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CLL #6 - Apples & Oranges
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Episode 6's feature discussion functions as a direct follow-up to the feature discussion from Episode 4 on the influences of Star Wars on Star Trek in the 1970's. Chris and Jonathan tackle their own version of a no-win scenario when they take on the daunting task of comparing Star Trek: The Motion Picture and Star Wars Episode IV, looking for similarities and highlighting the differences. After skipping it last episode, the hosts also catch up on the latest Star Trek and Star Wars news from the past 4 weeks.
Chapters
0:00 Introduction
2:11 Voyager Documentary Campaign Update
5:20 Superluminal Travel Research Study
9:30 Star Trek Prodigy Update
14:00 Star Trek….Rebels?
19:45 Center Seat Docuseries
24:37 Feature Discussion Intro/Ten Similarities
26:30 Opening Space Battle
30:00 A Galaxy-Wide Threat
33:15 Supernatural Events
36:15 Heroes Unite
41:20 The Force/Psychic Connections
44:00 A Trinity of Core Characters
48:00 Shipping the Ships
52:30 It’s Only a Model…
57:50 The Music
1:01:10 Those 70’s Movies
1:04:30 Listener Feedback/Outro
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Introduction & Episode Format
00:00:00
Speaker
Captain's logs. I'm Solo. I'm Captain and Millennium Falcon. This is Captain Jean-Luc Picard of the Federation starship Enterprise. I already have one message from Starfleet coming in on secured channel.
00:00:28
Speaker
You're listening to Captain's Logs and Lightsabers, part of the Geek News Now podcast network. Welcome to episode six of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. Chris and I are back this week with our regular format after our wonderful interview that we had with Landry Walker last time. If this is your first time tuning into our regular show, I'm going to go over the format very quickly with you.
00:00:49
Speaker
First of all, Chris and I have a brief discussion of any notable news stories that came out of both Star Trek and Star Wars from the past couple weeks, and then we have a featured discussion.
Star Wars Influence on Star Trek
00:00:58
Speaker
This week's featured discussion was a bit of a daunting task. Chris and I were talking a couple episodes ago about the influence of Star Wars on Star Trek in the 1970s,
00:01:09
Speaker
And as a follow-up to that discussion, Chris and I are going to attempt to compare apples with oranges. We both watched Star Trek the motion picture and Star Wars episode for A New Hope. We're going to look for the similarities and differences between the two. But as he is with me each and every episode, I want you to welcome my excellent co-host, Chris. How have you been since we last chatted, Chris?
00:01:32
Speaker
I've been doing great Jonathan. It's good to be here with you again I've been really excited about this topic being kind of the sequel to what we did in our last regular episode It's gonna be very fun and very interesting comparing these two movies because it was not easy Right, yeah, you are absolutely right about that So yeah, we're gonna give it our best effort and we hope you guys like what we came up with Absolutely, but first of all, we're gonna talk about the news
00:02:01
Speaker
move the ship out of the asteroid field so that we can send a clear transmission.
Star Trek Voyager Documentary Success
00:02:07
Speaker
Captain, incoming message. Come closer, I have the news. Starting on the news here, our first news topic today is a brief follow-up to a story we covered a few episodes ago about the forthcoming documentary about Star Trek Voyager from the team behind the incredible Deep Space Nine doc, four 55 films.
00:02:28
Speaker
The filmmakers launched a crowdfunding campaign and have not only met their initial goal of $150,000,
00:02:36
Speaker
But they've far exceeded it. Can you believe that, Jonathan? I owe more than $150,000. Yeah, that's absolutely incredible. I mean, to set a goal of $150,000 and now the amount of funding that they received is almost $825,000. That's what, almost 600 times what they had initially set out for? It's incredible. Not 600 times, sorry, 600% of what they set out for. So because of these stretch goals that they've reached, the documentary will be at least 90 minutes instead of 60 minutes.
00:03:06
Speaker
And then the documentary will have a custom soundtrack composed for it as well as feature the Voyager theme song that Jerry Goldsmith had composed back in its original run. They'll also feature more interviews from cast crew and others. And then here's my favorite stretch goal. If they're able to get from the $825,000 up to $900,000 in funding,
00:03:29
Speaker
they're going to be remastering all of the footage that they plan to show as part of the documentary in high definition. So they'll be able to take the standard definition masters of the Star Trek Voyager episodes that currently exist on streaming networks and remaster those scenes in HD. Only the scenes that they're planning to use. They're not going to remaster the whole series because that would cost a heck of a lot more than what they bring. Sure would. But I'm really excited about that. What do you think?
00:03:59
Speaker
Oh, I'm completely excited about it. I think Voyager deserves to have this documentary about it. Those cast members put in a lot of hard work during those seven years that came up with their incredible series that really still stands the test of time up to this day. It'll be nice to see what the cast is currently up to and what's where their recollections are. What you're saying about the HD footage is really exciting because
00:04:25
Speaker
I did go to see what we left behind the Deep Space Nine documentary in theaters when they had that limited run. And they did remaster some footage from Deep Space Nine in HD and it was incredible. Just stunning. And so if they're able to do with the Voyager HD, what they did with the Deep Space Nine HD, we're in for a real treat. I think it's going to be worth it.
00:04:50
Speaker
It's just going to be incredible. I just wish I had the money now to help contribute to the project. I don't have any money right now to send and to contribute, but to anybody who did, thank goodness for all those fans, because we got something really great coming. I agree. And I'm so happy that the fans have spoken and they've made their desire for this documentary known and that they're acknowledging that with their donations, which is absolutely incredible. I can't wait.
00:05:18
Speaker
Yeah, it's going to be wonderful.
Superluminal Travel Research
00:05:20
Speaker
Also, in a bit of Star Trek and Star Wars inspired real world news, a research paper that was published recently in Science Journal Classical and Quantum Gravity, physicist Eric Lentz proposed a potential blueprint for superluminal travel, which is essentially faster than the speed of light. Currently, the blueprint requires a massive amount of energy to make superluminal travel possible.
00:05:47
Speaker
So the engineering challenge is finding a way to re reduce it for practical use. This is a really interesting story, um, just to see the possibility of any kind of warp drive coming in, in our lifetime. Jonathan, what did you think of the art? Oh yeah. I mean, that's just, it's just absolutely incredible. I, you know, as a fan of Star Trek and Star Wars, you know, I have never ever expected that we would see anything beyond, you know,
00:06:16
Speaker
theoretical applications of fashion than light travel or warp speed. It's just to know that there's still a possibility that while you and I are alive, that a warp engine or superluminal engine can be a reality and that physicist has found a way to essentially to beat Einstein's constant, which for years and years, physicists thought that
00:06:44
Speaker
you know, that faster than light travel wasn't possible because of Einstein's constant. This is absolutely amazing. And it's kind of interesting that, you know, as of now, we're almost exactly 42 years away from Star Trek's first contact day and that, you know, that really there might be a possibility of such a thing happening by then.
00:07:07
Speaker
I remember our conversation last episode with Landry how you know, he said that Star Trek has always been about our Society our world just in the future and the fact that you know that this is possible now Yeah, it's mind-blowing
00:07:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's amazing how fast technology from nowadays is just catching up to what Star Trek created. I mean, we're past stuff the original series actually was showing, and even with the next generation at this point, it's just unreal how much that tech has become the norm in today's society.
00:07:44
Speaker
you know, with medical scanners and view screens, and you know, now we can Skype and talk over the computer screens, like with the view screens, you know, the cell phones or communicators. It's just amazing how much that has been predicted.
00:08:00
Speaker
That we don't have anything like lightsabers yet that would be really cool you know that would be that would know that would be interesting there and see how that would get used in today's society you know but uh it's great and i think i do believe i think it's wonderful i'd love to see us go to the next star within our lifetime that would be great alpha santari something yeah i just i it's
00:08:24
Speaker
You mentioned cell phones, you mentioned medical tricorders, you mentioned view screens, how we have meetings with each other across the internet on Zoom. Who would have thought that the
Star Trek Prodigy Airing Strategy
00:08:38
Speaker
practicality of faster than light travel could actually be seen in the next 50 years? I know. Even if you think about it, this is a side note, but in the first season finale of Next Generation, the neutral zone, Data had told those
00:08:54
Speaker
survivors from the 20th century that television didn't live beyond the year 2040. And I've always thought to myself, man, that is kind of weird. Why would it go so quickly? But here we are in 2021 and streaming is starting to take the place of regular television. So that prediction might actually come true.
00:09:14
Speaker
Yeah. With technology. I know. It's wow. I know. I know. It's hard to believe. It's hard to believe, but hey, maybe Star Trek has the power to predict certain future things like The Simpsons. Right, right, right. So, maybe. How do we follow up that news story? Well, about talking about a new Star Trek TV series. All right.
00:09:37
Speaker
As everybody knows, Star Trek Prodigy is the animated Star Trek series that is supposed to debut on Nickelodeon. But we just got some news within the last few weeks that it's going to be airing first on Paramount+. So it's going to air its 10 episode first season. And after it finishes its season on Paramount+, then it's going to be aired on Nickelodeon at that time.
00:10:08
Speaker
Also, we got a promotional image from that show that shows this, I guess it's six main characters. So before we start talking about the characters, what do you think about the news about it going on to Paramount Plus first, Jonathan? I think it's a smart decision because, you know, Paramount Plus, it's trying to establish itself as another streaming service that deserves your money. Yeah, you know, CBS All Access was there, but
00:10:35
Speaker
we kind of had talked in a previous episode about how, you know, this rebranding to Paramount Plus, they really need to double down on exclusive content. And if they really want to try to gain some market share, you know, in the ever vast sea of streaming services,
00:10:57
Speaker
competing for your attention, they have to do something that's going to set them apart. Taking a show that was supposed to debut on cable and moving it to their streaming service seems like the smart move. I know I had mentioned that an even smarter move would be
00:11:19
Speaker
to take all of the Star Trek content that you can find on other streaming services like Netflix and Amazon Prime and even Hulu, I think, and removing them from those services and putting them exclusively on Paramount+. That would be the way to go if you really wanted to create the killer streaming service and really double down as the exclusive home of Star Trek. I think this is a step in that direction.
00:11:47
Speaker
I agree with you 100% I think they need to keep the content in-house and they just need to keep it all together after all they're now going at the Star Trek universe is one big lump sum instead of just being the Star Trek franchise so why have it jumping from one place to another if you can just keep it all under one roof in-house it makes perfect sense to
00:12:08
Speaker
And then it gives people a chance to want to come back and sample other things without having to kind of look around and hunt things down. So I think you're right. It's going to be a very, it's a good idea. It just makes from a business standpoint and from a logical standpoint, it completely makes sense. So there was also an image that was released of the, I guess you want to call it the cast. It looks like we're going to have six main characters that are going to be on this. So
00:12:39
Speaker
I was very surprised by seeing this picture when I first saw it. It doesn't look like we've got any human characters. Now we do know that there's Captain Janeway or Admiral Janeway, whatever she's going to be in this show, is going to be there. So there's your human condition piece right there. But it's very interesting that the six main characters, the characters that people want children to relate to and bond with, are not human.
00:13:07
Speaker
So if we take a look at this picture, we've got two looks like younger female characters. One definitely has some sort of purple skin, kind of some sort of extra large mohawk, maybe. I don't know how to describe that. Then there's another girl standing right next to her. Can't really tell exactly what color her face is. Is it like a whitish green? To some degree. And then you've got some geode looking character.
00:13:37
Speaker
looks like some sort of rock thing that's waving at the camera. Then we've got some sort of gelatinous blob with a big smiley face on it. Then we have what fans are debating. Is it either an overweight Tellarite or an overweight Talaxia? Then you have a robot character which has got one big eye it looks like and is waving.
00:14:03
Speaker
My first reaction when I saw this photo was, my goodness, this looks like Star Wars Rebels. Not in terms of the storyline, but except, I mean, you do have a ragtag group of heroes here, like you have in Star Wars Rebels. The two characters in the middle actually remind me of Harrison Dula and Sabine Wren. Not because of the way they're dressed, but just because you got two strong female leads in the core cast.
00:14:29
Speaker
I don't know if you notice this, too, if you're looking at the picture right now or not, but that beam of light, there's like a beam of light that looks like a lightsaber between the two of them. I'm sorry, it's just the way it looks to me. You know, it's just the way they're dressed, too, with the like the belts and the boots, the utility kind of stuff. It just feels very right out of Imperial era of Star Wars. So what else do we have here? Well, before I move on, what do you think about those first two characters?
00:14:58
Speaker
Think you've kind of nailed the the promotional image. It does feel very very much like Star Wars You've got you know two female characters, like you said very much like Hera and Sabine you've got a droid, you know a robot or droid type character in In the promotional image that is not of course doesn't look anything like an astromech droid especially anything like chopper and
00:15:23
Speaker
Clearly the inspiration is there, the character that looks like a rock formation that's waving at the camera. I kind of see him as the muscle, very much like Zeb is in Rebels.
00:15:38
Speaker
And as far as the gelatinous character and then the overweight short character, I don't know what to make of those because I don't see where those are inspired by anything directly out of Star Wars Rebels. But sure. It's, it's, you know, again, it's, it's a, like you said, it's a ragtag bunch. I think, uh, I think you've hit the nail right on the head there, Chris, with the comparisons and hopefully, hopefully it still feels like Star Trek while
00:16:04
Speaker
bringing a little bit more fun and levity to the Star Trek universe like what Star Wars does with its animated projects. Sure, absolutely. You and I were talking before a show about the human characters. The big thing about Star Trek is talking about the human condition. And this show has no humans in it, at least the core cast, unless you want to count Janeway.
00:16:31
Speaker
We've had Star Trek in the past that has talked about the human condition through its alien characters. You know, we learned about what it means to be human through Spock, trying to learn what it's about to be human. We've learned about trying to become human, what that's like through Data, through Odo, through the Doctor on Voyager.
00:16:48
Speaker
On Enterprise, I'm not really sure who. Maybe through Dr. Flox because he just had a zest for life and just enjoyed life on Earth. The other thing that I heard that some people were complaining about online is for that rock formation creature. How can you have some sort of rock that's kind of alive? But really, there were rock creatures in Star Trek that actually were alive. If you go back to the third season episode, the Savage Curtain, when they were at the planet Excalbia,
00:17:17
Speaker
Yarnac was the Excalbian was actually a rock formation creature and they lived in like a molten kind of planet until they created that Earth-like environment for the episode for those games that they had between Kirk and Lincoln and all of those. And also, I don't know how much you know about Star Trek V, the Final Frontiers history, but they were supposed to have rock men in that movie as well. They only had one rock suit that they were able to budget.
00:17:46
Speaker
And it looks so silly, according to William Shatner, that they basically nixed that. And so you can see it in the special features of the DVD. And it would have really been cool. But yeah, I mean, they have... The whole thing about Star Trek is there's a whole bunch of different kind of life out there. So I think this is going to be really neat showing that. I don't even know what to think about the gelatinous blob, but something tells me he's going to be the breakout character of the series.
00:18:16
Speaker
Yeah. Do you watch the Orville at all, Chris? Oh, yes. Very much so. It kind of reminds me of Yoffit. Yes, exactly. Exactly. And you know what? The internet was ringing about that, too.
00:18:29
Speaker
You know, so people were using it as a way to say that it's copying off the oracle. I don't know. I just think we have a little cute creature that people are going to buy. Guaranteed they're probably going to have a stuffed animal that's similar to Grogu from Mandalorian. And they'll probably have this character, like some sort of slime creature in a jar. Don't be surprised. And for better or worse, I'm sure that this character is not going to be voiced by Norm Macdonald. Take that how you will.
00:18:57
Speaker
Please. Please don't. That's great. Have one character by Norm McDonald. That's perfectly fine. Create something special and unique for this one. Right. Absolutely. I'm kind of excited for the show.
00:19:14
Speaker
Star Trek's answer to Star Wars Rebels. I mean, Star Wars animation has always been about, you know, being kid friendly, but still having amazing lessons to teach adults. And again, that's also something that Star Trek, you know, has has accomplished, you know, in all of its live action is, you know, tales of the human condition and how to, you know, make us a better
00:19:42
Speaker
race of people. I guess the last bit of news that we have is also recently announced that the history channel was going to be releasing a new documentary as well.
New Star Trek Documentary by History Channel
00:19:56
Speaker
It's going to be called the Center Seat, 55 Years of Star Trek. It's going to be an eight episode limited docu-series and it's going to be produced by the Nacelle Company
00:20:08
Speaker
uh, which is a company, uh, created and directed by Brian Volkweis. Uh, if, and I know we had talked on a previous episode, I had mentioned to you about a show called the toys that made us on Netflix. Uh, Brian Volkweis is the creator of the toys that made us. So he's going to also, you know, be behind this eight episode docu-series and
00:20:30
Speaker
Once I read that, I got really excited because the toys that made us is funny. It's nostalgic and it really, you know, pays a lot of attention and gives a lot of tribute to all of these toy franchises that we would have grown up with. And the fact that it's going to be the same creator as that show, this History Channel docuseries is going to be incredible, I think.
00:21:00
Speaker
Oh, absolutely. This is going to be incredible. You can never go wrong with a Star Trek documentary. And you know what really excited me about this? You were talking about Brian Volkweiss. In his original, I guess, letter or interview from Deadline, he actually gave a quote. And I have it here. It says, quote, Star Trek from before I was 10 years old, gave me the closest thing I have to a code to follow in my life.
00:21:28
Speaker
If it wasn't for the words, I don't believe in the no-win scenario, I'd be very alone, broke, and miserable in this world. So to say this is a passion project would be a tremendous understatement."
00:21:41
Speaker
So this makes it even more exciting for me. You've got somebody who's a big Star Trek fan, this has been a big part of his life, and he's actually going to be producing this, so you know it's going to be a labor of love that comes from it. What else also excited me about, and you know from our last episode that we did about the 70s, the era of Star Trek and Star Wars,
00:22:02
Speaker
they're going to actually be talking a lot about that era, which I'm super stoked about. He specifically said in the Deadline report that they're going to talk about the lesser-known areas of Star Trek's history, including the animated series and Phase II. Now, the Phase II part is what I'm really excited about, because I've always had a fascination with that, never-created TV show, which is probably why I love the... partly why I love the motion picture so much. So, he also talked about
00:22:29
Speaker
He's going to talk a little bit about Lucille Ball, actually, and how she helped in the creation of Star Trek back in the 60s. So we're going to see some pretty neat stuff that's not just going to be in retread of everything that's come before and other
00:22:43
Speaker
Documentaries that have been created the one thing that I'm nervous about and this is just a little minor nitpick I don't know if you watched the 50-year documentary that history created five years ago. Did you see that? I did not know you did not okay? Well, I bought it on DVD and one thing that was driving me nuts throughout most of it is they must not have done a really good job with the audio recording because I
00:23:09
Speaker
When they had the people being interviewed, they were playing the music in the background, the background music is almost as loud as the audio of the people talking and it almost overshadows it. And it's hard to kind of like balance the two, at least that was for me. You know, maybe I'm just getting older, 40 years old and my hearing's starting to change, but it just, it drove me nuts. So I'm hoping that they have a better balance with that this time.
00:23:34
Speaker
Yeah, audio engineering with that kind of stuff is key. I'm going to make sure that your levels are appropriate. You never want your background music to drown out the primary source of the content, whether that's an interview, whether that's a narration, anything like that. You got to find that balance and, you know, you, you as the audience member should be able to hear both the background music track and the primary track, but it should never be a competition for which one is getting your attention.
00:24:01
Speaker
Yeah, it's distracting. And it wasn't. I watched for most of that documentary, I was just driving me nuts. If you get a chance to watch it, watch it and see. You'll see what I'm saying. All right, sounds good. So I believe that's all the news stories that we have to cover. It was very Star Trek heavy this week. Sure was.
00:24:22
Speaker
There just wasn't a whole lot of notable news out of Star Wars this week, or rather, in these past couple weeks, so Star Trek wins the internet for news stories, for sure, since our last episode. That's a way to go Star Trek. Woo! Don't get technical with me. Magic. It is the beginning of wisdom, Valerius. Not the end. A Jedi uses that force for knowledge and defense.
00:24:49
Speaker
All right.
Comparing Star Trek & Star Wars: The Movies
00:24:50
Speaker
I think it's about time that we move on to our feature discussion for the week. And as I kind of teased at the very beginning during the intro, uh, we kind of took on, uh, a very difficult task, uh, kind of as a follow-up to our episode of Star Trek and Star Wars in the seventies and the influence that Star Wars had on Star Trek. Uh, Chris and I came up with the hopefully brilliant idea to try and compare and contrast Star Trek, the motion picture with Star Wars episode four, a new hope.
00:25:17
Speaker
So as you kind of find out as we carry out our discussion, it was not easy finding similarities because the two films are just so drastically different from one another. Star Wars is a space fantasy. It's a serialized story. And especially Star Wars, Episode Four, New Hope, you know, we're coming in in the middle of the story rather than, you know,
00:25:44
Speaker
And, you know, there are parts before and parts that take place after episode four, where Star Trek, the motion picture is its own self contained story. But we're going to do our best to try and compare the two and we'll see where the conversation takes us. So Chris, what, um, how did you want to tackle this?
00:26:02
Speaker
Well, what I did was I created 10 similarities between A New Hope and The Motion Picture. Now, like you said, this was a very difficult task. It sounded very easy when we first said it two or three weeks ago. But you're right, they are so drastically different in terms of speed and pacing and style and story and character. So hopefully I came up with some pretty good
00:26:29
Speaker
commonalities here so the first one that I noticed that was the similarity was both movies open up with space battles now one of them is obviously very iconic and probably one of the most iconic opening scenes at all cinematic history when you have first of all you have the opening to Star Wars with that amazing fanfare and then it goes right down the scrolls down to Tatooine and then you see these ships coming across the screen firing at each other it's just
00:26:58
Speaker
with intense music going on, it's just very action packed. And really what it does, it sets the theme for what's coming in the story. It kind of reminded me back of when I was in college and when I used to write research papers and I would come in with a very boring sentence. And I remember professors telling me, no, you got to find a way to catch them from the beginning. So what I did was with my research papers is I would always start them with explanations.
00:27:25
Speaker
And that's kind of what dragged everybody into the rest of the paper. And I think that's what they did with Star Wars. They just drew them with the first scene. And it just kind of let you know exactly what was coming. Now, the motion picture also opens up with a space battle, but nowhere to the degree of the one in a new home. So it shows the three Klingon vessels approaching Bijur.
00:27:48
Speaker
But it's more like a silent kind of like introduction to the special effects of the movie, really. But even though, yes, it does set up what is coming toward Earth. So it was a slower battle from the Klingons. Really, the one Klingon vessel fired three floaton torpedoes at Vejur. And basically Vejur just fired them back and digitized the three ships. But it did, that's what both
00:28:16
Speaker
Opening battles did was it set up the drama that was going to be coming in the movies what we were to be expecting So what are your thoughts on that back those battles? Yeah, so I I kind of one of the things that I noticed right away As far as a similarity, you know Star Wars a new hope starts with the Star Destroyer Come you know traveling away from us and we see just the scope and the depth and the size of this vessel and
00:28:46
Speaker
The shot composition in Star Trek the Motion picture was very similar. We get that nice close up of the Birds of Prey and we see how detailed the model work was on the Birds of Prey. It very much reminded me of the model work of the ships and vessels that we see in Star Wars as well.
00:29:06
Speaker
It's very, you know, the level of detail was just absolutely incredible. And then, you know, you had said about how we get the the in Star Wars and New Hope, we get that opening fanfare from John Williams, and how, you know, essentially, that opening fanfare becomes the standard for Star Wars movies going forward.
00:29:28
Speaker
Jerry Goldsmith's composed theme for Star Trek The Motion Picture also becomes the gold standard for Star Trek projects. I mean, we hear it in every single episode of Star Trek The Next Generation and that theme has now become synonymous with Star Trek.
00:29:50
Speaker
It sure has, yes. And that's actually, we're gonna be coming back to that in the discussions of the similarities with The New Hope and The Motion Picture, because that is, you hit the nail right on the head with that, absolutely. That moves on to another similarity I found between the two movies, is that both movies have heroes that are dealing to stop a deadly force. Now, at first, when I was doing some, I was thinking about this plan, I wasn't sure exactly how the two really compared
00:30:20
Speaker
But they actually are very similar if you think about it. So in A New Hope, yes, it's not just one planet that's being threatened. You've got the whole galaxy that the Death Star is threatening to destroy if people don't fall into line with the Empire. Where Veeger, it was on a direct course toward Earth. So Earth itself was the one that was in danger. But yes, A New Hope showed the destruction of Alderaan and almost destroys the base on Yavin.
00:30:51
Speaker
But really, if you think about it, Veer itself also was threatening the rest of the galaxy as well. Because on its way to Earth, as you see when Spock goes through the flyby or fly-through of Veer itself, Veer has digitized a lot of different things and saved it into its databank that he goes flying through. So a lot of different things have been
00:31:17
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Destroyed or deleted based on Beecher's journey heck they even even epsilon 9 was destroyed in that so it wasn't just earth itself It was a whole bunch of different things that got threatened and that's very similar to what is going on in a new Hope with the Death Star in my opinion You've got a galaxy-wide threat that ends up being destroyed at the end Yeah, and that's You know that comparison or that similarity is
00:31:48
Speaker
It's a bit more of a stretch than the last one of course, but sure again And I'm not saying that I'm not saying that to be critical. It's just it's Trying to find these similarities is is a challenge in and of itself. So yes. Yeah. Yeah again, just the fact that you've got both hero factions in in Star Trek the motion picture and Star Wars and
00:32:13
Speaker
are all coming. They have to stop this galaxy changing idea or weapon. Yeah, it's a stretch, but it isn't, I guess. Yeah, it's similar, but yet you're right. In scope, they're both a little different.
00:32:36
Speaker
Yes, again, going back to the whole Vidra thing, yes, Vidra probably digitized a lot of stuff into its memory banks on its way to Earth, but it was never done in a malicious way. It was to fulfill the Voyager programming to learn all that is learnable and bring that knowledge back to the creator. That was the whole point of Vidra going home and then wanting to merge with the creator as well. But again, things died or got destroyed in that process.
00:33:06
Speaker
Yeah, that was a tough one to kind of put together. It really was, but you know. All right, so moving on to the next similarity is both movies end through some sort of some forms of supernatural events if you think about it. So the Death Star, yes, was blown up. We saw it physically blow up. So what's really supernatural about that? But if you kind of piece it together and think about why it was destroyed,
00:33:33
Speaker
It was Obi-Wan encouraging Luke to use and trust the Force to destroy the Death Star, and it was Luke actually turning off his Navic computer and actually using the Force, trusting the Force, that allowed him to shoot the proton torpedoes into the reactor shaft which destroyed the Death Star. So it wasn't based on technology, it was based on using the Force. If you think about
00:34:00
Speaker
in the motion picture, Veeger actually isn't defeated. He actually evolves. It's basically the way it was kind of discussed at the very end of the movie. So, like much of Star Trek, the solution to the dilemma came through a bunch of talk, a bunch of techno babble with Kirk, Spock, and Decker, just miraculously figuring out all of what Veeger's whole purpose was, basically.
00:34:25
Speaker
and Decker figuring out that if he keys in the final sequence so Voyager can transmit its data, it'll help for Veeger to join with a human being. So that's what leads to the melting of Decker and Veeger and the ILEA probe into that new life form that ends up going into a higher level plane of existence. So in Star Trek, you got the force, and then in the motion picture, you got Veeger evolving. Right.
00:34:52
Speaker
Yeah, and that is a very cool comparison. I like how you were able to look at how vastly different the force is from what happened at the end of Star Trek the motion picture and find that commonality. Again, you put a lot of work and a lot of thought into these comparisons.
00:35:15
Speaker
And I appreciate the amount of time that you spent on this. I just wanted to kind of address something with you and kind of propose a question to you about the ending of the motion picture. I'm not sure if you have, I know you've dabbled a little bit into the books of Star Trek. And of course, fans of Star Trek know that the books are never recognized officially as canon.
00:35:44
Speaker
as Star Trek canon. But I came across something where I saw that it's believed by several fans that Veeger's merging with Decker and the Ilea probe, that that directly led to the creation of the Borg.
00:36:03
Speaker
Yeah, I've seen a lot of that over the years. It would certainly be an interesting thought. The Borg are very exciting and entertaining and well developed. It doesn't surprise me that people would want to piece that together and think of that. It's certainly very possible.
00:36:24
Speaker
You know, I feature came from a planet of living machines. So right course, it's very possible. Right. And then I'm sorry. Right. Well, go ahead. And then Spock, of course, has that line where he's talking to Kirk that any show of resistance would be futile. And of course, you know, that's a very key line of dialogue from the Borg in their speech before they assimilate is that resistance is futile. Right. Exactly. Now, here's
00:36:51
Speaker
one in-cannon reason why I would think that the Borg were not created by Veeger. Because the Borg cannot function without their organic components. That was said obviously in first contact. So, Veeger and the ILEA probe considered carbon-based units to not be true life forms. So, I don't think that Veeger would necessarily want to merge with carbon-based units, but
00:37:19
Speaker
Now that they had that carbon-based component, that piece of humanity through Decker, maybe that was possible. You never know. Yeah, absolutely. It gives a lot to think about. And I know that, again, we had just mentioned that the expanded literary universe of Star Trek, unlike Star Wars, is not considered canon. But this very concept had been explored in a series of novels that William Shatner himself wrote.
00:37:49
Speaker
They, you know, the novels featured a Borg resurrected Captain Kirk, and it very much made that connection that the Borg were created from that merging of Decker, Veger, and the Ilea probe. So I haven't read that trilogy of books yet, but it seems like it would be an interesting idea to explore, even though it's not canon, of course. Sure. Exactly. Absolutely. All right. What do you have next?
00:38:16
Speaker
The next one is, I believe, the uniting of the characters.
Character Dynamics & Psychic Connections
00:38:20
Speaker
So each movie brings the lead characters together through different circumstances, reasonings. So with The New Hope, it brings characters together who are strangers into one cohesive group to fight the threat to the galaxy.
00:38:38
Speaker
And then sets ends with setting up their future adventures. So you watch a new hook. It was literally on TV an hour before we started recording. So it was actually really cool to see that the ending.
00:38:50
Speaker
You see them standing there at the end after that ceremony of them getting the medals, and you know that that's not gonna be like, oh, well, that's it, goodbye, we're gonna leave each other. You know that that's where they're going to be, that's where their future lies, going into the future. It's very similar to that in the motion picture. Now, the motion picture is a little different in the fact that it reunites the core characters after the TV series, their original five-year mission, but they come together again
00:39:18
Speaker
based on circumstances, because obviously, Beedra is seen as a threat to Earth and ultimately, I guess, in extension, the galaxy. And also, at the very end of the motion picture, they don't go their separate ways again. They end up staying on the Enterprise and going back out on adventures, which I wish we would have gotten to see in a series or whatever, but that's beside the point. It's just both movies show these people coming together and staying together instead of splitting apart. So that was a similarity.
00:39:48
Speaker
Yeah, absolutely. Where episode four tells the story of the group coming together and then
00:39:56
Speaker
they would be together for years and years afterwards. Throughout the fall of the Galactic Empire, they united to take down the Empire, and then eventually, as we find out in the sequel trilogy, they had eventually went their separate ways. Luke, after his failure with Ben Solo, he distances himself from Leia and Han, and then eventually Leia and Han grow apart,
00:40:20
Speaker
Obviously Leia goes back to being a general in the resistance and Han goes back to smuggling ways it's kind of It's essentially it's Star Trek the motion picture in reverse Yes, it sure is absolutely and it's just fascinating the way each group comes together, right? you know, they stay together in a new hope for years and years and
00:40:45
Speaker
And then the Star Trek crew, if you go between the motion picture and Star Trek II, obviously they split up again at some point because Spock ends up becoming a captain, Kirk's an admiral again in the future, the Enterprise becomes an Academy training ship. You're right, it is how everything switched and reversed and that's very fascinating.
00:41:08
Speaker
Yeah, so that was another similarity I came up with. The next one that I came up with is both movies seem to present some sort of psychic connections with the characters. So for example, in A New Hope, we've already talked about the Force. We can't go and talk about Star Wars without the Force. So in A New Hope, they show Obi-Wan Kenobi discussing and showing Luke what the Force is.
00:41:33
Speaker
And Obi-Wan just very minimally just starting to teach Luke how to use the Force. And he uses it obviously to his advantage at the end of the movie to destroy the Death Star, like we had already talked about. Well, there's also a psychic kind of connection in the motion picture. For some reason, Spock and Veidra have some sort of telepathic connection across space.
00:41:55
Speaker
you know, which is, which actually kind of moves the story forward, which is kind of interesting. If you kind of look at it, it's very similar to when, let's say when Alderaan was destroyed in a new home.
00:42:06
Speaker
And Obi-Wan, even though he's nowhere near Alderaan, can feel the voices of the Alderaan people crying out through the Force. It's very similar to Spock having that connection to Veeger and kind of knowing kind of like what Veeger's thoughts and motives are. One little side note is I never could understand why Veeger's and it was Spock of all individuals that he had this connection with. I guess maybe because they were both trying to find some sort of connection to humanity.
00:42:36
Speaker
And of course, it was obvious for story purposes for that to happen. But I always wondered why Spock was the one that Veeger picked. So what do you think about that connection? I think, again, I think you're spot on with that. Essentially, what we have in Star Trek, the motion picture, we have what we think is going to be a threat that has to be destroyed.
00:43:03
Speaker
before it gets to Earth become something entirely different once we establish that psychic connection. Once Major and Spock have that connection, it becomes a lot more that it opens up the story and it isn't necessarily about death, destruction.
00:43:24
Speaker
that it becomes about resolving the conflict through nonviolent means rather than violent means. And that's kind of the opposite of what happens in Star Wars, A New Hope, where an extreme act of violence is what brings characters together and opens up the galaxy to a different story and a different resolution.
00:43:51
Speaker
You kind of see where I'm going with this. Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. I got you on that. All right. So let's see. The next one that I came up with is both movies have a core group of characters and basically the
00:44:08
Speaker
the Trinity, I guess if you want to call them that. That's what they were called by Harv Bennett with Star Trek II. So in A New Hope, it introduces many characters. You've got Han, Luke, Leia, the droids, Chewbacca, Darth Vader, a whole group of them. However, really the Trinity of that movie and then going in through the original trilogy is Luke, Han, and Leia.
00:44:34
Speaker
It then sells. It's kind of their story. It's kind of like Chewbacca is kind of like the sidekick kind of along on the journey and same thing with C-3PO and R2-D2. You know, so I also noticed that in the motion picture. Now obviously the relationship between Kirk Spock and McCoy didn't just form in that movie. They were, it was already very well established in the original Star Trek series. So even though there wasn't a big focus on it in the motion picture,
00:45:01
Speaker
You can definitely tell that it's there, especially when they're talking in the, I don't know if it's a staff lounge or whatever, right after Spock's arrival on the ship. But it did reestablish that they are like kind of like the three main characters and then you kind of have the co-stars kind of going along on the journey with them throughout the rest of the movie, you know? So that was just like a basic thought. It's a simple thought, but it's just something I picked up on.
00:45:28
Speaker
No, no, you're absolutely right. I think that and again,
00:45:34
Speaker
Yes, you have that core group of characters. You have that trilogy, that trinity of characters in both Star Trek and Star Wars. And where the similarities are there, there's also a pretty stark contrast as well. The motion picture, Star Trek, the motion picture assumes that we are already familiar with Spock, Bones, and with Kirk.
00:45:59
Speaker
You know, it doesn't take the movie doesn't take the time to introduce these characters to People who've never seen Star Trek, you know, we're already supposed to understand that Kirk has this love affair with the Enterprise and we're already supposed to understand the relationship dynamic between the three characters how bones and Spock are constantly well, you know, they're
00:46:24
Speaker
They are friends, but they're also, in a way, they're also frenemies. They always butt heads and then Kirk has to kind of be the uniting force that brings them back together because Bones and Spock are such drastically different personalities. Bones is very much very emotional. He wears his heart on his sleeve and Spock
00:46:52
Speaker
You know, for the most part, Spock has, you know, various his emotions. It's always that cool contrast between the two. Yes. Star Wars, you know, is one of those movies that's instantly watchable by anyone, whether you're a fan of Star Wars or not.
00:47:10
Speaker
It takes the time to introduce us to our main characters. You know, we have that set up with Luke on Tatooine. We have the set up, you know, initially we get that perspective of the droids and then we get the, once the empire breaches Leia's consular ship, the Tanta V4, we get that introduction within the first act of the movie. We get that introduction of our characters. Again, there's, you've got
00:47:37
Speaker
While you've got the core group of characters, you've also got the characters are so vastly different from one another as far as what we have to know about them going into the films. Absolutely. Absolutely. All right. Kind of sticking along with the character groups, we have the next similarity is
00:48:00
Speaker
Both movies show a love of ships by their respective captives. So you can tell from the very get-go when Han talks about the Millennium Falcon that he's very, very proud of that ship. He talks about when Luke asks, is it a fast shipper? Was it Luke or was it Obi-Wan? I'm actually drawing a blank on who it was.
00:48:21
Speaker
Uh, yeah, it was Obi-Wan. Uh, okay. Yes. Okay. Okay. And then he seems kind of taken it back and was like, you never heard of the millennia Falcon is the ship that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs. You know, so there was that big sense of pride right from the start. Then they get to docking bay 94 and they start talking about, um, uh, Luke refers to the ship as a piece of junk or hunk of junk. And he once again, Han gets very defensive and talks about.
00:48:50
Speaker
how fast you get to a certain speed or whatever. So he's very very proud of that ship and you see it makes you get drawn into wanting to like the ship because Hans got such an appreciation for it. It's the same thing with Kirk and the Enterprise in the motion picture. Now the introduction of the Enterprise in the motion picture is a lot
00:49:12
Speaker
different than the introduction of the Millennium Falcon. The Falcon was just kind of like introduced. With the Enterprise, however, it gets what, an eight minutes flyover basically to show it off? Yeah, absolutely. Which makes sense because the Millennium Falcon was just being introduced. The Enterprise had 10 years of history
00:49:34
Speaker
with it and it was completely refit and redesigned. So it was a great way to reintroduce the ship. A lot of people were bored by that scene, but I think it's wonderful. And I think it shows you, it sets up why Kirk goes to the lengths that he does to get his ship back in the movie. Especially the part where after the travel pod turns and faces the front of the ship and they had that big fanfare or whatever from Jerry Goldsmith and Kirk's eyes are wide.
00:50:02
Speaker
And it looks like he's on the verge of crying basically. You know, just the love that you see for that ship at that moment. It's just, it's just incredible. And I think that's what that's something similar from both movies is that you see that love of the main ships in each one. Yeah, absolutely. And you're, you're right. You're right on the money with, you know, while the scene, you know, the eight minute introduction to the enterprise, uh, is a bit long, you know, and I'm kind of in the camp where it was a little too long.
00:50:33
Speaker
You could have shortened it. You could have potentially made the pod that took Scotty and Kirk to the enterprise a little bit faster or maybe not spent as much time with the maneuvering of the pod to make its way into the docking bay of the enterprise. But you're right on.
00:50:57
Speaker
Han Solo loves his ship and all the modifications that he made to it to make it his own. It's very similar in a way to how Kirk looks at the Enterprise, but the difference between how Kirk is in love with the Enterprise and he will never love
00:51:16
Speaker
anyone or anything else as much as he loves the enterprise. That's why he never got married. That's why he never has relationships with other human beings in a romantic sense. He has friendships, but not romantic relationships because his love is the ship.
00:51:34
Speaker
Han loves his ship, but obviously he loves Leia more You know, he has he he knows he realizes that the connection between Himself and his ship is not as is strong, but it's not as strong as the love he has for Leia Mm-hmm. Absolutely. It's a pretty cool contrast. Yeah, you're you're absolutely right I never thought of it that way that basically Kirk's wife was essentially the Enterprise. Mm-hmm
00:52:02
Speaker
You know, I mean, even in the series, he referred to it as a beautiful lady and we love her. You know, so you're right. I think that's, you're right. That's where his heart always belongs on that ship. Very good. All right. So now the last three similarities that I have actually go away basically from the character and the story and focus more on like things that like, I guess the product of it, I guess you could say.
Special Effects & Soundtracks
00:52:27
Speaker
So.
00:52:27
Speaker
The next thing I would say is that both of them have amazing model work and special effects. And that starts definitely with A New Hope. Before A New Hope came out, when they were talking about Star Trek movies, when they were talking about the God thing, and they were talking about Planet of the Titans, they were talking about modest budgets, three to five million dollars. So it would have been a very low budget kind of film.
00:52:51
Speaker
Well, when Star Wars New Hope came out, that all changed because I mean, look at the effects from that movie. I mean, they're revolutionary. They're pioneering. I mean, the level of detail, the models, and just the way that they fly. They don't look like they're models on strings being flown around like puppets. I mean, they really did amazing amount of work with the
00:53:12
Speaker
The camera work. I just I don't know how else to describe it. It's just a stop-motion camera. I think yes, yes, you know and just the kind of effects I mean, you just didn't see anything in the movies before that You know and because of that there it set that precedent for future special effects movies So do you think Paramount was gonna make a movie that? They kind of made the show to make the movie look like it did in the TV series back in the 60s That wasn't it wouldn't have gone over well
00:53:40
Speaker
So that's why Star Trek The Motion Picture used so much of its budget, and the budget actually blew into $44 million. A lot of it because of these special effects. Some of the stuff that they did in The Motion Picture is just amazing. Even though it's long, like we just talked about, but the enterprise being in that dry dock is just stunning. Even 40 years later, it's just amazing how good that looks.
00:54:07
Speaker
They wanted to make sure they had their version of Star Wars. They did definitely with the effects. The story, maybe not so much the pacing, but yeah, definitely the models and special effects. And just a little side note for me, I personally feel that the model work in all of these movies are much better than anything CGI can create. Absolutely. I mean, there's a lot to be said about practical models rather than using CGI to create something. It'll never be the same.
00:54:33
Speaker
and there's always gonna be it what you know what they refer to as the uncanny valley you know where your eyes are going to essentially be your eyes and your brain are gonna be tricked by you know to a point by CGI but they're never going to replace
00:54:52
Speaker
You know what can be created with you know with physical Components, you know, you kind of mentioned how both movies have amazing model work again Yeah I had I had mentioned during the you're very you know The very beginning of our discussion how the model work on the birds of prey was very much inspired by Star Wars It was rough. It was very it wasn't it wasn't
00:55:19
Speaker
smooth lines and very it wasn't looked that you know, you could tell that the Klingons were, you know, were more about making their ships practical, rather than making them things of beauty.
00:55:35
Speaker
the you know how the the Klingon birds of prey look and then after that scene we're introduced event you know to the enterprise and and how you know you've got that you've got that stark contrast between the utilitarian look and feel of the Klingon birds of prey and how those ships are basically they're they're war machines so they don't care about pretty lines and smooth surfaces like the the enterprise does
00:56:01
Speaker
You know the enterprise has those Symmetrical warp nacelles and it has that perfect saucer section where you know, then you kind of compare that to the look of the Millennium Falcon and how that the Millennium Falcon is very asymmetrical, you know, you've got the cockpit offset from a
00:56:21
Speaker
the saucer section of the Millennium Falcon, you've got the radar dish on the Falcon that breaks those clean lines and provides a huge contrast between the main ships of each respective movie.
00:56:37
Speaker
That you know the Klingon birds of prey are much more in line with the look of the millennium falcon Than than the enterprise is and you know, that's a big part of that. You know also is how
00:56:52
Speaker
Star Trek is always an idealized version of the heat of humanity So everything looks futuristic everything looks clean because it's meant to be an ideal You know a look forward into the future of what the human race can accomplish where? Star Trek or sorry where Star Wars it takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far far away the
00:57:20
Speaker
Star Wars and its galaxy feels much more lived in and in a way it's more vibrant than the motion picture. Right, absolutely. And you know, and also you think about it with Star Wars, I mean, it's during a time of tyranny that's going on. So a lot of things are going to look jumbly and piece together because just by scrapping by with getting whatever supplies they can get the fight against the Empire.
00:57:43
Speaker
You know, so it fit that trilogy very well. Yeah, absolutely. Do you want to introduce our next similarity? Both movies have iconic soundtracks. So obviously John Williams created the soundtracks for New Hope and basically for the whole Skywalker saga at this point. He created unique themes for many of the characters for Luke, for Leia.
00:58:07
Speaker
Eventually, they came on with the Empire, had an imperial march. And like I said earlier in our discussion here, the opening fanfare immediately draws viewers into the movie and establishes the pace. Well, the motion picture does something very similar. The music is a little bit, maybe slower, a little more gentle than it is in A New Hope. But I mean, you do, one thing that I think is really neat, I used to hate it because I thought it was boring, was Ilea's theme.
00:58:37
Speaker
Um, but I think what actually it does is it sets the love relationship between Decker and I, Leah, but also kind of has like a feeling of like what the grandness of space is about and kind of what the whole topic of the motion picture is about that sense of wonder, um, as it said in one of the TV spots for the emotion picture on it all. Oh, I just had it in my head. Now it disappeared. It will startle your senses. I think is what they said.
00:59:03
Speaker
Really it does that kind of makes you have like this kind of sense of wonder and the idea theme is used in a lot of the trailers for For the movie, especially the TV spots What about you? What do you think about the soundtracks? I think again, like you said, they're both iconic in their own way, you know, John Williams
00:59:24
Speaker
Certainly has you know and Jerry Goldsmith both have their main fanfare their main theme that introduces the movie But and but yeah, like you said I leah is really the only character in Star Trek the motion picture that gets a dedicated theme
00:59:39
Speaker
So yeah, you kind of you know, you have both movies that had their iconic themes that introduced the movie But again, the similarities kind of end there John Williams creates theme songs for so many of the characters He has a theme for the force. He has a theme for the binary sunsets on Tatooine which again Eventually the binary sunset music becomes the force theme
01:00:06
Speaker
Um, but at the time of star wars, uh, episode four, there were two different songs. One was the forest theme and then binary sunsets. Again, that's just the evolution of things. But yeah, like in, in, in Star Trek, the motion picture, the only character that really gets a theme is Ilia. Both movies feature such good music and it's just the way that they're used in each film is different. Exactly.
1970s Sci-fi Aesthetic
01:00:32
Speaker
Exactly.
01:00:32
Speaker
And just as a side note with the motion picture real quick, you were talking earlier about how the motion picture theme is used for Next Generation. Well, it also introduces the Klingon Imperial, I guess you wanna call it the Imperial March, just the Klingon theme. So it established something very important, just like A New Hope establishes the themes that are gonna continue on for the motion picture. So I wanted to make our list have 10 similarities.
01:01:03
Speaker
This one I really stretched on. And you're probably going to laugh at me when I bring this stuff up. Here goes. So they both clearly look like they're products of the 1970s, specifically 1970 sci-fi. So if you look at the costumes in both Star Wars New Hope and in the motion picture, the colors are very muted. You've got a lot of like whites or like light blues or grays, some tan kind of stuff.
01:01:32
Speaker
It's not really colorful and bubbly. Think about the Phantom Menace from 1999. They always had some really bright colors to them. And then as you move on into the movie franchise, then they move into those maroon-colored military-looking uniforms. I mean, the motion picture has some very flat, dull kind of colors, I guess you kind of say.
01:01:57
Speaker
So also I noticed that it's not so much in A New Hope, but in the motion picture, they have, if you look at a lot of the 23rd century humans in like the tram station, look at some of the clothes that they're wearing. They're very like rogue, kind of like very flowy, kind of minimalistic kind of stuff. Now you don't see a whole lot of that in that or in a new hope, but if you look at sci-fi and it was depicted in the 1970s,
01:02:25
Speaker
Battlestar Galactica, Logan's Run, some other post-apocalyptic kind of movies. And then if you look at some of the other projects that Gene Roddenberry created, I don't know if you're familiar with Genesis 2, Planet Earth, and Strange New Worlds. But a lot of those future humans have that same kind of roby, flowy, minimalistic kind of look to it. So it's very interesting to me. And also, this is just, this is weird and stupid probably, but
01:02:53
Speaker
very 1970s with the 70s porn stashes. You see a couple of people here and there in both the New Hope and in the motion picture with those porn stashes. It dates, it makes it look very 70s. That was my stretch for number 10 of the similarities. Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch.
01:03:12
Speaker
the fact that you mentioned the mustaches. I've just got this mental image now of Biggs from A New Hope, Luke's friend Biggs, and that mustache. Yeah, it's very, very 1970s. Yes. I don't know where that came from, but it just popped in my head. For me, it's in the motion picture when you see Spock doing the Vulcan neck pinch, Vulcan neck pinch on that guy in the space suit room.
01:03:42
Speaker
Yep. The airlock. That's what I was thinking about. Yes, absolutely. Yep. You got it. So yeah, that's that's that's the best we could come up with as far as a 10th point. You can kind of know we're really stretching at this point, but for the sake of having a top 10 list, we got there. Yes. I wasn't sure if we were going to make it to 10. I thought maybe four. I really thought it was going to happen. Yeah. But.
01:04:11
Speaker
Thanks again, Chris, for that. The amount of effort that you put into this was incredible. I enjoyed our discussion once again, as I always do. I think that's going to wrap us up for now, for this episode, as far as our featured discussion is concerned.
Listener Feedback & Conclusion
01:04:28
Speaker
The last thing I just want to bring up is we got some feedback on our last episode in our interview with Landry Walker. So on Twitter, a friend of mine, Chris, who goes by, are you
01:04:40
Speaker
Serious Chris on Twitter. He said kudos to logs and light pod for the fantastic interview with Landry Q Walker He said he goes on to say great insight and the realization that no matter how hard I try I will never go to a birthday party as cool as the one Landry went to That's great. So
01:05:01
Speaker
Hey, thanks, Chris, for responding and giving us the kudos on the episode. We really appreciate it. And we hope you like this one as well. All right. That's going to do it for us for episode six of Captain's Logs and Lightsabers. Thank you for listening. And we hope you look forward to our next discussion, whatever it may be. The theme music for our show was composed for us by Chip Kramer.
01:05:28
Speaker
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01:05:56
Speaker
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01:06:21
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