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Vision Goal Plan System – a conversation about success with Jake Smolarek
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Jake Smolarek explains the approach that helped him launch and build several successful business and not-for-profit organizations
Jake Smolarek arrived in the UK from Poland with £150 in his pocket, and promptly spent a quarter of it on a bus ticket to Abergavenny.
Half a lifetime later Jake is a successful entrepreneur who now helps other entrepreneurs to build successful businesses.
His Vision, Goal, Plan System (Vision GPS) approach contains everything anyone needs to be successful at work and life.
In this episode of the Abeceder podcast The Independent Minds Jake and host Michael Millward discuss the logic of the Vision GPS approach.
Their conversation includes the
- Difference between motivation and discipline.
- Importance of visible progress to mental health
- Role of following best practice to optimise effectiveness
- Significance of being accountable to someone else
- Value of planning how you will respond to problems
- Real nature of freedom
Listening to this conversation will equip you with the knowledge of how to approach any challenge with a positive mindset and meet the needs of that challenge.
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Introduction to Podcast and Hosts
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Use the link in the description to zencastr.com. There is a built-in discount. Hello and welcome to The Independent Minds, a series of conversations between Abbasida and people who think outside the box. about how work works with the aim of creating better workplace experiences for everyone.
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I'm your host, Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abysida.
Guest Spotlight: Jake Smolarak
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Today, Jake Smolarak is going to be explaining the benefits of goal process planning.
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Jake is an experienced and successful entrepreneur who has used the methods that he built businesses with to also raise money for charities like Great Ormond Street Hospital. Originally from Poland, Jake is now based in London, the capital of the United Kingdom.
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Very importantly, on the Independent Minds, we don't tell you what to think, but we do hope to make you think.
Jake's Entrepreneurial Journey
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Hello, Jake. Hello, how are we doing? We're not doing too badly, thank you very much. Although I think talking to you, that's probably not the right answer. I'm thinking I should probably be saying, I'm really great.
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No, it's all right. I've looked at your website, so that's what that's what I'm thinking. No, yeah. More often than not, people think that I'm like a motivational speaker, and there's nothing wrong with you know motivational speakers. I'm more on the side on discipline rather than motivation, because I think motivation is overrated a little bit.
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Very interesting. We could have ah almost like quite a debate about the difference between being motivated and being disciplined and how that impacts our performance. But before we do that and find out about the GPS system, please, how did you end up in in London? What's what's the backstory of Jake? So I came to the UK 21 years ago, so actually when I was 19. So actually I'm living in the UK longer than i was living in Poland with only £150 in my pocket, so almost nothing. And straight away I have to pay for a bus from Gatwick Airport to Abergavenny, a very lovely small town in South Wales.
00:02:55
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I think it was 39 pounds. I lost one fourth of my fortune, spent a little bit 10 months in, in Wales, and then I move on. And then, then eventually i end up in London where I started, you know, my entrepreneurial journey. What was your first business? My first proper business in London was construction business.
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And what other sorts of businesses have you run in those 21 years? As you as you already mentioned, I also built a nonprofit organization. And that was an interesting one, because we we build it, I said we so me and my business partner at the time, from two volunteers, so me and her to over 600 volunteers. So it's, it's not a small institution as you can know, as you can imagine.
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but But I also built a PR business. At the moment, I also own a digital marketing business, obviously coaching business, So a proper serial entrepreneur
Introducing Vision GPS System
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then? Yeah, I think so.
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It said on your on your profile that you've opened businesses, had successful businesses, but have never been afraid to close a business as well. but yeah I failed twice in a very big way and then I failed twice in a bit smaller way. But yeah, I remember like today in 2007-8 when I basically lost everything and a little bit more you know during those credit crunch crisis. Right. But now everything's on an even keel and you're focused on your coaching business. I love coaching. I love helping other people. think it's one of the best jobs in the world.
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For the right person, I agree with you. It is the right job for the right person. It it is the best job in the world. Some coaches follow the the standard models and then others like yourself develop your own processes and systems and this GPS system. How did that come about?
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Actually, the full name is called Vision GPS because the vision, it's a big part of it. I came up with it about 10 years ago. It was a a bit funny because one of my clients, you know, during our coaching session said something like, oh, so you're explaining this like ah like a GPS in the car. And I was like, oh, that's interesting. Because I was just talking about the vision and then he mentioned GPS in in my head. i was like oh, GPS, goals, plan and systems straight away. Because I'm i'm very big on you know systems and procedures and stuff like that. It was born in ah in a funny way.
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and But then I was working on it. you know It's not that I just came up with it. I've been working on that system for the last 10 years, improving it almost every single day.
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Yeah, it's interesting as well. I think that you can be talking about something to a client, to the person that you want to see a change in, and they put it into their own words and everything just sort of fits into place. Oh, yeah, yeah.
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I can so see the the connection between planning and journeys and a GPS system in a car, you know, getting you from A to B. Nobody goes into coaching wanting to stay the same. No, that's the whole point of coaching. Yeah.
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Do lots of people arrive in coaching thinking they're taking the easy option and are sort of like unpleasantly surprised by how difficult it can be? Yeah, sometimes. um i'll tell I'll tell you a funny thing. Sometimes when people come to me, I will sell them what they want and I will give them what they need. What an interesting thought. How does that work? I try to read between the lines. One of my favorite series on Netflix or just on TV is Dr. House. And Dr. House always say, everybody lies because everybody lies. And that's 100% true.
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I can see that when people come to me, they they should open 100%. But I'm a stranger, so sometimes it's difficult to do it. So I have to read between the lines. I have to ask the right questions. I have to dig like deeper, go and find the truth.
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And sometimes the truth hurts. A lot of people, not just my clients, but including myself, I'm thinking that you're digging in places that they haven't dug before themselves. That's correct. Yes. So you're building a sort of system to support your coaching. You have a conversation with a client who gives you the context to position it in.
Vision GPS Framework Explained
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talk Talk me through how it works. Obviously varies from person to person, but more or less what I want to find out is Mr. Prospect, what is it that you want?
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Like, why did you came here? You would be surprised that a lot of people, they they actually do not know what they want to do with their own lives. An average person, they will plan their wedding.
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They will plan their holiday. but they will never plan their life. And I have to say to people, you you have to plan it because if you want to have a great future, you have to you have to create it.
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Yes, things happen in life, but I think it's like in the Pareto principle, rule. Most people think that 80% of things they will randomly thought happen to them. No, it's kind of opposite. 20% things just happened and you have to accept it, but 80% you can actually create. That's why I came up with that Vision GPS ah framework that like, first of all, you have to have a vision. You have to know where do you want to go? Where where do you want to end up?
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It's like a Northern star. You can call it a dream. You you you can call it however you want. I call it vision because a lot of people call it but vision. A lot of successful people call it as a a vision.
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I love him Bill Gates said like computer on every desk eventually and everybody were like, no, no, that's silly, that's stupid. And now everybody's got a computer on them. Now we we have a computer in our pockets now.
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Like almost every single person on that planet has a computer in the in the pocket. A computer that is so much more powerful probably than the rocket, you know, 40 years ago. but i see the so the value of starting a journey, knowing where the journey, where you want the journey to end. The journey may not actually take you that way. But unless you actually say, this is where I want to get to, you are never going to get to anywhere really, are You're just going to drift around and be controlled by other people. Yeah. But going back to that vision thing, you have to start with one vision, but you will probably end up with a completely different vision, 10, 20, 30 years from now. And that's fine, but you still have to start. You have to start some, somewhere. yeah Like I had a conversation with a client. He wants to start a business and he, He has no idea what kind of a business to start. And I have to say to him, like, ah then just choose something because if you have no idea anyway, just start something. You can always sell it, leave it, you know, do something with it in the future. But you have to start. Most most people, they want to become good at something. Now, if you want to become an expert in something, it usually takes, as the book says, about 10,000 hours, right? That's to become an expert.
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But to become good enough in something, it usually takes about 20 hours. But most people take about 10 years to start with the first hour. Yeah, we can overplay things a little bit, can't we? Oh yeah. Never actually be satisfied. And I suppose part of that is that we tend to beat ourselves up. Yes. But what I'm understanding is that we have to have a vision or it is useful to have a vision of where we want to get to. As we progress towards that, our increased knowledge, our increased understanding of ourself and other people around us means that we are in a stronger position to adapt that vision and take advantage of the opportunities that come our way because we're not deviating from the first vision completely, but we're adapting our vision into where we want to
Planning and Discipline in Life
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be. Yes. The key thing is you have to have the control of that 80% your activities, 80% of your life. And if something else happens, then you can have the 20%. It's a lot easier to deal with the unknowns. The unexpected is a lot easier to deal with if you have a good foundation on the 80% of your life. Oh, yeah, 100%.
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You talk about someone wanting to start a business but not knowing what type of business to start. It's almost, well, why do you want to start a business? What is that you see as the advantage of that? And part of that may be so more control, maybe financial freedom, time freedom, all sorts of various different things. Oh, yeah. But it's about get going. Start something. Do something. Don't sit and be, i could have done.
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I could have been someone. one Be the person who who tried. Oh, yes. Oh, yeah, because I love what Steve Jobs once said. You cannot connect the dots looking forward. You can only connect them looking backward. you know And this is so true, which means like if you start something, and even if you fail, but you will learn something that will help you with another venture or with your another business, that's great. But you you don't know that. That's why action is so important. And I don't want to sound like this...
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know, motivational coach, like, yeah, you can do it. Of course, action is very important. know, making the right decisions is is obviously better, but sometimes even making wrong decision is also good. The worst thing to do is not making any decisions because not making a decision is actually a decision on its own that you're not going to take any action. and But it's nothing comes from that.
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You know, if you're not doing anything, you're not moving forward. We human beings, the only thing that actually make us happy is progress. progress in a relationship, progress you know in at the gym, progress with knowledge, progress with everything, with the business, anything. yes If we're not making progress, we we're not happy.
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you know That's why video games that are so popular because you're making so much progress in such a short time. And that's why people love it and because you're making loads of progress fast. But life can be like a video game as well.
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a little bit, not exactly, but a little bit. If you just start enjoying it, And even if you fail, you just you just have to say like, okay, just let's try again. That's exactly what I did when I came to the UK.
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when When people ask me, know how how did you succeed And I have to say like, listen, I had nothing to lose. So I just did everything that was required because even if I failed, i i just had nothing to lose. And that's very, very powerful place to be. Yes, I agree with you. Not having anything to lose opens up all sorts of opportunities. Very often what we think we're going to lose is people relationships with people who aren't interested anyway. Correct. It makes me think like, yeah, okay, individually we can work this, but with my ah HR professionals hat on, I'm thinking discipline and planning and having a vision
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although I've said all those in the wrong order probably, but if if you are, as an employer, have a vision of the type of employer that you want to be, and you can be very enthusiastic about being that type of employer, but you need to have in place the discipline to attach to that. And that would be where a process planning system would come in place, that you'd have a vision and then put in place the processes to make that vision a
Vision and Leadership
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reality. Yeah. So so vision is the most important, whatever you are an an entrepreneur entrepreneur or someone who's running a business.
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If you don't have a vision, no one can help you. you know Without the vision, people perish. If you are an employee an employer and you don't have a vision for your business, no one is going to help you, even your employees, because they have no idea what to do. But if you have a vision and that vision is exciting, everybody wants to join. Everybody wants to you know be part of it. yes and So the vision is the the most important part of that puzzle. It's the first part of being a leader, I suppose. 100%. If you have a vision...
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and you can communicate that vision to other people in a way that they can see their own life's vision being facilitated or helped by helping you fulfill your life vision for your business, then you are in a stronger situation. You'll have more motivated people on your team than if you simply sort of just and recruited the next person who came through the door. 100%. Being able to document how you're going to achieve that vision provides the route map.
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The screen on the on the dashboard of your car that is sort of just detailing the route that you are going to take is, well, it needs you to have the processes, the systems, the procedures in place to get you from to B. In much the same way as if you go on a long car journey or any journey, you would put in place the various things to make sure that that journey was successful. Yes. That's why you needed the GPS. Yes. And the MyGPS is very simple acronym from goals, planning process, not just the plan, it's a planning process, a massive difference between those two. And then s is for systems.
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And once you have all those three, That GPS will take will basically will take you to that vision, very simply. Lots of entrepreneurs look at the rules, that whether they're legal rules, the law, or good practice within a business type rules as things that are restricting them.
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But what you're saying is that those rules, legal ones or good practice ones, are actually the things that if you understand them will help you run your business more effectively or run your department in a big organization more effectively because you've got everything planned. You've got the system is planned and that frees up time, frees up energy.
00:16:37
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Oh, yeah. Yes, exactly. If you have plan or a planning process in place, it's so much easier to make decisions. A lot of people procrastinate because they don't have a plan to follow or a planning process. The plan, I suppose, is when you think about what might happen and what you're going to do if it does happen. So you're almost thinking about all the good things that could happen and what you're going to do. And also thinking ahead to, well, what happens if that doesn't work? What will I do when?
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the problem comes up. And if you've already thought that through when you're calm, cool, and collected, it's a lot easier to deal with it than if you are, oh, this is this is a problem.
00:17:26
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I've got to stop it becoming a disaster. How do I do that? I wish I'd thought about this beforehand. And you're you're not shooting from the hip as much if you've already thought about, well, this could go right, this could go wrong. Correct. happens if I've got this in place?
Strategic Planning for Success
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What systems do I need? What is it likely to cost?
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And of course, if you work out what the solution is before you need the solution, you're probably going to be able to find it an awful lot cheaper. Yes. Then you have to buy in ah inner panic. Yeah. Once you have ah your vision and you actually know what you want, it's so much easier to make quicker and better decisions because you can clearly see like, will this thing help me with my vision or not? As simple as that. If not, I'm not going to do it. If it will help me, then I'm going to do it. As simple as that. But if if you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
00:18:19
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You're right. So right. If you don't know where you're going, any road is going to take you there. But correct. You don't know where you're going. But that's called drifting in life, you know, and if someone wants to do that, that's okay. But it's not going to be a great life. Then don't complain that like, hey, this poor immigrant came here and took my job. Well, you you'll be not working anyway. So and maybe, maybe he took your job 21 years ago, but then he created loads of jobs.
00:18:48
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Yes. When you arrive with £150 in your pocket, you lose all well a good proportion of that on the bus fare to South Wales, and then you're in ah Kitchen Porter, ah but then you end up where you are now. There has to be something which has enabled you to get from point A to point B along that journey. yes Obviously, everyone has elements of luck in it, but you need...
00:19:12
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a vision and you need a system that is going to help you to get to the full, well, to fulfill that vision. That's correct. That's why the GPS is so helpful. The G is for goals. You have to have goals, but goals are not enough. There's an amazing book called The Atomic Habits and ah James Clare, he's talking a lot about goals, but he's also saying that goals are great, but they're just not enough. They're just part of the puzzle.
00:19:40
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They're just part of the whole thing. In my case, it's called Vision GPS, but you must have goals and short-term goals, long-term goals, kind of middle-term goals, because it's it's great when you tick off or you you know cross off one of your goals that you just achieved. you know you have a dose of dopamine released in your body and then you feel good about it because you just made progress and and we all love it you know we all love making progress that's why having goals is so important i agree with you you mentioned a few minutes ago about difference between discipline and motivation so i'm going to sort of what is the difference between discipline and motivation well people don't understand that motivation actually comes after doing things not before
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ah You know, when you do something, then you feel like, hey, I did it and you have a motivation. But to actually do something, you have to have discipline. ah Especially that when you have a bad day, ah motivation is not going to help you. Only the discipline will help you.
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And i what I do from time to time, i will have like challenges that, for example, i will I will run about six or seven miles, which is about 10 or 11 kilometers every single day for about,
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45, 60, 90 days, you know, every day, no excuses. And people ask me like, how how can you do that? You know, like, You must have a lot of motivation. Like, no, the truth is sometimes I don't want to do it. and Like it's raining outside or maybe even snowing or or it's very windy, but I just made a decision. I'm going to do it anyway.
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You know, that's that's a discipline. And people say, how can you be so disciplined? like I would say like, yeah, I take my you know discipline shake in the morning. Like, no, it that just doesn't work this way. when you decide that you're going to do it you're just going to do it it's a decision it's like but how can you run every day it's like how do you do that it's it's not even a decision anymore you know decision has been made now it's part of the day like eating a breakfast going for a run and then eating lunch and stuff like that it's easy and people say what about if it's raining well then i'm going to get wet it's as simple as that it's like decision has been made there's no excuses anymore
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they I'm from Yorkshire. There's no such thing as bad weather, just the inappropriate clothing choices. Yeah, it's just weather. It's raining. Put your Mac on. yeah Get out there. But it sounds as if having discipline makes the forming of habits easier.
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Yes, 100%. So the motivation is like, yeah, I want to do it, but I've got low motivation today, so I'm not going to do it. The discipline comes in, overrides the motivation and says, i am going to do it. I've made that decision.
00:22:30
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And then that can almost masquerade as motivation because you're doing it. But it's actually the discipline to do it makes it form the habit of doing it.
00:22:40
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True, but you can be very disciplined only if you know why you're actually doing it.
Discipline and Accountability
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So that's why you need that vision. Because you can be disciplined for a day or two or three or even a week or two. or But eventually you will stop if you don't have a strong enough vision.
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If you don't have... There's ah another beautiful book by Simon Sinek called Start With Why. And he's basically talking about a vision, a dream, North Star, however you want to call it.
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It's exactly the same thing. If you know why you're doing it, you don't even need motivation. and You don't even need discipline because you're just doing it. ah because you know why you're doing it if you if you don't have this eventually you will quit because motivation and even discipline will not help you because discipline will be it sounds like a chore it's like oh now i have to do it and i can push myself for long enough but if you don't have a reason why you will stop How does accountability play into this? Is it everything very individual to you or is part of your role as a coach to hold people accountable to the actions, the systems, the processes that they're going to follow in order to fulfill their vision?
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I always say to people that in business, but not only, this is just an example, but in business, one plus one equals 11. Why? Because entrepreneurship can be very lonely, you know, and then you might ah actually give up. But there's, when there's two people, you know, helping each other, it's, it is so much easier.
00:24:18
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It is so, so much easier when you have someone to talk to, to push you, to motivate you when you don't feel like doing anything, you know, that's why accountability is so important because, know,
00:24:32
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ah Sometimes one message to one of my clients can help them with the day or a week or entire month. saying Just saying something like, I think you can actually do it. No, Jake, I'm not exactly sure. Like, I think you can. and As simple as that. I'm confident that you can do it.
00:24:49
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Believe me, not once, not twice, but I hear that so many times, maybe not all the time, but often that, you know, Jake, I think that you believe in me more than I believe in myself.
00:25:02
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And it's a little bit easier for me to say that because I i already have seen this. you know Let's say someone is trying to build a business and it's their first business. I already done it like 10 or 11 times and I already helped know so many people, hundreds of people basically. Yeah.
00:25:20
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So i've already seen it. you know i know the mistakes. I know what's going on. I can i can see what's what's happening. So it's a little bit easier for me. and That's why I always say to people, like yeah, just just do it. It will be fine. Don't worry. yeah Believe me, it will be okay. How do you know? Because I already seen and I already made most of mistakes, maybe not all of them, but a lot. I failed so many times that I can i can almost predict, if you know what I mean.
00:25:47
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Yes, I do. I can imagine the frustration of seeing what someone is going to be doing, knowing that they've got to learn, knowing that, yeah, they will make mistakes and trying to manage how much support you give them so that they ah they make enough of a mistake to learn, but not too much of a mistake that it's unrecoverable from.
00:26:13
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Correct. Yes.
Coaching Satisfaction and Contact Info
00:26:15
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You certainly, ah yeah you do have a very interesting job. And I can tell by yeah the way in which you talk about it that ah you've landed in in an ideal job for you. And I've really enjoyed our conversation today, Jake. Thank you very much.
00:26:30
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Thank you. I am Michael Millward, the Managing Director of Abusida and in this episode of the Independent Minds, I have been having a conversation with Jake Smolarek, creator of the GPS Goal Process Planning System.
00:26:46
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You can find out more about both of us at abusida.co. There is a link in the description and you'll also find a link to Jake's website, which Jake, what is the URL for your website?
00:26:57
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So it's jakesmolarek.com. The easiest thing to do if you actually want to find my website is to Google my name, Jake Smolarek, because fortunately there's not that many of Jake Smolareks out there. And I'm quite good in marketing. So yeah, if you Google my name, I should i should be like on the first page of Google.
00:27:15
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Brilliant. We've got marketing expert as well on the front page of Google. Part of me wants this to find you now on the second page. You will actually find me on quite a few pages. There's quite a quite ah quite a few things about me on the internet, yeah fortunately or and unfortunately. yeah but Mostly good. Mostly good. All good. Right.
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