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All-New ANTiFanboy Podcast #40
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This episode we talk about the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer and the Fantastic Four casting, Jon has a violent reaction to Batman #28, and
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Introduction and Episode Setup
00:00:01
Speaker
Hey and welcome to the all new anti-fanboy podcast, episode number 40. Tonight we're going to talk about the Guardians of the Galaxy trailer, the casting of the Fantastic Four reboot, John has a violent reaction to Batman spoilers, and Irrational Games, makers of Bioshock Infinite, closes its doors. With me as always, John Suarez, and Devin Kopeck. What up?
00:00:28
Speaker
How about that? Yeah, that was good. Wait, was that practice? No, that was in the park. Shit, sorry about that. Yo, just to edit that out. We'll do business for my taste. You mean spicy? Here, let me go through again. Well, I just felt like you just showed up in a suit and tie. All right, you know what? I'll take it off. I'll just wear a jacket and a tank top. All right.
00:00:53
Speaker
Hey man, welcome to the all new episode of Hey Thine Fanboy podcast number 40. And we got some Guardian of the Galaxy. Chris Pratt, what are you doing? And Captain Fantastic 4 reboot? Whoa! Is that bitch from Howl's Your Cards? Crazy!
00:01:10
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Uh, John has a violent reaction to some sushi and, uh, Batman! And, of course, as always, Ken Levine of Irrational Games shits the bed. Hoo! Hoo! Hoo! See, that was way better. That was way better. So, is that how we're gonna open up... Yeah, you gotta open up this Watto. Watto. Watto car salesman. From Star Wars.
00:01:33
Speaker
Can you do the plugs as Wado? Do it as a businessman and then do it as Wado.
Community and Affiliations
00:01:43
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00:01:56
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00:02:26
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See? Look, that's it. He's not even willing to plug anyone else. That's it? He doesn't plug anyone else? No, he's not going to send you to a different pod racer guy. See, that first guy is like that dude giving like, that like college student giving his basketball review, that really awkward one.
00:02:44
Speaker
He was the boom goes dynamite guy. Boom goes dynamite. Yeah, exactly. And then the other guy was just, he was the drunk guy that doesn't care about his job, but he's been doing it for like 20 years. He's a pro. He's basically autopilot at this point. He's got tenure. He's got tenure so they can't get rid of him. He doesn't give a fuck. We got some good topics for tonight.
Rumors and Speculations: Space Jam 2
00:03:06
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Yeah, we do. We got some anger. We got some love. We got some confusion and more confusion.
00:03:14
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that. Yeah. So John, you're still in the, you're still in the Atlanta. I keep wanting to call it the ATL. It is the ATL. I know, but you know, there's people who aren't that hip. Aren't that cool? Listen, everyone's heard Cisco at least once. So we know what the ATL is. I don't know. What about people born like yesterday? Everyone has seen LeBron James talk about playing the ATL Canucks.
00:03:45
Speaker
It's not in that game called rugby. You mean LeBron James, the not star of the not being made Space Jam 2? So is that true or not? No. No. People are saying it's true. People are saying it's fake. Nike reached out to Warner Brothers, and Warner Brothers said no. Good. It's not a film. Good. John's happy. I didn't dismay. I'll be honest. You're a big LeBron fan now? No. I was kind of like, oh, it's LeBron.
00:04:13
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I'll wait. I'll wait for details. And then this way...
00:04:17
Speaker
I wasn't that disappointed. Steve, you're bummed out. I'm bummed out because you know why? Because part of me was like, I'm not happy about LeBron being in it, but you know what? I was kind of hoping it would follow the further exploits of Bill Murray after this. Bill Murray could still be in it. Oh, no, no, no. MJ would have made a cameo at least, probably. I hope so. They would have given him a billion dollars to be in two seconds. But what would your life be like if you played in that game and you just had to keep living your life like you were normal?
00:04:45
Speaker
You're interested in the characters after. You'll probably end up like how Bill Murray is now. Yeah, see? Like weird shit. Dude, you know, I saw there was a photo of like high school LeBron James, like Michael Jordan like visited his high school or something. And he like, he is like a head taller than Michael Jordan.
00:05:06
Speaker
Yeah, it's he's a freak dude. He's a mutant that guy which is what is gonna would fucking dominate Michael Jordan in a game No, yeah, Jordan went up against bigger people team futurist Jordan Jordan James land on patch viewing. Listen, do you many LeBron James kids? How many they're gonna be better John Bradley's and Michael Jordan's kids you see him play against those aliens They were at least like six feet taller than him
00:05:32
Speaker
I don't, I don't care. Michael Jordan can stretch his limbs. Yeah, Michael Jordan can. God, you're so ignorant. Well, God doesn't need to. He does. No, he doesn't. He just fucking, he fucking just plays D and earth shatters the earth when he blocks the dunks. Well, you know what? Space Jam, Space Jam 2's just gonna be him in his room being denied to being in Space Jam 2 and it's gonna be like his life where he was rejected by the Looney Tunes. Hey guys, I can help save the universe by playing basketball. And they're like, no, no, no.
00:06:00
Speaker
We'll play golf this time. LeBron is basically the same physique as Madge Johnson. Yeah. Except a little bit. And one was cut down by AIDS. And the other one is Madge Johnson. I know, but he certainly couldn't play with it.
00:06:15
Speaker
He did? I don't know. He played in the Dream Team. Yeah, and they were like, ew. Get away from me, you AIDS-ridden freak. No, they were too busy trying to hurt the other teams. That was after they found out. They went, ew. No, that was after the Olympics. So this probably got me from the Olympics. Is he the only HIV-positive Olympian that played during the Olympics? I don't know. That's actually a good question. See, that's anti-fandry. I'm really proud of you. See, topical. I'm going to look that up right now.
00:06:42
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I'll be honest though, I'm actually against professionals playing in the Olympics. Why? It's stupid. Why? It's the best in the world. Why would you just have children show up? Why give me fucking the team I know? Don't you want people watching the Olympics, Devin? Were any of those basketball games closed? You're just upset because we're unaware. Yeah, there's been one more. An Olympic diver, Greg Louganis.
00:07:12
Speaker
He won gold medals at the 84 and 88 Olympic Games. Wow. He did not disclose to the world that he was H.I. could be positive. He is not a hero. Magic Johnson, hero. Does it say you're not a hero? Is that you saying that, or is that the article? That was around the same time, too. No, no, no. This is Wikipedia, but that's awesome. Oh, is that what the Wikipedia article says at the end? He is not a hero. Magic Johnson is a hero, dude. Well, Lou Banus, really? Lou Banus, come on.
00:07:40
Speaker
It's not that hard to remember that. Slimy butthole. McGillicuddy. You know what? He probably got it from diving wrong. And... The Magic Johnson just peed in the pool. All I'm saying is Spider-Man wouldn't be allowed to be in the Olympics. What are you trying to say? I'm just saying. He has a blood-contracted disease. We probably should have. I mean, we're past the point now, but we probably should have did it. Olympic Games.
00:08:10
Speaker
Superheroes what you don't think spider-man has no spider-man would not be allowed to play in the Olympics He was bitten, but his blood is radioactive He has radioactive blood. That's worse and you don't think he's contagious, dude. Didn't you read the the old man Peter Parker? What is it good? Yeah, right spider-man Requiem
00:08:33
Speaker
Yeah, he did get married. He kills Mary Jane by giving her squirts of radioactive semen. Yo, no, that doesn't count. It doesn't? No, it doesn't. Stop. All I know is Doc Ock did Mary Jane Watson a huge favor. What did he do? Oh, shit. Wait, no, dude. He just took his body. Doc Ock's been squirting radioactive jizzer man into that little sweet. The little person. Yeah.
00:09:02
Speaker
Oh, God. Keep it. Keep it. They do it, right? Yeah, they do it, man. Oh, man. I don't know. And they never really like the best part. The best part is when Peter Parker is going to get his body back. He's like, oh, ew. Ew. What the hell? He'll turn Parker. I bang supermodels. He sees his his pubes shaved in like a lightning bolt. Like he's just like a super fucking model.
00:09:32
Speaker
Do you end of the end of an error man? I'm gonna be so upset All right, well, let's you know, I'm gonna be I'm gonna be upset when the Sun blows up and we all die Devin Okay, that is a sad moment. So let's not we don't have to like talk about that stuff guys Let's jump right into it Guardians of Galaxy trailer came out
Guardians of the Galaxy: Trailer Excitement
00:09:51
Speaker
Oh my god, I fucking laughed my ass off. Are you serious? You said, John, you saw it twice. You needed two for Deb, you said. Yeah, see, I didn't watch it. I saw it once, and I was like, I'm on board. I want this. John sent me a picture of him smiling, and it said, that was good. I did not see that. It was just a photo of him rubbing his belly. Rubbing his belly, smiling with a lobster vib on.
00:10:24
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Yeah, I see I watched it like early in the morning and I was half-awake and I wasn't really know I didn't know what to expect I was like dude rocket though
00:10:36
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He just woke up. He's in like a daze. John, I feel like all these things I've explained to you in the months prior to this trailer, you must have totally ignored. Because you're like, dude, there's a raccoon in this movie? And I'm like, Devin, we will always be excited about Rocket Raccoon. We will always be surprised. Dude, John, remember in the old episodes when he was reading Annihilation? And he was like, yeah, Rocket Raccoon was in it or not? Yeah, Rocket Raccoon's in it, I guess.
00:11:05
Speaker
He was so anti-rocket raccoon. He was never anti-rocket raccoon. He was like, you know what? If this team had Hulk, it would be all right. Because he's already on planet Hulk. Smash the stuff up. He's in space. Actually, fun fact, the planet of planet Hulk is on. No, but Devin, Steve has a point. Every time you would review an Annihilation comic, we would just keep asking about Rocket Raccoon.
00:11:27
Speaker
And then you show us the one page with the one panel where he's in and then we we'd be happy No, the planet that he was almost called like sakar and Korath who's what's his name dingin sue
00:11:50
Speaker
Guys Davis in the trailer the black guy whose name I can't pronounce You know, I'm talking about the guy who doesn't know he's like I'm Star-Lord. He's like who? Oh, yeah, he's flanked by Sikarsans They're like the grunts from the planet Hulk planet
00:12:08
Speaker
Oh, in the movie? Yeah. He's flanked? Star-Lord's flanked? Steve, do you know what flank means? No, no, no, I'm aware, but you're saying... Who is Star-Lord or Korath? No, there's Korath, right? And the soldiers that he's with? Oh, they're from the Planet Hulk? Yeah, they're from Sakhar. That is neat. Yeah, at least that's what I read. Do you think we might see a Planet Hulk movie?
00:12:28
Speaker
That'll be a cool movie to watch. That'd be my fucking bad ass movie to watch. That actually sounds like it's in the cards. Because they are going to merge these galaxies together at some point. I love the little connections they make. It doesn't have to be exact. Because Korath is like a cybernetic Kree in the comics. And I don't know what he is in this. But just give me the bare minimum at this point. I'm not asking for everything. Oh, like Winter Soldier. Yeah. It's not going to be exactly like the story.
00:12:58
Speaker
Just put a name on it. Call it Planet Hulk. But, you know, make it about Earth. Yeah. Yeah. Um, no, but, uh, yeah, when I rewatched the trailer a second time, when I was more waiting. You realized Rocket Raccoon was in it. And I was like, oh, yeah. Yeah. That's what sold me. Oh, man. He's going to be awesome. Did you see that? Yeah. You sent me that, uh, Steve sent me that, uh, that little profile thing they did on Rocket. Yeah. When you hear Bradley Cooper.
00:13:29
Speaker
He kind of talks like... He's like, this is our booty. He's like, this is our booty. Like, he kind of... I don't know if it's like an urban... He's not doing... He's not doing... Because... He's not British. In the video games, they've been portraying him as... In like, the cartoons and the video games he's... Because apparently, like, his original appearances in the comics, he was like, very English for some reason.
00:13:52
Speaker
I actually never really came across for me that he was British in the in the But you know, I kind of like him not being British cuz he is a nice Philly raccoon I like that
00:14:09
Speaker
If he's just from fucking Philly. He's from Philly, dude. He's a fold-up from a raccoon. You know what I'm gonna do? I'm gonna, when Guardians of the Galaxy comes out on DVD Blu-ray, I'm gonna take the footage, and I'm gonna cut the Bradley Cooper voice out and replace it with, um, that movie where he dances. Silver Lion's Playbook. Silver Lion's Playbook. You don't have to cut it. It's probably him. You're right. He's gonna be saying all those lines. Hey, go fucking Eagle! Ma!
00:14:36
Speaker
Actually, that's Don Juan. No, that's fucking American in a hustle, dude. That's American hustle. Nah, nah, nah. You gotta take that mask off. You gotta take it. So, who do you think stole the trailer? That trailer? Rocket. He doesn't say anything in it. No, that trailer, it's definitely Star Lord. He does spit, though. It's Peter Quill. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's Star Lord. In that trailer. He's got the Ubi Chaka. It seems like they all have manga issues.
00:14:59
Speaker
Cause that's what, that's what Bradley Cooper said in his rocket profile. Yeah. That rocket has anger issues, but it seems like they all do. Well, well, I mean, you have, you have to bit in the trail. I mean, you know, I don't know if we want Amy pond. We got a little Amy pond. Come along. Nebula. Yeah, I think so. Yeah. Nebula. She actually, okay. Here's, here's the cool thing. Let's hear it in the comics. Uh, Nebula is like the granddaughter or daughter. I'm not sure which of Thanos.
00:15:28
Speaker
And Gamora is the the adopted daughter of Thanos. Oh, so it's like Darkseid and Apocalypse and sort of like once his actual like daughter or something like that and the other he like he like Is like his was his like Doug Stamper to his Frank Underwood. Okay, which is like Gamora Okay, and then so so it's like their sisters but not really but I mean they're salty towards each other Yeah, whether or not that comes across wait, so Thanos is Frank Underwood
00:15:58
Speaker
Yes. Are you telling me that you're going to do a Netflix Marvel House of Cards? Oh yeah. That would be wonderful. Well, I guess he has, oh wait, I don't want to spoil anything about House of Cards. No, but I brought this up to Steve. Devin, give me your honest opinion. Who would win in a fight?
00:16:21
Speaker
rocket raccoon or dekstar the red lantern rage rocket original rage is rocket are you you gotta be kidding me are you serious dude are you kidding me i gotta agree with john i gotta agree with john he vomits blood on people he's a rage cat rage they turned the rage dude no get the fuck out of here dude rocket i love rocket dude rocket is a genius tactically and he's a weapon he's like a weapons expert should i change my twitter
00:16:48
Speaker
My Twitter handle to rage Coon That's just I don't think people would pick up on that so Gosh, I'm talking about rocket raccoon Oh God no, that'll be bad, right? Now dude guys, where's bat cow in this where's he fall? He's from DC Comics Steve chose deck star. Oh
00:17:24
Speaker
I was just speaking I was in fucking copy paste snob mode all right well it's because like everyone has like
00:17:33
Speaker
the ability to be, at least in the trailer and just those little character profiles they did, like every character seems like they have the ability to be like the heart. Even Dave Batista. Yeah, dude, Dave Batista has like a really sad backstory. It's just Kratos' backstory. That's why you love it. That's basically it. It's pretty upsetting. Yeah. What about Groot? Does Groot have a backstory too? Yeah, he's exiled from the Planet X. We haven't heard Groot say anything. No.
00:17:58
Speaker
Do they voice him yet? It's Vin Diesel, right? Yeah, Vin Diesel's the voice. Oh, that's awesome. He's doing an I am giant, dude. Yeah, I am Groot. So much money. And he's best friends with Rocket Raccoon. I love that. That's a good team up. Yeah, and Groot's cool because he can be saved by just like, there just needs to be like a twig. He can just like plant a seed. Yeah, he just regenerates. Good. It's awesome. So yeah, like Rocket's the heart, Batista's...
00:18:26
Speaker
The sad story. We're not going to call him Drax. We're just going to keep calling him Batista. Yeah, I should probably call him Drax. He's the soul. I don't know. Who do you think Drax is going to fight at WrestleMania? I think he's going to wrestle Peter Quill in a respect match. He's going to earn it.
00:18:44
Speaker
Wait, so who's the most powerful of the team?
Fantastic Four Reboot Casting: Reactions
00:18:47
Speaker
That would probably be either Rocket or Gamora. Rocket, right? I'd say Rocket's the most powerful. All right, yeah. I think you were wrong. No, but Rocket can't be Dexter. Devin, come down. No, no, no, no. Devin, you got to sit down. You were completely wrong with your House of Cards reference. Rocket is blatantly Frank Underwood. Yeah, he totally is. Who is Doug?
00:19:13
Speaker
Is Groot Dogg or is he Meacham? Groot Dogg does all the dirty work. Or is he Meacham? Oh, he might be Meacham, you're right. Devin's favorite character. Devin, you OK? No. I slept like a baby. Why? Because you fucking made it. Because you made yourself taste it earlier this week. Yeah, I did. We won't get into that. Well, all right, from the great world of Marvel movies,
00:19:37
Speaker
Let's go straight to the... shart world of... Fox? Fox makes the Fantastic Four movies? It's a Fox or Sony? It's Fox. It's Fox. Foxes, we like to call them. They're making a Fantastic Four reboot. And we knew some of the casting, but they announced officially all of them. Yeah, there was like one that was rumored, and then they never declined it. Yeah. Usually they do. Alright, so yeah, they cast it. Alright, here we go.
00:20:07
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, me. Uh, human torch. Michael B. Jordan. Michael Jordan. No, bear Jordan. Bear Jordan. Not bear Jordan. Uh, Kate Mara. Zoe Barnes from... Oh, uh, Train Hoagie. Train Hoagie. You like to call her? Yeah. Invisible Woman. Train Hoagie.
00:20:27
Speaker
Uh, Miles Teller, um, is Mr- Ah, it's Franklin Richards, right? AKA the Well Zombie? Is- I'd see that. Yeah, he is the Well Zombie. I like that. So, uh, and Jamie Bell from Jumper fame is the thing. Woah! Kurt Russell's the thing! They're gonna have to take him down, dude. That's fucked up.
00:20:59
Speaker
We all got hit by alien rays, what's your power? You know
00:21:05
Speaker
Whatever the fuck I am, I don't just spider head. Just a big blood spider thing. Yeah. Cool. So I see it's, they're definitely doing a much younger telling of the Fantastic Four. Yeah, they range from the late 20s. So the story's going to be kind of like they sent a bunch of babies into space, and then the babies came back. Sounds like they're going to go with more of the ultimate version.
00:21:29
Speaker
So they spent a bunch of babies in a space, and then they came back. There's no space in the ultimate version. There's no babies? It was a big teleportation accident. But they're supposed to be like... They're not supposed to be teenagers, though, in the ultimate version, right? They're probably... Yeah, they're college level. They're like, you know... So they're not 12-year-old kids, like miles away. Doctor Doom's not cast yet. Or at least not announced. There was a rumor that it was gonna be a woman, but I think that got...
00:21:55
Speaker
think that got crapped on um it's weird because I actually don't mind maybe Kate Mara maybe she's you don't know she could be dr. doom that baby balls it's weird I actually don't mind these guys on their own but as a group it's like really kinda
00:22:13
Speaker
I don't know who the bottom two are. Jamie Bell is... He was in the jumper. I hate his face in that picture. He's like a British dude and he's not what you think of when you think of Ben Grimm. When I think of Ben Grimm, I think of Big Jewish Rock Monster.
00:22:30
Speaker
Yeah, we're just big Jewish guy, like, that turns into a rock monster, not... What do you mean he turns into a rock monster? He wasn't always a rock monster, Steve. What? Oh, boy. That's... John, did you know that? I... I did not know that, Devin. Why do you think they... Can you explain this to us, please? Why do you think they sent him into space? Yeah, what other stuff does he have? Uh, hold on. Who's he related to? Jamie Bell was in Tintin, Jumper, and King Kong.
00:23:00
Speaker
Who is Billy Elliot? Oh, he's Billy Elliot. He was just he's listed as actor in all of these. I this app is terrible. I don't really. Well, at least I got Michael Jordan. I mean, oh, he's going to be in the news Royal Baroness, I guess. But I'm I'm down with the human torch casting to John. I agree with that. I'm all for that. I like that. Yeah. Yeah, I guess. I mean, because they have a good, you know, like that's what happens these days.
00:23:27
Speaker
kids get adopted. So why is that wrong? You know, I expect Zoe Barnes is going. I mean, God damn it. Kate Mara. No, she's she's I expect Kate. Kate Mara is I think she's got like the most like name power right here now.
00:23:46
Speaker
Um, sort of. Miles Teller is actually, he was in like 21 and over. Oh yeah, 21 and over? Yeah, nobody saw that, Devin. How many times did she act? People who fucking are in high school saw that movie. Opposed to motherfucking Kevin Spacey. Dude, he's from like the area too, he's from Downingtown, PA. Who, Miles Teller?
00:24:09
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. No, but Miles Teller's like... Still sucks, though. The kids know him. Oh, he was also in the Footloose remake. Yeah. Yeah, he's a real big star. Yeah, which name right there. Although Steve, are you implying that he's fat by calling him Well Zombie? I didn't type that. Pink's John. I know. I just think he's ugly, like the Well Zombie. Yeah. It's like weird, because I certainly don't go, oh yeah, he's probably genius. But then again, they went with an older cast, and that was terrible. So Jim, bottom right, right?
00:24:38
Speaker
Jamie Bell's bottom left. Miles Teller is bottom right. Now, if he was playing 21-year-old computer genius Max Geiger, I literally had to say all that so I could remember his name. I believe it. I don't believe him as Mr. Fantastic based on that picture. By the way, we are looking at pictures of movies. I mean, I doubt he'll have the Grey temples.
00:25:04
Speaker
But yeah, that's ridiculous. It's just what you see my issue with this. I want to fucking save a tenant should have been Mr. That would have been one. I mean, my issue is they're just doing this so they don't lose the rights. You're right. There was like literally like they had to announce something in like the coming weeks or else they were going to lose the license. This movie is going to be a turd sandwich full of ads. So it's going to be the same as Amazing Spider-Man and everyone's going to love it anyway. Right. Yeah. I don't know, man. See, Fantastic Four is tricky.
00:25:32
Speaker
Because I think that's like one of those concepts that It's really antiquated it is and isn't like like honestly It's almost Superman in a way, but without like the ability to make him be able to punch things like planets Like it's kind of like I guess they're like they're kind of costumes. They all wear the same They'd be a great tag team because they all wear the same clothes But the thing is like dude if the Avengers all had one outfit it would suck. I
00:26:02
Speaker
With the X-Men, at least they have some variety in their costumes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's like... There's two standouts on this team.
00:26:10
Speaker
One's a rock monster, the other one's a giant fireman who just keeps burning costumes. I know he doesn't, I know Reed came up with, you know, special stuff. Special sauce. It's just, you know, like you're saying, it's kind of like how people react to Superman, people react to this, so I imagine they're going to kill everyone in this one. And babies don't have podcasts, they're gonna love it. Oh yeah, they're gonna be like, oh.
00:26:37
Speaker
It was way better than Sam Raimi's Spider-Man. I don't know. I don't know. You know what? Deshaun's not going to like it. Frank will love it. Oh, yeah. Frank likes everything. But that's because Frank has a huge crush on Kate Mara. Well, it's just I think it's just like there's no pretty negative all around. I haven't met this single person that was like, OK. Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, this is weird. I'm not thrilled. But like it was not exciting casting. Yeah. But what's interesting, actually, and
00:27:08
Speaker
Mark Millar was like, he's like a weird executive, executive producer on this. Really? Yeah. Uh, and he's basically like, like they asked him like, Oh, well, what do you, like, do you think you're ever going to get tied up with the Marvel properties again? He's like, yeah, well, you know, we'll see blah, blah, blah. But he goes, he says, I th I like that it's kind of split up in the way, but he's like, because we, he's like, Marvel wouldn't have made
00:27:35
Speaker
Guardians of the Galaxy if they had Fantastic Four. I read that too. And I think he's right. I think he's right. I think he's right. So in a way, I'm kind of, I mean, we still would have got it. Like if they got the fucking rights next week, like, you know, whatever, they still have it. And we still would have gotten the Guardians of the Galaxy. But like, I do like the fact that Marvel is kind of being forced to think outside the box. It's good.
00:28:00
Speaker
which is all, yeah, you're right. Like with truly creative people, it's always a good thing. You know, like put limitations and if you're talented enough, you're going to get some great stuff. And, you know, assuming the Guardians of the Galaxy isn't terrible, but it looks great. It looks great. You know, it's hard. It's hard to not be excited for that movie. Yeah. And it's not a really the poster for it. You're welcome. Yeah. That's great. Yeah. Yeah. Like.
00:28:30
Speaker
Yeah, I'm just not excited for Fantastic Four, and so that probably helped too. It's been a hard franchise for me to even get interested, even when the first one was coming out. I'm like, all right, I guess they have to, because they have to. But I've never been a huge FF fan. Some books, they do have the capacity to be really good books.
00:28:54
Speaker
Yeah, what about Frightful? You love Frightful. I'll do Frightful. I love Frightful. Exactly. And that was Mark Moore. It's like your favorite shit ever. Yeah. Sorry, no offense, but if you're not under the Marvel umbrella...
00:29:11
Speaker
then you're not accepted. Yeah, I know. You're a beauty freak. You're the dirt child. Get out of here. Like the only thing that has anything remotely close to like interest for me is the X-Men movies and that's because they earned it with the last one.
00:29:25
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. Well the last two actually because Wolverine Wolverine was good Wolverine was good. So yeah, I mean they build it up This I you know, whatever we're gonna see it but fuck I'm not gonna be happy about it unless I see something great quick interjection real
Criticism of DC Comics: Batman and Timelines
00:29:40
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quick Devin and I saw Robocop I wish I could be in a teleportation accident rather than see it. I
00:29:52
Speaker
So you wish that you could get teleported and your molecules to not come back together and die? I wish. I was on a space station and I had to put these cryo rods back in but the water pool I was in started freezing and my arms and legs started breaking off but I still had to get the job done and then I died. Jeez. That's what I would've- That sounds crazy, Devin. I wish I was a police officer for a day and then I went down to take care of some gangsters and they blew my fucking body apart with guns.
00:30:22
Speaker
Rather than see this movie again. Wow, so it was that bad, huh? It was terrible. Yeah. 2 out of 20. 2.1. 2.7.6. Yeah. That's right, 2 decimal points. Fucking terrible, dude. Yeah, just don't say it. So, John, we had a violent reaction to Robocop.
00:30:43
Speaker
Yeah, what'd you guys do? I kicked my chair a bunch. He did. I laid on the ground like a baby. He kicked his leather chair, the recliner. I had a violent reaction to something this week and all I did was text you guys and tell you guys how angry I was. You did. You laid on us, son. Alright, so we mentioned the
00:31:06
Speaker
quote-unquote spoiler battle between mark wade and and uh... who was it uh... rick johnson of uh... bleeding cool and wasn't and dance lot return yes last week yeah and they were all pissed about spoiling the last page which was it wasn't a fucking big deal honestly like whatever like yeah that's a big problem i agree with both like agree agree both sides mostly with dance off though because of the
00:31:36
Speaker
things that have happened over the years, comic book wise. Um, but, so I read that issue of Batman number 28 and you know, we are going to, I'm going to spoil it now. Like it's been like almost two weeks since that issues come out. Yes. So I, uh, this is what's kind of strange. So, you know, I've been, like, I've been talking to you, to you, Devin, and to you, Steve, about,
00:32:04
Speaker
about
00:32:27
Speaker
the one comic book in DC that if anybody in the world was going to spend any money on, it would be that book, right? It's the best selling book DC has. And it's the best quality book DC has in terms of writing and art. So when I opened it up and
00:32:45
Speaker
see Batman fighting with Bluebird, aka Harper Rowe. It was a little strange, right? Because you're like, this isn't Greg Capullo. Where did Greg Capullo go? This isn't Greg Capullo. This isn't Zero Year. And this isn't even present day forever evil stuff either. So I'm kind of like, where the fuck does this land in the eight million timelines that DC Comics has going parallel right now?
00:33:11
Speaker
you know, one zero year is supposed to like kind of you know, level things out a little bit.
00:33:18
Speaker
Am I wrong here, Devin? Like that's one of the, that was one of the, the MOs of zero year was the kind of level things out. Yeah. Maybe not completely fix every issue that they have chronologically, but you know, at least make things a little bit more bearable. When the fucking smack middle of this fucking maxi that they have going on, I think it's like supposed to be 11 issues zero year. They throw out this shit and it's Batman fighting people with bluebird, uh, bluebird.
00:33:46
Speaker
like Gotham is like has a curfew and shit and there's a nightclub and fucking bluebird is this still Scott Snyder yeah yeah yeah this is this is Scott Snyder I'll get to that Steve um but um yeah so what happens is like fucking you know they find out that the kingpin of Gotham is Catwoman and I grant I just read Forever Evil and Catwoman is one of the main characters in that book
00:34:14
Speaker
And she's trying to fight for her life with Batman right now in the forever evil timeline. And it's your year. We haven't seen her yet. I don't think. Yeah, I don't think she's. I don't think she's shown. And we know this isn't zero year because he's fighting like with Harper. Yeah, he's fighting with Harper, who was established in like the who would have been a baby during zero. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Like literally. Yeah. So it's like, you know, so after I read it and it's like, oh, my God, like, you know,
00:34:43
Speaker
Kingpin Selena Kyle has a prisoner and it's spoiler. It's aka Stephanie Brown And she knows stuff or whatever Like that that was the whole thing like oh we have this this girl that knows shit Yeah, I don't really understand like that's her thing I I don't know like
00:35:07
Speaker
So, like, you know, everybody's like, oh, you're just fucking salty because she's not Batgirl. And I'm like, no. Like, I'm salty because this is a waste of time. This is a waste of money. This is a waste of issue space. Fuck Scott Snyder, too, for fucking, like, beating a little bitch for DC and doing whatever the fuck they tell him to do.
00:35:28
Speaker
Because if this was anybody else, they'd be like, no, why would I do this? I'm leaving. You know what I mean? Because it's happened so many times before. And Scott Snyder has the leverage to be like, I don't want to do this. So I don't know why he does. He's their top guy right now. He doesn't need to fucking buck for them. Yeah, so no. And the thing is, Steve, is they use this whole issue as a giant advertisement for their upcoming series, Batman Eternal, which I don't really know much about.
00:35:58
Speaker
All I know is that it's a fucking weekly $2.99 comic book that has Batman on it. And Scott Snyder is one of the writers. Oh, really? It's a weekly? It's a weekly, Devin. They used Batman number 28, their best selling book to fucking spearhead their weekly Batman book that they need to sell so they can make money. Yeah. So what they could have did is use it as an annual. Yeah.
00:36:25
Speaker
maybe did a free comic book day or a batman eternal number zero or numbers here or you know and let's say if they were marvel they would have did a point five or point one or something you know when it's pretty common 20 it looked it just happened like a few like a month ago or something yeah like oh yeah they totally could have fucking done that yeah no but I want to get it out for free
00:36:44
Speaker
you kidding me like no we this the best-selling comic book we have so we might as well just you know everyone's gonna buy it anyway so let's just throw this giant fucking 40 page advertisement for our new fucking weekly comic book that's gonna suck we'll just we'll just do that so people are the first issue of Batman Eternal yeah and this was I don't know I don't remember how much this was priced but it was you know it's
00:37:08
Speaker
It wasn't like two bucks. Yeah, it wasn't. That made twenty eight. It was like three ninety nine. It's three ninety nine all the time. And you're like, oh, I spent fucking four dollars on this garbage. Yeah. And like and it's like like no offense to the artist. Yeah. Yeah. The art was pretty good. I'm not going to lie. But it's not right. It was like it was just not like, you know, he phoned it in.
00:37:31
Speaker
He did phone it in. And I was talking to a little bit about it with Deshawn from Real Books Don't Have Batman, and Frank from Real Books Don't Have Batman. And Frank's whole take was that, or Frank's whole take was I loved it, obviously. And Deshawn's whole take was it was a good teaser for Batman Eternal, but I don't think it should have been in the middle of Zero Year, which I understand. Hold on, guys.
00:38:01
Speaker
It's all right. Was that on or did I mean? No, it sounded like you cried. Yeah, it sounded like you. Yeah, I just sneezed and I go like that's drama. You get drama in this podcast. Oh, but yeah, like so. Yeah, I understand where Deshawn is coming from. And, you know, we got no little argument about it, but, you know, he's like, uh. If it's between me and and Frank are the two ends of the fucking
00:38:30
Speaker
comic book love hate spectrum. I think Frank's like right almost in the middle. You mean the show or the shots almost in the middle, like leaning towards Frank. But but I, you know, yeah, I can have a conversation with the show. No offense, Frank. But it's not weird. You know, I mean, though, like it's fucking ridiculous to do this. Like, why? That's dirty. I hate when they do that. It's a dirty fucking thing to do because I'm going to buy this comic book.
00:38:57
Speaker
Because, you know, I could be like, no, I don't care. You know, I'm missing Batman number twenty eight goes from twenty seven to twenty nine. And they know people will be bothered by that. I mean, I'll be I didn't even know. Like I was like, what's this? Like, did they change artists? Like, I wasn't aware that this was going to be a whatever issue. Like, you know, when I read the title or the cover again, I was like, oh, OK, but like, I don't I just went right into it thinking it was the next chapter.
00:39:27
Speaker
That was greatly disappointed. Yeah, especially, like, you read Forever Evil and Selena Kyle has, like, half a mask and is fighting for her life. And then you read Batman 28, which is supposed to be zero year, and you see Selena Kyle being the kingpin of crime. Yeah, and you're like, well, this definitely isn't zero year. Yeah, you're right. I want to read Batman Eternal now. It's frustrating because the chief problem is
00:39:51
Speaker
There's at least three different storylines already. And it's really frustrating. Yeah. Like imagine trying to explain this to somebody once again, the bad man, like the proposed new 52, the one that's reader friendly.
00:40:06
Speaker
Exactly, like, well, alright, so there's Batman. Yeah, yeah, yeah, read Zero Year, it's a fucking origin story. But hold on, while you're reading Zero Year, you gotta take a time out, and uh, cause then you gotta read about the future. Like, what, this shit, would this shit be in a trade?
00:40:21
Speaker
No, that wouldn't be in the first year in the middle of my fucking trade if I bought it. That would just be something. I don't know. Because in the trade, it would say zero year is no. You know what? This would be up to twenty seven would be the end of the first volume. Yeah. Yeah. But if they if they were ever do like a full collection of zero year.
00:40:41
Speaker
Yeah, they would take out twenty eight. They would take out twenty eight and people would be like, well, what was twenty eight? People were buying it. Yeah, they would be like, what's twenty eight? And then they would like find it and then they would like read it and they'd be like, oh, this is oh, this was the precursor to that really shitty weekly Batman book. Oh, oh, yeah, that that book that no one no one ever read ever again.
00:41:01
Speaker
I mean, didn't they learn, like, hasn't DC learned? 52 was, it was really good. And then they tried it again and it sucked. Hey, who were the main characters of 52?
00:41:15
Speaker
Uh, what do you mean? Like who were like the main focuses on 52? It was like Booster Gold. Booster Gold, Ralph Dibby. The question? The question. Yeah. Montoya. Um, Matt Dicu, anyone? Black Adam. Like the big... But it wasn't, yes. Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman. And Strange Animal Man. And, uh... And then there was, uh... There was the one afterwards, Countdown. Yeah, which was everybody. That was everybody. And then they just did Trinity. No, that was Donna Troy.
00:41:43
Speaker
Roy. Jason Todd. Oh, that was so bad. Jason Todd. That ended with Jimmy Olsen turning that big alligator monster. That's awesome. I remember wrestling like Doom's, or Dark Side. Yeah, turning Jimmy Olsen into a monster, it's not always that bad. Dude, that was 52 done right. Or Sir D.O. tells me. I'll start Superman. And that goes the way we were talking about earlier, which was like, if you put limitations on people,
00:42:13
Speaker
Like, you can't use Batman, Superman, you can't use the big players. If you're talented enough, you're gonna get some good stuff. That's why part of me...
00:42:23
Speaker
thinks that you need, like you said, it's limitations. You need some censorship because censorship brings about creativity. People go over the obstacles to present themselves. Yeah, like, you know, there's the bad censorship and then there's the good, there's- Yeah. Yeah. I just want to call it limitations. Like, you can't- Yeah, yeah. It's not really censorship. Yeah. Like, don't take the easy way on making this hard on you. Like Metal Gear Solid 1.
00:42:46
Speaker
definitely a game that had somebody come up and be like, no, that's stupid. You can't do that, Kojima. And that Metal Gear Solid 2, he was giving him a fucking free reign. Yeah. And you get Naked Raiden. Yeah.
00:42:58
Speaker
and fucking weird mother brain as boat spoilers that's i don't know you don't know what i'm talking about there but i don't i don't care uh... but yes it was so steve or a six on does this mean you are excited for batman internal i can't tell john was this a good no for a good uh... to address the rest of them did he sees doing this thing where they're using the fact that everybody signed fucking petitions to bring stephanie brown back they're using that
00:43:28
Speaker
as fucking as something to make money off. Well, granted, they do have to make money off of it, but they're they're turning whatever that whatever into fucking people willing to buy a weekly 299 book. And it's Batman. So and it's Batman Eternal like this Batman on the fucking title. This with Scott Snyder, you know, quote unquote, you know, being the head writer for it. How many how many books does Daredevil have right now, Devin?
00:43:55
Speaker
While technically none right now. Oh, yeah. And yeah, yeah. But it's coming back. Yeah. Yeah. There's a new number. I kind of want to buy a physical copy of the number one just for that mouse cover.
00:44:09
Speaker
Oh, oh, yeah, yeah, I want to buy Just get that in the poster. I should I want to buy this mark weight trades of the Daredevil books. They're worth weights No, they're probably have an Omni boss dude. Just get that be sick. Actually, you know Marvel is in some hot water because their paper quality is like apparently fucking terrible and
00:44:33
Speaker
Like, like on a few like hardcovers, they just. It's not a problem. It's not a problem. Is it like recent? Is it like recent? Yeah, like like they said the most recent crossover that happened in Marvel. You think Disney? Oh, the paper stock in humans. Not in humans. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, God.
00:44:54
Speaker
yourself in infinity. Infinity. Like they said the paper quality is terrible. Really? And you're like, I'm spending how much for this? Aren't you supposed to read infinity digitally? Well, no, those are the infinity comics. This is
00:45:12
Speaker
Look, just shut up and give me derivatives. No, but they were saying like you could turn the page and you could see like everything on the next page. Like, it's so thin. And that was like Marvel's big thing when they first up prices. They're like, well, paper is really expensive and we use really high quality paper. But now they're not. Where's the fucking high quality Marvel? Like, what are you doing? Well, you know, to be fair, at least their stories are high quality. Oh, taste, taste it. It's true. Well, yeah.
00:45:42
Speaker
Because that that would take that anti fucking electronic comic books people. Yeah, it was like weird because it was news to me. And I was like, well, because, yeah, you've been so far out of the paper game. Yeah. I'm like, oh, now people are people are really like people get really touchy about that sometimes. Like somebody like somebody at work was like, oh, you read, you use your comic book or you use your iPad to read comics.
00:46:10
Speaker
I'm like, yeah. And he's like, why don't you like buying them anymore? And I'm like, well, because they take up space and I'm not a fucking collector. I'm a reader. That's like the best fucking. That's the best response you've ever slammed on. Yeah, I'm not a collector.
00:46:27
Speaker
or a fucking reseller, I'm a reader. That's like you just dunked on them and glasses raining down from the backboard. Boom. And I'm still paying for them. Plus, how many? Yeah, we've had some pretty shitty experiences at comic book stores over the years, too. No, dude, I when I went on, I think one of it wasn't crisis on multiple podcasts. It was it was the other one because it was not video. And I came off like they thought I was crazy.
00:46:52
Speaker
Why? Because I was like, I fucking like hate comic bookstores. Like, I don't like going in there because it's. Five, like there's a 50 50 chance that you're going to have a really awkward moment, which you're going to see something strange. And it's just like some guy's going to start talking about this anime he jerked off to. And you're like, dude.
00:47:12
Speaker
I could have gone the whole day without that. A lot of comics bookstores are not welcoming. They're dark. They're not. Yeah. They just know. But at least I guess Frank and the Sean have a good comic book store because they get to read comics there and not buy them. That's crazy. Yeah. But I would I would not let that open bad. Yeah. Like I don't know. They should never they can never use.
00:47:36
Speaker
why don't you support your local comic books argument comic book stores are you know what comic book stores should do is they should have like like six months or whatever like they should have like a free just read it like a pile of books that like go just read this like backstock or yeah it would kind of be like Netflix I guess sort of a physical Netflix you pay a fucking subscription to walk into the store you have like a
00:48:06
Speaker
You know, some of them do do that kind of stuff, though. Yeah, I mean, they they don't they don't let you read it for free, though. I mean, that's what I'm saying. Like, there should be like in a box where it's like, oh, sit down and read this. OK. Oh, kind of like one of those listening stations at. Yeah. Like, like, like, for instance, you know, fucking like like when elections was around. Yes. There's some inside baseball stuff. But like when I was, you know, went to legends, I like the first comic book I really started reading.
00:48:34
Speaker
was Batman Hush and the first ultimate book. Ultimates. You're such a baby. I know. But like I read those in the store because it was like the first comic and they weren't like, you're going to pay for that. You know, I was really close. Yeah, they were like, you know, because the business is more valuable. But yeah, you got the hook. That's the yeah. Yeah, exactly. They're like, well, fucking.
00:48:55
Speaker
Yeah, like they he's like, dude, dude, read it. Like he's like, oh, the new fucking Batman's and like, read this like, go for it. Because they knew like, by the way, it's two ninety nine. So, you know, if you read it, you read it, you bought it. Yeah. Oh, so like other stores where they give they sell the power rings. They're supposed to. Oh, my God. Do you remember that? I do remember that. That was I still bought them. But like, wow, horrible.
00:49:22
Speaker
Yeah. That was our dark period of trying to find a comic book store. God, if 2014 John Suarez was back then, I would have asked him, why? Why are you selling these? They're supposed to be like DC Comics that they're supposed to be free. That was the baby Suarez. Yeah. He was still evolving. You were fresh faced. You were.
00:49:44
Speaker
Was just a little baby my balls my balls were still in my abdomen still now your Charmeleon or Charizard Which one would you say we're at? I probably Charmeleon Charmeleon We're just angry I Kind of I would like to say I went from Charmander to I
00:50:08
Speaker
to straight-to-chars are i don't know how that happened it's just an out now i'm charming you get you drop down a little bit yeah i thought we've all been and and and i'll back so it is it's going on you or something nerve yeah uh... well you know how we got here but yeah of paper quality and how it's not a problem cuz we were digital yeah what up and although we drop to work in our space cars and then they turn into our briefcase it's
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, that's gonna be awesome, but uh what being said though I do like owning some hardcovers No, I mean that's what it is though. Yeah, you know like you know you'd like to have those things cuz like fucking Sandman absolute Sandman is something that you can put on a coffee table and
00:51:16
Speaker
Look, there's I get it. Oh, you can see right through that. Yeah. Yeah. So that kind of sucks. And wait. So is it like I'm not physically there? You know, is it like like like 1982 like paper quality? It's not that. But it's like like you can literally see through the page.
00:51:22
Speaker
You can't put a coffee table down. There's like seven of those.
00:51:36
Speaker
It's a very thin paper. Yeah, yeah. It's not a heavy stock. And it's not glossy? It's glossy. It's just not a heavy stock. Oh, man, that's not cool. Marvel, what are you doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They're trying to cut some corners, because the Avengers movie is going to cost a lot of money. No, they got to pay all those DC writers that keep jumping boats. They got to pay fucking Robert Downey Jr. royalty still. Iron Man won.
00:52:06
Speaker
Say yeah, John just sent you a link and you can just take a look at it. But uh Well that happens well, what uh last thing we're gonna go back into the world of video games and Irrational games Ken Levine they make what they make Bioshock infinite. Oh god. Sorry. That is horrible quality. What the fuck? Yeah I'm sorry. I'm sorry. No. Yeah. No, it was talking about the paper Wow, it looks like they spilled water all over it. Yeah, that looks bad
00:52:36
Speaker
That look like Devin took it to the diner. Yeah, yeah, it looks like water all over it. And then I bought another copy. I'll never have a pristine version of the confession. Yeah, that was Civil War Confessions, right? I'll never have a good version of it, because it goes on. Man, that's a good birthday gift idea.
00:53:01
Speaker
Steve, you can get them as many copies as you can. Oh, what am I? A time traveler? It'll cost you like 30 cents, if you can find it in the back. It'll cost 30 cents. I have a digital copy. Oh my god, somebody spills it all over his iPad. No! Shit!
00:53:19
Speaker
She poured it she like missed the glass entirely and poured it under your book. Yeah Why is your book on a table? I don't think I tipped her either and I don't feel bad about that Yeah, I kind of felt bad cuz we were at a good diner. Oh, so yeah the before Watchmen hardcovers are garbage too. That's what I'm reading anyway, so So yeah
Irrational Games Closure: Industry Impact
00:53:43
Speaker
Irrational games. I almost said Infinity Ward. Irrational games, they did Bioshock and Bioshock Infinite. Well, they were under a different name when they did Bioshock, but same team. Okay, they're closing down. Yeah, and it was just sudden too. Ken Levine said he wants to make smaller games. Smaller games that have more replayability. It's respectable, but it's really strange because a lot of people just
00:54:09
Speaker
lost their jobs. Yeah. Well, it's weird because it's not terribly uncommon that you make a game and then you lay off a lot of the people that made said game. It is different because Bioshock was a big deal. Yeah. And you assume it sounds like what's always a big deal happened was Ken Levine got an argument with Ken Levine is still under two. Yeah. Yeah. Well, OK. So what's what's interesting? I'm confused. Well, what's interesting about it is like, I don't know why
00:54:38
Speaker
OK, so he let he dismantle irrational games. I don't understand why you just don't just keep irrational games and make it lay off a bunch of people and make irrational games like a 15 man team. Is he trying to make it smaller? Well, he just got he's like it's no longer irrational games. That's an old studio. It's dead. I'm going to make a new studio with like 15 people. But so he shut down the company and got rid of a bunch of people.
00:55:07
Speaker
Yeah, but I don't understand why he got rid of like why he just didn't keep irrational games and just make it a team of 15 people and He basically said like Bioshock is 2k is like they can keep going and they probably will which is gonna be interesting to see what
00:55:27
Speaker
Do you think he did it? No, that doesn't make sense. I feel like he left irrational because he didn't want to be under the pressure to be pressured into making another Bioshock. But rather than keep irrational as a company that keeps going, he dismantled it.
00:55:47
Speaker
Well, I guess that's it. Well, that's an easy way for him to slip out, I guess. That's an easy way, but that's... It's not right yet. Yeah, that's ruining the lives of a bunch of people. Morally, that is a horrible and ethically that's a horrible thing to do. I mean, thankfully, I know a lot of people... They took care of them. They helped them with their portfolios. They had some payment structure and other video game companies were like... Oh, yeah, people are like hundreds of people. Oh, of course, yeah. We loved it. So, you know, it was kind of like the...
00:56:17
Speaker
The business taking care of itself. Kevin Levine is a talented, smart guy. He's a pretty respected guy in the industry. That's crazy. He's Adam Levine's brother. He's the sexiest man of the year for some shit.
00:56:38
Speaker
And he wants some shit. I feel like he just did this so he wasn't pressured into making a new Bioshock game. That's what I was thinking. And that has to be the reason, dude. Are you kidding me? And, you know, there was there was word that like... I mean, look at Kojima. He's like back and forth, whether he wants to be finished with Metal Gear or not. Remember when Metal Gear Solid 4 was the last chapter of Metal Gear? Remember when 2 was the last one he was directing?
00:57:04
Speaker
And Resident Evil 5 was the last Resident Evil game ever I remember that in 1998 they interviewed. Um, oh, what's his name? Shinshi Shinshi Makami and he was like If we're ever going to end the Resident Evil series, it'll end at five Yeah, no, but no It'll it might I'll chop my own head off for the chainsaw fit if Resident Evil 4 comes out for ps2, but you know what I
00:57:30
Speaker
It did. It's still got a head. But now he's making the evil within. Yeah. Yeah. Resident evil. Resident four point five point five. Well, scary. But yeah, so like, you know, I heard there were some issues with Bioshock Infinite. Like they had to bring one of the guys who did Gears of War on to finish the game. I remember hearing that. Yeah. He jumped on to help. And now he's back with.
00:57:57
Speaker
Or with Microsoft, I think. Well, it's not Epic anymore. So he was on like a month contract, bought Microsoft, bought Gears of War. Yeah. Yeah. He's the head of the team. Yeah. Like he was. It was him in like clip was in ski where like the two guys that like were behind Gears of War. And then he left that company to help finish. Yeah. It sounded kind of like he was on contract.
00:58:19
Speaker
well that's kind of cool cuz then he got exposed to people that works mhm for rational and he knows you know i guess he knows who's going to go ahead and i thought with yeah yeah so the last thing they're doing is the is the last bit of dlc hope so i bought that another third
00:58:36
Speaker
I bought that shit. You ain't gonna play it, Steve. Dude, it comes out March, aka the month everything ever comes out. Yeah, so you're not gonna play it, Steve. No one is. That's just gonna be free. I mean, I'll play on my dark dank basement. That's fucking sad. Hey, I played it for free.
00:58:54
Speaker
He did. I did. You know what? You put a lot of people out of work probably, Dev. Playing it on PS Plus. AKA the graveyard. Yeah, I feel like if you're, if it's free on PS, like PlayStation. It's gone. Yeah. It's over. It's over.
00:59:11
Speaker
No, but like, so, yeah, so there's issues. They had multiplayer that they scrapped and like all these levels that they scrapped in Bioshock. Yeah, there were two multiplayer modes they wanted to use. They got rid of both of them. Good. And you know, the build they showed at E3 was, I don't want to say it was nothing like it.
00:59:31
Speaker
There was a number of builds of that game. Yeah, but it wasn't what they showed, um, which, which bummed a lot of people out with American flag pants. Yeah. So whatever, like I get it. Like Ken Levine, what's that fucking, he wants that, he wants that Walking Dead money, man. It costs so much to make games now that publishers.
00:59:52
Speaker
kind of force you to keep making the same game, like safe games. And it kind of sucks. Uncharted 3. No, but they redeemed themselves with Last of Us. Well, that was the Uncharted 2 team.
01:00:08
Speaker
Oh, they had another team. You know there's an A and a B team, and they're both good. But you know that A team made the last of us, and Uncharted 2, and the B team made the lead. Yeah, they have to put that A team on Uncharted. Well, yeah, because they made Uncharted 2 pretty much jumped on the last of us. I bet you the B team made the DLC.
01:00:29
Speaker
I don't know. I don't even want to start, like, chopping up chunks. Oh, that was A. That was B. Oh, that's C. They brought some interns in for this level. Yo, but Devon, you really think the B team made Uncharted PSV? Or no? They have to have, like, a D team for that. Oh, no, no, no. That was a different company. No, it's actually E team, M team, and N team. Well, that wasn't even Naughty Dog, was it? It was...
01:00:55
Speaker
Like it was basically making that cheap-ass money by remaking the Zelda games for handhelds like you know how ready at dawn made two really good God of War games Yeah, and now they have a really awesome. They got the order. Yeah, like that was like the failed experiment that made them charted
01:01:12
Speaker
PS Vita game really like kind of like it's some company I've never really heard of and I don't even remember it at there's now there's a number of companies that just sort of go around ghosting other companies I'd say yeah capcom is the biggest one they're little sluts those guys we'll publish your Zelda remake make that extra $10 a game wait which remake
01:01:37
Speaker
They made all the Zelda remakes for Game Boy Advance. Oh, there you go. Did they? Yeah. I know they did Ages and Seasons. They did Ages for Color. Seasons. They did A Link to the Past. They did... Man, they are little Game Boy sluts. They did all their stuff. I like that term. Yeah, they're little sluts, dude. You kidding me? Oh, so... Trying to make that money. Cheap money.
01:02:00
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Alright, so Ken Levine technically isn't with 2K. He's with Take-Two, which is... Take-Two Interactive? There's Take-Two, and a subsidiary area of Take-Two is 2K. Okay. So it's all a little... That's a jumble. Yeah, it's a big jumble mess. Why don't they just call Take-Three Interactive? Once he can start working for Rockstar now? Yeah, it's weird though. I do think it's neat that he wants... Because Ken Levine is probably better used on a smaller game, or at least a game that...
01:02:27
Speaker
Isn't as I think that motherfucker. What is he wants to do? He wants to make like like he wants that indie game money He wants to be a dirty little slut with a kickstarter and he's gonna be like I'm gonna make a game that's reminiscent of uh, system shock. Oh shit. I already did that Yeah, that sounds about right And then they like pretty much want it to monetize Bioshock
01:02:54
Speaker
They made two and it fucking wasted my life until my sister. And then he made three and he probably felt like he was kind of hand-tied. Don't call him three. Oh, sorry. Infinite. Whatever, dude. Because two is not a real game. Well, I don't care. Two is the fan of menace. But like, yeah, so he probably felt a little handcuffed during Infinite, like when he's making it. So he's like, I want to start off where there's almost no expectations again.
01:03:20
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do it.
01:03:36
Speaker
less pressure titles it's gonna put that much more pressure on you when you when you put when you make a new title yeah but at the same time oh yeah okay and you fucking you it's not a sequel but like people are going to wait all those people off for this trash quality like Ken Levine yeah but like he's gonna be scrutinized more than probably there's probably less pressure to make like
01:03:57
Speaker
Titanfall than there was to make the next Call of Duty. Like, there's more pressure on this Call of Duty guys now. Well, now it's because of Titanfall. Oh, no. Well, no, because like the company's like, I hope it does well. They're not like, the first one did great. This has to do better. Like, there's not that mentality that a business has. That's true. I agree. So, yeah, you're right. It is Ken Levine. And with that brings a whole bit of, you know, bagging, so to speak, but there is still
01:04:28
Speaker
Somewhat less like it's not like well, he's got it, you know, he's not making Bioshock infinite to or whatever, you know He's not making the sequel to that Unless he makes some weird spiritual sequel in that case that he's a fucking asshole. Yeah, what the fuck are you doing, dude? But I doubt it arrow shock. Wait, are you trying to call Shinji Mikami an asshole?
01:04:49
Speaker
for basically making Resident Evil 4 again? Well guys, then we're just calling What's-His-Face the Mega Man guy an asshole for just making Mighty No. 9. Damn. AKA Super Mega Man.
01:05:01
Speaker
Can't wait for that Dude look up fucking money number seven who they just introduced its motherfucking proto man slash zero. It's blatant He's just remaking mega man for himself and I kind of love that you think Capcom consume for like no No, cuz it's not it's just so he I'm just making a sideshroller shooter and that's his art style
01:05:26
Speaker
Yeah, that's already can't help sorry and they wanted to get rid of mega man so bad for some reason Yeah, they fucking shit all over fat mega man twenty-fifth anniversary. Oh, don't give him a game
01:05:41
Speaker
Alright, Ken Levine says, new team will focus on making narrative driven games for the core gamer that are highly replayable. It sounds like he wants to make Skyrim a telltale game. I think you're right. It kind of does. I want a small game.
01:05:58
Speaker
Heavy narrative, high replayability. Well, the Telltale games aren't really replayable. No. Okay. Well, he's going to take it from the angle of mass effect. I feel where you just keep replaying it. Oh, you keep doing new game plus because the Telltale games are good, but they all kind of go. They all bottleneck into the same ending. Well, most things do.
01:06:18
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Well that and the one game I played from Telltale, you can't really play it again unless you want to kill yourself. I did that with Last of Us. Wolf Among Us, there's more replayability there because there's more
01:06:37
Speaker
What option you're gonna take type and like things actually change Like like there's there's a section that in that first chapter where it's like Do you want to go to to the house like during the day or later on the night? There wasn't many of that in the second chapter not much But yeah, John are you playing that he's not playing what it's not it's not for the video. It's not for the video I gotta wait
01:07:00
Speaker
You. Stop, dude. Hey, it's not like it's my choice this time. I know. Wait. And I should. It imports your old data in there, right? What Wolf?
Game Experiences and Marketing Tactics
01:07:11
Speaker
No, we're talking about Wolf Among Us. Oh, no, no, no. Actually, you should get that for the Xbox, dude. Actually, Steve or Devin, I discovered that I was able, since you logged in. Oh, yeah. Download it. I'm able to play it on my account. Oh, yeah. I remember you were playing it. I saw that. How far did you get?
01:07:30
Speaker
I know, was I playing it when? I saw you log in the 190, Steve. I have an Xbox activity feed, dog. What date was it? I don't know. It was when you were home. Yo, yo, yo, relax, pal. You're the one getting defensive. Yo, John, I hope you got a napkin over that Kinect that Steve installed in the corner of your house. He can't find that. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to cry. Don't connect.
01:08:03
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But um, yeah, I mean can Levine kind of Lost me on some level like Dude if naughty dog announced they were shutting down. I'd be fucking depressed. I'd be like depressed I'm literally sad and I wouldn't podcast like can we do it later?
01:08:24
Speaker
I don't want to talk about it right now. Like, why would we do it later? The irrationals like, yeah, Bioshock Infinite was good. Yeah, I hated Bioshock, so it doesn't matter. And like, Ken Levine kind of comes off as a douchebag at some of his interviews. He's like, I just want to make it, you know, for the bros.
01:08:38
Speaker
I just let it flat. Did he really say that? Did he really say that? He said he interviewed a bunch of frat houses. It was for the cover. It was for the cover. Let me explain. He interviewed a bunch of frat houses, and he's like, raise your hand if you know what Bioshock is. And nobody raised their hand. Like a few people. But he's like, that's not what I want. I want everybody at frat houses know what game I'm talking about. I just love that story where it's like, yeah, I went through a bunch of frat houses.
01:09:02
Speaker
Ken, why did you go to a bunch of frat houses? Dude, shut up! Why you ask so many questions, dork! Yeah. Yeah, no, he basically wanted more frat guys to play Bioshock. And he's like, that's why Elizabeth wasn't on the cover of the game. Yeah, that's why the cover is the reversible. Wait, that doesn't make any sense, still. Yeah, exactly. It's got Booker with the gun with the weird flare on him, as opposed to the weird sweet red back.
01:09:26
Speaker
I don't even like that other one either. I'm not a fan of it. As opposed to Last of Us, which has Ellie in the foreground. You know what my favorite is? The collector's edition Bioshock original cover. It's so classy. It's a big daddy. No, no, no. That's the original Bioshock cover. But if you had the collector's edition, it's this really classy texture. It looks like a Japanese cover. Is it better than Marvel print?
01:09:49
Speaker
Yes. It's the quality of being rebossed. So you know it's special. But, um, all right, guys, I think that's, uh, that's about it. They worked on. They were fucking
Website Banter and Comic Discussions
01:10:00
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done. So yeah, go to antifanboy.com every Friday. The antifangirl, Michelle, post some shit. Post nudies of her husband. Yeah. And trust me, you don't want to miss those nudies. Believe me, it's a fucking seven page thread. Her husband is like, he's like, uh,
01:10:17
Speaker
Like David Beckham and Ryan Gosling like molded together as one, I would say. Yeah, the latest one she reviews talks about kind of gives her thoughts on. Why don't you make up your mind there, Devin? Well, I'm sorry. I just want to cover all the babies in humans. She does. She talks about freaks. John, did you ever read in humans?
01:10:39
Speaker
No, I never read it. It's really good. It's Jay Lee's art. That's the one about Blackbolts. I think I have it. You do have it. Dude, it's really... It's about Blackbolts team? Yeah. Yeah. The Inhumans. Yeah. But Jay Lee's art kicks ass. Ooh, I love Jay Lee. I love him. He's like the better version of Jim Lee.
01:10:58
Speaker
Yeah, I would agree. He's the Tony jaw to... No, he's not, guys. Jim Lee's done so much for the comedy industry. I guess, if you're into that thing. I have like a hundred issues of X-Men number one.
01:11:15
Speaker
Yeah, but uh, no, it kind of, it reminded, it was like, I remember this. I'm actually thinking about delving into my older stash. Like I really gotten hankering to reread. I need to bring all my comics from my parents house to my apartment and organize everything. I think it's going to suck. You should fucking just tear off all the covers and then make, no, I do want to, I do kind of want to,
01:11:42
Speaker
get all my why last man's together maybe sell them as a as a lot you can make some dough as a lot did you ever do you finish that right? yeah dude i have all the single issues dawg yeah okay homie homie yeah oh yeah that is that is nice i didn't like the uh i didn't like the ending but you know we talked about i think we reviewed it yeah we well you read it a few months after yeah yeah i read it a while you kind of like fell off the last like arc
Podcast Challenges and Reflections
01:12:10
Speaker
Cause like finals happened or something. Yeah. I want to talk about those days. Yeah. Dark period. Where you threaten to quit the podcast every week. Every day. Yeah. Oh God. So yeah, you can check out Michelle. Wow. Way to fuck it. We made it a Debbie downer podcast. Sorry. Jesus thing was coming.
Conclusion and Farewell
01:12:34
Speaker
Debbie downer. Yeah. We don't give you good news. We should have ended. Oh, you want good news? Oh, Daredevil's great.
01:12:40
Speaker
Yeah. Nah, nobody likes that. No. But, um, yeah, antifamware.com. Uh, yeah. Check us out. Bye. Bye-bye. See you guys.