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Episode 120: Do it E. Honda!
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Introduction and Casual Banter
00:00:36
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, a man who I'm pretty sure found his smile today. Derek Halpin. I found a smile and a whole bunch of adult beverages today, my friend. Which did you find first?
00:00:55
Speaker
I've been drinking Goose Island's famous 312 urban wheat ale since about noon today. And for the last half hour, 45 minutes, I've been sucking back some of that fine California champagne out of the bottle, straight out of the fucking bottle. No champagne glasses necessary. So this could have easily turned into sad drinking.
00:01:23
Speaker
Right. No no no no no no no no no. I mean I guess I've been like I said I've been drinking beers but honestly like I had lunch and that kind of took away some of the intoxication when I had pizza delivered to me. But then but then when I guess you if I'll let you I'll let you do the honors of explaining the situation why this is such a big thing for me.
00:01:49
Speaker
Well, from what I understand, because you're asking me to explain something I don't fully understand myself. But I know- That's my favorite thing to do on this show. Yeah, mostly wrestling. I don't get it. So today was baseball day.
Baseball Fever: White Sox in the Playoffs
00:02:06
Speaker
Today was baseball day for me.
00:02:08
Speaker
For Derek, it was in the White Sox and the entire White Sox organization. And from what I understand, you have clenched a spot in the playoffs for the first time since we were juniors in college. Since 2008.
00:02:24
Speaker
There was a tweet that went out earlier from MLB. I think Dark Knight and Twilight were like the top movies of that time period. I think Flo Rida was a big deal starting out back then. Still is. Still is. Still getting those WWE spots from time to time. See, you could have named any rapper, but you named one that we can get back to wrestling.
00:02:49
Speaker
Yes, this is not my first rodeo. We know what the job is here. For the first time in 12 years, my favorite baseball team is in the playoffs, and I'm very happy about it. And that came to fruition 30, 45 minutes ago. We are recording on Thursday today. So this one's coming out a little late. It's a little late. I don't think they'll mind considering how long they had to wait for the last one.
00:03:19
Speaker
Like this, this is barely noticeable by comparison. Well, I would love to crack a claw in your honor right now. Just, uh, I'm glad you got your smile back. I got my smile back. I get to be HBK coming back from my summer break. Cheers, buddy. So you, uh, you had the bottle of champagne ready to go just in case.
00:03:40
Speaker
I bought the bottle of champagne when I got off of work yesterday. And I didn't know if I was going to get to crack it open yesterday. I was hoping that they would take care of business yesterday and clinch last night. But that was not the case. And then I thought that the game they played today against the team I hate the most out of every sport across the board, the Minnesota Twins, they've been playing a four game set against them the last few days.
00:04:07
Speaker
I fucking hate that team, but I was hoping they would clinch last night. I thought they were playing them again today, but I thought they were playing them tonight at 7 p.m. It wasn't till I got like up and showered and got settled and started watching AEW Dynamite for this podcast that I realized, oh, shit, they play a 110 game today. All right. That changes things a little bit. And we were losing for a majority of the game. And I think it was the seventh seventh or eighth inning.
00:04:35
Speaker
We pushed across a couple runs, took the lead and never looked back. And yeah, White Sox are heading to the 2020 MLB postseason. I got my smile back. I'm a happy camper.
AEW Wrestling Highlights and Analysis
00:04:45
Speaker
And I'm ready to talk about that fucking AEW Dynamite main event. Oh, I'm so excited. So you did get a chance to watch the main event then. I watched the whole show, Garrett. Oh, good. I watched. I watched all of Dynamite.
00:05:02
Speaker
And it was a great show, but that main event, come on, man, that was one of the best main events they've had, right? I don't think it would be a stretch to say that that's one of the best, and I put this in air quotes because you can't see it, one of the best street fights we've seen in a while, and that's everything that that fucking Velveteen Dream Adam Cole fight from a couple months ago was supposed to be, but wasn't.
00:05:32
Speaker
fucking Santana Ortiz and best friends tearing the house down out on cold concrete and cars that absolutely nobody is fucking driving in 2020. Half of those cars, you know, were brought in as props. And there was one car. There was one car that they got thrown into that I'm like, that was the wrong one. You probably shouldn't have gotten thrown into that one. Somebody's upset that they now have a dent in their trunk or their hood.
00:05:58
Speaker
But no, there were a couple cars that looked like a junker that one of our classmates would have had back in high school parked around there. There's no way that thing is still running. And yet it was there to be used as a weapon. God, I started to feel bad for Ortiz after a little bit when they had him under the hood of that car and were just doing sent on after sent on.
00:06:20
Speaker
How did you feel about Santana or Ortiz coming out painted as that as that blacklight gang from Batman Forever. Oh they were painted up as the dead presidents from that movie.
00:06:36
Speaker
Well, that shows how culturally up-to-date I am. I'm thinking about stuff from 1995. Hey, and don't worry, dead presidents is from, like, 96, so it's in the same... Oh, it's not that bad. I just missed out on that one. No, it's an old reference anyway. There's no reason for you to have gotten that. I thought mine was pretty cool. Nobody thinks about that gang anymore. Man, did that feel like a GCW match to you?
00:07:03
Speaker
I don't know if it felt like a GCW match. I know that there was a ton of stuff that happened in that match. I know that when the match started I thought man are they really going to go all out for this because I do remember specifically early on Trent whacked one of Santana Ortiz with that long fucking whatever you would call it a plank and fucking popped up and hit him in the face. And he took an extended amount of time to wipe his eye area. And I thought man
00:07:33
Speaker
What do you do when you're a pro wrestler if you hit somebody with a plank and it pops back up and you get a splinter in your eyelid? Do you tell the ref you're done? Because I would. Well, I can tell you for sure. I would start hitting the time out. Like I would be making the tea with my hands.
00:07:48
Speaker
And uh, get, but it's not even visually stimulating. It's not visually stimulating as a fan. Like it's one thing if a guy takes like a power bomb to the ring apron and it goes awry and they have to throw up the X and they're like, Oh shit. He really fucking hurt himself. But when you just kind of have a piece of wood hit you in the face and you go, I'm done, I'm hurt. And that didn't happen. Trent continued on, but I did think, man, if I got a splinter in my eye, that'd be the end of the match.
00:08:16
Speaker
Well, uh, Trent, you know, he did, he was a little worse for wear by the end. Trent was covered in blood. Just remind me, but we're going to talk about this for a bit, obviously, because there's a lot of things to break down. We're going to break this down the way the NFL breaks down one game for like a week. There's a lot of stuff to talk about in here. Um,
00:08:39
Speaker
I do, don't let me forget about how they get away at the end of the match. I don't want to, there's something I want to comment on. Everybody was thinking it, but I want to make sure it gets said. Okay.
00:08:51
Speaker
Okay, yeah, Trent got the fuck beat out of him. I think Trent was the one who got the catapult into the fucking back of the truck. Oh, the tailgate of the truck, yeah. Yeah, I remember thinking like, I don't think, I didn't want to sound like a cliche wrestling fan, but part of me was thinking like, you can't fake that. How do you fake taking a fucking tailgate to the face? I don't know why I put on my Southern voice for that. You become Southern when you defend pro wrestling.
00:09:22
Speaker
I don't think that's, I'm certain. Jim Cornette's probably offended that I made the wrestling fan a Southerner, but at the same time he's like, wrestling's a Southern thing, so I get it. I'm in the South, it's okay. Are you a Southerner? I have a home here. I think I officially am. I want to talk to the locals and see if they would sign off on you. Does he seem like a guy who eats Nashville hot chicken frequently? All the time.
00:09:52
Speaker
We've seen him go to a fucking Popeyes a lot too. That doesn't count. Well. Well. That's a good chicken sandwich. I don't fault you. That's why you need to move back north. You're a fucking Yankee at heart buddy boy. But yeah no fucking Trent.
00:10:13
Speaker
Trent took some abuse, and that's not to say that Chuck didn't take some abuse too. The sound of those punches from Santana when he was backed up against the trunk of that car sounded pretty hard. Not as hard as him getting Trent getting that power bomb through the windshield though.
00:10:33
Speaker
Well, we got to talk about that because, yes, when he rolled over and you saw that glisten across his back, never mind the couple of streaks of blood, but then a little while later, lots of blood on his back. And you got to appreciate Bryce Rimsburg's face. The referee did such a great job of selling that Fortrent.
00:10:56
Speaker
Can we talk about how if you're in a in a fight, what you need to do to make sure that you have the upper hand later on is you need to take a steel baton and you need to hide it on top of a car tire so that you can just slide your hand and violate the car's sanctity. Take that and then whack your. See, here's the thing. You'll see wrestlers do the thing in fights where they hit a guy with a weapon and then like as soon as they hit them, they drop it.
00:11:25
Speaker
Like you don't have to get rid of it, dude. There's nothing in the rules that says you can only hit once and then you're done. Yeah. Put that shit back in your pocket. I know that if it was a wrestling video game and you got a weapon and we were playing each other, you would just wail on me for five minutes. Well, I was there to win. Well, apparently Santana Ortiz or not. So with, with the character reputation that Santana Ortiz have, I mean, they really built them up as a couple of
00:11:55
Speaker
Fucking thugs ready to kick some ass, but fucking best friends who show up in a minivan looked pretty tough too in this match Chuck doesn't always look tough But he is he's a tough boy at heart He's well go back to Trent for a second Trent not only took the powerbomb through the windshield but he also took right before that a powerbomb on the hood of the car and
00:12:19
Speaker
Yes, and then back on the opposite side, Chuck took a splash on the hood of the car or on the top. Yes. Yeah. Yes. Goodness gracious. No, we got to talk about the spot that everyone's been retweeting videos and gifts of. You put a man in a trunk and then you leave part of him hanging out of the trunk and then you splash him.
00:12:46
Speaker
You do a senton once and then a splat. I think I don't know. I just know that Chuck Chuckety and Trent fucking mangled a man whose limbs were sticking out of a trunk. Yeah, it was gross. That was what I was talking about. Yeah. OK, so you said what did you have to say about the end of this match? Because speaking of trucks. So.
00:13:11
Speaker
Best friends win the match. And again, if I was gonna put you through anything wooden, wouldn't you be like, oh man, what if it breaks the wrong way and I take a fucking piece of wood in my taint or something like that? You'd be worried about that. Constantly worried about the taint. Well, that was not a concern because fucking Trent, what's the name of that move? Crunchy. Were they fucking, the crunchy?
00:13:41
Speaker
Anyways, through the fucking, that's gotta be a half inch plywood. That was an important point. Most wrestling announcers would not get into the details of how thick or thin the wood is, but for some reason, they felt it necessary. And when I was like, oh, it's only a half inch. Maybe if it was an inch, I'd be concerned. Wasn't that door used at one point during this match? Yeah. Wasn't there a spear? There was a spear through a door into the front of a car.
00:14:09
Speaker
So so the fucking best friends win this match. Trent's back is fucked up obviously from the power bomb through the car windshield and as they're getting into so Trent's mom shows up in a new minivan and they get in the minivan and all I'm thinking is Trent's about to sit in that fucking brand new minivan and his bloody back is going to be fucking coding that seat.
00:14:35
Speaker
in a brand new vehicle and that is a fucking shame. I was worried about the upholstery. I was a little concerned about that too, but I felt good when they got in the car and I saw Orange Cassidy put his seatbelt on. I missed that. Orange Cassidy was like, gotta be safe. Even though we're driving away at five miles an hour. And what's Trent's mom's name, Sue? Yeah.
00:15:03
Speaker
Yeah, well she definitely flipped. How did you feel about the Orange Cassidy spot? It made me a little bummed that they needed him to win the match, but I was happy that he showed up. And his Superman punch is the
Wrestling Stars: Success Stories and Rankings
00:15:17
Speaker
orange punch. The orange punch. With a chain wrapped around his fist. Which is funny, my fantasy scenario is to have fucking Corey Graves accidentally call it the orange punch on SmackDown when Roman Reigns does it.
00:15:33
Speaker
But does this kind of like I mean I don't know we were talking about it last week but like I don't know where Orange Cassidy goes from here but he's still getting some serious play if he's making a main event spot to help his team win. Yeah. And honestly as it was when I found out that was going to be the main event of the show I was so excited. I was so happy for Chuck and Trent.
00:15:57
Speaker
And they pick up the W. Yes. So where do they get another tag team title shot? Is it them versus FTR now? Bring that shit on. I want it. I need another parking lot brawl though, because didn't they originally call somebody out in the parking lot months ago and we just now finally got that parking lot fight?
00:16:17
Speaker
They called them out for a fight in the parking lot last week No, but I understand but I mean like at the beginning of quarantine They called somebody out in a parking lot fight and it just never happened. I Don't remember this it may have been the lucha bros or something and then they weren't around I don't remember
00:16:38
Speaker
Well, COVID's fucked up a lot of things, but we finally got the parking lot brawl that we deserve. Did you ever watch the John Cena versus Eddie Guerrero parking lot brawl? I don't think I did. That's another famous one that was really, really good. This brought back memories of that, but this was fucking phenomenal and easily the best parking lot fight I've ever seen. That makes me really happy to hear. And just to know that Chuck Taylor was a part of it, it warms my heart.
00:17:06
Speaker
Doesn't it make you feel good when you see these guys that just a couple of years ago you were supporting at the Indy level and ROH and now they're main eventing on TNT and delivering? Right before the town comes on, before people are tuning in to watch the Ben Affleck Jeremy Renner movie, they're getting to see the end of Chuck Taylor fighting somebody. I love it.
00:17:31
Speaker
I was a little pissed off. I saw Eddie Kingston wearing a Kansas City Royals jersey this week. What the fuck's up with that? Yeah, he didn't seem like... Is he from Kansas City? I don't know, but it definitely got heel heat with me. Fucking... Can I tell you a weird thing that involves the podcast a little bit? Tell me. I had a sip of this fine lager. That's an ale, my bad.
00:17:59
Speaker
So I have been looking for jobs, and one job that I was applying to was actually a radio job, and I had to use an audio example. And do you know how weird it is to use this podcast as an audio example of my voice? Weren't you kind of planning on doing that when we got this thing started a few years ago, though? Yeah, but I didn't consider all the times that we said jizz and fuck.
00:18:23
Speaker
You text this piece of information to me earlier today, and all I could think was, did you use a clip from when we call a human male semen? Because that happens a lot. At that point, that happening is like 20% of this podcast. Speaking of Jizz, I don't know if you saw this, but the PWI 500 came out. Did he crack the list? He's on the list, but you knew who's ahead of him.
00:18:54
Speaker
Dolph Ziggler? Nick fucking Gage. Like immediately ahead of him? Not directly ahead. I was very proud of- That would be a really, I would swear somebody working at PWI was a fan of this show if it was fucking Jizz and then immediately Nick Gage. They were like, they'll notice this when they get to this part of the list. So did you see, have you seen Nick Gage's clothing line that he put out since he's been hurt?
00:19:25
Speaker
What? Yeah, Nick Gage has a clothing line now. MDK all day. You look shocked right now. Well, the man's hurt. He needs to have some income coming in. Right now, I'm watching Derek think about this clothing line. He doesn't know what to say. Doesn't P. Did he have a clothing line? Probably.
00:19:55
Speaker
Diddy pants. I'm just trying to think of all the people that Nick Gage is now competing with to clothe people. Hanes, Fruit of the Loom. I decided that, you know, because I'm such a big Nick Gage fan, I am also gang affiliated and I need people to know that I'm gang affiliated. So I bought a hat that in a really nice font says murder, death, kill.
00:20:22
Speaker
And I'm not gonna lie, it's been over a month and I've still not got any tracking information on this hat. And I'm a little fucking scared to email them and complain. Is this a test? Remember how upset you were? Do you remember how upset you were when Ally didn't send you the shirt that you wanted, Ally Cat? Also, she cracked the, for the first time ever, she ended up in the PWI top 500. She made 110 on her first go.
00:20:51
Speaker
Really? Yeah. Good for her. I think that's awesome. That's really high up on the list. Yeah, even though she still owes me a shirt. For a long time, it seemed like anytime I tweeted at her, I would get a like. The last year, ever since we saw her work in the merchandise stand at that two cup stuff show, I don't know if she's friendly. You hooked her up with a white claw a little over a year ago.
00:21:21
Speaker
That's true. You do realize you ran back to your car to get her a warm claw. Yep. And now she's making the big time with the PWI list. Oh, take a guess. Okay, somebody you know, not personally, but a wrestler you enjoy did crack the list finally. They were number 500.
00:21:46
Speaker
They were literally the last one. They were literally the last one. And I will... And it's somebody I like. Is it Danhausen? Not Danhausen, I think he's higher than that. He better be. He better be, yeah. Is it somebody I've seen at freelance? Yes. He does fall into the ND Avengers. Warhorse? No, it's gotta be higher than that. Warhorse is way higher than that. Yeah.
00:22:14
Speaker
Dan the dad. Dan the dad came in at number 500. Dan the dad is number 500. Fuck yes there is some justice in this world. 2020 postseason and Dan the dad is making the fucking PWI 500. Also Dan the dad has a show named after him at the collective.
00:22:37
Speaker
Really? Yeah, they're doing a show for Glory Pro, which I don't wanna- I'm always afraid to say that something's out of St. Louis now. Because of those fucking guys. The Jim Nasty Boys.
00:22:49
Speaker
Every time I think about them, I get upset now. I saw pictures of them. I saw pictures of them the other day and they had more suggestive attire on. And I remember thinking like, when I saw the picture, I remember thinking like, and you thought that Garrett was the bad guy. You're sending mixed signals. I shouldn't have been speculating, but I will, you know what? I won't buy a shirt from them now. No, fuck them.
00:23:20
Speaker
If anything, I'm going to wait for somebody else to buy a shirt from them and then I'm going to steal that shirt and defile it. We don't need to apologize to those guys. But on the worry about them showing up in NXT here in a year or anything. Is there anybody that you're wondering about though on the PWI list? Cause I went ahead and got the magazine so that we could go through a few of these. Um, let me think of some of the people I've seen.
00:23:48
Speaker
But you said Dan Housin and Ali Kat and JP Warhorse are on there. We now know that Dan the dad, justifiably so, is on the list. Do you know who's number one? Is it gonna make me mad? It better not be Braun Strowman. No, no, no, no, it's not Braun Strowman. It's somebody that makes sense to be number one. Is it Moxley? It's Moxley. That makes sense.
00:24:15
Speaker
There's probably a lot of people that have feelings about that though. Top 10 we got, I'll just read them in order of one to 10. Moxley, Adam Cole, Chris Jericho, Drew McIntyre, Tetsuya Naito, Kazuchiko Okada, Cody Rhodes, Seth Rollins, Kofi Kingston, and AJ Styles.
00:24:41
Speaker
Oh, I don't really go year to year and scrutinize this fucking list. But has AJ, I take that back. I was gonna say something about AJ Styles, but the talk of the town for months has been that fucking boneyard match. So who am I to yell? That's true. What's Kofi done though in the last year? Not a knock on Kofi, but he was the heavyweight champion.
00:25:06
Speaker
Yeah, like a year ago. But wasn't that within the, that was within the last year of the PWI list. When did SmackDown go on Fox? I can't remember, was this in the middle, was this in the dead of winter? I don't remember the season. Was there, were you drinking a pumpkin spice latte when SmackDown went on to Fox? I was not.
00:25:34
Speaker
I do feel a little judged. For those who don't know, I do work pretty early in the morning. And when I get in, I have a Dunkin Donuts attached to where I work. Every morning now, I have a iced coffee with a little pumpkin swirl added in there. So I am what the kids on the street may call a basic bitch. That's fine. When I think of Halloween, I immediately think of you before I think of anything else.
Halloween Nostalgia and Candy Chat
00:26:02
Speaker
Oh my god, that's the best thing anybody's ever said to me. Yeah, so you can have pumpkin spice whatever you want year round. I agree, fuck them. You know what I had for dessert last night? Halloween Oreos, man. Do they taste different or are they just orange? Since I was a kid, I don't think they taste different, but my mind tells me that they do.
00:26:32
Speaker
They taste a little more like fall. Do you remember we went trick-or-treating as kids and I seem to remember one year you having a Richard Nixon mask as your Halloween costume. What movie is that from? That was Point Break. I was one of the ex-presidents.
00:26:54
Speaker
Wasn't a political statement. I just want to know how old you were making a point break reference. I mean grade school. Are you questioning my parents judgment by letting me see point break. These were the same parents who had no problem letting you watch many a horror movie but wouldn't let you watch speed. Yeah that'll never make sense. Or Beavis and Butthead do America.
00:27:24
Speaker
Which I think that if we play out the rest of humanity, we will find out that that movie is actually a top five comedy of all time. I can't argue with that. I think that movie holds up incredibly.
00:27:39
Speaker
That has been the, that has been the conversation at work for a month now, our lines from that movie. Um, but yeah, no, I was going to say as far as this is a weird discussion to have in the middle of a pro wrestling podcast. I just had this conversation with my, with my special lady last night while we were eating these Halloween Oreos. She said, I swear to God, they taste different than the regular ones. And I said, it's a placebo effect. They're more visually stimulating. So you think that they taste better, but
00:28:07
Speaker
If that's all it takes for them to taste better, more power to them. I just remember when we were younger, the, the orange Oreo cream didn't come with the special design on the cookie. It was just the orange Oreo cream and a regular Oreo. And when you would go trick or treating at Halloween, some houses had the little, whatever the four or five pack of cookies that you could get. That seems like a good treat.
00:28:34
Speaker
it absolutely was you know what it was like when you would get home from trick-or-treating you dump out that fucking bag where you've got like the little ball of popcorn and some candy corns a little box of dots and like you're like what family buys fucking almond joys oh I guess that family did and then you'd have the fucking holy grail which is somebody hooked you up with five fucking black and orange Oreos
00:28:56
Speaker
It was like you had a pantry in your bedroom and your parents didn't even know about it. They're letting you do a rail right there. Right there. So I associate black and orange Oreos with my childhood and every year it seems like I go through like five or six bags of Halloween Oreos. That maybe more than anything is what makes me Halloween helping.
00:29:21
Speaker
Your Oreo consumption? My Oreo consumption every year keeps that fucking industry alive. You're welcome, Nabisco. You heard it here. I want to look at this list some more. We can look at the list some more, but I do have questions I want to interview you on. Okay, no, go ask them.
00:29:48
Speaker
Do you know what it's like to be living your life? Thinking like that you kind of have a pretty good grasp of what your friend, what your best friend and podcast co-host is all about. And then suddenly to get a text that says, I'm going to tune into Monday Night Raw. I want to see what's going on.
WWE Thunderdome Curiosity and Fan Experiences
00:30:08
Speaker
You're a sick fuck at heart. That is a Hulk Hogan wrestling buddy behind you on the bed.
00:30:17
Speaker
We're zooming right now for those who can't see what's going on, which is everybody, because this is all audio. Garrett, why do you have a racist sleeping in your bed? Why is he the champ? Do you really? Yeah. A little Dwayne Johnson. Where do you get a little Dwayne Johnson? I think I got a little Dwayne Johnson at Kmart in Los Angeles. And now he's a Southerner too.
00:30:48
Speaker
He made the trip with me. He's whistling Dixie, as they say. No, I have racist Hulk Hogan sitting behind me because I had racist Hulk Hogan as a kid. That was one of my favorite toys. And I think my mom threw it away and I asked about it. And she surprised me with one a few years back. I think she found it on eBay. So she got you a new one because she felt bad.
00:31:14
Speaker
Yeah, if she had known she had thrown a racist away, she probably would have just left him in the trash. What was your reaction? I was so excited.
00:31:29
Speaker
Garrett, your mom is a decent human being. Like, this was an act of kindness. And I know people are judging at home, like, why do you got a stuffed racist? It's nostalgia, people. That's what I just got done telling you about with the Halloween Oreos. It's OK. We can push away some of the bad memories just to smile for now. You. That's like, if you have a Pee Wee Herman doll behind me, it's like, why do you have that masturbator back there?
00:31:58
Speaker
What's wrong with what he did? Nothing. I have no issues with him. Thank you, Christ. It was a little lewd.
00:32:07
Speaker
to do it in public. That was the crime. He wasn't doing anything that everybody else in that theater wasn't doing as well. He was doing it famous. He was doing it while famous. That was the crime. You can jerk off in a porno theater, but you can't do it if you're famous. Those are the rules. Especially if you grow your hair out like he did. It was creepy. It was a little creepy, Paul. Sorry.
00:32:36
Speaker
You know, Paul Rubens had a couple of guest spots on Raw. And speaking of Raw, what fucking inspired you this week to bury your face in motorboat Monday Night Raw? I realized I hadn't watched it since pretty much the beginning of quarantine. Yeah. And I, you know, I realized every little bit, I got to check back in and see what they're up to. And I realized I missed some of the wrestlers when I checked back in.
00:33:05
Speaker
What was the takeaway this week other than then you want us to appear on the Thunderdome? I want us to appear on the Thunderdome And I don't see why I don't see why that's such a big issue for you You're a man my whole life you're a man who when he sees something that he wants you won't let it go and
00:33:32
Speaker
Are we allowed to be in the Thunderdome together? Are you allowed to have like two heads in one frame? We would have to be next to each other, like in reality, which is, I mean, I mean, if you want to travel up here, by all means. I mean, Kenny Omega's been in the Thunderdome.
00:33:47
Speaker
I can't wait. Has he really? Yeah, he's tuned into the Thunderdome and there was actually a video of Kenny Omega in the background cheering in an episode of Raw or Smackdown. What match was going on while Kenny Omega was cheering? I have no idea. I am a little worried though of how it seems like they want you to act in the Thunderdome. They want you to act as if you're in the arena.
00:34:13
Speaker
which is just like fist pumping. That's not what you do in an arena. Garrett I've never once sat beside you at a show. It's all you do that. Well what am I doing. Yes. He took to the people who were listening to this podcast. Garrett is fist pumping with both fists. Not like he's at a rock concert but like he's at a wrestling show and having a really good time. But this is now leading me to question whether he's ever gone to a wrestling show and had a good time because I've never seen him do that.
00:34:42
Speaker
I kind of think of it more as like I look like, they want you to look like a background person in Street Fighter. How it's just two fist pumping in the air. Fucking get it on. I'm fist pumping now too. Do it Ehanda. So you watch Monday Night Raw for the first time and over a fortnight and what are your takeaways other than you want to be on a little video board?
00:35:10
Speaker
Ricochet needs to get the fuck out of there. Oh, and he just tweeted out not that long ago that he's fucking staying using that Wolf of Wall Street gif. What Wolf of Wall Street gif? The one I'm not fucking leaving, the show goes on. What is he getting out of being there? Probably a ton of money. I could just insert a name and I could say the same thing about every...
00:35:38
Speaker
What are you getting out of being there? And they probably would all lean in and look at me and say, a pretty nice fucking paycheck. What are you doing, bitch? And I would say, touche. And honestly, if Bobby Lashley called me bitch, it would fuck me up. You got your first taste of the whole retribution storyline. Yeah, so who is in that? Is it Dijak?
00:36:08
Speaker
I don't know, the rumor is there's a bunch of NXT people under masks, and they've been fucking shit up on both shows for over a month, close to two months. Well, I was trying to figure out who was under the masks, and I thought I saw Mia Yem, I thought I saw Dijak, but I couldn't tell who else was in that mix. Yeah, but they fuck with the lights. For two months? Yes, this has been an ongoing thing. They blew up a generator, Garrett. That's pretty cool.
00:36:38
Speaker
Yeah. Garrett's new favorite stable. Property destruction. Property destruction really gets Garrett off. That's why he liked that fucking street. The fucking parking lot, bro. I see they're really they're really pushing Dominic.
00:37:00
Speaker
yeah no they were that's funny I can't imagine being one of the guys that's been on the road for the last seven years like trying to like impress Vince and then Vince is just like this is Ray Mysterio's kid he looks nothing like Ray Mysterio because he's not wearing a mask but he's our next superstar shoot him to the moon
00:37:19
Speaker
I don't have a problem with Dominic. I just, some of it I don't get because he's not going through developmental. Like I don't, I don't know. I don't know. Um, I know that last week I had sent you the clip of the raw underground thing between Aleister Black and Kevin Owens, which looked super fun and real and gritty. And then they had a regular match this week. I saw how did it look?
00:37:46
Speaker
like a wrestling match where the lights got fucked with. Did Retribution show up for that one too? Apparently they fucked with the lights long enough to distract Aleister Black and then Kevin Owens hit that vintage KO stunner, got himself a W, but apparently fucked up his knee, and then proceeded to, on the online shit afterwards, cut one of the best promos I've heard in months about a banana.
00:38:13
Speaker
So are you keeping up with KO's career right now, just through Twitter? That's all I do. That's all I do for WWE is see, how are you doing, Kevin? You having fun? When you're not having fun, you can go talk to Tony Khan. Because you would be the fucking A plus star player over there on day one. Maybe. Which I truly believe, by the way. You think you would? I think so.
00:38:40
Speaker
but isn't he where he wants to be right now and he's probably making a shit ton of money and you just yeah I've been saying that for a couple years it's like it's hard to get upset with with with Kevin Steen because I think he's where he's always dreamed of being I think he's getting a nice paycheck they're doing shows out of the Performance Center in Florida which is right next to where his family lives I mean that's a pretty sweet gig
00:39:05
Speaker
That's not bad. And to be able to be in the Thunderdome and hopefully be in front of me and you someday. Yeah. On video. Yeah. How do we go about getting on the Thunderdome Garrett. We'll look into it. Yeah I feel like I just have to do a quick Google search getting that Thunderdome and we can probably be in every time. I did read something that WWE is looking to switch to some kind of consistent outdoor venues though.
00:39:31
Speaker
Really? Yeah, I don't know the details on that. But look into it. What made you want to watch Raw? Just because it had been so long and you were curious? Yeah, you know, it was kind of like going back and checking an ex-girlfriend's Facebook page. I needed to see if they were getting along okay without me.
00:39:58
Speaker
And how do you feel upon browsing through a few pictures? I feel like I'm better off. You feel like you're doing just fine? You're like, my favorite wrestler in the world has a clothing line. We're doing OK. My favorite wrestler from ROH just a couple of years ago was Main Event and Dynamite. What more could I ask for?
00:40:19
Speaker
Yeah, I'm doing good where I'm at. I mean, Nick Gage is number 65 on the PWI top 500 coming from- He's in the top 100. He came from three. He was 391 last year. He's 65. This has been a big year for Nick Gage. And that's what it said. And also, you know who's ahead of Nick Gage, who wasn't on the list at all last year? Effie? AJ Gray.
00:40:45
Speaker
Really? AJ Gray has been building up some wins recently in GCW and it really seems like that guy is, you know, on his way to doing some good shit. Check the list. I want to know where Effie and Joey Janela are on this list. Let's see, MJF is 22. I have 500 to look through, Derek. This is going to take me a minute.
00:41:12
Speaker
You're like, I'm getting ready to go to dinner soon too, so fucking. Give me a break. While I'm looking this up, did you happen to see anything about PCO's run that he went for the other day?
PCO's Endurance Story
00:41:28
Speaker
Like a jog? A jog, yeah. He went for a jog. No, he saw nothing about this. He ran for 24 straight hours, Derek.
00:41:41
Speaker
Is there video proof of this? Yes. He was doing it on Instagram the whole time or not the whole time, but he would do he would check back in and he kept like he had to stop a couple of times to show his feet because his feet were all just like 100 percent blisters and bleeding and shitty. And when he finally made it to his destination at the end of that 24 hours, he is fucking crying. I think he's just in so much pain and so shocked that he got to where he was going on this 24 hour run.
00:42:11
Speaker
I mean, I have to assume that's not a world record, right? Somebody's run for longer. I'm sure somebody's run for longer, but not fucking PCO. Not a fucking amateur. He wasn't wearing his flip flops, was he? Those world famous all in weekend flip flops. Let's see here. I'm still looking on this list because I was trying to find Effie myself.
00:42:41
Speaker
Let's see. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, my God. Of course he is. So Nick Gage is number 67. And Otis, our friend Jizz, is coming in at 69. He's coming in. OK, Effie is number 77. Effie's below Jizz. He's below Jizz, but right above Kylie Rae.
00:43:11
Speaker
The PWI list now just sounds like a fucking orgy. Did you, um, so a friend of ours, friend of the show, Andrew Hendren had recommended a match to us. Did you happen to watch it? I didn't because I was busy drinking champagne.
00:43:34
Speaker
That's the God's honest truth. That was my plan for this afternoon until things got fucked up. Well, I will tell you the match that he recommended for us to watch was very good. So I'll go ahead and just tell everybody what it was and we'll talk about it next week.
00:43:50
Speaker
Okay. It is Battle Formation 1996. It's a New Japan show. It took place April 29th, 1996 at the Tokyo Dome. And it was a great Muda versus Jinsei Shinzuki. Shinzaki? I can't read my own writing. That's the problem. I wrote it down myself. So you have to have New Japan World to have access to this match, right? You do.
00:44:19
Speaker
They don't have it on YouTube? I didn't see it on YouTube. Well, he sent me the link and it was of this. But I feel like a lot of people have New Japan World. Well, if you have New Japan World, you need to check out this match and then we can review it next week. And by then, I should be sober? I can't make any promises. Oh, Derek! Speaking of New Japan, you know what happens in a couple days?
00:44:47
Speaker
Evil loses the title? No, it's almost time for the G1. Fuck, man. It's G1 season again. It doesn't feel like it was that long ago that the last one was. Did I say that right? No, I think you did. The champagne is talking correctly. And the beer. Yes.
00:45:09
Speaker
I don't feel, the quarantine and every, all this shit started up in March and it's just, it's bridged. It's simultaneously felt like an eternity, but it's also bridged last winter and fall to now, to where it doesn't feel like it was that long ago.
00:45:25
Speaker
Are you excited about like do you think that you'll watch the G1 this year and like get get a little back into new Japan. Yeah I've got to get through the next month. That's kind of my that's kind of my plan. You just have to get through baseball baseball and then like there's obviously no hockey going on until they like until they decide to start the next season up I guess.
00:45:48
Speaker
But yeah, trying to get through the rest of this baseball season and enjoy that. Wrestling's been on the back burner a little bit. Part of it's because of quarantine, part of it's because I've been distracted. But yeah, fuck, bring on some New Japan. Do you want to hear some of the- They're allowed to have fans over there. Do you want to hear some of the matchups that are in the first couple days? I know our listeners do. So we're going to have, in the first day, Okada versus Ibushi.
00:46:17
Speaker
First day? Day one, we get Okada versus Ibushi. That's intense. We get Ishii versus Suzuki. We get Takagi versus Jay White. And somebody that our old buddy Jeff Cobb is in the G1 this year. Good for him. Let's see, night two. Man, I haven't heard a lot about Jeff Cobb. I really thought he would have taken off by this point. Well, I think he's still in Ring of Honor, right? Or is?
00:46:45
Speaker
Yeah, and I don't hear almost anything at all about Ring of Honor anymore. The thing that I heard most recently about Ring of Honor was that Tony Deppin was gonna be in a tournament for them. Tony Deppin is one guy that I absolutely adore, that I have no idea why he hasn't been signed yet. Tony Deppin is the fucking man. Let me tell you why. I try not to get political on this show, but I'm gonna divert from that path for about 15 seconds here when I say,
00:47:15
Speaker
Fuck Flip Gordon. And fuck anyone still cheering for Flip Gordon. He's a dumb motherfucker. What did Flip Gordon do? Go to Flip Gordon's Twitter feed and just enjoy the stupidity. That's all I'll say. Oh no. What does that mean? Does that... It means Flip Gordon is a conspiracy theorist who also doesn't think that the world is round and also thinks that the California wildfires and all that shit are fake.
00:47:44
Speaker
I knew that something wasn't right about Flip Gordon from the beginning. Yeah, Cody did too. That's why he treated him like shit. It turns out Cody was right all along. Well, you stay over an ROH with Marty Skirrell and you let Tony Deppin come over to AEW with us. That would be just fine by me. Why hasn't Deppin been signed yet?
00:48:10
Speaker
It's only a matter of time, fucking AEW signing everybody. Well, I was watching a show over the weekend, it was ICW's No Holds Bar 6, and it was a live deathmatch show. They don't have ropes. They have chains instead of ropes. And Tony Deppin was on this show.
00:48:29
Speaker
And I was chatting with Teagums. Our old buddy Teagums. And I said, why the hell is Tony Deppin on this show? And he said, because he's got a pregnant wife. And he needs money. He needs the money. That's the game. You need that paycheck. Tony Khan, hook a man up. Yeah, get Deppin on there. Find Tony Deppin. Fucking everybody else is getting a contract. Why not?
00:48:57
Speaker
But then again, does that put it back where you were talking last week that the roster frustrates you because there are so many. It absolutely does. Fuck it. If you're going to do it, go all in. Make it WC. Do you remember fucking WCW Nitro when you would unlock all the unlockable characters and there would just be like seven pages of who knows plus the people who made the game?
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah. Let's get there. Let's just do that. What's I want. I want AEW to bring back World War Three. I want them to be able to have a 60 man battle royal. Ooh. Yeah. No one's done World War Three in a minute and those bring Alex right back. I know he's got a wrestling school in Germany. Fucking throw money at Alex right. Break out that leather jacket. Get that little fucking dance going.
00:49:46
Speaker
Let's do it. I'm in. What other WCW alumni would you like to see in AEW? LaParca. LaParca? Fuck it. Yeah. Throw him the fucking money. Tony Khan, your blank check, fucking sign him. Doesn't fucking matter. Didn't you see LaParca fight MJF? Yeah, goddamn right I did. Two years ago, I saw fucking MJF. I saw LaParca give MJF a concussion.
00:50:15
Speaker
and beat the shit out of him. By the way, MJF's promo this week, fucking fantastic. He's a star. Mick Foley thinks so. Yeah, Mick Foley is 100% right, but guess what? We were 100% right about MJF a couple of years ago. You and I are talent scouts, Garrett. That's what this podcast is here to prove. If only we had the money to start our own promotion.
00:50:44
Speaker
We would be horrible, horrible managers but excellent bookers. You don't know how to do anything business wise. I think you're giving me too much credit on both ends. Didn't what culture have a wrestling promotion for a while? How'd that go? Didn't.
00:51:10
Speaker
That's the answer. I would rather not go out on a negative note. Garrett, you need to go grab some dinner with some friends. I ain't got nothing left for you here. We got to watch a New Japan match for next week. God damn it. In this week, the main thing I wanted to do, I had all of this shit pulled up and everything and ready to go. I wanted to go through the last several weeks of GCW and just talk about how much I miss the indies.
00:51:37
Speaker
it.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yes. Warrior Wrestling Up by me here in Chicago did that stadium series two night event. I heard rave reviews about that. I heard that Joey Janela and War Horse put on a fucking clinic. Joey Janela because they did the show on a football field outdoors. Joey Janela fucking carried War Horse like at least 50 yards into the end zone for a fucking touchdown on his shoulders.
00:52:26
Speaker
A glorious moment. So anybody who says Joey Janela's not in shape, they're fucking wrong. Okay, well this next week then, I think we said this last time, but we gotta start next week by talking about the collective and breaking down some of the matches that are on this show and just some of the promotions that are involved.
00:52:45
Speaker
because the matches that are starting to roll out, oh my god, I think it was on Janela's spring break, they're doing Iron Demon, which is KTB and Shane Mercer versus the Rascals. KTB and Shane Mercer have been putting on these fucking awesome matches as a tag team. There's only been two now, but it's fucking incredible. They're such a good team. So you're saying that next week we're gonna be revisiting the indies.
00:53:14
Speaker
Yes, and I'm gonna send you a list of some of the best matches of the last few months of GCW and let you do kind of- I got a week to sober up and watch these things. You have a week to sober up and I think you'll be able to handle it. Just go ahead and finish the rest of the champagne. We'll be good. All right. I'll be ready, my friend.
00:53:37
Speaker
All right, well, sorry that this one's a little short this week, but it was good talking to you guys. Last week was a little long, so that's fair. It's fair? It's fair. Okay, well, next week- We gave him an hour and 20 last week. Next week, we are focusing on the Endys. We are focusing on the Endys. You're gonna hear about Nick Gage, Alex Cologne. You're gonna hear about the Tony Deppins. You're gonna hear about the Effies. You're gonna hear what everyone's been up to lately.
00:54:03
Speaker
I'm excited, Garrett. Me too! Hey! Hit our goddamn music.
00:54:40
Speaker
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