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Episode 111: High Stakes Piledriver
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This week the boys are traveling back to 1995 to watch WCW's Uncensored, Slamboree and the Great American Bash!
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Episode Introduction & Theme
00:00:35
Speaker
Welcome to the, I'm just kidding. You're on episode one 11 of predetermined. I'm your host Garrett calendar. Fear me, you will. I'm the other guy on this show. My name is Derek Halpin. Welcome to predetermined.
00:00:51
Speaker
for those of you who understood that reference good on you. I don't know if I did. Was that from something we just watched? It is from something we just watched. So you're already dropping the ball between thinking that this is a fucking bonus zone for some reason and then not getting the reference on the video that I sent you earlier today. Okay. That's what I thought it was. That's what I thought it was. And I am fucking ready to talk about that. You should enter this podcast prepared for me to make per wrestling references and what's going on. How are you doing Garrett?
00:01:20
Speaker
It's been a while. I'm good. It's been a while since we've opened with talking about wrestling. So that's true. We usually deviate and talk about what's going on in our lives. But considering
Time Traveling to WCW 1995
00:01:30
Speaker
the circumstances that we are not going to be talking about this week, we're going to be going right into pro wrestling. In fact, for this week's episode, we did a little something special. We hopped in our time machine and we went back in time. We went back to game shows. We were eight years old. We were eight. We were eight.
00:01:51
Speaker
Right? Fuck, that is wild. Yeah, you're right. We went back to 1995 for this week's episode. Okay, straight off the bat.
00:02:01
Speaker
Great idea on your end to come up with this as the plan for this week's episode. We said we were gonna do something a little bit different, not focus on the now. I didn't expect you to go back 25 years to WCW for this week's episode. I will start off before we get into the actual wrestling part. Did you watch WCW at all in 1995 or at least around this time period? Absolutely, Hulk Hogan was my dude.
00:02:29
Speaker
You were watching WCW in 1995. I was. There's some of this that we watch today that I vaguely, vaguely remember. The majority of what I had seen from this time period, though, probably would have been just, you know, renting the tapes in a video store. So you were probably, but I mean, our video store got shit late.
00:02:54
Speaker
So you were probably watching this in 1996. Oh yeah, like I wasn't right on time with these pay-per-views. Do you remember back when it was actually like a relevant show, do you remember WCW Saturday Night?
00:03:11
Speaker
See, it's one of those things where when I go back and watch the footage of it, I do remember seeing it. But I don't- Like it was on, what channel was it on for us and what time? Because I know it was on kind of late, right? I mean, I was eight years old, I have no
Analyzing 'King of the Road' Match
00:03:26
Speaker
idea. Well, but I mean, I remember watching it, hey, Claw, it's the only thing on this show. It's current. From the year 2020.
00:03:36
Speaker
It's 1995, you're listening to two eight year old hosts discuss the current state of professional wrestling before the blow up of the Monday night wars and the attitude error and the NWO and DX. No, little bit before that, I do remember in 97 and 98 and 99 watching WCW Saturday night. But that was when it was basically for the leftovers.
00:04:04
Speaker
That was back. That was WCW's version of shotgun Saturday. You remember that? No. What was you don't remember? You don't remember WWF shotgun Saturday when what was it on? You're like fucking Saturday. I think it was on one of the local channels. Honestly, I think it was like it was basically so WWF at the time had Sunday night heat.
00:04:29
Speaker
which they ran for an hour. I think it was on USA network. And they, if there was a pay-per-view, they were running an hour before, but WCW had WCW Saturday night.
00:04:43
Speaker
And for a while there would actually be stars that would show up. And they had like the tech arena, you know, that looks like it's from where they designed like robots and shit. They've got the red spinning light and the bay doors that open up. Did they always, so that really, really looks like a wrestling venue I've been to. I wonder if they filmed all of that in Atlanta at center stage.
00:05:09
Speaker
That's very possible. You might need to do some research into that. Yeah, I need to look that up because that looks like the exact same venue that I would go to those Ring of Honor shows at in Atlanta. Well, let me put it to you this way. If you go back to this mid 90s WCW roster, it's actually somewhat
00:05:32
Speaker
like of a stacked roster. Like it's not bad. And from the stuff that we watch, I was highly entertained. I'm not going to tell you that all of it was good wrestling. I mean, some of it actually was.
00:05:44
Speaker
Oh, but actually it was better wrestling than I expected to find. Yeah, no, today I basically found out that 1995 WCW is my shit right now. And I know we've got a lot of people going back and binge watching the Sopranos and Game of Thrones. Uh-uh. I'm binge watching WCW pay-per-views from 95, baby. And I am, it's shorter than an average raw.
00:06:09
Speaker
to watch one of that paper. It's true. You know what you should do. Your mission should be to watch WCW basically up until the moment Hogan turns heel and joins the NWO. Oh, I'm in. I'm in. I'm just just burned through. So basically you get to see the death of what was WCW before Hall and Nash showed up.
00:06:33
Speaker
Already with the shit that I've watched, I've gotten to see some big moments. I got to see the first time the giant appeared.
00:06:43
Speaker
You know Paul White, aka the Giant, went to my college, right? I did not know that. Paul White is an SIUE alumni. He played basketball there for the Cougars. How did that not come up when we were talking about the big show? I think I brought it up before. I just don't think you remember. If I didn't bring it up, I apologize. It's been a topic of conversation amongst me and my friends for a long time. My friends and I, fuck you.
00:07:12
Speaker
Well, you know, Lori Metcalf also went to your college. She did. And she donated the money that they used to build a theater there. You know, the killer from Scream 2 and Roseanne. Correct. So, yeah, I mean, this is a period of WCW that I really don't know much about. In fact, if you follow wrestling history at all, they kind of shit on this era.
00:07:41
Speaker
Like you'll, I mean, you'll hear members of like the click shit on anything WCW anyway, but particularly right before fucking Hall and Nash get there. They make it seem like there was nothing redeemable about this period at all. Oh, contrary click. Not true at all. There is plenty. The funny thing is I'm kind of saying it tongue in cheek, but at the same time,
00:08:09
Speaker
if you if they were running WCW 1995 head-to-head with Monday Night Raw now in 2020 I would probably be watching WCW 1995 that is I mean and you may shake your fucking head but guess what you're fucking wrong go back and check out some of this stuff
00:08:30
Speaker
I was highly entertained by the stuff we watch. And the funny thing is Garrett, you went ahead, not only did you go back 25 years ago, you went back 25 years ago to this period in the year. You went back to basically March, May, and then like June or July. I think I guess it would be July, right? Of the three that I watched?
00:08:51
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. March, May and June. Garrett snuck in an extra pay-per-view that I didn't get to watch coming into this podcast. That's fine. I'm not bitter. I got two out of those three. We went back and checked out WCW uncensored. I believe it was the first uncensored pay-per-view WCW, Slamboree and WCW great American bash from 1995.
00:09:15
Speaker
Unsanctioned. Uncensored. Un... Predictable. Predictable. Unstoppable. Un-everything. Un. Unwitch. Un
WCW Uncensored 1995 Highlights
00:09:27
Speaker
-fucking-witch. This show, Derek, had some star power. Uh, yeah. We saw Hulk Hogan. We saw Vader. We saw Ric Flair. We saw Randy Savage. And we saw a lot of jizzes.
00:09:44
Speaker
Yeah I think that's the thing you're going to find out about a mid 90s WCW. Would you consider the nasty boys like just two jizzes. So you know how so you know how the bullet which is kind of an appropriate name like those are just doesn't have a mom and a dad. He just has two dads and it's it's Brian knobs and Jerry Sacks knobs.
00:10:16
Speaker
I like this story so much. This is the fucking Jizz prequel that I didn't know I needed until this moment. Right now, Knobs is walking around in a shirt that says the OCJIZ. Not realizing there's two Z's. Oh my god. I want a WWE storyline where Jizz finds out that his two dads are Sags and Knobs. And he's trying to introduce his new girlfriend to them.
00:10:45
Speaker
They were both with the same lady, but it could have been either. They don't want to do the DNA test because they both love good guy Otis so much. Yep. Yep. Oh, this is wonderful. We're tying everything back in eventually anyways. Yeah. Lots of, lots of jizzes for those who've been listening to the show for awhile. You get it. You know what we're talking about.
00:11:06
Speaker
Yeah, but the reason we watched this pay-per-view in particular... Yeah, opening match? Opening match! I had no idea it was gonna be the opener when that just popped right on. Oh, so did I.
00:11:19
Speaker
and did you go into that thinking like I'm gonna watch this match because of you know what it is but I'm probably turning it off after this was that your mentality it's always my mentality and I find that when I go to watch something I typically always watch the follow-up match just to see what what you know had to go after the crazy shit
00:11:38
Speaker
I have to give you props. You've been pretty consistent on getting sucked into that since we started the podcast. I have put homework on your desk and you've done it. And then you've done the extra credit for some reason, like you'll just leave it on and you discover things on your own. And for that, I am proud of you. Thank you.
00:11:59
Speaker
So we tuned in. First of all, where did you get the idea from for watching this match, the first match of Uncensored 1995? So I was just trying to go back and think of some garbage matches or matches that are typically considered shitty that you and I had not discussed yet or ones that maybe I had never even seen. And one of the first ones that came to mind was this King of the Road match.
00:12:26
Speaker
between Dustin Rhodes and what was his name, Bully? Blacktop Bully. Blacktop Bully. I believe they were in his semi. Well, I mean, he is the master of the Blacktop Road, right? Absolutely. That was the idea. Absolutely. And how would you describe this match to the listeners, Derek? So here's the thing.
00:12:50
Speaker
in an era where we are just salivating for more cinematic wrestling. Guys, if you want to go back, this is basically the the savage steamboat of cinematic wrestling.
00:13:07
Speaker
Um, we are talking about a big rig motherfuckers, a giant ass truck hauling a flat bed. What is attached to this flat bed? A lot of things are attached to this flat bed. Number one, two professional wrestlers. The other things on that flat bed, bunch of bales of hay, all of this on the flat bed attached to this truck is encased in a cage.
00:13:34
Speaker
Is it a pro wrestling cage? Not really. It's something between like a steel cage that you'd put around a ring and chicken wire. That's the perfect way to describe it. It is somewhere, it is a little sturdier than chicken wire, but not much at all. Right. Did I mention bales of hay out the wahoo?
00:13:56
Speaker
And what's the goal of this match. Well number one the truck that I just mentioned is moving. It is in motion. It is going down the road as Bobby Heaton put it.
00:14:10
Speaker
truck is speeding along 55 miles an hour. But I swear to God, if you're watching this for the first time, that truck is going parade speed at best. They do get to some straightaways where they get up to some highway speed, but you do get right. But again, we have to trust that that's movie magic. They were probably filming this, this drive for a good three hours to get maybe 15 minutes of footage. So this you are right in saying that it's cinematic.
00:14:39
Speaker
Yeah, because they had helicopter shots. They had helicopter shots. They had the way movie studios do chase scenes. They had a truck, a pickup truck following alongside this giant semi truck pulling a flatbed of wrestling mayhem, catching the footage as they went. Garrett,
00:15:00
Speaker
I didn't even get to the best part. You have to win this match one way and one way only. And that's by climbing up to the front of the truck, to the front of the trailer, climbing the cage slash wire slash pin. And you have to honk the horn.
00:15:21
Speaker
That's it. That's it. That's how you win in the strap match or a bull rope match. You got to touch all four corners of the ring. Not in this match. The trucks in motion. You need to make your way to the front and honk the horn. This sounds like a pretty hot match to watch alive.
00:15:41
Speaker
Garrett, I can only imagine the thrill of being in my front yard doing some chores on a spring night in 1995 and seeing a trailer truck filled with mayhem being pulled down the road.
00:16:01
Speaker
at breakneck speeds, bails of hay shooting straw everywhere, and two men beating the shit out of each other for an obscenely long amount. Like nothing really exciting happens, but there's the drama of dudes falling off of this fucking fencing. And to me the best part about this match is anytime that truck took a turn,
00:16:28
Speaker
and they all just spilled to one side. It looked like they filmed this match on the back roads of the set of Twister where they filmed the first two tornado chases in the movie.
00:16:44
Speaker
That sounds accurate. Is that fair to say? That's fair to say. It's not. Well, it's not like downtown Tupelo, Mississippi. Are you sure? Because Bobby Heenan told me that we saw it when he drove when they drove past a trailer park. This go this should go without saying, but I got to give props to the man himself. Bobby Heenan is a national fucking treasure.
00:17:13
Speaker
Are we in agreement on that? Oh, his commentary was beautiful throughout the entire pay-per-view, not just that one match. Bobby Heenan has never had an off night on the microphone as far as I'm concerned. You get one gym every fucking night guaranteed. At least, usually more than one.
00:17:35
Speaker
And what was what was his line as they're driving around the back roads of Tupelo? We don't even know that's actually where they filmed this, by the way. I read that they filmed it somewhere around Georgia or somewhere around Atlanta. That is not surprising at all. What was the line as they passed by like a farmhouse?
00:17:58
Speaker
When he said, like, look at that skyscraper, two stories. Look at the skyline of beautiful downtown Tupelo, Mississippi in the background. You know, there was the scariest pile driver I've ever seen.
00:18:14
Speaker
in that match. Well, yeah, I mean, it wasn't like a really fast pace pile driver, but when you're moving 55 miles an hour down the highway, that's a pretty high stakes pile driver. And it is a pretty high stakes pile driver. Everything about that match was high stakes. Everything about it. In fact, the stakes were so high that by the time the match was done, both men were fired. Now they didn't know that.
00:18:45
Speaker
but they found out later. Do you know what they got fired for? For putting on a match that nobody could top. They got fired because both of them bladed during the match and there was a no blading policy in WCW. So why this match looks so shitty and it was filmed and it shouldn't look that shitty is they're trying to obstruct their faces as much as they can so you don't see the blood.
00:19:14
Speaker
So they were trying to enhance this match because on paper, they were looking at this going, this is going to be dog shit. This is probably not going to work. Let's add some blood. People like blood. And they were probably like, this is a technicality because we're not in a ring. We're not at a venue. This is barely even WCW. We're just going on a drive to the next town as far as I'm concerned. Let's have a match. Let's see what happens.
00:19:43
Speaker
Isn't it insane to get fired over a pre-tape? If we were gonna interview Dustin Rhodes, I would have so many questions for him about this match in particular. You could argue that this match led to Goldust. In fact, you don't even have to argue, this match led to Goldust. If he hadn't bladed that night, he wouldn't be wearing makeup today. Correct.
Feuds and Matches of WCW 1995
00:20:11
Speaker
When you see the natural Dustin Rhodes wrestling in AEW and a one piece wrestling tight outfit that's not gold, it's black and red, but it's clearly inspired by his time as gold dust in WWE. It's because of this match. You can trace everything back to this.
00:20:30
Speaker
Just two assholes rolling down the road, 55 miles an hour, a helicopter, filming it from a distance. You watch it from a distance the majority of the time. The announcers are barely calling it because they can't see anything. And why would they ever go back to the other end of the trailer when the horn is on the one end?
00:20:51
Speaker
but this match lasted 15 minutes and it brought me a lot of joy. It lasted 15 minutes and it opened to the fucking pay-per-view. I wanna know what they told the live crowd in attendance at Uncensored, like, you don't have to come to your seat necessarily, you can just watch this from the concession stand if you'd really like to. Go buy a shirt, get some popcorn, and in about 15, 20 minutes, the live part of the show will begin.
00:21:19
Speaker
Yeah, in the meantime enjoy the shitty angles of this road The king of the road match is what it's called king of the road. But yeah, just sit there. Don't worry soon enough Meng's gonna come out here He's gonna have a martial arts match with Jim Duggan. What is a martial arts match? It's a pro wrestling match
00:21:38
Speaker
It's a pro wrestling match, but it's not a king of the road match. If you've ever wanted to watch two professional wrestlers fight each other while in motion, it's basically a sequel to the Fast and Furious franchise in the past. That'd be a prequel. Whatever. I would go ahead and say it's like the Patrick Swayze movie Black Dog. That's a whole action movie about truckers.
00:22:07
Speaker
All right. Just take my word for that one. Can we talk about the fact that Dustin Rhodes did not win this match? No, he and neither. Neither did neither of them really won. If anything, it was a double count out. So going back to this martial arts versus wrestler match.
00:22:30
Speaker
Is that what we're talking about here? Yeah, it's that Ming, did you look at this as a martial arts match at all? What were the martial arts rules?
00:22:38
Speaker
I don't understand. There was so much weird shit to start this pay-per-view. This was WCW in like 45 minutes. This whole pay-per-view idea is supposed to be that there's no rules, that every match is no DQ, that nothing is just a regular wrestling match. And this kind of was just a regular wrestling match, if I remember correctly.
00:23:02
Speaker
I just remember feeling like as a kid, like WCW had all these different names for their pay per views. And this one was called uncensored. And I remember feeling like, Oh man, this one's different than all the other ones. Like uncensored pay per view. They can use swear words. You might see a tit. There's going to be blood and
00:23:21
Speaker
I feel like I only got two out of those three things with this pay-per-view and not really that much blood. Yeah, the blood you saw got people fired. I did. As far as Hacksaw Jim Duggan versus Ming, what the hell is Haku's problem? What do you mean, what's his problem? You get that reference?
00:23:49
Speaker
Are you fucking high? No, I'm not! You get that reference? I don't think I got it!
00:23:59
Speaker
Remember last year in the build to, I guess two years ago, in the build to all in when the Bullet Club was fighting? And they got attacked by the... How the fuck you miss that hurts my feelings. You're right, it was all of them sitting there on that couch. And what did Cody ask? What the hell is Haku's problem?
00:24:23
Speaker
Hacksaw Jim Duggan not in Hacksaw Jim Duggan attire is really fucking weird. Yeah, I was kind of hoping he was gonna come out in martial arts gear though. That would have been fantastic if he'd come out in a fucking robe with a fucking black belt and the American flag and a 2x4 that he fucking chops and breaks.
00:24:44
Speaker
Do you have any connection with Hacksaw, Jim Duggan? Like, is there growing up, were you ever a fan of his? Is he somebody you enjoy? I know he's a wrestling icon. I know there's a lot of fucking wrestlers that look up to him. And I mean, I don't really have a lot of memories with him. I think he was literally in that era right before we came around. You know what I mean? Like, I think like Hacksaw, I think was a star in like the 80s.
00:25:09
Speaker
And I just don't remember much eighties wrestling because I was born in 87, man. That's fair. That's fair. I do remember in WCW in the late nineties, I remember Scott Hall throwing out the WCW television championship into the trash and hacksaw Jim Duggan had been made into a janitor and he found the title and the garbage and named himself the television champion. I remember this. That is my memory of hacksaw Jim Duggan.
00:25:39
Speaker
him as a janitor getting the title out of the trash? Correct. That's sad. It is sad.
00:25:46
Speaker
Can I tell you my only, the only hacksaw story I have, I was at a wrestle con in Dallas and I saw hacksaw had a table that was just filled with little two by fours and that he was signing. And I watched some drunk guy go by and it's like, Oh my God, hacksaw. Can I get a picture? And he's like, absolutely man. And he took the picture and his kids saying, dad, you have to charge people. That's why we're here.
00:26:15
Speaker
So Hacksaw was just being too fucking nice. Good guy Hacksaw Jim Duggan out there just throwing up thumbs and taking pictures with people for free. The question is, did you run up to Hacksaw and pay him for a picture in a 2x4? I did not.
00:26:35
Speaker
So, third on this fucking show. Again, peak WCW, is this the boxer versus wrestler match? Yes, the next match was Johnny B. Bad with, he up against Arne Anderson in a boxer versus wrestler match. And the rules of this match, Arne Anderson can win with wrestling rules, but Johnny B. Bad can only win by knocking out Arne Anderson.
00:27:05
Speaker
Well, how's that fair? I saw that there were two minute rounds. I laughed at the fucking dated clock that they decided to throw in the middle of the fucking screen for these rounds. Two minutes. I don't know how the scoring worked. I don't know who the judges were. I just know that Johnny B. Bad became Mark Marrow in WWF. And Mark Marrow brought in Sable.
00:27:36
Speaker
They were dating. So what did Johnny B Bad bring? Nothing. Not a goddamn thing. How do you feel about Arne Anderson in 1995? Arne Anderson in the mid 90s was apparently still the shit. I kind of mean the shit as a good thing. Yeah, of all the people that we watched. Honestly, I think Arne Anderson might have been one of my favorite guys. You feel like you have a newfound respect for Arne Anderson? Yeah.
00:28:05
Speaker
Guys kind of badass. Do you remember when we were doing this show live in the lobby of the Hyatt Regency in Schomburg, Illinois at Starcast and our friend Eli just came back from meeting Arne Anderson?
00:28:20
Speaker
I do remember that. He was so excited. We called him up on stage and wanted to have a moment with him, but he was just fucking awestruck and he was numb because he met fucking Arne Anderson. Do you feel a little bit of that right now? Do you understand it more? I get it more. I feel bad that I didn't appreciate Eli's meeting of Arne Anderson a little bit more at the time.
00:28:43
Speaker
You've met my stepdad Bruce before, haven't you? I know what you're about to say. And yes, he does look a little like Arne Anderson. Bruce came up to me when I was younger. I want to say the late 90s. That makes sense. Apparently, somebody had approached him somewhere and told him that he looked like Arne Anderson. And I had to be the one to break the news to him. Like, yeah, you do just a little bit, even down to the glasses.
00:29:11
Speaker
Arne Anderson would be a fun Halloween costume. Arne And- That is not where I was expecting that to go. Arne Anderson owns what many people consider to be the greatest spine buster in the history of professional wrestling. It was hard to argue. Which pay-per-view was it at? Was it at one of the ones, was it at all out where we saw the spine buster again?
00:29:39
Speaker
I think it was at all hours, as a matter of fact. Or would that have been double or nothing? I don't remember. They all run together these days.
00:29:46
Speaker
I can't remember. I can't remember. But yeah, this was when Arne Anderson could still wrestle. This was like the final few years of Arne Anderson's career in the ring. And he was still putting on quality matches. I don't know if that was the case here with Johnny B. Bad. Why the fuck did they just book three gimmick matches right up front?
00:30:10
Speaker
Because it's uncensored, baby. No, no. It's because it's WCW, baby. And because they just didn't trust their fucking talent to go out and wrestle.
00:30:21
Speaker
Can we talk about the running joke all night of Bobby Heenan reminding Tony Schiavone that it's uncensored and Tony Schiavone getting increasingly more irritated and how fucking hilarious that was. Anytime something would happen and Tony Schiavone would seem flabbergasted by that. Bobby Heenan would be like, you know, it's funny. It's uncensored. Anything can happen.
00:30:48
Speaker
all night long to the point where eventually Shivani starts turning around on Heenan by the end of the show. That was fucking storytelling at its finest. It's uncensored.
00:31:04
Speaker
By the time fucking Hogan comes out on top at the end of that show, that it's uncensored has been turned around. Oh, fuck, man. Yeah, nothing compares to that fucking opening match to this point. What was match number four, sir? The next one was Randy Savage versus Avalanche, which was maybe the most controversial match of the night. What made this one controversial again?
00:31:32
Speaker
Well, it ended in a DQ on a night where there were no DQs. That's true. That's difficult to process. Can we talk about the fact that God damn it.
00:31:46
Speaker
don't, you just got done letting, reminding me that a Bobby Heenan said over and over again, it's uncensored. Anything could happen. One match ends in a disqualification because of somebody interfered. And remember this is WCW's first time doing uncensored. It wasn't like they hit like it was like three years in and they backed themselves into a corner. No, this was their first time out there. That should have been a strict guideline for every match. It's like, Oh, it's uncensored. We can't do the usual
00:32:16
Speaker
So yeah, a lady in a dress comes in and starts beating the shit out of Randy Savage, wig comes off, turns out it's Rick Flair. It's Rick fucking Flair. He's got full eyeliner, he's got lipstick, his fingernails are painted, he really got into this character of this lady to beat up Macho Man. And he stayed in costume for a good long while. He had the eyeliner on the rest of the night.
00:32:40
Speaker
He did even for the post match fucking promo. Wow. The commitment. Did you get a little bit excited when you see like you're watching a wrestling card from this time period and there's just a fucking macho man Randy Savage match in the middle of the card. Just a mid card macho man. Yeah. That Rick Flair pops up in. Yep.
00:33:04
Speaker
Yes, this is what was going on before the NWO was running terror on the land. Well, I don't know if you happen to look and see what was because they actually did have some dark matches before the King of the Road match for the live crowd.
00:33:19
Speaker
that makes so much sense and those ended up being i guess main event used to be wcw it said that's what that aired on okay because they would film the dark matches and aired on main event uh one of those matches was under 90 seconds but it did include stone cold steve austin okay they're stunning steve austin stunning steve austin yes so you know before that all started we got some steve austin we got some alex wright
00:33:49
Speaker
Save both of those names for later, because we have things to talk about. Absolutely. What happens after the Macho Man Randy Savage Avalanche match? Then we went into Bubba, Big Bubba Rodgers versus Sting. Holy shit.
00:34:07
Speaker
Do you love it this match? I actually had a lot of fun with this. I didn't I don't know if I knew much about Big Bubba Rogers as a WCW entity. But I can tell you this much. I wasn't expecting him to get the W over the stinger. I was not either. I thought there's no way that's fucking happening. Did you like beach sting as a kid?
00:34:31
Speaker
The first, I think that's how we started off this fucking podcast a couple of years ago. The first pro wrestling action figure I remember owning was a WCW beach staying action figure. I think I got it like for a birthday or something. Um, you see, this is what's weird as I remember when I was a kid, it was hard to differentiate between beach sting and ultimate warrior. Basically the same makeup, but one has more to say.
00:34:58
Speaker
one has a flat top a blonde flat top with a rat tail the other one just has long hair and and uh arm bands and just screaming running on steroids high on cocaine i can tell you which one i like more now as an adult which beach thing oh
00:35:21
Speaker
It's weird that we have to call them beach sting. Did they call them beach sting at the time or did we just call them beach sting in retrospect?
00:35:30
Speaker
I think that's his full name, Beach Sting in retrospect. Yeah,
WCW Slamboree 1995 Recap
00:35:39
Speaker
this match was fine. The funny thing is they really did a good job of selling that Sting was hurt for a good long while in this match and brought up past leg issues. And the fact of the matter is Sting loses. It's a fucking big bubba.
00:35:57
Speaker
The next match I think I loved so much that I kind of forgot about the sting match. So the next match is the nasty boys versus Harlem Heat. Falls count anywhere.
00:36:17
Speaker
How do you feel about this awesome Nasty Boys Harlem Heat feud that's going on in the spring of 1995? Derek, this shit carries over to the next pay-per-view and then the story carries over. They're going on for a while. I'm loving it. I'll be honest, I went in thinking I wasn't gonna like the Nasty Boys. I left a Nasty Boys fan.
00:36:41
Speaker
You you're leaving to this show as a nasty boys fan. How do you feel about the gym nasty boys? Moving on back to this match. I just tell you I think I squirted a little bit of piss out of my wiener when Brian knobs went to hit one of the Harlem heat guys with some kind of stick and he slipped
00:37:09
Speaker
He busted his ass. Are you are you combusting over there? I'm holding in laughter right now because that was he just fell so fucking hard. I'm so hard. And it wasn't an on purpose fall. So was that an actual concession? It was not. It was an accidental fall, which is what made me piss. It was like, have you ever seen the movie Along Came Polly?
00:37:36
Speaker
Philip Seymour Hoffman right at the beginning of that movie takes one of the hardest falls I've ever seen. And I love it. And this brought me back to that moment.
00:37:45
Speaker
Um, was this an actual concession area or was this a mockup stage? Like a, like a set of a concession area. This was definitely, um, like maybe they were there as a concession area state, you know, like onsite to be used, but they definitely weren't in use at that time. They were off to the side. They are busting up everything, beating the shit out of each other. And this wasn't even for the titles, was it?
00:38:15
Speaker
This was a match that just ended and they suggested that somebody got pinned. Oh my god, yeah. So they're just, basically they start in the ring, they end up in the concessions, everything's wet and everyone's falling down and suddenly the match is just over.
00:38:32
Speaker
But then the announcers have to cover for it and they're like, I guess a pinfall happened. And then they go back and yeah, we can't really say what the gym nasty boys. I was. It's hard to get out of one of the nasty boys. They announced that they won, but I don't think it was for the titles because why didn't they walk out with the titles if they won?
00:38:50
Speaker
No, cause it wasn't the, uh, the titles were on the line, the next pay-per-view. Correct. Yes. So because they beat them in this match, they got a title shot, I guess is how it worked. That would make sense, but there was probably like three weeks of TV we missed in between.
00:39:06
Speaker
I mean there was more than that this pay-per-view was in March and the fucking next one was in May Jesus you're right they built that for a long time then TV worked differently back then it was not instant gratification the way it is now yeah this this nasty boys versus Harlem heat feud was was hot was hot fucking shit and let me tell you I
00:39:27
Speaker
This one was worth pulling up because if you want to see a man take a nasty spill mid fight, this has got exactly what you're looking for. If you want to see Brian knobs bust his ass so fucking hard. To make a note, did you notice that on this show, it seemed like there were multiple promos where it felt like somebody said, all right, wrap it up, cut. Like they would be in the middle of talking and rambling and then suddenly it would just be over.
00:39:57
Speaker
Go back and watch this shit. What happened after the Nasty Boys Harlem Heat match? Well, all you can do after that is give a main event. Absolutely. What's our main event? Our main event is Hulk Hogan, who's going to be bringing out a super special guest named the Renegade. And he is facing Vader with Ric Flair.
00:40:21
Speaker
So Rick flares in the corner of Vader and Hogan has a man known as renegade who basically just looks the way ultimate warrior did when he was in a tag team with macho man in the WWE. Exactly. Yeah, he has a he has an R painted on his face and he yells and that's kind of his character. He's a fucking dollar tree ultimate warrior. That's all you need to know.
00:40:46
Speaker
And all I could think of when I pulled this man's Wikipedia page up is, he's billed as five foot ten. I'm taller than this fucker. See, all I could think when I was pulling up his Wikipedia page is, God, I hope he's alive. I want to see him at a spring break. I know. Let's talk about it.
00:41:06
Speaker
Because the match is what it is. If you're getting a fucking Hogan match in the 90s before he turns heel, you know what you're getting. You're getting a big boot. You're getting a leg drop. He gets beat up for a while and then shakes his head no. Yep. You know what you're getting into with Hulk Hogan. No different here. There is an allegiance between Arne Anderson, Ric Flair, and Vader.
00:41:31
Speaker
uh but we've got renegade and fucking macho man uh backing up the holster let's talk about renegade um i the name was vaguely familiar i guess uh renegade renegade unfortunately got released by wcw in 1999 and not too long after that he apparently committed suicide oh jesus that
00:41:52
Speaker
Yeah, that's fucking crazy shit to be talking about right now. It's true. They had renegade book to be the next guy. They wanted him to be the fucking big star. In fact, they went as far as saying that on air, like Hogan was trying to pass on the future to this guy. Obviously, that never happened. And that's kind of an unfortunate story to hear just a few years later. But the wrestling observer newsletter voted him the worst wrestler of 1995.
00:42:23
Speaker
Man, well you've got stuff to look forward to then because this is only March of 1995. When he gets going here. I'm gonna give you a spoiler by Great American Bash 95. He does beat Arn Anderson for the TV title. Well that was his only title reign he ever had. Was it really? It really really was. I'm really happy I got to watch that one then.
00:42:48
Speaker
Good on you. So we put the bow on Uncensored 1995. Step on over. Opening match of fucking Slamboree 1995. We're getting to revisit that Harlem Heat nasty boy's feud. God damn right we are and this one is hot, Derek. It's a hot fucking opener. Is this the one that made you pop? Yes!
00:43:10
Speaker
Did you pop for the pile driver? What I popped for was I didn't, I still didn't think I cared about the nasty boys that much yet. But then what happened, what happens in this match is, uh, before all of this happens, it's supposed to be Harlem heat versus the nasty boys, but the nasty boys get attacked by the blue bullets. Steven regal in a Earl Robert Eaton. Little known fact, you know who used to be in the blue blue, blue, blue butt?
00:43:39
Speaker
Do you know who used to be in the blue bloods with William Regal? Who? Triple H. Oh, that was where he started as Hunter Hearst Helmsley. Well, kind of. He wasn't that. He was terrorizing, I think. Terrorizing? That was Triple H's WCW going. That's better.
00:44:02
Speaker
Why would he ever change his name was Tara? Rising Tara. I didn't I don't know the lady name. I didn't I don't know if that was his name when he was in the blue bloods. For some reason I blue bloods is like my fucking tongue twister. But yes, the blue bloods attack knobs.
00:44:24
Speaker
take him out. Yeah. And Sags has to wrestle this match by himself against two of the toughest son of a bitches in future WWE hall of famers. And I think Harlem heat. Good. I hope I get to watch Sags get beat up, but you know what? Sags is holding his own real fucking heart against these two dudes.
00:44:44
Speaker
can I just tell you there was something really fucking awesome? I'm going to go back to that pile driver. First of all, shocking to see pile drivers being doled out, no questions asked. That was wild. Two, you know how you have that moment of tag match where there's the fucking hot tag and people lose their fucking lines? Well, when fucking knobs runs out to join his tag team partner, that's when Sags hits that fucking pile driver. That place goes fucking ape shit for the nasty boys.
00:45:13
Speaker
It is wild to see in here. And to see all the signs, like the nasty boys were a lot bigger than I thought they were. The fucking nasty boys defeat Harlem Heat to win the WCW World Tag Team Championships. And it feels like a moment.
00:45:34
Speaker
Yeah, and I popped. I felt like I was having a moment myself. I bet you if you go to Hogan's Beach Shop, you can get a nasty boy. Oh, I'm sure you could. All I could think about was knobs and Hogan riding around together and how that started.
00:45:50
Speaker
And WCW. Yes. Because aren't they still good friends? I think they are. I know that he was a sinful character on Hogan Knows Best. What do we got after this? Let's see. We had Kevin Sullivan versus the man with no name. We can probably skip that one. Yeah, nothing to mention here. Can we just get to the Alex Wright shit for the love of God, Garrett?
00:46:21
Speaker
Wait, the Alex Wright shit, was he on this pay-per-view? Are you fucking shitting me? Okay, okay, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I was looking at the wrong list. I watched a different Alex Wright match on the next pay-per-view. Derek, the Alex Wright match on Great American Bash was my favorite match I watched this weekend.
00:46:44
Speaker
Garrett, the Alex Wright match against Arne Anderson from Slamboree 1995 would have been one of the best matches at WrestleMania in the last five years. Alex Wright fucking rules. Alex Wright and Arne Anderson put on one hell of a fucking match. And look, I know, look,
00:47:09
Speaker
For those of you listening to this, who do not know who the fuck Alex Wright is, Alex Wright may be one of WCW's best original fucking characters in the 90s. Is that fair to say? At least for playing him in a video game, he was one of the best. Well, but I just mean straight up, I understand, not top draw talent wise, but I'm saying you don't look at WCW and think Hulk Hogan was their creation.
00:47:38
Speaker
But I'm talking like the Goldbergs and the DDPs and the Stings, like that's their top talent. But as far as like their undercard goes, Alex Wright is a wrestler that's German that wears a leather jacket and he dances. I love the dancing. That's what you need to know. Alex Wright was in a tag team with Disco Inferno and they were called the Boogie Nights.
00:48:05
Speaker
And that's Knight's K-N-I-G-H-T-S. You see, and that name popped me to this day. That's good writing. And I wouldn't have known.
00:48:15
Speaker
until I watched this match with Arn Anderson, that not only was Alex Wright the better person, like wrestler and his tag team, but with him and
Great American Bash & Listener Interaction
00:48:25
Speaker
Disco Inferno, Alex Wright was miles ahead of Disco Inferno at any point in Inferno's career. His ring entrance was a back flip off the top rope. The crowd fucking popped for his ring entrance. He was a baby face. I remember Alex Wright being a fucking heel and like 97, 98, 99,
00:48:46
Speaker
This Alex Wright was over with the crowd. Motherfucker, you don't even know 95 Alex Wright.
00:48:52
Speaker
I just learned about 95 Alex Wright, and let me tell you, go back and watch his match with Arne Anderson. I'm sure a lot of it's Arne Anderson carrying him to a great match, but Alex Wright looks fucking fantastic. He's over, it was a damn good match. And it got me excited, because now all I want to do is find other Alex Wright shit. Well, Derek, let me tell you, Great American Bash 1995, it opens with Brian Pillman versus Alex Wright.
00:49:20
Speaker
Barnburner. It was so fucking good. They were both so good. It was just watching because I don't when I go back and watch this era of WCW, I don't think of it being insanely athletic. I think of like, you know, either really large men throwing dudes around or you know, just buff guys. We're watching two actual like athletic guys put on an awesome wrestling match.
00:49:47
Speaker
It didn't, it felt like a wrestling match that could have happened today and I would have still enjoyed it. We need to give the people a warning about what we're gonna tell them. Slamberry 1995, World Championship Wrestling. Strap yourself in for this announcement. The IWGP Championship is defended.
00:50:16
Speaker
by the great Muda against Mr. Wonderful, Paul Orndorff. Wrap your fucking minds around that. You thought it was wild when Cody won the NWA championship from Nick Aldis at All In? That was an independent show, motherfucker. This is a pay-per-view. This is a WCW pay-per-view. WCW had a relationship with New Japan Pro Wrestling. I'm sure you knew that. I knew that, but I always forget it until I see New Japan people pop up in it.
00:50:47
Speaker
Yeah, this is the thing that happened. It was an okay match. They announced, and this is what I wanted to get back to. The match was what it was. GreatMuda retains the title over Paul Orndorf, with a hell of a moonsault, by the way. Like a really fast-snapping moonsault. Dude, the way GreatMuda moves, every movement he has, he just feels like he's moving like lightning.
00:51:12
Speaker
Yes. Are you excited to check out more mood of stuff in the future? Of course. Of course you are. We've got all the time in the world. Yeah. Like you said, though, there was just this one little elbow drop he did and he dropped so fucking fast. It looked like he did a flip while he did it, but all he did was just a simple elbow drop.
00:51:32
Speaker
They announced, first of all, Bischoff was on commentary for Slamboree 95 and Bischoff announced that Muda had been in WCW wrestling the year prior and that he wrestled a match at Spring Stampede 1994 against stunning Steve Austin. What? I want to go back and watch this. This is what I wanted to watch if I'd had more time.
00:51:59
Speaker
I hear you fumbling over there. I need to write this down. Spring Stampede 1994, the great mooda from New Japan. Wrestling future stone cold Steve Austin. That rules. Yeah, we're going to check that shit out. Yeah, let's do that next week. I'm completely fine. You know what? After I'm done with 95, why not go back to 94?
00:52:26
Speaker
You just do a version of that where you go back in time. What's after it? Well, what else do you want to talk about from Slamboree 95? Well, I feel like it would be a shame if we didn't mention that in the middle of this pay-per-view, they had a Hall of Fame induction ceremony, which did not bring it to a screeching halt at all.
00:52:50
Speaker
You were into the Hall of Fame? No, I'm joking. That thing... Oh, no, but we got to see Baby Cody. That was fun. You did get to see Baby Cody. What Hall of Fame was it? The WCW Hall of Fame. WCW had a fucking Hall of Fame? Is it still around? I don't think you can go visit it anywhere, but I'm sure if you look on... The WWE just... Yeah, I hope they got two rings. Nice.
00:53:17
Speaker
But no, the match I wanted to bring up. You were just gonna breeze by Wahoo McDaniel versus Dick Murdock? Yeah, I fucking breezed by it. Why? It was in black and white. They gave us two old men beating the shit out of each other, kinda. I mean, Garrett, I told you I watched most of this pay-per-view, and when I see the name Wahoo McDaniel, I said, I gotta get to the main event. Derek, they put this match in black and white to remind you that they were old.
00:53:45
Speaker
So they were doing what fucking Bray Wyatt's doing now and adjusting the lighting and the production. Garrett, did you have fun with it? I did. I had fun with this entire pay-per-view. Like I said, 1995 WCW is my shit right now. I love all these characters and I'm not done with these storylines. I'm going back and I'm going to finish every pay-per-view from 95.
00:54:12
Speaker
Again, the pay the pay-per-views main event is Hogan and Savage, you know, the fucking mega powers against Ric Flair and Vader. Again, Renegades on the outside for Hogan and Savage and we got Arne Anderson on the outside for Flair and Vader. You know what happens. Can I mention to you
00:54:33
Speaker
how fucking awesome that Hogan big boot to Flair is on the ring apron that sends him marching out like 30 feet down the aisle before Flair takes the fucking pratfall and I popped for it. I've seen that shtick a million times. I'll see it a million more times. It'll never get fucking old watching Flair have to walk it off and then collapsing onto his face.
00:54:56
Speaker
Does going back and looking at these guys like seeing Hulk Hogan in this time period, does it bring back childhood memories for you like it does me? It doesn't really like it does Hogan really wasn't part of your childhood. I think I mean, I was culturally aware of Hulk Hogan. I just think that
00:55:21
Speaker
My memories of Hogan were him being on the cover of a lot of the wrestling games, but I remember being more into a lot of the other characters on the game than Hogan. I can't remember which WWF game I played, but I always liked playing as the Undertaker.
00:55:38
Speaker
How dare you? I'm sorry. Speaking of Undertaker, before we forget, now that you mentioned Undertaker, because I know we're coming close to the end here, and I just want to make sure we don't not talk about Seven. Oh, we're going to talk about it, but you got to talk about the Great American Batch. Oh, do I still got to talk about that?
00:55:58
Speaker
Tell me about the next pay-per-view after Slamboree. Well, Great American Bash. And it is important to say at the end of Slamboree that Ric Flair and Vader, or no, I'm sorry, Ric Flair and Arne Anderson beat the shit out of Angelo Pafo, who is in his 70s.
00:56:15
Speaker
That is the father of Macho Man and Lonnie Pafo, the genius. It's just important to bring that up because Great American Bash, that is a big storyline because Macho Man for weeks has wanted a piece of Ric Flair, but couldn't have a piece of Ric Flair until Great American Bash.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah. Can I can I tell you that Lanny Poffo has a predetermined button somewhere? I hope he still has it. I hope he's still listening. I hope he still has it too. I hope he's one of our listeners. I hope he's one of our regulars. Product the Downers Grove, Illinois. Really?
00:56:52
Speaker
Yep. You have one- Great American Bash, 1995. July, take me there. We were probably balls deep in some Star Wars playing at this point in time. Derek, we are in Dayton, Ohio. The attendance is about 6,000. The people are packed into the rafters to this place. Alex writes fighting Brian Pillman. It's awesome. Then after a really good- Honestly, this Brian Pillman match that was so good was the longest match of the entire night.
00:57:21
Speaker
And how long was it? Almost 16 minutes. Wow. It went longer than the main event. So they just told them, go out there, kids. Have some fun. Yeah. And I recommend going and checking this one out. It was fun. Just honestly, I want to go back and watch some more Alex Wright shit other than the two that we watched. I'm totally in for that. We've got time. Let's see. What else did we get? We got Sting versus Ming for the US title.
00:57:52
Speaker
It was a vacant title at that point. I love the US title. Have I ever mentioned that before? I think you have, and I think I was surprised. I have an affinity for the United States Championship. Do you have a favorite US champion? Oh, god.
00:58:11
Speaker
No, I mean, I've just always been a fan of the way the title looked. I mean, a lot of people who have been like world champions held the United States Championship at one time. I remember the WCW version of the United States Championship from the late 90s. I remember being a fan of that look. I'm still okay with the one they use in WWE. Is what it is, dog, I like the US title. Sting is fighting Meng.
00:58:38
Speaker
That was good. Let's see, we had nasty boys versus blue bloods. Renegade versus Arn Anderson, nine minute match. And what does Renegade do? He does a lot of headlocks.
00:58:52
Speaker
Well fucking Alex Wright did a ton of headlocks with Arne Anderson, but it was fucking awesome. So I don't know what Renegade fucked up. Renegade just watched the last match from the pay-per-view before and was like, all right, this is what we're gonna do. Just a bunch of headlocks. Arne, can we just do that? Let's just do the headlocks. All right, we'll give it a try.
00:59:13
Speaker
Oh, maybe the main event of the entire thing though, Dave Sullivan. You familiar with Dave Sullivan? I am not familiar with Dave Sullivan, but I got pictures. He is the brother of Kevin Sullivan. Clearly.
00:59:28
Speaker
In this it says he played the dyslexic brother. He was more of a Lenny from of mice and men. He had a rabbit and a cage. And this was a time when DDP was just arm wrestling everyone and calling himself the arm wrestling champion. I have to assume he was injured. Is that, I didn't even consider that. I just thought like he was loving life. Like hell yeah, I get to be the arm wrestle guy.
00:59:55
Speaker
When you got to understand that like a sure giveaway a lot of times of a wrestler being injured is when they come up with a goofy ass fucking stick for him to do that doesn't involve him taking bumps that he ends up doing for weeks and weeks. Okay, as he recovers. Yeah. So this match, it was DDP versus Dave Sullivan. And the winner got to go on a date with diamond doll.
01:00:20
Speaker
Not Kimberly Page, mind you. Diamond... Oh, it is Kimberly Page. It is. I just looked it up. Her name was Diamond Doll at the time. Oh, so it is... Okay. Well, that's a hell of a prize. That is a good prize. And she actually fucked it up for DDP and ended up making him lose. What a meanie.
01:00:44
Speaker
I don't think
01:01:03
Speaker
Um, the fucking king of the road match with Dustin Rhodes and black top bully was both of their last match in WCW before they got fired. Well, you made a point that, uh, you know, or we made a point at the beginning of the show that he goes back to, he goes to WWF and he becomes gold dust and has pretty decent success there during that first run as gold dust. Uh, he ends up coming back to WCW. I think this is like 1999.
01:01:31
Speaker
Dustin Rhodes comes back to WCW as a character called Seven, which
01:01:38
Speaker
If you don't know about this segment, if you are a fan of professional wrestling, listen to me now, stop what you're doing. Pause the podcast after you hear this and go to YouTube and type in WCW seven Dustin Rhodes and go look for this character's debut on WCW Monday nitro. Holy shit. It is a combination.
01:02:07
Speaker
of The Undertaker and Uncle Fester. And Dustin Rhodes ain't happy about it. So this character has been appearing in vignettes. It's a guy wearing like a black trench coat, a giant fucking Undertaker style hat, and he's wearing white makeup all over his face, except for right around his eyes.
01:02:35
Speaker
Uncle Fester, keep it in mind, it comes back up. Single greatest ring entrance I've ever seen to what game after it. This man, Dustin Rhodes.
01:02:47
Speaker
floats to the ring, the lights go black, there's fire, there's fog. When Derek says he floats to the ring, this man flies to the ring, like arms extended, floats from the ramp to the ring. He is hovering. Slowly. He is hovering. Slowly slurring.
01:03:09
Speaker
There is terrifying graveyard style music playing. And as soon as the fucking entrance is over, there's that cut the music moment and fucking Dustin Rhodes proceeds to cut
01:03:24
Speaker
a shoot promo on WCW and WWF and Goldust and fucking creative at WCW. If you have not seen this segment, get on YouTube, look this up. The character's name is Seven, WCW, Dustin Rose, get on there, check that shit out. That's what my reference, the beginning of the podcast was when I said fear me, you will, and that deep voice, you'll get it.
01:03:52
Speaker
the best part of that entire promo to me is he's going through, he's like, look at all this crap they have me wearing. And partway through him bitching about his character just goes, oh, my name's seven now, by the way.
01:04:12
Speaker
But my favorite, favorite, favorite thing is that he knew he was gonna get to that ring and bitch about that character, but he still had to stand there with the safety guy and get hooked up to that harness. And just with all the pyro, the fog, just to have this grand entrance to bitch about your job is incredible. Can we talk about the fact that you said he had to? We don't know that he didn't want to.
01:04:39
Speaker
Oh my God, he could have requested that.
01:04:43
Speaker
What? You're right. He could have been like, I think it'd be really fucking sweet if I fly to the ring. And made fucking Turner network television pay for that fucking entrance. Just waste their time. And then cut the fucking promo. That's fucking fantastic. Yeah, go look that up. That's when fucking Dustin Rhodes came back to WCW and then he went back to WWE for a really long time and then he wound up in AEW.
01:05:11
Speaker
Garrett, as you were saying, we did get an email. Let's lay it on me. This is from our buddy Kevin Allen. It says, hey guys, just finished listening to the episode and heard you guys suggest the next one be a throwback episode where you talk about anything the listeners suggest. May I recommend you to watch Shimmer 113 and Kikutaru's open challenge at GCW Japan 2020 night two.
01:05:40
Speaker
And on that note, what are the best comedy wrestling matches you've seen live or otherwise? Dig the new format. Hope y'all are holding up well in quarantine and hope are in that you keep up the good work. Kevin. Thanks, Kevin. Thanks, Kevin. We can definitely check. I like getting mail. We can definitely check those out for the next episode. That is not a problem.
01:06:02
Speaker
Like I said, I like getting mail. Send us more mail. Talk to us. That's a good question, though. Do you have a favorite comedy match off the top of your head? Um. I mean, do you consider the match that fucking Orange Cassidy had at Revolution against Neville or not Neville Pak? Was that a comedy match? I think that that could be like a high level comedy match. I think anything Orange Cassidy does is technically a comedy match.
01:06:33
Speaker
Well, if that's the case, that match got multiple standing ovations from an arena. Like how can I not pick that one? That's a good point. I never even really thought about that. Have we seen other comedy matches that have gotten that high of praise from the audience?
01:06:51
Speaker
I don't think so. I mean, I would love to stand corrected, but, uh, I mean, I hate to give you like a straight up good, serious answer and kill the debate, but I mean, I've, I've seen orange Cassidy wrestled gang growl. Um, what other fun stuff have we seen?
01:07:09
Speaker
Let's see, I know for sure my favorite comedy match I've ever seen was at Bola, maybe 2016. It was a year that Jushin Thunder Liger was there. And during, it was a 10 man tag match. It ended up a train of people putting their thumbs in each other's butts and getting connected. And it was like Jushin Thunder Liger, Tommaso Ciampa, Aleister Black.
01:07:36
Speaker
The lineup, Pete Dunn, I think everybody that was in that is signed now. But it was just a line of dudes with thumbs and butts. The other, maybe 2015, I saw a 10-man tag where it went slow-mo. And the entire crowd went slow-mo themselves and were doing the, this is awesome. As every wrestler in the ring is moving in slow motion.
01:08:02
Speaker
Just kind of seeing a comedy match where the entire crowd got to be a part of it. That was pretty cool. I think I might have to. That sounds pretty, that's a good answer. I think that one might have to be mine. Garrett, this has been fun. Taking the trip back in time 25 years WCW. 1995 WCW is a fun place to visit when you're in lockdown.
01:08:24
Speaker
It is, and I'm ready to keep going there. And let's look up some more stuff for next week that we can do that with. Kevin will watch the matches that you've asked for. And yeah, check us out on social media. We're at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter. We're at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I am at Gartet on social media. Derek is at Halloween Halpin. Send us an email at predeterminedpodcast at gmail.com.
01:08:49
Speaker
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01:09:09
Speaker
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01:09:38
Speaker
This was so much fun not talking about what's going on in the world. And we're not going to. Ever again. Hit our goddamn music.