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Rose Plate Special: Bachelorette Jenn - Episode 2
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We're off to Australia! I'm going to be honest, the best part about this episode is when we start to unravel, in real time, the manufactured nature of one of the contestants. Is anything about him real? Find out more by listening and watching!
We also talk about this great Screenrant article. Give it a read for greater insight on our revelation.
Sammi's TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@sammiditto
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Roseplate Special'
00:00:17
popculturediner
Hello, I'm Sammy.
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:21
popculturediner
And you're listening to Roseplate Special, the most dramatic ah ice cream momentingist, pearl wearingist, um library dinneringist recap podcast of The Bachelorette ever.
00:00:38
Steve
Ever!
Sammy Misses Episode Start
00:00:39
popculturediner
And I actually just realized I meant to do this before we started recording. I totally did not watch the first 15 minutes of this week's episode, because I caught it live.
00:00:49
Steve
Oh wow.
00:00:49
popculturediner
And I was like downstairs, and I was like, I'm going to just finish eating down here, and then I'm going to go upstairs. And then I started the TV, because we only have one antenna in our... Well, yeah, we have one antenna in our house. And we can't get it on our big TV. So I'm like, I came up here and watch it in here. And I was like, why is everybody getting mad about ice cream? I thought like I had missed an hour of programming. When I, when I jumped in, I was like, what what happened?
Ice Cream vs. Gelato Mix-Up
00:01:17
popculturediner
So I'm so sorry, but you're going to have to guide us through like the first about 15 minutes of the episode.
00:01:22
Steve
ah
00:01:24
popculturediner
That's my bad.
00:01:24
Steve
First of all, ma'am, I believe it was gelato, not ice cream, big difference.
00:01:27
popculturediner
Oh, well, they were oh i they were talking about ice cream, so it's not my fault, but it was actually gelato.
00:01:28
Steve
ah
00:01:33
popculturediner
That makes sense. um But yeah.
00:01:35
Steve
i don't I don't even know, I think it was gelato, it could have it whatever. um So you didn't miss much. Here's here's how it went down.
00:01:44
popculturediner
OK.
00:01:44
Steve
so We all know night one, you're basically up for like 24 hours, right? Like you're up all night till the sun comes up.
00:01:49
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:01:52
Steve
And what's the best thing to do after you've been up for that long?
00:01:57
popculturediner
Travel to Australia.
00:01:58
Steve
Travel to Australia.
00:01:59
popculturediner
That seems like the best thing that I would do with my time if I were them.
00:01:59
Steve
so
00:02:03
Steve
I would have an absolute mental breakdown. And ah yeah, i'm I'm sure a few of them did.
00:02:07
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:02:10
Steve
So they hopped on a plane, they flew for what, like 16 hours probably, 12 hours?
00:02:14
popculturediner
Yeah, it's got to be at least 16, right?
00:02:15
Steve
I don't know how long it takes, a while.
00:02:18
popculturediner
Yeah, I don't even know.
00:02:18
Steve
Yeah, it's a while, it's a world away.
00:02:20
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:02:20
Steve
They get to Australia. And
Group Date in Australia Highlights
00:02:23
Steve
then we have our little cutesy group date.
00:02:25
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:02:25
Steve
Now, A cutesy group date is we're going to shop and we're going to eat and we're going to have some fun because that's what you do in Australia.
00:02:34
popculturediner
Yeah, sure.
00:02:34
Steve
Okay. And this is where we get the setup for the trajectory of the entire episode, which is fake Pete Davidson, kind of a dick.
00:02:43
popculturediner
Yes. See, yeah, we Yeah, I I have a lot of thoughts about this, but I missed the ice cream moment. So I feel like I can't fully weigh in on that. um But I apologize, everybody.
00:02:59
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:03:00
popculturediner
I've just been really distracted by food. um Before this episode, ah we before we started recording, I was like, I got to make mac and cheese really fast. And I made it in like 20 minutes.
00:03:10
Steve
It's impressive.
00:03:10
popculturediner
I mean, it's in the oven right now, but I like put it together in 20 minutes. And you had asked me before we started recording and I'm like, we'll save it for for the podcast. Because obviously the people want to know.
00:03:20
Steve
People want to know.
00:03:20
popculturediner
um Yeah, I don't I don't do cow dairy, but I eat sheep and goat dairy.
00:03:27
Steve
Oh, cute.
00:03:28
popculturediner
So, yeah, so I had I put Gouda goat Gouda and sheep blue cheese and then like a fresh goat cheese in there.
00:03:36
Steve
Ooh, ooh, tangy and fun.
00:03:39
popculturediner
I think it's gonna be a really nice mix. And then I put like, like an herb mix in there.
Devin's Controversial Actions: Villain or Just Competitive?
00:03:44
Steve
Very cool.
00:03:45
popculturediner
Yeah, so it's in the oven. So like, when we're done recording, I'll get to enjoy it.
00:03:49
Steve
Excellent.
00:03:50
popculturediner
So yeah, so anyway, I've been thwarted by food and The Bachelorette twice, and then all the men got thwarted by food because, you know, so so what was it? So Devin, did he like pull her aside and say, like, let's eat ice cream together.
00:04:01
Steve
Yeah.
00:04:02
popculturediner
And that's what people are mad about.
00:04:02
Steve
Yeah. He literally like, like scooped her up, took her away.
00:04:06
popculturediner
like ice cream.
00:04:07
Steve
Yeah. Took her away from the, yeah, exactly. Much like ice cream at, at your local Baskin Robbins.
00:04:09
popculturediner
Yes, scooped like ice cream.
00:04:13
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:04:14
Steve
Uh, yeah, he, he scooped her up, took her away, got ice cream. Uh, but his whole thing is, and someone actually, and I can't for the life of me remember who said this in their little confessional moment, but later in the episode after all this continues to develop someone goes you know Devin's not wrong he's just kind of an asshole and that's exactly right because this is a competition and it is a competition where you are fighting for time with 20 other dudes
00:04:36
popculturediner
Yeah. Yes.
00:04:48
Steve
25 other dudes, and you do everything you can to make your little moments. And you're not there for the other guys, even though we we love our bromances and we love our, you know, our friendships that develop.
00:04:58
popculturediner
Yes. Love them.
00:05:01
Steve
ah you You're there to win. You're there to win the heart of the woman, and in this case, Jen. So Devin is doing what he's here to do, but, but He is a colossal dick. And this is the line that you have to walk in The Bachelor because if you establish yourself as a villain, as Devin has done, ah you're gonna have the other guys watching every move you make and thinking that it's some calculated thing.
00:05:24
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:32
Steve
And they'll start saying, it's already been said that he's here for the, what everybody?
00:05:37
popculturediner
Wrong reasons. Yeah.
00:05:39
Steve
There we go, which is silly.
00:05:40
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:05:41
Steve
ah He's here for the wrong reasons means I don't like him. Like what's what's the wrong reason? He wants, yeah, he's deeply invested in her.
00:05:47
popculturediner
Right. He's obviously doing it for the right reasons. I mean, he's being very like he's pursuing her in a very focused way. So I think he's the last person you could accuse of like doing things for the wrong reasons.
00:05:56
Steve
who
00:06:02
Steve
Yes, exactly.
00:06:02
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:03
Steve
Now, you also, like I said, you gotta maintain a balance here. So you wanna take those moments, but you can't cause too much chaos because if you are seen as an agent of chaos, or if you are labeled a villain by the other men in the house, they're gonna come for you.
00:06:14
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:06:23
popculturediner
Right.
00:06:23
Steve
And unfortunately for Fake Pete Davidson, he is 100% chaotic, like total, total chaos.
00:06:29
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:32
Steve
I don't think he's a conniving villain in the traditional sense. He is naturally just a dickhead though. So he's a dick and he's chaotic.
00:06:41
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:44
Steve
And when you have a chaotic dickhead in the house, it's it's just a whirlwind. So ah it will be interesting because no one is doing a particularly good job of standing up to him right now or trying to figure out a way to work around his shenanigans.
00:06:56
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:06:59
Steve
ah But that's where we're at. So yeah, you missed Devon time and a little bit of ice cream.
00:07:01
popculturediner
Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's what I figured. But like the way that the men were talking about it, I was like, was there like a whole date that he took her on? It sounded like they left for hours. like That was the impression I had. And I was like, It was only like 11 minutes, maybe fifteen like 15 at the most, but I was not downstairs for that long. And usually it's just like the word traveling and it's a montage and then we're here.
00:07:30
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:07:30
popculturediner
And so I figured I'd come upstairs and they'd go, we're in Australia.
00:07:34
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:07:35
popculturediner
And then it was like, fuck David. And I was like, what happened? I miss something big. So I will catch up on it. And, you know, if I have additional thoughts next week, I will share them. Um, okay.
00:07:47
Steve
Also, I i should mention, too, that did you did you get to the point with with the stand up comedy because that was weird.
00:07:47
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:07:53
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:54
Steve
OK, yeah, that was just that was real cringy, but, you know,
00:07:55
popculturediner
Yeah. That was weird because there was like not a lot of preamble.
Awkward Stand-Up Comedy Date
00:07:59
popculturediner
It was just kind of like we we jumped into things.
00:08:00
Steve
No.
00:08:03
Steve
Yeah, hello, I'm a comedian in a red suit.
00:08:03
popculturediner
And that was another thing.
00:08:05
Steve
You have exactly 30 seconds to write a tight five. Get up there.
00:08:09
popculturediner
Yeah, it was really weird. And then and then Devin was just like, Oh, like, well, you guys all like each other so much. Why don't you like start kissing and stuff, you know?
00:08:17
Steve
Yeah, I should do kishish.
00:08:17
popculturediner
And and then everyone else was like, hey, Devin sucks. And that was and that day. And I was like, well, that seems like a fun group day.
00:08:24
Steve
Yeah.
00:08:25
popculturediner
ah Yeah.
00:08:25
Steve
It's, it's unfortunate that none of these men are funny or clever because yeah, it's like, what? Uh, Devin sucks so much. Uh, we should call him Hoover your vacuum.
00:08:35
popculturediner
Yeah. What a what a loser. um Yeah, he's so full of shit. um Yeah.
00:08:41
Steve
Call him toilet full of shit.
00:08:42
popculturediner
Yeah, and it's like, wow, that's really interesting. Oh, my animal crossing notification is going up again.
00:08:46
Steve
That's good. You got to turn off your Tomagotchi lady.
00:08:47
popculturediner
I am so unprofessional.
00:08:48
Steve
Come on.
00:08:50
popculturediner
um So yeah, I mean, I always say this, I feel like I've said this a bunch of times, that I think the golden standard of um appropriate pulling people aside to me is always going to be Tayshia because I think she did it like in the smartest way ever when she was on The Bachelor. She just she's so likable. You can't get mad at her. And she was obviously like friends with people in the house. So it wasn't like, you know, she was being a dick, but she she found ah her moment and she was just like, hey, come on, let's just go on this adventure really quick.
00:09:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:09:22
popculturediner
Just like, don't worry about anything else. Let's go. And nobody was mad afterwards. Like nobody there was no drama about it afterwards. And I'm like, I don't know. She did it artfully. So um there is a way to do it. But yeah, and and it's not like.
00:09:34
Steve
Yeah.
00:09:37
popculturediner
You know, I guess what my question was is, is this going to be like a Maria situation or is or people not going to ever warm up to him? ah You know what I mean?
00:09:47
Steve
I don't think people warm up to him. The difference is is like, ah there's two things. One, the producers are salivating over Devin because they see him as an agent of chaos and they are like, he is a flame and they are just tossing gasoline on him.
00:09:57
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:10:05
Steve
all the way to the point where they're having the cocktail party later and Devin rolls in with a bowl of ice cream on a little cart. Like, where'd he get that from?
00:10:11
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:10:12
Steve
I wonder how that happened.
00:10:14
popculturediner
Right.
00:10:14
Steve
ah they They are encouraging him
Devin's Perception and Strategy
00:10:17
Steve
to do the things that make the other guys mad. With Maria, she was assertive and she was independent. She was her own woman, big personality, but nothing she ever did in my opinion, really crossed that line into being a total asshole, where everything Devin is doing, like the way that he's responding to the other men in the house and the way that he's he's talking to them, he's got like real, I don't know, I feel like he was bred for reality television.
00:10:35
popculturediner
yeah
00:10:49
Steve
Like the the way that he responds to people is very like this this strangely aggressive, like tone where he, he's putting the problem entirely on the other person.
00:11:03
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:11:04
Steve
It's so, it's so weird. Like, I don't even know how people are wired that way.
00:11:08
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:11:08
Steve
Uh, but all of this is, is not good. So I, I appreciate the the Maria comparison, but Maria is a goddess and we stand Maria forever.
00:11:16
popculturediner
I'm just asking questions. No, we we stan Maria on this podcast forever and ever and ever.
00:11:23
Steve
Yes.
00:11:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:25
popculturediner
um I'm just asking because she was also polarizing. But I think in a different way, because yeah, it was like the controversy there, the first controversy, if I remember correctly, was her being like, you think 31 is old?
00:11:30
Steve
Mm hmm. Yes.
00:11:39
popculturediner
That's weird.
00:11:42
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:42
popculturediner
you know like She's just like, why do you think that that's like such a problem? like
00:11:46
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:47
popculturediner
you think you're at a disadvantage, like I don't, you know, I don't think so or whatever. And then it was like, oh, she's, you know, diminishing my experience or whatever. And it's like, I mean, she's not wrong though. And she was also like, isn't she like 29?
00:11:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:01
popculturediner
And so she was like, um, like I'm two years younger than you or whatever.
00:12:01
Steve
Yeah, exactly.
00:12:05
popculturediner
Yeah. So, I mean, it was just one of those things where it was like,
Jonathan's New Look and Aesthetic Discussions
00:12:08
popculturediner
I, yeah. Cause it was someone was talking about like, Oh, I feel like I'm running out of time. And she's like, you're not running out of time. What are you talking about? so Which, which is undeniably true.
00:12:13
Steve
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
00:12:16
popculturediner
So, you know, it it was just kind of like, well, why are you mad about that? Like I get your concerns or your concerns and it's important for people to feel like heard and validated and all of that.
00:12:25
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:12:26
popculturediner
But that's the kind of thing that you could, could like just. talk through. But yeah, I mean, Oh, yeah.
00:12:31
Steve
Yeah, as opposed to this where he goes up to Thomas and it's just Thomas is just like, Hey, you show you give us time. And Devin goes, Well, why are you being such a skinny wiener loser? I'm gonna.
00:12:41
popculturediner
Well, you know what, we'll get to that because I have some thoughts about that because
00:12:44
Steve
that's Yeah.
00:12:47
popculturediner
We'll get to that, but that's at the end of the episode. I don't want to jump ahead too far, but I actually have some ah specific thoughts about that, too.
00:12:50
Steve
Yeah.
00:12:53
Steve
Sure.
00:12:53
popculturediner
um But yeah, so so um so we get to the end of this like comedy show, if you want to call it that.
00:13:02
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:03
popculturediner
And and Devin's like, you know, I think the reason I'm being targeted so much is that the men see me as a threat. And I mean, he's they're probably he's probably not wrong, but
00:13:15
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:16
popculturediner
Well, you know, time will tell.
00:13:17
Steve
It's a yes and, right?
00:13:17
popculturediner
um
00:13:18
Steve
Because again, it's like, yeah, dude, you're asserting yourself and you're getting all this extra time and you're taking her away from the group. But also, side note, you're a dick. So yes, you're a threat, but you're a dick.
00:13:29
popculturediner
Yeah. You're, you're an annoying threat. Yeah.
00:13:32
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:13:32
popculturediner
You're a really unbearable threat. Yeah. This is the part in the notes where I wrote, am I farther in than I thought? Cause I was so confused because they were so mad and I'm like, how did all this happen in 10 minutes wild?
00:13:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:43
Steve
It's an oddly paced episode. They just zero to 60 in like two seconds.
00:13:45
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:13:48
popculturediner
Um, oh, I may, well, I'm not saying I have a new favorite, but I will say that I have like a close second. Um, cause we get to the after party of this first group date and Jonathan in those glasses. Oh my God. Oh my God. He kind of looked like bark Ruffalo. You know what I mean? I was like, it's working for me. It's working for me. I was like, he looks really cute. Like I feel like. It's like my perception of him was off.
00:14:20
popculturediner
I mean, I thought he was cute, but like, you know, he's all bandaged up.
00:14:23
Steve
Ooh.
00:14:23
popculturediner
Then they reveal his face and I'm like, OK, I didn't know what to expect. And his face wasn't matching exactly what my brain expected. So I was like, I think he's cute, though.
00:14:29
Steve
Sure.
00:14:31
popculturediner
But now, like with him in an actual not hospital gown and like put together in like an evening look and in his glass, I just I'm a sucker for glasses.
00:14:33
Steve
Mhm.
00:14:41
Steve
It's amazing how good a man can look when he's not in the hospital gown, you know?
00:14:45
popculturediner
When he's not doesn't look like he escaped in the middle of surgery and um yeah, I was just like wow and I think he's very um He just feels very calm and Grounded and I don't think he's the kind of creative director.
00:14:57
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:02
popculturediner
We wouldn't like I
00:15:04
Steve
Yeah, he's he's one of the good ones.
00:15:05
popculturediner
I think he's the kind that we would want to work with. I'm going to say that right now.
00:15:08
Steve
Shocking, shocking, he's he's the one in 100.
00:15:08
popculturediner
So yeah, I know.
00:15:12
popculturediner
So I was like, oh, I actually because, yeah, I don't know. I feel like he is he's a good listener.
00:15:18
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:15:18
popculturediner
He was he was just like he's got like a really calming, like, like soft in a good way presence. And I just really I i don't know.
00:15:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:15:28
popculturediner
He impressed me on that date. I thought he was going to get Like the group date rose and I was kind of surprised when he didn't um but we'll get there um Yeah, then we have Erin who is real jealous of of Devin and um And He's got he's got you know, the pearls he's giving very much male feminists.
00:15:32
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:15:52
popculturediner
I don't know. Maybe I should give him a shot.
00:15:54
Steve
There's a lot of guys wearing pearls on this show and just in general, what's going on?
00:16:00
popculturediner
I
00:16:00
Steve
Did I miss this trend?
00:16:01
popculturediner
Yeah, you did. I mean, but it's kind of old by now.
00:16:04
Steve
Yeah, it's just.
00:16:04
popculturediner
I feel like it was a thing like three to four years ago. So I'm just kind of like with like young tick tockers and like those houses and stuff.
00:16:07
Steve
Okay.
00:16:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:12
popculturediner
um Listen, I don't mind it. But like, I mean, I don't care where whatever you want. But some sometimes when people wear that stuff, it just feels disingenuous.
00:16:17
Steve
Sure.
00:16:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:23
popculturediner
And with Aaron, it just doesn't seem to match. his personality. You know, so like, I don't know if you watch Curtis Connor, we watch Curtis Connor in this house, and um my husband calls him the funny Canadian man. Can we watch the videos of the funny Canadian man? I said, oh, Curtis Conner. Yes, we can watch that. You know, and his jewelry game is like really strong. He's got like this really cool necklace, ah like a Swarovski necklace that he wears a lot. He wears pearls and stuff, but it like matches his aesthetic. Like it just all works.
00:16:51
Steve
Yeah.
00:16:52
popculturediner
It just all looks like it goes. I feel like and maybe time will tell. And I feel like it's partially just because I don't like his brother, but I just don't think it's comes naturally to Aaron.
00:17:04
Steve
Yeah, it just it looks weird.
00:17:05
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:17:05
Steve
like I don't care. Wear pearls, whatever, man. But like it doesn't fit. Also, I don't like it because if I'm just glancing at the television or you know I just happen to catch one of these guys in the corner of my eye, I'm like, are puka shell necklaces back?
00:17:21
popculturediner
And then you're like, no, it's pearls.
00:17:22
Steve
And I'm like, ah, it's just pearls.
00:17:24
popculturediner
Damn, too bad. Well, this is a good, thank you. That was a good segue into something I wanted to talk about. Cause I wanted to talk about an early 2000s thing at some point, just cause it, this was like a big part of my day and I need to talk about it.
00:17:32
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:17:36
popculturediner
um Okay.
00:17:37
Steve
okay
00:17:37
popculturediner
And also I mentioned the OC when I was talking about it.
00:17:40
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:17:41
popculturediner
So I for like two or three years have been trying to remember this makeup that I used to wear in like the early 2000s. and i put it on tiktok today and i said because people can find anything on tiktok it's amazing
00:17:50
Steve
Okay. They can. Yeah.
Grant's One-on-One Date
00:17:56
popculturediner
it's like two minutes later and someone's like found them found where they work found everything found the dog you know and you're like how did you do that and so i was like i had done it before a few months ago and
00:18:03
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:18:09
popculturediner
It just didn't really go anywhere, so I didn't have any good leads. I didn't have like any good hints. So I was like, I'm going to try again. I'm going to do another video. And I'm like, I need to win TikTok.
00:18:16
Steve
No.
00:18:18
popculturediner
So you got to tell me. I need to know.
00:18:19
Steve
Help me out, TikTok.
00:18:20
popculturediner
I need to know. And I was like, it was this makeup. It was when the OC was popular. It was like in the early 2000s. And it was like when everybody was doing like dewy, glowy, beachy stuff. and you know um And there were like these pots that you know you would put it on your cheeks and the and like and I didn't fully remember exactly all the packaging, but I was like, I'll know it when I see it. And it smelled so good. Like it had like this kind of sweet smell to it.
00:18:50
Steve
The makeup you want to eat.
00:18:51
popculturediner
Yeah, and it's like every once in a while I'll smell something that smells like that. And I'll go, oh my God, that makeup that I wore in high school, you know, like my brain will go there. And I was like, I gotta know what it is. And I had a bunch of people in my comments going, is it this? Is it this? Is it this? And I'm like, no, everyone thinks it's this, but I don't think it's that. I think it's Maybelline or CoverGirl. And then someone said something and I was like, oh, I think it's Revlon actually. And I think I found it.
00:19:21
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:19:21
popculturediner
And I bought a new in the box version of it from 20 years ago on eBay.
00:19:26
Steve
From 20 years ago? Oh my God.
00:19:29
popculturediner
I'm not going to put it on my face, but I but I am going to spell it.
00:19:30
Steve
Let's say, I would be worried about your skin melting. That seems like a possibility.
00:19:36
popculturediner
I was like, I'm going to smell it. I'm going to like record myself unboxing it and smelling it. So everyone go to Sammy Ditto on TikTok. I'll put it in the show notes if you want to see that.
00:19:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:19:45
popculturediner
But that is like the early 2000s thing I think about all the time.
00:19:49
Steve
Sniff and makeup.
00:19:49
popculturediner
And that was around the time that everyone was wearing puka shell necklaces and everyone wanted to look like they just came from the beach for some reason.
00:19:54
Steve
Ooh.
00:19:58
Steve
Frosted tips, baby.
00:19:58
popculturediner
That was like a really big deal. Yeah. So anyway, no, I'm totally there's people on the show who like have really cool personal style. I like I think that's great. But with Aaron, I just it just doesn't read for me. It just feels like a put on. So anyway, but I also don't like in that much.
00:20:14
Steve
Yeah. He's still just, yeah, he looks like the guy who's going to do my taxes or whatever, but also in a pearl necklace. And I'm just like, I don't know if the guy who does my taxes would wear a pearl necklace.
00:20:24
popculturediner
Well, I feel like the guy who would do my taxes would wear a pearl necklace, but yeah.
00:20:24
Steve
Doesn't fit.
00:20:28
Steve
Probably.
00:20:30
popculturediner
Except i've I've had the same person do my taxes for 10 years. So that's not going to change anytime soon.
00:20:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:20:35
popculturediner
Anyway, um then we see Grant. There's a one on one with Grant. She obviously really likes him. And I'm starting to warm to him. I wasn't sure. Day trader Grant. But I think he asked good questions. um He says the right things and it works for Jen.
00:20:52
Steve
Yeah, I don't like it.
00:20:54
popculturediner
You don't like it. You don't like him.
00:20:55
Steve
No, he's a little too slick, little too smooth.
00:20:58
popculturediner
Yeah, he might be.
00:20:59
Steve
Um, yeah,
00:20:59
popculturediner
I don't know. I'm waiting to see it because that's how I felt about like Jordan, you know, with Jojo. But then it obviously was legit. So I mean, as far as we know.
00:21:08
Steve
ah I'm not, so I'm not saying he's a child murderer, but I'm just like, I there's, he's a little, little too smooth for me.
00:21:09
popculturediner
So I don't know.
00:21:14
popculturediner
Just a ah little too smooth. Yeah. I mean, cause he, cause he was like, this is my favorite part of the day.
00:21:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:21:20
popculturediner
He asked her like, what shapes you into the woman
Marcus: The Producer's Special Boy
00:21:23
popculturediner
that you are. And he, he said, you know, he was like, Ooh, Grant Tran. I like that. And I was like, that actually does sound really good. So I don't know.
00:21:30
Steve
I just feel like he's one of those guys who probably reads a lot of books about how to talk to people, but not for self-improvement just to get what he wants.
00:21:36
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:21:38
Steve
and And like, yeah, you never know.
00:21:38
popculturediner
Oh, well, we might have a second fill in. You never know. You know.
00:21:44
Steve
I don't even know if it's villain enough. He's just so slippery. I don't, I don't know.
00:21:47
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:21:48
Steve
a
00:21:48
popculturediner
Well, I don't know if he's going to make it like super, super far, but she obviously likes him early on. So we'll see what happens. um
00:21:55
Steve
Yeah. He seems like more paradise than long-term main show to me.
00:22:00
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. But I mean, I thought I mean, as long as she's happy, I'm happy.
00:22:04
Steve
Yeah, as long as she's happy.
00:22:04
popculturediner
So, you know, um and then the guys who are at home, they have a date card and no ah suspense at all. It was just like Marcus. And then he goes, You're on the date. Packer flag.
00:22:17
Steve
Why does the show, the show loves Marcus?
00:22:20
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:22:20
Steve
He, I have never seen like ah a more like producer's special boy in my entire life.
00:22:27
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:22:27
Steve
He gets the package in the beginning with the, with the American flag and the suitcase and all we love Marcus. He gets all this time on the first episode. We get to the second episode. He gets this one-on-one and it's not just any one-on-one it's what Sammy?
00:22:45
popculturediner
It's a thrill date.
00:22:47
Steve
It's a thrill date. It's, well, probably not thrilling for him.
00:22:48
popculturediner
Yep.
00:22:50
Steve
Cause he's like an army ranger.
00:22:50
popculturediner
He's like, I i just jump out of planes like all the day all the time.
00:22:52
Steve
Yeah. I was like, what, what's the equivalent of that? That'd be like, Steve, you're going on a date with a beautiful woman and you're going to log onto a zoom call. Like what, what is that for him? It's nothing. Right.
00:23:02
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, he's like, I mean, I just kind of like do it a lot. But yeah, that was kind of interesting.
00:23:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:08
popculturediner
um Yeah, we'll get but we'll get back to that. um We'll get back to the date. But yeah, I was like, okay, so he gets it. And I was like, make sure you bring your flag with you. And ah
00:23:19
Steve
He's just floating down. Instead of parachuting, he's floating down with the flag.
00:23:22
popculturediner
Yeah, he's like USA.
00:23:25
popculturediner
So yeah, so Aaron interrogates Devin at this like after party, and then Devin starts making fun of Aaron's pearls in the confessional, which I do think is funny, just because it doesn't match.
00:23:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:36
popculturediner
It's like, you're not going to call someone out on something they're wearing, if it all is cohesive, and it makes sense. That's my point.
00:23:42
Steve
yeah It would be the equivalent of me wearing pearls right now.
00:23:42
popculturediner
um and But
00:23:45
Steve
Like you'd be like, I don't know if this is for you, Steve.
00:23:47
popculturediner
That's like a choice you made. Yeah, that's interesting.
00:23:49
Steve
Yeah.
00:23:49
popculturediner
um And then Aaron calls Devon Dylan multiple times, which don't do that.
00:23:56
Steve
Which I love. ah
00:23:58
popculturediner
Okay, don't call him Dylan. We like Dylan.
00:24:01
Steve
We like Dylan.
00:24:01
popculturediner
This is not Dylan.
00:24:02
Steve
I just, I just liked the idea of.
00:24:04
popculturediner
But he just like completely doesn't remember Devon's name at all.
00:24:08
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:08
popculturediner
He's just a non factor.
00:24:08
Steve
oh Intentionally or unintentionally, like that's one of my favorite ways to just randomly disrespect someone who's a shithead is just call them by the wrong name repeatedly and not correct yourself.
00:24:15
popculturediner
I don't
00:24:17
popculturediner
I don't think it's intentional. Yeah. I'm pretty sure it wasn't intentional. It seems accidental.
00:24:21
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:23
popculturediner
And, but he did it like multiple times. I mean, I've totally, I mean, we've all done that where it's just like, for some reason, someone sticks in your head as like a certain name and you just like, can't get it out.
00:24:28
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:35
popculturediner
Cause maybe you know, someone else who looks similar who has the same name or something like that.
00:24:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:40
popculturediner
Um,
00:24:41
Steve
He needs to write it on his hands, like Dylan, good, dev, and bad, and then he's fine.
00:24:44
popculturediner
Yeah, exactly, exactly. Yeah, he needs something. But well, OK, anyway, we'll get into the book later.
00:24:48
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:24:51
popculturediner
But ah yeah, so that was that was really weird. And then I was like, OK, I was like, well, maybe Aaron will approach this conflict more strategically because maybe he knows something from Noah. No, no, no.
00:25:06
Steve
Yeah, no. And yeah, come on, dude. It's like he had a coach who was there.
00:25:08
popculturediner
That's the thing. Yeah.
00:25:10
Steve
Like someone who could tell him exactly how this stuff works. And he's not a spring chicken. He's older than a lot of these guys.
00:25:17
popculturediner
Right.
00:25:18
Steve
He's in his 30s. Like he's not a baby. So it's it's weird.
00:25:21
popculturediner
Yeah, he's just he's acting like I mean, they're both deeply unlikable in my in my opinion.
00:25:26
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:25:28
popculturediner
um So, yeah, so so, yeah, Aaron's like, oh, and then he like he has like this one on one moment with Jen and he's like, listen, I'm totally like fun. I'm like fun loving. I'm not just all serious. And I'm like, are you? And then that's when Devin rolls in with the ice cream and he was like, hello.
00:25:45
Steve
Ice cream. Oh.
00:25:48
popculturediner
And then um Yeah, and then Jen doesn't stop it, though. She's not like, oh, yeah, I still want time. She's like, oh, this is cute. Ice cream. OK, thank you.
00:25:59
Steve
Yeah, she's done with Aaron.
00:26:00
popculturediner
to Yeah, yeah, he's not fun loving.
00:26:01
Steve
He's boring. He's boring.
00:26:04
popculturediner
She knows that we know it. So she's like ice cream. That's more fun.
00:26:09
Steve
I just feel like, and maybe you've had the same experience, anytime someone has to tell you who they are, they're probably reaching for something.
00:26:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:18
Steve
Like, yeah oh, i'm i'm a I'm a nice guy, really, I'm a nice guy.
00:26:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:26:23
popculturediner
Well, I know someone like that.
00:26:23
Steve
I'm i'm funny, I had so much fun, I'm not Mr. Serious all the time. It's like, dude, no.
00:26:30
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like people who tell you their nickname.
00:26:34
Steve
Yeah, oh, I hate that, I hate that.
00:26:35
popculturediner
That's weird. People always call me blah, blah, blah. I'm like, do they?
00:26:40
Steve
Don't we?
00:26:41
popculturediner
I mean, I know more than one person who like left like who changed schools, and all of a sudden they were going by a different name, and they were like trying to tell the people at the new school, like this is what everybody at my old school called me, and I'm sitting here like, I didn't call you that.
00:26:41
Steve
Yeah.
00:26:54
Steve
Nobody calls you that, dude.
00:26:57
popculturediner
now im you know I'm very blessed because I've been given hundreds of nicknames.
00:27:04
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:27:04
popculturediner
For some reason, a Sam root is just, prime you're primed for nicknames.
00:27:10
Steve
Do anything with it, yeah.
00:27:11
popculturediner
Everyone in the world wants to give you a nickname. And they just look at you and they go, I'm gonna call you this. And you go, okay, sure. um But yeah, I don't think I've ever said to somebody, This is what people call me. I mean, I say I prefer if you say Sammy, I don't really like Samantha.
00:27:28
Steve
No.
00:27:31
popculturediner
That's a little too formal for me. When people say that, I'm like, I think I'm getting in trouble. But if they're like, is it Sam or Sammy? I go, you call me whatever, as long as you don't call me Samantha, you know, like whatever. It doesn't it doesn't really matter to me. um But yeah, like Erin is very much. Yeah, it's like I'm fun. It's like if you were fun, it's show not tell.
00:27:48
Steve
Yeah. Mm hmm.
00:27:52
popculturediner
It's show not tell. If you were fun, we would know that already.
00:27:55
Steve
We didn't know that. Yeah. You can't just walk into a room and be like, yeah, my name is Aaron, but everybody calls me Mr.
00:27:56
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:27:59
Steve
Cool. thats I don't think so.
00:28:00
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like, no.
00:28:01
Steve
I always think about the the guitar player from U2. Like he just one day he woke up. He's like, yeah, call me the edge. Like, dude, you're not the edge. Look at you are the least edgy man alive.
00:28:12
popculturediner
See, it's like, I believe it about Slash, but I don't believe it about yeah Edge.
00:28:15
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah. Slash looks like a slash.
00:28:19
popculturediner
Yeah, you're just like, yeah, I think everyone calls you slash.
00:28:19
Steve
You tell me, like, if if he just came up to me, especially in like 1986 or something, he's like, would he slash?
00:28:24
popculturediner
Yeah, it is.
00:28:25
Steve
Like, yeah, it is. The edge comes up to me. He's like, I'm the edge. I'd be like, no, you're like Brad or something, man. Shut up.
00:28:32
popculturediner
You're just some guy.
00:28:34
Steve
Like Ted. Yeah. No, you're not.
00:28:35
popculturediner
Yeah, some people some people can carry it and pull it off.
00:28:36
Steve
There's no, not edge.
00:28:38
popculturediner
Some people can't, you know?
00:28:40
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:40
popculturediner
And i and that's what I'm saying. What I'm gathering from Aaron is it's a manufactured personality that he's practiced and tried to bring onto the show and it is not reading well.
00:28:51
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:28:53
popculturediner
And oh my God, why am I blanking on his name?
00:28:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:28:57
popculturediner
The ding dong who had all the earrings in The Last Bachelorette.
00:29:01
Steve
Oh, ah but Braden.
00:29:02
popculturediner
Why am I forgetting? That's so bad. Braden.
00:29:05
Steve
Yeah, there you go.
00:29:05
popculturediner
Braden. Here's the thing about Braden. That's that's real to him.
00:29:10
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:29:11
popculturediner
All of that. I mean, we know it was like he got out of a strict military environment and now he's like looking to express himself.
00:29:16
Steve
Yeah.
00:29:19
popculturediner
But it is like 100 percent what he wants to do. Like and you he's leaning into it very heavily.
00:29:24
Steve
Hm.
00:29:26
popculturediner
But it's also not It's manufactured perhaps, but it's also like it's a desire that it's obvious that he's had for a long time And he's like putting his all into it, but like Aaron's not putting his all into it He's putting like some into it, and we know that because a person Who's fun loving and like wears fun accessories and and like listen? I'm the queen of fun accessories, so I feel like I can speak on this um and
00:29:51
Steve
Yeah. Preach Ms. Frizzle.
00:29:53
popculturediner
Thank you. but like the king of you know or like you know Someone who's like who's got fun accessories and is fun-loving is not going to bring like a self-improvement management book to The Bachelorette, but more on that later. um so okay So Aaron and Jeremy, so Devin gets time, and then Aaron and Jeremy are like bitching outside. Well, Jeremy is more like reacting. um I actually liked Jeremy more in this episode, because I feel like he was kind of the voice of the audience the whole time they put him into that role.
00:30:26
popculturediner
Because, you know, first there was like that conflict with him and that used car salesman type guy, um that aesthetician with like the car and whatever, you know, and
00:30:33
Steve
Mmhmm.
00:30:37
popculturediner
And he kind of came off. I mean, I get it why he would be peeved by that, but he just kind of seemed unfun. But in this episode, he was just kind of there. But he was like, oh, wow. Oh, really? Oh, that's a lot. And then he'd go to the camera and be like, this is how everybody's feeling right now. Isn't that interesting? um So he's there for Aaron to complain to. And then Aaron's calling Devin a cheese ball or whatever. And there's like this back and forth of turf wars where it's like, Like it's like Aaron's there and then Jeremy's there and then Aaron comes back or not Jeremy Aaron's there and then Devin's there and then Aaron comes back and then Devin comes back and then Devin wins the turf wars and he gets a kiss from Jen.
00:31:12
Steve
Yeah, it's weird.
00:31:16
Steve
Mhm.
00:31:17
popculturediner
But the joke is on everyone because Grant gets the rose.
00:31:23
popculturediner
which threw me through a loop. Like I was like, I figured the surprise would be Jonathan gets the rose.
00:31:25
Steve
Yeah.
00:31:29
popculturediner
And then it was like, cause it just seemed like they have the most like normal connection.
00:31:32
Steve
Mhm.
00:31:34
popculturediner
They just seem like normal humans together and I really like it. um Yeah.
00:31:38
Steve
I feel like this could have been a producer note too, because like, okay, so I mean, Devin's interaction was good.
00:31:47
popculturediner
but
00:31:47
Steve
It's rose worthy, like at no point I was like, oh, he's going home. But then because we know that Devin is sowing the seeds of chaos, I feel like at least that casts some doubt on his ability to move forward if he, you know, crosses a line or something or ruins the cocktail party or whatever he's gonna do.
00:31:50
popculturediner
No, no.
00:32:03
popculturediner
Mm hmm.
00:32:06
Steve
Uh, yeah. So it makes sense from a producer standpoint, but I agree with you.
00:32:10
popculturediner
I knew he wasn't.
00:32:10
Steve
It's not like.
00:32:11
popculturediner
Yeah, I knew he wasn't going to get it. I knew it wasn't going to be like his or Aaron's because they're in conflict and they want to save that for the rose ceremony.
00:32:14
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:32:17
Steve
Yeah. Gotta to save it.
00:32:19
popculturediner
But but I was like, I was surprised because I thought the curveball was going to be Jonathan and then it was Grant.
00:32:19
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:23
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:32:24
popculturediner
And then I was like, well, now I'm extra surprised because I just didn't think that that went as well as it did.
00:32:27
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:30
popculturediner
And then I was like, wow, I guess. And that's when I was like, well, I guess I got to try to like him a little or something. But you're not convinced. So that's fine.
00:32:37
Steve
Not convinced yet, not convinced yet. I take ah i gotta to warm up to him a little bit more, but I'm here trying to protect Jen's heart, Sammy.
00:32:42
popculturediner
No, that's fine. No, I'm not saying I. i
00:32:47
popculturediner
Yeah, no, I that's why I I like Dylan. I like Jonathan. They're definitely my top two right now.
00:32:52
Steve
Yeah.
00:32:53
popculturediner
um So we have the one on one date with Marcus again. He is just kind of like, oh, we're going to jump out of a plane. um This is what I would love to see sometime, because I know. Have you jumped out of a plane, by the way?
00:33:03
Steve
No, I do it, but I just, I haven't had the opp, I don't, I haven't had the opportunity to, but if someone was just like, Steve, you want to jump out of plane tomorrow?
00:33:04
popculturediner
You do it.
00:33:07
popculturediner
OK, we should do that at some point.
00:33:10
Steve
Yeah, let's do it anytime.
00:33:10
popculturediner
Yeah. OK, let's let's consider that.
00:33:12
Steve
First podcast to jump out of a plane.
00:33:15
popculturediner
Yes, yeah, we should we should do like for a milestone episode, we jump out of a plane, maybe like episode 250 or something like that.
00:33:19
Steve
That'd be amazing.
00:33:23
popculturediner
That's coming up. Just an idea.
00:33:24
Steve
I'll bring a portable recorder and a microphone. i'd be like this we got ras vice va out
00:33:28
popculturediner
Welcome to the most dramatic. Because I've always wanted to do it, but I know it talks like I was like, would you jump out of a plane? He's like, no, but like unequivocally no. And I'm like, well, that's fine. and I'm like, probably do it at some point. i Why not? you know um Yeah.
00:33:43
Steve
Yeah, why not?
00:33:45
popculturediner
But yeah, it was funny because I know that there's like four hours of training I think about that you're required to do before you do it. And I just love the way that the the bachelor and bachelorette is edited because it's just like they get there and they're suited up and they're going up in a plane, which would be terrifying.
00:34:02
Steve
Oh yeah, I can't even imagine.
00:34:03
popculturediner
But they do give you like hours worth of training where it's like, here's the position you have to be in. Here's, you know, and they have you practice on the ground, like what you have to do when they jump with you and all that stuff. And it's just like, but they're just like, all right, here we go. It was just really weird. Plus, this part of the date just felt very short in general. But it was partially because like Jen was scared, but she just like went for it.
00:34:22
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:34:26
popculturediner
She's like, I mean, she's she's a good bachelorette because she's just kind of like she's ready for anything. She'll do it, you know, And marcus was like oh i was so surprised like how cool calm and collected you are and she was like i was not i was freaking out internally but she just like did it anyway so there wasn't as much of that you know like the adrenaline dates are usually.
00:34:32
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:48
popculturediner
Yeah, ones where it's like you spend 10 minutes like everybody's worried about how this is going to go and then they go and that, you know, and someone's got to calm someone else down.
00:34:54
Steve
Yeah.
00:34:58
popculturediner
But it was just kind of like not that dramatic. Although, you know, it was fun. Landing seems hard, you know, because it's like you're, you're so freaked out. And then and then he's like, Okay, stand up or sit down or whatever.
00:35:07
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:35:10
popculturediner
And then she like did the wrong thing. And they just tumbled over. But
00:35:13
Steve
Yeah. There's splatted basically.
00:35:13
popculturediner
um Yeah, that was cute. Like the people that they jumped with seemed fun, too.
00:35:17
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:35:18
popculturediner
So so that was great. um And then, of course, they kiss after because, you know, it's like this is a dramatic day and whatever.
00:35:26
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:27
popculturediner
And I don't remember if it was during the jump or afterwards.
00:35:30
Steve
Yeah.
00:35:30
popculturediner
I think it was during the jump that Jen was wearing like a lilac. jacket like she was wearing something lilac covered and I just said that that's really her color and I'm not like a season uh person I don't know if that makes her a spring or whatever but she i was like wow lilac is like really her color um so that was and then they had a fit me commercial because they're really it's just I don't know how much money they're getting getting from those fit me commercials but holy cow did you see that you know what I'm talking about oh okay yeah I think it's
00:35:42
Steve
yeah
00:35:56
Steve
No, no, I was I was skipping the commercials. I'm sorry. Yeah, advanced technology.
00:36:04
popculturediner
Yeah, well, you know, I'm talking about the Maybelline Fit Me Foundation. They've had like ah Serena and Joe did a did a segment.
00:36:10
Steve
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:36:11
popculturediner
i I want to say Charity did one.
00:36:12
Steve
I've so um've seen that one.
00:36:13
popculturediner
And then they just they did another one with like Trista and a few other of the Bachelorettes.
00:36:14
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:36:19
popculturediner
And I'm trying to remember who else was in it.
00:36:20
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:36:20
popculturediner
But I was just like, oh, there's Trista. um Yeah.
00:36:22
Steve
Yeah, I did not see the latest one, but I've seen the other two and I was probably getting cheese to eat when that was happening.
00:36:28
popculturediner
OK, yeah. Well, that's fine. Anyway.
00:36:30
Steve
Commercials are for cheese breaks.
00:36:32
popculturediner
Yeah, well, yeah. And for product placement, well on the show, they have it ah during the episode and then they have it. I like got commercial breaks. It's just wild. Um, so they get to, they get to dinner in a library. My dream.
00:36:45
Steve
Yeah, I was going to say Sammy date.
00:36:45
popculturediner
Again, my dream, um yeah like in a museum, in a library, me date. Marcus is like, oh, you know, it takes a lot of strength to do something like skydiving and you face your fears. And, you know, I will say um he went, I mean, you know, oh like or dislike the military, he did go through something really scary. I mean, like that would be so traumatizing to to experience that. um Yeah.
00:37:13
Steve
Oh, yeah. And this was his big vulnerability moment, too, where he got to talk about it. and Yeah.
00:37:18
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, that sounds so scary.
00:37:18
Steve
Can you imagine, though, like, okay, so you have that date and then you're at the library and then Marcus tells you about how, like, his friends died in front of him when there was a grenade thrown at him or something when he was doing army stuff.
00:37:30
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:37:32
Steve
And then what if she, like, didn't give him the rose? Like, that's not even a possibility, right?
00:37:36
popculturediner
Right, right.
00:37:36
Steve
Like, you have to give him the rose at that boy.
00:37:37
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like that's so that's so so but I think she does like him. I mean, he's getting a lot of attention and.
00:37:41
Steve
Yeah. Oh, she does. Not as much as the producers do, but she likes him.
00:37:45
popculturediner
I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah. But she definitely likes him. And, you know, he but he's like, you know, I want to live a life that's worth saving because, you know, they saved my life and I'm so grateful.
00:37:48
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:55
popculturediner
And, you know, that's beautiful. So I can't be I can't be like a cynical asshole about that or anything. So they have a good day.
00:38:02
Steve
Save that for me.
00:38:04
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:38:06
Steve
No, Marcus seems fine.
00:38:06
popculturediner
I'm like, I can't do that. That makes it make me really sad.
00:38:07
Steve
He seems fine. He's, I don't know.
00:38:09
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:38:10
Steve
He doesn't have a lot of personality, but the the bit that's there doesn't seem bad. So he's yeah he's fine. He's fine.
00:38:17
popculturediner
Well, he's obviously like introspective and like thoughtful and it seems like he's, uh, gone to therapy. Um, so that's good. Cause he's not like coming back, like, like flying off the handle or something.
00:38:27
Steve
That's a plus.
00:38:30
popculturediner
So, and you know, so yeah.
00:38:30
Steve
No, he's not, he's not like stuck in a like a hurt locker spiral or something. So that's, that's good.
00:38:36
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. So I think that's good. So and it's good that he's like, you know, I want to I don't want to take any day for granted and I am, you know, so grateful to be here and all that stuff. So I think, you know, that's like a healthy way to come out of that.
00:38:45
Steve
Oh yeah. Seems like a standup dude.
00:38:49
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah. So I don't know if they had a good date.
Australian Wildlife Group Date
00:38:51
popculturediner
And then, OK, this would be a group date I would have loved to go on. Like I'm like, yeah, if I went on a group date, I want to go on this, the Australian wildlife photo shoot.
00:39:00
Steve
Oh God.
00:39:00
popculturediner
Absolutely.
00:39:00
Steve
As soon as they said that I was just like, Oh no, they're going to put like a spider the size of my torso on someone. And I'm going to be like, No,
00:39:07
popculturediner
Yeah. But that's when, when you do the interviews and you do all those intake forms, don't tell people you're afraid of spiders.
00:39:13
Steve
no never.
00:39:14
popculturediner
Why are you, why are you doing that?
00:39:14
Steve
Why would you do that? Yeah.
00:39:15
popculturediner
Tell people, be like, I'm afraid of puppies.
00:39:16
Steve
I love all animals.
00:39:18
popculturediner
I'm afraid of really fuzzy puppies. I just have an irrational fear of getting puppies covered all over me.
00:39:22
Steve
Yeah.
00:39:24
popculturediner
And then you get the puppies. Hello. Like that's what you do.
00:39:26
Steve
Yeah. That's that's the move.
00:39:28
popculturediner
Yeah. Yeah, so but most of the animals were like fun to shoot with and also I made a note that I really liked the photographer's pants that I thought they were awesome. um
00:39:38
Steve
Oh yeah, they were dressed really well. I was like, wow.
00:39:40
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, and I was like this is this.
00:39:41
Steve
Fancy posh outback men.
00:39:43
popculturediner
Yeah, I loved it. And I was like, OK, this is my ah dream group day. And then I wrote as long as it's not a spider. And then Hakim starts saying spiders are my biggest fear. And I'm like, don't do that.
00:39:54
Steve
Go down on that.
00:39:55
popculturediner
You're making a mistake. And then I'm like, don't you know how this show works? And then OK, here's here's my comparison that I'm going to make. I think Hakim is this season's John Paul Jones.
00:40:07
Steve
Oh, is he weird enough though?
00:40:08
popculturediner
Yep.
00:40:10
popculturediner
I mean, he's getting pretty wack. Okay. So he came in with all the balloons, the up balloons, right?
00:40:15
Steve
who
00:40:16
popculturediner
And then they all popped. He's like comedic relief, I think. And then he's like, I'm so afraid, you know, and whatever.
00:40:20
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:22
popculturediner
And then he's like, I mean, even the photo, which I can't believe they captured a photo, I was shocked that they got one because the whole time he's freaking out, freaking out, freaking out.
00:40:27
Steve
Yeah. Oh, cause it was like, a and he was just like, yeah.
00:40:31
popculturediner
Well, because it went off. I mean, it moved fast. It like went up his arm and ah I was like, oh, no, I wouldn't do that either.
00:40:33
Steve
yeah
00:40:37
Steve
No.
00:40:37
popculturediner
And he's like, what do I do if I get to my head? What do I do when I do? And then they're like, we got the shot. And he's like, really? And they actually captured like a decent frame of him, even though he was like panicking.
00:40:45
Steve
Yeah.
00:40:46
popculturediner
They still made it like look like editorial and cool and whatever. But I'm just saying maybe they're going to do another, you know, I don't know if they'll do like a pregnancy simulator or whatever they do with like John Paul Jones, but he's starting.
00:40:56
Steve
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:59
popculturediner
He's got some cartoonish facial reactions.
00:40:59
Steve
Yeah.
00:41:03
popculturediner
He's got the energy. I don't know. I'm not saying he's like fully John Paul Jones, but I think he might be this season's version of John Paul Jones.
00:41:06
Steve
yeah
00:41:09
Steve
Sure, sure.
00:41:13
Steve
Okay, yeah, because with JPJ, I think the thing with him is like the moment he walked into the house, you were like, oh, there's no way like he doesn't have a shot.
00:41:14
popculturediner
That's my theory.
00:41:22
popculturediner
No, he doesn't ever shot in hell.
00:41:23
Steve
He looks like a weird child. like and then And then he talks, you're like, oh no, like the who how is he here?
00:41:25
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:41:29
Steve
Because you always get those guys on night one where they're like, oh yeah, this is just a goober that we rolled in because it'll be fun for the first night, whatever.
00:41:31
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:41:36
Steve
But then he just stuck around like for a long time.
00:41:39
popculturediner
Yeah, he kind of I mean, he kind of was a fan favorite, like, yeah.
00:41:42
Steve
Yeah, it was great.
00:41:42
popculturediner
Cause he's, he was a weird Goober who was likable. Cause it's like, you get like waboom or whatever, like that pizza guy.
00:41:46
Steve
Yeah, yeah. Oh, noble booms.
00:41:50
popculturediner
And it's like every, or that weird Canadian dude, you know, it's like everybody hates them.
00:41:50
Steve
Ooh.
00:41:54
popculturediner
Daniel or whatever, you know, it's like, and Daniel stuck around way too long and paradise way too long.
00:41:55
Steve
Mm-hmm Way too long.
00:41:59
popculturediner
He way overstate his welcome, but you know, it's like, yeah, you see people like that and you're just kind of like, Oh God.
00:41:59
Steve
Yeah Mm
00:42:05
popculturediner
But it was like every time John Paul Jones was on. Your TV. It was a delight. You just knew it was gonna be a good time.
00:42:11
Steve
-hmm Oh,
00:42:14
popculturediner
He's a theater kid He was so fun.
00:42:17
Steve
yeah, oh my god you now you said we'll boom and I just had like all these like we'll boom flashbacks
00:42:17
popculturediner
Now the bad thing is I'm sorry I hate it to a move but it's like you stick around but I mean the problem with John Paul Jones was he stuck around too long and then he became the villain I mean, I still think people like him. I I think they understand that like it was a weird edit or whatever but um I also don't think
00:42:33
Steve
Yeah. And no one's going to stand here and be like, he's not emotionally stunted at all. Like clearly.
00:42:39
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, it was just like, OK, maybe a little too much of a good thing, right? Like he just got a little. But he also was the one who like ate the date food ah in paradise, which was one of the funniest things I've ever seen. That's one of my top 10 moments on the show was when I can't remember who he was on a date with, but she had to be like, you can't eat the date food. And he was like, what? And she's like, don't eat the do you don't eat the date food. What are you doing? And it was such a great fourth wall break.
00:43:03
Steve
ah
00:43:05
popculturediner
It was just like so funny.
00:43:06
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:07
popculturediner
Anyway, I'm just saying keep an eye on what Hakim does because I just there's no one else who I think is remotely funny the way he is.
00:43:16
Steve
Yeah. Funny or goofy.
00:43:17
popculturediner
I think he's just naturally like a funny animated guy.
00:43:18
Steve
Yeah.
00:43:21
popculturediner
So just keep.
00:43:22
Steve
Yeah. Animated. That's that's a good way to put it, too.
00:43:24
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.
00:43:25
Steve
he Yeah.
00:43:25
popculturediner
He I really enjoyed him on this date. um And then, OK, and then we got to see Melanie, the snake came out and Dylan gets up and goes, yeah, I can I can step in and I can do that picture with Jen, even though he like ah we find out later he doesn't even like snakes. But then he wraps it around like it's like a really cool scarf. Like he looked very stylish with that snake.
00:43:51
Steve
Oh, he looked great. And the picture of him, I've never seen a man look more beautiful and he's got a steak wrapped around his neck.
00:43:53
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:43:57
Steve
I was like, how do you do that?
00:43:58
popculturediner
Dylan, yeah, favorite.
00:43:58
Steve
Someone just tells me to stand still. Like by if I, if you were to take like a headshot of me, I'd be like, ah like I could, I can't.
00:44:03
popculturediner
Yeah, he was so natural.
00:44:04
Steve
I know.
00:44:05
popculturediner
Like, yeah, it's like, Yeah, paying for med school with modeling on the side, Dylan, what's going on?
00:44:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:10
popculturediner
Maybe, could be.
00:44:10
Steve
I guess so. Yeah.
00:44:12
popculturediner
um and then And then he gets pulled aside and he gets, now this was kind of a surprise because they, I feel like they don't do this a lot anymore in like newer seasons, but he got like a whole like dinner time date for putting on this snake and all the other men had to go home
00:44:26
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:44:32
popculturediner
And they they were like walking home in their little outback outfits and they were like so sad.
00:44:32
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:35
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:44:37
popculturediner
and They came home like
00:44:37
Steve
Like a bunch of sad little
Dylan's Confidence and Insecurity
00:44:39
popculturediner
dejected.
00:44:39
Steve
wallabies.
00:44:39
popculturediner
They were like, wait we we got kicked out on Dylan's on the date without us. And they're like, you better give us more time at the cocktail party. You you better promise.
00:44:48
Steve
Yeah.
00:44:49
popculturediner
You better promise we get time.
00:44:49
Steve
Yeah, this is this is where they tried to form like the bro union and they're like, okay, we're all gonna we're all goingnna give each other time.
00:44:53
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:44:56
Steve
which I guess works if everybody agrees, but we we know one little rascal who's not gonna agree to that.
00:45:03
popculturediner
You know, it's like game theory, right? It's like it's like, ah you know, we have this pile of money and if everybody refuses to take it, then you all split it. But if one person decides to take it, then they take everything. And if two people decide to take it, then we burn the money up.
00:45:18
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:45:18
popculturediner
It's that kind of a thing, you know. So um but yeah, so we get this little one on one time with Dylan. um My only note on the date was I don't understand the gingham tablecloth, but whatever.
00:45:29
Steve
Mhm.
00:45:30
popculturediner
Um, I was just like, I just feel like this is diminishing the stylishness of the state, but okay. Um, and Dylan's like, his parents got married in within six months of knowing each other. So he's kind of like, listen, I know it can happen fast. I know when you know, you know, so like I'm, this isn't like that weird to me or whatever. And he wants to like, uh, model his marriage after his, uh, parents. And I mean, it seemed like a good. A good day. Dylan talked about feeling insecure and I'm like, you literally nothing to be insecure about ever. ah You seem perfect. So I don't know. um But yeah, then then we go like we're kind of going back and forth and we're like with the other men and they're like, OK, yeah, this is what we're doing. Like ah the men who came home, they're going to get first time with Jen and then everybody else can get in line. And Devin was just like, well, I'm not going to fall back to the end of the line for you.
00:46:27
popculturediner
Like what?
00:46:27
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:46:28
popculturediner
And then he ended up saying something like, well, I'll respect your time. But he didn't say, so I'm going to go after or I'm going to go at the end or anything like like he just said, well, I'll respect your time. You know, so like the later they get mad at him about this, but he was just like, no, I'm not going to I'm not going to go to the end. And then there's like this whole other round of Aaron and Devin again.
The Fake Book Drama
00:46:54
popculturediner
And Aaron said, Dylan, again.
00:46:59
popculturediner
And then, um, and then he's like, well, listen, listen, Devin, I think you need this, this book. And it was something like the principles of self growth or something like that. And he handed it to him and he's like, why don't you just read that?
00:47:13
Steve
Nerd.
00:47:13
popculturediner
And I'm like, you also suck. like Devin sucks, but he is upfront about sucking.
00:47:17
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:20
popculturediner
but to like and and like i After the show, I like Taylor. I'm not dogging on her, but when she she i think also knows that it was like a weird edit bad moment when she was like harping on about emotional intelligence and kind of like talking down to people like they don't understand it.
00:47:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:47:35
popculturediner
like That was a weird way to be she like since then, I think has not a lot of cool things to like make up for it. But it was just like you just even if it's true, and obviously she's had training and education and she has experience and she knows what she's talking about to a certain degree. But it's like even if that's true, you're going about it in a way that just feels really shitty. And and like, I wonder what that book fully was.
00:47:58
Steve
Yeah.
00:48:02
popculturediner
Hold on. Oh, and I haven't been able to watch the love versions. love virgins podcast yet.
00:48:08
Steve
heh
00:48:09
popculturediner
I'm sure people are still curious from last week. This kind of came fast and furious. Let's see. Oh, okay. Um, yes, yes. Um, okay. So there's a screen rant article about Aaron. Um, I will add this to the show notes so as well. If I remember because this This is like I'm like already. I'm like, this is a good ah title. It says Aaron Herb's book is the most obvious case of producer manipulation in Bachelorette history.
00:48:37
Steve
heh
00:48:38
popculturediner
Proof the show doesn't care about Jen Tran. Yeah, that they're prioritizing drama over her. Well, that's what they always do, though. um But yeah, it's called The Principles of Self Wait. Oh, it's not a real book.
00:48:57
Steve
What?
00:48:59
Steve
It's a, it's a fake book. Like the ones, like the ones when you go to Ikea, they have the books on the shelf, but they're not real.
00:49:05
popculturediner
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
00:49:07
Steve
So this is, this is literally just like a producer prop.
00:49:10
popculturediner
Breaking news, and breaking news. Oh, oh my God.
00:49:14
Steve
That's so weird.
00:49:16
popculturediner
Oh, oh my God. Okay, now, it's not real.
00:49:18
Steve
So did he think that was like a giant own or something, and then he's but it's not even real and it's not even his book? that's I don't even know how to process this.
00:49:26
popculturediner
I'm literally looking for it.
00:49:28
Steve
well
00:49:31
popculturediner
Isn't really not real?
00:49:36
popculturediner
looking for and i can't I mean, there's like this guy who's an attorney and attorneys like to write books. So I'm like just peeking through just to see, you know, because it could be like a small book that somebody who knows somebody wrote, you know, no, he's talking.
00:49:53
Steve
Yeah. But is it on Amazon?
00:49:55
popculturediner
He writes about he writes about planning for a digital estate and commercial financing for murders and acquisitions.
00:49:55
Steve
If it's not on Amazon, it's not real.
00:50:00
popculturediner
This is not the same brand in O'Connor. OK, yeah, this is wild. This is wild.
00:50:06
Steve
I can't believe it's a fake book.
00:50:08
popculturediner
I'm glad I wrote down the name of the book, because yeah, I was like, I was like, because I kind of figured, you know, a guy like that would do, you know, what, like the seven habits of highly effective people or something like that.
00:50:21
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:50:21
popculturediner
So I was like, I was like, what is this book? um People. Oh, and there was a spelling mistake on the spine. So it was created by producers specifically for the show.
00:50:31
Steve
Not even a good prop.
00:50:34
popculturediner
Principles for self growth. Dr. Brandon O'Connor. Yeah, it says principles for self growth, principles for self growth on the spine.
00:50:40
Steve
priciful
00:50:44
Steve
Oh my God.
00:50:46
popculturediner
How to understand yourself and gain emotional depth.
00:50:46
Steve
Like that's ridiculous, right? Like what?
00:50:52
popculturediner
Dr. Brandon O'Connor. They made it for the show.
00:50:59
Steve
That's so weird.
00:51:00
popculturediner
I'm shocked. Wow. Wow.
00:51:07
Steve
Yeah.
00:51:07
popculturediner
OK, anyway, that's wild that they couldn't even use a real book.
00:51:11
Steve
Wow.
00:51:13
popculturediner
Was it like, oh, well, we didn't get clear? No one decided they didn't want to sponsor this. So we're not going to use a real book. We're not going to give anybody free promo.
00:51:21
Steve
Yeah, I guess so.
00:51:22
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, we had, a you know, we had like Eric, you know, way back in the day, talk about who moved my cheese.
00:51:23
Steve
That's so weird.
00:51:30
Steve
Mm-hmm Yeah, that's so weird and That's I mean literally down to the book down to the book Wow that is wild
00:51:31
popculturediner
Wow. Wow. That really kind of changes even more in my mind. That's what I'm saying. When I say Aaron is manufactured, that's what I mean. That's what I mean. Holy shit. My instincts are dead on and I should really trust them more. Yeah. Yeah. There's in in no.
00:52:02
popculturediner
in no universe would I let somebody do that to me, and like a producer. If they're like, yeah, why don't you give someone a fake book?
00:52:08
Steve
No.
00:52:10
popculturediner
I'd be like, absolutely not, no.
00:52:12
Steve
Yeah, no.
00:52:13
popculturediner
And you can always say no. You just might not get as much air time, you know, but you can always say no.
00:52:17
Steve
Oh, that's so weird.
00:52:19
popculturediner
Wow, okay, so but get this. Okay, this is also, I forgot about this. Okay, remember Bennett, Bennett Jordan?
00:52:27
Steve
Mm hmm. Yeah.
00:52:29
popculturediner
Okay, fancy Bennett.
00:52:31
Steve
Mm hmm.
00:52:31
popculturediner
Someone who definitely had a very distinct look, but it did not feel manufactured. It's like, no, this is just who he is.
00:52:37
Steve
No, he was finance bro to his core.
00:52:40
popculturediner
He is just yeah, I'm looking for you.
00:52:41
Steve
Like, six, five blue eyes with a trust fund.
00:52:42
popculturediner
Fine. Yeah.
00:52:45
popculturediner
Yeah. Trust fund six.
00:52:47
Steve
That's him.
00:52:49
popculturediner
That's That's 100% Bennett. Although I think he has brown eyes. But anyway, so he gave Noah a book in season 16.
00:52:52
Steve
Yeah.
00:52:57
popculturediner
I did not remember this at all.
00:52:58
Steve
Oh yeah. On, on emotional intelligence. so
00:53:01
popculturediner
Yeah, what was it? I'm looking right now. So he's like, OK, this is wild. Yeah, it was called Unemotional Intelligence. That was the book and which.
00:53:11
Steve
And he was like, I carry this wherever I go or something like that.
00:53:14
popculturediner
which no one needed that. I completely forgot about this. um And he goes, there's four components of emotional intelligence, self-awareness, self-management, social awareness and relationship management. He thought that Noah was deficient in all of the categories except for self-management. Same. um Noah called Bennett's gifts fake, but Bennett insisted he wasn't talking down to him. He told them that he didn't have emotional intelligence at his age. Bennett informed him that the book would be very helpful, but Noah wasn't impressed. Bennett said, I'm not trying to belittle you.
00:53:45
popculturediner
I'm literally trying to love you up. He also I loved Bennett.
00:53:47
Steve
ha
00:53:50
popculturediner
He also informed Noah that he didn't think he'd ever end up with Tayshia. True.
00:53:54
Steve
Well, it's not wrong um Maybe Well,
00:53:54
popculturediner
um But but I think that might have been a real book. Because it doesn't say it didn't exist outside of the show. Let me find it it was a blue book called
00:54:06
Steve
at least Bennett was better it was better at selling it because like Mm
00:54:10
popculturediner
And this is a real book on emotional intelligence is a real book.
00:54:13
Steve
-hmm
00:54:14
popculturediner
So just so you know, it's a it's a it's a Harvard Business Review book.
00:54:18
Steve
I can't believe they used to, I'm still stuck on the like fake book thing. i That's so lame.
00:54:24
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, that's just so corny.
00:54:25
Steve
That's so lame.
00:54:27
popculturediner
I can't
Cocktail Party Drama
00:54:28
popculturediner
believe it. um So anyway, ah my flabbers are gasted, as you would say. um I can't I am legitimately surprised by that. OK, so.
00:54:39
Steve
Wow.
00:54:41
popculturediner
um ok Okay, so yeah, so there's the book and whatever. Okay, now we get to the cocktail party. But yeah, that's, for well, I'll have to scour some social media. I did not have a lot of time to do research this week. So um my apologies, I will do better next week. um Will the Outback group get the chats first? No. Devin pulls immediately. He just goes, Jen, can I just, can I grab you for a second? And, and then he's like, and she really does like him. And, and he's talking about like hiding a part of himself and wanting to be himself with her and da da da da.
00:55:12
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:17
popculturediner
And she's like, oh my God, thank you so much.
00:55:19
Steve
Oh, I love how you're being you.
00:55:19
popculturediner
And yeah, it's so fun. Like, what are you talking about? Just be you. It's so good. And then, um, Thomas N comes in swinging and he, and he, and I agree with Devin. He, instead of getting gents attention, he grabs Devin and is like, I got a problem with you, buddy.
00:55:37
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:38
popculturediner
I don't like where this is going.
00:55:39
Steve
Yeah. Wrong. Wrong person to grab. That was like totally the wrong move.
00:55:41
popculturediner
Bad idea. Bad idea. Yeah. And, um, and yeah, he's like, I hear we have a problem. And then someone who said someone was like, Oh no, So, yeah, Devon's like, so what what we have a problem or whatever. And Jen's just like sitting there. She's just like left to sit there like not knowing what to do. So like instead of taking time with one of the men, she's just like sitting there by herself, which is a bad use of her time.
00:56:05
Steve
Yeah.
00:56:06
popculturediner
Who called who politically incorrect? I have a note that just says L.O.L. Politically incorrect. Someone calls one politically incorrect and I was like, what are you talking about? That has nothing to do with what is happening. And I think I think Thomas called Devon politically incorrect.
00:56:18
Steve
it Although the whole thing was weird.
00:56:21
popculturediner
a weird fight yeah
00:56:21
Steve
Cause like he called him that. And then they were like going back and forth. And like, they were like, you're doing a sexism. No, you're doing a sexism. But it's just like, can you both just shut up? but
00:56:33
popculturediner
And Devin was like, listen, I did it out of the kindness of my heart. I went first.
00:56:37
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:56:38
popculturediner
Honestly, this was like an A1 gas light. He's like, I took, I took the time first so that nobody felt impeded by Devin because everybody feels impeded by Devin.
00:56:41
Steve
Oh.
00:56:46
Steve
It's amazing.
00:56:47
popculturediner
So I did it first. And I was like, wow, that's actually a really, that's like a good strategy.
00:56:50
Steve
This is like some.
00:56:54
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:56:54
Steve
it's It's like real housewife level, like not understanding what reality is or like molding reality to fit what you want it to be.
00:57:01
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:57:03
Steve
it's Yeah, literally just like, oh no, yeah I took it first for you guys. I was looking out for you.
00:57:09
popculturediner
I don't know why I just thought about like the Beverly Hills dinner where, you know, like Eileen gets called a beast and they're all like breaking glass and stuff.
00:57:10
Steve
What?
00:57:17
popculturediner
I don't know. My brain just like went there for a second. Was that in the Netherlands or something like that? Remember that? It was a wild dinner.
00:57:22
Steve
Yes, that was what you just, they're all doing it.
00:57:24
popculturediner
I'll never forget that. But I thought the thing, the weird thing is the only version I remember now is the ASMR version because someone did like an ASMR version of them all with sprays. So, when I watch the fight, they're just all whispering. It's amazing. Anyway, so, yeah, so, okay, so then, and then Ginger Sam is not lover Gin Sam, but Ginger Sam is like the first one to say Devin is not here for the right reasons.
00:57:44
Steve
Like that.
00:57:57
popculturediner
and
00:57:57
Steve
There we go. There we go.
00:57:58
popculturediner
and Jeremy, again, like, I feel like Jeremy's totally different than he was in the first episode. So I like him. more Like, he just seems more chill and he's like paying. He's like listening, taking things and not trying to take sides. But he's like, listen, I'm not Devin's biggest fan, but I do think he's straightforward. And um and I, you know, I don't think what you did, Thomas, was like a good thing to Devin or Jen. So, yeah. So I was like, yeah, voice of the audience for sure. And then, yeah, Thomas gets mad about Devin and then Jen's like, listen, uh, you can't make decisions for me or take my independence away.
00:58:33
popculturediner
Like, cause he was like, well, but the rules, but there were rules and we were supposed to do it in this order.
00:58:37
Steve
Oh, he loves rules.
00:58:39
popculturediner
And she was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. Like, but if you're deciding like who goes first or who I let take me first, or like you're making decisions for me, I'm not comfortable with that. Like that's not cool. And he was like, well, no, I mean, it wasn't, it wasn't like that. I would just just like, you know, and it was like, well like, I don't know.
00:58:55
Steve
Yeah.
00:58:56
popculturediner
She had a point. She had a really good point.
00:58:57
Steve
No, we had, we had bro code and we were going to all take our five minutes or whatever.
00:59:01
popculturediner
And she was like, but what about me?
00:59:02
Steve
It was like, I don't know.
00:59:03
popculturediner
And it was like and then she's like, yeah, and because you were fighting, then I lost time with men in general. And because she's on the same page with Devin on this, that's bad for the other men. If they try to come up against Devin, it's like not it's going to take a lot to take him down.
00:59:16
Steve
Oh, yeah.
00:59:18
popculturediner
So they should probably just focus on their own relationships. They should not try to take him on.
00:59:22
Steve
And they won't.
00:59:23
popculturediner
No. And unless they have a very coordinated attack against him, that it's not going to work. It's just he he's going to become impenetrable pretty quickly.
00:59:32
Steve
Yep.
00:59:34
popculturediner
So they need to they need to just focus on their own stuff. I know they won't. um But yeah, so then, yeah, so Ginger Sam gets time with Jen. She's like, oh, I flustered around you. And he's like, I want to fluster you because you bother me.
00:59:48
Steve
I love Sam's reaction to the whole Devin thing too, which is like, I mean, not to jump too far ahead.
00:59:53
popculturediner
Yeah.
00:59:55
Steve
I think it's like one of the last like shots or whatever, but he's just like, yeah, I'm going to kill him.
00:59:58
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:00:00
Steve
so Okay.
01:00:00
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:00:01
Steve
Great.
01:00:01
popculturediner
Yeah. I mean, I don't like, I don't like him. I don't like Sam. but There's a lot of people. I just like, there's a lot of people I like and there's a lot of people I don't like and I don't have a lot of neutral feelings. Um, so anyway, but yeah, uh, I, I'm not really liking him, but yeah, he, he's just like, I was weird when he was like, he was like, well, I'm glad I flustered you because you bother me. And she was like, I bother you. And he's like, well, like, like hot and bad, but like, anyway, no,
01:00:24
Steve
he doesn't He doesn't know what words mean. This is the same one where she's like, I want a ferocious love. And he's like, yeah, reckless love.
01:00:32
popculturediner
A reckless love. And I'm like, that sounds, yeah.
01:00:33
Steve
Like, no, not the same.
01:00:35
popculturediner
Like, it's like Brando territory. I don't know. That makes me nervous, you know? um Yeah, so so that that was odd. um and then um And then I just said, Devin is apologizing for being himself or whatever. Those were my notes. um And then, oh, then Jonathan gets some one-on-one time, and I i do think he's the the guy on the show right now with the best eye contact.
01:01:02
Steve
Hmm.
01:01:03
popculturediner
And it's like not too intense. Like he's just got the exact right amount of eye contact. And of course they kiss. um Oh, and then Spencer, I think we're going to see more of him next week. I think he gets a one on one next week. They kiss. um But then there's still more drama. Thomas N is outside. He's complaining. Devon is coming at him. This is the whole thing. And then. And then, OK, but here's what I'm going to say. I feel like Thomas threw in a lot more swears and a lot more like violent language, but Devon was taunting him.
01:01:34
popculturediner
I don't think either of them were in the right.
01:01:35
Steve
Yeah.
01:01:36
popculturediner
But Thomas was like, ah like, well, you know, you could i I could beat your ass, you know, and I'm like, OK, is that necessary?
01:01:36
Steve
No.
01:01:41
Steve
No.
01:01:44
popculturediner
And then.
01:01:44
Steve
Also, I firmly believe with every fiber of my being that Thomas has never been in a physical altercation in his entire life, which is perfectly fine.
01:01:51
popculturediner
I mean, yeah.
01:01:53
Steve
But also, when you when you say I'm going to beat your ass, it's not it's not coming from a place of sincerity.
01:01:54
popculturediner
I was just like, what's this big talk? He's like, you wanna get your ass beat? And Devin was like, Devin was like, please.
01:01:59
Steve
Grr!
01:02:02
popculturediner
Like he was just like, come on. And he was like, I just, and i I don't, I think what he was saying was disingenuous when he was like, I just wanna talk. I just wanna talk, let's just talk. I'm like, I don't really believe you. um But I do think he was trying to smooth things over. I don't think he wanted things to blow up the way that they did. But it's not cause he wants to, unlike Maria, It's not because he wants to make things right in the house and form good relationships because she was trying to smooth things over because she's like, we should all get along in the house.
01:02:26
Steve
Mm hmm.
01:02:30
popculturediner
Like there's a no we're all have to be in this house together. We should like each other. That's not why he's doing it. He's doing it because he's like, I want to smooth things over so that no one gets in my way. So it's like a very different motivation, in my opinion.
01:02:42
Steve
Yeah, yeah, agreed.
01:02:44
popculturediner
Um, but yeah, so, uh, yeah, it was just weird. Cause I feel like Thomas, um, took it up to a place that didn't need to go. I don't think Devin was doing anything that would get you that mad now fully believe that there could have been things where he was like, poke in the bear and producers didn't share, you know, like there's things that could have been going on that either didn't get captured or they just chose not to share it, edit it, you know, whatever.
01:03:02
Steve
Mm-hmm. Yeah.
01:03:11
popculturediner
Um, so we'll hear more, I'm guessing about these altercations at the mental. We'll hear a lot about Devin. So.
01:03:17
Steve
Oh yeah.
01:03:18
popculturediner
Um, but I will say drama with the men is always juicier than drama with the women. The bachelorette is always way more dramatic than the bachelor, except for Katie season where they were all best friends and everybody cried and I cried every episode and I was like, this is amazing.
01:03:25
Steve
Yeah. Oh gosh.
01:03:32
Steve
They love these men Oh,
01:03:33
popculturediner
This is the best season ever. I still think, I mean, I put them all in a pedestal. I think they're the best. Um, but yeah, this was weird. Um, what's his face? What was it? Brian? What's the guy who looks like he used car salesman and isn't a set. Was it Brian?
01:03:46
Steve
oh yeah, that's that oh do are you talking about the guy who looks like he's like a nefarious trombone player in a ska band That's yeah, that's Brian Ott's.
01:03:51
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah. Brian.
01:03:52
Steve
Yeah
01:03:53
popculturediner
Yeah. Here's the thing that's weird about
Contestants Advancing and Exiting
01:03:55
popculturediner
Brian. We didn't hear a peep out of him in this episode.
01:03:58
Steve
No, he didn't say anything.
01:03:59
popculturediner
There was like that tension with him and Jeremy and then
01:04:00
Steve
And he also didn't make it past this week. So, uh, Austin.
01:04:02
popculturediner
Right. There was like the attention with him and Jeremy. And then it's like we start to see more of Jeremy and he's like being more normal. And then we don't hear anything from Brian. It was just really interesting. um And then OK, so then I got most of the names of the people who got through like um Hakim, ah that mullet guy was his name, Austin. ah
01:04:24
Steve
Yep.
01:04:25
popculturediner
Spencer, Jeremy, Jonathan, John, Thomas A, I literally forgot he existed, Sam M, Devon, Sam N, Love Virgin, Aaron, and then the final rose goes to Thomas N. So really the only person that I remember was Brian going home. There were a couple other guys that went home, but I literally don't remember them at all.
01:04:43
Steve
Yeah. So the fellas, the fellas, we said goodbye to this week.
01:04:47
popculturediner
Oh, you're being so nice.
01:04:48
Steve
We lost, we lost we lost three soldiers. ah Brian Aunts, nefarious trombone player in a ska band slash guy who, I don't know, fake stole keys from a car that didn't actually belong to someone, whatever.
01:05:02
popculturediner
Right.
01:05:03
Steve
He's gone. See you on Paradise, buddy. ah Jahan, who I believe you said he seems nice.
01:05:07
popculturediner
Oh, yeah. I thought he had potential.
01:05:10
Steve
Well, he seems like he's gone.
01:05:12
popculturediner
I'm sorry, I forgot about him already.
01:05:14
Steve
Yeah. And then Marvin.
01:05:17
popculturediner
Oh, Marvin.
01:05:18
Steve
Oh, Marvin, who none of us do.
01:05:18
popculturediner
Mm hmm. I don't really remember him a lot either. Yeah, I did.
01:05:22
Steve
ah Gone, but also forgotten.
01:05:23
popculturediner
We even talked to him once. Yeah, we didn't talk about him last week.
01:05:26
Steve
No, I don't think any of us, he has a very nice smile, a beautiful smile. And I'm sure he's a but fine
Upcoming Show Events and Predictions
01:05:33
Steve
human being, but he didn't talk to anyone.
01:05:34
popculturediner
It's even in his bio. His smile is even in his bio.
01:05:37
Steve
His bio says he's got a good smile.
01:05:39
popculturediner
Yes, he's a luxury event planner in Santa Monica. Cha-ching, get you a guy who can do it all. He's the CEO of his own company. He loves his family and he has a handsome smile to match. He considers himself a romantic and is looking for a wife who has sugar, spice, and everything nice. Open communication and strong family values are very important to Marvin.
01:05:57
Steve
How lovely.
01:06:00
popculturediner
He's hoping to start a family soon and is ready to create a legacy with his future soulmate. Martin loves the luxurious things in life, like always being GQ ready, but also down to go camping and explore nature. Talk about versatility. Marvin is confident his future wife is out there and is hoping it's Jen. I'm sorry. It's not um Yeah He was born in Cameroon.
01:06:17
Steve
It's unfortunate. It's not, not this time around, buddy.
01:06:21
popculturediner
He speaks French fluently. Wait, did he speak French in the opening when he met Jen?
01:06:26
Steve
Yep. Yep. French guy.
01:06:28
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, and he dreams yeah, well that little part um He dreams of buying a beachside mansion in Malibu and he's well on his way He's well on his way.
01:06:28
Steve
There we go. Now it's all coming back to you. yeah
01:06:39
Steve
Good for you, buddy.
01:06:39
popculturediner
So hey, you know, maybe he'll show up on paradise.
01:06:40
Steve
Good for you.
01:06:42
popculturediner
He's cute. He's a catch clearly so Yeah, he's got a real job
01:06:43
Steve
who he'll He'll either show up on paradise or he will buy his own paradise in Malibu. He'll buy the bachelor mansion and then rent it out.
01:06:51
popculturediner
He's not just an entrepreneur, like he's got a job, so that's good.
01:06:54
Steve
Yeah. Man with job.
01:06:55
popculturediner
um Yeah, he owns businesses. um So anyway, ah so okay, then let's see. Okay, loud guy's going home, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't remember any of the other guys. Of course, Devin grabs the chance for cheers at the end. And then and then Sam M is like, he's a fucking snake.
01:07:11
Steve
course
01:07:16
popculturediner
And, and then, okay. Yeah. So this is great. See, okay. This will be our next next week. We'll have another chance for a John Paul Jones moment with Hakim. Cause he's
Future Bonus Episode Plans
01:07:25
popculturediner
going on that racing date or as part of a group date with racing, but they had him in the, in the, you know, preview for next week. And he's like, wow, this is so fast. You know? So i'm the I'm just saying, I think he's the comedic relief this season.
01:07:35
Steve
Of course.
01:07:38
popculturediner
And then they're doing like some thunder down under something. Spencer looks like he gets a one-on-one ah and Aaron's probably going to decide to be a snitch, which I think will lead to his downfall.
01:07:49
Steve
Yep. There you go.
01:07:49
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:07:50
Steve
That sounds like a good prediction.
01:07:50
popculturediner
I think he's really just such a pawn. Um, so.
01:07:55
Steve
Also there's, there's like a preview and I don't know if this is like a c Colt and jumping defense thing where they're going to show us this every single week until it happens. Like right before the season's over, but there's something where Jen's like, get out.
01:08:03
popculturediner
Uh-huh.
01:08:06
Steve
Like some guy gets kicked out of the, of everything. So I'm wondering who that's going to be.
01:08:09
popculturediner
Yeah, it'll probably happen in like three weeks.
01:08:13
Steve
Probably they can't, they can't give us that to us that soon. So, uh,
01:08:16
popculturediner
No, no. Yeah, they're like, nobody gets kicked out right now. um Yeah, I wonder, well, at this point, who do you think would get kicked out?
01:08:26
Steve
Um, I mean, my heart says Devin, uh, but I'm hoping it's someone that we're not even considering. Like I hope I'm hoping it's someone who's just like, got a wife at home. Cause that's always fun. Not even a girlfriend.
01:08:39
popculturediner
That's not fun.
01:08:40
Steve
I want a straight up wife.
01:08:42
popculturediner
That's not fun. It's just like how little research do you do?
01:08:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:08:46
popculturediner
you You probe into all of their insecurities, all of their fears, you know, to put a spider on Hakimah and he'll freak out.
01:08:47
Steve
Yeah. It's not good.
01:08:55
popculturediner
But heaven forbid you make sure that they're not booed up in any way.
01:08:59
Steve
Oh, and sometimes I think they know and they're like, oh, we're going to keep him.
01:09:03
popculturediner
Yeah, I think so too. I think so too. I mean, we should OK. I still want to do the book. I promise sometime this summer I'll do the I'm not here to make friends book review. It it is coming. I swear. um But at some point in between seasons, we should watch the first season of unreal and do like a season one unreal summary. yeah have You've watched it, right? Or you haven't.
01:09:30
Steve
Yes, I've seen it before. I haven't watched it fully, but I've seen it.
01:09:31
popculturediner
Yeah. The first season,
Personal Updates and Gossip
01:09:34
popculturediner
I think is really, I mean, the second season's okay, but the first season's like really worth watching.
01:09:39
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:09:40
popculturediner
Um, and I think it would be a fun, like bonus episode to to do so.
01:09:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:09:44
popculturediner
And everyone, uh, tomorrow, tomorrow, today or tomorrow, I'll be getting an email if I got chosen for a jilly box.
01:09:44
Steve
Love it.
01:09:51
popculturediner
So, Oh wait, no, it's next week, next week, next Wednesday.
01:09:53
Steve
Oh, my God. Oh, wow. You're worse than the Bachelor where they teased something that we don't get it for weeks.
01:09:58
popculturediner
Sorry. So I might, well, and I will get the jilly box until like September or whatever, but I'll be using the travel bag. What do I have it by me? That weekender bag I got. I'll be using that very soon and I'll be using this with my new purse.
01:10:11
Steve
Hey, there you go.
01:10:15
popculturediner
So I'm making use out of all the stuff I got.
01:10:17
Steve
There you go.
01:10:18
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:10:18
Steve
And hey, real quick, before we wrap up, I do have a little bit of bachelor gossip.
01:10:20
popculturediner
Yes. Ooh. Okay. What's the bachelor gossip?
01:10:24
Steve
It's, it's not that great. So, you know, uh, Jason Tartik and Caitlin Bristow, they were dating, they broke up and apparently Jason's got a new girlfriend.
01:10:25
popculturediner
Oh,
01:10:30
popculturediner
Yes.
01:10:34
popculturediner
Yeah, Kat.
01:10:36
Steve
Cat Stickler. And I don't, I don't know who that is.
01:10:38
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:10:39
Steve
It's a TikTok person.
01:10:39
popculturediner
She's like TikTok famous. Yeah. she Um.
01:10:42
Steve
What does she do? What's her thing?
01:10:45
popculturediner
I don't know a lot about Kat.
01:10:45
Steve
Dances?
01:10:46
popculturediner
No, it's more like comedy, I guess. But like, so Kat was with somebody.
01:10:50
Steve
Okay.
01:10:53
popculturediner
They broke up. I don't know if they were married. I think they were. Sorry, TikTok people yelling at me. She's not in on my for you page ever. Um, but I do know a little bit, but like she was a single mom for a while. And so she did a lot of like life as a single mom. Isn't it so funny and calamitous type of content.
01:11:11
Steve
Mm-hmm. I get it.
01:11:14
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:11:14
Steve
No, I don't actually, but yeah.
01:11:14
popculturediner
Her, her mom's kind of like an almond mom. Um, so she kind of does like some almond mom content. And, um, the thing that I think one of the things that people think is weird is, um,
01:11:21
Steve
and Okay.
01:11:27
popculturediner
I mean, I don't think Kat and Caitlin look that much like each other, but some people say that they do or like, well, if you if you kind of like if you're scrolling really fast, they look the same. I don't totally buy that.
01:11:40
Steve
i not um
01:11:41
popculturediner
But I don't know a lot about like the drama between the two of them. What I heard was like it sounded like Jason wanted to do more than Caitlin wanted to do. Like he wanted a podcast, but she didn't want that or something. I don't know. It was something. It was something that didn't even sound right to me when I heard it.
01:12:03
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:04
popculturediner
um So I don't know what what that whole stuff was about.
01:12:05
Steve
I love, I love breaking up with someone cause they don't want a podcast with me. That's, that's all I got.
01:12:08
popculturediner
I mean, I've done it now.
01:12:12
popculturediner
No, I yeah, I don't know. It was. Did did you hear any more or was that the limit of the gas? Oh, OK.
01:12:18
Steve
Yeah. The goss was they were, they were spotted on the red carpet. That's it. That's all I got.
01:12:22
popculturediner
Yeah, yeah, I don't know a lot about it. I mean, I'm kind of like protective of Caitlyn Bristow, like maybe against my better judgment, but I'm just like always protective of her.
01:12:28
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:12:31
popculturediner
And I feel like people rag on her for a lot of like really inane reasons. And so I just feel like I'm always team her. But I don't know the full the full drama. um A lot of people on TikTok are team Kat.
01:12:43
Steve
Yeah.
01:12:46
popculturediner
Now that could just be
01:12:50
popculturediner
because she's on TikTok a lot and she's younger.
01:12:55
Steve
Yeah, that makes sense.
01:12:55
popculturediner
I don't know.
01:12:57
Steve
i yeah I have no idea.
01:12:57
popculturediner
I'm not sure.
01:12:58
Steve
i guess
Closing Remarks and Outro
01:12:59
Steve
I guess it seems like they've been dating for a while now, but I don't know.
01:13:02
popculturediner
yeah But they they didn't like do a hard launch until later or whatever.
01:13:03
Steve
ah i yeah i Yeah, I don't understand celebrity things. Whatever, I'm sure she's nice.
01:13:10
popculturediner
Yeah.
01:13:12
Steve
He's got great abs. Like what else can you ask for? I hope they're happy. Even though I'm a Caitlin Bristow guy in my heart.
01:13:17
popculturediner
Yeah, I mean, that's the thing. It's like I'm kind of going to support her come hell or high water and and maybe that's bad. But we all have our problematic faves.
01:13:27
Steve
Yeah, it's all right.
01:13:27
popculturediner
So, you know, and she's mine.
01:13:28
Steve
Don't worry about it.
01:13:28
popculturediner
So. All right. Well, cool. um Well, that being said, everybody, um well take care. Be safe. Be good. um Don't do anything I wouldn't do. um And, you know, you can jump out of a plane if you want, because that's something I would do.
01:13:47
Steve
But don't do needle drugs!
01:13:50
popculturediner
Can you hear it this time?
01:13:50
Steve
Please. Yeah, I can hear it this time, so it's not weird.
01:13:52
popculturediner
Okay.
01:13:55
Steve
It's normal. Not weird. It's normal. Not weird. Not weird. It's normal. Normal. Just a couple of normal people. podcasts podcasts Podcast. Podcast. Podcast.
01:14:10
popculturediner
Yeah, it's like you stick around for after the trailer, you know.