough matches these days to be blowing your money on toys.
00:32:23
Speaker
He's like, you haven't even been on TV this year. The only thing I really know about Zack Ryder in his toy collection, he's a big Ghostbusters fan. He's a big fan of every toy he comes across, and he always walks out holding like six bags. He's like, I just spent $1,200 on old toys I had when I was a kid. Like, I think he doesn't give a shit that he's losing because it's fun in his toy habit. He's like, you kidding? Who's he in a relationship with?
00:32:50
Speaker
Oh, shit. Actually, isn't he in a relationship with the bride? The bride. Shit. Why can't I think Chelsea Green? Isn't he dating Chelsea Green? Yeah, that's what I was gonna ask. Is it Chelsea Green that he's in? I think so. It's somebody. Yeah, it's somebody. I should tolerate that shit.
00:33:12
Speaker
I can tell you right now, my wife will barely let me buy wrestling memorabilia as it is. If I came home with like $1,200 worth of toys, that ain't gonna fly. It's like, no, but look. Actually, you just bought a new house. It's like, no, seriously though, look at this. This is the Beetlejuice coffin. There's a little Beetlejuice in here and you turn the flag and when you pull it out, it's a full-size Beetlejuice.
00:33:35
Speaker
Maybe that should be our thing, just talking about old toys we used to have. It's like, no, no, this is the police academy car. It pulls apart in the middle. Every sittin' has to come from a place of insecurity, so it has to start with, no, no. No, no. Like, they're not convinced that what you're about to tell them matters. And you have to be like, no, no. No, no. No, no. Because that's the only way you can talk about toys as an adult. No, no, no. No, no. No, you guys see, it's been like 40 years.
00:34:05
Speaker
Now that's me in an HR meeting having to describe why I like wrestling. It's like, which, you know, it's fake, right? No, no, no, no, it's not fake. It's predetermined. And then I have to sit there and earnestly talk about it as an art form, which I believe, but makes me look like a stupid asshole and makes them wonder, why did we hire this guy?
00:34:28
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no. And then if they, if the whole time- That's how you articulate insecurity. That is how you, somebody, you can feel them judging you to your core. And you're like, you're ready to die on that hill. You're ready to defend yourself. No, no. No, no.
00:34:46
Speaker
Now, what's funny is how often I have to use that in my life where I'm thinking about like the other night I went to a rom-com by myself and I was like, you went to see that and I have to start. No, no, I mean, no, no, no, don't, don't, don't get me started.
00:35:04
Speaker
This is my new favorite thing. I love no-no. No-no gets everything. Like when I can tell like, okay, when someone says no-no, it means they're passionate about some dumb shit and they're not going to let you let it slide. No-no is like the fucking in God we trust for neckbeards.
00:35:26
Speaker
No, no, no, no, no, no. Okay, if I had said no, no in the HR meeting and then they saw this Ring of Honor show I watched, they would look at me and they're like, no, no, no, no.
00:35:39
Speaker
No, try to justify this. No, no, no, no, go ahead and justify. No, no, no, no, no, no, this is all you. Go ahead. Dude, seriously though, this Ring of Honor show. Read publicly for an hour. No, no, go ahead. No, no. No, no, go ahead. Tell me about the Ring of Honor show that you watched. Okay.
00:36:01
Speaker
This was in, I want to say they were in Miami. It was bound by Honor 2019. Not a, not a pay-per-view because Ring of Honor hasn't had a pay-per-view since Final Battle.
Ring of Honor Challenges
00:36:13
Speaker
There's a really scattered and honest to God, I don't even know how that system works. I can't explain it. I couldn't tell you what channel they're on, when it's on. They have the worst app, but God damn it, I'm still trying to support these guys. I turn on this show immediately. Nick Aldis is on commentary.
00:36:31
Speaker
How's he doing at that job? It's weird. It's weird. Is that the best job that the NWA champ can find? Is commentary at an empty house show in Miami? That's kind of weird. That's not a way to highlight your guy. So they're in a fairly good size arena.
00:36:51
Speaker
I guess not arena like kind of probably like a wherever we saw them in Chicago You know where there's a good set of bleachers a lot of floor seating on every side of the ring for the first few matches It was the first two rows were full on the stage side. There were three completely empty rows leading to the stage and
00:37:14
Speaker
And then as the camera turns to show the crowd, it is just empty bleachers and like three rows of people. And as the show went on, I started noticing more people and less people in the bleachers. And they were clearly trying to pull them to get them on that hard cam side to at least fill the seats. Right. And it was just, dude, it was a bummer. And then when I started seeing the card popping up, I was like, well,
00:37:40
Speaker
No shit, this is why no one's there. You've got, let's see, Shinobi Shadow Squad, which is Cheeseburger and a couple other guys, versus Dalton Castle and the boys. The match I was most interested in seeing, I couldn't even get that far into the show because I was too sad watching it, was PCO and Mark Briscoe. You didn't stick around for a PCO match? Dude, it was second to last, and I was like three matches in. It just was not gonna happen.
00:38:09
Speaker
They even on this show had a title change. And nobody gave a shit? Okay, it was Kelly Klein. It was the women's title. Remember the one that we had it on Sumi Sakai for nearly a fucking year? Yeah. Well, the next person to have it drops it at an empty house show in Miami. So... It was Mayu Iwatami and Kelly Klein. They had like an 11-minute match. Kelly Klein drops the belt at this house show.
00:38:38
Speaker
Do you think this was a, that they were putting together this show as a tape so that they could send it to Cody and the Bucks to be like, look what you did? You proud? Well, yeah. It just made me realize, like I even called Leah and I was like, you've been to quite a few Ring of Honor shows, take a look at this. And she was like, oh my God, that's so sad. Cause it was, they have still a pretty decent roster, but it really, really showed how hard they were hit by the elite leaving.
00:39:09
Speaker
Are you legitimately surprised by that? No, I'm not surprised by that, but you would think that they would stop booking venues that would have been places the elite would have done well at.
00:39:23
Speaker
Or is it that they had those places booked already before they made their decision to leave? I'm sure that had to have been it, but when you saw how many, you know, empty seats they were gonna be, you need to start blacking out some risers because just seeing those empty seats, I mean, it is a mostly empty bleacher with just a scattered few people throughout it. It really sticks out like a sore thumb when you're watching it. Do you think ROH is officially starting to feel like legitimate developmental for everyone else?
00:39:53
Speaker
I mean, no, I don't know, because at this point, they've got guys that don't need to be developed anymore. I mean, they have Bandito, they have Mark Haskins, Juice Robinson is just there now, I guess. Whatever became of Punishment Martinez, is he still training? No, he's been on NXT like twice. Oh, okay, I missed it. I don't keep up with it all the time. I pop in every couple of weeks, so.
00:40:21
Speaker
and his name is still Punishment Martinez. Yeah, he got to keep his name. He hasn't really done much though. It's kind of like how WWE signed Donovan Dijak and then just had him down and developmental doing NXT house shows forever until he's finally on the show now. So what does the future hold for Ring of Honor and the opinion of Garrett? Man, I know that was just a house show.
00:40:50
Speaker
It makes me very concerned for Madison Square Garden. I don't know if you take, what do you do? Do you have Marty Skirrell win against Jay Lethal at their next show and have him go into that holding the Ring of Honor title and have a big title match there and have him drop it to somebody? But even then- That's how you would salvage it.
00:41:12
Speaker
But you know, like, even looking at this, the main event last night was the Kingdom, which, to me, Matt Taven's the next champion. I love what he's doing there with his purple belt that he got made, where he's saying it's the real Ring of Honor title, and I love that that's pissing Jay Lethal off.
00:41:28
Speaker
But looking at that, it was the Kingdom versus Jay Lethal, John Thangresham, and Roosh. And I guess Roosh was offered a WWE contract and Adrade told him, don't take it, it's not worth it. So he ended up at Ring of Honor. And it was shortly after that was publicly made that Adrade started getting better matches on Raw.
00:41:53
Speaker
So it's like if you want some good shit. This is such a fucked up dynamic. It's like, yeah, it really is. It's that fucked up customer service thing where people who are polite don't get anything and the people who complain get rewarded. So treat this like a fucking Denny's. They didn't bring you your ranch. The whole meal's free and dratte. Get in there and fight Ray for an hour. You did see that the revival came right out on Twitter and were like, if you complain long enough, you get what you want.
00:42:22
Speaker
And it was a picture of them with the tag titles with Triple H. At some point you're just gonna hear, Jizzy wants a title. Jizzy wants a title.
00:42:31
Speaker
He's gonna refer to himself as Jizzy. We will be so over when that happens. You know what? That would be so over that even Lafayette, Louisiana would pop for Jizzy once a title. Fuck Lafayette, Louisiana. You're being too hard on a small town. That was WWE's fault for not putting that show somewhere different. I mean, obviously, they just made a decision that day and that was the wrong place to debut those guys.
00:42:58
Speaker
But wouldn't you look at it as if a town like that isn't getting WWE very often and is a small town that they would be more into it? No, I think it's a small town. It's a smaller market. It's not as many- Why are you going to bet for Lafayette? Why do you give a shit? I don't understand. Derek, you're just being too hard on the state of Louisiana.
00:43:22
Speaker
I didn't say anything about the state. I said Lafayette. I feel like you're lumping it all together. You think the shape is stupid. We have listeners in Louisiana. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. No, no. I don't got anything against the state of Louisiana shape. No, no.
00:43:39
Speaker
Don't go there. We need to take you down there to a crawfish festival. I went to one of those. You mentioned something about Marty Skrull winning the Ring of Honor title from Jay Lethal. What about the NWA title? What's going on with that? Because isn't he still fighting Nick Aldis? I guess technically they could. I don't know. It seems like would NWA want to start doing shit with All Elite or do they even want to be associated with that? I mean, to me, that's just another match that Nick Aldis is going to win.
00:44:10
Speaker
Oh my God, just think about that. Like if Lafayette, Louisiana needs a nighttime, something to watch to make them go to sleep, they would eat up Nicole this. And by eat up, I mean, they would get exactly what they wanted. They could sit there and be as quiet as possible and sleep like babies.
00:44:28
Speaker
I know I'm being a dick to Nick Aldis, but- So I'm getting ripped on for ripping on Lafayette from Monday night for their piss poor audience, but you can just take shots at Nick Aldis all day long. I thought you had respect for everyone who stepped between the rooms. I'm a goddamn American citizen, and I'm gonna stand up for my fucking country. And if you wanna stay over here just defending a British guy, having the NWA title, that's fine. That accent is offensive.
00:44:56
Speaker
Jizzy wants a tattle. Jizzy wants a tattle. Everyone's pissed off at the Lacey Evans stuff the last week where she comes out, does a little walk down the ramp, and then goes back. How do you feel about Lacey Evans?
00:45:11
Speaker
You know what? She's got a good job. If you just walk halfway down the ramp and walk back up, ask Zack Ryder, how many toys does that get you? Get you all the fucking toys. Lacey, start loading up with some barnyard commandos because you got the money for it, babe. I felt bad calling her babe there. I don't call people babe. But you do give the Southern accent a bad name, apparently. America.
00:45:40
Speaker
Hey, I live in the South now. The South is basically my best friend. I can say what I please about it. That's true. You did commit to the South for the long term. How's the new house? Still no ghosts. Maybe I just enjoyed elimination chamber because I've been moving so many boxes. I haven't been here that much. So actually getting to sit down and watch the first pay-per-view, start to finish, it felt nice.
00:46:11
Speaker
I guess we should also talk about, cause we're splitting up our elimination chamber talk a little bit. Did you let, you were really into that cruiserweight match on the pre-show, weren't you? I was buddy Murphy, man. That guy is just really, really good. Uh, so is Akira Tozawa.
00:46:27
Speaker
Man, it's just a shame that they don't just commit to them and put that in the middle of the show. I mean, even if you put that in like a cool-down spot, because people are gonna be like, ah, Cruiserweights, who gives a shit? But the people that stick around are gonna catch a hot fucking match. Yeah, you texted me and you said, why don't they just put this on the main roster? Why don't they just do this every week? No, no. No, no, no, no, no, the show's fine. No, let me justify it. Let me justify where they are.
00:47:00
Speaker
No, it'll be funny again, it'll come back around. I don't know, man, I wish that belt, I made a joke, something about the purple belt. I've seen designs people have done of that same championship, but with a black strap and it looks awesome. I wish they would go that route with it. It feels too much like a toy. Zach Ryder's ears just perked up.
00:47:28
Speaker
No, bro, I have it in three different colors, limited edition. You know where you can get this one? Nowhere. No one has this, but you have it. No, no, no, no, I got it special. I watched him buy a mold that they used to create a Macho Man figure on that show, Derek.
00:47:46
Speaker
that was important to him he is like i have every version of this and this is a thing that no one has this is the mold they used in the factory to make this macho man toy and i'm gonna pay 500 for it and and kurt hawkins is over there like
00:48:02
Speaker
I don't make Macho Man mold money. That's just not happening. I gotta save up for something, like living after they fire me. But good news for Kurt, they aren't firing anybody. If anything, Kurt's probably gonna get a world title shot. Actually, he's doing it wrong. He's not complaining enough. Yeah, his problem is being content with his position.
00:48:26
Speaker
We would kind of be dickheads if we didn't bring up the fact that WWE has women's tag team championships now. I like officially. I actually really enjoyed those titles. I like the way they look. Big fan of that. I thought the match itself started strong and ended strong. There was a lot of kind of blah in the middle. There's a lot of middle, but I like that it ended with the two teams that started it. Did you see my complaints about that going into that match?
00:48:56
Speaker
No, I had made the comment. I think it's weird that they decided to establish women's tag team championships and a match that didn't require tag team wrestling. Like it would have been interesting to see them do like a tag tournament and have crowned. I mean, I'm not complaining. Like I'm happy as hell they have women's tag titles, but can you quit scratching your neckbeard so close to the microphone? It's a, it's hard to hear.
00:49:22
Speaker
Ah, that's funny. No, no, no, no. Take it seriously for a minute. I'm just saying for people who want to appreciate good wrestling, I mean, like, fuck. There weren't tags. There was not a tag made in the establishment of the Women's Tag Team Championships. Yeah, but Nia Jax almost broke her goddamn way out to the crowd. Oh. She hit that thing hard. That means Randy had to sit in there with a broken window.
00:49:52
Speaker
Do you think that they got the winners right? Do you think it needed to be Sasha and Bailey?
00:50:00
Speaker
I think in my heart, if I was choosing what I wanted, Sasha and Bailey make sense as a tag team. They're kind of the female version of the Mega Powers at this point. That's kind of how they feel with those two. But at the same time, I wouldn't have been mad if, you know, the Riot Squad had won. I think an established tag team, it would have been cool if they had actually, you know, let them build that up and let Sasha and Bailey get that from them later. Let them chase those tag belts.
00:50:29
Speaker
I was kind of pulling for the Iconics, but that obviously didn't happen because they really haven't had like a significant, I don't know, victory or moment since they've been called up. Yeah, Kofi hadn't until like three days before that match.
00:50:44
Speaker
Wait a minute. If you've seen anything, it doesn't matter. Anything can happen in the WWE, Garrett. I know. I've been watching. Have you? Yeah, anything but Lars Sullivan can happen in WWE. Oh, you made the dirty joke. You made the low blow.
00:51:01
Speaker
It's OK, Derek, I'm on pills for anxiety and I can always use that against you. You have the excuse. Oh, fuck. I just think it's between the NXT call ups and between the establishment of the women's tag titles. It's like they're finding ways to skirt the brand split. Is that how that feels when I mean, even with like Otis and Jizz and EC3, I mean, people fuck.
00:51:30
Speaker
They called up a bunch of people that did not get a warm reception that they didn't do jack shit with, and then they were like, fuck it, call up Alistair Black, Ricochet, Gargano, and Champa. I don't even know if EC3 works there anymore. What? I'm pretty sure I saw him as an extra. I think he came down as part of the conga line with no way Jose. Yeah, is no way Jose still around? What the fuck?
00:51:56
Speaker
He was in the rumble, I guess. What are you guys doing? Get on Twitter, complain, get those title shots, man. I'm actually gonna get on later and complain that I haven't gotten one yet and see if I can get us a job there.
00:52:09
Speaker
You probably could. Vince doesn't want the bad publicity. Me and you are going to replace Sam Roberts. We have to share a chair at the desk, but I call sitting next to Booker. Vince is like, but you guys don't even wrestle. No, no. No, no, no, no. We know plenty. Yeah, neither does EC3, but you have him on the roster.
00:52:30
Speaker
I would love to be on the the pay-per-view kickoff show. You and I would be great at that job. That is honestly a dream job if they just let us go. Maybe we need to just set up our own and do live streams of the kickoff show. Just act like we're supposed to be there. We can just keep it on and do a live cast of it and you know just people could watch us. We could be the alternative product to that.
00:52:55
Speaker
It would be funny if we did it so that it timed up perfectly with the video packages so it was us hyping up a match with our commentary and then the video, like the serious, legit video package plays. Derek, I'm gonna need to get the shucky ducky quack quack moment of the night from you. It's the shucky ducky quack quack moment of the night, man.
China's WWE Hall of Fame Induction
00:53:14
Speaker
Oh, book or fucking T. We actually had, there is a pretty big thing we haven't mentioned yet.
00:53:19
Speaker
Which is? They're putting China in the Hall of Fame without having to really just put her in by herself. Yeah, that is a big deal. I had a hundred go out to announce it. Everything about this DX announcement brought out feelings from people. On the one hand, there was the gratitude that China is going into the Hall of Fame. On the other hand, some people feel like she should be going into the Hall of Fame by herself. I am amongst those people.
00:53:48
Speaker
No, she absolutely should. But that's not to say they won't later. I think this is a step. This is a step in the right direction of them at least acknowledging China. This is the whole time out. I just realized something. Badass Billy Gunn is a producer for AEW. He is going into the WWE Hall of Fame in April.
00:54:15
Speaker
Wait, so will he be at the Hall of Fame? They're inducting all of DX. They're doing Road Dogg, Billy Gunn, X-Pac, Triple H, China, Shawn Michaels. So Shawn Michaels, I guess is what, a two-time Hall of Famer now? Well, they inducted Bully Ray when he was still in Ring of Honor, and he went and did Ring of Honor, or did, like,
00:54:37
Speaker
What did he do? He showed up at Supercard last year with his Hall of Fame ring and made a big deal about it and was acting like a shitty heel that he is a hollow WWE Hall of Famer. Yeah, he should. Billy Gunn doesn't I feel like he doesn't have that heel in him anymore. It's too nice of a smile.
00:54:55
Speaker
I'm just saying that I didn't make that connection until just now that they have to invite somebody who's working for another promotion now to try to take them down, induct him into the Hall of Fame. Are you just, go ahead. I was gonna say, do you, so I know somebody asked Cody and those guys, are you gonna be anywhere mania weekend? And he said, no, that's WWE's weekend. Do you think that- Really? Yeah, he said that- It wasn't last year.
00:55:23
Speaker
Well, they were in different companies. They didn't have their own that last year. Right, but he clearly didn't share that same philosophy that it was just their weekend.
00:55:34
Speaker
Go ahead with what your point was, Garrett. Fuck you. No, I was saying, do you think that they'll still... Do you think there's a possibility that even though they're saying that, I mean, do they show up at, like, Janela's spring break since, you know, they have associations with that show now? Yeah. Yeah, that's definitely a possibility, I guess. Especially since, like I said, they had no problem being in the same town last year during Mania weekend. Go back to the Hall of Fame thing for a minute.
00:56:02
Speaker
I do think it is an opportunity for them to test the waters with China, but I feel like it kind of takes some of the impact away by doing it this way first and then doing her solo later, if that's actually what happens. Or are they just doing this to appease the people who definitely want her in there and then they move on from it entirely. I'm a little bit pissed that DX is going in before the NWO, if I'm being honest with you.
00:56:34
Speaker
because Degeneration X was a response to the creation of the NWO. I'm not saying that they won't wind up in there eventually. I don't know what's gonna end up happening with that, but eh. Hey, you know what? You're right. If there's ever a time to get people to not yell shit at Hulk Hogan while he's in the ring, do it mania weekend at the Hall of Fame while nobody's there and everybody's over at Madison Square Garden.
00:57:03
Speaker
Nobody's gonna be at Madison Square Garden now because Kenny's not gonna be there That's true. I am dude. I am a little worried about that show I know it seems at this point for that to be as good as we wanted it to be initially They're really gonna have to rely heavily on New Japan Yeah, yeah cuz right yeah
00:57:26
Speaker
That being said, they still have the possibility to give us Bandito versus Mark, not Mark Andrews, Will Ospreay.
00:57:35
Speaker
And that is a dream match. I think those two would tear the house down. That is a match that would easily be on a WWE pre-show. So that tells you how good it is. I hope that happens. That's I don't know. I don't know what's going on. It's weird. Oh, go ahead. I was going to ask, is it is it weird for you to see how much things have changed, how it affects how you feel about that Madison Square Garden show from like six months ago?
00:58:04
Speaker
Like where your mind was about how big of a deal that show was to where we're at now.
00:58:11
Speaker
And it isn't just Ring of Honor. Both sides have a factor in this. Because before it was like, all right, I'm going to Madison Square Garden, but I'm going to see Tanahashi main event with his belt. But now I'm going to see Jay White main event with his belt. And I'm like, I have a non-refundable plane ticket. I'm going one way or the other, but I am less excited. Also, you know, I have my Bullet Club umbrella. Yeah.
00:58:37
Speaker
I had never felt weird about that umbrella. I mean, it's funny, because walking around downtown, I knew that people in the high-rise offices could look down and see that, and that always amused me. But today, while it was pouring and I was carrying my Bullet Club umbrella, I'm like, what the fuck am I doing now, representing Jay White? I don't think this is what I signed up for. That's true. I mean, people associate the umbrella with Marty, but yeah, things have changed so much. Good God.
00:59:08
Speaker
I would like to see Marty win the Ring of Honor title, and when he faces Nick Aldis, it's Ring of Honor Champion against NWA Champion. But what's the date of the NWA one? I have no fucking clue. I just know I've seen the poster, and I like it. That being said, I'll be excited to watch that match, and then five minutes into the match, I'll remember why I shouldn't have been.
00:59:32
Speaker
Nick Aldis? You have a personal vendetta against him now. I loved him so much in two matches. And you really think you know a guy, Derek? No, no. No, no, no. He's fine. How far things have fallen for Nick Aldis? It's going to be a running theme for a year. Did you watch the most recent being the elite?
AEW's Legitimacy Questioned
01:00:00
Speaker
I haven't watched Being the Elite in a couple weeks. They're doing some funny stuff right now. They had Kenny signing his contract because they come back after the press conference and he goes, all right, it's time to sign it. And they go, wait, you haven't signed it yet? And he said, no, I want to do a video like you guys. And then Kenny starts asking them questions like, OK, so what what's the next show after Double or Nothing? And then Cody and the Bucks just get silent. He's like, wait, there's another show, right?
01:00:27
Speaker
Do you have a TV deal at least? And he's going through it and they're like, no, well, it's just this one right now. And he's like, are you telling me that I'm about to sign a contract with a glorified t-shirt company?
01:00:47
Speaker
I was wondering, I kept seeing those words the last few days. I didn't know where they came from. Well, that's what people had been saying on Twitter. Like the WWE fans that are shitting on AEW are saying like, they're just a t-shirt company. They don't even have shows. And I think it's funny that they're willing to address what people are actually saying. Yeah. I think that's an entertaining angle to be like, no, we've sold a lot of t-shirts and we have not done a single show yet.
01:01:14
Speaker
What is the rumor on the TV deal situation? What's going on with that? Because I think that's what matters most to everyone right now. There's still been basically no updates on that. I don't even know if we would find out about it at Double or Nothing, or if we find out about it later at All Out in Chicago.
01:01:33
Speaker
You're telling me they could be like a year out still from a TV deal? No, I mean they've said that the TV deal is going to start in October. They told that to WrestleTalk. Like they gave them the exclusive and gave them the list of dates that they have planned. But we've still had no indication of where they're going to be. I mean, I'm still hoping HBO. I think that's a really cool move if they did.
01:01:57
Speaker
but I don't know the only thing I'm still hearing is possibly TNT which to me isn't that was cool you know for the Monday night wars but why try and relive that on a channel that I guess more people probably have TNT than HBO though so yeah I think if you're wanting to get that product on as many eyes as possible you wouldn't put it on HBO
01:02:18
Speaker
You might make more money that way. I don't know. At this point, I mean, people are willing to buy an app to be able to watch the wrestling they like. And if it's HBO is really easy to get if you don't have it. I mean, you can pay 14 bucks a month and just have HBO now. I guess. Wouldn't HBO be a great person for them to go through to do their paper views, though? Oh, they do all like the boxing paper views. Exactly. They have the capability of running live television.
01:02:50
Speaker
I mean, I guess everybody probably does. I mean, if except the Pioneer network, do not go over there. Yeah, I don't know. I'm interested to see who they end up getting the deal with, though, because it matters to me. I want to know if I can watch if it's going to be on the pursuit network again. That being said, if the pursuit network, if the pursuit network. Oh, I'm sorry, the Pioneer network. Which one is it? It's pursuit. Is it? Yeah, we've been saying Pioneer. It's kind of like how we've been calling Otis Jizz.
01:03:25
Speaker
The only person that can watch Impact is Brock Lesnar. He's the only person that's going out of his way to watch that channel. That's his favorite wrestling program? Well, it's not his favorite wrestling program. It just comes on after his favorite hunting show, and he's like, ah, TV's on. I'll just stick around. I'll leave the song while I make an omelet. That was Norm McDonald's philosophy on his time slot on his TV show. He goes, yeah, you know, I'm on men between that 70s show and the Oc. I figure people that want to watch the Oc will be like, yeah, why change it at all?
01:03:45
Speaker
I think I've been calling it pursuit. I think you called it pioneer.
01:03:58
Speaker
The Okbe and the OC. Oh, fuck. What else we got this week? Or is that pretty much everything? I mean, if I have to throw out one last wrestling thing, pretty much every night before bed, my wife and I watched King of the Hill. I never really watched that show much when it was on. I realized my mistake. That show is very, very funny. And the other night we were watching one and fucking Macho Man popped up.
01:04:24
Speaker
Macho Man's a guest on King of the Hill? Yeah, it was one where Bill is trying to work out and better himself. He goes to a fitness place, gets a personal trainer, and he brings his big scary friends with him, and Macho Man is one of them. And getting to watch Macho Man be a personal trainer for a King of the Hill character. Mwah, delightful.
01:04:46
Speaker
I'm sad, I had my King of the Hill run like six or seven years ago where I caught on to how good the show was. I think I had like an adult swim run at the time I was watching it. So I'm glad you're having your moment with the show. You know, there's just old shows that I didn't give enough credit to like Frasier and King of the Hill. Great stuff. Did you ever feel that way about Futurama? I have actually never seen Futurama.
01:05:13
Speaker
Give that one a try sometime. I bet somebody right now just shit their pants when I said that. They're like, never? Not once? Yeah, well, how many of you motherfuckers tried to sit down and watch Bound by Glory or whatever? That was Bound by Honor. And they're like, all of us. All of us watched it, Garrett. It was still good. Zack Sabre Jr. fought Colt Cabana. We were the unpopular opinion in the room.
01:05:42
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's about all I got for this week, Derek. Well, fuck, plug our social media to get us fuck out of here, Garrett. Check us out on social media. Come hang out with us. I'll be able to hang out less during the day, but hey, I'll get back to you. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter, at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram, at Wrestle Hangout on Facebook. I am at Gartet on the social medias. Derek is at Halloween helping.
01:06:06
Speaker
Also, do us a big favor, hop over to iTunes, give us five stars, leave us a nice review, tell us what you love about the show, your favorite episode, all that good stuff. Hey, if you do that for us, you can make us watch something. As long as it can be tied to pro wrestling, you give us the order and we'll fulfill your wish. Hey, can one of you guys or gals leave a review and tell Derek to go watch the page movie this weekend because I think it'd be more fun if we both had seen it.
01:06:32
Speaker
I'm considering seeing it anyway, man. Get up off my back about it. And hit our goddamn music. No, no.