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Bonus Zone Watch Along: Goldberg vs The Fiend Super Showdown
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When Goldberg has a match of this caliber you know we're doing a watch along for it!
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Excitement & Mixed Feelings about Goldberg
00:00:00
Speaker
B-b-b-bonus zone! Is that how you're going to introduce these every time from now on? Uh, it feels right. To you? It feels right to me. I am so excited for this, Derek. No, you're not. Yes, I am. Why are you excited about this? Because I'm here in the same room with you. I get to watch your favorite match of the year. A guy you used to love versus Bray Wyatt.
00:00:29
Speaker
Look, I get that there's a movement right now to have people try to get me to admit that I like Bill Goldberg, but that would be a fucking lie. Look, I really hope that when we do more of these super showdown breakdowns that they involve less Bill Goldberg. Like, I would like to move on to some of the other garbage on the show.
00:00:49
Speaker
I like that they add Goldberg.
Setting Up Super Showdown Watch-along
00:00:52
Speaker
I like that when I see Goldberg, he's going to be in Saudi Arabia. And look at that face he's making. All right, guys, we are queued up at three hours, five minutes, and 23 seconds into Super Showdown. Get it paused, three hours, five minutes, 23 seconds. We're looking at Bray Wyatt and Goldberg on screen. It's the fiend. I'm sorry. It's the fiend, Bray Wyatt.
00:01:16
Speaker
I think he'll fare much better as the Fiend than he would as Bray Wyatt. Maybe I'm wrong. Hopefully the Fiend wins. That's why this match goes a couple minutes. Should we open up some breakfast claws? I mean, we definitely can. Let's open up a breakfast claw. Get me a breakfast claw. I served him up last night. I request... I think the watermelon sounds really good right now.
Traditions & Atmosphere during Wrestling Events
00:01:44
Speaker
So Garrett is going into the fridge at the moment. Yeah, the only reason I'm necessarily on board with this is because I'm getting ready to watch a fucking Bill Goldberg match. So yes, get me an alcoholic beverage. The last time we did a watch along was probably, it would have been earlier than this, but I like the tradition now of opening a breakfast claw and watching some rest. It's like a mimosa.
00:02:10
Speaker
it's almost it's 946 a.m. and we're getting ready to dive head first into this this what would you call this an atrocity all I know is it's a weekday and daddy's on vacation that's true it is a weekday daddy is on vacation not Effie
00:02:30
Speaker
All right, everyone. Once again, get your super showdown 2020 queued up to three hours, five minutes and 23 seconds. Garrett, do you want to count us down so we can start this shit? All right, friends, we're going to do this. And when we do it, we're going to go three, two, one.
00:02:50
Speaker
And we're going to press play on go. Yep. So I hope you guys are ready. You have it queued up at three hours, five minutes, twenty three seconds. We can't say it enough work. I can't. I can't say it enough. We don't want them to fuck up
Goldberg's Physique & Comeback Comparisons
00:03:04
Speaker
this part. The fiend is staring at me. Bill Goldberg's abs look fucking awesome.
00:03:09
Speaker
I mean that's got to be photoshopped. Why would it have to be photoshopped? Why can't Bill Goldberg just put in work? It looks airbrushed to shit. Well, if I had abs like that, I would put shading in them. Why won't he go away? Look at him. He's in great shape. That's why. If I were in that great shape. That's your answer? Yes, money in great shape.
00:03:30
Speaker
You're Vince's target audience. What if Goldberg could play a Marvel character? Yes. Which one? I hope he goes and does it. I hope he's gone for a long time. Hey. Hey. I didn't say one of them to die. No, I didn't say that. I was equally offended that you wanted him to go away. Just as much.
00:03:51
Speaker
I just would prefer if he would go do other things for an extended period of time. But it brings all of us so much joy. Why this one? Out of all the WCW guys, Vince could have been like, well, goddamn, I can make him into a star. Why not Sting? Why not DDP? We tried Sting. He died. Well, he was a little late to the dance. So that's kind of on you, Steve. Sorry. All right, we're doing it.
00:04:18
Speaker
Carrot put me through this shit one more time. Let's do it because I'm sure he's got a seven minute long fucking entrance I walk to the ring that I'm gonna have to narrate again, and I'm sure motherfucker still has gas on the tank So we're probably gonna have to do this again a little later in the year and hopefully it's hotter. I Hope it's way hotter. I hope at least if he's showing up and doing this stuff and ruining my life I hope it's at least difficult for him
00:04:41
Speaker
Saudi Arabia I will spear you on the surface of the fucking Sun what if he said that would that when would you be won over I mean I would get a little aroused the idea of Goldberg going to the Sun all right
Goldberg's Enduring Appeal & Nostalgia
00:04:57
Speaker
You ready to do this? I've got my thumb on the X button of my PlayStation 4. All right, friends. You're on your couch. You're ready. You're with us. You're in three hours. You're with us. Five minutes. 23 seconds. Hopefully you have a claw by now, too. Yeah, get a breakfast claw, morning claw, sunrise claw. Three, two, one, go.
00:05:26
Speaker
Does the graphic get you excited? Yes. Let's look at Bill Goldberg. Oh, we're running a video package here. Look at his name vibrating. And the Jeff Hardy fan apparently gives a shit. How much smackdown have you watched since it went to Fox? The first one. That's it. You didn't even try again. No. Well, it's on a Friday night. I usually have something going on.
00:05:56
Speaker
And wrestling apparently isn't one of those things. Hey, sometimes there's a GCW. I'm just saying, like, oh, that hurts. Speaking of Goldberg, I actually just saw an advertisement that Joey Ryan put up for a match he's doing tonight that is billed as Gilbert's last match. Really? Gilbert is doing one more. One more. He's got some gas left. Maybe I got one more ass kicking left in me.
00:06:25
Speaker
Look at that fuck! Is that what he said? Did he come out and say, maybe I have one more? For his fucking last Universal title run that he took from K.O., yes.
00:06:37
Speaker
The Fiend? Okay, I mean, we don't have the volume on. No. What was the story going into this? He was given a title opportunity. The Fiend made in front of him from the Firefly Fun House newsroom. You took the title off of this, gentlemen. How could you?
00:07:01
Speaker
I was actually excited as shit to see Goldberg's picture up on the wall back there with red X's over the eyes. That would have been a personal achievement of mine. You have the same photo hanging above the toilet. Yeah.
00:07:16
Speaker
In college, we had a photo, we had a headshot of Billy Bob Thornton from his country music career hanging above the toilet.
Criticism of Goldberg's Wrestling Style & Storylines
00:07:24
Speaker
Why? What's the end joke there? There wasn't, we just found it and hung it up. My roommate, I walked in and I found a piece of toilet paper taped over Billy Bob Thornton's eyes. I found out that one of my roommates, I won't say which one,
00:07:41
Speaker
was masturbating into the toilet because that was the best way to dispose of it and he didn't like Billy Bob looking at him. I don't know that you needed that information. I definitely didn't need any of that information. Okay, so they have spent months putting, see, this is the other thing that pisses me off about Goldberg. He no sells everything.
00:08:11
Speaker
Everything is like I'm tougher than you like Like he can't even he can't even can see like he can't express fear Like I would be my mind would be blown and I would start warming up to build gold. He's kind of shirt. I Hate that man. That's the new Goldberg guy Or like Brock Lesnar guy, but Saudi Arabia Goldberg guy. He's got a spot Look at this. The crowd's going nuts, man. I
00:08:39
Speaker
How can you say that somebody's bad when they bring that much joy to that many people? He's in a fucking, uh... W.C.W. What? I was hoping he was gonna come out. Okay, his abs were a little photoshopped. A little? A little. A little? Just a little. So was his chest hair. And his appendix scar.
00:09:00
Speaker
Oh man. That has to, was that recent? I don't, I don't, I've never noticed that about Goldberg. I don't follow his life. I don't know when he had his appendix taken out. I wish that he'd come out this time and just was fully bladed and just bleeding head to toe. Like these are people who are just excited that WWE is their period.
00:09:28
Speaker
Like, were these people watching WCW in 1997? They may have been. They got TNT. It was worldwide. Why do they make his fucking logo vibrate? Because it makes you feel... It has to be an indication of what you feel in your pants when this man walks out. Oh, shit. Well, they're doing the pyro and he's not out there yet.
00:09:56
Speaker
Now he's out there. Now hit him with it. Are you sure? There's a man there. Hit the goddamn button. I'm guessing they did the pyro early. He's like, I'm supposed to stay. He's waiting. He's waiting for something that's not going to come. Oh, that's that's fucking. I am just. Oh, last time I was here, I really stunk to join up.
00:10:27
Speaker
You know, honestly, they rewarded him! He had that match with Undertaker. They're like, we'll give you some redemption against Dolph Ziggler. And they're like, you did really, really good against Dolph Ziggler. Here's a title run. Are you telling me you don't think they do these just for us, for content? As long as they're- That would actually be an explanation I would understand, rather than thinking that this is a good idea.
00:10:54
Speaker
Vince is like, they haven't done an episode. They haven't done a predetermined episode about Goldberg in a couple months. Let's get some content out of those boys. I see that the bro sign up there and I saw that Matt Riddle posted a...
Experience of Attending Wrestling Events
00:11:08
Speaker
Do you notice there's a lot of people in the front row wearing like visors and sunglasses and shit?
00:11:15
Speaker
That is a, if you're going to a big WWE show in a stadium, you pretty much have to bring sunglasses. Cause there's a 90% chance that you're going to get blinded by some fucking light and not see any of the show overproduced horse shit. I've never, that's one thing I've never brought. Um, I don't have the problem if it's an indoor stadium, but if it's an outdoor stadium, you just as well bring sunglasses cause you're, you're getting blinded.
00:11:42
Speaker
I'm almost a little sad that we don't have the volume up because the fucking fiend's entrance is awesome. Every time. Ooh, spooky. They put so much effort into building this guy up. They had him seem like fucking Michael Myers unstoppable. But the thing is, if you have to have somebody to feed him, it should be a guy that nothing hurts him.
00:12:12
Speaker
Mr. No Cell, not afraid of no ghosts. I think if the payoff to this is that Matt Riddle's the one who takes the title from Goldberg, I'm down.
Anticipation for Goldberg vs. Roman Reigns
00:12:29
Speaker
Look at these lasers. Shit, I wasn't even gonna go to WrestleMania, but if we get Goldberg versus Roman Reigns, I'm fucking there. Spear versus spear? You're trolling me. I'm not trolling you. You're trolling me. I like Roman. He doesn't even bring the blue belt to the ring. He brings his face.
00:12:47
Speaker
But they have the blue belt ready, because Goldberg ain't carrying that shit around. He's like, I ain't touching it. Vince is like, well, whatever you say goes, Bill. But that is the belt. It's haunted. I'm not touching the haunted belt. I'm not showing that to my kid. I'll have nightmares. Well, then why are you here working to match? Doesn't your kid have nightmares about you? This is the best laser show I've ever seen. I love a good laser show. Like, look at this.
00:13:17
Speaker
That's
00:13:27
Speaker
Is this not the best laser train you've ever seen? The Fiend? Good. God, The Fiend just got a million dollar entrance. That's why he can afford to not have the title. See, this was, yeah, this was it. This was them saying, hey, sorry about it. I know things were good for a while. Obviously, you're seeing who your opponent is. Things aren't gonna be so good anymore. But how about that walk out?
00:13:57
Speaker
You really gotta go slow and really take this entrance in. Savor it, because this is the last few seconds of your Tyler reign. Those are sweet pants. I still feel like the carnies had those pants first. Do I think that Bray Wyatt actively stole some indie wrestler's pants? No.
00:14:28
Speaker
Are you a hold your phone up at an event kind of guy? I'm OK with like holding it up, getting a quick picture, maybe filming like a quick video. But would you be like one of the fireflies? Oh, I thought you meant like how am I with my phone out during the show? No, I meant like are you holding a phone up at an event kind of guy? Yes, 100%. I'm trying to remember what event I was just at that I held my phone up at.
00:14:57
Speaker
I mean, I've flat out been one of those guys before and a couple of his entrances. Oh yeah. Before he was the Fiend. Honestly, the coolest Bray Wyatt entrance I've seen was at Mania 32 in Dallas. The one where there was like 100,000. I'm air quoting 100,000 people.
00:15:21
Speaker
Yeah, that was a lot of cell phones that I mean they had all the lights off and that lit the entire place up and that's pretty awesome. He looks badass. It just sucks that he's up against a guy who's not afraid of him. Why isn't he afraid of him? Because he's Bill Goldberg and he has a very good record. I think
00:15:47
Speaker
He should go to AEW where that shit's actually... Do you see him chomping that gum? He doesn't give a fuck. What kind of gum do you think Gaville Goldberg chomps? He's such a cool character and they're just about to murder him!
00:16:01
Speaker
This is the equivalent of Busta Rhymes getting the final blow to Michael Myers in the Halloween franchise. It is! Oh my god! That's the name of the episode! This is absolutely that. A 50-year-old fucking has been who gets gassed just doing his entrance is about to beat a guy who spent over two years working on this.
00:16:26
Speaker
I don't care. I don't care that you're young and this company needs stars. Fuck you. I'm taking your title. You act like this is Goldberg's fault. Yes. He got offered a shitload of money. Yes. You look cool. And he could have said no and went home. Do you think he has like, he doesn't give a fuck about what's going on storyline wise? I know. I'm allowed to be mad at guys who don't give a fuck about the show.
00:16:56
Speaker
I'm allowed that. I know that Bill Goldberg has never once in his career thought, I need to make this guy. He is not even pretending like Bray Wyatt's a monster. The stare down. Is he trying to do the Rock Hogan thing? This is a moment. This is the Rock versus Hogan. This is a match that iconic.
00:17:25
Speaker
I'm gonna take my jacket off. Spear! One! Two! Kicks out at one. Look at this. Look at this reaction. Look at this stupid shit. Yeah, fucking rip his tongue out. Let me just jaws him. Pulls his bottom jaw. That would be fucking... Sorry guys, I don't wanna say what I was gonna say.
00:17:53
Speaker
If that happened, you would be down on the floor like Jizz doing the worm. Yeah. Because you can't wrestle with that a lower, Joe. Just that tongue flapping. He does that anyway, so how would it be any different? Spare. I don't see why. Why don't you like that? He's cool. How old is he for real, though? He's in his 50s.
00:18:27
Speaker
Fuck you, Bray Wyatt. Oh, why? I really don't know how this turns out. Is this actually a squash match? I'm watching it in real time with you, man. I'm not used to this. People don't. The only thing that makes the Fiend magic in this is that he kicks out of the spear three times, but the fourth one will get him.
00:18:56
Speaker
It ain't the spirit of- You're weakening him! Oh! Were those teeth? That was- I'm sure that was the gum. My fucking juicy fruit, you motherfucker! My fu- You think Goldberg's a juicy fruit guy? Well, he sure as shit isn't like 16 pieces of zebra stripe. It's not five gum.
00:19:38
Speaker
And he wins with a vertical suplex. That wasn't even a vertical suplex. Here's the problem right now. That was so quick and nothing happened. And remember how mad people were when Kofi lost to Lesnar? This might have been a little worse. Does that blue belt already have the Goldberg logos on it?
00:20:09
Speaker
No, it has fiend faces. Wait, the fiend is standing. Look at the mirror. Or the screen behind him. The mirror. Mirror. Look at the mirror! Yeah, I see him. He's back there. Is he furious that this is how this bullshit ended? So you were able to stand up immediately, but you couldn't kick out of that bullshit fucking jackhammer? Well, this is Bray Wyatt no-selling and just screaming at him like, you gave me the shittiest... It's done?
00:20:42
Speaker
Oh, what spooky? Hmm. Hmm. What's security doing to the front row right now? Children are scared.
00:21:00
Speaker
Why is the ring barricade so uneven? So is that it? Like, that's the end? Like he basically turned his back to Freddy Krueger and Freddy Krueger realized that he isn't real and disappeared? Yeah. That's great storytelling. Hey, I mean, it was the end of Nightmare on Elm Street and that worked just fine. Why not? What a fucking tragedy. It is not a tragedy. This is a tragedy. You've got to use the classics.
00:21:26
Speaker
It's an ending. Not everything gets to be a troll job. This is just bad. Yeah. If I have to shut down just giving you bullshit on this one. Why?
00:21:40
Speaker
Here's the thing, and I'll say this, knowing full well I'll never be in the position that these professional athletes are. Why would, oh, well I guess they have to show a replay of that. If you're Bray, when you walk back through the curtain and see Vince, how are you gonna be like, you happy boss? You have to look at him and just give a look like, you're dumb as shit. Go have fun with your football league, you fuck. Is Vince even at this one? He has to be.
00:22:10
Speaker
Oh, here's some more pyro bill. Doesn't even care. This is where you're supposed to point at the WrestleMania sign. He's there one. I mean, like as a joke, but you got to hold up, hold the title up. You fuck. Look at the camera. He's Brett Hart revealing the title, the AEW title where he just keeps turning away from the camera every time.
00:22:38
Speaker
That's fucking hilarious. Well, Hey, our truth is up next on the WWE network. That's probably better. Yeah. He seems like a great guy and he's the same age as Bill Goldberg and can go. This is for his kid. This is the, this, this moment happened because Bill Goldberg has a child. That is a bummer main event. That's how the show ended for a moment. Humor me.
00:23:06
Speaker
I can't think of his name off the top of my head. Bray Wyatt. Yes. He got himself over multiple times in WWE. His effort and being great on the mic got him over multiple times.
WWE's Reliance on Nostalgia
00:23:24
Speaker
And every time he got super over, they did nothing with him. They fed him to somebody.
00:23:33
Speaker
Think about the run he got this time. And then he disappeared for a while, came back with this gimmick. By the way, this is the other thing. The Fiend merch is selling super well. So this doesn't even pass the test of like, well, he's not making money. He's making money. It's just WrestleMania season, and Vince doesn't believe that any of his current talent can sell the show, which is funny because
00:23:58
Speaker
I don't think the talent sell the show at all. Anyway, I think it's the event. WrestleMania sells out regardless. It's WrestleMania. Yeah. Like whatever the fucking card is. So I don't know why you're like not even trying. How are they going? Somebody made this point yesterday online. I thought it was spot on. They are in 2020 selling 20 year old nostalgia. What are they going to sell in 20 years from now?
00:24:25
Speaker
What nostalgia are they going to sell? They haven't made anybody. Yes, they have. We've got Roman Reigns. He's going to come kill your favorite guy 20 years from now. But even Roman Reigns isn't on the set. Like John Cena was like a superstar. Yeah. Like transcend, like do like Gillette commercials and shit. Even Roman Reigns isn't that. Seth Rollins isn't doing a Gillette commercial. No.
00:24:49
Speaker
Well, because they've got beards. Vince McMahon is better at football than he is at professional wrestling. Let that sink in. Take a drink. Think about it. Sip a claw to the working man. Not this week, baby. You got today off.
00:25:06
Speaker
It is. Yep. Vacation. Vacation. Well, hopefully revolution turns out better for us than that. Oh my God. Cause the under, at least the Undertaker Goldberg match was so bocce that it was funny. This had just one botch, but after he took that first spear he took, they were about two feet apart. And you have a hard time believing that hurts. He didn't have enough momentum to get going. Yeah. But here's the thing that shows the power of Bill Goldberg.
00:25:39
Speaker
Derek, I need to quit giving you shit on this one. He needs to hang it up. To everyone who's listening to this, including our friends, the curtain jerks, no. No, no, no, no, no. I'm going to pull up the exact tweet that I received this morning.
Personal Dislike for Goldberg & Future Hopes
00:25:55
Speaker
You want to hear this? Yeah. You don't know what this is. No, I don't. So this morning I woke up three hours ago.
00:26:03
Speaker
from the curtain jerks with the tweet that Jimmy facts thinks that Derek or Halloween Hoppin feels about Goldberg the same way a prepubescent boy feels about his girl neighbor. He has to play up the hate to deal with his developing feelings.
00:26:18
Speaker
That's basically what I was telling you. Yes, it is what you were telling me and you're all wrong. If at this point you haven't quite figured out, this is a 20 plus year relationship of wanting a guy to just go away. He's my neighbor that doesn't fucking do all of the things that make him a good neighbor. He's part of your friend group, but you don't want him there. He's not even a part of my friend group. He's the guy that shows up when my friend group is hanging out at the mall and thinks he's part of my friend group.
00:26:48
Speaker
You definitely always planning around not telling Goldberg where you're gonna be. And he shows up anyway. But he catches you there. Yeah. We'll go to the theater this, not the AMC this week. Fucking Goldberg shows up. Look at this. I'm sorry. I don't even know what to say. We're at the end. Been doing this for nearly 30 minutes. Goldberg stunk up the place. He's our champion. He's definitely gonna
00:27:18
Speaker
beat Roman Reigns. I can say with complete confidence that regardless of what I see tomorrow at AEW revolution, Orange Cassidy versus Pac is going to be substantially better than that shit that we just watched. Yeah, no that I mean, Orange Cassidy versus Pac is going to be amazing. Orange Cassidy versus Goldberg with Orange Cassidy going over. I would watch
00:27:42
Speaker
Okay, that is a Goldberg match you would want to watch, but can you think of an actual... Is there somebody that you would legitimately like to see against Bill Goldberg in a match? Yes. Father time. Is that Vince? I don't know, I just wanted to fucking go away. Just go away, Bill.
00:28:08
Speaker
All right, everybody. Thanks for listening to this bonus zone. Watch along. We're going to hopefully have some more of these coming up. We've got more content coming this weekend. Trust me. But yeah, if you give us a follow on social media at Russell, hang out on Twitter and Facebook at predetermined podcast on Instagram. I'm at Gartet. Derek is at Halloween helping predetermined podcast at Gmail dot
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00:28:30
Speaker
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00:28:39
Speaker
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