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I know Someone Who Can – a conversation with I Know A Guy host Anthony Markey

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Exploring some of the benefits of sharing knowledge and building connections by being a guest on a podcast.

Anthony Markey helps businesses to find money they didn’t know they qualified for and then connects those businesses with the right people who can ensure they use it well. He is also the host of the I Know a Guy podcast, on which he showcases interesting people who are experts in their field.

In this episode of the Abeceder podcast The Independent Minds Anthony and host Michael Millward discuss how being a guest on a podcast can be an effective way to make connections that help to grow a business.

Their conversation covers

  • The power of helping others to be successful
  • What they look for in a good guest
  • The importance of being interested in every guest and listening to them
  • The power of making connections
  • How podcasts can build communities
  • The successes that Anthony has had
  • The unusual experiences being a The pleasure of being a podcast host
  • What the future looks like for I know a Guy

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Introduction to Zencastr & Podcast Overview

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Made on Zencaster. The all-in-one podcasting platform that really does make every stage of the podcast production process so easy.
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All the details are in the description. Welcome to the Independent Minds. a series of conversations between Abysida and people who think outside the box about how work works, with the aim of creating better workplace experiences for everyone.
00:00:33
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I am your host, Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abysida.

Meet Anthony Markey: The Super Connector

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Today, i will be learning about connecting people with questions to people with answers from host of the I Know A Guy podcast, Anthony Markey.
00:00:48
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As with every episode of The Independent Minds, we won't be telling you what to think, but we are hoping to make you think. Anthony is a super connector who uses his podcast, I Know a Guy, and its associated platform to inspire, educate, and connect.
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Anthony is based in Des Moines, Iowa, in the United States of America. I will add Des Moines to my list of to visit destinations. When I go i will make use of my membership of the Ultimate Travel Club to access trade prices on all my travel purchases including flights, hotels, trains and even package holidays.
00:01:27
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You can be a member as well. All the details are in the description. Now that I have paid some bills, it is time to make an episode of The Independent Mind that will be well worth listening to, liking, downloading and subscribing to.

The Art of Podcasting: Anthony's Journey

00:01:41
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Hello, Anthony. Hey, Michael. Thanks for having me.
00:01:43
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It's great. I have learned a lot about podcasting from you in our previous conversations and from looking at your website. And we will include links to the website so that people can see and hear how it should be done.
00:01:58
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But bear with me. Hold my hand as we make this episode of The Independent Minds, please. Could we start, Anthony, with you just giving us a little bit of a background into your history and how you ended up creating i Know A Guy?
00:02:12
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Yeah, so I've been self-employed for seven years. I've always been in sales and things like that. And I had a lot of conversations with a lot of people. And as time went on, i I kind of boiled down what I was really good at and what I really enjoyed doing. And that was just the conversation.
00:02:26
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When you look at sales, that's that's how that's how it goes. You're talking to people every day. You're trying to sell something. And it kind of just naturally flowed into just having a conversation with no other agenda besides talking to people. So going from sales to I was meeting a lot of people that were never going to be clients of mine doing a lot of networking. And I decided, well, I want to try and add value to everybody that I meet. It's the the Zig Ziglar, helping enough people get what they want. You get what you want. Karma, the golden rule, the reap what you sow, the go giver, whatever words you want to put to it. I wanted to steer my ship into that. so I decided, like i said, going on seven months ago to start making these meetings I was having all about that person, recording it and sharing it. and that's how I know I got started. It was just a way for me to hopefully make better introductions in the future.
00:03:08
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ah Because if I interviewed somebody and they said I help people with X, Y, or Z and down the road, I'd bump into somebody that said, hey, I could use help in this area or I partner well with people in this area. I could just say, have you met Michael? And send them your episode and they'd let me know whether or not that's a good connection. Okay. So simple and as straightforward as that.
00:03:24
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Yeah, it kind of, kind of just happy accident. And it's quickly turned into the most fun thing that I've ever done. i'm Giggling, but I'm agreeing with you as well, because my own story was a little bit similar, but um being asked to create some content and thinking, what should I do? And then, okay, we'll have a look at how people are doing things differently, get some new ideas. And I agree with you. It's it's the meeting people that I would never normally have had the opportunity to meet who are thousands of miles away and sometimes just 10 miles away.
00:03:59
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Talking, listening. I think the listening actually is is a bigger part of it when you've got a guest that is the listening that is the bigger part of it and and learning as a result of

The Power of Listening in Podcasting

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listening.
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Yeah, that's absolutely that's absolutely right. And it's it's not a new concept either. they they have old sayings, you know, you have two ears and one mouth and then You read books like How to Win Friends and Influence People. And the best communicators are the ones that just ask engaging questions and listen and let people talk because everybody innately wants to talk about themselves, especially us entrepreneurs. we ah We kind of excel in that area. But giving somebody the space to really go into who they are and get through their three-minute polished pitch and into the real stuff that follows after, you know, 5, 10, 15 minutes and they start saying things like, man, I've never told anybody that before or Hey, you're you know you're asking a really good question. You're a really good listener because at the end of that, no matter how long you get let them go, they're going to want to reciprocate and then you'll have your turn to ah share.
00:04:56
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Yes. It's a giving experience, isn't it? Yeah, absolutely. that's the That's the whole idea behind it is you're giving somebody the value of actually listening to them because that's what we all want. We don't just want somebody to be listening, waiting for their turn to talk. right You want somebody to actually engage with you because that's that's what everybody wants. So why would you why would you go against that? Just give somebody what they want and they'll reciprocate.
00:05:16
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Yes.

Anthony's Business Ventures

00:05:17
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Yeah. You mentioned actually that you've been self-employed for seven years. What is it that you do when you're not doing i Know A Guy? Yeah, so i have I have two sides of my business. I have my B2C offerings and I have my B2B offerings. My B2C offerings are, you know, everything that I do is limited to the US. I can't work outside of it. um That's another reason I know what I started is because I was meeting a lot of people outside that, like I said, weren't going to be clients. But on my B2C, I help people with things like insurances, retirement planning. The people that I best serve are the ones that, they're the business owner, they're the primary breadwinner that if something happened to them,
00:05:54
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them or their family would be in trouble. It's like if you had a machine in your basement that was printing money, you're going to ensure that machine that if something happened to it, you're taken care of because we'll ensure equipment, we'll ensure all that stuff. But the goose that laid the golden egg is the individual. The best example is I helped a client of mine.
00:06:11
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He was mid 40. He was in his mid 40s. He was about 45, 46. Four months after getting him set up on a plan, he had a stroke. It paid him out over a quarter million dollars. So it was able to help him save his house because he was a truck driver. And if you go from making $200,000 a year to zero, you're in trouble. So it was able to help him recover and worry about getting better and helping people in that realm. And then on the B2B side, helping groups with benefits, health maintenance maintenance programs that lead to payroll savings, major medical insurances. And like I said, that's all US based and I'm kind of limited. I can only work with US companies with a minimum of 25 employees, preferably over a hundred. Our wheelhouse is really that midsize to enterprise, but most people you talk to aren't that.
00:06:53
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And that again, led me into the, I know a guy i think is most people that I'm talking to, i wasn't able to add value through my traditional business side. So it led straight into this where everybody I'm talking to, I can have a value add to give

Networking and Global Connections

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them.
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Yes. of the things listening to you there, I was trying to so listen to you and count the number of times that you've referred in some way or another to helping people, adding value to people, being good to people. It's an important part of life for you, isn't it?
00:07:22
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Oh, no, absolutely. it's it's It's not even just an important part of life to me. it's It's a natural law. You know, like I said before, Zig Ziglar, if you help enough people get what they want, you'll get what you want. Karma, you know, you help others, it's going to come back to you. The golden rule, treat others the way you'd like to be treated. The go-giver, right? Lead with value. I always say the universe is like a giant vending machine.
00:07:42
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If you put a dollar in it, eventually two will come out. So how many dollars do you want to put in it? Right. I'm looting the couch. I'm finding all the spare change and putting it all into it because I know that if I can put enough good out there, worst case scenario, at the end of the I've helped a lot of people. And if that's the worst case, it's absolutely still worth doing.
00:07:58
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Yes. Yeah. It's, it reminds me of a, an incident that happened this week where someone at the gym and had asked me a question and, um, you know, I, so I think I know the answer I said, and then, uh, the next time I went to the gym, they were like, you're brilliant. You're fantastic. And I said, um, no, all it is, is that you are someone who had a question and I had the answer. I found the answer from looking on my computer and what I'd done before. And so I just shared it with you. that's There's no great magic about it It's just you had a question. i had an answer. We come together.
00:08:33
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Solution made. But I think I do agree with you. It's ah just just help someone without the intention of necessarily that something is going to come back for you.
00:08:46
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But invariably, at some point or another, you will be remembered as the person who did something good. And you will be the person that that person then comes back to and says, you know, I hear you need some help. Absolutely. Like I said, I may never, if I help an individual, I may never be you know reciprocated from that person. But down the road, something will happen, whether it's minutes, hours, days, years, decades, something something good can come from it. And like I said, even if it's not good for me, even if I can help somebody and then down the road, it's kind of the pay it forward mentality. Down the road, they help somebody. That yes has a strange way of arcing back to you.
00:09:24
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Yes, I agree with you agree with you. You mentioned that in your, what we would call in the UK financial services business, you can only operate within the United States, which is similar for financial services people around the world. They can only operate inside their particular jurisdiction. But one of the reasons for setting up I Know A Guy is that you were meeting people from all over the world. How was that happening with just online networking type of activities?
00:09:51
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Yeah, ah from everywhere. You don't know who knows whom. So if I'm talking with somebody and they're like, hey, you really helped me out, I want to introduce you to somebody I think that would be a good guest or I think that you would find value in having a conversation with. It's spider webs. um I'll meet people and I'm like, I'm sorry, you're going forgive me. Who introduced us? Because it's hard to keep track. And then after a while, an introduction leads into two introductions, leads into three introductions, leads into, and then down the road, you're eventually like, I don't know how I got here, but I'm happy we're having a conversation.
00:10:21
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Oh, it sounds brilliant. What has been the most unusual guests that you've had? Oh, man, I've had a lot of people doing things that I've never heard about or never even thought about, or maybe I thought about and never took the next step to think about, well, what's the way to solve the problem? I don't know if I've had any unusual, unusual. Well, okay, no, I have. I've had guests. I've I've had guests where we'll be in the middle of something like, oh, my door, and they'll get up and they'll run off. And like, oh, wait, no. Oh, okay. Well, I guess I'll be here.
00:10:50
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Let me know when you get back. The dogs that are barking or the children that need feeding and the the delivery that they've been waiting for for all week is has finally arrived. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I've had all of those. Yeah, that or my favorite is when my neighbor decides, you know what? it's's It's the time to hop on my motorcycle and just rev it for the next five minutes for no reason.
00:11:09
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And I'm like, I'm sorry you can all hear how cool my neighbor is, but I'll edit it out. We do our best to edit those sorts of things out. Yeah. I know what you mean, though, when you say about the... people doing unusual things. I'm fascinated as an HR um professional by the sorts of ways in which people can find to earn a living and and actually enjoy various different jobs and how it's like, yeah, I would never have thought that somebody had that as a job or that they'd actually set up a business to do that. And, but people, know, whatever happens,
00:11:42
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in the world, there is someone making it happen. And it's been great. I think from my perspective, to meet all sorts of different people from all over the world who do the most amazing things. And very often they're doing it because their problem became their passion or they saw an issue and decided to be the catalyst to make that change as well. So, and who are your guests? What sort of jobs are they doing?

The Essence of Authentic Podcasting

00:12:09
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Yeah, it's been a very eclectic group because i I don't really put up many walls to keep somebody you know from from being a guest. I have three rules for somebody to be a guest. First is don't sell snake oil. Have a valuable offer. If you're like, hey, I make this potion in my basement and it cures cancer. i'm not That's not what I'm looking for. right I'm sorry. There's people out there that want to meet you. They're just not here.
00:12:32
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two Two is be passionate about what it is you're doing. One of the questions I ask everybody is, what do you love about what you're doing? If your answer is, I don't know, it pays the bills. That's that's boring. and You should probably go get a job. I don't know why you would do entrepreneurship to yourself if you didn't love at least part of it. yeah um And then three is people that want to network. that want to grow in a community, that want to find like-minded individuals that they can help each other by advocating for each other's businesses when they're not around. Because I know a guy at its core, where the saying comes from, I can't help everybody with everything, but I can meet people that are strong where I'm weak.
00:13:04
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um I heard this in one of my one of my interviews, and I keep quoting it now. It was episode 100, Joe Lombardi. He's the one that said it. If I'm a 7 out of 10, and I find somebody else that's a 7 out of 10, but in the areas where I'm weak, we're a 20 out of 20.
00:13:19
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right So I know a guy is at its core about finding a group of people to network with and grow your business so that you can, rising tide lifting all ships, you're able to help one another. So as long as somebody meets those requirements, regardless of whether or not it's a service that I need, or regardless of not, if it's somebody I've already had somebody doing something similar on, there's a menu of options out there. It doesn't matter what you're doing in what niche. There's a million other people doing the same thing, slightly different. So what I'm looking to ask them is, What sets you apart from everybody else? Why you?
00:13:51
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yeah Yeah. Why you is a a big, important question for every entrepreneur to answer, isn't it really? Yeah. if If you don't have that, what what are you what are you doing in business, right? you You have to have at least, and that's why I make the joke, entrepreneurs love to talk about themselves because we have the audacity or the ego to think, I can do this thing better than everybody else in the world, then do it.
00:14:16
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Yes, I agree with you, this idea that entrepreneurs are people who can who enjoy talking about themselves. But for me, it's also that they tend to be people, if they're passionate about their business, of what this problem that they're trying to solve, the service that they're trying to deliver, the improvement that they're trying do. to create, they generally turn out to be people that you could sit and listen to for most of the afternoon without getting bored because they're they're not repeating themselves, but they're taking you on their journey with them.
00:14:48
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Yeah. the The word that I like to use for that is sonder. If your audience has ever heard that word, it's basically if you look out your window at night and you see all the lights in the distance, cars driving by, planes flying over, every one of those lights represent another person that's lived as important or as complex of a life as you. So when you're talking to them, understanding that we've had similar similarities between our lives, but they have something completely different, completely alien to you that you've never lived before. So why wouldn't that be interesting to dig into? And entrepreneurs, we just wear it on our sleeves.
00:15:21
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Yes. Yeah. Too many people spend their lives trying to be like everyone else. And it's, you really reach your full potential when you realize that you are unique as an individual. There's never been another version of you before. There will never be a version of you again. And if you focus on creating the best version of you, as suppose you are by default adding value to the world.
00:15:48
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Yeah, absolutely.

Engaging Entrepreneurial Stories

00:15:49
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you're You're picking up pieces from your whole life experience and putting it together and putting it into your business. And there's really nothing more interesting, in my opinion, than hearing those stories about how somebody got to where they are, the the struggles that they went through, the ones that are completely different than the ones that I went through, or the ones that are the exact same struggles, but they handled it differently. It's it's forever entertaining for me.
00:16:11
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Yes. Entertaining and informative, but it's not a sales type of podcast. This is not a sales newsletter. No one's seems to be selling anything as such. They're just telling you the story of why they are doing what they're doing. That's, that's the point. It's not about selling something. It's about sharing stories about how the product or the service came to be the history, I suppose.
00:16:38
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Yeah, absolutely. i mean, we all have something to sell. We're all entrepreneurs. We all have to eat. yeah yeah But you can Google it. Let's say let's say i'm talking to a bookkeeper. I can Google I need a bookkeeper clicking on the one. But how most people are are really finding those people are they're the ones that they can hear about.
00:16:56
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know, like, trust, grow the relationship around. Because the last thing I want to do is have a podcast where I'm going into the details of the stuff that everybody already knows they need. Somebody's on the market to find a bookkeeper. What they're really looking for is somebody that can handle the responsibility that they're actually going to enjoy being around or having conversations with that are going to match their values that they're able to refer back and forth with, whether it be a networking partner, things like that. People that can synergize well with them, that they can find collaborations working with because Like I said, there's there's a million people doing every single job out there.
00:17:28
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So what's going to set the people apart is who they are. So last thing I want to do is more people with the details and really dive into the why and why them. Yeah, I say similar things when I do talks in schools about how to, you know, if you leave school, leaving your college, university. and you're entering the job market, you are going to meet someone like me, an HR professional, a line manager, someone that you'll be working with. And these are the types of questions that I'm going to ask you. And I can promise you, I'm not going to ask you many questions about the qualifications that you have. I'm going to want to find out about you because it's the prospect of spending eight hours a day working in the same office or the same factory or the same field as you is going to what is going to make it interesting and enjoyable rather than just, oh yeah, they do a great job, but they're boring. You know you want the guy who's the person who is interesting and fun to be around. and understands you is going to be much better person to work with.

Target Audience & Networking Focus

00:18:31
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We talked about success. Is there anyone that you think listening to or being a guest on I Know A Guy isn't for? Who who is your audience for instance?
00:18:43
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My audience are people, whether they're starting off in business or whether they've been been in business for a while, that spend a lot of time or a lot of money networking because ultimately you you really you don't need to. We all have access to the internet, which basically means I can talk to any entrepreneur in the world essentially for free. So why would I pay an arm and a leg to go have conversations with people that I can i can meet for free? Because that's that's all I'm doing. it's ah It's a daily newsletter and podcast. One introduction goes out every day. It's a two-minute read.
00:19:13
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Who are they? What do they do? And why should meet with them. If you read that and go, that's definitely somebody that I want to spend the next 15 minutes hearing about, watch the episode. right You'll hear from them who they are. So the people that it's best for are for the ones that have the at least maturity mindset that I'm not trying to sell everybody.
00:19:32
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I'm trying to find the people that I can collaborate with, grow my circle. It's kind of like the old fashioned town square where if you walked out of your shop, you pointed across the street because somebody asked you, where can I get a sandwich? that's my ah That's my sandwich shop. That's my banker. That's my banker. That's my lawyer.
00:19:48
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Right. Everybody advocating for everybody else when they're not there. So finding a way to make it efficient to where we can meet people, have conversations with the ones that we have similar vibes or values with and grow our circle organically, because we need we need more of that classical traditional networking, that pound square vibe and less of the. You know, I'm going to, I'm going rent a Lamborghini and pose in front of it. And whoa, look at me, you know, kind of stuff. So the people it's not for are that, right? It's not for the people that everybody's just a price tag that you're trying to sell.
00:20:22
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Oh, yeah. So thinking like I sat in a wasn't a Lamborghini, it was one of those types of cars. And you sit in them and then you get out of them and it takes you a little while to stand up straight again. They're yeah they're beautiful, beautiful to look at. And they all go very fast. But you reach an age, I suppose, where it's you want something a little bit more comfortable than anything else. Yeah, for sure.
00:20:50
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Oh, so I'm sure you must have some interesting feedback from the people that have been guests and your audience. Have there been any sort of standout success stories from from the people that have been on the program?
00:21:03
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Yeah, i've had I've had a few. um i've I've had a couple of folks that have reached out to me afterwards and they'd asked specifically for an introduction, which i which I'm happy to do for the people that I've had a conversation with that I know aren't beating up the people that I know and like with the people I haven't met yet, right? So making introductions like that and then hearing feedback with like, you know what, that really changed the direction of my career because they might have been in similar industries and they found ways to synergize together. And now they're able to go twice accomplish twice as much. And I've had other ones where people like I've had more interaction and more people reach out to me after. hopping on your small podcast than I have in the last three combined because I'm actively there. not
00:21:40
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you know Obviously, it helps my business to support more people that I help and I can provide value to and then know what I do, the better it is for me.

Success Stories & Future of I Know A Guy

00:21:46
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But also, I'm advocating for people to network inside of the group that I'm making because we all have our own LinkedIn or alignables or all those social medias where you can go read the about me section. right So when somebody looks at the about me section and goes, do I want to reach out to this person and have a conversation that's still kind of up in the air. So the next logical step is to hear who that person is from themselves and have that first meeting done without you even being there. And that's what the I Know A Guy interview is, is it's kind of that first meeting to get to know you. So somebody reads the about section, they watch the video and go, that's definitely somebody that I need to meet. So success stories have really been more people getting reached out to by people knowing what they want to talk about. They're not going into those meetings with
00:22:27
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awkward first meeting vibes. Oh, what's your favorite color? You know, it's actual questions and they're able to grow from. It's like you can build on the conversation or you start the first meeting with as if it's the second meeting because you've learned about the person you're talking to exactly from listening to i Know a Guy. That makes an awful lot of sense. I mean, I must congratulate you on the success. you know Every day, that's um that ah that's a lot of podcasts.
00:22:59
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It's seven times 30. It's a lot of podcasts. What's the plan for the future? It didn't start as every day. It was intended to be a semi-frequent thing. It just turned into that. Because I think, because it started October 1st of 2024 and it's turned into a daily thing. So I've done over, i did over 200 recordings in the first six months. What I'd like it to do in the next six months is, you know, stay on track, stay consistent, meet more people, make more introductions and grow.
00:23:27
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My main, my main metric that I go off of isn't views, isn't social media engagements. It's about the newsletter and growing that because, know, that's the people that I'm reaching out to that are interacting with it every day and using it the way that it's intended as a a daily networking tool where you get an email and then you decide whether or not that's somebody that you want to spend time and effort having a conversation with and growing a relationship with. Where I'd like it to go in the future is I can only do one a day.
00:23:54
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yeah That's going to be the limit that I can do. I can't do two, three, five, 10 a day. I just physically can't do it. But there's something to be said about other people being able to in the future when I figure this out to pick up the mantle. So I know a guy, you know, is international. I can talk to anybody anywhere, but that doesn't mean there's not people local that would like to have versions of it where there's the I know a guy Des Moines. I know a guy Iowa. I know a guy UK. I know a guy whatever. maybe Citi, because that's how networking groups and networking organizations work is they start as an idea and they spread to help more people everywhere. So there's potential for that, which I think would be cool if I can figure that out, because there's a lot of awesome people out there doing awesome things and I can't physically talk to all of them. So trying to find a way to have those conversations be heard by more people is

Closing Thoughts & Future Collaborations

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kind of the goal. right
00:24:45
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And I'm really pleased that you've invited me to be a guest on I Know A Guy. I'm really looking forward to recording it. And do a thank you ahead of time for for inviting me. to I know it's going to be great experience.
00:24:57
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I'm looking forward to it. I hope today has been a great experience for you as well. But I really do appreciate your time in helping me make such an interesting episode of The Independent Minds. I appreciate you having me on. It's been a lot of fun. And like like I said, I'm looking forward to having you online because there's a lot of people out there that would benefit from knowing you. Thank you very much. That's a really nice thing to say. Thank you.
00:25:19
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I am Michael Millward, Managing Director of Abbasida, and I have been having a conversation with the independent mind and super podcaster, Anthony Markey, host of I Know A Guy.
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You can find out more information about both of us at abucida.co.uk. There is a link in the description. I must remember to thank the team at matchmaker.fm for introducing me to Anthony. If you are a podcaster looking for interesting guests, or if like Anthony, you have something very interesting to say, matchmaker.fm is where great hosts and great guests are matched.
00:25:54
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00:26:27
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That description is well worth reading. I'm sure that you will have enjoyed this episode of The Independent Minds as much as Anthony and I have enjoyed making it. Please give it a like and download it so you can listen anytime, anywhere.
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00:26:53
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Until the next episode of The Independent Minds, or the episode of i Know A Guy, with me, where I will be the guest, thank you for listening, and goodbye.