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This week Chris and Garrett are chatting the WWE Cody doc, the Bam Bam Bigelo Dark Side of The Ring, Pee Wee Herman and more!
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Introduction and Technical Hiccups
00:00:35
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined to Pro Wrestling. Hang out, I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, my little guy, Chris Miggs. Hey, you're my little guy. We're each other's little guy. Well, we're willing to trade. Well, to be fair, we're faxes little guys. We're faxes little guys. Zendcaster's our little guy.
00:00:58
Speaker
Now after we just got a fucking spanking tonight for what it did to us. We had technical difficulties trying to record for the last 40 minutes, but, uh, we're here with you. We're here with you this week. We're excited. Well, and it's perfect because we ended up talking about like concert tickets for about 40 minutes. And just as we were about to transition into talking about wrestling.
00:01:18
Speaker
I was like, let's check if Zencast was working now. And turns out it is. Yay. So you get a show this week.
WrestleCrate Highlights
00:01:25
Speaker
You're welcome. Yeah. We were talking about because there's a summer slam is going to happen soon.
00:01:31
Speaker
But yes, I'm actually gonna crack open this Corona with an item and I'm gonna ask you a question as I do this. So the bottle opener that I just used is a Best Friends coaster slash bottle opener that I got out of a, like a wrestle crate at some point. Have you ever gotten anything out of a wrestle crate that is actually part of your like life now? I use this all the time.
00:02:01
Speaker
I will say any of the bottle openers I've gotten those do, and I've gotten some weird ones over the years. There's like a, a Greg, the hammer Valentine, like hammer one. That's pretty fun. That entertains me. Um, I, let's see, what else have I gotten out of there that I use? Um, I briefly used some rock and roll express, uh, headphones, not headphones, ear, earbuds. Cause rock and roll, rock and roll. Right.
00:02:27
Speaker
I think I had those too. Yeah, I think they made a lot of those. I feel like I got those, if there were random things, I feel like I got, I think I may own three sets of Rock and Roll Express earbuds. At one point they sent, and I have used this a little bit, a Silas Young Last Real Man pocket knife. What the fuck? Yeah. That's such a bizarre,
00:02:55
Speaker
very brave of WrestleCrate to be sending knives to these people. You people. I think I've definitely used a couple of band-aids out of the Sabu first aid kit they sent. That's amazing. That's a good one. Those are actually my favorite things. It's like, look, I've got enough t-shirts. I definitely don't need anyone signed 8x10 photo.
00:03:16
Speaker
or their sticker or whatever, but, um, you know, if you give me random stuff, I do like, I like the little micro brawlers that come in the pro wrestling crates. I actually, um, I went to see last week, I went to see O'Teal Burbridge, who is the bassist in dead and company used to be the basis in the almond brothers. Um, and I love his, he has a, I know you may be, if you enjoy podcast content,
00:03:45
Speaker
which you might be if you're listening to me talk in this right now. He has a podcast called Comes a Time and it's terrific. It's they talk about to musicians and all sorts of other people about like mental health and
00:03:56
Speaker
life's journeys, it's a really interesting and thoughtful thing. I'm a member of their- Like this one. Yeah, it's this one. They talk about, it's different drugs. They don't talk about, they talk about like psychedelics and not cocaine, but it's a very similar thing. Also through penis holes, what can I say? And so I remember their Patreon and there's two hosts, but the producer does a lot of stuff on the Patreon. He's like, hey, I'm going to be at O'Teal show on Friday night.
00:04:26
Speaker
And I was like, Hmm, okay. And, and, but OTL has also over the last year become, he's a newly converted wrestling fan, loves eighties wrestling, loves like, you know, watching shoot interviews. And so I was like, huh, I should bring, he submenses about the macho man. I was like, I have all these macho man micro brawlers.
Macho Man Story with O'Teal Burbridge
00:04:47
Speaker
I should bring him one.
00:04:50
Speaker
And I went to the show, I met the podcast producer, talked to him for a couple minutes and said, hey, can you give this to O'Teal? And he messaged me back later and was like, O'Teal loved the Macha Man action. So thank you, WrestleCrate, for like, me ending up with a couple of those and being like, I should just give one of these to one of my favorite musicians.
00:05:17
Speaker
I wonder how the same would go if I tried to give this little Jeff Cobb that's in the drawer next to me to Charlie XCX's manager. And I'm like, can you make sure Charles gets this? Today is her birthday. The day of this record is her birthday. And this is your gift. And does she love Jeff Cobb? I hope so.
00:05:47
Speaker
If it turns out, I would love to know which of our favorite musicians loves Jeff Cobb.
00:05:55
Speaker
I, thinking back on like musicians that do like wrestling, cause I was like, who's most likely? Um, if, do you ever listen to the band waves? There were a favorite of mine in college and honestly up till now still listen to waves, but there was a point in my twenties when I was in LA that waves played there all the time. They lived there and he had like some side projects and stuff.
00:06:21
Speaker
And he was a big wrestling fan. He got way back into WWE around the same time I was getting back into it.
00:06:31
Speaker
I was at a show at the Echo, and a guy walked by his sick Dean Ambrose shirt, man. I was like, thanks. And then when the band entered the stage, whatever his side project was that night, they came out to the DX theme, and then they started the set by going, this song's dedicated to the guy out there in the Dean Ambrose shirt. Damn!
00:07:01
Speaker
So maybe, maybe Nathan from waves is a Jeff Cobb fan, but I don't, I don't know about it. I think he just liked WWE at the time. Yeah, but I, no, I assume though, if he loves that, maybe he's, he's followed, he's watches, he's certainly a big mocks fan. Right. And, uh, at this point, yeah, maybe he's now who isn't, um, we all love him. And so maybe now, yeah, he's just also loves, loves him some Jeff Cobb.
Musicians Who Love Wrestling
00:07:27
Speaker
I mean, fucking, my world's collided last week. One of my favorite podcasts is the Doughboys. They had fucking Samoa Joe on there. And it's really weird when my favorite podcast about chain restaurants now has a man from another part of my life that has to talk about Taco Bell. What was Samoa Joe discussing? Taco Bell? Taco Bell, yeah. What's Samoa Joe's favorite thing at Taco Bell?
00:07:56
Speaker
Um, what did he get? I mean, the Doughboys pay for your items when you're the guest. So I think he got a lot. I mean, honestly, like, he didn't seem too into it. I think a lot of people that if you don't listen to Doughboys and become a guest, you always rate something low.
00:08:13
Speaker
But then you have to realize like they're eating so much garbage food that they're raiding the garbage food amongst all the garbage food and not like against real food. Right. I feel like he gave it a little too low. So, Mojo always seems slightly fancy to me because and I think it's just because he told a story once about drinking his morning tea.
00:08:38
Speaker
And despite the fact that I'm not a fancy person and I drink tea. Yeah. I'm just like, Oh, I guess the Mojo is kind of a bit of a fancy guy. He's a fancy boy shirt and his big shorts. If I ever talked to some Mojo, maybe we'll discuss our favorite morning teas. I like a good Earl gray.
00:09:02
Speaker
Do you have any other musicians that you're a fan of that you know are wrestling fans? The Gaslight Anthem, I think not the main singer, but I think a bunch of the guys in the band are wrestling fans. They always used to put a Wade Barrett figure on their amps. So those guys are definitely wrestling fans. Yeah, I think one of them, he's British, one of them. I think the British guy likes Wade Barrett. I think that's what happened there.
00:09:33
Speaker
Damien from Fucked Up was a big wrestling fan. Anytime I see them, I'm usually wearing something wrestling and he always comments. He definitely knows who Jeff Cobb is, I'll say that. And then Open Mike Eagle, the rapper, is a big wrestling guy. He even had a wrestling podcast for a while. Oh, wow. There you go.
00:09:55
Speaker
Yeah, I'm trying to think there must be others. Others I'm forgetting for sure. But, um, I'd be interested to, I will say that in terms of like things wrestlers like when we had beer city bruiser on our podcast back in the day, Max night, he did select much, much like the doe boys as this is where I was going with this much like the doe boys. We allowed him to select, uh, the beer because he is the beer city bruiser. What we're going to do not have beer for the beer city bruiser. And he picked the end link.
00:10:26
Speaker
Okay, yeah. Yeah, I love I love a good evening. Yeah, it's great. I didn't know if you if it was going to be like a tea situation where it's like, Holy shit, Beer City bruiser is actually he's kind of a fancy boy. Beer City bruiser is like, I'll have a Belgian double. No, he was just like, I'll take the
00:10:54
Speaker
the normal beer that a bunch of people like slightly better than other normal beers, much like myself. I mean, I went to college in Pennsylvania, so yinling tastes like college to me, and it tastes nice. So I'm always- I think I remember many episodes ago learning that that's where this beer originated. I just assumed it was a south thing, but yeah, none of that. Yeah, it's one of the oldest breweries in the country, Pennsylvania, somewhere in, somewhere out in the middle of Pennsylvania.
00:11:25
Speaker
Yeah, good stuff. The bruiser and I- Do you get sad this week at all? I mean, yes. But I was told we weren't going to talk about my job this week, Garrett. I thought we were going to talk about wrestling.
00:11:44
Speaker
No, we're going to talk about mine. No, we lost we lost a legend this week who, you know, like any good legend has been around the world of pro wrestling. Fucking our childhood hero, Peewee Herman. No, indeed, Peewee Herman.
00:12:04
Speaker
I mean, it was interesting to see of the people, the outpouring of love for Pee Wee. Joey Janela, talking about how much he loves Pee Wee. I was a Pee Wee fan as a kid. I feel like that didn't grow with me the same way as it did for some others. So maybe I would talk about,
00:12:28
Speaker
What made you sad about it? I think Pee Wee, like Derek wrote a really nice thing about Pee Wee and how for a lot of us, like it was kind of the first introduction into absurdist comedy almost. And I don't know, it just seemed like a lot of things were like the friends who I had that
00:12:49
Speaker
were sad about it, you could pinpoint like, I bet this person is sad about this, because it's always like the creative weird friends. And I don't know, Peewee was, he was a fucking weirdo, but he was like, I saw something that said he was kind of Mr. Rogers for weirdos. He taught you to be a good person, but be yourself. Yeah, I actually were interested in learning that I never knew that Phil Hartman, in like the original stage version of Peewee's,
00:13:19
Speaker
Funhouse was one of the main characters, because they did groundlings together. You always realize in comedy, it always comes back to some weird group of people that were doing stuff on some weird stage for 20 people, and then some of that stuff just goes away, and some of it becomes legendary comedy material. And I mean, Hartman co-wrote Pee Wee's Big Adventure. Oh, I didn't realize that. I forgot that. Yeah, yeah.
00:13:44
Speaker
The two of them wrote that together, which also he brought a basically unknown filmmaker on to direct it, which was Tim Burton and insisted that Tim Burton do it, which would have been also the first place that Tim Burton and Danny Elfman met.
00:14:00
Speaker
to do a score and they just became basically a team for the next 30 years. But then Pee
Pee-wee Herman's Wrestling Legacy
00:14:09
Speaker
Wee has made plenty of WWE appearances, right? Like I feel like I remember seeing like old WrestleMania stuff with him and like Cindy Lauper. And maybe like Hulk Hogan somewhere, I don't know, but definitely like, especially when he was older, the stuff he did with Big Show, he did some stuff backstage with Dwayne.
00:14:31
Speaker
He had the stuff with the Miz. I don't know, there was fun stuff. Pee-wee Herman was a legend. And you know what? Vince McMahon loves to induct a dead person into the Hall of Fame. So I bet this year we get Pee-wee as the celebrity inductee. Why not? Why not? It's the WWE Hall of Fame. Let's just, you know. It means nothing. Andy Kaufman got in this year. Again, that was my
00:14:58
Speaker
My introduction to absurdist comedy was Andy Kaufman. So why not put another absurdist comedian into the Hall of Fame? Why not? Absolutely. Yeah. Man. Watched a lot of dad stuff this week, huh? Yeah. Watched a couple dad documentaries. Did Cody have a dad? Did he? I don't know. Did he mention that?
00:15:25
Speaker
Did you watch the whole, did you finish the Cody doc? Or did you give up? I quit somewhere after WrestleMania. I think there was still like a half hour left and I was just like, I have, this is basically leading up to me sitting on my couch watching this is where this documentary's headed. Like we're too close into stuff that is currently happening. Like the documentary wasn't actually gonna end. It was live feed of me on the couch watching Cody.
00:15:56
Speaker
Yeah, it was interesting. I mean, the documentary, I thought it was, I thought it was pretty solid. There was a lot of, um, it's on peacock, by the way, for anyone who might not know, um, WWE produced very important to accentuate that produced by Vince McMahon. Um, but a lot of discussion of a w a lot of footage from being the elite. Um,
00:16:20
Speaker
which was just weird to just hear them say the words AEW on a WWE show was really strange.
00:16:29
Speaker
Triple H did get one shot in about how Cody didn't, you know, it didn't mean something if he was at the top of a secondary promotion. Um, but fuck Triple H. So, I mean, who knew? What a cunt. Sorry. Sorry to say that word, but like, it was a real dick move because the being the elite footage, the Bucks would have had to have approved that, right? Yeah. Cody thanked them. Cody thanked the Bucks because, oh, thank you guys for letting me use that footage because it's such an important part of my career.
00:16:59
Speaker
And Triple H is just like, oh, I'm gonna get one in. One. Gotta get one. Fuck you. Fuck you. Dude, they're still fighting wars. They're still fighting WCW wars, man. Don't... This is... They're gonna be making jokes about thrones and stuff like 25 years from now. It's gonna be terrible. It's always gonna be terrible. Maybe you can confirm this. There is Hulk Hogan footage in that.
00:17:29
Speaker
that I am not convinced as part of this documentary. I swear to God, I've seen him wear that exact outfit in an older documentary. And I'm pretty sure they're just cutting footage to make it seem like he's talking about Cody because he's just talking generally vaguely about wrestling. He did. It did seem like it was on topic, but to your point, I don't know if you ever actually says the word Cody. You know, like.
00:17:58
Speaker
I swear to God, I've seen old WWE documentary footage where he's wearing that exact outfit and they just like copy and pasted it. To be fair, the man did wear the same yellow trunks and red knee pads for like 10 years straight. So it's highly possible. He just likes that powder blue shirt and bandana. It looks good on him. It looks good on him. I will say the other thing that I thought was
00:18:30
Speaker
Well, also my wife had seen him with like the dark hair so much and she was like, when did he decide it was okay to go blonde? And he actually addresses that, right? He's like, at a certain point I decided I'd earned it. I'm like, okay. Okay. Sure.
00:18:45
Speaker
There were definitely a few moments in it that I thought were, I don't know, that just kind of caught my attention. Cause they say early on, like they talk about Dusty for like the first 10, 15 minutes. Reasonable, very famous person in pro wrestling. But they specifically talked about how he wasn't a great father. And then he basically retired so that he could raise Cody and Teal.
00:19:15
Speaker
Right. Or the timing was just, but basically he was like, definitely Dustin got the worst dad coat, dusty as dad experience. For sure. And when it shows Cody cutting the best dad promo of his career that got him a job at dusty's funeral, he's standing next to Dustin cutting this promo about how he was the best dad in the entire world and how he was always there.
00:19:42
Speaker
And he never missed birthdays. And like, I just wanted the camera to pan one foot to the right so we can see Dustin just like, not the experience I had. And I guess that's why you're talking. Well, they didn't kind of address that, right? When, when the buildup to the double or nothing match a little bit, they mentioned a couple of things like that. And it's just.
00:20:06
Speaker
Yeah, it works, it works. Well, that's the other thing that I thought was really interesting was they talk a little bit about, you know, Cody, which is a
Cody Rhodes: WWE Documentary Insights
00:20:12
Speaker
famous story, right? That he went out to LA to try to be an actor right after high school. And his acting teacher says, yeah, he took this class in this class. And he also took this other thing, which was about this specific name for the class I'm forgetting, but it's about using your life in
00:20:31
Speaker
Like you're acting like using things from your real life and like being vulnerable to bring things through. And I said out loud, sure. Got his money's worth out of that one. Didn't he? That one really paid off. Basically dusty, dusty pawning his Rolex and giving Cody that, that stack of 10 grand.
00:20:57
Speaker
made so much money, because he learned, he heard that sentence, you know, like. And truly, what would Dusty have wanted more than his son using that to cut some of the best wrestling promos ever? Over and over again. They were better the first time, I get it, it's okay. No, they're still good, you know, like, that's why I like, you know, the Stones aren't going out there to play the new material, they're going out there to play the hits.
00:21:27
Speaker
Cody's coming out here, he's playing, I'm doing it for my dad. You're not going home without getting, I'm doing it for my dad. He actually is vanilla ice in his heyday opening and closing with doing it for my dad. I had a friend who saw vanilla ice during the height of vanilla ice and he opened and closed the show with ice, ice, baby, which is a move.
00:21:49
Speaker
I saw, um, the lumineers on their first tour and they did ho hay twice in the show. Um, I've never, we were talking a little bit off air. We were talking about like concert tickets, prices, and things where we had like maybe got cheaper tickets that were, or had to spend a lot of money on tickets. I've never been so disappointed. I didn't scout my tickets then after the lumineers.
00:22:14
Speaker
Uh, I remember looking at the prices before and going like, Oh man, these tickets were, these were really hot ticket. And a friend of mine was really excited for the show. And I was like, okay, I guess we'll go. And afterwards I was like, man, I, I'd really like that 150 bucks right now. When I saw the Pixies on their first reunion tour in like 2007, something like that. Um,
00:22:42
Speaker
They played where is my mind twice? And I'm pretty sure it's just because they were bored and forgot they had already played it. Like it didn't seem like it was a calculated move. I will say one of the interesting things about and I'm curious to get your thoughts on this. So. One of the things I struggle with a little bit with the Cody stuff over the last year and change. Is that.
00:23:11
Speaker
2017, 2018, 2019 are very meaningful to me as a wrestling fan. 2018 in particular. I think there are years as a wrestling fan that you're kind of always going to want to be in and always go back to. And I think 2018 is going to be one of those for me. I'll live in my mind in 2018, 10 years from now, just watch an old footage. And it is a little weird to
00:23:40
Speaker
hear Cody talk about things sometimes in ways that feel like it recontextualizes my feelings at the time, or the things that he said at the time that were very meaningful. Like when he says in the documentary, you know, WWE, I realized is, is home. And it's like, was it, was it, man? Cause, cause I thought we were building a new thing altogether as fans. You guys obviously most, I'm one,
00:24:11
Speaker
It would be the asshole was a we as a fan or something. But like, you know, we were all there in Chicago and you did not seem like you wanted to be anywhere fucking else. So again, is it revisionist history? Probably. But it does feel a little bit weird because to think about that sometimes. It really it very much is like it. He said things. That almost were borderline hurtful.
00:24:42
Speaker
Like there were moments where it's just like the, the moments in his career, I witnessed post WWE.
Reflecting on Cody Rhodes' Career
00:24:51
Speaker
I got to see him wrestle PWG for the first time. He wrestled Bola against Sammy Callahan. Um, and then he cut a great speech afterwards and like took his boots off and gave them to somebody in the crowd. It was like the, you know, cut a great promo was like, hang on to those. I'm coming back to get those next year. And, uh,
00:25:11
Speaker
I don't know. In Atlanta, I saw him join the Bullet Club in in Ring of Honor with the Bucks and Adam Cole. That was great. I remember like him winning the he won the ROH title, right? Like he he did. Yeah. I mean, he won that. I remember where he won that. I saw him lose it at it's a Dalton Castle. But in that next a few months later, saw him work Flip Gordon with the all on the line would be wrestling it all in on the line.
00:25:42
Speaker
Derek and I saw him, I feel like he was the champ at the time when he was fighting Christopher Daniels. And I just remember at this ROH show where they're both in suits and they looked so fucking cool just fighting each other in the suit. Cody looks good in a suit. John Cena looks weird in a suit. Cody wears the hell out of a suit. Where's the hell out of it? I mean, and just look, I mean, again, we were pretty sure he was doing it for dad when he won the NWA title.
00:26:08
Speaker
And all of us cried, all of us cried together. 10,000 of us. Nothing to him. Apparently, apparently wasn't that important. Was a nice opportunity for him. I think it was Derek today in our group text that said something about like the funny part about all of this is that Cody is now in WWE playing the character that he wanted to play in AEW.
00:26:34
Speaker
And like, he put himself there. They had a hundred opportunities to write him out of the no title picture thing. And I think I was saying is I think there's a lot more to do with like what he perceived as what his role was going to be about being an executive and wanting to do that and that sort of not really working out and how that I think there's a lot of stuff there that.
00:26:59
Speaker
Again, he'll probably never fully explain or it'll be a while, but to me, it's probably something about that. It's just about the way his relationship with Tony Khan evolved and stuff like that. I get it. It all happens. We've all had jobs where we're like, oh shoot, like I thought I made a good choice about this and I made a bad one. And we're relationships, right? Where you're like, I thought this was working out, but actually I think I was wrong. It doesn't mean that there wasn't love there, Cody.
00:27:30
Speaker
We all had love. We really loved you, man. And he's like, well, where were you at the end, bitch? And I was like, yeah, you're right. We were like watching you fight that guy who fights at my gym now down the street. Anthony Agogo. We loved you, Cody, just not the flag so much. That's where just not flag guys. He's like, we were just on different pages with the flag. I liked you when Arne Anderson was putting that Glock to your head. That was pretty good.
00:28:01
Speaker
I also just think it's interesting, though, because again, part of the thing with Cody that I think. It's why I mentioned the acting thing that I think is always kind of an interesting thing about him and that. I think one of the things that made that time period so amazing was the way that Cody was very open and vulnerable about his life. And I think a lot of people connected to that. And I think that was genuine in a lot of ways.
00:28:31
Speaker
And again, and part of me just kind of feels like he doesn't, I don't know, like he's talking about where he is now because he feels that way now. And he has recontextualized that time and maybe in a certain way, that it's not, it meant something to him at the time and it means something different to him now. And it's a little bit, that's part of what's a little bit weird.
00:28:57
Speaker
is that I don't think he was lying. I actually, I really don't think he was lying. I think he was obviously, he's very good at amplifying those things for dramatic effect. But I really think he, if things had worked out, he would be in the NAEW forever. And it just kind of didn't work out for a bunch of reasons. And now he has to justify to himself why he's working for the guy whose throne he broke.
00:29:24
Speaker
you know and he yeah and having to like lick boots over there a little bit and kind of just it's weird.
00:29:35
Speaker
the way he talks about stardust and that now like he seemed so fucking miserable towards the end of that and like we knew he was miserable because he talked about it so many times afterwards but just like in the documentary he almost makes it seem like it wasn't so bad the whole time i mean it does he did seem like he was trying with it initially and maybe like
00:30:00
Speaker
there was an initial fun with it that kind of wore off. And he also says, which I guess makes sense, right? That he's like, initially after his dad died, he was like, it was kind of good to be stardust and not be like myself because he needed act essentially to sort of get through the job. Interesting admission about like, he's like drinking right after his matches. That I thought was, yeah. In the 80s wrestling context, you'd be like,
00:30:30
Speaker
I was lame-o, only putting a little whiskey in the bottle. Where's the cocaine, buddy? Come on. Whereas now you're like, oh my God, he was drinking backstage at a show. He's like, I put a little nip-up booze in my Gatorade and I was like, fire me, Vince. Meanwhile, he's standing in a spot where Junkyard Dog smoked crack and then went to the ring.
00:31:05
Speaker
Did a solid, did a solid 11 minutes with Ron Bass. That was mostly chin locks and everyone was okay with it. God, these, these wrestlers today, these, these millennials, they're, they're, they're soft. What is interesting in the context though, of, of, um, it was interesting to watch the Cody doc in the context of today, them announcing that.
00:31:30
Speaker
The elite guys are gonna be there. The other elite guys, Kenny and the Bucks and Hangman signed contract extensions and are gonna be there another bunch of years. Cuz there was part of me that was like those guys might leave at which point. I have really no clue what the hell's going on at this point. I have really no context for the experience we had in 2018. If all these guys just end up working for WWE.
00:31:57
Speaker
That would have left me feeling weird, like. And to be clear, it's not hard. It's not, it's up to them, right? It's their life and I'm not imposing anything. I'm just saying it would have felt a little weird to us. Yeah. Like I don't, I don't know what I would have done then. Cause I mean, obviously at this point where AEW marks, like we watch the show, we'll buy the shit. We'll go to any of these shows. But if that core group,
00:32:25
Speaker
was completely removed from the scenario, that would take like, that would be just a piece of my heart missing, you know? Like, I'd still watch because it's still a good show and there's plenty of good matches throughout, but man, I'm kind of here for them. Yeah, it's interesting. Part of it is thinking about watching like some of the clips of being the elite and thinking also in the context of
00:32:52
Speaker
You know, we watched the Bambam Bigelow Dark Side of the Ring. We were talking about that a little bit. Bambam not as good a dad as Dusty. That one thing we learned on this one, not as good as Dusty. But one of the things they were talking about was like ECW. They talk a lot about ECW in the Bambam doc. And there's this thing in there about like how a guy in the crowd punched Bambam's kid who was 10.
00:33:19
Speaker
for no discernible reason and then bam bam just like show me and then all the ECW guys beat the guy up and part of me I was thinking because every time we talk about ECW you're always like what match should I watch and I'm like I don't know it's all just kind of good man it's just a vibe like it's just ECW was a vibe and like a lot of it still works a lot of it doesn't work
00:33:42
Speaker
And I was kind of thinking about how at some point, it's been five years now since sort of that peak of, of, of the elite, um, five more years are going to pass and we're going to go back and watch like being the elite. And I think some of it we're going to be like, that's still good. And then some of it we're going to be like someone watching it with us would be like, so penis druids, this was good. You're like.
00:34:09
Speaker
It's hard to explain. What is FTRR mean? I don't know, but it worked. I don't know what to tell you. You just had to be there. You just had to be there. It was a vibe. It involved, again, it involved less drugs in the ECW vibe, but it was still, it's still just the best wrestling is still just a vibe sometimes. I don't know. Well, it is funny. Like as you were talking about
00:34:33
Speaker
the the Cody journey. And, you know, what did you say, like 20 in the 2016 to 2019, whatever the way we talk about that now, like it would just fucking happened. But there's a certain level of nostalgia to that time already. Like we've already exited the Monday night wars. Like, yeah.
Nostalgia for Cody's Indie Era
00:34:57
Speaker
Well, I think part of it, right, is two things happen. Right. And I think
00:35:02
Speaker
One is that to an extent, the creation of AEW was a death, right? It was a death of that indie scene. That was very, very meaningful to everyone. And again, to be clear, like it probably had to die because ROH was just so fucked up and how it was running. And it was like, either of these guys were going to end up going to WWE because they just needed, they just didn't, ran out of room to grow or the something else new was going to start. Like you needed.
00:35:31
Speaker
The energy needed to go somewhere and it probably needed to go to a TV show and it kind of was what it was. Like New Japan wasn't gonna start a TV show on Warner Brothers. You know what I mean? It just wasn't gonna happen. But that doesn't change the fact that that was a death of something. And then I think Cody leaving, once Cody left, I almost immediately was like, there's a nostalgia for a time of a thing. You know, that once that closed a chapter,
00:36:00
Speaker
in something that was, and that's over, right? The Cody, AEW, Cody, Indy, that version, that's done and it's gone. That got 20, 15, 20 minutes in this documentary, whereas we got 40 about like two WrestleMania matches and the time he tore his pec, which is fine. It's WWE. I mean, again, they've done a lot worse by their standards. I mean, to be honest, I really thought that we were gonna,
00:36:27
Speaker
really gloss over seven years or whatever. And to its credit, it didn't. Like, I mean, it gave it. Ten minutes of a two hour documentary, but it's just I don't know if they captured how little we gave a shit about Cody Rhodes when he left WWE and how intensely we cared about him for the next five years.
00:36:55
Speaker
Yeah, I do think there's this like they're telling it is the story of like Cody needed to become this thing and he kind of and it's yeah the the intensity of that feeling which is part of what I think again will a part of what we're nostalgic for right is how intensely we felt about those shows and all in especially um and
00:37:18
Speaker
Yeah, the intensity that we all felt about Cody, you know what I mean? That there was a lot of energy beamed onto that dude that sort of dissipated in a weird... Again, if someone writes a book about it, I'm in. I want someone to analyze this and I'll read this forever, you know, but...
00:37:42
Speaker
It felt like I remember even at the time like I think going back if you listen to some episodes from around then saying like this dude has become like the Leonardo DiCaprio of wrestling like it's this handsome guy who seems to be a pretty good actor because he is making an entire arena feel emotions when up until that point
00:38:04
Speaker
The big wrestling shows we've been watching, we've just been annoyed with. Nothing makes you feel anything. So the fact that not only do I care, but I'm fucking crying now multiple times. That guy made over the span of a few years, probably made me cry four times in four different states.
00:38:25
Speaker
No, and when you think about what he like, I remember just being it all in and talking to Mike because Cody tells the story in the documentary and there's a longer ringer piece about this. If anyone's ever dealing with having a relative in a hospital and a distressing situation, I highly recommend it. But he talks about like sort of the last few days of his dad and that experience and what that felt like. And I remember like reading that ringer piece kind of like right before
00:38:50
Speaker
My grandmother went in the hospital and being like, Ooh. And like, but he was so, again, so open telling these stories where people were really connecting to him. I remember like just talking to backs where it's like, he was entering it all in and just being like, did I ever mention by the way, like, I don't even know if I've talked to you. I know I've talked to you about my grandmother dying, but like, I don't know if I've talked to you about like, fuck Cody really got me through something. Like that story like really helped me. I actually remember telling him that that Cody at the
00:39:14
Speaker
one of those cigar things and talking to him a little bit about that. But yeah, just this straight, just like how intensely connected by how open he was about his own journey that we all felt to him. And again, he's, I guess, continued, well, no, I guess maybe that's part of the thing that's changed, right? Is that he was super open about his dad dying in that journey. And now the end of the AEW thing and the coming back to WWE thing is just,
00:39:42
Speaker
I've sworn myself to secrecy. There was a personal issue. It wasn't about money and it wasn't about another wrestler. Okay, thanks. So basically you're gonna have to wait till this motherfucker writes a book where you get to read all the same shit you just listened to for two hours. Like you get to hear that his win-loss record in high school wrestling was 101 and two.
00:40:08
Speaker
Fucking great. Like I told you guys, that's, he's putting up Abaddon numbers in high schools. Like he could have, he could have been killing dark, but he, he chose to, I mean, he's fighting Brock Lesnar. I don't, here's the thing though. I don't want the Cody memoir. I want the, um, I want the, I want the bio. I, Cody is not a reliable narrator of his own life. Not that part. Reuben recently. Yeah. Um.
00:40:39
Speaker
I don't know if, I mean, I love the Mox book. I don't know if Mox is a reliable narrator, but he... From what I remember, it was... I don't know. I remember bleeding pretty much every day in school. He's like, I don't know. He brained me. It was gushing. But we should talk, we talked about the, we both watched the Bambam doc and the Darkside of the Ring.
00:41:09
Speaker
Which again, again, this is just a lot of this dark season of Dark Side has been like, here's what you shouldn't be as a dad. I mean, isn't that though, like the majority of wrestling from when it started up until 2015?
Wrestlers as Fathers: Challenges and Anecdotes
00:41:30
Speaker
I mean, sure, there's there's actually a good Sean Oliver, who used to kayfabe commentaries, had a book out called Father's Blood. And it's basically like vignettes and things like like told through. But it's of these all these different children of wrestlers or managers telling their space of the story of like what it was like to be so and so's kid. And I mean, it's a sad book.
00:41:59
Speaker
It's really not an uplifting book and Bam Bam's kid is in there. But yeah, it's not it's a repeated story that they were gone They were struggling with a lot of stuff You know, I I think the one big thing we can take away here Garrett is I hope your mommy wrist is doing better But if your doctor wants to give you oxy Don't don't take them
00:42:24
Speaker
next time I'm like a year from now, we're still doing the podcast and I'm starting to like nod off in the middle of it. And I'm like, I'm fine. I swear to God, you're the problem. It is sad. Like it's crazy though that like, I mean, I guess wrestlers now.
00:42:46
Speaker
Are their bodies deteriorating at the same speed that a lot of these older guys were? Cause it seems like the older guys like got beat up so fast when our guys now are doing things at a completely different level and move set and just like level of athleticism. I do think
00:43:08
Speaker
The old guys tend to overstate it, but they do. They did wrestle a lot more like they did all like just physically, they were having matches. You know, five to seven nights a week, a lot of weeks, you know, it was pretty common for a guy to wrestle like 200 times in a year.
00:43:27
Speaker
you know, even a very dedicated indie wrestler or someone who's even wrestling for WWE at this point, I think it's pretty rare that you get to that many matches in a year, even now. So I think it's different, right? The people take bigger risks and sometimes there's more injuries that are like a broken elbow or something. But I think there's just a lot of the old guys was a lot more like wear and tear. Just the general idea of the wrestling and
00:43:57
Speaker
Well, isn't it like Hogan, isn't he a few inches shorter than he used to be? Like he said, because of the Hogan leg drop. Yeah, he just compresses vertebrae so many times just over and over again. Well, I know, like you said, they were on the road way more. I think Bam Bam's wife in the doc said that there was like a year. She only saw him ten times. Yeah, basically, yeah.
00:44:25
Speaker
It, I guess that that makes complete sense. But I guess too, like there aren't as many wrestlers like him now. Like imagine being that size and throwing your body like that. Well, I mean, look at me. You know, we all talk about, you know, like Keith Lee. And everyone's like, oh, man, why is Keith Lee like feels like he fell off a cliff? And it's like, well, he's a big dude who threw his body around. And at a certain point, if
00:44:54
Speaker
stuff goes wrong. Like it's hard to get that back. You know, yeah. And for Bam Bam, it was, I mean, that's, you know, part of it, right? That he was doing moonsaults and all this stuff at his size over and over again every night for years and just kind of caught up to him. Uh, by the way, just for reference, I looked up the most matches in 2022 of anyone where the Uso is both at one 40, which is a lot.
00:45:22
Speaker
But they were, interestingly, they were 20 ahead of the next guy, which was Seth Rollins at 120. Wow. Is that all on cage match or where you? Inside the ropes wrestling. And look, there's a few people at 100, but I'm saying a lot of people were at probably 200. You know what I mean? In the 80s and 90s.
00:45:50
Speaker
That's, I mean, honestly, that is crazy numbers still for today. Like thinking, man, the Usos and Rollins are doing every one of those house shows in every single town to hit that many matches. Yeah, exactly. To hit 140, you've got to basically be doing, you know, that's about three matches a week, which means you were hitting every town.
00:46:15
Speaker
I mean, maybe that I don't know. I feel like I don't give any of those guys enough credit for like. Just being there and putting in the work like that. And I think some of those guys you start to take for granted because you do see them so much. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's part of it. I think the guys that are reliable are sometimes the ones that fade into the background a little bit, you know.
00:46:44
Speaker
Like, I mean, there had to have been years where Dolph Ziggler was like the dude who wrestled the most every year. Yeah, oh yeah. And now no one cares anymore. Is he still there? I think he is, I don't think he's, he hasn't left, I don't know what I'm aware of. Must be doing something though. Always have fond memories of Dolph. There were some really good times. But he was mean to my wife, so fuck him.
00:47:12
Speaker
So the one other thing in the BAMBAM doc that I thought was really interesting was that they explained in pretty surprising detail how they pulled off the spot with Taz where they went through the ring at Living Dangerously. Had you seen that before, by the way, that spot?
00:47:29
Speaker
Yeah, I had seen that spot before probably just in highlight reels, but I had seen it and seen Taz, you know, pull the curtain on that one and like basically tell the how the magic trick works was kind of incredible. He was like, I feel dirty telling you this, but all right. So we cut a hole in the thing. We brawled around and they moved out the piece. We had a guy, they moved the pieces out and they
00:47:58
Speaker
You know, they, I remember, and I remember that, that's a spot that, cause at the time, first of all, I was such a big triple threat mark, right? So I'm cheering, bam, bam, pretty hard at that point. Um, even though he'd like just turned back like a month before with Shane, he'd like turned and turned back, but it didn't matter. I was like, I'm in. Um, and the Taz seemed like they were building up as like so unstoppable that like,
00:48:27
Speaker
I just remember that spot, first of all, you're like, what the fuck just happened? They just went through the fucking ring. And then when like Bigelow gets up and pulls Taz out, it's like, what the, like, it was, it's such a big, it was such a shock result, but also such a shock thing. It's one of those things, like you watch that match back and you're like, and clear why, as Taz tells the story, like they basically just brawl around because they needed to brawl around to set up the spot because they were doing the,
00:48:54
Speaker
It's kind of what happened there. Um, so it's not like the best match ever, but that there's something if you have never seen, if you don't know what we're talking about and just, I would say, just turn on, go to the peacock or find something where you can actually hear war machine and, uh, welcome to the jungle on the way in. Um, and, uh, watch Taz versus Bambam from living dangerously 98 and don't,
00:49:22
Speaker
don't think too hard about what the end spot's gonna be, but it's amazing. That was my other favorite thing, he came out to welcome to the jungle, which is one of my, I was a huge Guns N' Roses fan at that time, so.
00:49:35
Speaker
One thing that ECW did a lot that made me, makes me really uncomfortable is guard rail spots in ways that they should not be done. Today I put on, I didn't, it just kind of came up. This too cold Scorpio Shane Douglas match. I have no idea what show it was from. I wouldn't say 96. Is Scorp wearing like neon green tights?
00:50:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yes. Is it in the ECW arena? Yeah. Is it for the TV title? I don't remember all I could like the spots in it though where there's like Shane Douglas like power bombing.
00:50:22
Speaker
Scorpio in a way that like his legs are just like bouncing off the the guardrail. Yeah, the guardrail first. Oh, oh, the suplex. I think there's like a suplex on the guardrail. Yes, he just dumped some on the guardrail.
00:50:36
Speaker
Yeah, it's nasty, like basically like his shins straight into that. I don't know how he didn't break both of his legs and like how often dudes were just getting thrown into the crowd and like you were truly in a danger zone if you were in those first couple
ECW's Dangerous Legacy
00:50:52
Speaker
rows. Well, just in that Taz Bambam match, Taz suplexes Bambam from the ramp into the crowd onto chairs and stuff. They're just like, he just throws them.
00:51:06
Speaker
I mean, there's a Bambam new Jack match. We're like, we're new Jack jumps out of a balcony and lands in such a way that he basically just fucks himself up. And like Bambam has to carry new Jack back to the ring and just like give him greetings from Asbury park and pin him. He just has to, he, but he like carries him like on his shoulder. They're just like, well, we need to finish something's going to carry you buddy.
00:51:32
Speaker
We're going to finish this match. Imagine being that fucked up and still having to take a finisher. He does. It is intentionally, it's a pretty bad looking greetings from Asbury park, presumably because Bambam was like, I don't want to kill this guy. Just speaking of somebody killing somebody in that, uh, the Bambam doc, when he's up against Andre. Oh yeah. And Andre is basically like smothering him.
00:51:57
Speaker
It's yeah. Two things like that kind of came out between the Cody doc and the BAM BAM doc is how little ring time they both had actually had before they ended up in W. That's interesting. Similarity with two of them. Yeah. Yeah. Because Cody said he'd only wrestled like 50 matches. Just an OVW basically. He went straight to OVW. Yeah. And then BAM BAM less, I think.
00:52:26
Speaker
He'd been around a year, but he'd been like a main event already. So he may have been working a full schedule, but kinda not really, you know? Like Andre was mad about him like getting big as quickly as he did. And like basically almost chokes him unconscious with the ring ropes. Andre seemed like a real fucking loose cannon. Andre would use his like,
00:52:53
Speaker
his singlet strap, like Duggan's talked about this. He's like, first of all, Andre fucking smelled like he smelled terrible. And he would basically pull you in with the strap and he was wrapping it around you. And he's like, first, we better be nice to him because, yeah, he can screw you up. And also it's just he just reached. He was like. It's hard to reach everywhere when you're that big. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Hard to get. But it didn't make me.
00:53:22
Speaker
If we got to tie it into current WWE talking to both of these, about both of these guys and how little Cody being like, I'd only wrestled 50 matches. And then I got put on Monday Night Raw and I'm like,
00:53:33
Speaker
Motherfucker, Logan Paul's first match was at SummerSlam in a stadium. He's only wrestled like five or six times and it's all been huge shows and they've all been great. Like no one in the history of wrestling can say that right now. We're coming up on his first full year, right? This SummerSlam will be a year. Like he's had literally maybe six matches.
00:54:03
Speaker
And they've all been really fun and like, well done. It doesn't make sense. Like we should hate, I should hate him so much. You should hate him as much as Kid Rock. I should on paper. He's as awful as Kid Rock. But instead, even though Kid Rock is there, you're still going to watch some of SummerSlam because of Logan Paul. Uh, yes. I don't know anything else that's on that card and I don't care.
00:54:29
Speaker
But, I mean, it is him and Ricochet, right? Yep, yep. That's gonna be spectacular. Cody's gonna wrestle Brock. Okay. Roman and Jay Uso are gonna do the next installment of that ongoing soap opera. Is that the main event? One Bloodline to Live, yes. One Blood. What am I saying? You just call it Dynasty. He's much better.
00:55:01
Speaker
Oh, fuck. It is ricochet. Like when does he get singles matches ever? Not usually, no. And apparently Roman doesn't either anymore. Well, he's just wrestling. He's just wrestling, Jay. It's a singles match. Oh, oh, I thought it was a tag. Like I thought it was him in an Uso. No, no, it's just him against Jay Uso. Crazy. You're going to go like 45 minutes and there's going to be a lot of talking.
00:55:32
Speaker
That's going to feel like a real Triple H match. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, key to a good wrestling match is make the people wait. Yeah. I mean, maybe I'll watch a few minutes. I don't, I don't know. I haven't figured that out yet. Um, I got G one. I'm like behind a little behind on the G one. I got, there'll be that stuff. I don't know. I catch up on dynamite.
00:55:57
Speaker
I did watch, I did watch collision this week. I really liked the, uh, did you watch the, uh, FTR, uh, better than you baby match? No, I was trying to think what match I saw them wrestle. I don't think I watched that one. No. Cause it was very, I mean, the Cole MJF stuff is really working and the dynamic, the way they played with that in the tag match and the way they played with like,
00:56:24
Speaker
The heat where, you know, the FTR podcast, where FTR bald was talking mean stuff about MJF and kind of doing, they did a, it didn't over, like they really nicely integrated that stuff while still having a great match. And it's worth, it's a really, really good and fun 20 minutes. It's a very like, a nice mix between sports entertainment and wrestling.
00:56:54
Speaker
I was gonna say the stuff I've seen between Cole and MJF, they've been very funny together. Like the chemistry is there just from like an entertainment standpoint. Right. It's a sort of a rock and sock connection sort of thing. Not in any way about the actual sort of relationship there, but more about the like, it's two top guys bouncing off each other in a way that is very, very funny.
00:57:22
Speaker
Um, and, and yeah, it's like, it's interesting because obviously the rock and stock connection did win tag team titles. They did wrestle all the top teams, but the problem is that those top teams at the time weren't just weren't treated at the same level. Right. So like rock and stock connection could wrestle edging Christian or the new age outlaws. And it was good, but you were like, rocket stock connection is going to win this. Right. I mean, they're the real stars. Whereas like.
00:57:49
Speaker
you know, better than FTR is like FTR has been built up in a way where it's actually a really good match because they're treated as, as at the same level, essentially. If not, like that's an uphill battle.
00:58:05
Speaker
We're like two guys who are not a tag team or having to fight the best tag, you know, right. Right. It's yeah. No, that's, that's great. That's great. Um, what else did I watch? I watched some H2O. Wait, I'm curious about this, this triple eight that you, that you saw, you finally saw, uh, Shane against Scorpio. Was it the one that ends with chain? He does the belly to belly off the top.
00:58:34
Speaker
I watched it today and I'm trying to remember how I think, like, honestly, like there were just like a couple, like big growth spots that were the ones that like really caught me. I think that is it though. Cause that's one of my all time favorite matches. Cause the story behind that is so good that like Scorpio is defending the TV title and
00:58:58
Speaker
is offended because Shane has said, I don't give a shit about the TV title. If I win the TV title, I'm the number one contender to the world title. And that's the one I really want. So I really, I mean, I'm doing this for like no reason. In fact, if I just beat you, that's probably good enough. So Shane's like trying to take count outs and stuff. Um, in an ECW match, which of course you can't really do. Um, but like,
00:59:23
Speaker
It's such a good where it's about, I think the show is literally called a matter of respect. And it builds until Shane clearly gives a shit. They fight until he really cares. Then he wins the title and he's actually emotional about holding it. It's such an interesting story that they're telling wrapped up in what's a really, really good match with all these big spots and, you know,
00:59:53
Speaker
All the stuff on the floor, one of my favorite Joey Stiles lines is Shane lands on the floor, right? And Shane's, whatever had been spilled on the floor of the arena is disgusting. Cause Shane's trunks are immediately like, like dirty. Like they're like, there's like his, they've been stained very quickly. And Joey Stiles is like the filthy franchise. Just doing this.
01:00:23
Speaker
That one's a banger. That would that have been okay. They would have been during that match. I just remember like Shane taking such a hard power bomb onto concrete. Yes. Yeah. He takes a power bomb on the concrete. We were like, oh, like it just it that sucks. Like there's no way there's nothing you could do where that doesn't suck.
01:00:45
Speaker
Yeah. You're, you're watching this match going like, Hmm. Wonder why these two really peaked in 1996. Weren't so good the year afterwards. Uh, as they're destroying each other's body for like 1400 very sweaty men in South Philadelphia. Now I watched that, that just popped up on YouTube while I was on lunch today. And I just watched it on my phone while I was eating lunch.
01:01:14
Speaker
Um, it was a very pleasant surprise. Like, I don't know how I ended up with it. It just, that's what I had. And it was great.
01:01:23
Speaker
But yeah, other than that, this week I watched some H2O. There was a barbed wire match between one of the ladies from the Angels of Death match and a guy, and it was just a no rope barbed wire match. You don't get those every day. Some gross death match stuff. And then, I don't know, some GCW coming up this weekend I'm excited about. Pero versus Sawyer Wreck at the Jeff Hardy show. Jeff Hardy sings the show.
01:01:54
Speaker
Are they gonna air that on Fight Plus? Are they gonna air the singing part? Well, the concert is yet to pay. I don't even think the people in the audience for GCW get to go to that unless you leave the building and pay and come back inside. So he should have just accepted that there was gonna be a crowd and let everyone stay and watch that shit.
01:02:19
Speaker
Cause I'll tell you, I paid 15 bucks to see that once and it was, I've never forgotten it. I wonder how much they're selling those tickets for. And if once they see how many people have actually purchased tickets that they're just like, guys, come in, just keep buying. Is someone going to, are you going to keep buying drinks? Come in. Just come. Just please, please. And keep drinking for the love of God. Don't offer him one for the love of God. You drink.
01:02:44
Speaker
where everyone's, everyone's, everyone's drinks at the show are going to be poured into Coke cans. Okay. We can't let him know. Everyone's just really enjoying Coca-Cola. But during the first song, you just see him, what's that perox Y. Jen? What's the name of the band? I have no idea what his name is. The name of the band is something weird like that, but you know, he's just going to be like singing his butt rock or whatever. And.
01:03:13
Speaker
Like he'll just start, he knows, he knows that those aren't regular Cokes. No one's ever drank that many cans of Coca-Cola at a wrestling show before. You're right. It's called it's peroxifly gin, although it's pronounced. It says on Wikipedia per oxygen. Oh, I guess I'm too square to, uh, to know Jeff Hardy's cool band name.
01:03:40
Speaker
He said he came upon the name while looking at an aerosol can. He combined the words peroxide and oxygen, then added Y, creating the name peroxlygen. That was fucking fascinating. See, that's the kind of stuff I'm going to read his biography for. He saw the words and went, hmm, I'll put the words together.
01:04:07
Speaker
What else? I'm seeing what the other guy in the group is the, uh, the head of impact wrestling music. Good for him. Other stuff on this show this week, uh, the, the Friday night show Blake Christian versus Bailey for the, the title, uh, Joey versus commander. Busy versus a couple of guys. Masisos versus violences forever.
01:04:35
Speaker
Hmm. Second year versus the rejects. That's interesting. Sawyer and Pero and Jeff Hardy doing something. Maybe I got to watch the show. Maybe I got to jump back in and GCW. It's been a little bit. Maybe it's time. I know I've nothing is like seemed like must see lately, but Pero versus Sawyer seems great. And also, I'm very excited about this. Their first explosions match coming up in Tijuana.
01:05:03
Speaker
And they announced a New York show in September. So I feel like maybe it's time for me to get back on the horse. I know. I'm really missing being at one of their shows. If I'm not going to get to make it to all out weekend, then I don't know. I need to go somewhere. I might need to try and hit up the next Atlanta show or something. The other, I have been watching a bunch of G1. A couple of things to stand out.
01:05:30
Speaker
This stunner here, but Osprey and Okada was really, really, really good. That was, that was pretty great. Um, but I think the best match of the tournament so far was Eddie Kingston against Ishii. They just, they went so hard at each other. The Quirk and Hall crowd was the best crowd they've had in the G1. They were just so loud for them and they'd love both of those guys. The other thing I realized I loved about Eddie Kingston is that.
01:05:59
Speaker
A lot of the Japanese guys sell in somewhat similar ways. They're not, it's not all the same or anything, but watching him sell ishi chops in a way where he's like, Oh, that hurts. You know, and none of the other new Japan guys will sell it like that. So it's such an interest, like it really kind of changes up the typical ishi match. Um,
01:06:24
Speaker
in a way that's just so fun. It seemed like, spoil too much, but Ishii does pin Kingston, which is maybe a suggestion that he'll get to challenge for the New Japan strong title, which would be a fun match. Yeah. Do that again. Do that one again, guys. Let's do it. Were they the main event? They weren't. They were in the middle of the show. Really?
01:06:49
Speaker
Yeah, I forget what was the main of it. There's just so many matches on these shows. But it wasn't, it was like the middle of the show. Well, I, I mean, obviously that sounds great. I feel like I do need to watch Okada versus Osprey because how long do they do? Like they put in the time. They got a good like amount of time on the match. Yeah. But again, with the 20 minute time limits, they went like 18, 19 minutes. So it's not, it's not a particularly, um, long,
01:07:20
Speaker
You know, none of these G1 matches, again, they're all 20 minute time limits and you literally can't go more than 20 minutes up until they get to the quarters or whatever. Um, so that's, that's kind of one of the nice things about it is that if you see a good match, it's not like, oh man, it's gonna be like 27 minutes, like a chunk of my day. It's like, no, it's 18 minutes and watch it, knock it out. Um, yeah, but docs, it's been a documentary and it's, um,
01:07:49
Speaker
It has been a time where I've been feeling the wrestling documentaries and feeling like let's take some journeys back in the past and think about old times. Not that I have anything wrong with today, but no, I like thinking about ECW. I like thinking about 2018. Yeah. Well, and then, uh, just like not, not a doc, but we got the photo this week from the, the Von Eric movie. Um, and everybody's looking real Von Eric.
01:08:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I saw there were some like early screenings where people were saying. If you're a wrestling fan, you're going to go, this is really good, but maybe not. The absolute best thing you've ever seen, because you kind of know the story a little bit and you're kind of. We're too close. We're a little too close to it, but I think it's still going to be really good. And if you kind of turn off, you're like wrestling nerd brain a little bit. Oh, let's say speaking of some of my dark side, one of my favorite
01:08:50
Speaker
A band I love, Marah, one of the singers guy, Serge Bolanco. He writes these like basically quit music for various reasons, but he writes now. He's like, writes like these long essays. And at the end of one of them, he is like things I recommend. He's like dark side of the ring. I don't really watch wrestling, but this show's incredible. Like this show might be better if you don't know. I don't know if it's better if you know wrestling or not. This is this is great.
01:09:20
Speaker
Cause I do think sometimes you're watching dark side and you're like, I know it. I know it. And yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Tell me something. I don't know. Whereas I don't know. You're, if you don't know these stories, you're like, that's, that's amazing. Um, and I think that Von Eric story is going to kind of be like that where if they tell it even fairly accurately, people are going to go like, what the fuck?
01:09:44
Speaker
I mean, and I feel like a 24 has a good track record of making fucked up sad movies. So I feel like we kind of have an idea of what we're going to get. And I'm just hoping it's more than like, I don't know, when they make movies like fighting with my family and that comes out and you're sitting there is like a big wrestling nerd and you're getting terminology explained to you.
01:10:11
Speaker
And you're just like, oh, you didn't make this movie for me to come watch. This is for everyone else. Although I recall liking that movie. I thought it did a pretty good job with things and I enjoyed fighting with my family. Which in retrospect, it's insane that Florence Pugh plays Paige now that she's like a fucking superstar. Yeah, I should rewatch it. I feel like I was too snooty on that one. I feel like I was kind of a dick.
01:10:41
Speaker
I get, I liked it. I recall, yeah. I saw it with our, our pal Lucy T and a good time. I enjoyed it. I don't remember much about it. I sort of, I sort of vaguely remember the plot of it, but I just remember going like, I enjoyed that and it didn't really insult me. That was nice. Yeah. Best case scenario from a WWE produced film. Yeah. Again, by WWE standards to not be, to barely be insulted over the course of a movie is
01:11:11
Speaker
Again, like with the Cody doc, right? You were like, I feel like they only took a shot at me personally, directly, like twice. That's pretty good for two hours. It's almost like a full two hour documentary. So, you know, can't complain about that.
01:11:30
Speaker
Oh, shit. Well. If you guys missed facts, he was in he's in Indianapolis playing his board games, and we don't remember the name of where he is at this, but, you know, facts that you're you all know, and you're probably already there. Yeah, you're all going to be listening to this while you're walking in to play facts at board games is my understanding from facts is that
01:11:58
Speaker
our audience is purely, purely loves the board games. And so, you know, um, hopefully, uh, fax is a better time in Indianapolis than you did Garrett, right? No, no board game player is going to try to attack. He's actually going to get hit by Pero's partner as well. He's still drunk wandering around.
01:12:25
Speaker
around Indianapolis, just gonna pop facts right in the mouth and then hopefully Bam Bam Bigelow and his big boys are gonna take him in the back and work him over. I'm curious if Ham Fest Indianapolis is happening anytime soon. Do you think that's a touring thing? Or do you think that goes somewhere else every year? Oh man. East Central Indiana Ham Fest. Oh, it was on July
01:12:58
Speaker
29th. Man, and I even see the footage of this ham fest where it's in the place that I watched people bleed. Wow. Um, Oh yeah. They, they had, they had prizes. The grand prize was a Yahoo FT eight, nine, one mobile ham, ham radio, I guess. Man. Well, next year, next year, next year we'll get it all lined up.
01:13:25
Speaker
Um, we'll go straight. We'll go straight from Appalachian to Hamfest tour in the country, hitting all the sites. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening this week. Uh, we'll be back next week, talking pro wrestling, maybe more documentaries, maybe actual wrestling. Who knows? I'm definitely going to watch something. Maybe the dark sides this week is about bash at the beach 2000. So maybe Garrett, we'll just do a watch along of the thunder. That's right after that.
01:13:56
Speaker
Did somebody die at Bash at the Beach 2000? No, no one dies. Other than everyone's self-respect involved. Everyone gets to leave that feeling like us with microphones watching that thunder. Yes, that's the exact feeling you get watching Bash at the Beach 2000.
01:14:19
Speaker
Good Lord. Well, I'm definitely watching that. So GCW summer slam this bash at the beach thing. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening at pre-determined podcasts on Instagram, at Gartat, at Chris Miggs, at Jimmy facts. Thanks for listening and our goddamn music.
01:15:07
Speaker
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