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Wally and Jhonny talking all things reptile and animal related
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Introduction and Greetings
00:00:45
Speaker
What's up, everybody? Welcome to another edition of Cold-Blooded Conversations. um I'm your host, Wally. I'm my co-host, Johnny. I hope everybody's having a good evening. how you doing tonight, Johnny? Doing well, Wally, brother. Thank you. just got in from a day on the town.
00:01:02
Speaker
Heck yeah, man. Awesome. Hey, what's up, Zempius? good Good seeing you, buddy. I hope everything's doing good for you, man. um Yeah, things are going pretty good for me, bud. So tonight... um
Leopard Gecko Morphs
00:01:15
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I know Johnny was talking the other day and stuff. He had some stuff he was researching when I had him up on the show Monday night and everything when we were talking some motocross and stuff on Speedway Stories.
00:01:27
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um I'm going to actually hand the floor over to him for a little while. he can explain what he's wanting to talk about animal-wise and stuff tonight. So, Mr. Bong, the floor is yours, sir.
00:01:40
Speaker
Thank you, brother. on Well, I have been doing... getting back into a little bit of morph research, right?
00:01:50
Speaker
Uh, as I think I mentioned a a couple of streams ago, I would try with the leopard geckos and i got as far as they did with that, but I'll be honest, Wally brother, in the past couple of years, there, there is some new stuff out there.
00:02:06
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Oh yeah. I just seen to today. One of the breeders I follow on, uh, Facebook just released a new gecko that's black and white.
00:02:19
Speaker
Looks like a cow, baby cow. Instead of all black, it's actually got white and black in it. it's ah it was It was pretty sweet. I'll have to send you that i had to send you a picture of it.
Breeding Challenges and Experiences
00:02:30
Speaker
Thanks. If you want, Johnny, give everybody a kind of the back story where you're going with this because of I know a lot of people, just in case new viewers pop in or whatever, Bubba, so they can so kind of get an idea of what you're talking about, sir.
00:02:50
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Well, I i
00:02:55
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i used to breed leopard geckos along with raise them, and it it is a very um ah very colorful, no pun intended, hobby.
00:03:09
Speaker
you know We know. Oh, yes. First hands. Well, it can be very similar to, let's say, um what is it? Boas, right?
00:03:19
Speaker
Yes, sir. ah Boas and pythons. You have lot of the, let's say, quote unquote, designer morphs, if you will. But then you have more of the just all around rarities.
00:03:36
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And well, In my time with the ones I had, yeah they were
00:03:48
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melanistic and we another common morph. ah But that opened me to searching around at some reptile shows and well, looking for myself.
00:04:01
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and they had i i gotta say the ones that i got were easy enough i cannot believe how pricey some of these
Python Breeding and Innovations
00:04:11
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designer once again if you will um morphs go for yes sir they are not cheap especially if they're a world's first design or second or third generation design because a lot of people's put a lot of time into them so yes sir ah That's another thing I've been researching is just how long it takes to pin exactly pinpoint those genes.
00:04:42
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Yeah, I know one of the bull python breeders, Justin Kavolka over at Canova, he's been working on a couple genes that it's been almost his 20-year career that he's been working to break through to get what he's produced through multiple trials and areas.
00:05:01
Speaker
That's just on the ball python side. Your side, it really can get in depth. I mean, it gets in depth, like you said, when you want to create something either more colorful um or a mixture of dark and light, or you just go the dark gene like a Mexican black snake. I mean, there are... look there They're everywhere out there, so...
00:05:30
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eight i don't know. a It baffles my mind the more, almost by the day, that people are coming up with.
00:05:42
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Oh, yeah. It's pretty cool. Especially on the leopard gecko side. um they're They're really, really, really getting in depth. They have, from your what we call our normals, basically with a little bit of blue and kind of a palish looking and dark colors.
00:06:02
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All the way up up to your, oh, what is, which one is it? um One of them's a citrus, like in a bearded dragon, really bright orange. I mean, bright, bright orange.
00:06:15
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And one of my favorites that I just, they've just kind of uncovered within the last five years is it's called the Dark Knight. which is an all-black leopard gecko.
00:06:28
Speaker
Oh, shit. I mean, this thing is as as black as your jacket, buddy. they So... They used to have one. I mean, it used to, but I found out about
Exploring Morph Patterns
00:06:40
Speaker
it a while ago where it was kind of like that. It was called an eclipse and it had the black all over it, but it had some speckles of white dots and it may be, even more of a rarity sometimes had an orange spot, just one orange spot on it.
00:06:55
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Right. Yep. There. Well, and that's the thing is where, um
00:07:05
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it and zephiia it's
00:07:09
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It's not even the spot in. They say under the black light you can actually see the forms of the of the spots and everything. I've never seen somebody personally do the black light on them where it shows the outlines of the spot the spots.
00:07:26
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um But yeah, man, that Dark Knight gene, there's there's a lot of people... They're passing it along. I've been following a lot of guys.
00:07:36
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um Some big name people. um Actually, I'm wearing one of the hoodies of a Mr. b Brian Barczyk. God rest his soul. This is his ah Brian's Army Red Line Shipping. Shout out to them.
00:07:50
Speaker
Love to have you sponsor the show and stuff. but I got it because he passed away from colon cancer and stuff. Heard about that. but but He's one of my big idols and He was one of the ones that was working with a lot of dark genes, not only in geckos crested leopard geckos and crested geckos, but he was trying to make a dark gene in the ball python game and a few of the other snakes that he's done.
00:08:17
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There's a lot of people out there that are
Young Breeders and Community Impact
00:08:20
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they're playing in the on the dark side of the genes they're instead of the real colorful genes nowadays, man. Especially, in your like you said, in the line. Oh, yeah.
00:08:31
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Yes, Zempheus, they do show up in a hotel sheet. But yeah, I mean, you may continue on with what you've been able to find and stuff. So i like i said, floor is yours, man. Steve.
00:08:51
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As somebody who, let's say, is is still, of course, in his twenty s a lot of people would, of course, consider that still still young in the game. And I appreciate that because it means i have all this time to continue to find out some of things that, yeah, sure, I've already big gone a little bit farther in the journey of it. But there's there's a good couple of decades to add on to that, hopefully.
00:09:14
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Oh, yeah. Man, you're just you're getting started now, but with with you already have jumping in the game at a young age, and two, like we've talked here recently before, yes, Zempius, he is a mere pup. He's still a little wet behind the ears, bud. that Oh, I am.
00:09:36
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ah But, yeah, you're back. I mean, you're you're getting into the game back into the game. like you told me, kind of reopened your passion with becoming part of the network and stuff. And, here sir like but yeah, I mean, it's there spread the knowledge you're willing to do the, you know, you're willing to put the time in, do the
Habitat and Husbandry Discussions
00:10:00
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research, let alone with your tattooing and stuff, your artwork for that on your channel. Um, but you're, you're, you're putting a time in. So, but yeah, and as we were, um
00:10:12
Speaker
What else did you happen to find on more information on your, the different style morphs, let alone, did you look in specifics like just the gecko side of it?
00:10:23
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Or did you get get it a little more in depth on different reptiles? So I, I got the most out of it with the leopard geckos. I went a little bit with crusties. Um,
00:10:39
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And of course, what really gave me the the knowledge um of Morse themselves is I started to look up with it before I even have had leopard cat because I started to look up with it with pythons.
00:10:58
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Yeah, they I mean, that fields the field's huge. I mean...
00:11:05
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But yeah, they... I mean, like I said, a lot of these people has been fortunate. They've been putting 10-plus years on getting morphs on specifics that they specialize in.
00:11:21
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I mean, you got the – oh, yeah, Zempheus, everybody else is kind of quiet on here, buddy, in the chatterbox with you.
00:11:33
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But, you know, they, yeah, they're, like I said, with Canova and the ball python game, the dude's got over 20 years just on record for his um breeding that he does. And, I mean, this man has a ginormous array of different breeds of ball pythons and everything else and stuff that he has for,
00:11:59
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ah for the jeans and everything that he's done. And I mean, there's multiple jeans. It's not just like one or two jeans. There's three, four, five different jeans that they do. so Nice.
00:12:14
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See, ah i my dream originally from from those two, I wanted to, of course, have, you know, like the bin rack set up. I really wanted to get into the whole morph knowledge to begin with. I'm still
Advanced Breeding Techniques
00:12:30
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hoping that that is set in stone for me somewhere in life.
00:12:36
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ye You'll get there, buddy. Trust me. It'll happen. um But yeah, the leopard gecko things, I mean, hell, they've got them where they're...
00:12:49
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my God. yeah they ah They got them where they got the white. They look like Dalmatians, just like in the Christie's, the i Oh, yeah. So what else did you find on the leopard gecko side besides what we've kind of touched up on a little bit?
00:13:06
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Well, oh it's taken me a little bit to gather knowledge on that one. Right now I'm focusing around the or trying to get my knowledge back from when I was trying to work with Morph.
00:13:20
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i will say one of the things that I found out early on, even with my care of them is sand sand is a bad idea.
00:13:38
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I wanted them to have substrate to lay their eggs in, but, uh, I, I had a really, really good size, really big male.
00:13:50
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Um, He had like some ah sunburned sunburst orange and I'm I loved him. I was going to use him, you know, primary with his genes, but.
00:14:03
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A sad case with him, he ended up eating some of the sand and it didn't go very well for him.
00:14:11
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What ended up happening? So.
00:14:16
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He ate some of the sand, it of course, had impaction, whole throat swelled. And then this might have been a double case because something else happened to him where the top of his eyes, his whole head like swelled. h That's weird.
00:14:32
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Yeah. I um took him somewhere. couldn't figure they couldn't figure out what was wrong with him.
00:14:41
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And really all together that I'm really fucking sad to say it was was his his end of the road. Sounds like besides getting the impaction, it sounded like because of that, it sounded like you got a real bad infection or something.
00:14:55
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I know you and me have talked about this, but i like I said, I'm letting you have the floor
Reptile Community Knowledge Sharing
00:15:00
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for a little while tonight explain your experiences with your reptiles and stuff. so ah One biggie that i learned is the sand was a fucking no-no. From then on, I used reptile carpet, the the like the Greek carpet stuff.
00:15:14
Speaker
one I love it, man. I actually have that in one of my Beardy's cages because it came with it. The only part I hate about cleaning it is the cleaning part because i it still holds but can hold bacteria, everything else, i mean if you're not careful. so it's that's i mean there's There's pluses and negatives to it.
00:15:43
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um so so i mean for that that's what it is was kind of one of the prices on
Reptile Myths and Education
00:15:50
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my end when you, if you react to the price every a couple of days, because I made sure to, you for that very reason, keep a fresh one on hand. And like said, I would go there and country max and buy stock of things and just change them out every couple of days. Make sure that for that very reason, you just said major, they always had a fresh one and I'd be like two or three days, know, Oh, yeah. I mean, you got to stay on top of it. and I mean, i I've got got it rolls and stuff. I got to get some more here. I'm about out of it for mine because it's about due for the weekly change again and everything else while I wash the others.
00:16:28
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But I usually get like two uses, try to get two uses out of them. But normally here lately, I've just been getting it to where I use it one time and then I'll wash it and I'll keep it
Husbandry Practices and Challenges
00:16:40
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for something, just use it for something else.
00:16:43
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or just keep it as backup because like you said, that's a, that can be a bed for bacteria for everything on it. Um, and cause some more major issues than what you want. if Yeah.
00:16:56
Speaker
It's a little bit of a trade-off. You either get impacted with the sand or you have to constantly get new reptile carpet. Yes, sir. That's just like with, uh, The ball pythons keeping up on the cocoa husk and everything else, you know, doing the proper bedding and making sure the humidity stays where it needs. I mean, everything's got got its own things where it's got its certain ah perks and negative ends to keeping.
00:17:27
Speaker
They're just – it's a little more – you put a little more work into keeping everything cleaned up and stuff so you don't end up in the vet or for sure with big vet bills and everything for sure but little side i note one of the things that actually helped uh my uncle with growing up was we would design terrariums so we would buy stock in all these supplies and then we would make sure that there was a somewhat simulated ecosystem through the whole thing with whatever supplies we were putting in it oh yeah
00:18:03
Speaker
years And that's becoming more and more in the in in the hobby. I've noticed a lot of people are going with their bioactive setups or they're making it kind of more realistic.
00:18:17
Speaker
Like with my leopard gecko I have,
Genetic Diversity in Breeding
00:18:20
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I have for his flooring um crushed walnut it's i and everything else. and But I feed him.
00:18:31
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I got a for the crickets and stuff and mealworms. I've got a dish where they can't get out of it and everything. I feed them that way usually. But I have not had in the last five years. I haven't had any problems with the impaction. Simple clean out, you know, to do.
00:18:47
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And then once a month, once ah once a month, switch it all out for new. Because you can I mean, I can get a big like 10 pound bag of the stuff and it don't take much for it.
00:19:00
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But every now and then just go through spot clean with a sifter and stuff to get all the stuff out of there for a while. and then And then within a month, month and a half, do a complete changeover.
00:19:13
Speaker
yeah. Zempheus, you're fucking crazy, dude. I can tell you missed us. ah i How many was it then, Zempheus?
00:19:24
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Was it all yours? But no, I mean, that's the thing. You see more and more of it. Like me and you've talked on the last couple shows that we were on where the irresponsibility of of everything. so um Sorry for the past couple times I've darted the awareness of things, but it really, some the shit that really pokes into my mind, you know?
00:19:49
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Hey, what's up, Beltloop? How you doing, buddy? Hey. ah Hey, Beltloop. But yeah,
Regulations and Responsible Ownership
00:20:00
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um but this yeah they did just the morphs. I mean, we'll get back to that. Leopard geckos, like you were talking, um there's your normals. There's your super oranges.
00:20:14
Speaker
um Hell, there's even a they got a breed ah that's the raptor breed, which is a large kind of a mixture. It's a larger style leopard gecko I've seen that they have different colors.
00:20:28
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I'm going to hear little about that one. Yeah. um But they have – there's that. They've got what they call a snow leopard, which is white and basically looks like a a leopard with black dots and the light blue over its eyelids and stuff. So, oh I mean, it's pretty sweet.
00:20:48
Speaker
they Like I said, the genes on the leopard gecko side is people – they've been around more – in the pet trade and everything else like beardies and stuff. So people's had longer times to work on that stuff to do different genes and everything. So, Oh, see, I just, I just looked up the, uh, the Raptor morph that you were just talking about. Beautiful.
00:21:14
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Oh yeah.
00:21:17
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But yeah, they, I mean, they're it's just amazing the, how far in the hobby, things have come from your common, from like you said, your leopards, your beardies, your ball pythons.
00:21:31
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Hell, now they're getting in with the different breeds of the boas, retics, berms. so and there's And there's actually a page I follow on Facebook.
00:21:44
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They're actually crossbreeding. It's a hybrids between burmese and ball pythons, tree pythons with carpet pythons.
00:21:55
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They're making hybrids. It's like they're mixing these genes. so Whoa. Thanks for stopping in, Beltloop. Hope you have a good evening at work, man. and We'll catch you guys later catch you later on, buddy.
00:22:09
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Good to see you. Yeah. It's crazy. therere There's one guy that he does ah the berms and ball python mixture. It's just like, holy shit. oh It's got got the patterns of a berm, but it stays the link a little bit bigger than ball python.
00:22:28
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ah I see some pictures of it here. Beautiful animal.
00:22:36
Speaker
Yeah, they're just like in nature with the Gaboon Viper and the Rhino Viper. They naturally cross the big called a Gambino. which then Those things are gorgeous for being a venomous snake.
00:22:52
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and They are. so Now, too, they have one of the guys I follow. They have albino gain gaboon vipers.
00:23:05
Speaker
Whoa. They are very rare, and they've just started breaking the surface with them. There's only six pair In the United States and two of the YouTube guys I follow actually has a pair of each.
00:23:23
Speaker
That is over here. It it's originally originally came from overseas. One of the breeders overseas um created it. They're gorgeous. That black, the bars of the black is kind of replaced for like this pale orange. While the in-between of that replaced for like a pink.
00:23:40
Speaker
Beautiful animal. Looks like a creamsicle. Oh my goodness. But yeah, I mean, like that that's the thing. the we could We could be here all night with the Morse stuff, man. I mean, because there's so many so many things.
00:23:57
Speaker
It's like corn snakes, another one of the most common pets in the trade. There's so many different colors and Morse of those now than there was before. very Oh, yeah.
00:24:14
Speaker
And now they're scaleless, too. which was started in the corn snake field. You get them without scales. All they got is their belly scales.
00:24:24
Speaker
Whoa. Looks like a Zempia's head. but so like
00:24:32
Speaker
No. And then then they got them into – somebody's happened to do it with the ball pythons too. So, I mean, it's – they're harder to upkeep the for the ball python side because – you change the game of your keeping and everything else.
00:24:51
Speaker
You don't keep the humidity nearly as high as you do for like a normal, normal scaled ball python and stuff. Yeah. They're, um, I forgot what it's called, but what they lack in their pigment to make them albino also makes them sensitive to light. Is that correct?
00:25:10
Speaker
On certain animals? Yes. Especially in the, in the mammal Mammal gene. There's a lot of them that are very sensitive the to the light.
00:25:22
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yeah Yes, as if, yes, I am a smartass, so I had to get you on that one. But yeah, I mean, but yeah, the albinism in mammals is more difficult than what it is.
00:25:51
Speaker
they they different things are for them compared to the reptile community. It's obvious.
00:26:02
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ah yeah But yeah, they it's just they're more so mammals are more sensitive to the lights, the heat, yeah just different different things compared to the reptile side. you just kind of On some of it, what I've learned is you step down your normal keeping a little bit and you got to make sure things on the inside of the keeping, like your habitat and everything else, you step up more on it than you do anything else because the skins easier to split with no scales or especially when they're the scale of stuff. Um, the albinos you got to watch,
00:26:48
Speaker
They're notorious for, and this especially ball python genes, like the spider gene. They can have mutation issues. It just depends on on what you're dealing with on a lot of that stuff. Whoa.
00:27:07
Speaker
who awesome I'm seeing a little bit on the scaler stuff. I never knew that that even existed. That's... that's it's crazy working It originated ah Brian Varchek's actually one of the very first ones to do it with a corn snake. Well, a rat snake, which is still part of the corn snake family um to actually scale it do the scale of snakes.
00:27:31
Speaker
And then it became a thing with breeders and a ball python hobby. They started getting them that way too. so That is so weird seeing a snake without its scales. Yeah. But what's funny is, is on the bottom of them, their ventricle scales and stuff, their bottom scales, they still got small scales. They're not their full length belly scales, but they still have scales that protects their underside. But the top of them and stuff, yeah, has no scales and it's harder for them to shed too. So...
00:28:06
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ah So there's special keeping where you got to do your moss boxes with moisture and everything like the hide boxes for them and shit and keep it that way. So it makes it a little more challenging when you have that style of animal.
00:28:21
Speaker
see Once again, because you said scaleless there, ah compared it to the whole gecko thing, because when I used to help my leopard shed, it was only if one of them was really having a hard time east Once again, another thing the male kind of had problems with. Damp Q-tip.
00:28:43
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Yep. It get worked wonders. Get it just... to the hey Yeah. Moist, as Zempia said. Moist. yeah Yeah. And that's the thing. um ah Perfect for removing eye caps. Especially on the snakes.
00:29:02
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yeah It don't matter to the kind you have or anything if they got them. use that to remove remove that the stuck shed and everything. But it's cool with the back to the leopard geckos. What I think is neat is it's not very often you find leopard gecko sheds because they actually eat their sheds.
00:29:25
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Yep. Because it's ah it's a good nutrient for them and everything ah I found a shed once in the five years that I've had my leopard gecko. And that's because I caught him shedding in time.
00:29:38
Speaker
He was just finishing shedding and everything. Other than that, you you never knew. there Same here for mine. Unless I helped the the one that had a hard time with it, the other one, same with does we with the other one. You never saw them shed.
00:29:55
Speaker
Yeah, Zempheus. You're part of the group too, buddy. You you make me moist too, bud. Sorry. Not only Johnny, just you too, bud.
00:30:04
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But yeah, I mean, and and I mean, that's the cool part because the crest it must just be something in the gecko family. Lychies, cresties, the leopard geckos, uh, chihuahuas, you know, anything in the Caledonia family, you very rarely see them find shed anywhere because they, they eat it.
00:30:29
Speaker
They, what, Once again, my only ever experience with it was because my male leopard needed help. Other than that, you're right. I never saw the female shed. It just kind of woke up one day and she was brighter colors and skin was gone.
00:30:49
Speaker
all those blizzard leopard geckos are gorgeous. oh Those are very gorgeous geckos.
00:30:59
Speaker
We love you too, Zempheus, man. You're awesome, dude. I'm glad you finally got to catch my show for a change. Hell yeah. Good missing you, dude.
00:31:09
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But yeah, I mean, it's just, it's amazing. um I mean, how we could do shows on breaking down all the different morphs in the whole reptile community. Yeah.
00:31:22
Speaker
i could I could pull up information all day long. you I know you can too. yeah Because it's ah it's it's just amazing with the with the way they're done.
00:31:34
Speaker
But like you were saying too, you do have your issues because of the breeding. Yes. Yes, shaman. Reptilian, sir. Yes, we're talking about reptiles, bud.
00:31:48
Speaker
Thanks for jumping in, shaman. Appreciate it, man. But yeah, there's there's a lot of lot of issues you got to watch um cause because the bloodline gets so saturated in in your collection.
00:32:03
Speaker
Yeah. ah There's actually one. um My buddy, Wes DeVire, that's in here, man. He's one of my rough truck dudes, Zempheus. Yeah.
00:32:15
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He's local to me and everything else. We hang out at the Rough Truck events. So you got somebody in here that likes racing. He likes dirt track racing too, so you're good.
00:32:24
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But yeah, I mean, well and that's why they stress, especially in the in the ball python game, to try to keep changing out your bloodline after so long.
00:32:38
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So you don't have to deal with the interbreeding Like you do an Alabama fan or anything like that or somebody from yeah South, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. I just did as a joke for that.
00:32:51
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But yeah, I mean, it's just it's just one of those. It's one of those deals. You got to keep, like they said, keep that brush a bloodline fresh. Well, yeah.
00:33:06
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and And I mean, I've seen since I've been in the hobby and everything else for a long time, and just recently too, more and more the greed side of the business. um A lot of these, what they call hobby, some of these hobby breeders out here, they think they're going to get rich off of them.
00:33:29
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They don't realize all these big name breeders that are real popular to do. um All the hard work, all the years that they put into and everything.
00:33:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I've actually, Wes, I've actually looked at that. um There's actually some on his bar checks ah website right now. They're selling that he has.
00:33:56
Speaker
But, yeah, there's there's so many people out there that neglect this hobby that it's making it harder for the younger generation um to hate the hobby.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yes. Because they're asking questions like most people want them to and no people are shunning them for it. I've ran into a couple groups that I've, I'm in where I've seen new beginners ask certain questions, which is common to most of us that's been in a hobby and they get bewittled like they're, they're dumber in a box of rocks when they're trying to educate themselves and that's what we're here to teach.
00:34:35
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Well, the thing i was just going to say, Wally, how would somebody else that would have given them that knowledge? How would they have learned it unless they would have asked some questions at one point or a time? Right. ah But I mean, and that's the thing. That's where it's getting harder and harder. We're lose losing this battle, yeah let alone educating the younger generation, including ourselves. I mean, I'm learning new stuff every day that you don't know. You never knew.
00:34:59
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i mean, there's there's always something new in the reptile hobby. Yeah. that you learn new, the make your make your husbandary, the housing, your upkeep can make it better.
00:35:15
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um yeah Different things like that that works that'll help you. um But yeah, it's just one of those deals. I see it every day on the Facebook things.
00:35:29
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Retix is definitely a big game, man, Wes, that... Especially here in Ohio, um once it hits six foot, you got to jump you gotta jump through hoops to get special permits.
00:35:45
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I've looked into it. You got to have a minimum of at least a million dollar insurance policy. go so i mean it makes it it makes it harder to...
00:35:57
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Exactly, Shaman, man. That is the truth. It is. Knowledge is lost when you don't get to pass along. That is right. And that's the thing. it's It's just one of those.
00:36:13
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he yeah man. That's awesome.
00:36:19
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Yeah, I've seen where that Flow Racing and stuff bought the Lucas Oil late model series, man. I hope they do good with it, but we'll see. We'll talk about that on Monday night, man, if you get a chance to come in.
00:36:32
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Plus, ah but yeah, it's it's just one of those deals like Shaman said, and we've been talking. If you can't pass it on what you know, the hobby's going to die.
00:36:43
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Well, is it's a double-sided coin there. One side is yes, the hobby's going to die. The other side is, how many people are still holding on to that genuine knowledge anymore?
00:36:57
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Right. yeah I mean, ah and that's the thing is it's here and then also, let alone passing knowledge on, you got people that don't understand. They fear what they don't understand.
00:37:12
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Like our I hate getting into the politics side, but because this deals with my hobby, one of my hobbies, just like in motorsports. They stick their nose in trying to delete the hobby because they fear the snakes. they fear And it's all because of irresponsible people that aren't educated properly um on the animals that they're trying to keep.
00:37:35
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Oh, look, there's a cute little cute albino Burmese python. It's only goingnna it's only like three foot long. Then five years down the road, the motherfucker's 12 foot long, and i can't I can't keep it and afford to keep it.
00:37:49
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So we're going to turn the bitch loose in Florida, you know, or turn it loose in the wild or whatever. So it makes the laws, they start making it where you can't keep these animals. And if you keep them, you go to jail, you get fined.
00:38:03
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They kill your animals off. And that's even good. That's good keepers. Well, see, no doubt you know this, brother, but for anybody that doesn't, you go introducing something like that and do a biosphere that it's not used to habitizing it's going to fuck the whole ecosystem that's the reason they got the issues with the berms down there down there in florida is because that hurricane and irresponsible people i mean it's just one of those deals hey yeah you want to talk about poker stock yep all your invasive stuff
00:38:45
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Well, that's, I mean, that's the thing. That's why the iguanas population is huge in Florida. The Burmese, the tokay geckos, everything is because of a lot of errors. Most of it's a lot of irresponsible assholes that did not educate themselves on the animals that they were getting.
00:39:02
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And they figured they're down there here. We're going to take them and be done with them. They don't realize they don't do their homework. Let's say they didn't have a true passion for it either, because if you really have a true passion for the life that you're caring for, you're not going to abuse by doing that.
00:39:24
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Right. Yeah, and i've seen the pictures you I've seen pictures of your the big dogs you've got, and of course, yes, a lot of horsepower.
00:39:35
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Nice. Hey, James is on here from your channel, bud. yeah Good to see you, brother. He's asking for the link. hu ah Yeah. we This one, we don't, we don't drop down in on this one. So, but yeah, they, um, they, it's just, that's the thing. It's like, I mean, that's any, any animals or anything else. Um, it's mine, James, uh,
00:40:10
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My live on my podcast on the network. On nonsensical network, buddy. He shared it out over on his channel. So everybody could see it on his too. um But yeah. They.
00:40:22
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It's just. It's ah animals in general, man. And and the sad part is is. Humans are the same way. But we'll leave that for another so another thing. So. um But yeah. The animal side of it. I mean. Prime example. COVID. COVID.
00:40:38
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Every dog shelter I knew of here in Ohio, they you know adopted animals from them and and everything everything else. And as soon as COVID was over and everything went back, the damn dogs that were adopted and everything else was either turned loose on the streets or they're right back in the fucking shelter again.
00:41:00
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yeah because peace Because people were they were bored because they couldn't get out and about or and do all this other dumb shit. So they get animals and then after after it's all said and done.
00:41:14
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So. Now, sadly, the awareness isn't hitting people. And sadly, because of that, it's only continuing a process. Right. and and it And it's always going to be an uphill battle.
00:41:28
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It don't matter. you're responsible or not. Uh, you can be the most responsible person in the world, keeping animals and everything else. And you're going to have that one or two fucking Karens to, uh, Oh yeah.
00:41:47
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Well, yeah. So, I mean, it's, and it makes it hard. That's why, that's why, for the reptile keepers, they have what the, uh,
00:41:59
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um U.S. ARC, big advocates for the actual ah responsible reptile keepers. They go to battle for for us in the hobby because lawmakers are making trying to make laws that they have.
00:42:15
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um
00:42:19
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oh So it's one of those deals that they have and everything else. So... See, it's it's one of those standards where for the percentage that that mucks up on it, you're you're messing it up for those that actually care about their passion and do it well.
00:42:39
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And it's getting harder. Back to what Shaman said. it's If you can't pass the knowledge on, yeah you know, how's it supposed to carry on?
00:42:51
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but yeah um But yeah, like the re-ticks here in Ohio, there's because of the... ah what they call the Zanesville massacre that happened, guy and everything else got in some trouble with big cats and everything.
00:43:05
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The laws used to be very lenient in Ohio up until that. And now it's got to where you can only keep certain things like the certain snakes. They get so big, like I said, like your anacondas, your e-ticks.
00:43:20
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Once they hit over six foot, you have to report them. um And the like insurance liability. ah You used to be able to keep Venomous without permits in Ohio.
00:43:31
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Now you got for each up to three three of your Venomous snakes. So... so But yeah, it's one of those deals. You got to have almost a half a million dollars in liability insurance and everything else.
00:43:48
Speaker
And you got to get with the farm and Ohio Wildlife Bureau if you want to keep venomous here in Ohio and stuff, even the big snakes. So aye let's just say I've c clay paid as close attention as I can whenever I've seen the handling videos and people working with them. And as much discipline as it takes for you to be right, almost reading the snake's mind, if you will.
00:44:13
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oh heard Nobody gets hurt. right I can understand that. Yep. So, but yeah, I mean, I like in Florida where you keep venomous, you got to have a thousand hours for each,
00:44:28
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ah Gene of venomous like your lapids, which is your cobras everything else you have to have a thousand hours for that and With a license keeper I mean I get it. yeah It's not I mean some of these guys I watched and follow That keep these animals they put the time in and everything else And a lot of people don't want to mentor um Newer people into the field because they think
00:44:58
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they're just doing it for thrill, you know, ah likes and everything else. Some of these people, they won't, they're just getting into it just to say they did it instead of actually educating the people on the animals and stuff. So that's what im saying in the beginning, this ah above anything you could ever do that with, this is one of those things where you just, it, it's not good.
00:45:22
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It's not good, brother. yeah Yeah. To approach this type of situation like that is, the pinnacle the pinnacle of irresponsibility.
00:45:37
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Yeah. Oh yeah. With what you keep in your wolves and stuff. Zepheus. Yes. You got it. I mean, I get it. That's kind of like the regulations I have here in my state. They got down in Florida with what they're keeping and stuff, but they have an invasive list.
00:45:52
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If you're not a, A zoo-style facility in Florida, you can't keep any of the invasive animals. South Carolina's got it where they outlawed tegus.
00:46:07
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You cannot keep them because people's ruined that. They've taken over. um Just different different things. Plus, ah wherever you live, if they allow it, certain counties, certain townships, they have rules and regulations for what you can keep and everything else.
00:46:25
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Yeah, those Snand Steaks, James, they're they're neat. um Yeah, you just don't see them very often. haven't seen one of those in a while. Right. Yeah, they're the ground boas and stuff.
00:46:37
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They're pretty cool. Oh, yeah. But, yeah, it's just one of those deals that because idiots in the hobby has ruined it for for people.
00:46:48
Speaker
I mean, that's why there's these laws and yeah And some of the laws are kind of ridiculous that they've done because they're uneducated on it. So, I mean, it makes it harder.
00:47:00
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Yeah, I get trying to regulate something, but when you go to regulate something from the standpoint of not even knowing what you're regulating with the proper education to doing so, then it's not going to fix a problem.
00:47:12
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Right.
00:47:17
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i mean... Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's just... a Let alone, you got it like you were saying, you got to regulate what's inside the community, but you can only regulate so much because you have those assholes, which we call on the black martin like black market stuff. so um right I don't have a panel link, James. Sorry, buddy. I didn't set one up for tonight. I should have.
00:47:48
Speaker
But, yeah, they... But yeah, they just, it just, it ruins it. And, you know, like any law, people are going to still break them and everything else.
00:48:01
Speaker
Oh my God, Zempius, you're crazy. But yeah, they just, I mean, and there's some places they don't even allow, they don't even, they don't even allow ah people to keep ball pythons.
00:48:15
Speaker
Wow. Ball pythons, corn snakes, or nothing like that. Wow. It's just the different areas, like I said, people live in they keep They keep it up and everything else. so um Next Thursday, James, if you tune in and everything else, man, I'll set a link up and I'll have you come up here with me and Johnny and mi we can I'll have you up on the panel with me, buddy.
00:48:39
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We just stay try to stay on top it too when we're up here. Yeah. I know I've been on, I've been on Johnny's panel with you, dude. You're a good dude. So next Thursday, tune in and I'll get you up here with us.
00:48:51
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So, um, but yeah, they, uh, but yeah, it's just one of those deals. It's, it just sucks because it's years and years and years, uh, of it going on. Um, but also at the same time, some of the best, two of the best keepers I know and I follow is actually, uh,
00:49:13
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One of the, he was into the black market of bringing a lot of these reptiles that are here in our hobby now. He was bringing them in on the black market. Now he he did his time, did ah everything else. And now he's a well-known educator and everything else. And that's Tom Crutchfield.
00:49:32
Speaker
I mean, that dude, he brought a lot of the venomous snakes, the certain lizards and stuff into our hobby that, Wasn't over here in the United States at the time before they started regulating in the different countries of bringing these animals over.
00:49:48
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He used to bring them in.
00:49:52
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And I look up to him more than anything. the but
00:50:00
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James got you on this one. Pantsnake. He's. ah Yeah. ah And what do you say, James? They come in handy.
00:50:12
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yeah But yeah, they, ah but yeah, I mean, he's, he learned his lesson and he's now advocating for the hobby, just like Kevin McCurley um from nerd.
00:50:25
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Brian Barczyk was big. Yes. Some of his keeping habits back in the day and everything else wasn't the greatest. I mean, he was hated for the way he was, but he changed his ways to make the positive.
00:50:38
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So, I mean, some of these big name people um educated themselves and, you know, put their put their time and paid their dues, as they say, to make the hobby better for people like you and me that want to yes i be part of it and grow the hobby. so In the end, I see that as some form of redemption in the love for what you do.
00:51:03
Speaker
Zempheus, Johnny loves it all, man. he don Not only the one-eyed snake and the brown trouser. If Haas was in the comments... How you doing? How you doing? Sometimes.
00:51:18
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But yeah, it's back to the main thing of the whole ordeal, the hobby. It's the education part. yeah It's just... And honestly, one of the most uneducated...
00:51:30
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ah Things out there that people think are very educational is the zoos. Yeah. on a lot of the on a lot of the On a lot of the stuff, zoos are honestly, they're educated to what they're allowed to be educated because of what they're told. They're regulated to their education. They don't go in depth as much as they should like a lot of us in the hobby do. Yeah.
00:52:01
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i me it wall in nick i know I know this scenario could happen to anybody, but and it has happened before. like the Let's say a natural disaster, God forbid, hits. And they have all of those specimens, they escape. borders of Florida's ordeal, breeding facility.
00:52:21
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One of the largest breeding facilities is what caused the issue besides irresponsible people. Hurricane. See...
00:52:31
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seat that's where I see a fine line. It's like people that, of course, know their credit and they know what they're dealing with. But then again, you have something like that come along. And whether you know what you're doing or not, it's still going to muck up all of your supply, all of your everything. Oh, yeah.
00:52:46
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Yep. And it did just that. I mean, it it happened. And yes, James, I have been watching that. Welcome to Derry. It's actually pretty fucking good.
00:52:57
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It is. um Yeah, tune in Friday night on that. Maybe Michael on movie night and stuff. He talks TV shows here on our network. um Maybe we can get him to talk about that because he likes horror movies.
00:53:11
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But yeah, I mean, yeah, natural causes for Mother Nature. Sometimes you can't prepare for it. You can prepare as best as you can, but there's still going to be, like you said, that little crack that opens a big door.
00:53:24
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That right there, I've seen some of the best breeders and in and cultivators, if you will. um Because of the natural disaster, um the ecosystem of where they live is all a sudden mucked because things got out.
00:53:40
Speaker
Things are now roaming around. oh yeah. Well, and with the berms, they actually, have they can have up 100, a female can lay up to 100
00:53:52
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good Those creatures are made to breed to thrive.
00:53:59
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Only you, Zempheus. Yes, natural disasters. ah yeah That's the only way it happens, buddy. ah You are something else tonight, man. As always.
00:54:11
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I love having in in the comments, dude. short but yeah But yeah, that that that's the big thing they got to deal with with anywhere. If you got tornadoes, you got hurricanes,
00:54:23
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um how even improper electrical hookups, everything that can take the wattage for these heat lamps or heat mats and stuff. I've seen where facilities is caught on fire because electrical shit going on and they've lost everything because of some little mishap with stuff like that. So it's just one of those deals that it happens.
00:54:48
Speaker
That's understandable. You have that much wiring, let's say controlling heat ecosystem, things like that.
00:55:04
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But yeah, it's just, it's hard to, it's hard to see that and everything else. They'll get it to where they have have it properly. I mean, they've got your surge protectors for your plugs and stuff where it's overloaded.
00:55:20
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um But it just, at the same time, the you can only do so much.
00:55:28
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Yes.
00:55:33
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So, I mean, that that that's the that's the thing about the whole ordeal, is it just, you basically gotta have especially if you're a big time breeder, um, your electrical set up properly.
00:55:49
Speaker
You got to have your panels, your fuse panels set up properly. even then you can still have, have an issue of something short and out or whatever, um, and causing problems.
00:56:02
Speaker
So, so that right there, Matt, let's say mass collectors that have like, more than a couple hundred bins, even in the thousands, that they're keeping track of, all that wiring to the heating and to lighting and all of that, whatever central panel or multiple that might be going to, must have a lot of surge strength.
00:56:26
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, like for the ball python game, they have your controllers and everything else for your rack systems and everything. that you can control, you know, your settings.
00:56:40
Speaker
Actually, James, on mine, i three of the snakes I have are frozen, and one of them i have to do have to do live. So,
00:56:52
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yeah, you're funny, Zempheus. You're such a douchebag, dude. smooth like yeah Leave it to you, man.
00:57:05
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ah But, yeah, they got
00:57:11
Speaker
they can if you don't watch them. um Mine is right now one of the – he's just picky. I've tried the frozen thawed multiple times with him.
00:57:24
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And it's he's just – it's just one of those things that I have to – when it comes feeding time, I've got to feed him alive. live all the time. So, but yeah, my other three are, are tongue fed or i hold it end of the tail.
00:57:40
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I've been bit a couple of times by, by them before where they've missed and got my hand. But yeah, my other three that I have, I can feed frozen thawed. So, but yeah, you just don't, when you feed live, you just stay right there and watch and keep an eye on them.
00:57:57
Speaker
So something doesn't happen, but yes, it can happen. There is people that just, oh, I'm going to throw a live in with my snake and stuff and wait until tomorrow if you don't eat it right then and there. And then they come back and they wonder why their snakes got chunks chewed out of them. So um three out of the four snakes I feed every three to four, once every three to four weeks.
00:58:22
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um And my littlest one is twice a month. So. That's how often I feed mine because I have three adults and then I have one that's, he's only two years old now and he's still, he's still on the ah twice a week, twice a month schedule. So here soon he'll be getting cut back to the once, ah once every three weeks.
00:58:49
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And then I wait, Up to 72 hours before handling them and everything else gives them time to digest it and everything else. So we don't mess with them and for three days after we feed them.
00:59:00
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just Just miss the cages down and fill the water dishes and spot clean.
00:59:08
Speaker
see then you don did Then you got the beardies you feed regularly. Him, the iguanas. ah My iguana have, my leopard gecko, toque. It's a daily...
00:59:20
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daily feeding and daily cleaning. So did you ever experience a problem woly where you tried to feed them or i don't of course know that your method for feeding them. If you like set the food in there and let's say a cap or something in the, what their food, like the grubs or whatever such would actually bite them would bite your lizards.
00:59:43
Speaker
I've actually had it where once with the, uh, with one of the, uh, yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you tomorrow. but Not the grub worms. It's the other ones. Wax worms?
00:59:57
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Yes. Not the wax worms. It's the bluish ones. I can't remember the name of them right at the moment. and I know what you're talking about, too. But I did have that incident once with one of my beardies. It actually got itself halfway on and stuck itself and started biting at the tip of his of his nose and everything else and scarred the nose. He's got a small scar, but it's gone now from shed and everything else. I
01:00:27
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i i used to have to be really careful with ah with those, like literally feet on contact, not let the thing crawl around like a dish lid or nothing like that. Because every time I would even put it inside of a dish lid, yeah, my gecko's got ate up.
01:00:43
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They got bit up pretty bad. So I used to always have. Yeah. I haven't had issues with other than doing. Oh, it's the hornworms. That's what they are. They're the hornworms.
01:00:54
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um Like with mealworms and stuff like that. And the, you know, and the by roaches, I haven't had an issue, but that's the only time ever with a hornworm that I've put it in a dish and let it go. Now I make sure I tongue feed when I do the, the, the hornworms. So I don't have that issue.
01:01:12
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But mealworms and stuff like that, I put it in that escape dish for him. And that explains why Zempheus is the way he is tonight. He got into the bottle.
01:01:24
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but Oh, shit. he's He's chilling tonight and enjoying himself. That's Zempheus, I know. But, yeah, that's the that's what I use for them and everything else is on when I feed them. um Now, my toke, he's kind of a mixture of your insects and I feed them ah ah every now and then a pinky mouse frozen, unthawed frozen pinky for his, to get his protein and every the meat and everything else for them because they do eat other lizards and stuff in the wild. So I'll occasionally, occasionally give him a pinky mouse, but normally it's crickets and mealworms for him and stuff. So. Yeah.
01:02:07
Speaker
Wally, I'll be honest. I almost got a 2K, but then I backed off when I learned how, um let's say, how ornery they can be. Nivosa said, I don't really handle him. That's pretty much my wife's lizard.
01:02:22
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is She, a lotta lot of hard work with gloves and everything else, biting the gloves and everything, and now she can get him out barehanded and stuff, and he's he's pretty well handleable, so. Nice.
01:02:36
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Just took a little bit. Yep. oh that's i mean That's what that's what any any of them. I mean, it don't matter what it is. You got to work with them. um that night That and I just got a message from one of the guys I used to work with.
01:02:55
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I actually got to meet up with him sometime tomorrow. I'm getting another bearded dragon. Nice. Man, I love beardies.
01:03:09
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nice so yeah he just asked me if i'd be interested with everything so
01:03:20
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but yeah so so the collection is getting bigger and everything else uh-oh your sister's dog's coming to see you but yeah well
01:03:30
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but yeah
01:03:34
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So, yeah, I mean, that's and i mean that's you got the anything. You've got to watch. You've got to work with them. um It's like to the younger snake I got and everything else. I've got to work with him more because he's very strikey, likes to strike defensively. um They're not aggressive. Any of the animals are not aggressive. It's just a defense mechanism.
01:03:56
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And sometimes, depending on the animal, those defense defense mechanisms can get you stitches and staples or lose fingers. Oh, yeah. but Oh, yeah. but i't know There was one such case I saw where the dude had a constrictor, and and it had some sort of feeding response and latched out of the dude's arm and just immediately started to coil onto his arm while it was bit into him.
01:04:25
Speaker
Well, that's like the lady that they had. There's a video going around on her Burmese python. She knew it was feeding day, everything else. And she went viral for fucking with the snake on feeding day with no feed or anything else. And it got a hold of her and shit and everything else because she was being irresponsible. So, but yeah, it's just any of the any animal. I mean, like with puppies, it don't matter.
01:04:53
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um Reptiles are more more time consuming to get them to be where they're handleable, friendly. Yeah. And it's slow times with them to make them trust you.
01:05:08
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It's a trust thing. Yes. It's a very specific way their instincts work. oh especially when you're in the lizard community with monitors, tegus. Oh, yeah.
01:05:21
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They're very intelligent animals. Yeah. You when they're young, they're so used to they're in, they're in defense mode, no matter what. I mean, they're going to bite, they're going to tail whip. They're going to call the fuck out of you.
01:05:36
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That's where you have to not force the situation to trust. You take your times. Yes, it sucks. But I learned with when I had my take you, when he was alive before he passed away from whatever he had,
01:05:52
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um My wife working with him, sticking her hand down in where he sensed your hand yeah every other day. um Gloves, picking them up, letting them run on the floor and shit, and just working with them, letting them move in your hands.
01:06:07
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But you've got to be able to do that on a daily basis. and it's As a Linus, one of like I said, my idol, Tom Crutchfield and stuff, dude.
01:06:20
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The keep, the keep, the cap and the keeper become one with when there's trust built up between them. And he keeps, they keep croc monitors, dude. The second largest monitor on the planet behind a Komodo dragon. Oh man. So, oh man. So, I mean, he's, he's had it where he's had chunks, him and his wife.
01:06:44
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ah from being bit and everything else. It's not the animal's fault. It's the people because they're either rushing the situation and not taking the time to earn that animal's trust.
01:06:58
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It's all try on error. it's ah It's a patience game is basically what it is. it's it It's that point of humility where let's say we we stop blaming nature for what it's ah intended to do if you will.
01:07:14
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It's one of those things like we talked when I first had you up here when we did the animal movies. Movies like Anaconda, man, Hollywood. It's just the news and Hollywood and other people, their fears and stuff, it's all taught.
01:07:35
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It's not self-inflicted like me or you. We've had to learn this stuff. Just like hate's not Natural. It's hot.
01:07:48
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Same with animals. Oh, I don't like that. I don't like snakes because so-and-so doesn't like snakes or because I've seen it on TV. I've seen this happen, blah, blah, blah.
01:08:00
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You have to overcome your fears. thanks yeah But that comes back to the education part that me, you and Shaman, Zempheus and everybody that's brought it up,
01:08:12
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If you're not properly educated, you're going to fear what you don't understand. Well, there's, a how do I say? There's the motive of of this happened to make, let's say the hate arise, but then you ask one layer deeper and be like, no, but why, why do you feel that need for that hatred though?
01:08:35
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There's what happened to make it arise, but why do you feel the need for it still? Yeah, I mean, it's just one of those deals that it's it's one of those things, man. You can only do so much with it and everything else that if the people aren't willing to learn and take the time to understand what they have, I mean, I've got in-laws. They hate them just because they don't want to understand them.
01:09:00
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so um Excuse me. that That's exactly what I mean. Exactly. You almost have to look at it and be like, do you really know why you why you don't like the field?
01:09:13
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and there' And there's people that I've asked that question. Oh, you got those. I don't like them. Why? all just cause And their answer is always just because I don't. They can't give you they can't give you this legitimate reason why Or some of them be like, well, because my grandma or my mom and dad said they had this experience as a kid where this snake chased me across the yard.
01:09:40
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Dude, I'm going to be the first one to tell you right here now. I don't give a fuck unless it's a dog, a rabid dog or a stray dog or anything else like that. They're more than likely going to run away from you than come at you.
01:09:54
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The only way... A snake's going to bite you or do anything to you as if you fuck with it. They would rather, they were rather any any reptile would rather get away from you than worry about fucking chasing you down the road.
01:10:12
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Because you always hear that, oh, that copperhead or water moccasin chased me. No, actually it was trying to get away from you, you idiot. i've never The only time I've ever seen anything attack anybody is when they've messed with it.
01:10:26
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It's never been been one of those deals that, oh um'm oh, you walked in front of me. I'm going to attack you. No, it's a defense mechanism. They're either going to, A, protect themselves because you you won't leave them alone, or they'd rather just scurry off and get the hell away from you.
01:10:44
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Well, for very instance, ah one of the places I lived at, we had to remove nests upon nests. I mean, the whole property was almost infested with water moccasins. Yeah.
01:10:55
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And Copperheads, I remember you telling me about this. Yes. the the ah One of them, damn near what led to my dog ah taking last breaths.
01:11:06
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I mean, if dan they got bit, they would have still had years left. Right. Well, and then and like I told you on that situation, I mean, hey I get it. dogs Dogs see something.
01:11:18
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Mine's dumbasses are the same way. It's like them fucking with cats or anything like that or skunks. I've had my dog where he's been sprayed by a skeleton. He'll still chase the damn things.
01:11:29
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It's like, you dumbass. You know, it's part of the, it's part of the, in their mentality too. But at the same time, your situation with your dog, it's a defense mechanism. It's protecting you because it's sensed a threat.
01:11:44
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And that's what happens with a lot of the, the snake bites and shit like that within within the, the dog communities. It's a, they see it. And, You see it happen. Rattlesnake bites, copperhead bites.
01:11:58
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Some animals take to it. They can take to it a certain way. Some of them don't. And it just depends. But like with a rattlesnake and stuff, yes, you're going to have that. Copperhead, not so much or a water moccasin unless the animal had like even including us.
01:12:17
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If you're allergic to bees, you don't want to get bit by a water moccasin or a copperhead. because it's an allergic reaction that can kill you because they're basically their venom is like a bee sting.
01:12:31
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Isn't that part of the whole anaphylactic reaction? Yes.
01:12:38
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Yes, unfortunately. And I mean, I've seen it in one of my idols because he built up such an allergic reaction to venom. Dingle Dingleman, he was out of South Africa.
01:12:50
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He kept black mambas, green mambas, king cobras, death adders. He got bit by a black mama, but because he had such allergic reaction from the dried venom, breathing it into his system, everything else, when he's cleaning their cages, he built up an allergic reaction to it, and anti-venom didn't save him.
01:13:13
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It ended up actually taking his life. And he was, ah and he was another ah conservative, uh, pushing for proper keeping in the hobby, everything else. So, and educating people to get over their fears of the animals and everything else. I mean, he kept reptiles, he kept crocs.
01:13:32
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Um, but he was always educating people. And unfortunately it His passion for for the hobby had ended up catching him, man, because of because he built that allergic reaction up, and it and it can happen. people don't realize People don't realize keeping these venomous and stuff, cleaning the glass, that that venom becomes a dried powder on your on your glass.
01:14:00
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yeah So when you're cleaning it, and if you don't, you know, over time, it eventually gets into your system where it causes causes where you're allergic to it and could cost you your life.
01:14:12
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yeah i I think I've seen case like that with the bedding cobras. Somebody was doing, i don't know whether it was handling or training on one, it was out of the cage, and they had a whole like smock shield up in front them so that whenever the thing would do its thing, it didn't hit them, but it hit the smock.
01:14:33
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But yeah, it's just one the guys that I watch got spinning covers. They wear those full plastic face shields. And i mean, they've been covered, but they got to hurry up and clean it before that stuff dries because venom turns into a powder.
01:14:47
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and and And it's such a fine powder. You think you got it cleaned up and everything else, and actually you're just like dust. it just You eventually breathe it into your system, and your body starts, either it either gets immune to it or causes the the opposite, where you have allergic reactions to it.
01:15:08
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Here's the thing. People are worried about it, of course, getting into your your organs, right? Yeah. And to know that the very skin that we have on wrapping around our body, it's one of the biggest organs that we have.
01:15:21
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Oh,
01:15:24
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oh yeah. But, yeah, I mean, that's the thing is with the with the keeping. I mean, um you can never stress it enough. It's the education. You have to be educated.
01:15:36
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You're not going to learn shit overnight. You don't learn nothing overnight. You don't learn to walk overnight. You don't learn to talk overnight. You don't learn, you know, and that's just anything. it's It's part of life.
01:15:48
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I think I've heard some of the best people in this field say that, you know what, even with the years behind me that I have, i still could be my day any day. Yep. Especially with the venomous keepers.
01:16:00
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Those guys, they're, they're playing Russian roulette 24 seven. yeah mean, I've, I've seen the, I've, I follow some of the best, best in the hobby and,
01:16:13
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they they've come close to, a couple of them's come close to losing their lives, and unfortunately, one of them did lose his life over it, but it never stopped them. So, it's just, it's they' that's true love for what they do, their passion.
01:16:30
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And if you see not even deep enough for these people, just at first glance, they're the way they carry themselves and even their attitude, it exudes... I don't want to say hyperness because that's not the right word, but they are enthused about what the fuck they're doing. They are right on top of what they're doing.
01:16:45
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And one of the ones that is big like that and everybody thinks he's an idiot, I mean, Chandler's Wildlife. Yeah. He he is so upbeat, even though he did end up losing his finger from when he was in over in Indonesia because he did get bit by an Indonesian cobra when he was over in the field. So he lost a finger, um but he still shows the enthusiasm.
01:17:07
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um Sometimes, in my opinion, it's kind of overkill the way he acts with it. But at the same time, he's educating people. He's making it fun where you're actually learning besides him acting like a dumbass, you know, to an extent. Well, see, that's what I mean. that To me, there's a – they might look similar the next eye, but a very strong difference between really hyped up and not knowing what you're doing versus – aware and on edge because you know exactly what you're doing with how dangerous what you're handling this oh yeah because he's got some of the most deadliest venomous snakes in his collection in the world he actually in his collection has all the top 10 deadliest venomous snakes in the world in his collection that he educates people with he's got the top 10 and they're all from australia oh wow
01:18:01
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see he's go He's got the brown snake, collette snake, inland taipan, um the west coast inland taipan. I mean, he's got, like I said, he has the most venomous snakes, and but he educates people because it's his passion for that.
01:18:19
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See, yeah, you're working with something that mortality rate is damn near 100.
01:18:26
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Yeah, I mean, there's still... um some of these Some of these snakes, they've never been able to make an anti-venom for. yeah Because they've they've tried and there's nothing that can ah can do anything. i mean, it's just one of those deals. And some of these, as he calls it, the cocktails of these venoms, um they tack some of them attack every point of your body, your nervous system, your skin. There's yeah some of them as soon as it bites you, once it kicks in, your skin looks like it's melting off your hand off your bones.
01:19:04
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Yeah. it neuro Neurological. It shuts your brain down, shuts your nervous system down. um And some of these snakes he's got has a toxin that does it all.
01:19:17
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It'll melt your skin, shut your brain down, shut your nervous system down, shut your heart down within matter of minutes. Dude. All I can say is is some of the people like him working with stuff like this, I can only imagine what what's going on with the goose turning up here on a daily basis.
01:19:36
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Like you said, learning how to survive and handle it. But it's year, and he's in it he's not much older than you. i think he just, next year he turns 30, but he's been doing this stuff since he was a kid.
01:19:51
Speaker
So, I mean. In no way say that as an insult either. Oh, no. I actually very much wonder. yeah that Yeah. Some of em you some of them you you sit back and look and it's like, dude, has he even got any screws tightened up in his head? Right. For messing with what he messes with?
01:20:08
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Right. but But at the same time, I've learned a lot about these about these animals that I never knew that you could get from watching and Discovery Channel because they they don't really...
01:20:23
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go in depth and everything else like he does, like Tyler Nolan does, like Tom Crutchfield, Brian Barczyk. I mean, there's, ah I could go on Kevin McCurley. I mean, there's a list of them. Everything that they do is their love for the hobby. And they just, the education is undeniable, man. and And it just keeps going and going, but it's just, it's their passion and the venomous side of things. It's just,
01:20:52
Speaker
That's just a different game. That right there in the reptile hobby is not basically dick measuring contest, but it's just the... Like you said, what's going on up here for the make them decide, besides the love of those animals, what makes them want to live on the edge daily?
01:21:12
Speaker
Right. so Right. And well, like you were just saying about Tom Crutchfield, right? I... I'm not saying – how long has the guy been doing what he does?
01:21:26
Speaker
Going on almost 40 years. I was going to say, I'm not saying the guy looks old, but the fact that he's got all whites speaks for speaks for his hobby, speaks for how long he's come in this hobby.
01:21:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah. but the statistics Wes, on that one, they still have not decided on that purple ball line yet. Laurie still has not released it They're still, she's still leaving everybody hanging on that.
01:21:54
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But yeah, he's, like I said, he's done his prison time. He's done this. And now he's on the educational side of it. um He's introduced a hobby to one of the rarest ah vipers out there, the Mengsheng, which is found in the mountains of China.
01:22:13
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He's one of the originators that brought that Mengsheng and learned how to breed them and keep them in captivity. Gorgeous, gorgeous snake. No anti-venom.
01:22:25
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Yeah. So, and and those things get 10, 12 foot long. He's got a breeding pair right now that's almost 11. The male's 10 foot and the female's almost 12 foot that he keeps.
01:22:38
Speaker
Oh my God. Yeah. But yeah, he's introduced, like I said, he's introduced a lot of, Unique animals into our hobby over that time frame that he's been alive and in the hobby.
01:22:54
Speaker
What's up, lazy? oh the green tree pythons and the Amazon boas, man. Those West are gorgeous snakes. There are people. There is people that do handle those. Those style snakes are basically.
01:23:11
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um My opinion, display animals. they're They're awesome to look at. They're great for making a natural habitat for them to look at and watch because they' they're they're just' you're so gorgeous.
01:23:28
Speaker
Are we talking about the green tree viper? No. but The pythons and the boats. Oh, yeah, yeah. The ones that's got in the boa family, they're their teeth are as about as long as a gaboon viper's fang. But they got rows of them because they, of course, like live in the trees and stuff and catch birds and shit. so Beautiful animal.
01:23:52
Speaker
And there's breeders here in the States, man, that are making them with blues, with pinks in them now. i mean, they're fucking gorgeous snakes. Beautiful. I would never handle one just because of i'm afraid of the bite because I've seen where they've bit because those there's teeth are hook-like style. So to hold their prey, they get stuck in there. They'll break off in your hands and shit, and they're hard to get out. And I've seen videos where it's happened.
01:24:23
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They got, like, Two set zones, don't they? One on the outside one the inside? Yep, so they can hold birds when they fly by. Oh, yeah. the And the thing is, those things eat like macaws and cockatoos in the Amazon and shit.
01:24:37
Speaker
So they're not... And, so they're there're and but you know, those are some big-ass birds in the pet trade. But they eat that shit in and in the wild.
01:24:47
Speaker
it's So, I mean, it's cool as hell. They're gorgeous. Yeah. The Amazon tree boa. Those snakes are freaking amazing. So, I mean, it's to see them.
01:25:00
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They're becoming popular in the trap page. They actually have now, going back to your morph thing at the beginning of the show, they have albinos in those now.
01:25:12
Speaker
Oh, yeah, dude. Yep. And one of them looks like. One of the guys I follow actually has it now where one looks like a candy cane.
01:25:25
Speaker
Oh. He used to work for Kevin McCurley at Nerd. It's called Brass Man. And he specializes in your Amazon... in the rainbow boas and stuff, Amazon boas. And he's got one that's... you got to look it up. Looks like a candy cane. It's blood... blood red and white.
01:25:43
Speaker
They're fucking amazing. But yeah, it's just... There's so many species out there that's not in the hobby or they're protected. They can't be in the hobby no more because people haven't been able to breed them or have tried to breed them and haven't had success to make them grow in the hobby.
01:26:07
Speaker
So it makes it harder. Like you when you see a lot of these guys travel overseas and they find snakes that aren't in the hobby because they're they're no longer in the pet trade other than the black market. And, uh, you don't know how to set it up in the way their breathing patterns are to make it where it's available in the hobby.
01:26:26
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So, yeah.
01:26:32
Speaker
And there's a guy that, uh, makes dwarf retics. He's, his, his name is, it's, uh, Reach out reptiles. He's learned the dwarf retics. They get maybe 10 foot, 11 foot now instead of your usual 22 foot, 23 foot long.
01:26:52
Speaker
And they're not as girthy as an actual full so regular retic. Oh, so I mean, there's they're they're getting it to where they're trying to make it, but they still get big. The upkeep still still there for and the feeding.
01:27:10
Speaker
You get into the big snakes, man. You got to have deep pockets for the rabbits, small pigs, shit like that. You know, it's just, you know, I mean, the, the feed bill is insane.
01:27:25
Speaker
So yeah. Oh yeah. Let's just say you, you miss some feeding schedules. That's of course an irresponsible thing to do. The thing's going to be looking at your dog. Yeah.
01:27:38
Speaker
Oh, yeah, the hognose snakes is actually right now one of the hottest snakes in the hobby, Wes. Sand boas is starting to become popular. Yeah, they're getting really big.
01:27:48
Speaker
But, yeah, the hognose snakes, man, they've come a long, long way. And the good thing of it is they're naturally found eastern and western hognoses most of the places. is Hey, what's up, Hoss?
01:28:03
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post but everybody There's certain snakes that are getting getting, like you said, Wes, really heavy into the the trade that they're becoming popular now.
01:28:13
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um The ball python game is so oversaturated right now. and I'll be honest, and this is my opinion. Anybody can take it how it is.
01:28:24
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There's so many ball python breeders now that it's hard to... hard to touch that market right now. I mean, people are damn near selling them for next to nothing unless you get into the real big high ends with like always evolving Python, mutation creation,
01:28:44
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um Canova, Brian's line when he's alive that they still work on. I mean, if you're not getting into like top tier, big dollar, we're talking double digit, triple digit genes where there's multiples
Reticulated Pythons and Natural Habitats
01:28:59
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in them and stuff. So,
01:29:02
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um Retick's the same way, Wes. They're not nearly... they're not nearly as They're popular, but a lot of people aren't keeping them.
01:29:15
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so Sorry, my dog's being a dork. No worries, brother. They don't keep them as much because of... What's up, Britt? Keep them because of the size.
01:29:28
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The area you've got to keep them. that is That's the biggest biggest issue when you get into big snakes is the space you've got to have for those big snakes.
01:29:39
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yeah Retix are notorious. I've seen actually in the wild, one of the guys I follow. um A lot of people say they're ground dwelling.
01:29:49
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This guy has actually proved in the wild they are semi-aborial snakes, which they will go in the trees. He has found them in the trees. um It's called David's Feed.
01:30:01
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He goes over to Indonesia and everything else. so
01:30:07
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Well, you are a whale penis.
01:30:12
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particular situation But no, he found them where they were actually in trees. Not let alone only on the ground, but he found them in the trees too.
01:30:23
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So when you do a setup for them, you kind of give them the branches where they can... be also on up off the ground you i've seen people do like the the the vertical terrariums right yep uh i've also seen people go full-on frankenstein and have a horizontal with a vertical on the end actually i have that set up that way for one of my ball pythons and i Actually cross and everything. right So, I mean, and it's just one of those deals, but it's interesting what you can learn when you look, like you said, back to educating yourself, watching some of these people that actually go to the wild and find these animals in the wild in their actual natural habitat.
01:31:14
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Ball pythons. Dave Kaufman, reptile adventures that I follow, actually did a two and a half hour movie on ball pythons. They actually hide in ant mounds and stuff in Africa.
01:31:27
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Oh, wow.
01:31:31
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Well, Wes, if you need anything, let me know and I'll point you to the direction where you get some, really get into the proper people to get a hold of when you're ready to get get back into it, heavy man. it don't Just let me know what you want and I'll i'll point you the direction, dude.
01:31:47
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But yeah, it's just, it's cool. He's actually went and found these animals in the wild and did stuff, so.
01:31:55
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Yeah, I bet you you do I'm sure you do on that one. You poor girl. What up, Rick? that But yeah, I mean, it's cool when you get get to find YouTubers that do that stuff.
01:32:08
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Yeah. i oh He keeps ball pythons. he keeps Dave keeps but what bull snakes which are and gopher snakes, which are common where he lives in Minnesota and and goes in Wisconsin and stuff.
01:32:22
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so um So, I mean, it's it's pretty cool, but he also goes and finds finds these things in the in the wild. So, I mean, it's neat. okay the a I miss that. there There was a time where i was I was a little bit out and about like that until once again i learned when I was down in North Carolina way.
01:32:48
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ah that wasn't so much a wicked good idea going out going out in the woods with ah with the stuff that was crawling around down there. okay My thing is, is when you do stuff like that after being educated, make sure you got a good snake hook with you and always wear boots.
01:33:06
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I know some of these idiots go out in their tennis shoes, shit like that, but they always come prepared with snake boots, the hand gripplers they got for snakes and stuff.
01:33:17
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So, I mean, they're prepared. and i I had my close call with that. I was rubbing it around down there and then in the leafage and stuff. and I heard something actually sprickering through the the leaves. and I looked and I saw the tail of it. but Once again, I'm pretty sure it was one of the one of the moccasins.
01:33:39
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well they're Down there in North Carolina, copperheads are big. they're They are very big. um Copperheads actually smell like cucumbers. Yep.
01:33:51
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But they will also, too, they're like rattlesnakes. If they're in leaves, most of the time they'll take their tail and rustle the leaves and you'll hear the rustling. But most of the time, you don't normally see them unless you flip over tin or some type of debris or it actually happens to stumble them, too.
Popularity Trends in Reptile Keeping
01:34:13
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Right. a Bearded Dragons, Wes, they're... They're still kind of big. um It's kind of a hit and miss with them as much as it used to be.
01:34:25
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They're not nearly as popular as like the ball Python game right now. There's still a market for it and and stuff and all the different morse of those. But yeah, it's it's still there, but it's not as big as it used to be.
01:34:40
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Right now, it's just the everything's kind of take a slow, slowed down. Not yet. turned for the worse. It just slowed down. COVID slowed down a lot of stuff.
01:34:51
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Oh, indeed. let alone venator oh yeah Let alone the prices on things and everything. But it's just one of those deals. it It's hit and miss.
01:35:04
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For sure.
01:35:08
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but You got anything else you want to add, Johnny? I'm ah
01:35:16
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um I covered a lot. Yeah.
01:35:22
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01:35:23
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