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On tonight's episode we fix nascar with our guests benji and Jeff and we talk about how to improve the racing industry for the North America circuits
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Introduction and Nine-Foot-Tall Son
00:01:11
Speaker
you ahs so bad i like that Welcome everybody to another episode of speedway stories and full volume conversation I got my buddy Jeff on here with us, which is one of the guys on the channel I'm welcome um'm gonna bring up my son. I'm Jeff I'm actually gonna have the boy come on tonight. He wants to come on for all right um'm I'm good What's going on buddy what's up Are you? You're that nine foot tall beast that lives in the house. I know.
00:01:48
Speaker
You know. Yeah, you you were ah you were the talk of the of the night Saturday night standing behind me. So of course I was. Well, you know, Saturday nights is one of those nights where it's like we don't plan anything. And then you walked in the background. we We're like, oh, shit, there's a monster in your house. ah Oh, yeah.
00:02:14
Speaker
Yeah. so So what do you got for us today, Wally? I got your background set. see your back Thank you, sir. So what do you guys want to talk about tonight on the ah anything on the Speedway stuff or any reptile stuff?
Tractor Pulls and Truck Mechanics
00:02:30
Speaker
Hit me up with that. You know, I actually have a question. um And it's something I've been watching a lot lately, and I don't know why.
00:02:38
Speaker
um I've been watching a lot of the German tractor pulls. These guys are running like four jet engines on go-kart wheels on the front and these 65-inch tires on the back. I don't understand the concept of... I understand the concept of how a tractor pull and truck pull work. I don't know if I would be able to do it.
00:03:07
Speaker
Does that make sense? Like, you know what I mean? Like, I'm 90% sure I'm going to stall the truck out. Like, even if I'm just grabbing a 3500 Chevy, ducking it up to the back, the whole spinning of the tire to get the spool up, it's counterintuitive to me. Right. Well, one of the thing is on this, and actually you want to go ahead and take this, bud? You can know a little bit about this, kind of explain a little bit how that works.
00:03:35
Speaker
Most times, people put it up in hyperdrive when they go to spin their tires, but not always. It just depends on the truck pull you have. under understood It also depends on the speed of the truck and the weight behind it. On that too, with the truck and truck and pulling, especially like in the prem stocks and the modified class, basically actually all pulling They have to have their RPMs, they have a set limit on their RPMs, and they release the clutch once they hit that RPM. But now with like what you were talking, Jeff, the modifieds like that, they literally have to have those things are spooling up with those multi engines or those turbo engines.
00:04:23
Speaker
They're almost up to 9-10,000 the team before they let those wheels let the clutch out on those to go. Well, yeah, well, some of those trucks I was so i was saw one the other day that had like 22,000 horsepower. I was like, coin I can't fathom that. You know, i'm I'm a speed guy.
Powerful Trucks and Modified Vehicles
00:04:38
Speaker
I i know cars, i know I know the definition of horsepower, but 22,000 horsepower,
00:04:45
Speaker
I know people that can't handle a hundred horsepower truck, you know, right but I mean, it's just trying to put all that, they're trying to put that all down on dirt. And it basically they, I've seen it's on online. They've had it where those were wheels on a lot of those tractors and modified they're spending almost 200 mile an hour. And it's like, they're barely moving. Yeah. Because of that when they were late. So, uh, there was a ah ah guy, he lived, I think.
00:05:15
Speaker
maybe a mile down the road and he had a modified truck pulling truck. parties And, and I'm talking, you know, I lived in a Valley and this guy, this guy was easily a mile, mile and a half way. And if he would start that sucker, we knew it. You'd be in the, in the living room and be like, yeah, he's starting the truck. You know, one of those deals.
00:05:39
Speaker
Oh, there's nothing better than that exhaust sound. The the sound of those those vehicles are just, oh! well now it's how excited he's the boy showed me uh some things with those german pools they're using giant turbines i mean it's like giant turbine it's not a a multiple jet motors yeah one big wheel when it's like how the hell did they get those things to work but they did yeah i well i watched a guy the other day and not to get off the subject of pulling but i watched a guy the other day he's got
00:06:17
Speaker
ah He's got a t-bucket board from like 1920 something like that But he's running four v8s with eight superchargers. That thing's been on hot rod magazine I got a copy of that hot rod magazine actually he made yeah he runs and they're all planted v8s and Yeah, but but it's all running to one transmission I'm like, how do you see like the the mind of these because I know I can set up multiple v8s That's easy setting them up to one drive line It's explosive And on the unlike the multi-engine modified they actually have one drive train that comes off in the one they call the planetary but it's driven by
00:07:07
Speaker
One two major shafts like if you got four four motors One shaft on each side runs those two motors when it goes in the gear is okay Yeah, it's just so running the planetary gear because like he was they they were doing an interview with this guy And you he was saying that he he built his planetary gear and he had to use titanium Which I was like, well that's expensive right there. Yeah, two titanium gears and that he went through eight of them before he got it right. And I was like, how much money you got to burn? That sounds about right. kill yeah But yeah, with those planetary gears, there's a it's kind of like having the rock crawlers where they have the split put shifters in them. These planetary gears, they basically have that work and operate where it'll sink on all four motors.
00:08:05
Speaker
they have them and everything else with the drive train on those planetary gears. They're not cheap. That's for sure.
Costly Custom Car Builds
00:08:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. medium I can only imagine what that bill was. Well, you know.
00:08:16
Speaker
Well, I think he was, I think he owns like a a major company that that is, ah is also has its own machine shop. So I'm sure for him, it would be cheaper than if you and I did it because he owns a machine shop. We don't, you know, but the titanium alone was just my head exploded. He said titanium and my, and my wallet ran away. Your wallet, your house and everything else. yeah when you said that correct well And then I was watching another guy that, um,
00:08:47
Speaker
he Well, that's something I wanted to ask you and I've been meaning to ask you have you seen the tug-of-war trucks? Oh, yeah But these guys they they they run Mickey Thompson 50s all the way around Right and they're on a drag strip. Do they have anything like that in Ohio? Yeah, they actually actually they put them on that they have the tug wars now It's actually they got a pad at the mud runs majority of the big mud. Do they really? Yeah, but Mud runs are kind of dying off here in Ohio now since you left man. It's gotten kind of scared But when they do because I was the all best at it. I'm just saying Well, there's a Show that they put on like in Texas. It's called rednecks with paychecks. They got a yeah Huge like a hundred foot pad that they do stuff with the tugs on it still they have the wars But yeah, not so much up around here. It's kind of
00:09:43
Speaker
died off because people the insurance is killing them up here. Well, it's it's not just the insurance. It's it's the ah cost to build that. You know, the the Mickey tops of 50 alone, that's like a $300 tire. You need four of them. And then of course, you know, you got to strengthen everything and get everything. Oh, it's, you know, I watched these things on YouTube and I'm like, well, that truck's a hundred grand. It doesn't look like it, but it is. Oh yeah. It may look like a 95 gen one Dodge, but it's a hundred grand every day, all day.
00:10:17
Speaker
Really the closest like mud runs everything we got around here doesn't work anything. It's actually a Michigan There's a guy I watch on YouTube that he goes and films them man. It's just in saying trucks gone wild It's called buddy 713. It's Michigan. It's a Michigan off-road I'm Yeah, dude you being it's amazing the crap I watched that trucks gone wild where I don't know You know this guy he goes around the country.
Extravagant Truck Events
00:10:45
Speaker
That's it's part of the redneck part of paychecks He does he travels yeah watch mega trucks and all that and some of those trucks are just
00:10:54
Speaker
A, gorgeous and B, way out of my price range. Well, some of those people you look at it when you see them get out, it's like, how do you afford something like this? Yeah. Well, you sell meth on the side, you know, calm down, Breaking Bad. Yeah, it's it's one of those weird things. But but the one the beauty of when it comes to mud running, at least when we did it, when we were kids, because we're grown adults now, we can't do that stuff because we have families and Well, we get in trouble now for it because we used to go, you know, a lot of there no more towers. I used to dominate towers. I'm just saying there's very few people that can take a single, a two wheel drive S10 through towers. I've done it twice. So they blocked, they blocked that off. Now you get caught over there. Really? They instantly impound you and take your ass to jail now for that shit. Yeah. They got rid of the thing. They never did it when I was a kid.
00:11:51
Speaker
Oh, no. Well, we also may have been not having fun, but at least we ah respected the farmer's fields that were by the places. Yeah, that's the kicker. well You can always tell the guys that drove through the farmer's fields because their hoods were all dented from the corn. Yeah. But that's what started down. um I don't know if you remember, been so long ago, remember a place called Batten that's going out towards ah Mohawk Dam? but mean Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.
00:12:19
Speaker
Well, they're, they're now officially pretty much putting a stop to that now because people are disrespecting private property. So now it comes down to, well, I think another thing, it's kind of like those, uh, have you ever seen those street corner ten takeovers? Oh yeah. They've ruined a lot of lot of shit, man. It comes down to the newer generation.
00:12:43
Speaker
you know, they they they end up drinking way too much, then they decide to do this. Where when we were kids, you know, we used to cruise Fifth Avenue. Oh, yeah, all the time. For hours. Well, a couple of hours in a tank full of gas. Used to go downtown, go cruising, then we'd hit up after we were after midnight, we kicked it and went up to Park Avenue until like four or five o'clock in the morning. So mean that this people's ruined it because they got irresponsible. There's been too much. Well, not that we were responsible about it. I would leave Park Avenue and have to go buy him a set of tires.
00:13:19
Speaker
I think everybody is. I'm that asshole. I'm that asshole. That or we had to go to the bank because we needed money from buying Taco Bell all night long. Yeah, that too. Well, I was like, Glick and I were talking about the other day, he's like, I got, I got banned from driving. I had that Chevy, that 87 Chevy Astro van. Yup. And I had way too much money in the motor.
00:13:42
Speaker
But I got banned from driving to school for like three months because as I left one day, I had a brand new set of tires and they were used by the time I was done. I didn't even leave. I was just sitting there, just rolling smoke. And it took 20 minutes for somebody else
Mustang GTD and High-Speed Driving
00:13:58
Speaker
schedule to be here. Hey, Ben. Hey, Jeff. said but Throw the link into the end of the comments so Benji can jump on you and we can talk some formula racing with them.
00:14:07
Speaker
So we know yes on that mean if he wants to jump on come on in Benji and jump in and I want to have Benji if you can and Benji by the way check your fucking what's up, dude because I've sent you like 50 messages including the GTD times On Jeff's garage one day. We were talking about the new for GTD That that Mustang GTD Yeah. It's a $320,000 Mustang. Oh, he just said he no longer has that phone, Jeff, so he's done it. Oh, that's probably why. Yeah. I'll give you a call. But but they they took it on the Nurburgring, finally. Really? Sub seven. Nuh-uh. Sub seven in a Mustang. Wasn't that what you were telling me about? You were you and your buddy Lee was watching?
00:15:01
Speaker
when you were up earlier, checking that out, going over there. That thing is sick. It's wicked. but But at the end of the day, I still can't justify $300,000 on a Mustang. I mean, I can see it in a way, but in a way I can't.
00:15:19
Speaker
Well, you know, Benji, Benji actually explained to me really well. They're getting rid of the Ford GT. Yeah. And the Mustang GTD is replacing it. Yeah. but coursez car It's still a fucking Mustang. Give it a cooler name. Give it something different. Right. But yeah, I mean, it's one of those deals. I mean, it's, but still the Ford GT is what puts Ford on the map, man. I'm sorry, but the Mustang ain't going to be the ultimate road course tour.
00:15:49
Speaker
I agree, Benji. They can definitely get it a little bit faster, play tuna a little bit. Unfortunately, they don't have somebody like 10 miles that can drive it. Yeah. each it just i Like he said, it's just going to take a good tuner. It's going to take somebody that can, you know, handle that, get it where it, get it as peak performance. I mean, that's what the any car, any colon, you know,
00:16:14
Speaker
Well, um, I think the dip, you know, especially on the Nurburg ring, you know, that's like, sorry, bucket list kind of thing. Right. I have to run the Nurburg ring, even if I'm doing it in a fucking station wagon. I don't care what I'm doing it in. I don't necessarily want to go fast on it. I want to hit a hundred tops because that wonderful track scares the shit out of me. i That track scares the shit out of me.
00:16:40
Speaker
well The Autobot, let's be honest, if you're brave enough, every car, every road is the Autobot, if you're brave enough. But the beauty the beauty of, I mean, from Belleville to the Greer Center was always the Autobot at six o'clock in the morning, I'm just saying. That's for anybody going, especially on 13, that was everybody's, let's see how that's doing. And 13 is like dead straight away. Yup, till you hit close to Vernon, then you got a few.
00:17:11
Speaker
And if you know what you're doing, you can get those curves just right. Oh, yes. Well, you've seen the movie Shawshank Redemption. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So at the end of the movie, Morgan Freeman's character gets off a bus and walks up a dirt road. The corner that he takes is in Butler, Ohio. Yeah, and that's not too far from your own house, wasn't it?
00:17:34
Speaker
Yeah, a stone's throw. That's what I thought. I used to take... I used to take... I had an 86 Mustang GT. Coop. Which the only thing I hated about it was the coop. And I used to come around that corner, and I realized that if you go from third to first, you can drift that corner like you read about.
00:18:01
Speaker
All right. I got a quick question.
Demo Derby and Rough Truck Driving
00:18:03
Speaker
The boy, why don't you just fill us in on the stuff that I've introduced you to and what you like for your motorsports, man? What's your lower sport of choice? Me personally, I like demo derby and I like rough truck. like fun Last year in June was my first time driving. Yeah, he got the run. It looks fun, but it and it hurts my kidneys to watch it.
00:18:32
Speaker
Oh, it's fun. Especially when you turn the corner going up the hill. Yeah, but like I, it's, it's a funny thing with me. I don't have the same issues as everybody else my age because I work at a desk. So I don't have back problems. I don't have knee problems and stuff like that. But I can see as I watch tough truck, I can see my spine compress. Oh yeah. I actually,
00:19:00
Speaker
Loosened up like I tensed up at first, but then I was like I got this This is the fucking easiest thing I've ever done. You kind of got a rag dolly Your body for something like that and the adrenaline rush is amazing. Oh, yeah I wouldn't I'd like to another bucket list thing for me um Is the trophy chuck racing where they they're they're on a speedway, but they got jumps right? Oh my god That looks like so much fun Yeah. Were they done that? Yeah. I've seen a couple of them, but and try the only way you can find that now is ah it's on that flow racing channel and it's like a hundred bucks a month. It's like 80 bucks a month to subscribe to that. I watch it on YouTube. I watch it on YouTube. I don't like, like.
00:19:45
Speaker
um I don't mind watching motorsports, but I don't want to, unless I'm there, just like if if I'm watching regular sports like football or something like that. If I'm there, 100% in the entire time. um Oh, I'll throw that up there. I'm running. What is that, a Colorado? Yes, it is. It's my it's her cousins my cousin's Colorado to be his wife's cousin, so. Good use of a Colorado because those those first-gen Colorado's are kind of junk.
00:20:16
Speaker
jesus um Well, you'll be amazed when you see this that thing come out this next summer when I show you a video of it but but but Like to watch it on to watch motorsports on TV, I there's there's got to be something else on to watch um Yeah, here's the here's that Colorado. We were just talking about yep. That was his first time. he It was a it was muddy and took me on low profile pop tires on yeah nice
00:20:47
Speaker
That's some shit I would do. Those are actually the factory steel rims off of a two-wheel drive that was put on that. Really? That's why they looked at what, yeah. What is the thing? But they looked like low crows. Sortie's 40 side profile on that tire? Jesus. That's hilarious. But yeah, that was his first time. We kind of had a surprise for him. He kind of figured there was something going on when I asked him for his helmet.
00:21:16
Speaker
right. I told him I was going to clean it up and everything just so it's clean and then we went and he got the run that night. So yeah, it was ah it was kind of a sloppy night and it threw him up on the hill. So, but he still finished once he got off. Oh, I drifted that corner as hard as I could too. Like the wheel wanted to go, but it wouldn't. Well, it doesn't, it's got, it's as ah more of a, the, if you, unless you did something to the transfer case, it's kind of a one wheels squealer.
00:21:47
Speaker
It doesn't have posse. No, it didn't help when it we welded the rear end. So it just pushed this one. very you did That'll do it. That'll do it. That don't work well too well in the mud. No. not turn what is I've seen, there's a new kind of racing and they do it a lot of bunch of older oval tracks for like street fairs and stuff like that. But it's like, it's run what you brung two laps. Okay. Yeah.
00:22:15
Speaker
And I've been watching these, and some of them are hilarious because you guys, some guy will show up in a fucking 2002 Town & Country up against a... Yeah, but it's not even autocross. It's literally just a circle track. Oh, they're going to circle take one? Okay. It's a asphalt circle track.
00:22:36
Speaker
Slightly banked not not highly banked but just banked enough and they do two laps and whoever crosses the line first wins and There he is and it's I don't know what they call it Benji,
Formula One Insights and Changes
00:22:53
Speaker
what's up, dude? Hey guys, how are you? Yeah but a walk i busy moving and on yeah ah What is new in the Formula of One world? All kinds of drivers have moved. Really? Tons of drivers swapping teams, getting rid of some people, bringing in some young guys in. Lewis Hamilton is now repping Ferrari, no longer a Mercedes. Really? He's off my list. He's he's made the list of assholes. That's the last time I actually, me and him, my boy will sat and watched it was when he was still racing for the
00:23:32
Speaker
That's crazy. I guess money talks and bullshit walks, right? and the game very much but the program Well, I know it's contracts 50 million. Holy cow. Must be brought with us. Yes. I can only imagine, but you know, how's he lives? I don't know, man. If you've ever listened to those guys talk and how much they travel, they travel 300 plus days a year.
00:23:57
Speaker
so sixty five What do you do with that money? How are you supposed to spend it when you're continuously gone? You probably know you save it for retirement. like man you could You can retire off one season. So the season starts February 8th. Well, they just got done racing in December.
00:24:13
Speaker
I bet you Christmas is awesome at Lewis Hamilton's house. I'm just saying. He probably is. He's got a couple of kids. I'm i'm sure it's really nice. Well, i was actually i've watched him I watched him do an interview recently. He was talking about the peel offs for your helmet. yep yeah And apparently, you can't just when it comes to informing the one, you can't just rip and toss.
00:24:36
Speaker
because right behind you is the intake from the fucking corner. And then... again with him down on the side then when he that's what i thought Well, he said you can't take him off to the side because then it goes into the bench for the breaks. And then i then the the interview stopped because like it was one of those YouTube shorts or whatever. And I was like, so what are you doing?
00:24:59
Speaker
My thought was, is you literally just pull it off and throw it in your cabin, because if you you throw it outside the car, you risk it going on the brakes and the brakes sketching on fire. If you throw it above your head, it you risk it going into the motor, and then your motor blowing up. And he says, when you're driving on Formula 1, it's kind of like playing Mario Kart. You have to watch out for other guys tossing out theirs. Because it could go into your brakes, it could go into your motor. I'm like,
00:25:29
Speaker
I didn't I didn't either it was something new I learned and I was like that just now I know why it gets 50 million a year fucking So fun fact about their brakes The you're talking about fire You want those brakes as hot as they can possibly get so when they go into the pits it starts warming the tires up immediately Sometimes we'll see them like pop the tires off and the brake is almost on fire. like it's really smoking with flames I on it because they want them as hot as they can get them as quick as possible. So there's a quick question too on that. Like for the road course racing, what I've seen overseas, like the Porsche, Ferrari, everything else. I've noticed the brakes being like that when they've done pit views, is that
00:26:15
Speaker
Basically the same concept i would assume yeah right because you want as much heat because there's different compounds. You got soft medium hard It depends on my track most of those guys are running the hard tires medium hard so they because they only do I mean the minimal amount of pits, right? I think as you get because a formula one racing. I mean there're they're They're not 200 laps. I mean, they're not 50. Well, they're not like NASCAR where they do almost 300 laps and but i don't go with the nine I don't know physically if they could handle that many laps you know there there's certain amount of time because the g-forces is just brutal I was actually watching I was watching a guy there there's a YouTube channel called Linus Tech and he's he's a computer nut you know he builds these crazy computers but he was showing he was building a simulator rig and
00:27:08
Speaker
it's like the the feed The force feedback thing that used to simulate the ah feel of the tires, he said 99% of them that you use, that you would buy, are set up on easy mode. And they set it up to Formula 1 mode, and he could barely turn the wheel. Really? and He said he did he did a lap, and he had got out, and he was exhausted. Yeah. It's brutal.
00:27:35
Speaker
Yeah. it yeah the That's why you don't see big guys racing formula one that's even, well, not only that, they can't fit in the car. I mean, they're, they're, they're not very, you know, they may be tall, but they're not like stocky. Most of them aren't real stocky guys. Did you guys see that one that, uh, that SIM that Aston Martin made? I think it's sold for 65 grand. Like that thing's incredible.
00:27:59
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Yeah. My son showed me that he he's been he actually seen it on TikTok that they did. He was seeing it and showed me. I was like, yeah, I'd just rather have the money. Not. Yeah. Yeah. No, it'd be cool. However, however, you know, I love Gran Turismo, the game. Oh, yeah. and And to have one of those rigs. Oh. keep Because, yeah, let's be honest, none of us can afford to go out and buy 15, 20,
00:28:29
Speaker
perfect cars to go take on a track and destroy. So with a game, you can do that and be like, yeah, it's the computer, don't worry about it. So I can understand that, but I did see the most expensive sim out there. It's like 1.2 million. And it's as accurate as it can be. And people like Lewis Hamilton buy those things like they're going out of style. Oh, yeah. But yeah.
00:28:56
Speaker
beny I got a question another question for him on the end since I finally got you on here that we could talk to us How far are those formula cars literally sitting off the ground when they are actually running? Watching from the back. They're scraping on the ground as Well, I mean the camera, but I mean the camera. Oh, is that, that explains, okay, so when they do do the bad camera angle, and you see the sparks? That's why, it's because they're literally rubbing the ground when they're running? Okay. So, it was in the downforce on the wings. The downforce, it is, it is, it's been proven that a Formula One car at top speed can drive upside down because of the downforce. So, if you had a long enough tunnel that had curved sides, you can literally drive on top of the tunnel.
00:29:42
Speaker
That's incredible. Yeah. That's amazing. I've been waiting to get you on here since I first started and I've seen you commenting in when I, you know, I know you're not into the other stuff for like I do the drag race, but I've been waiting to finally get you on here to talk some formula racing and get some education on it, man. Once every few months I get free. He's a car guy at heart. That's the beauty of it. I am a car guy at heart.
00:30:04
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I don't hate NASCAR. I don't, I don't dislike drag races. I've been to all that. I just, I really dig European races, uh, racing and European cars. I just, I just fits my personality better. Um, every single night I go to sleep to, uh,
00:30:21
Speaker
to like a GT3 circuit racing ah for like 24 hours. I just cut those races on and I go to sleep. yeah I'm a Ferrari, Aston Martin, McLaren, Porsche. I'm a fan of all.
Car Modification Policies: Ferrari vs. Lamborghini
00:30:33
Speaker
can get behind the Porsche. I can get behind the Aston Martin. I can't get behind the Ferrari thing, dude. I can't. It's seriously. Bring in all the heads, Jeff. Come on, man. No, no. I have a problem with Ferrari, the company.
00:30:47
Speaker
If you gave me $2 billion dollars tomorrow, you I would have a thousand fucking car garage and not a single Ferrari in any of them. and Okay, well, we ah we all can't be, you know, wrong like you, but I can explain why you're wrong. but That would both be wrong. No, but correct no, and here's why, because, because while you've seen some of the vehicles I've drove, and you know, and I've talked a lot about cars, I can't leave anything stock. Ferrari will send me a cease and desist before I leave the lot. Sure. know good i mean I customize everything.
00:31:22
Speaker
But I mean, that's the thing, the beauty of, I mean, when you're into this kind of community, I mean, like you said, the the formula racing and his stuff like that, everybody's got their taste, but all at the end of the day, the cars and stuff bring everybody together. I mean, oh hundred percent the motor sports thing.
00:31:39
Speaker
And I'm, we're all into, I'm into it all, but my, my preference is, is the truck and truck, the pulling and drag racing, because I get to see it regularly, you know, in person more than I do, but I'm still formula racing. I love it. So actually, I mean, like Indy car, I love watching it. I got to see it a couple of times when it came up to middle house speedway here. I mean, it was freaking neat to actually witness that live. I get to drive a it lie back again.
00:32:06
Speaker
and I got to drive on Mid-Ohio a couple of times. Lucky. I used to date a girl that hurt her mom and dad but bought their house. Well, theyre their her their great grandparents bought bought this house before Mid-Ohio was there. And when Mid-Ohio was built, the family got tickets for drive time on the track for life.
00:32:30
Speaker
And when I was dating her, I went over her house and her mom was like, can you help us move this dresser? I was like, sure. And I pulled out of the drawer, and it's it was stacked full of drive time tickets. And I'm like, what's this? And they're like, oh, we have unlimited time on the track. And I was like, I'm stealing these. and show Take as much as you want. All you got to do is go redeem them.
00:32:53
Speaker
So i take I've taken an R1, a YZFR1 and YZFR6 and a Mustang around mid-Ohio. It's kind of scary. as a should I like it.
00:33:07
Speaker
That's for you Jeff yeah and and so just So, so you know what the the the whole deal with the cease and assists it's because there's emblems on the car that you modified yeah That's literally the only thing they can think that's the literally the one thing they they they will fuck with you. Yeah the and In the Ferrari nameplate they because whistling diesel whistling diesel He never got a season to assist and he did all that fucked up shit to his Ferrari But the guy them would there was a DJ. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. He didn't modify his Ferrari. He just moved to the cornfield and burned it down. Well, no, but he was throw, he was, he was beating the piss out of that thing. But the one, there was a DJ and he bought a Ferrari and he, he, yeah, he, he put his, he put his logo in replacement, called it a Ferrari and Ferrari's like, yeah, we're not,
00:34:02
Speaker
We don't play that game. Yeah, that's the kind of stuff Benji was just saying. that They do that. Lambo's just as bad. I mean, the the big name companies like that. I mean, it's kind of like you're disgracing the brand, basically, when you do stuff and you mess with their logos and their plates and stuff. Lamborghini doesn't really care. Not as much as you paid for it. Do what you want. yeah yeah yeah but I mean, it's it's just whatever. To each their own company, you know what I mean? it's Yeah.
00:34:32
Speaker
Well, for but you usually most of the time it's a quite a different buyer who's buying Lamborghinis to Ferraris. Oh, yeah. It is. It's a lot different, you know. what's intel Correct me if I'm wrong, and um I don't think I am, but if you own a Ferrari, you basically have to drive it multiple times a year or else it will start to break.
00:34:54
Speaker
That's any high-performance car. Absolutely. Well, this is true. Really? But Ferrari's... Apparently, Ferrari's the worst at it. I would say Ferrari and McLaren is probably the worst. um Yes, but, Nick, you don't drive it and enough, Benji? Well, and here's why. you that Those motors are so tuned to perfection, and i as much as I'm not a Ferrari guy, I will say, their motors are perfect. They're so tuned to perfection that the the just sitting will ruin them. like tube white If you let it six for sit for six to eight months without starting it, you will get nothing but white smoke for another three, four days of driving. I'm sure exhaust. I never knew right i never knew that.
00:35:40
Speaker
McLaren has a lot of suspension problems. If you allow them to sit too long, they'll start leaking. There's like some actuators on top. That's kind of like the suspension is here and there's this little ball that sits to the side. This little ball starts going bad. They start going bad anyways after X amount of time because it's a high performance setup. But if you don't,
00:35:58
Speaker
the car because it has the lifts on it or through hydraulic and it just, it just starts going lower. They need to be used. Yeah. You have to go and raise it up and raise it down. Same thing with the spoilers on the back. They need to actuate to to get the fluids to flow. Yeah. So there's a little bit of like engineering, but it also, you know, the person has to go in there and spend time with the car. Yeah.
High-Performance Car Maintenance
00:36:20
Speaker
Gotcha. So that's one of those cars that is Say if I had the money and go buy just to say I haven't driven once after that, if I would let it sit, that's the issues I'd be running into. If I tried to go, like Jeff said six or eight months later, I'd have these issues for me because that's, it was meant to be driven basically. like Well, and like, like Benji, they were just saying the Ferrari and McLaren. And, uh, uh, there's a couple of them have issues like that, but apparently Lamborghini doesn't have that problem.
00:36:52
Speaker
Uh, have you ever seen this because Lamborghini uses Audi parts? Yeah. I was going to say, isn't it? it a But like a the high dollar Audi basically is always one who got to use mostly Volkswagen parts. Yep.
00:37:08
Speaker
I saw a guy the other day... Who's Rolls Royce says Mercedes? Ferrari is Ferrari. Ferrari is the only company that's still owned by their own thing. um Old Man Ferrari won't sell that place. No. But if you've ever seen the channel, family will there's a YouTube channel called Goon Squad. And they' the Wally, I kid you not, these guys are just like the guys we went to high school with. But what they do is they buy wrecked vehicles and then they fix them.
00:37:38
Speaker
and they bought a Ferrari and they fixed it up and then they put it aside to fix on the next one. The next time they started that Ferrari, white smoke like you read about. Wow. yeah They don't ever drive. They don't drive a lot of their cars and it's quite disappointing.
00:37:52
Speaker
they but they have I feel like it's mostly just for stunts and then they're done with it. Yeah. Yeah. It's quite disappointing. Well, they sell a lot later. Because I believe it was one of my favorite builds they did. That was a beautiful car. Oh, yeah. Have you seen that? There's a girl, and I'll send you the link, Ben. I'll DM it to your... Hopefully text message. Yeah. I'll send it to your... I'll comment on one of your videos on YouTube.
00:38:21
Speaker
Um, but there's this girl, she, she bought a Ferrari and, um, she had one of those wide body kits put on and Liberty walk, whatever it is. But Ferrari didn't necessarily have a problem with her car, but the dealership was like, you got to change that color. Cause she had a, I think it was like a Honda blue blue blue. Yeah. It wasn't, it wasn't one of the spec. It wasn't a spec color whatsoever. Beautiful color. right But the Ferrari dealership, they they still worked on the car, but they're like, we want to use this in our photo shoot, but we can't because it's that fucking blue. Because it's not a factory Ferrari color, basically what they said. Yeah. They actually produced of it. Gotcha. And she she just got offered three times what she paid for the car. And she kept it. She didn't sell it. Amelia Hartford, I think is her name? Yeah, so that's her. Yeah. Well, you know, she's in the movie Gran Turismo.
00:39:19
Speaker
Is she She was one of the characters at the school. Oh, well, there you go. Excellent movie. yeah Fantastic movie. I was going to say, but since you brought that up, what was your opinion on that movie? I really enjoyed it for what it was.
00:39:36
Speaker
for coming to the video game world to reality world. What'd you think of it, Benji? I mean, your personal opinion on it, especially since you're in the video game world and stuff. You know, feeling into that. Dude, I was playing Gran Turismo since Gran Turismo won. So I like Gran Turismo. I think it's... as a track racing game, I think it was especially early PlayStation 2 going into PlayStation 3, I think it was one of the hands down though, you couldn't get any better as a track racing game. Street racing game, I was a Tokyo Extreme Racer guy. But man, I thought it was, I didn't even know the story, right? So I kind of went in like, eh, what is this movie gonna be about? When I laugh, I was like, holy crap, this is a good movie.
00:40:20
Speaker
but We really enjoyed it. I mean, it I enjoyed it until I did the research and found out that it's 90% fake. So with the story of the actual guy, yeah true story, but he didn't go top tier like he does in the movie. he goes No, he does not. No, but I mean, it's just still the the aspect of the movie. Like Lindsey said, it was just, it was badass. I mean, it was literally, it was awesome. grasss you From the start,
00:40:48
Speaker
and And if you're a car guy, you're instantly hooked as soon as you're in the movie. you know And being Gran Turismo, the game, any car guy out there that hasn't played it has it is not a real car guy. Unless you're like my dad, who's like 90.
00:41:06
Speaker
I don't even know if there were such things as sim racers back then. Yeah. am sorry sixty four like yeah It's kind of weird. It's kind of goofy, right? So, I mean, 90% of the movie has to be fake because none of that stuff was even the the technology wasn't there. Right. It's kind of goofy. But i I
Gran Turismo Movie Review
00:41:25
Speaker
understand. I mean, really fun movie to watch. You know, pulls out the heartstrings a little bit, right? Especially when the acting just happens. You could, you know, that couldn't mess anybody up.
00:41:36
Speaker
Ever you know that ever yeah, so it was tough, but I mean now he's still racist now He's not you know some high-end person, but I mean he's still he's still on the circuit and does a little bit well you know it's off to the guy hats off to the guy because he literally started in his Fucking computer desk, and now he's getting paid to drive. I mean let's be honest. That's the dream it would be fun I'd be awesome especially that I mean it's just like a lot of the guys that on the grassroot racing, their dream is to make it big for like NASCAR's a formula, you know, anything like that. Sometimes you get it. Sometimes you, you're still, you're going to be grassroot no matter what, or you just quit because you get cost. I feel a lot. Well, I've seen a lot of the guys that I've grown up around, especially in the dirt track racing community.
00:42:29
Speaker
There's maybe 20 of them left that are actually big time and into the Lucas oil late model times now. I mean, but they just kept plugging away. They, but they started out at the bottom and that's just like with any type of racing, you, you might, that like you time that would be sick. So rally racing, rally racing looks so much fun, but it looks so scary.
00:42:55
Speaker
But, you I mean, pure adrenaline. You could totally do that where you live, right? I mean, there has to be, like, the desert crossing... Cancun? Not necessarily. You got to remember, it is literally opposite side of the country, diagonally. I am on the... yeah if if Mexico is a backwards J, I'm at the tip of the J, and it starts at the top.
00:43:19
Speaker
Road trip. Road trip. but Not necessari necessarily the country you want to road trip anywhere in. it because Because there's like, ah one of my, and and I get made fun of this all the time. I think that the ah OBS Silverados are some of the sexiest trucks ever built. You cannot drive them cross country here. You will not make it.
00:43:45
Speaker
Not because of the truck because your truck will be stolen by force and know it's not only that Down there their biggest problem is the old muscle cars everything where you actually like being up here That is a big thing down there. I mean the classic cars are huge down there But yeah final yeah, but back from the Benji in the Formula one racing who's some of your favorite racers that you've actually idolize and everything else that you really follow heavy current and past racers that you're big into, man.
NASCAR's Evolution and Challenges
00:44:23
Speaker
oh I mean, I guess growing up, yeah, I live in North Carolina, so everything's NASCAR, NASCAR, NASCAR. Right. not get which and and I I don't mind NASCAR. I won't watch 99% of it.
00:44:36
Speaker
I'm just not into another left turn. We'll watch it when it's on like circuit tracks, when they go to Vegas. or ah yeah that's That's pretty fun, but I wish they would make the tracks a little wider. So right because these cars, you know, they list so far to the left or right. it's not It's not Formula One cars where they're just playing it to the ground. So I wish the tracks were wider so I could get more passing angles. But I guess kind of growing up, um I like Jeff Gordon.
00:45:02
Speaker
Yeah, he's a good one. Yeah, I thought he was a pretty decent driver. You know, you didn't hear much drama about him. He just got in there and just went. Well, that's the thing is, too, growing up for me, I mean, basically, that was supposed to be Dale Senior's ah replacement in NASCAR was supposed to be Gordon because, I mean, he but pretty much passed in the tour chapter. Gordon won the... I mean, I remember watching it. NASCAR used to be fun like most of everything else here.
00:45:29
Speaker
until money really got involved. And it's all about, as I put it, glitz and glamor. Now you get more of a show off show than you do the actual product most of the time, especially on TV, because it's TV time, but live, I mean, a lot of these live races.
00:45:48
Speaker
It's nice to see but a lot of people don't see behind the scenes Oh, I watched that on tv and they had this circus show basically shown on I was like you gotta be at the event It's not like the circus show you're seeing on tv kind of thing That's but yeah nascar's kind of got away From the grassroots of what it is. So i've kind of we've been the boys kind of steered away from nascar because it's just it's not what it used to be especially when he was younger and why I grew up in I mean, you and Jeff grew up. I mean, it's not what it was. we that and like the fan The fanship isn't there and I think a lot of the.
00:46:25
Speaker
the fans that that kind of remember those good times and would look now that they're just it's not the same product and and i think I think it's aged out. I think what they need to do is I think they need they need to bring in more road courses because the younger generation is about these these road courses and these younger generations are not going and buying you know Chevy Malibu's. They're not they're going and trying to buy yeah an audience you know an audience they're buy I think they need to bring in some more foreign manufacturers in because i like Ford and Chevy racing and their stuff. so sorry But I mean, who do we have? Do we have, we have Toyota, right? Is it just Toyota?
00:47:09
Speaker
Yeah. yeah very much But I mean that Toyota is so Americanized now. It's just like ah it might as well be another real Chevy. grace Right. Bring some real. Bring like Aston Martin. I'd love to see Aston Martin come over. Mercedes would be another one. I mean, they got cars that they can resemble two A's NASCAR in a way. Correct. You could do the AMG GT black series, I believe. na Yeah. You could do like the Vanquish. Nice. Yeah. see what the brilliant for yeah well you
00:47:41
Speaker
even ah Even if you've got just a bunch of C63 Mercedes. <unk> advanced war wars in nacar is that what The is a four-door. So C63, it's a V8 stock, so and it's a four-door, so you can run those.
00:48:03
Speaker
As to Martin, I can't off the top. I didn't think they had a lot of corridors. I don't think they do, so they wouldn't work. See, I don't know enough about this. But Porsche has their Panorama, so you can throw that in there. Close, close. Panamera. But, yeah. The Panamera. I see like four or five of those running around up here where we live. Me and the boy live. I want one. I don't care that they're ugly. I want one. I think they're cool. Yeah, I drove a GTS. It was really nice. Heavy, though. It's heavy. You can feel how heavy it is.
00:48:32
Speaker
Well, I just saw a documentary today about Mercedes signing the $10 billion dollars contract trying to get a fire resistant car for NASCAR. Really? So what they're doing is they're going to sign with NASCAR to get their Mercedes out on the line to make more money. Basically doing the test runs and stuff. That would be great for the sport.
00:48:58
Speaker
yeah because it's bringing end of like you said bengie bring in the people to european are wearing car scene and pull more people in in a newer audience like you were explaining earlier. Yeah, because if you're new people that you want to watch the sport or going on YouTube, they're not pulling up Chevy Malibu's and Illuminas and whatever the older stuff is, they're going and watching the new stuff. So you have to figure out a way to bring the new market or the new consumer in, right? So you're going to have to bring in these foreign cars to
00:49:30
Speaker
you know, to build the hype up. They do it all the time in the European countries. That's why Chevy and Ford's over there racing in the GT series. And you got it. You've got to start adding more road courses because you have to nothing is more boring than four left fucking turns. those When they brought in for NASCAR is I think you can ask my son. We actually have time if we remember if we're not doing something with the sister sports wise, we try to watch the road course version of the NASCAR.
00:50:01
Speaker
I always used to get excited watching Talladega and stuff, but when they introduced the road course, it made it where the drivers. I remember when Juan Montoya was always the favorite whenever it came to a road course race. ah yeah yeah But the thing is, Benji said though,
00:50:19
Speaker
Jeff Gordon figured out the road course, the couple of road course races, and he was dominating and and it's like, just do all he's ever done, dirt tracks and asphalt, and then he's picked up on this stuff.
00:50:34
Speaker
No, that's why. No, but I mean, that's the that's the beauty of of something like, you know, and controversial, but Jeff Gordon is kind of like, at least back in the nineties, he was the Lewis Hamilton of NASCAR. You know, yeah everybody knew his name, especially after Dale died. Um, it's, it's one of those things, the road court, the, the problem with NASCAR, the greatest thing to come out of NASCAR was Le Mans last year, the 24 hour Le Mans, when they put that NASCAR car in Le Mans, another day, another bucket list. I want to go to the 24 hour Le Mans.
00:51:13
Speaker
um um nice cars version though, Jeff, they're trying, they think by bringing that in, I hate to say it, they think bringing the, doing the Le Mans like that over here. they'll serve people back over and asar But it's it's not going to happen. Benji brought the prime example. You've got to have, well once again, you've got to bring in the European style cars.
00:51:35
Speaker
yeah because people are not going to get drawn in. My sons is part of that generation and up that are more into that than the muscle cars. They like the muscle cars, but they also like seeing these before. So here's the other problem with NASCAR, right? Well, so you all look, they all look the same. It's just yeah the only difference is the stickers on the car, right? Yep. And so that's the tough part when you you can distinctly look at the difference between Mercedes, BMW, yeah Ferrari, Lamborghini. They're all distinct. They all, they're like, you have your car and you go race it. You just have to meet these certain specs. Right. This is NASCAR. Don't they have like a universal body style that they use that they just put the stickers on? I think that ruins it. This guide that they can slide over the car, right? because yeah Which is, which ruins the whole, their motor specs for NASCAR is a 358 cubic inch.
00:52:32
Speaker
motor Yes, Ford has it. But the funny thing is, it's just Ford stickers. They're all GM frickin motors that are because because that's the specs because Ford and when Dodge was even in it, they could not come up with something to meet the specs of that 358 cubic inch limit. So they pretty much everybody can that's why everybody can interchange motor parts. Well,
00:52:57
Speaker
but The motor, the motor, I don't, that doesn't bother me. um The body shape of the car, it literally just looks like a weird bubble, which gets annoying. and And until the camera focus is long enough to see what the car is or who, the number, then you're, okay, so that's Bob winning. Okay, whatever. Yeah. um But it needs to go back to the ways it was when Teddy raced the damn Superberg, you know? you Yes. Back then, they had the mixture of cars.
00:53:27
Speaker
nowadays you try to put that well they weren't fiberglass either right but people would would be bitching well he's got that giant wing to help it was but nascar back then was built you had your factory racers with their supercars in a way racing back then that's how much yeah well on the way i think they look Let's fix this real quick. Go ahead. So let's fix this real quick. So so so people don't go and be like, well, F1, they all look the same. True. But if you go and start looking at the different yeah Ferrari body styles, body styles, they're they're different, especially along the sides versus how they how they pull out the aerodynamics and all this stuff.
00:54:08
Speaker
they're all tweaked differently. So there's not just one uniform body that everyone gets, you go tinker with your motor. But NASCAR, NASCAR is the only one that I can think of. It's just like, everybody gets the same. Yeah, here's a shell, build a frame on it. And the frames are pretty much the same. It's just not fun. Here's your $20 million to put a Ford logo or put the bow tie sticker on in front of you. But yet, we're not racing technically, we're still just racing GM, but You've got the four stickers on your car. You've got the Dodge. but I'll tell you what else would be fun. Let's do it like they do like in the 24 hours or the 12 hours or the eight hour races. Let's throw the infinity series and NASCAR at the same time in the same track. Oh, yeah. Bobbing and weaving. Everyone is really interesting. yes It would be super fun because that's what they do in Europe, right? That's when the drivers are freaking good. You start learning how to drift off once or you can know how to pass one. It's just there's so much more technical.
00:55:08
Speaker
Well, it's so technical when it comes to that having when what do you have 40 cars in NASCAR? you Yes, just it's 43 of the same where we're on the 24-hour months what last year there's like 300 cars Yeah in like six different classes yeah so most of them have in the seventy s Most races are in the 70s but yeah, I mean it's just it would be awesome because then I doing that mixture, you'd actually find out really who the better driver really was. Yeah. That's what I'm going to boil down to instead of, oh, I'm going to draft you and then I'm going to pass you on the last lap to get the win. You actually with that mixture, you're going to find out how well you can actually drive. Nobody's from a standstill, everything. I just found a solution.
00:56:01
Speaker
We're gonna start a car racing series just like in the Pixar cars to Rally car formula one car in NASCAR all those cars you put them all together Yep, and whoever wins the most of the end wins and go fuck Because there's nothing funnier than a formula one car on a rally track im except The cars hit basically or Benji was saying you threw all the high-performance That's the mixture that people want to see and they did it in a cartoon, but they can't do it in the real world That's the sad part, you know what this It's a really it's a weird mixture because yeah rally cars they're quick on dirt But the ah you put them on Up against employment one car in the formula car and cars gonna smoke them, but you put a formula car on dirt and it won't move oh
00:56:56
Speaker
But I mean, you'd have to have something like that,
Mixed Racing Styles and Future Speculations
00:56:59
Speaker
Jeff. You'd have to do that every little bit of the aspect thrown, every aspect of the racing, you have a little bit of dirt here, a little bit of asphalt, you know, just kind of mix it up kind of deal. And he remember yeah but but you You go rent a bunch of fucking fiats and you grab all the best drivers in the world and you put them each in this exact same car.
00:57:22
Speaker
There you go. Different tracks. Because Lewis Hamilton, one of the greatest drivers ever. Jeff Gordon, greatest one of the greatest drivers ever. But you put him in the exact same car, it's a whole new ballgame. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's the but but once again, that's like you'd go back to, yeah, just go to a dealership, buy 12 Fiat. Here, get the 12 best drivers worldwide.
00:57:49
Speaker
and go run on track what go here We'll put you on a road course. We'll give you, we'll say a hundred. It's got dirt sections. It's got hills. It's got curves. It's got a little bit of everything. you All on track. Let's see what you can do with a, basically a factory, factory Fiat. Let's see who finishes it. They used to do that, Grace. It used to be our PB. It's called the Trans Am. Yeah, I don't know why they stopped doing that. There's actually a guy that does it.
00:58:18
Speaker
ah I'm actually trying to look him up right now. but Well, he said I used to do a bunch of it, but oh, yeah yeah but like yes I haven't heard anything from a couple years The guy I'm talking about he's a British guy he Yeah, he actually he bought a bunch of land and he built a track and he buys here many two birds He doesn't he's got a mixture down there. He called it as the Danger Ranger race that he has his own track down in Florida. He actually they he has a mixture kind of shit He'll do a side thing of the asphalt and the dirt mixed in with it with two-wheel-drive Rangers that he brings in random mega-star Race this and he does like 500 laps with them. It's like kids version, but you get two drivers It's kind of neat. It's like a Le Mans deal, but he does it all in Rangers or a can Yeah, Mark McCann is his name
00:59:11
Speaker
he's got a youtube tail talking about he used to be a professional racer though he's got a hell of a car collection he's got a lot of cars but he built a he built a uh kind of a track in his backyard i don't think he uses it anymore though oh no he just redid it yeah well then he said he's going to go start back to using it again yeah yeah like well he he got that off-road lamborghini and he jumped it it was awesome Oh, that is an excellent channel. His channel is really good. Yeah. stuff But yeah, they need to open the, when it comes to like the NASCAR aspect, road course racing over here, here in the States, they need to open the door a little more and add more to the road course game. There's a lot of road course, good tracks out here. You can get, get stuff like that and bring in the people like you were saying, Benji, but I just don't,
01:00:06
Speaker
I think the heads of math part are scared to try something new. They think yeah they don't want to well They don't want to spend the original fans. Well, the girl boys can they're bitching about losing? nothing yeah the good old boys club man That doesn't do anything but there's only so much old money, right? Yeah, and then old money changes to new hands That doesn't mean the old money with new hands stays True to its roots. So you have to figure it out. i mean like There's a lot of race tracks that struggle. And they they really need the help. And it's like, VR is ready. I can get VR in like 89 minutes from the house. And it's a great race track. And it would be cool to see more road courses.
01:00:52
Speaker
right i well I don't know. i just well there Just another left turn. Maybe technology was, I think technology has surpassed another left turn. A lot of them are grandfather games. A hundred percent, man. I agree with that too, bud.
01:01:07
Speaker
but i didn thing Yeah, it's and it it needs time to change. Like Motorcross, with Monster coming in now, they're doing a two-part series. They do the indoor series basically starting this month.
01:01:22
Speaker
through March. Then they hit outdoor series. The tracks for the outdoors ain't nothing like when they do the custom builds for those indoor stadium races, but they've got different sponsors. They've got Husker Varnas bringing in their dirt bikes that got into the game. ah You got KTM that's still big, but they said by 2027 KTM pulling out of their motorsports deal.
01:01:47
Speaker
Yeah, because well KTM is actually moving more towards road racing Mm-hmm because they some of their jim the ka yai road bikes. Yes They're gonna go to the the superbikes. They're gonna go to the MotoGP stuff So yeah they're kind of getting away from the off-road aspect because it's not as popular like the road course stuff this but once again, it goes back to I'm an old head, but I would like to see something new myself to get my point my interest to get back into the road course racing more a boy thing that The funny thing when it comes to motocross to me anyways It if you trade it to music, it's it's real punk rock, you know, everybody yeah you you but it's becoming this weird pop
01:02:38
Speaker
Boring in that everybody does fucking motocross. Let's do something different, you know, you know, just like NASCAR They got to change it up a little bit. Oh But they won't, that's the thing. here's yeah here he goes it's the The problem they have is they have this business model of if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Well, unfortunately it's broke. they just You have to stay ahead of the game if you're going to succeed in that arena. I personally think, Jeff, that's the reason Formula One's starting to become popular again because they are, like Benji said, hitting the newer generation with different things for them to bring them in.
01:03:17
Speaker
Here's the TV time for me personally To try to watch it anymore. It goes back to that flow racing That's the only place you can find the shit unless you find replays on YouTube and then it's not even the whole race I was literally going yeah sex yeah thing lamon's last year i wanted to watch the Mons last year and because they had that NASCAR in there and they did they had in dash cam live on YouTube Yeah, but then it would it And then it would cut off for 20 minutes and then come back in and another. And I was like, what a pain in the ass. Yeah. and stuff So but the boy, what was you going to say? Here's my mentality. My generation is trying to broaden your old guys' minds. We're trying to make things more wide, more open, especially with these cars, like Mazda's and Honda's are becoming more popular than they used to be.
01:04:13
Speaker
they're more drag racing, you know, people are getting out more, doing more things, especially my generation, like kids I've graduated with are all have mastas, Mustangs, GTOs, you know, Corvettes, Transams, they're all drag racing and having fun. Me personally, I mean, I'm an old school kid, I was raised the old school way. My mind is a one track mind like my dad's. Even though we've got heads over things, especially when it comes to cars,
01:04:43
Speaker
he's taught me how to broaden my mind with things especially if it's a from a different viewpoint from different people which makes sense that's what we're all giving that's what we're talking about man your younger generation when we're the three of us are done and gone you your kids your grandkids are going to be what's going to carry on the tradition and if we stick with the old and not broaden it now, there ain't going to be no motorsports for us other than. Well, I'll say this, there won't be any American motorsports. They're going to pee in. Yeah. youll You'll have to travel across seas.
01:05:25
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so f one although i would love to see a bunch of honda civics do nascar and be hilar ah would be so forever one so you can't look at i don't i don't look at f one as a european race or right and one smart a world he's a world wide it raises the world Yeah, so I think it's like the ultimate racing and but but it's like but also in Europe there's so many different countries all within a region and they've got their different manufacturers and all this they're they're way more diverse than us to where it's like
01:06:03
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We got Chevy Ford, you know, our big three, man. Right. You have the big one. And then literally a hundred miles down, you've got their big one, the a hundred miles down. They've got another big one. And these guys are all competing with each other over here. We get competing, but it's, it's a different type of competition over here. yeah It's not the same weird. It's it's ah it's who's got the bigger Dick.
01:06:26
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yeah yeah' that's basically what it is yeah i mean You look back at you look like the horse the horsepower wars from the 70s it's oh Ford came out with 426 and then you know Dodge was like well here's your 426 there's a 427, you know, and yeah, like and When Dodge came out with the Hellcat and stuff the the and nothing dead crickets
01:06:57
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if we was you're right because only thing but the thing is with like i'm because i'm a ford guy but thing is a lot of the ford people would we'll use example Buckeye fans that run their mouths a lot. Oh, we got the Ford GT. It doesn't matter. Not everybody and their brother can go out and buy a Ford GT like right you could technically can a Hellcat. You know what I mean? Yeah. you gotcha it's The one great thing at Hellcat is it's quote unquote obtainable. Yeah. Use Ford GT 2009. How much? Can't be much, right?
01:07:34
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200 grand? A four GT? Yeah. A legit four GT. Oh, you're talking. Oh, yeah, yeah. Those are expensive. Use. You're looking at 200 grand. Yeah, you know those are expensive. Now, yeah but but, like, a used Hellcat, I can get for 60 grand all day long. Maybe even cheaper. Or, yeah, like you know, you go to Copar, you can get one for $50. Yeah. You can go to Copar and get one for $50. You got to fix it, but whatever. But where...
01:08:05
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Yeah, there you can get the... What's that? That... What's the Camaro that... It was a ZL1. Yep. No, no, no, no. The one that... It was called the Exorcist. It's 1000 horsepower.
01:08:20
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Yeah, that but the bad part about that one was, it was basically the baby, the newer version of the CPO drag pack, except it was almost... And it cost us 100 grand. No, it was 100 grand. Welcome to the exotic car world. Exactly. If I'm spending 100 grand on a on a car to go fast, I'm gonna buy a Benz, or I'm gonna go buy, you know, I'm gonna put a down payment on a Lamborghini because Yeah, something like that. I mean Something they can actually turn. Yeah, I was getting ready to say because you know They can do everything and not just a right straight line. So here's so here's another thing like with the racing versus them To us right I call America fair weather racing and like in racing When you're racing try to shut the fuck down correct in Europe if it it doesn't matter what the fuck it's doing They're racing right. That's it
01:09:14
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that's that's a big problem right did this and they ain't scared to build a five or six or eight mile racetrack either no like well can you pack all this in and like half a mile it's like yeah yeah favorite man and let's be honest the u.s has way more space to do it but who not you but but no it comes down to you're not if you if you went out and you built US's version of the Nuremberg ring takes the fastest you can do it is seven minutes You're never gonna find enough races every year to fill it up To actually pay for itself Well, you would have to start bringing in European racers over here. You would have to but yeah what But you know you have what has to change to is TV content, right? That's where back to that you stop breaking from fucking commercials all the time
01:10:12
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Also, don't want to hear like NASCAR, you know, again, I don't hate on NASCAR, but man when I hear a NASCAR someone says they're gonna talk about this driver They've got a list or 37 sponsors before they ever get to the what they're talking about. Oh my gosh, man I do not want to watch a seven hour promo show a picture of his car. We can see what what his sponsors are. Yeah, I get that Yes, I just but yeah just tell me about the driver. What's he doing? Right? Yeah, you know it we don't It's back to that there's it's old money what wanted to do new but still want to stay in old old school and it doesn't it's not working no more i'm sorry this is it it's a new era and i'm ready to see some changes i'd like to i'm with benji i'd love to see more road courses especially in mass car i mean they're bringing in back in the early 2000s i mean one montoya come on an indie driver
01:11:08
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that And then they're like, oh, he's gonna dominate road course. Like I said, Jeff Gordon proved you give him enough time The guys will adapt to these road courses, but people enjoyed it because oh, yeah yeah Well the viewership the viewership on a road course is like three times what it is on a regular Every single time a road course is on I'm like, oh of course I'll leave it on the sweet Right lose the remote because I'm good they only because The only road course race that NASCAR had that the race that they didn't beat is of course, is the granddaddy of them all as Daytona. But you look at the viewership of every other race, like it's Talladega everything, but you put one of the NASCAR like, uh, in the Sears point was one of the road courses. Right. Benji, I think, yep dude, it had 10 times, 10 times the amount of viewership then Talladega, which was the second best
01:12:06
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NASCAR race back in the eighties and nineties it just the popularity of it killed it and then all of a sudden we're going to kind of trickle away from the road courses again so let me bring them back here let me ask you a question because you may know this way more than i would isn't most of these really good nascar tracks set up for a road course part of it is right yes so but yes there They're actually set up for a road course. There's actually a view of dentone. Yeah, it actually has a road course. They do hold road course races. Charlotte Motor Speedway is as well, I believe. Yeah, yeah Charlotte as well. They revamped that when they put the four Y then. They redid their their the Z-Max. Yep, this ye the Z-Max. They revamped the track too. It's got a road course.
01:12:54
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ah Vegas like you were talking they they've done that that was a revamp when they redid the drag strip when they and went for wide they revamped The tracks there's tracks out there for NASCAR that are set up for it, but they don't want to use it That's the problem, but they just use them for those late model cars and I just just don't get it for the asphalt racing. Yes yeah yeah the stuff There and the late money theyre I don't know. They're probably on a channel somewhere and the and you into the it's mainly for like him there hasn't no but yeah TV station, but it's like do something different. Just <unk> you know what? Don't tell us nothing. Just surprise us with the right turn somewhere and watch all the people. How are you guys? Hello. Hi, who is your guys's day today? Same good. Good. Me too.
01:13:51
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What are you guys talking about I want to I really really like to talk to people please You are talking about what cars Cars cars cars cars like less racing cars which ones like Any all race cars Any car can be a race car if you put a roll cage in it. I'm just saying. It's true. Pretty much. Yeah. and how What do you do on this channel? you want Same thing. Every day is a different episode.
01:14:32
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time So, um, what do you do on this channel? Like what I am super new here. I'm sorry. No, you've been here before now. Yes. I,
01:14:47
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um i wanted to ask you oh yes jeff yes i know yes you know me of course yes uh walley walley yeah but wouldn't it be would you think nascar would be faster or better if they included drifting no i'd not that'd be fun i feel like it would be a little bit harder it would make it interesting but at the same time it's i mean it's still not what are your thoughts on d1 hey i love d1 racing i think it's a great i don't like it i don't see the racing board in it i'm not a big fan of it i agree the the rate the rules of d1 are super complicated
01:15:36
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The cars look cool, but it's just the point aspect of it. It's just it's nots not what I'm into. It's one of those things of like, it's an acquired taste, much like NASCAR. You know, you've got to be, you know, but there is nothing sexier than seeing whatever vehicle vehicle it is. 120 miles an hour sideways.
01:15:58
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yeah yeah It's just not, I mean, That's not one of those things that i'm really into i've watched a couple clips on youtube tried to one time drifting is just not That's not racing to me, man. I'd rather watch I'd rather watch 24 hours of straight left turns and ask Well, yeah well, you gotta you gotta remember though Drifting started in the mountains of japan where it was literally you would start at the bottom or the top And it was more of a timed vent right yeah so if you go down a curvy road where you have to slow down for the curves your time is going to be longer but if you drift that curve you can increase your time by three four seconds each quarter but yeah i mean trying to implement that with something like that now i could see like the formula setup like bengie was talking bringing in shit like that but not the drifting not like something or it would be another thing yes but i don't know it would be complicated
01:16:58
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It would be complicated. Okay. It would be a pileup is what it would be. Yeah, exactly. Which let's be honest. Well, let's be honest. If you watch Daytona at around 400 laps, that's what it becomes. It becomes a pileup because that's when people start getting tired. So how do you fix that? That's what I want to fix. I actually less laugh right um want less I want less crashes for racing.
01:17:19
Speaker
So what you do is is you start interjecting slower and faster cars, right? Bring like infinity series or the truck series in there to where you you know have to be strategic because otherwise you're going to screw everybody up, right? yeah that's what That's what I think needs to happen because listen, if what what is it below? Is it Infinity Series is below NASCAR? Yes. They get half ass TV time. There's not that many eyes on it. You maybe get a weekend pass and that's the only reason you're watching the Infinity Series or the Truck Series. You put those guys on the same track together.
01:17:55
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there we go said de question not he's had a role yeah too what and these drivers are going to get they're going to get a bigger name for themselves quicker right and not just the people in the in the head work in the industry who's going to know them right but not only that as a business standpoint The sponsors are going to be coming out of the woodwork, not just for the NASCAR cars, but like the NASCAR truck series and the Infinity series. Those guys are going to get better sponsors. Like Benji said, the drivers get more TV time, more exposure, instead of doing the... Their sponsors are going to be happier. That Sunday race, that's the only time you see them.
01:18:41
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01:18:58
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01:19:09
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looks Distance, distance to the target. what It was, it was like from, the not like, it was from like the medium size, like. hi So what is another now fifty yard about yards. yards. About 50 yards. Well, indoor range, 50 yards, that's that's all. Oh, what did she say indoor range? It's got to be an indoor range, I'm assuming. Oh, indoor range? yards Yeah, it's more like 22, yeah.
01:19:38
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yeah which Is it is it is it very good for the first time am I am I doing correct or is that okay?
Shooting Experience and Race Dynamics
01:19:50
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yeah i mean i do my eyes closed go okay yeah jeff said for military trained yeah a sniper taught Me how to shoot a gun Yes. What were you shooting? What were you shooting? I was shooting a like a ah like like from my shoulder to like, yeah. No, no, no, no. What kind of gun? Okay. Like a wife or something like ah a big like gun. Yes. Yes. What caliber? What caliber?
01:20:29
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twenty two thirty twenty odd six So it's gonna be all pistol so it's gonna be a 45 22 9 millimeter 3 380 pistol calibers That's still good though No
01:20:50
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it's decent grouping very verse time yeah impressive snowing yeah don so yeah if you would do Like you said, Benji, with NASCAR, I mean, could you imagine though the audience they would bring in younger? It would be huge. Because so you would actually have three different finishes too. Correct. Yeah. yeah you know i mean and even even in ah Even in a in a in a so race that's with another left turn, adding adding different classes in there changes the whole entire dynamics. 100%.
01:21:26
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That makes it interesting. the the The other aspect of it is like, you're going to get more passes, but less passing people in your class. Always. Oh, yeah. That's why I want the complications. The crazy thing about Formula One, which which unfortunately drives people away, how many times does a Formula One car pass another Formula One car? It's not... but but It's very rare. Is there an entire lace?
01:21:55
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yeah and No, I disagree with that. I disagree. How many times you can be in quite a bit? It happens quite a bit. Especially if you get like really good drivers that don't want to get like a crappy pit and next thing you know what they're at the end they're at the back of a pack. No, I'm talking about normal. normal No, I'm kidding. Because in na car NASCAR, you'll see you'll see the leadership change of who's in first, 14 times in three laps. Yes, because that's all through drafting. this is this That's a completely different style of racing. You've got 43 cars, or let's say you've got 20 something cars all in two lines.
01:22:37
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right not That's not how it works in Formula One at all. The beauty of Formula One comes down to the difficulty level makes NASCAR look like go-karts.
01:22:51
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Yeah, oh and because at the end of the day, you barely have a break.
Formula One Safety and Technology
01:22:56
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You just let off the gas and push the gas. Let up. Yeah. Right. That is not, you're working both legs and hands or you're trying to keep your neck ajar and not pass out at the, at the wheel for the G-force. Right. It's a, it really is.
01:23:11
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Because you watch you go to different directions You watch the speeds compared to NASCAR when they do the speed you instantly see them when they go into the turn that speed drops from 200 mile an hour to 110 like that, but like Benji said in a formula those guys basically look I'm letting off them for a second and then bam They're right back to where they were once they did it. I mean there's incredible I love the cockpit views until they went to flow racing with it when they used to be able to watch it on speed. I don't like that halo. That halo would drive me nuts if I was driving on Formula me One. I get it, it's for safety, but...
01:23:51
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That bar right in the middle. Oh, I think that part, I think that bar disappears at 200 miles an hour though. Yeah. I think so too. Yeah. the tunnel vision kicks in i get that but But it would take, it would take me at least good 15 laps to get used to that stupid bar in the middle. Yeah. It's it's interesting. I don't know. I've gotten used to it now looking at the cars. It doesn't, I don't.
01:24:14
Speaker
I don't you know what is it so funny because I look at the cars now and then I look at the cars without it and I was like, oh that car without it kind of looks funky. but you kind of honor Like I like the look of it now. I think it looks more like a complete cockpit. I'm not the biggest open wheel guy. I know I'm I mean, don't get wrong. I like it. But it's like a one wheel scares the shit out of me.
01:24:35
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it's one of those things like you said it's everybody's got their cup and well no but what i mean is like like if as a driver now not that on a ro collect okay yeah but as a driver driving open wheel scare the shit out of me because i've seen a while those um some red he come up over top of those wheels and Whoa, that who no yeah What is fast and as gnarly as f1 is I do not see crazy crazy crashes Like I do in all the other racing these guys are top-notch Professionals and they do everything I can to not even down for as close as they can I think that downforce has a lot to play in that too well the downforce but my thing is is what's surprising every time when I'm used to watch it all the time when it was on I
01:25:24
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is when they go over those freaking burns on the turn, it's like, are they gonna get the air underneath them and take them over? Or what? What the deal is? So. It's just not like that anymore. It's so good. I mean, the tires are so sticky. They're so freaking wide. Oh, the tire technology alone is just so way out there. Yeah, I was watching an old school versus new school.
01:25:53
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tech on an f1 car the other day and The the new car set up beat the old car set up by like seven seconds on the same track It wasn't it just wasn't a comparison the They one guy was going into the turn while the other guy was coming off of a straightaway that he had done been two turns later ah there's just so Because because they're not having to hit the brakes so much they're there, you know, they're downshift. Well, you love the air brakes to Yeah, the air brake has the air brake has has drastically improved formula one because like even when you see uh, um Older racing versus today the air brake will literally Not quite stop them dead, but it slows them down. So it's for them enough regular brakes Um Yeah, it's
01:26:50
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I'm not mad at it. No, no, I mean, it's a neat aspect of racing.
Streaming Services Challenges
01:26:55
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I remember when we used to be able to get it all the time, all the time on TV and then flow racing came in and they found out a way to make bunches of money off of people. If you want to watch this style racing now, I mean, it's they've hit up all the big drag racing. You can't even watch the chili bowl anymore without spending the money to go to flow racing for dirt track. I mean, all these big dirt track races, too.
01:27:20
Speaker
They want you to go there, but you got to spend almost $200 on the subscription and half the time i've done it at a buddy's house It freezes. It's like you can't right their their technology doesn't keep up Yeah, it's a bummer Yeah, I think there needs to be you know well back in the day. They had the dedicated channels for it like was uh um speed tv was a big one speed tv was great that's where flow killed it flow racing ended up doing it because they wanted to be jackasses and people were i don't know the thing is with speed tv we had a variety of everything speed tv was really speed tv wasn't good it was great
01:28:02
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it yeah um comparatively speaking It was It was phenomenal. I mean, every Friday and Saturday, I look to learn, especially Saturday, what racing are we going to start watching from eight o'clock in the morning until two to three o'clock, you know, in the Sunday morning, because you had the variety that kept you interested if you were a gear hit. Now it's, oh, NASCAR's on TV. Whoopee. I mean, anymore with me, it's like big deal.
01:28:30
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i kind of mis watchingt on I Kind of miss watching the dirt bike riders that would go into the forest and they're like all beside each other almost pushing each Pushing each other over theyre trying to avoid trees. I remember watching that that was really fun to watch. You don't ever see that anymore No, yeah yeah that's I mean, it's just got to the point. It's the TV the Networking has got to the point. It's back to where the money's at now. Everybody wants to They're all about money. Let's see who we can make the most money off of, but because you're screaming is not the greatest. People are spending this money and I've seen on Facebook where they were complaining because it was cutting out so much. They missed this much or the finish or
01:29:16
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I mean, it's just like you got to update it and it's hard to do when they're doing this stuff. I mean, well, in green TV, you had it all. You had the truck. Oh, mcm man, I'm so good. good for The problem, the problem with the streaming service for racing is it's a very niche group. Yep. And to do it right, the money to cost that will cost like look at Netflix when they did that Jake Paul fight.
01:29:43
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yeah And it could freeze everybody, it overloaded. So speed, the streaming services for racing, they have that problem a lot. They they freeze up because for the simple fact, they don't have the bandwidth to keep up with the demand. and But yet they don't have the money to upgrade because it's such a niche group. It would better just hold it online.
01:30:07
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My thing with flow racing is what I don't understand is what they charge, what are they spending that money on? They keep saying they want to make their product better by, you know, for your visual viewing. But every time you turn around a big money race is on like they did, uh, about 24 hours of Le Mans. They lost half of their audience because it froze.
01:30:33
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Yeah, they supposedly updated everything for that for that to happen which by the way I watched I've watched as much as I could on YouTube granted YouTube only only showed mostly like it would show weird clips and It was ah it was it was like 10 minutes behind But I watched 90% of it on YouTube better than I could have on flow Yeah, because it was there but I mean, it's just the sad part is is that's a big name company. They're actually the ones that bought speed TV out and to correct the online racing scene, to cover all these major races. That's funny. I've never even heard of Flow TV. I don't even know what the problem is. Yeah, so it's like Netflix. OK, never even heard of it. I don't do much technology, so I don't know. No. But that's why I'm out of it. I don't even know what to do. I do not. They have it on there. That's why they show a lot of the good the racing on there, especially here in the state over here with us.
01:31:31
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Like your big drag racing, big dirt track, late model stuff. It's on there now. yeah and And they just charge an arm and a leg. The average Joe's can't afford a month. You know, you know, what would be, you know, it would be something really good of a business idea is you go to the races with like five or six buddies and you each set up a different spots and all go live onto one channel. Like we do here.
01:32:02
Speaker
but Yeah. i pardon you got other information from the the thing is not if you're going but the thing is a lot of these tracks now jeff they you have to have credentials now to do this stuff because they check them even on your phone really like Oh, yeah, we got I've watched people literally for the no prep Kings Street Outlaws, right? Somebody at trails went Facebook live. They literally cut them off their stream, found where they were streaming and shut their live stream off because they didn't have.
01:32:34
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they didn't have credentials to, you know, press release. I'm sure that started in like football and stuff like that, because that's what I would do more than like. Oh, I wouldn't doubt it. and But because I mean, that that would make sense.
Conclusion and Social Media Links
01:32:49
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Benji, you ever get some free time again, man? i hope I'd love to have you up on here again. It's been a great night talking. Jeff, thanks for coming up with me. Thanks, son, for jumping in with us and talking. I think we're going to wrap this up tonight, guys. And thank you all for coming on and everybody that was in the chat.
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