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The Assassination of James A. Garfield, Part One
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New series alert! On today's episode, we learn about how Nikki's hyperfixations form, and meet President James A. Garfield.
Note: Our sound is a bit wonky in this episode. Our intrepid producer/editor did her best, but you may have to turn your volume up. Thanks you understanding!
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Introduction: Nikki and Aunt Joy's Hyper-Fixation Podcast
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Welcome to Fixate Today Gone Tomorrow. I'm Nikki and I'm here with my Aunt Joy. We are two neurodivergent ladies who obsess about various topics. Joy is autistic and I have ADHD and we are letting our hyper fixations fly.
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Today we are fixating on the assassination of President James A. Garfield.
Joy's Unexpected Interest in Garfield's Assassination
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It feels like it's been so long since I've done the intro because we've done the book clubs. Yeah, yeah. This is so funny because, yeah, like we always think things we we fixate on.
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When Nikki told me this subject, I'm like, that's the least bit interesting to me. and in fact, as I was telling my family, they sort of said the same thing.
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They're going to love it. This wasn't Nikki fixation, but as I like, I wanted to go like kind of read up on it so I could understand. Mm-hmm. And it is good.
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Like, I will admit that i got I got sucked into it. Yeah. And I didn't even know about, like, the stuff we'll get into in a couple episodes until recently about the assassin.
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And it's all a hot mess. it's so It's a wild story. And it was one of the ones that, like, when we first started the podcast was, like, way up high on my list. And even then I was like, um.
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Yeah. Really? So, anyways. Yeah. And my, what I got it really into is the assassin
Podcast Sources and Joy's Key West Vacation
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stuff. So yeah, next week I've got lots to add, but today yes you are going to take the wheel.
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So my main sources that I'm going to use for these episodes are Susan Wells' book called An Assassin and Utopia. And this is along with a book talk she did at my library.
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The book Assassination Vacation by Sarah Vowell, The New York Times, WhiteHouse.gov, The Dollop Podcast, Crimes of the Centuries Podcast, and Wikipedia.
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And before we get going... This is Joy. i am actually on vacation and I am in Key West and I am in the tiniest hotel room you have ever seen. Gorgeous, but so tiny. So anyways, you may hear ah anything because it's such a, it's like a closet. So people walking by or so anyways. Yeah.
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Who knows what we'll hear, but she's in Key West, so she doesn't actually super care. Yeah.
The Assassination of James A. Garfield
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James A. Garfield was the 20th President of the United States. He was shot on July 2, 1881, less than four months after taking office, at the Baltimore Potomac Railroad Station in Washington, D.C.
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He died 79 days later in Elberon, New Jersey, on September 19, 1881.
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His assassin, Charles Gatteau, was hanged on June 30th, 1882, two days before the year anniversary of the shooting. Okay, going to stop you there.
00:03:06
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couple questions. First of all, why is it hanged, not hung? I have no idea. I only learned it like up person is hanged, a picture is hung.
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Okay. and like But I don't know why. i have no idea why. i have the same issue with pleaded and pledged. Yeah. That one, I don't know the difference. Okay. This has nothing to do with the actual podcast, but I wondered.
00:03:31
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um And also Garfield, so how long was he did he hold the presidency then? So I believe- the He was an incumbent, right? Yes. Yes.
00:03:43
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I think so. Okay. And I think because he was conscious for some times, not conscious for the other. So I think the vice president stepped in. but So he was like actively in office, physically doing president things for four months.
Presidential Incapacitation Procedures: Then and Now
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Okay. And actually, I think as I was talking about this earlier, that kind of has something to do, my daughter said, with JFK and like also with, you know, like when presidents go have procedures done.
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And theyre yeah, but that it kind of this was the start of like realizing um they needed procedures for that. Yeah, incapacitated in how it, yeah like, during that time, but you know. It was during um the last administration, I think Biden had to do some sort of medical procedure that he had to be put under. So Kamala Harris was president for like an hour. and Yeah, and I believe this is, it a lot of that has to do with- They needed a plan.
Sondheim's 'Assassins' and Personal Connections
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This whole, yeah. yep So before we jump too much into the story, um i want to talk about why I became obsessed with this random historical story.
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And the first reason is because I'm obsessed with the musical Assassins. So Assassins is an original musical with music and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim.
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It was inspired by a play written by Charles Gilbert Jr. about a Vietnam vet who becomes a presidential assassin. So Sondheim was inspired by the title as well as different quotes from historical figures just doing research and stuff.
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assassins premiered off broadway on december 18th 1990 and premiered on broadway in 2004 and four and it got the tony for best revival of a musical that year i did not know about this particular musical and i'm really excited it's so good so the character who is the assassination of james garfield in the musical um is played by Dennis O'Hare, who I love, yeah in the original Broadway cast. And that's the album, like the cast recording. I know there have bunch of other cast recordings, but the one with Dennis O'Hare is the one that I can like perform for you right now.
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So the musical is presented like an old time review to the backdrop of a carnival. The show portrays historical figures who assassinated or attempt to assassinate U.S. presidents.
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It was produced by Roundabout Theater and ran from April 22, 2004 to July 18, 2004 after 101 performances. But it was supposed to premiere in late 2001, but was indefinitely postponed after the 9-11 attacks.
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It felt like not the best taste to have a production about political assassins after 9-11. Yeah. that probably a good choice. The venue, the theater it was in was Studio 54.
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And so this is my not so humble brag. One of my best friends in the entire world works at Roundabout Theater. And for my birthday, she got me.
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this cast recording signed by the original cast. Oh my gosh. And because this is a podcast, nobody can see it, but I just saw it It's got Neil Patrick Harris. It's got Mario Cantone.
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It's got Dennis O'Hare.
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But she is known for going into like the attic of Roundabout Theater and finding me, finding me treasures and sending them to me. That's very cool.
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So I want to talk a little bit about specifically Charles Gatot, his storyline in the show, just really quick. And yeah, he's the assassin, right? Yep. Charles Gatot. He's the man who assassinated James Garfield.
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um During the show, he toasts to the president and shows a desire to be named. I'm trying so hard not to like, I'm not going to sing, but the way he's like, say it the way he says it, he was ambassador to France.
00:07:50
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He wants to be the ambassador to France. Well, I love that. Didn't he like first want to be the and ambassador to Vienna and then like, no. And then he's like, okay, then I want Paris.
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Yeah. Like, that's like saying, can I have this silver ring? No. Okay. Then I want the gold one. Yep. Exactly. But no shame on me nobody, but with nobody offering you a ring, no you just decided you want it. No, you just want it.
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During the show, he argues with the other assassins about the definition of the American dream. He sings about how a gun has the power to change a world. This is just like, I just love these little bits of his storyline because it's like, this show wild.
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He flirts with Sarah Jane Moore, who had attempted to assassinate President Ford. when he When she rebuffs him, he attacks her until she fires a gun startling him.
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And he, in that moment, declares himself to be extraordinary. um In the show, he meets President Garfield and directly asks to be the ambassador to France. um In the show, Garfield mocks and refuses and Guiteau shoots him.
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And the execut it's called the execution song. It's called The Ballad of Guiteau. In that song, he it's actually the lyrics from the song comes from a poem that Guiteau actually wrote the morning of his execution called i Am Going to the Lordy.
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And he like merrily dances to the noose, like singing this like unhinged wild song, getting like increasingly almost like delusionally optimistic.
00:09:33
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Well, okay. I'm jumping ahead a little bit because I did actually kind of read about this. So he's reciting this poem that he had written that morning at 10. In between, he's sobbing.
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This is not the musical. This is like what really happened. And at one point he even lays his head on the shoulder of another man. Now, I don't know if that's another man who's about to be hung.
00:09:58
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If that may be the other man who is going to hang him, but that just sticks my mind. Yeah. and Yeah. And as we go through, we'll like that kind of temperament is a through line of his entire life, which makes, i guess that's what makes it.
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maybe an easy musical. plenty Great storyline. ah Yes. Yeah. hit Like his, everything's crazy enough that then it translates pretty well into a comedic. me dick Yes, because this is, for as dark as it is, kind of like a brighter part of the show. It's like ah not as dark.
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and Like there is comedy in it. ah So he is hanged. ah Toward the end of the show, he comes back as a ghost. All of the assassins come back as a ghost and encourage Lee Harvey Oswald at the Texas School Book Depository.
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who was, of course, the assassination of JFK. So in the show at that time, it's like Lee Harvey Oswald's like thinking through the options and all the ghosts of the assassins are like, do it, do it.
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ah So the main theme of him in the show is optimism and idealism. These very like, it's very dreamlike and waltzy. But when he fails in anything, it turns into like straight anger and rage.
00:11:24
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So it's almost like this entitled idealism. Interesting. Yeah. So that's an overview of how Assassins explained it and my introduction to the story.
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I have I'm going to the Lordy in my head a lot of times. So I've never heard it, but now I want i want to hear it or at least read it.
Exploring 'Assassination Vacation' by Sarah Vowell
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Yes. Yeah.
00:11:48
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So the next my next kind of introduction was actually through my friend at Roundabout Theater again. i lived with her for a while and we both got obsessed with the musical. And then she gave me a book called Assassination Vacation.
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Sarah Vowell is the author and she's written a lot of really interesting historical nonfiction. That are almost like like this one's almost like a travelogue. It's it's she's actually literally driving to assassination sites or historical sites related to assassinations or attempted assassinations.
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say it but That's super cool. Yeah, isn't it? and And then the preface of the book is her attending a production of assassins. So this, I wrote out some things that are, I reread Assassination, actually just the Charles Guiteau part, if I'm being honest.
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I reread this part, just wanting to pull out some of the interesting things that she talks about. And I feel like we're going to get a little bit ahead of ourselves, but she has some like really great insights and thoughts about different things that'll make more sense later. But I just kind of wanted to pull some of that.
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So I had no idea about this. ah But at the Mutter Museum in Philadelphia, they have a portion of Charles Gatteau's brain on display. read that. Isn't that wild? So the reasoning given is the importance of storing for the potential of DNA testing or studying. Like, I think that's why they saved his brain in the first place.
00:13:21
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He kind of has a lot of, like, psychological... issues we'll be finding out about so maybe so in the future they may think so like they may want to study it or that maybe they thought right they were going to i'm assuming now that on display yeah if there was like some sort of something they could match in brains of different people who killed somebody or you know there's this one spot in the brain that matches and all of these So yeah, just an alert here.
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He's super crazy and we'll talk about that more, but that would be the reason I'm assuming they would want to study his brain. Yes. Possibly. And there is also, there has been, I don't think this has been proven or disproven, and I haven't heard a lot of places, but perhaps also keeping the portion of his brain um is due to a suggestion or the thought that he may have had neurosyphilis.
00:14:22
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So that's when got the syphilis gets so bad, it obviously hits your brain. So a quote from the book I wanted to read is James A. Garfield wrote, is the deadest of deadmen so faceless that even a third grader who just got a gold star on her garfield report would be hard pressed to pick him out of a lineup and it's kind true i know his because he was in office for such a short time his kind of impact is being assassinated i'm gonna be honest i kept looking up andrew garfield when i was i did too okay or that's what would pop up automatically
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Yeah. and Okay. Yeah. I mean, poor guy. just kind of got yeah looked over in history. Right.
Garfield's Presidency and Assassination Impact
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Garfield was shot two months before he actually died.
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And it's just wild. And the way people would people would just like go to the newsstand and be like, oh, how's the president doing? for Garfield was elected as a man who could reunite the Republican Party who were divided about the Civil War.
00:15:30
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ah And then Sarah Val writes, Charles J. Guiteau is James A. Garfield's cracked mirror image. Okay, I don't get that. Is it like a metaphor? It is, yeah.
00:15:40
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So basically, she writes a lot about how Garfield was just this huge reader. He loved learning, and he truly like wanted to retreat and just be with loved ones.
00:15:52
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What we'll see is that's kind of what Charles Guiteau wanted also. He just did it all wrong and did it with this air of entitlement and not a great work ethic to actually get to a place where you can enjoy those things in life.
00:16:10
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Okay. I'll say, because when you said that, I was taking it as, because in history, people don't remember Garfield very much, but They do like his assassination and it's assassin. Yeah.
00:16:28
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Overshines the memory of him. Yeah. That is a thing. Yeah. um So I want to talk like quickly about the trial and and we're not going to get too into it, but Sarah Val said a couple of really interesting things.
Charles Guiteau's Trial and Personal History
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His spine, Garfield's spine was passed around during the trial as evidence. This trial, I mean, had to have been crazy.
00:16:54
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ah So like the bullet like trajectory hit his vertebra vertebrae. but just missed the spinal cord. I think so. is that I think that's what it is. So i assume that's how they're trying to to to share that yeah right with the jurors.
00:17:12
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But what you said about the trial is that was really the only like somber moment of the trial. So I'm going little flash ahead. so this trial, when we talk about it, it seems very much, it reminds me of... um for like true crime people in the current day, like the Lori Vallow representing herself trial.
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Like it was a media circus for its day. Yeah, absolutely. didn't even think about that. I was thinking of like the Manson trial, but the opposite because the Manson, like everything that was so unhinged about the Manson trial was like terrifying and dark and the like outbursts and all of the things like that in Godot's trial was like they were all making fun of him.
00:18:05
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So it's well and so it's like history repeats itself and it's ah That we see over and over. yeah um Another interesting thing about the trial that we'll get into later is the defense introduced the relatively new defense strategy of insanity. Yeah.
00:18:24
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Temporary insanity, right? I think they called it temporary insanity, yeah. But it hadn't really been used that much up till then. It's like started, okay. He, yeah of course, was found guilty. Of course, a person like Gato would appeal and lost.
00:18:41
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um But while he was in prison, this is where he wrote a series of these, like, unhinged plays and songs and just ramblings. Yeah.
00:18:52
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And that's where he wrote, I'm going to the Lordy before he was hanged. i think um it's interesting. He was actually, hanged which i really want to say hung but say whatever you want it's fine like within a it was like a year of the time since the assassination and that's with the appeal can you imagine i know just it must have been a lot more streamlined back then i know i think that all the time with like these older like old-timey cases where like he died on a tuesday and i was in court on friday um
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So the last thing that like kicked me up to the next level of obsession is a book talk I attended at my library um by the author Susan Wells, who wrote the book An Assassin in Utopia.
00:19:39
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So this was like a video call and we'll get, of course, we'll get to this, but Guteau was trying to be a part of, I'm going to call it a cult.
00:19:52
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People today get very touchy with that word at the house that still stands in my area. But he was attempting to join this high control group, religious group.
00:20:05
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And got kicked out of the sex cult, basically.
00:20:10
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I so want to jump ahead and talk about it more, but. I know. We have to wait. We have to wait. um And in her book, she says that Gato, like her kind of theory is that he was one of the early examples of an incel.
00:20:27
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somebody who thinks that they are entitled to sex and women and when they don't get it that means there's a wrong against against him and he needs to act out in a way to show them and i've very i've actually been reading the book about the idaho for murders and that that's you yeah that same topic comes up and and it really has made me sort of yeah think again we can get into it later But um it is an interesting personality trait or – but, yeah, I could definitely see that. sad thing about this guy is that, like, he joined the sex cult.
00:21:10
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And they were like, nah. Yes. That is next level right there. Yeah. You're too weird for the sex cult. up But it's with reading this book that I realized the community, they're called the Oneida community. They're, I guess, headquarters. I don't know. they built They lived in this like kind of giant house and they built some different structures.
00:21:37
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That is 45 minutes away from me and you can stay there. And my husband and I have now stayed there twice. That's awesome. but So romantic. So romantic.
00:21:50
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We walked around looking for ghosts.
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But it is them. if you I will tell anybody, if you if you're going to the Oneida Mansion house, do not use the word cult. They get very upset. they They have strong feelings that it was it was a community and not a cult.
00:22:07
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All right. So that is my obsession. 30 minutes of why I'm obsessed with this topic. Now let's get into it, actually. And we're going to just kind of I'm going to give kind of a quick background about James Garfield, because as you said, we don't know a lot about him.
00:22:21
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We know he was assassinated. I'll do my best to stay quiet on this one. That's all right. James A.
Garfield's Early Life and Political Ascent
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Garfield was born November 1831 in Moreland hills Ohio.
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His father, Abram, died when he was 18 months old in a fire. However, it wasn't the actual fire that killed him. It was the doctor placed a blister on Abram's neck to draw out the infection.
00:22:51
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And the infection got drawn into his throat and Abram choked to death on infection. It was like, like don't entirely know what this means.
00:23:03
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Blister beetle secretion. Okay, here's the thing. I know exactly what that is. and Oh my gosh, tell me. Because I was sitting here looking like blister. i don't and And if you Google blister infection, it shows you a bliss an infected blister this is on your foot.
00:23:19
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so Yes, that's why I know about it. adam so but um Okay, so the blister beetle literally has a like i don't know secretion that it causes horrible blisters on on physical contact.
00:23:34
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okay And I know this because, sorry, this is gross guys, but my husband had planters warts, which are warts on the bottom of your feet, but they like, because they're on your feet, they grow in, so it's like harder to get rid of them.
00:23:48
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So um we he went to a doctor and they make this compound, specific compound um with this this product or with this with this ingredient that is from the blister beetle.
00:24:04
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And it worked so amazingly on him, but like creepy, like it blew up immediately. it was huge. And I actually looked into this because I wanted to like read more about this basically ingredient. and And it's like outlawed in the US, except for like to compound...
00:24:25
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like these type of compounds other than that like you can't use this product in the u.s but it really is a thing they really are called the blister beetles i can tell you from personal experience it they work it works really well and would be scary if you had it in large quantities um yeah well the thought of then putting it do they put it down his throat or on his neck it said on his neck okay But then I fully could, I mean, it's it's so effective in making this blister. I could definitely see how that infection would set in.
00:24:59
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Yeah. Anyways. Okay. Thank you. Because I'm like, I don't understand. Place to blister? No. What does that mean? not We had not talked about it before this. I was hoping you'd know something and I was just going to move on. Like, I totally know what this is. So exciting. All right. Now I'll try to stop talking again.
00:25:21
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But why this is important is because we'll find that Garfield died in a similar way, that the injury or the act of being shot or whatever wasn't what ended up killing him.
00:25:37
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And so this happened with the his father. the fire and the burns he had got wasn't the thing that killed him. It was the doctor's intervention. Because his father died when he was so young, the family was basically penniless.
00:25:51
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Eliza Garfield, ah who's James's mother, built a school log house. She was a teacher. And because of that, James was incredibly smart. he was ah strong they called him burly just like a nice kid i love this too he quit school to become a sailor in the erie canal which is also by me but couldn't swim fell into the water 14 times in six weeks but to be fair the erie canal is not really that deep it's not okay
00:26:24
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but Just saying. her Smart guy. live it. Is deep enough that he contracted malaria. Okay. So after that, he returned to education.
00:26:35
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um He went to school and he taught. I guess the older kids could teach sometimes. um But he even practiced carpentry to be able to afford his education.
00:26:47
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He was idolized by his classmates and he's just like a regular guy. Smart guy. Bad swimmer. Yes, like exactly. Soon after, he met his wife, Lucretia.
00:26:59
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She was very shy and quiet, uptight and nervous, but very wealthy. Perfect. Perfect. However, James had multiple affairs during their engagement.
00:27:13
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And a quote attributes this to, quote, mismatched libidos. Oh, my God.
00:27:23
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oh Oh my gosh. I could just see that being like a... I can hear like that being justification used by somebody now. like for yeah Like for divorce.
00:27:36
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You know what i mean? like irreconcilable differences are and We need to bring that term back.
00:27:46
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I think we need to use it more. i think think we think we do too.
00:27:51
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ah In the 1850s, Garfield was the youngest member of the Ohio State Senate. He was an abolitionist and he wanted basically slavery to stop as the Western expansion was underway. So it kind of wouldn't spread around more throughout the country.
00:28:10
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He campaigned for Lincoln, of course, having these beliefs. um He was against Southern secession and he fought in the Civil War. However, he was sent home after a diagnosis of dysentery and hemorrhoids.
00:28:25
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Yikes. not sure what to make of this guy. He's all burly, but then... Yeah. yeah Okay. Getting a lot of ailments, but surviving. Okay, yeah.
00:28:38
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James and Lucretia, as you said, who is called Crete, had seven children. However, they lost two of their kids. The oldest, Eliza, died at age three, and the youngest, Edward, died as a toddler.
00:28:53
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Guess they worked out the difference in libido. Seems like it. It does seem like once they were married, he worshipped her. um good. I think you just figured out, like... In fact, he was so invested in their family, he left some presidential duties incomplete once he was elected president to take care of his wife and the kids.
00:29:16
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she She was... I feel like... I think she was sickly a lot, and he would just be like, I gotta to go take care of my wife, and you guys figure it out. don't see that much anymore.
00:29:27
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No. ah Garfield refused extra security when he was president, or security at all. He didn't believe he was in the same danger that Lincoln was during the Civil War.
00:29:38
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So this was even after Lincoln's assassination. He was like, they don't care about me as much. I'm fine.
Garfield's Security Beliefs and Episode Preview
00:29:46
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And interesting how history always stays connected.
00:29:52
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Lincoln's son, Robert, was Garfield's Secretary of War. So basically Garfield thought enough of Lincoln and and valued him as a president enough to ask his son to join his cabinet.
00:30:06
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That's cool. So feel like this was a bit of a scattered episode. It's a bit of a shorter episode, but I wanted to save the cuckoo bananas stuff for their own episodes.
00:30:19
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I kind of do a little bit of... a brief overview of who Garfield is. So we have some context going into everything else that happens. No, that's perfect. Cause it just craziness from here. And it's nice to have yeah that. Understanding.
00:30:36
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I for sure recommend. Those books, An Assassin and Utopia and Assassination Vacation, if anybody's looking for ah ah book to read. They actually sell both of the books at the Oneida Mansion House.
00:30:50
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Nice plug. Yes. Yeah, I love it. um So next episode, we're going to talk about Charles J. Goteau. And there's quite a bit about him. So...
00:31:01
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I'm going to say that's going to be a longer episode. Yeah, for sure. Longer than this one, certainly. But it's going to be an episode. Because I think we're going to have more to chit-chat about, too. Yeah. might have to cut the end of two. But, yeah. He's he's a character.
00:31:15
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He's a character for sure. And then we are going to get into the Oneida community. And then um with all of that knowledge, then we'll get into the timeline of the assassination, which could just be its own thing.
00:31:30
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Even without all of this like background context and stuff, the assassination itself could just be its own information and story because that's even wild.
00:31:41
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So lesson learned is, I almost said Andrew. James Garfield should hold ah bigger place in our history books, if not just for the fact that he had a crazy assassin in the assassins. Yep.
00:31:57
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Yep. And a lot should be learned from his death. So, all right, shorty, but I liked it. And um we should let Joy get back to Key West. So we're going to end it here. Yay.
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Out to the pool. Yes. Enjoy. right, guys. Take care. see you next time. Bye.