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Captains' Logs and Lightsabers #1 - Meet The Hosts

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Welcome to the first episode of Captain's Logs and Lightsbers on the Geek News Now Podcast Hub.  In this episode, you'll meet the hosts Jonathan and Chris, two friends who love BOTH Star Trek and Star Wars.  In the episode, the hosts discuss the history of their fandom for both franchises from the ages of 5 and 6 until today.     Each episode of CLL will have a feature discussion and the first episode is no exception.  On this episode, Chris and Jonathan discuss their 3 favorite pieces of music and 3 favorite characters from Star Trek and Star Wars.   Contact Information:   Jonathan -Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, YouTube @justadisneygeek Chris -Facebook - Christopher Stough -Twitter - @chrisstough1 -YouTube - Pittsburgh's Trek Chat Geek News Now -Website - www.geeknewsnow.net -Facebook - Geek News Now -Twitter - GNN_Home   Music for this episode:   Deep by Savfk | https://www.youtube.com/savfkmusic Music promoted by https://www.free-stock-music.com Attribution 4.0 International (CC BY 4.0) https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/ --- Send in a voice message: https://anchor.fm/cllpodcast/message
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Introduction to Podcast and Geek News Now

00:00:29
Speaker
Hello and welcome to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers, a brand new podcast on the Geek News Now Network. This is our very first episode, so thank you so much for listening and we appreciate any and all feedback that you're willing to give us.
00:00:44
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We are part of the Geek News Now Network, which is home to the Geek Gauntlet podcast, which covers all of your geek news each and every week, the Geek and I podcast, a long-form interview podcast with some luminary from the geek community, as well as 2020 Hindsight, which is where today's teenagers watch all of the geek movies from the 80s and 90s and comment on them.

Exploring Star Trek and Star Wars Themes

00:01:06
Speaker
Captain's Log and Lightsabers is a brand new podcast hosted by two friends and longtime fans of both Star Trek and Star Wars. We're going to cover both franchises from new content that's being released to library content that has been available for years on your streaming service of choice. Each week we'll briefly cover the news from both franchises.
00:01:30
Speaker
But the feature content of each and every episode will involve Chris and I watching either a film or an episode of Star Trek, and a film or an episode of something from Star Wars, and then we will compare and contrast the two, tell you what we think, what worked, what didn't work, and so on. And then we'll end the episode by asking for your feedback on what you thought of the episodes or films that we watched.

Chris's Star Trek Journey

00:02:02
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But of course the core of every podcast out there are your hosts. So at this point I'm going to turn it over to Chris and he's going to tell us a little bit about his history as a fan of Star Trek and Star Wars and give us a little bit of background on himself and what he does aside from podcasting. Take it away Chris.
00:02:25
Speaker
All right. Well, thank you very much, Jonathan. It's good to be here with you. So for everybody, my name is Chris. I have been a longtime Star Trek fan. I was actually six years old and I started watching it in September of 87 when Star Trek The Next Generation premiered.
00:02:43
Speaker
I just turned 40 years old last month, so it's been basically my entire life I've been a Trekkie. Loved it during the golden era of the 90s and was sad to see it go in the early 2000s or should I say mid 2000s when Enterprise ended. But Star Trek has always been something special to me.
00:03:04
Speaker
I've always loved the adventure. I always loved the fun of it. Loved the different technology that was in the shows. It was great seeing how Star Trek kind of predicted some of the technology that we now have and now that we take for granted. But it's more than just watching a franchise to me. To me, it's actually Star Trek symbolizes a lot more. It symbolizes to me family.
00:03:30
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I remember very well watching the shows, the next generation specifically, with my family growing up. And then when we moved into Deep Space Nine, Voyager, when I was in junior high, high school, my parents kind of phased out of it a little bit. My twin brother and I and my younger brother and I, we would kind of watch it every single week and we would record it. We still have the VHS tapes down in my basement.
00:03:59
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And then by the time Enterprise premiered, we were all in college, and that kind of took precedent. We still watched the show, but basically I was watching it by myself. But I still have some very good memories of it. It also makes me think of a lot of friendship. A lot of my friends that I grew up with were big Trekkies, so we got to enjoy and share that love together, which was always a lot of fun.
00:04:27
Speaker
Still working on trying to get adjusted to the new era of Star Trek is definitely very different. I have my opinions, both pros and cons of the current material, but I'm looking forward to sharing that and opening a dialogue with everybody. And Jonathan, I'm really looking forward to talking about that with you as well.

Chris's Star Wars Experience

00:04:46
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In terms of my fandom for Star Wars, Star Trek was always my biggest first love. My Star Wars love didn't really hit until the special editions came out into the movie theaters back in, was it January of 97? I guess that was. That was the first time I'd ever watched any of the Star Wars movies. I watched A New Hope on the big screen, The Empire Strikes Back on the big screen.
00:05:13
Speaker
I didn't really like them at first. And then so when it was time to go and see Return of the Jedi with my mother, I refused. I didn't want to go, which is one of my biggest regrets because it's the only Star Wars film I have not seen on the big screen. So yeah, so I was 16 when I really got into Star Wars and fell in love with it with the prequels and enjoyed the sequels and a lot of the new animated shows.
00:05:39
Speaker
I haven't gotten to see any of the Mandalorian yet, so I'm really looking forward to try to catch some of those episodes. I really want to discuss them with you here, Jonathan, but it's nice to have new material to actually be able to discuss. So that's pretty much my nerd fandom.

Chris's Career and Online Presence

00:05:56
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In my real life, I am a social worker. I've worked as a therapist for 17 years.
00:06:02
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I currently work as a social worker at a short term 28 day residential program for children and adolescents ages 7 to 14. I also work part time at a psychiatric hospital. I mostly work on the unit that works with schizophrenia patients and just this year I was lucky enough to open up my own private practice. So life's been keeping me busy.
00:06:28
Speaker
I also have a YouTube channel that I do. I've been doing for the last three years on Star Trek called Pittsburgh's Trek Chat. It's very small, but I love doing it. It's something that I do as a passion and love and I'm looking forward to adding Captain's Logs and Lightsabers on to that, my schedule. So Jonathan, what about yourself?
00:06:52
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I'm kind of the exact opposite of Chris. Star Wars was my first love as far as science fiction and fantasy is concerned.

Jonathan's Star Wars Beginnings

00:07:01
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I didn't come into my love of Star Trek until later on in life, just like Chris came into his love of Star Wars.
00:07:09
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It wasn't until I was 14 that I had first come into really starting to like Star Trek and appreciate it for what it was, which that's something we'll discuss closer to that time.
00:07:29
Speaker
Star Wars began at a very early age. I'm 37, so I was born in 1983. The same year The Return of the Jedi hit theaters, but I was born in July, so I missed probably the majority of the theatrical run. I don't actually remember seeing Star Wars until it was on VHS years later.
00:07:59
Speaker
But Return of the Jedi, believe it or not, was the very first Star Wars movie that I saw as a child. I had not seen any of the movies prior to that, so I had no context for really anything in the story that was going on. But as a five-year-old, you didn't really need it. You saw what was on the screen, you accepted it, and you enjoyed it.
00:08:23
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So it didn't take me having seen the other two movies to know that what I was watching was magic on film. As I got a little bit older,
00:08:39
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I remember buying the Star Wars trilogy on VHS a few years before the special editions started being released in theaters, so this would have been probably 94, 95. This was the VHS set that had each
00:08:57
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Before each movie, there was a Leonard Maltin interview with George Lucas. Have you ever seen these interviews, Chris? Yes, I did actually watch the Leonard Maltin interviews with George Lucas at the beginning of those videos. It took a few years before I actually obtained all three of the original versions of those VHSs.
00:09:20
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So it was really fascinating to hear George Lucas's thoughts on the trilogy from back in that time before all the special editions were done. Just a nice little piece of history that I didn't get to have previously, so I was glad to finally enjoy that. Yeah, it was kind of cool how he started kind of talking about the framework for what would eventually become the prequels, and of course that changed probably a hundred times between 95 and 99, no doubt.
00:09:52
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So, yeah, I mean, those interviews were, like you said, a fantastic piece of history. Kind of fast forward to 97, you know, special editions released. The only one I ever saw in the theater was episode four. So, you know, in order to see the rest, I had to wait until the VHS.
00:10:13
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trilogy was released and i remember being so excited to to pre-order the vhs in widescreen had to be widescreen from my local suncoast video i remember being just so happy to go pick it up and

Accessing Films: Then vs. Now

00:10:27
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you know it was it was such a cool data
00:10:30
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to have that in my hand with the gold trim vader on the outside of the slip cover. I remember that so well. If you bought the full screen version, the pan and scan version, you got the silver cover, which wasn't nearly as cool. Right. I agree. I agree. Yeah.
00:10:49
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Yeah, I got that set that Christmas actually so it's weird I went from not liking the movies initially to by the end of the year I wanted them for Christmas and I got them. Yep, kids are kids are never gonna, you know, appreciate
00:11:06
Speaker
having to wait a year or two to see a movie on home video. Now you've got stuff coming out in theaters the same day as it comes out on streaming services. You're absolutely right about that. So we were talking a little bit about how the kids nowadays don't have to wait a year to watch a movie. And I was kind of explaining about how
00:11:35
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When I was growing up, I kind of called it the different phases when the Star Trek movies would come out. Phase one for me would be when it was in first run theaters and we got to see it a whole bunch of times. Then it would be, it would move into phase two where it was in secondary theater for like a dollar or 99 cents, whatever the seats were. And then when it finally left the second run theater, then we had that long trek to phase three, which was home video, which like you said, would be anywhere from nine months to a year.
00:12:05
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and it was torture waiting for that. The only really thing you could do while you were waiting to pass the time

Star Wars vs. Star Trek: Visual Continuity

00:12:11
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would be to read the books or look at the collector's cards or play with the action figures or whatever. It was a bit of a pain back then but what we survived didn't, we had a good time.
00:12:28
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We did, we did, absolutely. Kids today are not going to know the pain and suffering that we went through just waiting for the opportunity to rewatch a movie from the comfort of home and having to wait a year. Exactly. What's really been interesting to me is I've been watching
00:12:54
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Ironically, I just got my first Blu-ray player a year ago, so I started buying some stuff on Blu-ray. Even going back to DVDs, it's amazing how unclear the VHS tapes really were. But at the time, they seemed like crystal clear dust.
00:13:11
Speaker
Right. You know, I can't believe it. I was watching a Christmas story on Blu-ray a couple of weeks ago, and I couldn't believe the brightness of it just from how good it looked compared to just even a standard DVD. You know, and I'm noticing that also I bought Star Trek Picard season one on Blu-ray Steelbook for my I got it for my birthday, actually, with my money. Very nice. And I'm doing a rewatch of it right now. And it is so crystal clear. The colors are vibrant. I mean,
00:13:42
Speaker
It's just stunning. It's amazing how technology has advanced over these years. Just the way things change in general. That's one thing that's consistent about life is there's always change. Going from the VHS tapes that we thought were super crystal clear to what we've got now, it's just mind-blowing. I guess 4K is the new thing now that's coming out.
00:14:09
Speaker
I know that's pretty clear It's it's just absolutely incredible last Christmas or before last Christmas on Black Friday. I bought myself a 4k television You know on sale from Walmart It you know, it's it's 4k it has Dolby Vision, which is the theater standard like like the super premium theater standard for
00:14:36
Speaker
You know for video quality and it has Dolby Atmos built in so that you know if I had a like really high-end sound system Connected to my television. It would be able to take advantage We're talking like what like seven channel nine channel audio something ridiculous that this supports I mean it looks and sounds amazing with just my little 2.1 soundbar I can only imagine having like a you know a full theatrical system what it would sound look you know sound like yeah
00:15:06
Speaker
I'm just, I'm floored by the quality of the picture alone. Yes. Yeah. I feel like this, you know, this is appropriate place to put a, Hey kid, get off my lawn. Exactly. Yeah. What is different about Star Wars for you now as a, as a 37 year old adults, how can you enjoy it now differently than you did back in the day?
00:15:31
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As a kid, of course, it was just how the lightsaber battles and just the cool technology of these blades of concentrated energy
00:15:51
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clashing up against each other and the hums and the sounds and everything that it made, it was just such a cool spectacle. And the things that they were able to do for the space battles with miniature work, it looked so...
00:16:09
Speaker
Unlike anything I had ever seen as a kid, it was all about the spectacle and what's the next cool thing that's going to happen. For me now as a 37-year-old,
00:16:24
Speaker
looking for all of the references to the film genres that George Lucas and the current creators of Star Wars are integrating into the new stuff.
00:16:42
Speaker
having seen more films and just seeing stuff from a wide range of genres, now it's okay. I can see where this is like a Western or this sequence is like one of Kurosawa samurai films. And not only that, with all the new Star Wars that's coming out, being able to see the connections,
00:17:12
Speaker
that are being made in the new stuff to the stuff that we both, you know, that we grew up with. Yes, and Star Wars has definitely been doing a really good job with that. Keeping the visual continuity, tying it back into past stories, past characters, making one cohesive universe.

Chris on Continuity in Star Wars and Star Trek

00:17:30
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I gotta definitely give Star Wars kudos for that.
00:17:33
Speaker
I mean, it all looks like it fits together and is one big complete story that's just expanding. That's what makes it so interesting. That's been kind of the problem I've had a little bit with some of the recent Star Trek. I don't know, maybe I'm a bit of a Star Trek purist, but I've had a really hard time accepting Discovery.
00:17:56
Speaker
as a prequel to the original series. Because I know that a lot of fans are saying, oh, it's just, you know, it's a story that matters. It's not what it looks like. But what I've experienced in the last couple of seasons of Discovery is I'm actually feeling like I'm getting pulled out of the story because everything just is so mismatched. Obviously, we couldn't have a show that had like 1960s looking sets, things like that. I mean, that wouldn't be practical for
00:18:24
Speaker
long-term show but it and I hate that it just pulls me out of the story sometimes you know but uh you know eventually maybe I'll be able to overcome that but it makes it feel like to me like Star Trek starting to become uncohesive and that to me I think was a big reason why people wouldn't why I enjoyed Star Trek was the big
00:18:47
Speaker
world that for the most part was connected. Were there a few continuity errors here or there? Of course. Think about how many writers and producers and art designers and all the people that work on these shows or in these movies have all contributed. So there are going to be little glitches here and there. That's just been the hard part for me. So when I actually see the stuff going on with Star Wars and the Millennium Falcon looks like the Millennium Falcon and the controls still look like they did back in the 70s and
00:19:16
Speaker
You know, that to me, it makes me feel good. It shows that there's a value there that people really love. And I don't know, I guess you as a longer term Star Wars fan, do you feel, is that something that you appreciate that they continue to keep the aesthetic?

Star Wars' Timeless Aesthetic

00:19:30
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. You know, the whole hook with Star Wars is it takes place a long time ago and a galaxy far, far away. Right.
00:19:42
Speaker
It doesn't give us a specific date when this occurs. I kind of think of it a little bit like how Earth, in the world of Star Trek, how Earth had
00:19:58
Speaker
you know had just discovered faster than light travel and they were then they made their rather the Vulcans made the first contact the Vulcans had had this technology for for years and years and years it's like Star Wars kind of takes place
00:20:17
Speaker
you know where this technology has just existed for the galaxy yes you know for forever and you know we are I don't know viewing historical film you know some how that finally made it to us in in our present time it's yeah and a lot of it I think has to do with the amount of you know the
00:20:44
Speaker
the archival nature of how Lucasfilm keeps a huge archive of the way things looked in 1977, in 1980, in 1983. Because they have this archive that they can reference, it makes it a little bit easier to
00:21:07
Speaker
to recreate the aesthetic and make it all look like, even though the technology in filmmaking has gotten better and better.

Star Trek's 90s Visual Continuity

00:21:20
Speaker
And that takes some crazy behind the scenes attention to detail that I just am blown away by. Yes. Yes. No, I agree with you. I mean, I know a lot of people didn't like the sequel trilogy, you know, watching that.
00:21:37
Speaker
those movies and seeing the Millennium Falcon still looking like the Millennium Falcon and all the other ships still looking the same. Even down to the Resistance base, a lot of the technology that they were using there looked like it came right out of the original Star Wars movie. It looked incredible and I just loved that cohesion and that's something that I've always loved about Star Trek was this continuity.
00:21:59
Speaker
And it's just for the first time it's been kind of shaken up No, it's like I'm trying to get I'm still trying to get used to that whole thing The Kelvin move timeline movies. I have no problem with because it makes perfect sense It's moved into an alternate reality and you know, things are going to be different, you know, sure sure you know and with you know, you kind of
00:22:22
Speaker
You mentioned a visual continuity. Of course, that was never more prevalent than in the resurgence of Star Trek in the late 80s into the 90s. You figure you had TNG, Deep Space Nine, and Voyager. They all took place concurrently with one another.
00:22:44
Speaker
ships look the same you know any any Federation ship looked exactly the same you you know as far as the L cars interface you know that was on every single Federation ship yeah in shows during that era you know of course DS9 being you know being taking place on on a Cardassian you know space station of course looks completely different yeah but

Podcast's Relaxed Format

00:23:11
Speaker
But when DS9 finally got the Defiant issue to them, they brought that Elkhart's interface back into the show and made it feel unified again.
00:23:30
Speaker
Yes, absolutely. They had the runabouts, but they were just used for short-term transportation. Basically, it was the Cardassian aesthetic like you're talking about. It was a nice balance of the two designs when the Defiant was brought in. We kind of got off on a tangent here, didn't we? Yes, we kind of did. It's amazing how things go. I guess you know when it's our first episode, so I guess we're just kind of letting it flow.
00:23:57
Speaker
Yeah, that's all right. Nothing wrong with that at all. You know, I guess we kind of left off, you know, me talking a little bit about my Star Wars, you know, well, a lot about my Star Wars fandom. You know, we kind of going back, try to finish up here for you, you know, because this I'm getting long winded, I know. We love this because we have a passion for our stuff. Right, right. So
00:24:26
Speaker
You know, the prequel films, of course, they started in 1999 in May, because every Star Wars movie had come out in May for the first six episodes.

Jonathan's Star Wars Prequel Memories

00:24:38
Speaker
I was 15 years old when The Phantom Menace was released in theaters. I didn't see it in theaters. So again, I had to wait until the home video release nine months to a year later just to see it.
00:24:52
Speaker
You know, I remember being just absolutely floored by the pod race sequence and, um, you know, and just, I would watch it over and over and over again. I would just, you know, take the VHS rewind it at the beginning of the race, watch it, rewind it, watch it. You know, it's, it just, it was just incredible. And that was on a small screen, you know, in my bedroom.
00:25:17
Speaker
that I would watch it. We're talking, by small screen kids, we mean 19 inch. Ironically, the TV I grew up with was only 19 inches. Kids have 52 inches in their TVs and their rows now. Right, right. It's crazy.
00:25:38
Speaker
And yes, I do love Jar Jar Binks, and unabashedly so. I have no shame in that. Thank you. Thank you. Yes, I do. I think he's hysterical. That part in episode one where his tongue gets numb is one of the funniest moments to me. I love it. It's just hysterical. Go ahead.
00:26:04
Speaker
No, no, go ahead gush over charger. I I love it. Yeah, I was just gonna say I just I feel bad that he got a lot of the Hate basically that he yeah, I mean I can see it to a point that you know It was certainly a different type of character and I guess he was maybe developed a little bit more for the kids to relate to But I mean, yeah, he I mean he served a purpose especially in in in the Phantom Menace Sure
00:26:34
Speaker
You know, I wish we would have gotten to see a little bit more of him in episodes two and three. I do think that his role in episode two kind of helping in the beginning of the formation of the Empire was pretty cool. It was ironic. Right. In its own way. I wish we would have had more than a line from him in episode three about, excuse me, but
00:26:56
Speaker
I don't know, I agree with you. I think he was a pretty cool character. Yeah, and you figure, you know, out of universe, you know, Ahmed Best performed mocap before Andy Serkis made it popular, you know, with Lord of the Rings and King Kong and then the Planet of the Apes movies where he sees her.
00:27:23
Speaker
Ahmed Best was on the cutting edge of that. You know, Lord of the Rings wouldn't exist if the technology created by George Lucas and Lucasfilm in the creation of Jar Jar Banks hadn't come before it. People forget that and people just, you know, they look at just their annoyance with the character, but really, yeah, okay, so he was the comic relief for the kids, but really,
00:27:50
Speaker
going back to what we said earlier about George Lucas being obsessed with Kurosawa, he's, Jar Jar is the drunken master. Yes. Archetype. That's exactly what his character was. And when you look at it through that lens, he's really not that offensive. Right. Exactly. Exactly. I think, I think a lot of people were kind of accusing him of being some sort of a racist stereotype. Um,
00:28:20
Speaker
Not really sure how to answer that. I don't think that was ever meant to be in any way. I think he was just made to be and sound comical.
00:28:34
Speaker
People looking at things through a modern lens, even 1999 was so long ago.

Star Wars as a Bonding Experience

00:28:42
Speaker
The remaining movies in the prequel trilogy came out in 2002 and 2005, so it would have been 18 and 21 respectively at the time.
00:28:52
Speaker
I went to see those in theaters with the girl who would eventually become my wife, Kylie. We both bonded over our mutual love of Star Wars back then and it's kept us together for nearly 18 years. We watch everything Star Wars together.
00:29:10
Speaker
We've seen every Star Wars movie that's been released in theaters. We've watched every episode of Star Wars the Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels. And of course, we've watched every episode of The Mandalorian together. So my fandom of Star Trek came much, much later in my life. You know, my dad, I remember watching my dad watch
00:29:38
Speaker
the next generation Deep Space Nine and Voyager when they were, you know, airing the episodes in syndication in the 90s. But it's never something that he and I watched together, sadly. It actually, it wasn't until I turned 14 and was a staff member at Boy Scout Camp that I kind of watched really my first ever Star Trek thing from start to finish. A fellow staff member, Ed, introduced me, which I remember being
00:30:08
Speaker
uh... you know having and hauling about at the time uh... he introduced me to star trek for the voyage home uh... but he ended up you know he eventually won uh... and we watched the movie and and you know what i really enjoyed it uh... wasn't expecting to but i did uh... i guess that's a pretty good entry point you know because it's probably the most accessible of the trek movies uh... you know since it doesn't really
00:30:37
Speaker
It's kind of a self-contained story from start to finish. I mean, you've got a little bit of carryover from Star Trek 3. That was kind of when the seed got planted of my appreciation for Star Trek. I didn't really revisit it until several years later when I got to college. I was a freshman in college.
00:31:02
Speaker
My roommate that I had for the first year and a half, Jeremiah, introduced me to Netflix, which at the time, Netflix had you create a queue of DVDs to be sent in the mail so that you could watch and then return.

Jonathan's Star Trek Discovery

00:31:20
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You know, he was a big movie lover and, you know,
00:31:23
Speaker
he he and I split the cost of it he used it to To watch some really weird films that he was into I used it to finally get into Star Trek, you know, this was probably you know, this was the early 2000s, you know, it was right, you know right after
00:31:44
Speaker
You know, television studios started putting complete DVD season sets together. And of course, you know, with Netflix, you had to get them one disc at a time. Or if you did the multi-disc plan with Netflix, you know, you could have one or two discs, I think. Maybe three at one time. So I just started going through, watching, you know, requesting DVDs from the original series.
00:32:07
Speaker
Then from TNG, then from Deep Space Nine, and then Voyager. At the time, Enterprise had not yet started airing when I went through this watch of all the shows.
00:32:27
Speaker
You know, it hit, I think, what, Enterprise debuted in what, 2001, I believe? Yeah, okay. So yeah, this was probably...
00:32:38
Speaker
Well this would have been 2001 but of course the show is still airing in its first season so of course it wouldn't have been available on DVD for a while yet. Deep Space Nine was at the time and still is my favorite Trek series. I just remember being utterly fascinated by Quark and the Ferengi, the culture and the religion of the Bajorans and
00:33:03
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you know, when they finally got to the Dominion War arc, it just sealed the deal for me as, you know, one consistent narrative from start to finish. You know, and, you know, I guess kind of as a little bonus, once they introduced the Vic Fontaine hollow program, it really solidified my love for the Great American Songbook and Rat Pack. Rat Pack music. Yes. Yeah.
00:33:34
Speaker
Yeah, so eventually, of course, the enterprise DVD sets got released, and I got those through my Netflix membership. And if I'm being honest, I know I didn't really appreciate the show the first time through. But recently, within probably the past year and a half, maybe two years, I went back and did a complete rewatch of Enterprise, and I fell in love with the show.
00:34:02
Speaker
You'd be surprised there are a lot of fans that are talking about that how much now they didn't like it when it was You know first run but now they're picking up on things and realizing that it actually had a lot of quality to it Oh, yeah, absolutely. I mean and you know, you can't go wrong with Scott Bakula. Oh, I know Amazing amazing guy and he's even a really decent guy in real life, too He's an incredible actor and he's just a decent human being
00:34:27
Speaker
I kind of get that impression. I've never met him, and I know you have. I've never met him, but I can just imagine. The personality that he has on screen can't be too far from his real-life personality.
00:34:47
Speaker
Oh, exactly, exactly. I saw him speaking at a convention, I believe it was in 2016 in Las Vegas, so I've never actually got to meet him, but I've seen him on stage and I literally watched him, one question after the other, running across the stage, trying to get equal attention to every side of people asking questions. Just the kindest, warmest person that you could, you could just feel radiating from him off stage, you know.
00:35:13
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It was it's nice. They actually said that the cast said that he was kind of like their leader and role model when they were making the show So yeah, perfect sense No, I mean he had you know a multi-season television show under his belt, you know, you know But before he had joined the cast so yeah, I can see I can absolutely see how you know He'd be the role model. Yes All right, so that's you know
00:35:42
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That's kind of my Star Trek history. I've been able to keep up with the series that have been released on CBS All Access. I've caught up on Star Trek Discovery. I watched Picard.
00:36:03
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Yeah, there are some Yeah, Eddie idiosyncrasies with the show and you know for the most part, you know There there are some there's plenty of things to like but there's things to pick on as well And you know that you're gonna have that with anything I mean, I don't know if Star Wars fandom or Star Trek fandom is worse Yeah, yeah

Fandom Divisiveness in Star Trek and Star Wars

00:36:33
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I've heard some horror stories about the Star Wars fandom, the Star Trek fandom, what really surprises me is the amount of disrespect that they are having for each other. It's almost like there's a civil war going on right now.
00:36:52
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just want to stick to what came before and think everything right now since Discovery is or even since JJ Abrams movies has been pretty much garbage and then you have the other side that thinks that it everything right now is just peaches and cream and everything's perfect and it shouldn't be ridiculed and they're referring to each other as you got the people who don't like current Star Trek being called haters and
00:37:17
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And then you got the ones who love the new Star Trek that's going on right now. They're being called Dreckies. And to me, that's basically the exact same word as hate. All they do is they keep yelling at each other. And what I find very fascinating is Star Trek talks a lot about infinite diversity and infinite combinations, or edict. And a lot of times these fans will trash each other, call each other names, swear at each other, and then say, oh, by the way, why are we, why they need to practice, the other person needs to practice edict.
00:37:47
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I mean, it's, it doesn't make sense. Like you're ridiculing somebody, but then you're, you're crying edict in the same sense that this doesn't compute to me. And my thought of it always is, I always thought maybe, maybe it's just me. I shouldn't be thinking this way, but I thought Star Trek fans may be kind of held themselves to a higher level. Um, they talk about the ideals of Gene Roddenberry's world and not judging anybody anymore and learning to not let words bother you. Like a horror set in the Savage curtain to Abraham Lincoln.
00:38:17
Speaker
But then they go right back to their 21st century humanity and just attack and attack and attack. It kills me to see that happening. I don't follow with the Star Wars fandom as closely. What are your impressions of that group?
00:38:37
Speaker
I think Obi-Wan said it best, and I'm referring to Star Wars Twitter here, that you'll never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy.
00:38:51
Speaker
Yeah, and and it appears to be very similar maybe not quite as Extreme as as Star Trek fandom and on social media, but you know what that's that's a discussion for another day Yeah, yeah, let's let's let's let's keep it mostly positive let's not get into all of that

Favorite Music and Characters Discussion

00:39:20
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We don't want to we don't want to lose listeners before we even get them Okay, so you know to wrap up this episode Well not so much to wrap up I guess we're gonna move into our feature portion of the episode our three favorite pieces of music from Star Trek and
00:39:47
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and Star Wars, and we're also going to talk about our top three characters from Star Trek and Star Wars. So I've been talking for a long time, so I'm going to turn this over to Chris. Chris, why don't you lead us off with your number three favorite piece of music from Star Trek? Oh, number three. Okay. Oh boy. I would have to say, um,
00:40:17
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I guess just the music in Star Trek III, just in general. I guess maybe the part where they're stealing the Enterprise and going out of space dock, and then when the Enterprise flies through the doors and that big overture starts playing. I just think that's just such an exciting moment. Watching Kirk defy orders and working toward
00:40:45
Speaker
rescuing his friend, nothing else mattered at that moment. And then just the camaraderie of the crew coming together and doing that. And then while they're stealing the ship and they're actually, you know, all that tension's building. Are they gonna crash into the doors or not? Is the Excelsior gonna come after the Enterprise or not? I just think that's just a fun piece of music. And every time the Enterprise clears through those doors, I'm like, yes, they made it. So that, I would say that's probably my number three.
00:41:14
Speaker
My number two favorite song or music would probably be the Overture from Star Trek Generations. Star Trek Generations definitely has a lot of complaints from the fans about the story, about how Kirk died, about Soren as kind of a villain. But one thing that I definitely think is top notch about Star Trek Generations is its score.
00:41:41
Speaker
I just think it's very theatrical and it's very moving and that one piece of music is something that I listen to quite a lot over and over. Just kind of gets me excited about space and exploring and so that's just a big favorite of mine. My number one favorite piece of music in all of the Star Trek franchise is Archer's Theme from Enterprise.
00:42:07
Speaker
To me, that symbolizes everything that Star Trek is about. Exploring, meeting new people, exploring new worlds, being the first adventurers out into space. That always really gets me excited and touches me. The part that I would probably say it touches me the most in
00:42:32
Speaker
is in the finale of Enterprise. These are the voyages. I know that most people, including myself, aren't big fans of the episode, but the epilogue with the three enterprises and the captains reciting the famous Trek words and listening to Archer's theme playing while Enterprise flies by the camera toward the nebula.
00:42:53
Speaker
I'm not gonna lie, it chokes me up every time I watch it. I just think it's so beautiful and it's such a wonderful ending to not only enterprise, but to 18 years of Star Trek that was on TV at that time. So that song's got a special place in my heart. So I would say those three pieces of music are probably my absolute favorites in Star Trek.
00:43:14
Speaker
Wow, Chris, those were some very deep, deep cuts. You being such a huge fan of Star Trek and being more so a fan of Star Trek than that being the equivalent, your love of Star Trek being
00:43:36
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the equivalent of my love for Star Wars, I would expect no less than for you to have come up with pieces like that. I'm going to go a lot more surface level with my picks, and I hope there's nothing wrong with that at all.
00:43:55
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But my number three is the the theme song to enterprise and I know this gets so much flack and you know so much criticism from people because it was a pop song with lyrics and it kind of Went against the trend of an orchestral or you know song for the you know for the opening credits of a show but you know
00:44:22
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The show was so much different than previous Star Trek because it was setting the stage for what would come 100 to 200 years later in the future. I think that the song had to be different. The lyrics really do perfectly capture the spirit of the mission that Archer and his crew set out to accomplish.
00:44:52
Speaker
number two I gotta go with the Deep Space Nine theme it's it's my favorite show so of course you know this song had to make an appearance in in my top three yes I I'm gonna get
00:45:08
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Bandgeek here for a minute and I know you can relate But I I really I love the in the DS9 theme I love the call and answer of The main motif between the trumpet and the French horn and then they just you know, they just go back and forth in the middle of the song and it's just it's it's really cool and you don't you don't hear that type of Sequence in
00:45:38
Speaker
and soundtracks very often. And then for my number one, that's Alexander Courage's theme from the motion picture, which then later got adapted to be the theme song to TNG. It captures so much spirit and so much of what Star Trek is about for me.
00:46:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's a very nice theme. Yeah, it's been recycled numerous times and played in various different formats. So yeah, I agree with you. It's an amazing piece of work. Let's talk now about our three favorite Trek characters. Chris, do you want to start us off? So yeah, so I will start with Captain Picard. One thing I like about Captain Picard, I like his
00:46:27
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I guess you wanna call it how easy going he kind of is. He's not one to just immediately jump into action and say, okay, now I gotta go hit this person or I'm not gonna follow this order or whatever. He looks for philosophical solutions to different problems and with his command style and when he's doing first contact missions or representing the Federation. I've always loved that calmness and coolness that he has.
00:46:55
Speaker
But at the same time, he's also had his moments where if he didn't agree with anything, he wouldn't be against defying an order or two if he needed to. Look, for example, an insurrection when what the Federation was doing with the sonnet should try to relocate the Baku. He said, who the hell are we to determine the next course of evolution for these people? And it got to the point where he actually resigned from Starfleet to save these people.
00:47:24
Speaker
It's a nice mix with him about the diplomacy and being able to use, kind of using more of his words rather than using his fists. That being said, another character that has really grown on me in the last year or two, ironically, is Captain Kirk. Over the years I've had, Scotty was my favorite on the original series, at one point it was Dr. McCoy.
00:47:49
Speaker
But in the last year or so, I would say it's been Captain Kirk. And even though I kind of said about Picard using more of his intellectual capacity or trying to problem solve more, there are some things that I really value about Kirk as a leader, about coming more from his emotions a lot of times. He was the one commanding officer out of, if you really watch all the Star Trek's,
00:48:16
Speaker
He was probably the one who would get the most upset about losing a crew member. He would even say it in several of the original series episodes, he would get really angry, I've lost a man, I lost a crewman, you know, I want answers, I want to know what's going on. So his compassion and his caring for his ship and his crew are very commendable. And I'm going to bring Star Trek III back up again.
00:48:39
Speaker
That was actually the first Star Trek movie I ever saw. Not in a theater, but actually just saw in general. So that one's special to me. But watching Kirk and his senior crew come together and basically say to hell with what Starfleet is saying about Spock and Genesis, I'm going to do what I'm going to do. I'm going to steal this ship, I'm going to defy orders, and I'm going to go get them whether you like it or not.
00:49:05
Speaker
I mean, there's something I think that's just so admirable and so pure about that. Just the love of his friend. That this friend had become more than just a colleague. He's basically a brother. He's basically family. And nothing else mattered at that point. And so I guess, again, that's why that part of Star Trek III is so important to me because just watching him
00:49:29
Speaker
dropped everything and risking basically his entire career and his entire future risking going to jail, prison, for his friend. I don't think I really realized that until in just the last couple years. Like you were saying with Star Wars about learning new things and stuff like that as you've gotten older. That's something I've learned about Kirk. The other character I would say is my number three would probably be Seven of Nine.
00:49:55
Speaker
I think that she was a very well-written, very well-developed character. She had a lot less years on the show to grow than the other characters on Voyager. But we literally saw this woman change from basically being all bored to actually regaining a nice little bit of her humanity, thanks to Captain Janeway and other members of the crew as well, but primarily Captain Janeway.
00:50:19
Speaker
and just watching her learn how to socially interact with people and learn how to go on her first date like she did in the fifth season episode someone to watch over me and learning to fall in love eventually with Chakotay and developing the friendship that she had with the doctor and even her relationship with Naomi Wildman grew over the years and then watching her actually basically become a mother figure and becoming the Janeway figure to the board of children
00:50:47
Speaker
Um, when they came on in season six and then as each had became the last one, um, on the show. Um, and then watching seven to nine, uh, interesting transformation on Picard, you know, that's been a, that was a big change from what we had seen on Voyager. But I mean, people change experiences, change us. And I think she went through a lot of different experiences after Voyager came home to the Alpha quarter.
00:51:14
Speaker
As we saw was with her joining the Fenris Rangers and she has a calling there to help people You know, so it'll be interesting to see where her character goes Picard moves on into season two That's pretty much it for me. How about you with your three favorite Star Trek characters?
00:51:30
Speaker
Okay, so I'll start with number three. I Really really love dr. Flocks from enterprise John Billings Lee, you know the actor that portrayed flocks He had already been such an accomplished character actor, you know, yes, you've probably seen him in tons of different things prior to enterprise but you know the way that he was able to
00:51:58
Speaker
become a regular character on the show and have a great four-season run was incredible. The way that he was able to portray
00:52:14
Speaker
flocks as, you know, as a doctor, as a surgeon, a psychiatrist, and perhaps most importantly, a veterinarian. You know, we can't forget the love and care that he had for Porthos as a patient. And he did it with such humanity, despite the fact that he's an alien. He's awesome. What do you think?
00:52:43
Speaker
I think Dr. Phlox is an amazing character. You're right. I think he was actually more human than any of the other human characters that were on the show. Seriously. I mean, he enjoyed life. He enjoyed trying new things. Remember all the times he talked about Chinese food and egg drop soup and, you know, and he brought some really interesting things into his role using different creatures in his little creature menagerie to help heal
00:53:13
Speaker
crew members. I was surprised at one time that he fed the Tribbles, one of his creatures. That kind of was like, whoa. A nice little callback. Yeah, it certainly was and gave us some backstory into why the Tribble population was able to stay under control because of the reptiles on their homeworld. But yeah, I think that he just showed a humanity.
00:53:43
Speaker
that rose above himself. It was about everybody else that never bought him. And I think that's what made him a special character in a walk of addition to the Star Trek franchise.
00:53:58
Speaker
Yeah, so my number two is Quark. I thought the way that Armin Schimerman was able to bring so much life and depth to
00:54:14
Speaker
What really was a throwaway alien of the week from a very early episode of TNG, the way that he portrayed a Ferengi and his extended family, they brought so much depth to a profit-obsessed race of beings like the Ferengi. And he was able to make Quark
00:54:44
Speaker
Mostly likable in spite of the fact that really hork was pretty loathsome most of the time You know it takes a lot of talent, and you know and he pulled it off Yes, he did Yes, he definitely cemented that that race And I guess lastly for my number one I'm
00:55:09
Speaker
I'm going to break the rules a little bit here and not choose one character. This is our show. We can make the rules up as we go along, right? You got it, sir. I'm going to go with the Bajorans, just in general as a race. Like I said earlier, I was fascinated by everything about them.
00:55:34
Speaker
their belief in cisco when he didn't even believe in himself when he first arrived on the station and you know how he eventually fulfilled their prophecy for them um you know they they you know they adhere to their faith in the prophets unwaveringly um and you know there was just so much uh you know so much
00:55:59
Speaker
to like about the characters, or rather about the Bajorans. Actually, funny thing, I became so enamored by the Bajorans while watching Deep Space Nine that I actually
00:56:18
Speaker
portrayed a Bajoran myself in an email-based Trek RPG for several years. I'm gonna switch gears here, and we're gonna leave the world of Star Trek, and we're going to go into Star Wars. Same idea, we're gonna start with our top three pieces of music from Star Wars, and then we'll go into our characters. But as usual, Chris, go ahead and start us off.
00:56:47
Speaker
Okay, so my three favorite pieces of Star Wars music. Alright, so, well obviously, I mean, the Star Wars theme that John Williams created is just stunning. Just from the very first note that comes on it once the word Star Wars flash on the screen. You know, it's just powerful from that moment. It actually just kind of shows you that, even just with the first couple of notes, how powerful the movie's going to be.
00:57:16
Speaker
how much quality there's going to be in it. And it just shows that level of fun that Star Wars gives to people. And it kind of reminds me a lot of the old serials, the sci-fi serials from the 30s and 40s, which I know that was a big part of the reason why they did it that way. Sure. So it always, it drags me right into the story as soon as I start hearing the main theme.
00:57:44
Speaker
The number two theme that I really like, and it's not something that I guess I have a deep rooted love in, but I guess it's become special to me is the Princess Leia theme, especially since Carrie Fisher died. I think yesterday was what, the third or fourth anniversary of her death?
00:58:04
Speaker
It was the fourth anniversary, yeah. That's what I thought, that's what I thought. And so I've come to really love Carrie Fisher, just the kind of person that she was, her sense of humor, just her style of communicating with people. You know, so every time I hear that music, it just kind of makes me think of her. And it also makes me think about what kind of a strong character Princess Leia was in these films as a leader.
00:58:30
Speaker
And just the kind of role model that she was so I've grown to really love that character since her loss as well And I can see why she was such an inspiration to young women back in the 70s all the way up until now Right before she died She made a really strong long-lasting character that uh, you know will stand the test of time and will always be loved to all the fates and
00:58:59
Speaker
I really love very nice. Yeah, it's very operatic It's very strong in the way. It's portrayed. I think it just it encompasses the excitement of what Star Trek art goes Star Wars Really is with the lightsaber battles and fighting trying to fight with honor versus Just a malice that's going on with with the Sith It just sends chills up my spine every time I listen to it
00:59:27
Speaker
I think my favorite moment of it, you would think it would be kind of during the battle with Darth Maul and Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon in the Phantom Menace, but I actually like it the best in Revenge of the Sith.
00:59:40
Speaker
when Yoda and the newly emperor Palpatine are having their battle in Cenochi. You know, kind of like what you did with your pieces of music from Star Trek, you know, being a lot more deep cuts than what I chose. I'm gonna take the same route with my picks for favorite Star Wars pieces of music here.
01:00:05
Speaker
starting with my number three my favorite piece it's it's called Augie's Great Municipal Band and Chris I'm sure you'll remember this from the parade sequence on Naboo at the end of episode one the victory music yeah all right so you know that piece right oh yes
01:00:24
Speaker
Alright, so it's really happy. It's upbeat. They won the battle against the Trade Federation. They blew up the droid control ship and everything is great, right? Yes. And that's exactly what John Williams wanted you to think. But there's a surprise in store for you. The main melody of Augie's Great Municipal Band
01:00:51
Speaker
is Emperor Palpatine's theme from Return of the Jedi transposed from minor to major Interesting, okay
01:01:01
Speaker
So for the discerning music fan, you get that sense of, you know, when you listen to Palpatine's theme, you get that sense of foreboding and dread. This is an evil person and he won't, you know, he's of course, he's the head of the empire. Yes.
01:01:25
Speaker
take that that theme and tweak it to a major key and it changes the whole sound but if you know if you pay attention you'll notice that it's it's the same piece just transposed differently it's it's clever interesting i'm gonna keep an eye out on that i'm gonna now you're making me now want to put the ending of that movie on just to listen to that
01:01:53
Speaker
Oh, it'll blow your mind once you realize it. It's crazy. Alright, so number two for me is the song Jabba Flow. Now this is the song that was being sung in Maz Kanata's castle in episode 7, The Force Awakens.
01:02:16
Speaker
Do you sort of remember, you know, they walk into Maz's castle and there's somebody up on the stage performing. It very much evokes the cantina scene from A New Hope or even the music from Return of the Jedi and Jabba's Palace. It's a piece of source music, meaning the characters in
01:02:44
Speaker
the scene here this music and you know they can you know it's it's not only not only do we as the viewers of the movie here it the characters in the movie also here it's called source music or diegetic music uh... so you know kind of why i like the song is more
01:03:02
Speaker
The piece itself is good, but you really don't hear it too much in the movie. The story behind it is really what gives it my ranking as number two. On the soundtrack to episode seven, the song is credited
01:03:23
Speaker
to Shag Kava. But really, the song was written and performed by Lin-Manuel Miranda of Hamilton fame. It's a reggae inspired track and the lyrics are in the Huttese language. But the lyrics translate from Huttese to English as, no lover lover, it wasn't me. So Shag Kava is basically Star Wars equivalent of Shaggy.
01:03:53
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Okay If you remember the Shaggy song, it wasn't me
01:03:58
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Yes. That's awesome to know. That's really cool. My number one piece of music that I love so very much from Star Wars is Across the Stars. This is the love theme from Episode 2, Attack of the Clones.
01:04:25
Speaker
The prequels just kind of hit for me at the right time in my life, you know I I saw episode 2 of course with my wife Kylie which at the time we were dating we had just really started dating not long before And I think the song just kind of you know, you know
01:04:43
Speaker
hits on that memory and it perfectly captures that love between Anakin. It captures that forbidden love between Anakin and Padme. And I guess, again, going back to my band geek roots, as a woodwind player, as someone who played clarinet and saxophone, the fact that the main melody is introduced by a solo oboe
01:05:12
Speaker
You know, woodwinds don't get a whole lot of love in bands, and it was nice to hear that the main melody of this song is just introduced by a woodwind. Yes, exactly. That's nice.
01:05:29
Speaker
Yeah, thank you. Thank you. All right, last segment for the show, our favorite three Star Wars characters. And Chris, go for it. Kick us off. Favorite three Star Wars characters. Okay, so... Oh, okay. I would say number three is Poe Dameron. What I like about Poe as a leader and as a hero is that
01:05:58
Speaker
To me, I don't see a whole lot of cockiness in him. I believe that he's confident in his abilities, but at the same time, I think he also knows that there could be limitations into his decision-making. And I think there was a little bit of that in the Rise of Skywalker after General Leia died. He was sitting by her bedside and basically saying, I don't know if I can handle all of this. How am I gonna rally everybody together to help save the galaxy?
01:06:27
Speaker
So that's kind of what I like about him is that he's not arrogant He's confident, but he he knows that he has limitations as well and that that makes him like anybody else My number two character I would say would be Emperor Palpatine Really? I just I love his mind is what fascinates me
01:06:48
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Right villain is how calculating he is. Yes everything that he it was basically all him in his brain They it led to everything and taking over the Republic and then you know orchestrating the Clone Wars and getting the Jedi through order 66 to be eliminated and then developing the Empire and then after his death he was basically reincarnated and then created the final order while at the same time and
01:07:18
Speaker
influencing the first order from behind the scenes. It's just amazing how much that man was capable of doing with his brain. He didn't use muscle. Our muscles are body muscles. He used his brain muscle to basically influence everything. So that makes him a very fascinating character to me and as a villain. But my number one favorite character in all of Star Wars is Han Solo, which is kind of interesting because of what I just said about Poe Dameron.
01:07:48
Speaker
But I like that Han is a bit cocky and he is very sure of himself And his abilities He's just he's very heroic. He just jumps into danger without really thinking I mean look at like when in episode four when they were on the Death Star He's chasing down the stormtroopers in the hallway, you know, I mean like right often and he even said bring them on I prefer a direct fight over all this sneaking around, you know, so
01:08:18
Speaker
That's something I wish I had a little bit more of a quality in myself I I tend to be more of a passive kind of low-key kind of person and You know things kind of make walk me up pretty easily at times And I wish I had a little bit more just his like ah the heck with it I'm just gonna go and say what I want to say and do what I'm going to do and if people don't like it too bad You know
01:08:42
Speaker
Yes. Those are my three. Awesome. All right. Um, my number three, uh, is Anakin Skywalker. Um, he, he gets a lot of flack, you know, for both, not only how Jake Lloyd portrayed him in episode one, you know, uh, but also how Hayden Christensen portrayed him in episodes two and three, you know, he gets a lot of flack and, you know,
01:09:06
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Part of that could be the way the dialogue was written or the way that George Lucas really didn't give his actors a whole lot of direction. There's a whole lot of information behind the scenes.
01:09:22
Speaker
really wasn't great with people, but the technology, and he knew what he wanted to see, and he could visualize it, but he wasn't great giving stage directions. But that's, you know... Yeah, but, you know, when you watch Star Wars, The Clone Wars, and, you know, you see how Anakin goes from a reluctant teacher when he gets assigned a Soka as his padawan, to eventually developing a brotherly relationship with her,
01:09:51
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And then in turn seeing how she was completely You know betrayed by the Jedi Council, you know, it's it's it's not difficult to see how that coupled with his forbidden love for Padme Helped turn him to the dark side and away from the light side you know and and then you know in in
01:10:21
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Return of the Jedi how Love again was the thing love for his son for Luke was the thing that brought him back from the dark back to the light you know, it's it's That's the beauty of Star Wars is that you know things that in kind of in reverse order, you know things that were established in 1983 came full circle in 2005
01:10:51
Speaker
Yeah, and then and then of course beyond since you know Clone Wars of course didn't start until 2008 and and didn't wrap up until You know until this year 2020 but the fact that it all it was all connected and it was all brought together You know is fascinating And you know with that in mind my number two also a Skywalker Luke and
01:11:16
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you know this a lot of this you know this is going to go back to you know being five years old and and seeing the return of the jedi for the you know for the very first time i just you know i i i you know i completely and utterly fell in love with seeing jedi master luke you know uh... in his you know full power uh... you know the way that he
01:11:42
Speaker
intricately was able to put together a plan to rescue Han from Jabba and then you know when it came down to having you know
01:11:53
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To decide that it wasn't the time to fight and he threw away his lightsaber Uh, you know in in the emperor's throne room instead of killing his father You know that was that was You know that made an impression on me. Um, and then you know, and then you know with You know luke skywalker's story isn't over, you know, we've only seen small small parts of it uh, you know in um
01:12:22
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In the post-Return of the Jedi era, it's being revealed little pieces at a time in the new canon. It's exciting to watch it unfold. Ultimately, his story is one of sacrifice for the people he loves. Whether that's for better or worse, that's for you to decide. But I think that Luke fulfilled
01:12:48
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his sacrifice throughout the sequel trilogy and that's going to lead me to my number one favorite character and that's Ahsoka Tano. She was introduced of course in the Clone Wars as Anakin's Padawan. She was a precocious 14 year old that initially so many people hated but the way that her story played out over
01:13:15
Speaker
Seven seasons of the Clone Wars Is you know, she has become one of the cornerstones of the Star Wars mythos, you know and then you know to have her Reintroduced to to people in Star Wars Rebels and there being so much lore behind her, you know her existence in
01:13:35
Speaker
You know in in a galaxy far far away. It's you know, it's incredible And I you know, I think I don't know if you've watched the Clone Wars or not yet. Oh, yeah Okay, so Have you seen the newest season like the final season not yet? That's the only okay. I've heard parts of it
01:13:56
Speaker
Okay so I don't you know I don't want to go too much into detail but just you know the the way that her story wrapped up for the Clone Wars in season seven during the Siege of Mandalore it's it's honestly that those four episodes of the Clone Wars are
01:14:15
Speaker
easily some of the best Star Wars that's ever been released and ever graced the screen and just you know I've also you know I've had the opportunity on a few occasions to meet Ashley Eckstein who provides the voice of Ahsoka and she is just one of the sweetest the most genuine people and she's such a champion for Star Wars fandom we you know we
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Podcast Closing and Social Media Links

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All right, that's going to do it for us. We thank you for listening to the very first episode of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. We hope you like what you hear.
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don't think we deserve her some
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Our show has a Twitter account, and it's at logsandlightsaberspod. We also have a Facebook page. You can find that at fb.me slash logsandlightsaberspod. Or you can email us at logslightsaberspod at gmail.com.
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I'm Jonathan, you can reach me on social at Just a Disney Geek. You can find me on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube under that moniker. How about you, Chris? Oh, well you can find me on Facebook. Just type my name in, Christopher, and then my last name, S-T-O-U-G-H, you'll go right to my page.
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You can also find me on Twitter, it's at chrisstow, S-T-O-U-G-H, one. And then if you're interested in listening to my YouTube channel, Pittsburgh's Trek Chat, like I said earlier in the show, you can go onto YouTube, just type in Pittsburgh's Trek Chat and it'll take you directly to my channel. You can follow the show on Facebook at Facebook.com slash Pittsburgh's Trek Chat. You can also follow the show on Twitter at PGH Trek Chat.
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Nice. And lastly, our corporate overlords at Geek News Now, you can find them on Twitter at GNN underscore home, Facebook at just search for Geek News Now, or you can visit their website at www.geeknewsnow.net.
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And that's going to do it for us. Thank you so much again for tuning in. We appreciate you and look forward to releasing future episodes. Thanks again, Chris. Thank you, Jonathan. Take care, everybody. Live long and prosper.