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From PTSD To Alignment ~ Rochelle Fox’s Healing Journey
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Today’s episode is a powerful one! I’m joined by the beautiful Rochelle Fox ~ founder of Mindspo and a woman who is doing truly transformative work in the world of meditation, manifestation, and reconnecting with your inner voice.
What I love most about Rochelle’s work is that it comes from lived experience. Her journey into meditation wasn’t just curiosity or trend-based spirituality. It came from navigating deep anxiety, trauma, and eventually being diagnosed with PTSD. She shares so openly about how suppressed trauma showed up in her life ~ hypervigilance, attachment, wearing a mask, people-pleasing, even lying in certain situations because she never truly felt safe.
She describes having an inner voice that felt like “the meanest girl in school” constantly in her ear… and how meditation quite literally changed her life.
In this episode, we talk about:
- Following your true calling and going off the “script” society hands you
- How anxiety can sometimes disguise itself as intuition (and how to tell the difference)
- A powerful story about listening to intuitive nudges
- The role of EFT and shamanic shaking ~ and how animals naturally shake after life-threatening experiences (and how we can relate that to modern stress like emails, bills, and pressure)
- Rochelle’s road to being diagnosed with PTSD and how that awareness shifted everything
- How manifestation isn’t just mindset ~ it’s alignment between your body and your mind
- What to do when your manifestations haven’t materialised after months
- How to step into the version of you who already has the life you desire
We also dive into a really magnetic chapter of Rochelle’s life in Budapest, where she felt deeply aligned, spacious, and in flow ~ and how that version of her was able to manifest with ease compared to times she felt blocked or contracted.
If you’ve ever struggled with a loud inner critic, felt disconnected from your intuition, or wondered why your manifestations aren’t landing… this episode is for you!
A Gift for My Smilies
Rochelle has generously offered 50% off a yearly subscription to the Mindspo App, plus a free trial.
You can access the offer here:
http://mindspo.app/75regulate
(Just a heads up ~ this deal is only accessible via this link and isn’t available directly in the App Store.)
AND if you are interested in participating in Rochelle's Meditation & Regulation Teacher Certification - you can get $250 USD off by using the code - CLEO
Access below:
https://mindspo.com/teachertraining
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Introduction & Guest Introduction
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Pass Around the Smile is like your go-to friend, the one that lifts you up and backs you to the end. She's there to guide and inspire, challenge and teach, and remind you that your best self isn't out of reach. Self-development, manifestation, self-love and more, it's time to trust the process more than ever before.
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Welcome to Pass Around the Smile, the podcast. I'm your host, Cleo Massey, and I am so glad you're here. Let the magic begin.
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Hello, my smileys, and welcome back to another Pass Around the Smile podcast episode. This is a good one. You will see from the title, I have the beautiful, the magnetic Rochelle Fox on the podcast today. Now, a little PSA before we get into the episode. Unfortunately, my video didn't work. So if you are watching the video on Apple, on Spotify, on YouTube, there's just a little picture of me, but thank God it was my video that didn't work and not Rochelle's video because this episode is obviously all about Rochelle.
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She is there talking in all of her wisdom in the video. And then there's just little smiling photo of me back at her. So just wanted to let you know what happened. But instead of kicking up a stink and crying and being like, oh my God, it's ruined. I remembered that Pass Around the Smile is all about imperfection and we embrace imperfection here on the Pass Around the Smile podcast. So that is what this is. But I can tell you guys, you are going to get so much out of this
Rochelle's Achievements & Authenticity
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episode. I know you all love hearing about manifestation, mindset, meditation, all of the woo-woo spiritual topics, especially beautiful, inspiring stories. Well, Rochelle literally has it all. And It's all come from lived experience, which I really admire about her. She really is the real deal. And I'm honored to have her on the podcast today. We had such a good chat and my gosh, she has given my smiley such generous discount codes, which it's all in the show notes below. So of course she has the Mindspo app. She has given 50% discount code off of a yearly subscription. You can only access it through the link in my bio though.
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And most recently, Rochelle has come out with her meditation and regulation teacher certification, which is a course that you can do. She has given my smileys discount code $250 US off of her certification. So if you have wanted to become a meditation teacher, a regulation teacher, if you are wanting to learn from one of the best, then this is your chance. All the information is in the show notes and the code to get your 250 off I'm so excited to introduce Rochelle to you. Not only does she own an incredible app, not only does she practice what she preaches, not only did she just release, well, not just, last year she released her debut book, Magnetic. She is amazing. She is magnetic herself. And I just know you guys are going to love her. Honored to have her on the podcast. I hope you are all doing well, my smileys. I'll be back with a solo episode soon. But for now, here is a beautiful guest episode with Rochelle Fox.
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Rachelle Fox, welcome to the Pass Around the Smile podcast. Thank you so much for having me. I am so excited. I must admit, i am fangirling. I'm fangirling because I really do think and believe and know that you are the real deal when it comes to manifestation, meditation, spiritual development. You practice what you preach and you have done for years. And I i think you were the you were one of the OGs.
00:03:29
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like You've been doing this for a long time. I think... spirituality has become really cool which is great because so many more people are getting into it but you've been doing it for so long and you still practice what you preach which i think is very very inspiring and i think that your advice is like really really quite magical and i know that my past around the smile community my smileys they are gonna be obsessed with you oh well i am so excited to be on your podcast like this to me we've just done a episode on my podcast as well And I just feel that we are just two peers
Intuition vs Anxiety
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in a pod. I really agree. I'm so excited to be on. It's just so easy. Like our conversation is flowing. And we said we want our, both of our communities to feel like you're just sitting down having coffee with us, having little tea. And it's just what it is. So i es strap in, strap in my smileys because Rochelle is here and we are going to chat all things mindset,
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meditation manifestation spirituality but like we're gonna get a little deeper than usual I feel because hit me baby we're at that point and I have you here so I want to ask you the real questions okay so i do want to go back to 2011 Rochelle Fox but not quite yet okay because I feel like we'll get there organically Do you know one of the coolest, I guess, times that I perceive in your life that was like really magical for you? And this is my perception. Okay. I've been following you for years and years and years. However, when you were in Budapest, you were putting up stories and you
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had just said that you felt really aligned, really in flow and really magnetic. And we will get to this, but Rochelle alongside her incredible book that was only just released. Was it last year was it the year before? Yeah, last year in January 16th. Called Magnetic.
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incredible Like the fact that you, it's translated in how many countries now? Just hit 15. Wow. Yeah. kidding Are kidding? You are magnetic. Which is, I'm very proud of that. I'm so proud of I'm still pinching myself. Like every time I get one of those emails, I... What? Huge deal. Another one? Huge deal. Because people want to read your book because it's incredible. But along with your book, you have retreats. You have Mindspo, which is not only an online platform. It's not only where, as I said, you run retreats, but you have an app. You have all of this stuff going on.
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And when you were in Budapest, you kind of said... You might not even remember posting these stories, but they really made an impression on me. okay You had all of this going on and you were at a point where you were manifesting things without even trying. And you said, i just feel so magnetic. Now tell me what was different about this time? Was it the location? Was it the energy? Was it external things things's happening? Or was it something you created internally? Like what was going on? Because i didn't, I hadn't met you then. And I was like, this girl, has so much going on and now she's just manifesting with a click of a finger. It's interesting. So I moved to Budapest in May last year. And it's so funny when I moved to Budapest, it was a 10 year full cycle thing. I traveled around the world about 10 years ago and I went to all the different places that like Aussies go to. So London, Mykonos, Paris, like, you know, we have our hotspots yeah where we just, if you're doing the big Europe trip, yeah everyone not everyone, but a lot of people save up, they do that big one Europe trip.
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And I'll never forget that we put Budapest and Prague on the list of places to go. And i was like, why are we going to Budapest? and Why are we going to Prague? I don't know anything about these places. And then 10 years ago, went to Budapest. And I always said when I went there that I'm going to come back and live here and like live out a chapter of my life here, which was so random. Like I'm a girl from Australia. Why would I move to Hungary? Like what's in Budapest for me? I'm very much a mermaid. I love the ocean. Like it just didn't make any sense. yeah And I remember when I, I do remember those stories. When I was in Budapest at that time, i had just followed through on the things that I said I was going to do in
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Ignoring what everyone else told me would make sense. And I was just doing things completely on my own trajectory. And I think for me, whenever I just decide to go with my intuition and I just decide to do the things that I get downloads to do. even if they don't make logical sense to anyone else and I follow my true calling, that is when magic unfolds. That is just when i feel my most aligned, when I feel my most magnetic. I think it's when I go off the script of society or what people say is possible for me and I just do me.
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That is when I feel the best. I just remember feeling so inspired by your energy. Like you were so excited. Like you were like, I've created this reality. I'm, I'm living it out and I'm just manifesting effortlessly. yeah I think it's when you got a few translation deals yeah as well. Yeah. It's just, it's really inspiring what you're saying. Essentially, I guess that you were really trusting your intuition during these times.
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Do you struggle with differentiating your intuition and fear? Interesting question. So I would say that a lot of the time for me, anxiety sometimes can show up as intuition. yes Sometimes it's interesting. So if I have a feeling about someone or something and I feel anxious, a lot of the time I understand that that is actually intuition, but it is intuition with a story.
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So to me, there is intuition, which is just like a gut feeling where you just know, but you're not making a story about it. And you're like, I just know this thing. Anxiety for me sometimes is intuition that I have made a story around. So it might not actually be what's going to happen, but I've said like, oh, that person's speaking badly about me or it's not going to happen or that person's not going to hire me or I'm not going to get that deal. Now, it might just be like, that's not aligned or it's not going to work out. But instead, I've made like an anxious spiral about it. So I think for me, intuition is just that gut feeling that comes without a story. That is just an intuitive knowing. However, humans, our subconscious mind, we love to make a story. we we love love
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We love to get entwined in our doubts and our fears and then make all of these patterns and, oh, you know, this has always happened like this. So it's going to happen like that because we're pattern predictors. That's what the subconscious mind likes to do. It likes to just do things in patterns because it's lazy in some ways. It just goes back to what's safe and familiar. But for me, a lot of the time, if I'm really delete trusting my intuition, it is just going with things without making a story around it and just trusting.
Managing Emotions with EFT & Somatic Practices
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Anxiety for me, when that fear anxiety shows up, but I can tell that like, oh, this is divinely led. It's just that I've made a story about the intuition. I've never heard it talked about like that before. And I'm obsessed. I'm obsessed.
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Yeah, it's interesting. makes a lot of sense. Yeah. And I think sometimes, look, there are sometimes we just do just get anxious, right? And we just feel certain kind of way. But a lot of the time I feel for me when I really get that fear and I can sense that there is something behind that fear because we're intuitive, right? I think that we feel into things a lot of the time. I sometimes have to say to myself, well, am I just making a story about this? Could I just say that like, oh, there's just a feeling there? And just accept the feeling without making a story about it. And just be like, well, I'm feeling something about this. So just allow it to unfold without making a story. And let's say for you, when that fear, I guess, disguised as anxiety whatever it is, does come up for you, what's your go-to to kind of undo it? Oh, EFT tapping at the moment. Oh, okay. Have you tried EFT tapping? I have tried it. I haven't got deep into it, but I've dabbled. Okay. So I hated EFT tapping when I first did it. I thought it was weird. I didn't like it. I had a lot of reservations about it. I now really lean on EFT tapping. Yeah. Just moving through the feeling, I think that thing I like about EFT, so for anyone that doesn't know what EFT was, because I was clueless a few years ago, EFT is something called emotional freedom techniques. It is essentially where you're tapping on meridian points in your body. So it links with Chinese medicine, which is beautiful because it is the first day of the fire horse. Literally, guys, we are recording this episode on the first day. Yes, we're very aligned today. On the first day of the Chinese New Year. It's very exciting. It feels exciting. It feels very aligned. It feels energetic. It does. Yeah, we have a lot of energy. We do have a lot of energy.
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um So EFT tapping works with the Chinese medicine system, but then it also leans on science. So you're tapping on these meridian points. And what it is when you're tapping is you're sending these like signals to your amygdala, that fear center of your brain, while you're also saying things out loud. Now, it's so interesting because when we think about manifestation, anyone that knows anything about manifestation will have heard the advice that do not say negative things out loud. So It would be very rare for me as a past version of myself to say, I'm a piece of shit.
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yeah I don't trust myself. I feel a lot of fear right now. Maybe I'm just not worthy of whatever it is that I'm manifesting. Now, I would never usually say those things out loud. Whereas in EFT, what you do is you actually voice the fear, you voice the thing that is coming up in your head, you say the thing,
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that you're not saying out loud. yeah And you say it while tapping on these certain meridian points on your body and you voice it. And what that does is it just releases the energy. And what it does is it allows the energy to flow and you keep tapping and you go and you keep repeating these negative fate phrases and you these limiting beliefs. And then you start reframing them. Well, maybe this is just a feeling.
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Maybe I don't have to feel like this. Maybe this is just a story that I've created in my head. Maybe I feel a little bit of anxiety because my intuition is making a story about a feeling that I'm having. So you you then reinterpret it. So for me, I really lean on things like EFT these days because it's not...
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I think your your whole entire community would have heard about the idea of spiritual bypassing. It's not bypassing the emotion and stopping yourself from having a negative emotion. I'm a human being having a human experience. I'm going to have negative emotions. I'm going to feel like shit. I'm going to have good days. I'm going to have bad days. The sun does not shine out of my ass. I'm not so magical human being. I am Rochelle Fox and the soul having a human experience. And the human experience is one of polarity, right? You can believe in manifestation, spirituality and all all these beautiful things as much as you want, but you are here to have a human experience. The human experience is one of contrast. It is one of polarity. No one gets to bypass that. It's just about how you move through that with your perspective and what tools that you use and not getting stuck in it. There's a difference between having a feeling
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and experiencing something and feeling stuck and not feeling in flow and having that human emotion of maybe comparison, maybe jealousy, maybe confusion, maybe i just don't feel as good as her. She's bringing up all my insecurities, whatever it is.
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We all have that in varying different degrees and varying chapters of our lives. But it's about moving through that feeling and seeing like what is underneath that feeling to teach us something. Because everything that you're experiencing, every feeling that you're having, I think emotions and feelings are just messengers. And a lot of the time, the negative things that are coming up, and I'm putting inverted commas here saying negative, just the things that you know don't feel good per se, they're just there to help you move through them and get to the other side where you could have more compassion for someone else. You could see that, yeah, that person is really great at that thing, but I'm also really great at this and we're different human beings and isn't that beautiful? Isn't it beautiful that I can see the light in her and it's making me realize where I'm not being light within myself.
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And it is allowing you then to alchemize those emotions. And so I love EFT. I'm a very big user of EFT at the moment. I have it all over the Mindspo app. I i just, i if if anyone's ever interested in it on the Mindspo YouTube channel, if you just type in Mindspo, Rochelle Fox, EFT, Emotional Freedom Techniques, I have a whole entire, like, I think it's a 20 minute, 15 minute video. Oh my God. I explain the science of EFT, how it works. And I have some free EFT videos on YouTube and then i have so many on my app. But that to me is one of my favorite tools because it's addressing the negative, actually feeling the negative. Yeah.
00:15:45
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saying the thing you don't want to say out loud, which I... Just acknowledging it. Yeah, I love being like, I feel like a piece of shit. I feel in a lot of comparison right now. Like being able to freely say those things rather than trying to put on some facade and pretend it's not there. then once you've felt the emotion and moved through it, alchemize it. My other tool that I love is somatic shaking. What is that? Have you never done somatic shaking? Oh my God. So somatic shaking is essentially...
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How do I describe somatic shaking? Honestly, just imagine me yeah jumping up and down, shaking my hands up, shaking them down, dancing with absolutely no judgment, full let go, full animalistic chill, like just letting loose. yeah And what it does is for me, it really brings up all of that energy in our nervous system, all of that aliveness that maybe we're trying to compress. So think about how society... We're moving through society all the time and I think women, right, we're told to look a certain kind of way and show up a certain kind of way and act a certain kind of way and smile and do this. And there's all these things that are really beautiful and I love to be a very happy, positive woman. I love going out there, but sometimes I'm an angry bitch.
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Yeah. And I'm, I'm annoyed and I'm frustrated and I want to scream at people and I want to feel things and maybe I want to throw something at my partner's head. Haven't done it yet. I've been with him for 15 years.
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Have thought about it. Really, really annoying me. And like your breathing is pissing me off. And I can't believe you said that to me and I'm two days from my cycle. yeah anywhere I'm boring. Ready to go. I'm postpartum and listen here, buddy. I just birthed this miracle from me and it's your doing. But somatic shaking is essentially just jumping up and down, feeling all those emotions, letting them out, shaking your body. Moving energy.
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Think about a deer. If you've ever seen a deer being chased, let's think about David Attenborough. Do you love David Attenborough? I'm a David Attenborough person, I love it. So imagine in David Attenborough when you have like a lion or a cheetah or a tiger chasing after some kind of game animal. you know, a deer or something like that, or a zebra, you'll notice if they don't manage to catch the animal, if they keep filming that zebra or that deer, yeah the zebra or the deer will shake, oh right? They'll have this like like shake with, I'll shake their legs, I'll shake their arms. And that is them. Literally, they've gone through a nervous system activation, which is,
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I've had to flee and fight and run for my life. And I have all of this pent up energy that is sitting in it, all of this fear, all of this drive, all of this adrenaline that is in their system. And what they then do is they shake their bodies and they run and they move and that discharges it. Now, if you think about humans every single day, ah I don't know about you, but I have had emails in my inbox that I'm like, oh, wow, it feels like a tiger is chasing me in my inbox right now. Yeah. Or have you ever had a bill land? And you're like... it Just automatically. Yeah. The feelings are very intense and physically. Yeah. Wow. Thank you for that invoice. ah That felt like a leopard leaping at my heart. And now I feel really activated and contracted. Now our average, you know, experience in humanity, what happens in that we're sitting at our desk and you're then just having all of this adrenaline, all these very human emotions about lack or scarcity or whatever you're feeling in that moment, contraction. And then you're expected just to keep going.
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Yeah. Just keep, keep working, keep going. That is when I get up and do somatic shaking. Yeah. it makes sense. put my headphones on full blast. I will just go sit somewhere start the music, get up, start rolling my joints, start moving. i grunt, I yell. I look a little bit like a crazy person. But hey, but if it works, who's laughing? Literally. So those are my favorite tools. Cool. Yeah.
00:19:46
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Okay. I'm inspired. And especially the deer, the deer story really got me because if they're showing us like that's natural, that's what bodies and energy needs to do to like release, like it's literally in front of our faces and like i know that feeling. Like, as you said, if a bill comes through or it's like an email's hit you, you're like so tense. If you just take a second, instead of pushing through it 30% feeling anxious, go and shake it out yeah and come back at a hundred. and yeah And have the feeling, like allow yourself to feel the anxiety, the activation, like it's activating something. So you've just got to move through it rather than suppress it and be like, Oh, I just need to sit down and just pretend it's not happening. yeah Like I've had like an invoice for a retreat center, for example, and we haven't sold as many spots as I'd like by whatever date.
00:20:31
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And I'm like, lovely invoice there. Very nice. stick I'm just going to walk away. I'm just going to go shake and I'll come back and sell some spots for my retreat. yeah But right now I need to move through the energy because that's a really lovely number that you would like to send. I would like a few more conversions yeah before I send that. And we all have that. Yeah. This is the thing about manifesting. If you're trying to evolve, if you're trying to become a certain version of yourself, you're going hit your upper limits. Yeah. That's what we're always doing, right? We're we're constantly pushing what is possible for us. Yeah. And you've just... Raising the bar. Yeah.
00:21:09
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And like, you know, that if in that moment you sat there and tried to say visualize or manifest more spots on your retreat, it wouldn't happen. Whereas if you walked away and you acknowledge the feeling, shook it off, came back, probably boom, I probably had two people sign up. Yeah. It's just getting into that somatic activation. So there's the mind manifesting, which is like, it's so funny. I always laugh. I called Mindspo, Mindspo.
00:21:34
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ah It's actually... Mindspo was born in 2016 in the Gold Coast in a penthouse on, in Rainbow Bay. That was an Airbnb that I was renting and kept renting for a long time. And it was born there. So we're now in 2026. So that's why Gold Coast is a special for you. Very special place for me. And it's so interesting because when I created Mindspo, it was my rebellion to Fitzpo because the tag Fitzpo was really big on Instagram and everyone's talking about Oh my gosh, of course. Fitness inspiration. i was someone that had just gone through like you know, PTSD, a lot of mental health challenges. i had been meditating since like 2011, like then. And I was so angry. it was born from a lot anger. I was like, why is no one talking about mental health? Our mental health is so important. It is everything. So then I called it Mindspo. And I laugh now because the development of Mindspo is we've always been a mind-based, like mental wellness, like mindset company. And I think in the last year, I've turned much more into a somatic company. So using body. okay And I've been leaning so much on these body-based tools because I feel personally, I hit my upper limit with mindset manifesting. And I had to get in my body to move through some big things that were coming up for me. interesting And yeah, the somatic side of stuff is... You can't, you know, it's so funny, the energy that you're creating from, if you're sitting and you're visualizing and you're feeling really activated or contracted or just like there is a lot coming up and you're having the beautiful picture of something in your head, but then the anxiety is in your chest. Manifestation is about that alignment of your mind and your body coming together. It's like, well, what are you feeling in your heart? Because the mind is the picture. But if you think about it, if you think about it like a projector, you can have the picture in your mind And that can be the slide, yeah right? But the heart, that's actually the light that shines through that projector, right? And then it shines that picture and then it comes alive. So you can have the slide in your head, but unless you're bringing that light and that feeling through your heart, and that's the emotions. yeah So you want to be in your body and be able to express it through the physicality. And the physicality comes from actually being in the body and addressing, okay, I can't bypass the human experience that I'm having right now. I actually have to feel it and then move through it and then be able to visualize it from a place of actual embodiment.
00:23:56
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Well, it makes so much sense. And I think I probably have a lot of smileys right now having a heart moments going like, oh yeah, like because we think a manifestation, it's all in our mind. Your mind is so powerful. You can create anything from your mind. Ten years ago, ah I would have said exactly that. Well, this is good because I wanted to go back to 2011, Rochelle Fox. So you were living in Sydney. You were a DJ. Mm-hmm. And you were feeling quite burnt out. Take us through that time. And was it meditation that flipped everything? Yeah. Tell us about it. So back then I was a presenter. So I used to do a presenter for Today FM. I used to be their red carpet girl. Oh, really? ah Not for a long stint, but for a little while. So i think you would understand that coming from the entertainment
Overcoming PTSD through Meditation
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industry. was also a DJ. And I was just someone that really wanted to, very similar story to yours. I wanted to be seen. I wanted to be out there. I thought the way I was going to do that was through being on podcast.
00:24:52
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traditional media path because Instagram and everything had only really getting started. The opportunities that we have now didn't really exist. And I thought, well, how can I connect with an audience? How can I use my gifts? Well, of course you're going get on some big conglomerate and then going to give you a position. so I was doing that. And at the time that I was doing that, I was completely wearing a mask. So I was very, I have something called PTSD, post-traumatic stress disorder. Um, I,
00:25:17
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Got PTSD from the ages of five and six. i had a lot of really traumatic things that happened to me in my childhood. I never really go into like graphic details of them, but it's just the kind of stuff you would never wish on a child. And that then kind of created this...
00:25:31
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I call it like a time capsule of trauma, pain, suffering, pictures, memories that were very much interlocked into my system until I became sexually active when I was like in my early teens and I started to remember a lot of stuff. And in my early teens, I started to have a lot of symptoms that were coming up. So getting sick a lot, a lot of unexplained illness, a lot of time off school, sleeping a lot. I was very kind of like the, I wouldn't say the problem child, but it was, there's something up and we can't figure out what it is. And it was, all of my PTSD was coming back to me and I felt so much shame.
00:26:12
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so like ridiculous amounts of shame and confusion and overwhelm. And I'm also like a teenager having teenager hormones, yeah which, you know, is a lot. um And it wasn't until my early twenties that I really started, i guess, kind of addressing that where it got to a tipping point where there was PTSD can do something very interesting where you can be very, very good at putting on a face. I would call it putting on a mask, putting one foot forward and I was a classic person where you would have no idea that there was anything wrong with me. You'd meet me be like, oh my God, she's so bubbly. She's so effervescent. She's so la la la la. la But I was like severely depressed. I was suicidal. I was in the like the depths of the depths. Like I just didn't really want to be here anymore. I didn't really want to be alive. um And I went through this journey of trying to fix myself with so many different things. I met partner at the time, Chris, and he was the kind of first guy that had really, a lot of my partners, like boyfriends had known some stuff, but with Chris, it got to a point where was like, I have to kind of really open up. And we tried so many different things to try and fix myself. I always call myself like a mental health mix bag. It was I did the traditional route through traditional, like, um,
00:27:30
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antidepressants and stuff, I have nothing against that. I think that you have to do what is right for you. I had a very bad reaction to that. So then I was trying all these different natural things, um nothing was working and it got to a point where a friend of ours, Julian, had heard about meditation and he had just heard that I had actually just gotten the diagnosis of having like complex chronic PTSD. And that was given to me by a psychologist, a cognitive behavioral therapist. that I started seeing. And she was the first person professionally that I had detailed everything that had happened to me. Couldn't like even my throat, like you can hear me go, I couldn't even say it out loud. i wrote it all down for her. um And I remember, I'll never forget going into her office. She had this piece of paper where she had read everything that I had put down. it was a lot of detail. And I just walked into the room. I sat down on the therapy tape, like a, what's it called?
00:28:26
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Couch? Yeah, couch. I'm very like, oh, I told this story. i sat down the therapy couch and she had this giant coffee table. And in the coffee table, there was always this book that had always been there. And I'd gone to so many therapy sessions where I just bullshitted her. I hadn't really opened up. and Every therapist person I'd seen before her had been like, oh, you have an eating disorder, which I did as well. Like I had so many things. I'm like, oh, you're anxious. You've got this, you've got that. I'm like, wow, thanks for all the labels. That's not actually, there's something else deeper. But I opened up to her and I'll never forget. She had this giant book. She just looked at me, didn't really say anything. And it was, she was very good at what she did. i you know, I don't know how people... handle hearing these things from people and hold space for them I have so much respect for anyone that does anything in the mental health space I think that they're angels nurses like shout out to you you are the the angels of the earth but she turned over this book opened to this page pushed it across to me and the top of the page it said PTSD and complex PTSD she's like
00:29:29
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you know, kind of pointed to read. And I read these two pages and it was the most relieving thing that I've ever read in my life. And it's ah not a fun thing to read about yourself, but I realized in that moment, I have a name for this thing. It's not, I'm not just bulimic and have an eating disorder and have anxiety and not just suicidal. I'm not just depressed. I have PTSD and this stems from a lot of events that happened and other things that continue to happen to me. And this is all created this suppressed trauma, this, and I have post-traumatic stress disorder and post-traumatic stress disorder is something that is complex and it can result and show up in many different ways. It is causing me to be hypervigilant, which is kind of like paranoid on steroids. It's causing me to be very attached and have a lot of anxious attachment. It's causing me to wear a mask and to, lie in certain situations because I constantly don't feel safe it's the reason why I'm always looking over my back it's the reason why i wake up in the middle of the night with night terrors like there were so many things that were going on I remember reading this and it was like yay like weird reaction but I was just so did you feel understood I felt for the first time, it's weird getting a label like that can feel so freeing and can feel such a sense of relief and satisfaction. Um, and my, my reaction was, well, now that they I've got a name for it, I can, I can kill it.
00:30:58
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I can kill it now. Like, yeah, I can destroy this yeah We will murder the DSD. Um, which I don't know if that's the best way to look at it, but Rochelle 2011 was like, I will now kill this thing. I have to laugh or I'll cry. um um Trauma, you know, keep it light. um So then I went on this journey of trying to, I guess, fix this PTSD. And it was a friend of ours, Julian, um who has now become this very, very successful business person who heard from soul that I had PTSD and he had been interesting because a lot of people that knew me kind of had judged me. And I get that because they were like, what is up with this chick? Right. Like there's something not quite right. If you got to know me enough, cause the mask would slip. Um, and he told me about, um, that there were all these people coming back from the war in Afghanistan that were American soldiers and that they were learning this thing called meditation and it was helping them with PTSD. And I was like,
00:31:55
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ah Meditation. You mean that like woo-woo hippie shit that some guy in an orange robe does in a cave? You're telling me for the immense amount of trauma and all the things that I have done to experiment. And I did some not so traditional things to try and fix myself back then that I probably won't mention on this podcast because I don't know if they were necessarily legal.
00:32:16
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But I was like, you've got to be kidding me. This is your, your, your psycho. But um then one day, I was out and he was, you know, doing his own thing and I was at home and I was really, really dark and just in a really bad place. And I decided to type into YouTube, like PTSD army people meditation. and I came across this guy and I'll never forget the video. It was this guy and he was like this GI Joe kind of Arnold Schwarzenegger guy with all these medals. The kind of guy that you look at and you're like, oh, hi, you know, like you can lift a table and build an Ikea like set. Like he was just this really like striking guy And the last person I would ever think. Yeah, think to meditate. And then he then just basically said that he lost his brother in arms to suicide. And then he had learned meditation and it had saved his life. And I just remember thinking in that moment, if it can work for this guy, then work for this guy looking like that with my old judgmental mind where I had a very...
00:33:21
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very clear vision of what I thought people needed to look like. yeah And this is something I always say now, like spirituality doesn't have a costume. And I think it's so easy to think that we can have our understanding and this idea that spirituality is meant to look a kind of way. yeah And I had that. Did you ever have that? Yeah, 100%.
00:33:36
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yeah yeah Yeah, I did. And sometimes I still like fall into that trap of reality where it's like, oh I have to like present myself a certain way if I'm going to be the real deal, the real guru. It's like, no, you don't. Yeah. And it's so interesting how the mind does that because the mind has this from, you know, when we're ages of zero to seven, that subconscious is wide open and yeah we see meditation as monks in robes. So we think monks in robes. Yeah. So yeah, I basically went and watched this video, was kind of blown away by this guy booked a meditation ah course in Sydney. i spent the last thousand dollars, like quite literally the last thousand dollars in my bank account to do this very traditional meditation course. it was a three-day course. Meditation saved my life. i I said from this, like that day forward, meditation is my medication, specifically a mantra-based meditation style. It was the thing that...
00:34:28
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It made me realize that my thoughts are just things that not actually me, that I don't have to believe that everything that I think, just because I think that I hate myself or I am not good enough or not worthy enough or all of these things that I used to say, like I used to have an inner bitch in my mind that was so loud, babe. Like it was destroying me from the inside out. It was kind of like having... the meanest girl in school times 10 in my head, just pulling me down. And through meditation, i was able to learn that, oh, okay.
00:35:01
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I can hear that voice. I can listen to that voice. So if I can listen to that voice and I can hear that voice, then who is thinking and who is watching? Oh, wow. That voice isn't me because I can observe that voice. And then I became the observer of my mind. And then I didn't have to believe everything that I thought. And I thought a lot of really stupid shit and really dangerous stuff. So that was this tipping point for me where I became the observer of my mind. And basically from there on in, I always call myself kind of like a secret spiritual warrior. So I was DJing, was in the entertainment industry. I never forgot. I used to be, I used to lot of like corporate events. Yeah. So it was back in the day where I had a blog and I also had my Instagram and people used to book me because they're like, she's blonde and she's going to post on her Instagram and she'll DJ. So it's kind of like I was like package deal. I was giving like happy meals where I look back and I'm like, what I was charging versus my deliverables. Like you are worth more, girl. And now the self-worth has kicked Literally the self-worth has kicked in. And I'm like, great.
00:36:04
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I was absolutely not charging it enough. yeah But um yeah, i used to just be DJing. I'll never forget people would be coming and they'd be, you know, standing next to me and they' be like, oh I'm glad the scary is at work tomorrow. And I'm like so anxious and people would just open up to me always. And. I'd be you know mixing a song, be like, have you heard about this thing called meditation? and people would look at me being like, why is the DJ at this fancy you know city event scene talking to me about meditation? And yeah, I had a blog called A Fox at Meowth. I didn't know that you had a blog too. We really are two peas in a fox. We are. And I used to do these things called Happiness Post and it was my excuse to incorporate meditation
00:36:46
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fashion into mindfulness and mental health. um And yeah. And then from there, I was doing all of that for yeah quite a few years. And then in 2016, I kind of had this massive moment. It's a whole, I'm talking too much, but no, you're not. This is the point of having you on the podcast. Okay. But I had this kind of crazy moment where I really decided, you know what, knowing what I know now, what would I do differently? i would teach other people this incredible skill. Like this is I'm passionate about. This is what I talk about when no one is watching. This is what I think about when no one else is telling me what to think. This is what I'm obsessed with. If I could help one person go through
00:37:23
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you know the transformation I have make their life a little better. And then I started Mindspo and it's been this beautiful, you know, it's been 10 years now of Mindspo and yeah, it's, it feels very full circle at the moment because now I'm starting to teach people how to become meditation teachers. Oh my gosh. That is very full circle.
00:37:41
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It is. I started like, it's been 10 years, you're back on the Gold Coast. Like, so when you were in that Rainbow Beach apartment and you came up with Mindspo, did you know that it was about to change
The Impact of Mindspo
00:37:53
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your life? Did you have an inner knowing or was it just one of those little signs for the universe that you followed? I had no idea. I remember I made Chris, my partner, he made a teleprompter with like cardboard boxes and TVs and a mirror reflecting. It was so rogue. I'd be the first person to tell you, I do not have my life figured out. I am just winging everything. Do not ever think that I know what I'm doing. I am the biggest winger. No, but really am. just didn't, I was like, well, let's just try this thing. Well, your winging is working and it's really inspiring. I appreciate that. But yeah, I just had a lot of, lot of drive. think I, I had a vision. didn't, but I had no idea it would turn into what it is or that it would be the retreats or books or apps. Talk to us about Mindspo. Like it's, it's a, it's your business, it's your company, but it's kind of like an umbrella with a lot of legs. Yeah. Like an octopus. An octopus. A little octopus. So tell my community, my smileys, everything that you have. Okay.
00:38:50
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And where we can find you as well. All right. So Mindspo is, I guess, our home base. And that is really the umbrella where everything that we have created it has been born from. So we started with a meditation course and we still have that, the Mindspo Method. In that you can go and do a 66 day meditation challenge. And that's really the amount of day yes the foundation of our whole entire, guess, ecosystem. Then from there, we have Mindspirit retreats. So this year we have three retreats. We have one program called our Bali Self-Love Retreat, which is a program that I created. It's been running since 2018 now. And I don't host the retreats anymore. I have two incredible facilitators, but that is really our foundational program. That is taking someone from, i don't feel worthy. I don't feel good enough. Maybe I've just been heartbroken. um i need to change. and need to transform. That is like a, like, I'm not going to my own horn, but those retreats, it's not me. It is just the magic of that program. It just does incredible things. I always look back and I'm just like, I still can't believe this thing exists. So we have that. it Yeah. And then we have a, like, we do some retreats in Europe this year. So I have a writer's residence for people who want to write books, well which I'm doing in May, which is so exciting. And then I've got a digital detox retreat this year. So we have that. And then I think the newest thing that I'm actually so excited about is, well, we have our app, of course. So that there was the Mindsville app and that's, I think just my goal to bring all these practices like EFT, somatic shaking, meditations, visualizations, manifestation movies, which is one of my favorite manifestation tools, put all of that in an app. And that's just like how, you know, in your pocket kind of vibe, like kind of like your, your decks, right? You want something that just connects you. My smiley is going to go off on your app.
00:40:36
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Oh, like seriously, it's like everything all in one that you could ever want. Yeah, it it feels very, i think the app for me just feels everything I put in there are all the things that I wish I had. so And do you know what, sorry to interrupt, you know what I love? I love that you've created so many different tools so people can grab what suits them on that day or in that year. Like if somatic shakings not for you there's a million other ways that you can calm your mind, find peace, find clarity, manifest through your app. Yeah. Like you, you give it all. Yeah. I feel like I've really learned in my journey that it's not a one size fits all approach. yeah And I used to be like, if you met me a few years ago, be like, you have to meditate. Now I have the opinion of maybe meditation isn't you. Maybe it's EFT, maybe it's somatic shaking. So we have lots of different programs on the app. One that I'm so excited about the moment is ah what I was talking about when you came on 75 regulate, which is this 75 day journey of nervous system regulation. Yeah. And it is somatic shaking, breath work, meditation. It's changing every week. want to do it. I think you'd really like it. It sounds amazing. i
00:41:40
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like I use it like every day. I still keep redoing it because it's just... everything is 15 minutes a day or less. There isn't a practice. Like maybe there's a, there might be a walking meditation that's 17 minutes because I just couldn't condense it to 15. But the walking meditations have to be that big one. Yeah, because they're too good. Yeah. So I've got that. um So that's Mindsweat. But I think the thing I'm most excited about is the meditation and regulation and visualization teacher training. Oh, wait, I didn't know this. Yeah. So that's like, I think, so we launched that this year. My first cohort is on March 30th. Oh my gosh. Is it online? Yeah. All online, 12 weeks online with a business curriculum as well. And that's just, I, I think for such a long time.
00:42:23
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It's funny. I've been doing this for 10 years. Yeah. Teaching meditation, putting things out there. And anyone that's listening to me that's interested in this stuff, like this is 10 years. Like I'm on chapter 10. Yes. And I meet so many people that are on chapter one or chapter two of their journey. They haven't maybe facilitated retreats or they haven't really held space. They're interested in this work. They're on a healing journey. And my whole thing is like, okay, well, how can i equip you with...
00:42:49
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the absolute bucket loads of mistakes that I have made all of the things that I have learned and take you from someone who is not just passionate about mental health wellness meditation but actually get you to feel like you can be a leader in this space yeah so I'm really excited about that I'm excited for you yeah and this goes to show just how much you have going on because you forgot to mention that you have a podcast and a book yeah You just forgot those tiny little things. I think a lot of them, look, the retreats is very much managed by my team. yeah like I don't, I'm not wearing all the hats. like I could build it out in a way where, yeah, I definitely burn out in the past and I've learned. And that's why I want to teach people how to not do that and how to yeah make something that feels good. yeah yeah And let's bring it back to manifestation because this is what my smileys love. And this is what I said to you.
00:43:36
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The reason why I was so excited to have you on the podcast was to have conversations of like that next level of manifestation. Like we're not talking about the ask, believe, receive here. We're going a little bit deeper. Hit me.
00:43:48
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How are you? At surrendering, we all know surrendering, get out of the way, trust the process, detach from the outcome. We know all that. What do you do when you want something so bad? And a couple of months have passed and it hasn't showed up. And it hasn't shown up. Yeah. Okay. Firstly, i get very, very honest with myself about what is it that scares me about this manifestation. Okay. And this is very interesting because I think most would be like, well, um,
00:44:16
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$10,000 a month in my business doesn't scare me. That actually creates a lot less issues for me. i'm like, okay, nice. Yeah, you say it doesn't scare you, but what are you gonna have to do in order to reach that goal? Does that require you being seen more? Does that require you putting yourself out there more? What is the thing that you are secretly scared of or feel resistance to that you say that you want, but really there is a part of you that wants to say the same? I feel like with manifestation, most manifestations really require us to lose one version of ourselves and become another version of ourselves. And we can gaslight ourselves and say, well, that's a good thing. I want to become a new version of myself.
00:44:55
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Yeah. And you have a subconscious mind and a nervous system that loves being in the familiar. It loves safety. loves familiarity. It loves programs. It loves doing what it's doing. So when you try and do something new, there is things that have to change and things that have to stretch.
Embracing Emotions & Confronting Fears
00:45:12
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There is a leveling up of capacity. And this is actually, I think, really kind of where my work is going and how I talk about manifesting. It's coming from my own shit. I, last year, went through a really difficult time towards the middle of the year and towards the end of the year where I just felt like things that I wanted to create or have were not flowing the way that I wanted them. I wanted to be, had a visa that wasn't coming through. It's only just come through now. Right. Wow. Like literally in the last few days at the end of the snake. Oh, of course. So I wasn't able to travel. I had to cancel a lot of plans. And it's funny when I go back to thinking about what that would have revolved me doing and had to change. was like, well, if I was going to go do the tour that I wanted to do in Europe or if I was going to go and do the speaking or the podcast that I want to do or the travel.
00:46:00
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I was going to actually have to decide to have a lot less freedom. Yeah. I was going to have to require me to be more disciplined. It was going to have to require me to show up more. It was going to have to require me to take my health and wellness a lot more seriously. like I eat pretty healthy and stuff, but I was kind of just, you know, chilling. i was like, no, if you're going traveling as much as that, like your immunity is going have to be really good. You're going have to really, I know what it's like to speak on stages when you're really unfit. And look, I look, people might look at this video and like, you're not unfit.
00:46:30
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I'm thin and lean that doesn't mean you have actual fitness right like that has nothing to do with what you look like versus what you is actually your capacity but it's completely different yeah and so I would say to you you have to find out what's scaring you like what is that thing that you actually have resistance to and you have to work through that and face the fear of that and understand like what is that going to require I love that so much And I guess that steps into the realm of kind of acting as if you are already that person that has the thing that you want, whether it is wealth or fulfillment or happiness or, you know, a sense of relief. How do you step into the version of Rochelle that has the things already? Yeah. I think for me right now, it's nervousness and regulation. The version of me that has the things that I would like to have in the future is a lot more, I'm not going to use the word calm because it's not that I'm a calmer version of myself. It's that I'm able to hold more capacity without collapsing and I'm able to hold the full spectrum of aliveness. And what does that mean?
00:47:36
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The human experience is one of polarity. We are going to experience all the human emotions. None of us get to just do joy happiness, satisfaction, love, peace, cool.
00:47:47
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Yeah, we love those. We love it. Love it. Doesn't happen all the time, right? You're still going experience sadness, grief, pain, frustration, comparison. It's about how can you move through those, I'm putting in inverted commas here, lower vibe emotions that maybe you want to avoid without collapsing. How can you experience comparison for 15 minutes rather than it turning into a 14-day loop of feeling like shit? The spiral. Yeah.
00:48:14
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And for me, that is learning to move through the feeling and not make a story about it. And to have the emotions without letting the emotions rule me, right? Have the emotions without letting the emotions mean something about me. Yeah. And don't you think like if you're letting your emotions rule you, you're essentially letting the universe rule you in a way that is not aligned to your dreams. Yeah. Like, yes, we want to give up control and let the universe, you know, have its say and we want to go with the law of rhythm and then remembering there is the law of polarity as well. It's like we have to work with all of these different laws. But really, if we're working with all of these different laws, it's just about letting go. Yeah. And just in going with the flow and trusting the process. It's like letting the emotion to come through you without making it. It's like, yeah, I do feel comparison.
00:49:01
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cool. yeah Like I feel comparison in this moment or I feel doubt in this moment. yeah Let's not make a story about what that doubt means about me. yeah How about you just feel doubt because you're a human being and you're allowed to feel doubt. Not that like, oh, I feel doubt. That means that I suck at this and I'm not worthy, that I can't do it. It's like, well, no, I just feel doubt because I'm actually doing something that is hitting my upper limit. And when I hit my upper limit, when I do things that scare me, that expand me, that feel Like they are pushing my capacity in ways that I haven't experienced before.
00:49:36
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Wouldn't I feel doubt? Wouldn't I feel some kind of comparison? Wouldn't I feel some kind of stretch? ah Yeah. So it's allowing those things to be there. And if anything, kind of re gaslighting yourself in some way. Yeah. There's a little bit of gaslighting, um positive gaslighting, but just you know saying to myself, like okay, like this is actually meant to be here. like This is a good thing. This means that it is working in some ways. I get excited these days, and this sounds a little bit sadistic, but I do. I get excited about the negative emotions because I'm like...
00:50:08
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Thank you, doubt, for showing up and showing me that you think that I can't do this. Let's just let this run through. Yes. And then you can kind of like get excited. You're like, okay, universe, yeah show me how good it can get then if I can feel this. Exactly. and I think if you can feel that, I think you've got to remember that the the highs and the lows, they they go interchangeably, right? if you feel really low, then you're also going feel really high soon. Yes, exactly. So it's just about allowing that that rhythm to be there. The older I get,
00:50:36
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the more I come to the understanding that life is rollercoaster. This is my analogy for life. It is up and down. The human experience to me is it is all things at once. It is this full, alive experience that sometimes makes you want to throw up and jump off and other times makes you want to scream and cry and take that photo. You know that photo in the rollercoaster where your hands are up and you're like, yeah.
00:51:02
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But then, you know, in the roller coaster where you had that moment, you're like oh my God. And that to me is life. It is, it's not linear. It is so complex. And I think the more we have the ability to hold the complexity of it in our system and realize that we're not just having a cerebral experience, which is a mental experience, you're having a body based experience.
Conclusion & Gratitude
00:51:24
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Because you came here in the body to have a human experience. And the human experience is about being in the body. yeah If we were meant to just be 5D floating heads floating around, having like a 5D experience, we would be Futurama heads floating around and you wouldn't be feeling anything that you're feeling. yeah So it's just about the acceptance of that. yeah Enjoying the process. Yeah. And I think also, you know, subconscious reprogramming, that's like my wheelhouse. Yes.
00:51:49
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really just be someone very curious about my own limitations. And you have to learn to do that from, think the thing that's really helped me with my own journey is a meditation practice where I constantly am being the observer of my life. So you could just be curious without making a story. A hundred percent. Yeah. Rochelle, this has been such an enlightening conversation. I feel like I'm just sitting here being like... Wow. I love it. And thank you for opening up about your own story as well. I think that's really going help a lot of smileys. I really do. I appreciate that. But I will pop all of your links to your podcast, your book, your new course, everything in the show notes so you guys can find beautiful Rochelle. We finally made it happen. Yeah, I'll give you some discount codes and stuff that you can pop in well. Oh, guys, discount codes. Yes. Amazing. We love a discount. I'm such a fiend for a discount code. Like as much as I'm an abundant manifesting queen, I'm like, give me a little bit of a discount. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. Give me a special somewhere. thank you so much, Rochelle. That was honestly amazing. I honestly, this has been so good. I already feel next year when I'm back, we'll be doing it again. think so. Let's book it in.
00:52:59
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Yeah. Yeah. Thanks guys. We'll see you next time. Bye.