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252 - The Town That Dreaded Sundown (2014) w/ Brian Keiper
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“I just don't understand why he thinks we deserve this.”
We're wrapping up our 2000s-Era Horror Remakes Spooky-thon with this meta-horror remake/sequel/reboot! (Don't worry - we get into it!) And we've got our good friend Brian Keiper back to talk about true crime, religion, and our relationship with the movie that inspired this film!
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- Be on the lookout for Holy Terrors, Brian's forthcoming podcast about horror and religion!
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Transcript
Failed Franchise Films
00:00:22
Speaker
Welcome to your number one source of trombone deaths. It's the disenfranchised podcast where that podcast all about those franchises of one, those films that fancy themselves full-fledged franchises before falling flat on their face after the first film.
00:00:36
Speaker
I'm your host, Stephen Foxworthy, and joining me today, as always, the man who puts the letter J in meta horror. It's Tucker. Hey, Tucker. hi Stephen.
00:00:48
Speaker
ah How's it going? It's going. How are you? doing all right i had to watch this movie twice um how lucky are you i don' i'm lucky because like it it finally forced me to go get a library card you're welcome and it's really unfortunate that like i couldn't like be on my same account as when i was a kid or whatever who um but it's I think they expire after a year or something. yeah I had to get a new one. And that's fine.
00:01:22
Speaker
it's um it's I got a little fob on my keys. That's really cool. A new thing on my keys. Everybody likes that. it kind of Because these kind of went out of style. The little key thingies yeah you don't see all of those only one you have on your keys that's insane because people just be putting their phone numbers in for all this kind of stuff like you don't need your kroger express card on here you don't need your tops card on here you don't need any of that you just put in your phone number i just feel like i'm jumping back in time like 15 years by having this online i still have like 20 of those on my key ring so i'll bet you do i want to see your key ring steven one day in private
00:02:00
Speaker
Yeah, it's hanging up right
Guest Introduction: Brian Kuiper
00:02:02
Speaker
now. Anyway, enough about that. our our Our third co-host, Brett Wright, and sometimes Brett, um has has crossed the border to the other side of town.
00:02:12
Speaker
ah We're hoping he makes it back safely. But in his stead, we're not alone. We've got a guest, a great guest, a guest who has not been on in far too long. You probably remember him from some of our best episodes, including but not limited to Bubba Hotep Commando and Follow That Bird.
00:02:30
Speaker
Welcome back to the podcast, the great Brian Kuiper. Brian, welcome back. Hey, it's great to be here. It's about time. It's been a while. i' i've miss yeah I've missed you.
00:02:44
Speaker
ah Well, actually, I haven't because we've been on a lot together with the Pod the Pendulum. So it's nice to see you again. And it's nice to actually officially meet Tucker. This has been and a very pleasant experience so far. But then we haven't started talking about the movie yet.
00:03:02
Speaker
So correct we'll see how that goes.
Exploring 'The Town That Dreaded Sundown' Remake
00:03:05
Speaker
We've only just begun. and of course, we are in ah coming to the end of our spooky thon marathon of 2000s era remakes.
00:03:18
Speaker
And we're finishing up with the 2014 remake sequel, sidequel, rebootquel, the town that dreaded sundown. And boy, how do we're going to get into all of that shit?
00:03:34
Speaker
Nice. ah Because holy cow. um Brian, i you, we were actually, i I brought this up when we were on a recent episode of, ah I think it was, was it the 300th episode? was It was that or Predators. I'm not sure which.
00:03:49
Speaker
It was one of those. It was one of those. But I mentioned that we were going to be covering ah The Town, The Dreaded Sundown. And Brian's like, ooh, I like I think we decided live on the air, as I recall.
00:04:01
Speaker
Yeah. and ah that I think you're right. I think it was Predators because I was listening to that and the other day and I heard that entire conversation. So anyway, tangents are fun, but it worked out.
00:04:14
Speaker
It worked out yeah because, hey, I had forgotten ah much about this movie. I was like, ooh, of all the ones you mentioned, this was the one that made me go, ooh, I remember liking that.
00:04:28
Speaker
Yeah. We'll see if that has changed or not. We will. Through the course of this conversation, yeah in the fullness of time, we will come to a consensus on that point.
Original vs. Remake: A Slasher Discussion
00:04:38
Speaker
um But what is your what is your history with the the original town that dreaded Sundown, with the story of the Texarkana Moonlight murders? like what yeah Go man. You know, this is an interesting one because, okay, back in the late 90s, it must have been, I was on a quest to see every movie referenced or mentioned in Scream.
00:05:03
Speaker
Oh, you took mine. A big Scream fan, are you? ah i Well, ah yes. Brian, give us your complete detailed history with Wes Craven. We don't have time. We do not have time for that.
00:05:18
Speaker
ah But hey, I put something witty in the notes, so we'll see if that comes up at some point. I love it. I can't wait. Okay. um But yeah, that was the thing. It's like, ah look at this place. It looks like the town that dreaded sundown.
00:05:31
Speaker
And ah Dewey says, yeah, that's about it. I saw that. That's about a killer in Texas, right? And so that was that. So I ah remember the horror section at Blockbuster Video.
00:05:43
Speaker
That was actually a decent Blockbuster but video back then because some of them were like really corporate and some of them were a little more indie. This one was a little more indie. So they had a lot of stuff. I checked out I Spit on Your Grave from there, the original, which was a surprise.
00:06:00
Speaker
I bought ah the original Toxic Avenger. on VHS from that store. yeah Nice. Yeah. And, uh, that was fun. Um, but then I remember, uh, getting the town, the dreaded sundown and not really getting it. I don't think it was just sort of like, okay.
00:06:18
Speaker
At the time. Okay. So it's, it falls into that weird spot, like where, ah slashers are starting to become slashers, but Halloween hasn't happened yet. Friday the 13th is still a few years off.
00:06:36
Speaker
So it's sort of like, but it's weird. He's like prescient because there's something about this very Friday the 13th part two about it too. yeah But then, but then it's like, but I don't know. There were things that I was really uncomfortable with the ambiguity of the ending of it and all sorts of things at the time.
00:06:55
Speaker
Now, Years later, I actually quite enjoy the original a lot. i think it's um I think it's an interesting movie. Yes, it's a proto slasher.
00:07:07
Speaker
um and it's And when I found out that, you know, hey, they weren't just doing bullshit like a lot of 70s movies do and saying, hey, this is a true story, but not really a true story.
00:07:20
Speaker
It's actually- Look at you, Texas Chainsaw Massacre. Right, right. And about a billion other, you know, ah grindhouse movies from the 70s. But um yeah, and people got pissed off when the Coen brothers did it in the 90s, which I think is really funny.
True Crime in Film: Fact vs. Fiction
00:07:35
Speaker
it was like It's like they didn't get the joke at all. um But anyway, I think that I really have come to appreciate it. And part of it was because I saw like a History Channel documentary or something like that about the actual Texarkana murders.
00:07:51
Speaker
And um yeah, they did. so They had some liberties, you know, um there there wasn't a trombone used. She was a saxophone player, for example. um And she wasn't playing at prom either. That's right.
00:08:05
Speaker
That's right. there were some There was like a Legion gig or Yeah. Yeah. But there was like legit elements from the real case that made it into the movie. And I thought that was kind of kind of cool.
00:08:17
Speaker
um yeah And ah so I revisited the movie. I've got that on. I'm pretty sure I've got it on Blu-ray. Scream Factory, I think, put it out. Are there any features?
00:08:28
Speaker
Does that have any special features? ah Well, if you hold on a second, I could let you know, but that would require me to go over. I mean, we can van I need to know. mr I gots to know.
00:08:40
Speaker
Tucker is a no okay he is a... I gotta know, man. Just a complete slut for special features. The thing is, is like i it's like I have this on VHS, but I've been thinking about getting the Blu-ray,
00:08:54
Speaker
but i would i would get the Blu-ray for that movie. 100%. kind of want to wait i want to wait for a 4K. I kind of do too, though. because if You have misplaced it. placed Oh, no! not sure had it. I know it's around there somewhere.
00:09:11
Speaker
I totally believe you do. I have, I have totally broken my streak of just being able to reach over to a shelf and was going to say that's, that is your, that is your hallmark. That is your very disappointed with myself. Sorry about that. Um, so I can edit this all out if you want. Yeah, please do. Cause that was embarrassing. Um, I'm not going to, I'm not for sure. I had it though.
00:09:34
Speaker
Particularly given your track record. Like, and I know, well, everything should be in alphabetical order and it's, Not there. Oh, wait a minute. I was thinking the wrong alphabetical order.
00:09:46
Speaker
Oh, shit. It's chronological. Autobiographical? he's probably He was probably looking under The instead of Town, maybe. You know, one thing that I still take from ah High Fidelity, even though I don't find that film as enjoying it ah joy enjoyable as I used to,
00:10:05
Speaker
is I do want to organize things autobiographically. That sounds really interesting. That sounds like a lot of time headache. I think it's in my to-be-filed pile. Sorry.
00:10:18
Speaker
Okay. That's okay. We'll forgive you this time. There's no... There are no special features. Oh, wait. There's a commentary. um There's an essay about the film and real-life murder. Poster and still gallery.
00:10:32
Speaker
Theatrical trailer. Like, three different featurettes, one with ah actors and an interview with the director of photography. Yeah, I'll buy that.
00:10:43
Speaker
Yeah, Screen Factory usually does a good job, at least with the commentaries like, you know, the Mario Bava set, including ah Black Sunday, now available on 4K, featuring a commentary from yours truly. nice.
00:10:57
Speaker
All right. So, a really? that i work that is okay so I'm glad you worked that in too. and I'm putting that on my list right now.
Meta Horror: Beyond 'Scream'
00:11:07
Speaker
Yeah. ah Yeah. There's a standalone 4k release of a black Sunday, um which is a great one. I mean, come on.
00:11:15
Speaker
If you you could do a lot worse than, than black Sunday from Mario Bava. You could also do a lot worse than a commentary from Brian Kuiper. That's for sure. Yeah, yeah. and there there's like four commentaries on there. So I'm... I'm only going to listen to one, Brian.
00:11:31
Speaker
One amongst giants on there. um So anyway, ah Town of the Dreaded Sundown, like I said, I'm pretty sure I've got the Blu-ray somewhere, but that's really embarrassing.
00:11:41
Speaker
um And ah so i I do enjoy it. um And when I heard later... that, hey, they're going to remake it. was like, oh boy, because this was you know the remake thing.
00:11:54
Speaker
But then they were talking about, you know what, but they're going to do it different because it's... um there's these screenings of the movie ah every, every year or something like that at Halloween and in the town.
00:12:12
Speaker
And so they're going to make it a killer, like a copycat killer who is killing at the screening. That's not exactly what the movie is, but that was sort of the jumping off point, I think.
00:12:26
Speaker
And a fantastic premise in theater. Yeah. yeah And I think that, um and I remember when I finally did see it, I was like, hey you know, all right.
00:12:36
Speaker
I think that's ah pretty good, you know, to do the, the meta approach. um And I'm kind of a sucker for the meta approach. i yeah I was going to say you just programmed an entire Halloween movie marathon over at Pot and Pendulum centered around MetaHorror. And honestly, it was the marathon of the night, as I recall.
00:12:59
Speaker
Is New Nightmare in there? No. I made a very specific effort not to do anything that was too obvious.
00:13:10
Speaker
what Oh, you were going for deep cuts. Okay. yeah and yeah ended up being It ended up being deep cuts. um But I think even I, because initially when it's spun on the wheel, Mike said, so new nightmare scream. was like, I'm going to make it an effort not to use any of them.
00:13:28
Speaker
And so I actually have your list here in front of me, Brian, if I may share it with our listeners. Oh, shit, please do. Okay. or I mean, it it's I was going to say, is this coming out before?
00:13:39
Speaker
It sort of depends on if it comes out before or after that episode, though. I think that would be a... I'm going to save it for after we're done recording so I can, so just Tucker here is, and the the listeners of that episode can be surprised because I don't want to ruin it for the Pod the Pendulum listenership.
00:13:55
Speaker
But it's a good list. This episode is going to drop on the 23rd of October, which is a day before my birthday.
Texarkana Murders: From Reality to Reel
00:14:02
Speaker
It is. I don't know when the Pod and Pendulum marathon episode is to don't know for sure either.
00:14:09
Speaker
um So I do, I can give two of my discards. two things i planned to do because i originally i was going to an all-nighter so six movies cut it down to four ended in a good spot but at the 2 a.m m spot i was going to put uh lombardo uh bava's demons okay honorable mention that's a perfect honorable mention to get people you know because people are going to be crazy at two in the morning and then end it with the crowd pleaser and this would have been the best known of all of them I was going to end it with Cabin in the Woods and send people off into the morning light you know
00:14:49
Speaker
It is the unforgiven of meta horror movies. yeah It truly is. yeah It is. And so, anyway, you heard the discards here, folks. There it is. That's something that we didn't get on that episode either. That's an exclusive.
00:15:04
Speaker
Yeah, it is. That's an exclusive right there. That's right. Yeah. but So anyway, I feel like I have spent way too much time ah talking a little bit about the town that dreaded Sundown.
00:15:19
Speaker
And yet I'm still absolutely captivated, Brian. and So there you go. um Tucker, what about you? i know. ah i mean, I just saw both of these both town that dreaded Sundowns for the first time.
00:15:30
Speaker
me just check my watch here today. So I have no history with these other than that. I had heard them referenced before, ah but Tucker, what's, ah what's, what are your, what's your deep cut history with the town that dreaded sundown?
00:15:43
Speaker
I'm so glad that you had time to watch the original Steven. Me too. I really, really am. Now, I came across this movie um similar to Brian because it had to do with Scream.
00:15:57
Speaker
And it wasn't that I was looking for movies they referenced in Scream. It's just that I saw this VHS and I was like, oh, hey, I think they talk about that in Scream. And that's why I grabbed it.
00:16:08
Speaker
So kind of the same but opposite. There you So I got it on VHS. I was probably 17 or 18. It was the Good Times version of it. And I watched it and I'd never seen anything like it because for me, especially at that age, it was like the acting wasn't bad, but it wasn't good.
00:16:30
Speaker
So it kind of gave it that kind of documentary feel because it was almost hyper-realistic because of the inexperience, I guess. Mm-hmm. Yeah. um And I always really, really loved that movie. um And then when I heard that the new one was coming out, I was very excited about it.
00:16:50
Speaker
And I did see it as soon as I was able to. I think I probably got it. I probably watched it on streaming. I think it hit prime pretty soon after it came out because it was kind of direct to video.
00:17:02
Speaker
it so yeah Direct. It was pretty much VOD. It got a very limited theatrical run and then was pretty much right off to VOD. And I didn't. I didn't hate it. I think I was just kind of um looking through rose colored glasses because the town that dreaded sundown was something that I've enjoyed since I was a teenager, but I don't really come across many people who have seen it.
00:17:27
Speaker
Right. So for something like this to come out, it's like, oh, that's that's for me and like a couple other people. It didn't feel like something that everyone was watching. ah So I did appreciate that aspect of it.
00:17:40
Speaker
But i I watched it on Monday, and since then I forgot everything that happened in it, so much so that I had to watch it again right before this podcast.
00:17:56
Speaker
You did. It's not like, and this was kind of my initial take on it, was like, it's not bad, but like it just it's just not that good. So I forgot about it then, and then I forgot about it a week ago.
00:18:11
Speaker
And I'm trying so desperately to grasp, just like hold on to the memories I have of it for a couple years, a couple years, a couple hours ago when I started
00:18:23
Speaker
um I should mention before I get too deep, because I haven't done this yet, and I usually do this right after I mention the name of the film. ah This film is ah written by Roberto Aguirre-Sacasa, directed by Alfonso Gomez-Rajon, and starring Addison Timlin, Travis Tope, Veronica Cartwright, Gary Cole, Joshua Leonard, Edward Herman, the great Edward Herman, and Anthony Anderson, the great Ed Lauder, Arabella Field, Dennis O'Hare, Spencer Treat Clark.
00:18:53
Speaker
ah What a cast. And yeah, I'll say it. What a picture. And you missed saying the great Gary Cole. Yeah.
00:19:05
Speaker
i did That's Mike Brady for a generation, Stephen. Well, for he's, you know, obviously. Lumberg heard. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:19:16
Speaker
Yeah. We, as, as we record this the day after national bosses day. Oh, I kind of feel like things I don't know or pay attention to. Well, it's cause you're outside of corporate America, Brian.
00:19:28
Speaker
Oh, I have a boss, though. I've got like a billion bosses, technically. I was going to say, you've got too many bosses, and that's the problem. That's it.
00:19:39
Speaker
yeah You're still in education, so I know how many bosses you've got, and it's too many. Yeah. Less than when I was working in the church, it feels like, though. Oh, my God. Yes. 100%.
00:19:51
Speaker
Anyway, yeah that's a different story because we will be talking about ah religion in this episode, I'm afraid. Yep, it's gonna happen.
00:20:02
Speaker
i mean, Edward Harman plays the pastor. It's going happen. I do love that Dennis O'Hare, who is an actor I legitimately enjoy, plays ah Charles Pierce Jr. And then Charles Pierce Jr. is in this movie as Man in Diner.
00:20:18
Speaker
which I also love. So he's got a little cameo in this as it to that. Yeah. I don't know that he's got lines or anything, but he's just like, you know, a guy sitting in the diner.
Character Development: Hits and Misses
00:20:28
Speaker
I think that was probably my favorite sequence in this movie was kind of at the end of the second act when they go to visit him.
00:20:39
Speaker
Yeah. And they, they're throwing you all kinds of curve balls. Oh yeah. And it's really exciting because it really feels like they're, figuring shit out you know and then the third act starts and it sucks again i mean there's just like there's that um it's like if i could just bottle that 10 minutes of that of this movie and somehow make the rest of the movie like that oh sure it'd be so good Well, I like the, there are things that I like throughout the film.
00:21:13
Speaker
Most of them do not involve the main protagonists though. Correct. Oh, for sure. Yes. You know, it's mostly all the character actors and sides, things that are going on.
00:21:26
Speaker
I think, you know, pop shit I love Anthony Anderson's great. I, I think he's a lot of fun. I love Gary Cole. Of course. course However, I mean, there are things, I mean,
00:21:36
Speaker
it's too early to talk about the reveal, but I mean, when that happened, I was like, who? Yeah. Yeah. that's what film i feel like That's why they explain it to you. Yeah. and They do very well because like when they were done, I was like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. yeah It's so even on the second. Yes. Even on my second. i like so Yeah. Yeah. will say the ending is for me, the weakest part of this film. And we will get, it is, it is. Oh, it's so bad. We'll get to that.
00:22:08
Speaker
Oh, you good. I do think speaking of ah the cast and some of the the really talented people in this cast, I do think, though, ah like Anthony Anderson, Veronica Cartwright, Edward Herman, Gary Cole, all those people, they're doing great, but they still don't really have a lot.
00:22:27
Speaker
to work with, I don't think. It's kind of unfortunate. this The script is not as solid as you would want it to be, which is a shame because honestly, the The meta angle of it is so well executed, but it's just the bare bones basic story beats that are so like plotting.
00:22:50
Speaker
And it's it's such a – because again, to to be able to craft the meta narrative so well, but to fail on just a basic character level is – I will just say disappointing. Yeah.
00:23:03
Speaker
And I think it's kind of the opposite vibe from the original too, because something I really, really dug about the original is that the violence is horrible.
00:23:14
Speaker
It's quick. And the rest of the movie is just like the things that are happening around it. Some of it's silly. Some of it's just like normal, regular shit.
00:23:26
Speaker
I really like that. The first one is, it's just kind of aimless. outside of the fact that there is a killer around. And when there is a kill and breaks that up, I don't know, there's something special about the original. And I think this one kind of does the opposite of that to where it focuses more on the killing and the killer and the victims, as opposed to developing these characters into people we at least understand and empathize with, you know?
00:24:02
Speaker
I do wish, especially the scenes with the... um With all of these great character actors were fleshed out a bit more. um I mean... There are some... um I mean, Gary Cole has a as a nice moment. um One or two. During his death scene is pretty hilarious. I was going to say, he's having a very nice moment right up until that bullet goes through his eye, really. His eye, yeah. I mean, one more argue, he might be having the best moment of anyone in this movie.
00:24:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, and then there's like, you know, this the the second kill um is... just kind of its own little vignette. It's almost like yeah it's just this little um short film ah early on in the movie.
00:24:47
Speaker
And I think that's really well executed, so to speak. And um it's, I don't know. I just, there ah yeah. And I, um I don't know. I had a good time with a lot of things. I, and when it came to things like, okay, dig more into like the church and yes stuff. It's like, you know, give us a little bit more with that.
00:25:13
Speaker
And, you know, me and I don't, I don't need as much of, you know, the, hot young protagonists. I mean, in they're kind of they kind of they're a little bit old. That is what these remakes kind of did, though, is they focused on kind of the young, hot protagonists when yeah and and kind of eschewed a lot of the things that made the originals as potent as they were.
00:25:35
Speaker
i mean, there are still elements in this that as a guy who had just seen the original like 10 minutes before was having a great time, like spotting all the the parallels and and things. And again, the meta elements of this are so well done.
00:25:49
Speaker
um You know, the parallels between the the killings in the original film and the killings in this. Yeah. um The copycat nature of it. I liked the subversions and the twists, like the fact that the the trombone player, it was ah it was a a couple of young gay kids. Like, I thought that was right a really nice subversion of kind of the basics that you would expect from the genre.
00:26:10
Speaker
Like, there was some really fun stuff going on in this movie. Yeah. I think it's it's the potential of this film that is disappointing, ryan really, because there's a lot of really cool shit going on. like Even very subtle stuff. like You were talking about Gary Cole, but right before he gets shot.
00:26:29
Speaker
um I really love that you kind of think that it might be him. Right. And so when he reaches for his beer, his gun is there.
00:26:40
Speaker
Right. Right. Yeah. And so you think he's going for the gun, like, oh, it is him. Holy shit. Yeah. But then he just goes for his beer. There's so many little things. Yeah. yeah So many little things in this film that are so rad, but there, it just, it doesn't work as a whole. Like the connections between all those rad things are not great. Yeah.
00:27:03
Speaker
yeah It's it. And that's, I think that's what makes me not like the film so much is because it frustrates me so much because there is so much cool shit in it, but it doesn't, it doesn't amount to anything.
00:27:16
Speaker
Right. Okay. I don't know. It's frustrating. It's just so frustrating. I want to like this movie so bad. i really do. and I think well while the film may not equal the sum of its parts, I feel like the sum of its parts stand on their own well enough to kind of prop up the rest of it, in my mind.
Religious Themes in Horror: An Untapped Potential?
00:27:36
Speaker
Like I really did. Like, I love that we have Edward Herman. I hate that he is kind of wasted in this. Like they don't give him nearly um as much to do in another version of this. We would be focusing a lot more on the religious angle, the kind of the religious pushback against yeah his, his whole spiel at the beginning, you know, people died.
00:27:55
Speaker
um You know, this is that this is a godless film that we were watching. And the kind of the some of the different impacts that this legacy has had on the town through the eyes of people like Reverend Joe Cartwright, I think would have been really valuable and really something that could have given this film a little extra punch.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah. And it's funny because there's a lot of like little religious clues tapped into this movie. I wrote down a bunch of them. Oh, please. You know, obviously that you have the the woman in the field who is crucified. Right. um Then the trombone kill.
00:28:35
Speaker
He's knocked out in front of a sign that it's like different letters put together and it says atone. you Oh, and there's one that says legacy behind him in the last spot, stop which the last shot, which I thought was a little much, but I did appreciate it the first time.
00:28:51
Speaker
Sure. Sure. um And then, you know, like part of the manifesto of the phantom killer that she finds says, I am the soul of Texarkana. I am the reckoning foretold, like there's a prophecy coming. Yeah.
00:29:08
Speaker
And the idea of Mary McCready saying on her deathbed, apparently, I'm going to make Texarkana pay for its sins. and ah Those kinds of things I thought were, um it's like, there's this undercurrent of this, you know, idea of you know, you have these pearl clutching evangelicals on one end, and then you've got the killer who thinks he's the avenging angel, you know, almost on a like frailty level of things. so
00:29:40
Speaker
And it's, it's just not explored as much as I personally would like, you know, no because i and i buy would I'm really into that kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.
00:29:53
Speaker
Yeah. So, but I did latch onto those things while watching the movie and was like, Ooh, Nice. Stuff like that. but Yeah. and And again, so when, yeah I mean, it it ended it all feels like just in service of setting up Edward Herman's Joe Cartwright as a red herring.
00:30:09
Speaker
Yeah. which is Which is too bad. um Because, again, and again, I keep on trying to reiterate that I do actually enjoy this movie overall.
00:30:23
Speaker
Same. Kind of warts and all. And... and I think the philosophy of paper is cheaper than film is a good one. You know, really get your script right.
00:30:36
Speaker
Yes. Before you put in front of the camera. So it almost feels like rushed, like it could have used another draft yeah to really make those things pop. But I wasn't, I'm not Jason Blum. I wasn't hiring the screenwriter.
00:30:52
Speaker
Or Ryan Murphy for that matter. Right. Oh, that's right. yeah That was a trip. I was going to say, and this has got, I mean, Dennis O'Hare is a, is a Ryan Murphy guy. He's in several seasons of American horror story. That's right. Yeah. um He's also one of my favorite roles in ah the Broadway revival of assassins. It has nothing to do with Ryan Murphy. It's just a reason why I love Dennis O'Hare. What does he play in that? I love assassins.
00:31:17
Speaker
Charles Guiteau. Fantastic. I am going to the Lordy. Yeah. Yeah. A friend of mine played John Wilkes Booth in that. Hey, wait, that's the guy who shot Andrew Garfield, isn't it?
00:31:29
Speaker
Charlie. Yeah. Good. So or was it was McKinley.
True Crime's Influence on Storytelling
00:31:33
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, no, it was Garfield. You're right. Garfield. Cause there's that song about it. Oh gosh. Was so gosh is McKinley. That's right. Yeah.
00:31:41
Speaker
And then I, yeah I would, I would love to play Samuel Beck in that show. Like the, the, the, the Santa Claus dress Nixon, ah one would be assassin. That's, that's who I would want to play in that show.
00:31:53
Speaker
um I'd have, I'd have, so I'd just make a meal out of those monologues. Really? Yeah.
00:31:59
Speaker
But yeah, that's a great, Assassin's is a great show. Not why we're here, but great show. We'll just take a sideboard and talk about how great it is. It's great. i think the first thing I remember Dennis O'Hare from was True Blood, as I recall. Probably same. Yeah, yeah probably same. And then I, but I, he really stands out in um American Horror Story, those first couple seasons.
00:32:19
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. like But yeah, he's a great actor. And I, when he popped up in this, I just was very excited to see him. And one of the things I like about it is they did pepper him in to the crowd scenes and stuff earlier in the film, even before way before it's big scene. So it's not like, you know, Mrs. Voorhees suddenly appearing.
00:32:39
Speaker
And it's like, oh, that's the killer. um You know, that sort of thing. yeah So, so that he does have the sense that he could be a red herring in this too. um And, Yeah, they plant a lot of red herrings, but... I feel like all the red herrings are more interesting than the reveal we event inevitably get. Exactly. Exactly. That's the big problem. Any those red herrings would have made a much better, much more satisfying conclusion than what we finally got.
00:33:06
Speaker
The journey is much more interesting than the destination on this one. And I know. And that's I think that I put that in my letterbox review. Like this is a journey over destination kind of movie because the journey it's not until we get to the destination that I stop having fun.
00:33:22
Speaker
Because up until then up until the end, I'm having a great time with this movie. Like, I'm digging the meta angles. I'm having a lot of fun. Like, the there there are elements wherein this is ah just ah ah an absolute remake. There are elements where this is a an absolute meta sequel, where it's not a direct sequel to the movie itself, but it's a sequel to...
00:33:43
Speaker
the town that the movie was based on it's it's just it's got these kind of bizarre elements to it um and then you get to the end and you're just kind of like oh like i'm vibing with all of it until we get yeah right up to that end point and i'm like okay sure such such a great idea such a great idea um i that Another thing that I think is really funny is the town hall at the beginning.
00:34:08
Speaker
You know, yes those of us on the Texas side will never show this movie again. Oh, on the Arkansas side. And it and then they then the old guy that gets up is like, why don't you tear down that GD statue of Jim Bowie? He's got that GD knife.
00:34:23
Speaker
And he's holding that knife? Yeah. Oh, my God. I like the GD guy. That guy I like. And Brian is not editorializing to keep from blaspheming. The guy actually says GD. Because, again, this takes place in Texas.
00:34:35
Speaker
That's what's funny about it. That's right. That's the joke. And that i think is why the religious the lack of the religious angle is so pointed is we're in fucking Texas two years before Donald Trump was elected president for the first time. Like this is ah this is a part of the country that is kind of metastasized in its religious fervor at this point.
00:34:54
Speaker
And for that not to come up at all feels like a completely missed opportunity, like a complete waste. Sorry for bringing the podcast down, guys. My bad. Well, I think there's there's something. I think the most poignant thing that Edward Herman gets to do is that scene where they're like going to come and arrest him.
00:35:12
Speaker
And he says, and he says, you know, he essentially says, I'm, it's kind of good for us that the phantom's killing people because people are coming to church again and people are. And, and, and again, it's like, I'm, Do more with that. Do more with that. I was going to say, I need at least 10 more minutes extrapolating on just that idea.
00:35:34
Speaker
Give me show me the people coming in droves. Don't tell me fucking show me, show me that he's feeling like value and worth for the first time in years. And I think that, And I think that's one of the problems that hamstrings this movie is I'd probably budget, you know, because right you can show that with a little bit bigger budget. You can hire more extras. You can, you know, things like that.
00:35:55
Speaker
um You know, unless they use the same people over and over again and you just don't notice. um but Which may happen. Who knows? which Yeah. You could do um you can pull it off. Yeah. ah So I think that's part of the the issue.
00:36:09
Speaker
and you also got to pay Ed Herman for a few more days to get those shots too. And at this point, and I mean, it's one of his final films, but he's a fucking legend. He's Edward Herman. Like, come on. Absolutely.
00:36:20
Speaker
The Lost Boys. Yes. i'm not coming in until you invite me. god He's so good. He's great. Yeah. I need to rewatch The Lost Boys. I really do.
00:36:32
Speaker
You do. What I do think is interesting that, you know, I have a rather... contentious relationship with true crime. ah And I think the interesting idea behind all this, even more, mean, it's just the effect that this happened in the first place in this town, this horrible crime, and then that it was fictionalized and put out into the world.
00:37:01
Speaker
And so this little tiny town is made famous because of this horrible crime that happened in its past, and that is then constantly reminded of this and people it's a cult film. So it's not like, you know, a massive blockbuster kind of thing, but still, I mean, you cult people, cult movie people um are interesting people.
00:37:27
Speaker
They're a special breed for sure. They are a special breed. Indeed. We are, I should say we are a special breed in there. um And so, you know, you, you have this, this idea of, you know, people just coming,
00:37:41
Speaker
to this town to see where the killing happened. Right. You know, it's like, Oh, this must be where so-and-so got, uh, you know, sliced up by the trombone, even though that didn't happen, but you know, things like that. And I think that's, um, I can imagine.
00:37:59
Speaker
and So like I said, I I'm trying to not, I'm, I'm got to coalesce this thought a little bit here. Um, So the contentious relationship with true crime is um this idea of, I don't want to exploit the victims, you know, the people that are hurting, the effect this had on this town.
00:38:29
Speaker
But at the same time, it's very fascinating stuff. yeah you know And I think that is, ah because because like that's even something that, speaking of Ryan Murphy, I just, after I but i finished watching the Ed Gein series on Netflix. I couldn't finish and Yeah, um but there's there's poor man there's one scene I particularly did like in it. in it yeah as As messy as that is, i think they're, I mean, Paul Schrader, God bless him, thought it was brilliant, but you know, hey.
00:38:59
Speaker
mean, look. Paul Schrader has got interesting taste. Let's put it that way. Even a stop clock is right twice a day, Brian.
00:39:10
Speaker
This just wasn't one of those times. there's Right. But um he ah there's a part where it's like Anthony Perkins is imagining that he's witnessing Ed Gein upholstering one of his chairs.
00:39:26
Speaker
Right. and And Anthony Perkins... you know, is in his mind saying to Ed Gein, you can't do this. You can't show this stuff.
00:39:37
Speaker
This is bad for society. And Gein says to him, well, you're the one that can't look away. Yeah. And that's, I think, how I feel about true crime in a lot of ways.
00:39:49
Speaker
We get like the... Because, I mean, the the level of accuracy that is in that series is nil. Right. There is so little. There is little that true to life. The only thing they really tried to get right is the Ed Gein voice.
00:40:03
Speaker
It feels like the only thing they tried to get right in entire series. Yeah, ah pretty much. Pretty much. So, but I think... for better or worse, people are going to think, oh, that's the real story.
00:40:15
Speaker
And, you know, Alfred Hitchcock set had the people set up this replica of Ed Gein's house to tour, which is bullshit. I mean, all kinds of things that, you know, and then there's there's all that kind of stuff going on.
00:40:31
Speaker
But at the same time, you know, and I kind of live in, um, in true crime town, uh, in the Pacific Northwest here. Cause I mean, but and rule is sort of like the mother of modern true crime. And she's, she was local.
00:40:50
Speaker
We had, you know, Ted Bundy, Gary Ridgeway, uh, you name it. There were lots people up here. And so, um, What are you trying to tell I actually worked at a church with the guy that, that with Dave Reichert, who was the main investigator on the Green River Killer case. Oh, holy shit.
00:41:08
Speaker
Yeah. So, I mean, it's sort of like part of, I remember the eighties very well being like, this is really scary. Cause who is this guy or person there? They just, there was no idea.
00:41:20
Speaker
And who was he going to get, you know? And so, um, there's sort of this weird, but I, and my, my wife's aunt went to school with Ted Bundy, went to high school with Ted Bundy.
00:41:34
Speaker
I mean, this is, yeah. Okay. So this is just like, ah it's, so I kind of, I mean, this is a bigger town. the big This greater area is larger than Texarkana.
00:41:50
Speaker
Right. But, you know, you can see the effect that these things can have on ah on a place. And you just kind of can never really escape the nightmare. Right.
00:42:02
Speaker
of it. And I think that is, but at the same time, it's like, you know, we, we still are watching the movies and we're still, you know, you, Yeah. you know Ryan Murphy has made a cottage industry off this stuff. Let's face hundred percent. He has, you know, I mean, that's kind of what Jordan Peele is to, to re-invoke Jordan Peele. That's kind of what he's exploring ah with Nope.
00:42:25
Speaker
Nope. lot of ways. Yeah. Is that kind of like, to what extent do we look into the horror? To what extent should we look into the horror? ah My partner actually just finished writing a novel on this topic that is out right now. Yeah.
00:42:39
Speaker
Um, where it's, it's, it's about like a group ah of people filming a reality TV trying to retrace the steps of the Donner party. Oh, there you go. And it's that yeah kind of same, like, yeah again, that's one of those great American tragedies that fucking everybody writes about and everyone knows about, but like, you know, to what extent should we just let those souls rest? Right. Like let the horror that they endured alone. Right. And I,
00:43:07
Speaker
I wish this movie interrogated that a little more because I think that's such a rich well to mind that not enough people have mind. Yeah. I think that, um, I, Interestingly enough, I feel like Wes Craven actually in this his four Scream movies did quite a lot with that.
00:43:26
Speaker
Absolutely. And it was just kind of just getting really going at that time. um when By the time Scream 4 came out in 2011. Which is so precious.
00:43:40
Speaker
There's been true crime forever, but I mean... i mean this is Cold Blood comes out in 78 and even that wasn't new. Right. Right. But, but the, this sort of modern version of it that we're experiencing now where you have, you know, your internet sleuths and you have your people that are insisting that they know the answer. They don't.
00:44:01
Speaker
They got it. They got it nailed. No one else has been able to figure it out, but we got it figured out. I think that's, that's kind of the, the world we're living in now. And, um, oh man, I, I feel like, I feel like the, um, the two, the David Gordon green Halloween trilogy tried to discuss the effects that a tragedy has on a small town and not just sort of, sort of, um,
00:44:29
Speaker
sort of ultimately shit the bed on it. I mean, as and I actually kind of like those movies too. Not as much. don't know. I'm somewhere in the middle. I liked them right up to the end of the second one, honestly. And that I kind of tapped out at that point because I, that was just,
Thematic Exploration: Successes and Failures
00:44:44
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that was hard.
00:44:44
Speaker
That was hard for me. Yeah. I think it's trying to interrogate it, but it, but it doesn't, fully get there either. And that's part of the frustration with, I think, that we're all sort of talking about, what ah varying levels of enjoyment of the film, is that it gets so close.
00:45:04
Speaker
You know, it has these great ideas, but it just doesn't quite dig into them enough. Exactly. Yeah, I completely agree. That is definitely...
00:45:16
Speaker
Yeah, that that's that's I think the biggest fault of this movie is that it sets up all these really interesting premises and doesn't do its due diligence and actually exploring them. It's just like mentioning them is enough. Making you think about them for a few seconds is enough. And that's just not that's just not what we need out of a movie like this. Yeah.
00:45:36
Speaker
yeah Well, and it feels half-baked, you know? i Sure. I think if they'd spend a little more time on the script, this would have been fantastic, because like you said, there is so much good stuff there, but hu it's it's it's, again, frustrating.
00:45:52
Speaker
I will say it's frustrating. One of the things that stood out to me watching it especially the first time this week, because I watched it earlier in the week, um on Tubi and I thought okay um this has some really weird directorial choices I mean seriously there are like enough Dutch angles in this movie to make Carol Reed blush right um little third man reference for you there love that thank you I it
00:46:34
Speaker
You and like two other people are going to get that reference. Hey, those are my people. right. Sounds good. ah um But ah there is a lot of that, which is sort of strange for a movie, especially one like like Tucker, you were talking about when the original was so documentary-like.
00:46:53
Speaker
He's very grounded. Yeah. and And this one just takes that complete opposite direction. It's not... i wouldn't i did I chose the word stylized.
00:47:04
Speaker
I think, rather than stylish. You know, stylized is, it's sort of affected. It's like an affectation. It's not it's not like it's, um you know, stylish, I think, you know, Martin Scorsese or something like that.
00:47:17
Speaker
This is like stylized. It's like, hey, we're going to make this look crooked and that'll be cool. And then... And it's almost like he has one trick and he's going to use it because it's the one trick he knows. It's like when you're a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
00:47:33
Speaker
When, when all you know, when the only angle, you know, is a Dutch angle, you put everything at a fucking Dutch angle. And some of the compositions are very odd. Like I, I, there's this shot of this like shot of Anthony Anderson sitting at the table, you know, when he's first come to town and there's like a whole line of,
00:47:51
Speaker
of officers behind him and they're like framing his head and it looks it looks very you know like affected like like an affectation you know it's like this is it doesn't feel natural it feels like okay you stand exactly there hit your mark um And so it's kind of weird for this movie.
00:48:13
Speaker
you Yeah, because this is not a ah Wes Anderson film. like No. Like, I'm not expecting every you know frame to look like a composite or like ah like a portrait of something like I am when I'm seeing a Wes Anderson movie.
00:48:24
Speaker
I'm watching a fucking remake of The Town That Dreaded Suntown. Right. and And this movie can't decide what it wants to be. No. At all. And that's that's a little frustrating too. like Even like visually, ah you were talking about the cinematography, but also it's...
00:48:44
Speaker
it's it can't figure out what time it wants to be in. Everybody dresses like it's the seventies and all the cars from the seventies. But then when need something modern, it's there.
00:48:56
Speaker
Otherwise we're in the fucking seventies. so driving the scene I was like, how is this 2013? Because Spencer trip Clark is dressed like a guy from the seventies. Like what the fuck are we doing? Right.
00:49:07
Speaker
Well, when hair and shit, like When she goes and meets the boyfriend at the the you know the soldier coming home, I actually thought that was like a flashback the first time I watched it.
00:49:18
Speaker
Because of how she was dressed and the sort of old-fashioned... And that's not a modern military uniform that he's wearing. Exactly. Exactly. like this old 1960s returning from Vietnam style dress greens or whatever. I don't even know what the official...
00:49:35
Speaker
terminology would be so apologies don't worry they're both out of those costumes very quickly they are they are they're like like porn star moves that's that's one of the moments where i remembered that ryan murphy was part of this yes that's right yeah yes i was like oh yeah this is really explicit and like ah needlessly so yeah so what that what i watched i'm just saying Bro, I know what you're saying. But when I watched it this time, i i i rewound it just to look and see what the timestamp was. it's like no
00:50:09
Speaker
For the timestamp. Yeah. ah So anyway. That said, i think when she jumps out the window and breaks her leg, i cringe because that's, you know, that's a tough dance.
00:50:24
Speaker
yeah um I was going to say that's I would say probably the most brutal. Yeah. This movie gets. I mean, and this is this is a brutal movie compared to the original. And the first one is brutal as well.
00:50:36
Speaker
ah particularly by late, even by late 70s standards, that's pretty brutal. But like this movie is brutal. And I mean, but of course, then again, and our friend, our mutual shared friend, Ari would probably be very quick to comment on.
00:50:50
Speaker
I mean, this is coming out of the millennial nasties era of these remakes, starting with the Texas Chainsaw Massacre, like that brutality. Well, even the Dark Castle stuff, yeah. Right. It was all kind baked into that shit, right? So...
00:51:04
Speaker
Yeah. like that that level of brutality at this point is almost expected like i i thought when i saw the the very gratuitous porn star sexy and in this movie i was reminded honestly of the two thousand and nine rema of my bloody valentine where you get like that woman just like running through a hotel parking lot just completely naked for like most like for like ten straight minutes It's funny because these things seem to go in cycles because we're now in a very chaste period of film. It's sort of coming out of that a little bit.
00:51:39
Speaker
Sorry. ah No pun intended there. um but um We're pulling out of it I think. There you go. Coming out on which area specifically, Ryan? Anyway.
00:51:53
Speaker
So anyway, ah the but it feels like the You know, the 2020s were just so yeah People just like Oh my gosh, ah like people freaking out About sex scenes in movies And like Oppenheimer It's like that was so unnecessary That is like psychologically Extremely important to that sequence You know, in my opinion and Right, no, you're right Yeah, and so I was like What are you, it's like I felt so, people saying that I felt so violated
00:52:27
Speaker
It's an all-ended movie. It says it says on there what is in it. It's not a fucking Rush Meier film, people. That's right. No one's being exploited here. Like, oh, God. My gosh. And then, you know, um I remember going to see Infinity Pool after there had been some big to-do about i still to see that about sex scenes movies. and And I said...
00:52:52
Speaker
I wrote, I fully realize what I'm getting into and I give my consent when I bought the ticket for whatever i I'm going to see. You know, I mean, it's just like at least some due diligence. people come on It's ah to me, it's just silly. And so anyway, I mean, stop clutching those pearls, folks.
00:53:13
Speaker
Sex is awesome. anyway you heard it here first there's a there's a point brian there you go so i just want to say there you go i do but you know they what that earlier era you know the nasties era and stuff like that i love that term so
Cult Status and Slasher Influences
00:53:33
Speaker
i've been taking to using it quite a lot it's it's the perfect term it already is a genius Ari we love you please come back ASAP I know you're I know you're busy I know you're working on shit but we miss you come back yeah absolutely and so um but that that was not prudish you know that period there was plenty of nudity and sex and yay yay yay and you had Jessica Biel in that
00:53:55
Speaker
the My favorite thing about the Texas Chainsaw remake yeah is ah Jessica Biel's costume. I'm sorry. I don't like that movie. You're a red-blooded American male, Brian. There's nothing wrong with them.
00:54:07
Speaker
Yeah. Okay. I keep on stepping on what Tucker's about to say. So Tucker, don't let me interrupt you. Oh, i I don't even remember what I was going to say, but.
00:54:19
Speaker
We were talking about sex. And I think you were say that you also think sex is awesome. Oh, yeah. No, it's totally awesome. But ah when it comes to sex scenes in films, like I say, i I'm no prude. But if it's something that doesn't serve the story or even really fits the tone of what we've had so far, it's just boring. And sure like I'm not invested in it.
00:54:47
Speaker
I don't know. yeah in that particular case, I think it adds sort of an over-the-top campy element. which almost makes me think, is this, which is very Ryan Murphy. Yes. Which I appreciate, but like, it's just...
00:55:02
Speaker
But I also wonder if it if the movie is almost trying to be something of a self-parody at times, but then pulls back from that too. Which I think is ah is a cowardly, quite frankly. If you're going to be a self-parody, lean fucking into it. And there are times when this movie toes into leaning into it, but doesn't quite fully tilt.
00:55:23
Speaker
And I don't think that it should either, because I think this works much better as a straightforward movie. story, a grounded to an extent story. Right. Like the silliness is just, it's too much. It doesn't, it doesn't fit the tone for me.
00:55:40
Speaker
I mean, the original has its elements of silliness, like the whole spark plug going undercover thing is kind of feels more real though. Like that feels more like something that would have happened, you know, sure but, but I mean, it's still, again, it's it's played it. You, we cannot deny that as real as it feels, it's still kind of played for laughs. And,
00:56:00
Speaker
Again, as someone who has done comedy, comedy is in the truth of the thing. If you play the truth, you play the comedy. But there's nothing in this that feels inherently comedic in that same way without, again, trying to just kind of be a little campy, a little 70s, a little over the top.
00:56:18
Speaker
Right. I think it's why I don't like the Psycho remake. because it it does some of that same kind of stuff. I mean, right it's like, is is it modern set or is it in the seventy s Because judging by the wardrobe, that movie takes place in the 70s. And i mean i just I just trying to figure out what that this movie or that movie... I like this movie a lot better than that movie, I'll say.
00:56:45
Speaker
But I just don't... I don't get It's like, what is it trying to be? Sometimes is confusing to me. um So I understand.
00:56:57
Speaker
Let's just say, Tucker, I understand your frustrations, but I think I just go along for the ride a little bit more. that And I don't I also don't have the same connection to the original that you do.
00:57:09
Speaker
Yeah. You know, i' kind of I will admit I'm a little precious about the original. And I understand this. said There's probably a better movie here than I will give it credit for. But like I like the original was one of one of the foundations in me becoming a fan of just film in general. Like I was ripe for the picking, like 17, 17 years old It was ah oh i gotcha a formative time for me. it's always I've always kind of been precious about it. so
00:57:42
Speaker
yeah Well, this is the original town. The dreaded sundown is sort of like, that's, that's a movie. That's a discovery. You know what I mean? It's even not, yes. Yeah. It's not just like, Oh, this is a movie that everybody talks about. It's nightmare on Elm street. It's Friday 13th. It's Halloween. No, you are finding something that just not as many people know about.
00:58:04
Speaker
And when you find it and you love it, it's like, this is a treasure and I'm going, and I'm going to hold on to this because It's something that's really, really special. And only a few of us really know that to be true. you know And I think that, i so I completely understand where you're coming from.
00:58:22
Speaker
For all of that, though, the tale of influence on it is incredibly long. Like even as immediate as 78 with a character being named Loomis, um you know, to Friday the 13th part two with the baghead Jason aesthetic being a carbon copy of the Phantom in this film.
00:58:39
Speaker
Like the way that it the way that it's so incredibly influences slasher moves. I mean, that initial kill is like something. that probably inspired the Zodiac on some level. Like it's very similar to like a couple of kills in the movie, in the David Fincher film. Like the the tail on that thing is is long.
00:58:59
Speaker
That's something that I don't know if I'm just crazy or maybe other people have noticed it. But one of the reasons I like David Fincher's Zodiac so much is because in some parts it does feel, it does feel a lot like the town that dreaded sundown.
00:59:14
Speaker
Yeah. No, I agree. get it. get it.
00:59:18
Speaker
when i saw zodiac the first time i was like but and i knew something about the zodiac killer ah as well but i mean there's so much in this is like the the the mask and the lover's lane stuff, all that. the gun, the gun being a weapon even is just, it's not the same as other slashers.
00:59:41
Speaker
Cause I mean, slashers um and we think of, you know, serial killers as being knife people, I guess. um But you know, not always right there were some them are gun people for sure yeah son of sam is a probably the most famous one along with the zodiac but it's like it's oh and eileen warnos she was a gun person yeah she sure was anyway speaking of true crime it so
01:00:12
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but like i'm i'm trying to think of when the zodiac killer was kind of doing his thing it would have yeah okay so it would have been i mean was's this is the beginning of it i believe yeah probably before but so before this movie but like after these crimes had taken place so oh yeah it happened in the forty s so yeah Right, yeah, the movie's set in the 40s The original's got, you know, the great Mary Anne from Gilligan's Island, Don Wells Oh, that's right Who's like high build, but barely in the thing She's in it for all, like, 10 minutes tops But like very high build on the thing, agree, I agree She's wonderful, love love Don Wells not Not a bad word to say Girl, me too I really do need to revisit the original, i mean
01:00:58
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Since I have the Blu-ray somewhere, somewhere, once you find it, definitely check it out. And it's, and ah by the way, I watched this on Hoopla. Speaking of libraries. Hey, like so, and they had the original on there as well. So, you know, if all else fails,
01:01:16
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I can at least watch it on Hoopla. it's on It's on Amazon, which we have. And i my partner's never seen it. So i I kind of want to rewatch yeah the original. Yeah, the original's on Hoopla. I kind of want to rewatch it with her just to kind of like, just be like what do you think of this? Like, this is fun. And I love, I unabashedly love the 70s. It's my favorite decade of film.
01:01:37
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yeah And so this just fits so perfectly into everything I love about 70s cinema, like the original done. yeah well The original has such a an an early indie film vibe, too. It does, yeah. yeah like ah there's just There's nothing like it.
01:01:52
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i Boy, I really like that first movie. It looks like it was shot on 16. Yes! yes bring me you the narration. oh Just feed me that narration in IV all day, every day. i mean Obviously, it has big, you know, big influence from Texas Chainsaw.
01:02:09
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But yeah what didn't in a horror in nineteen you know in the mid-70s? It was a seismic shift in, yeah like, between between that and Craven's Last House on the Left, like, you've got these two relatively huge seismic shifts in what horror would become for the rest of the decade. And it's really, it and the the original Town the Dreaded Sundown kind of embodies all of that.
01:02:35
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Yeah, for sure. I will say the director of this film or the original film, I should say, Charles B. Pierce, a resident of one of the great little suburbs of Chicago, Illinois, Hammond, Indiana.
01:02:47
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Oh, word. Yeah, born in Hammond, Indiana in 1938. So there you go. You know, he's also responsible for Boggy Creek. You guys see that episode of Mystery Science Theater?
01:02:57
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i have. i did i mean he's He directed Boggy Creek 2, colon, and The Legend Continues. Well, and the original, yeah. Right.
01:03:07
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And co-wrote um the Clint Eastwood film Sudden Impact, the Dirty Harry film. so That's the third. Fourth. um that's the yeah that's fourth so fourth dirty lethal enforcers and the deadpool's the last one yes that's the one we're with jim carrey in it yeah hey we were just talking about that at the store steven yes we saw tucker and i saw that at a at a vintage store on vhs and tucker was like that's the one where jim carrey plays a glam metal singer and gets nerfed oh he's hilarious for like 20 seconds
01:03:42
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twenty seconds Dirty Harry brings us all the way back to Zodiac. So there you go. hey That's true. Yeah. that Mm-hmm. Look at that. It's all connected. It is.
01:03:53
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I love it. I love this for us. I love that we've gotten here. um should is it Is it time to talk about the ending and how unsatisfying it is?
Red Herrings and Twists: Satisfying or Not?
01:04:02
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We're an hour in. We might as well get into it.
01:04:04
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Why are they just like... ah It's like they're doing their own thing for the longest time and then they get to the ending and they're like, oh wait, we're meta. We're meta, so let's just do a scream ending.
01:04:18
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yeah fuck it we'll just do a scream at a certain point after her grandma dies it's just like the ending of scream two or scream four maybe four yeah very much i get a lot of scream four but particularly with the spencer because of it all well and also in four like she straight up kills him on purpose right like so it's the same as homeboy shooting the kid in the head like yeah Getting rid of the partner that was in four. So, yeah, just it was too.
01:04:51
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It felt too easy. Yeah. And I hate it. felt lazy, honestly. Yeah. Not not easy, lazy. And frankly, she takes he leans the head, his head down for her to take the hood off.
01:05:05
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Yeah. And she removes it and and says, Parker. I literally had to look up on Letterboxd. Who? I was like, don't know who you're talking about. His name is Foster.
01:05:20
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Foster. That's right. Really just proving your own point, frankly. I did. i really, really did. However, played by Joshua Leonard. Who's great. I love Joshua Leonard. He is. I had to look up other things that he'd done because I did not recognize him this movie at all. I know.
01:05:41
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I know. I know. Well, the thing is I had just watched Depraved for an article I wrote. And so yeah so i he's very prominent in that movie. And then, you know, of course, Blair Witch.
01:05:51
Speaker
But ah right we You know um Little movie Yeah And but the that the then the first time I watched this I i was like The other guy takes his hood off and i'm like well who the hell is that and was like oh i recognized it immediately it wasn't until the second time watching it that i realized oh it's her boyfriend from the it's the boyfriend from the beginning right and it's like um okay it was just sort of i i don't know No, I'm right there with you. It's it's so completely – and and again it feels again, it feels like a scream ending because you're like, hey, you're a character that died earlier. What are you still doing alive?
01:06:33
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Right. It feels like a very scream because that's what we do in the first scream. twist that they did it it at the very beginning of the movie. you know, not, you know, two scenes earlier. Right. I'm, I'm making jerk off motions with my hand right now because that's how I feel about ending.
01:06:50
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I'm explaining for the listener at home. It just totally lets the air out of it. does. It does. And the thing is, I think the build, I disagree with Tucker on this guy. I kind of like the buildup to that, you know, because, you know, she goes, she's in the convenience store and, you know, the bait, those little closeups on the worms are really creepy. Really unfortunate. Yeah. Really unsettling. I agree. Yeah.
01:07:13
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Yeah, exactly. And then, you know, the mom's dead or yeah grandma, I guess. yeah And then, and then mom's been dead since before the beginning of the movie, Brian. That's yes. your Her parents died in a car accident.
01:07:28
Speaker
Sorry. im I'm being flippant. Yes, you are. um But that's okay. I deserve to be flippant too sometimes. Okay. so But I mean, like, but then like the boyfriend, you know, cut up and the train tracks and stuff. does Also disturbing. Yeah.
01:07:45
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Disturbing and a memorial to what happened to, Hank Sr. I have trouble following. Yes, Hank McCready, the original Hank McCready. Yes, Hank McCready won.
01:07:58
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um yeah And the thing is, you know, the in the in the scene where, because basically, you know, ah Dennis O'Hare... explains the whole thing in his scene. Yeah. Yeah. And then that's what it turns out to be. His entire scene is just the exposition dump to get you to the end of the movie so that it makes sense. Yeah. And the thing other thing is because it's like, okay, all right. So, and the thing is, he is...
01:08:22
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and it's like, oh, he was right. That's almost disappointing. You know, it is disappointing that he was right. You know, the issue is that she believes it as soon as he says it. And that's the foregone conclusion that that's what happened until the end of the movie where that's born out to be true.
01:08:36
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Well, the thing is, I don't even remember Foster from earlier in the movie. He's just one of the other cops, right? Yeah. he's he's the He's the cop that like is outside her house all the time. The one that she brings the coffee to. Right. It's apparently like a friend of hers somehow, question mark. should know that.
01:08:52
Speaker
should know that, but I just don't. no I don't know. I don't ah didn't latch onto that at all because you know I'm thinking you know cops. I'm thinking Gary Cole's character mostly. Anthony Anderson. Anthony Anderson is the Texas Ranger. Even Lauder more than Josh Leonard, honestly. Right. Great Ed Lauder.
01:09:12
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yeah And that's why I said it was so easy. This ending was too easy. It is. Because they're the two characters that we've spent the least amount of time with. yeah They're the two characters that we don't even notice, really. yeah And that's just lazy.
01:09:30
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It's lazy, especially when you spend so much time building up these other red herrings. And just to have it to be the two guys we spent the least amount of time with. yeah Cool. It's like a fucking Scooby-Doo on masking, honestly. It does. it it Totally.
01:09:44
Speaker
Oh, man. It's like, and I would have gotten away with it, too, if it hadn't been for you meddling kids. Like, who is this guy? However, I do have to give our protagonist props for using microfiche.
01:09:58
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Yes, for sure. For sure. Now, it now read the research scene is is great. It's classic research scene. It's dust archives. It's everything you want out of a research scene. Do you know how to use the microfiche?
01:10:16
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Yes I do Okay that's all I need in a movie Is a good research scene With dusty books and microfiche And you know um The only thing that could have made it better if Zelda Rubenstein had been the one that gave her the fucking microfiche And see our previous episode on Behind the Mask Microfiche Microfiche Oh, soundboard, Steven. Is that part of it?
01:10:42
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it It needs to be. we We never did release the Zelda Rubenstein, Steven as Zelda Rubenstein soundboard. Well, I don't know if we still have 10 patrons, so I don't know if we're contractually obligated to anymore. No.
01:10:56
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now Jamie, you're gonna die, girl. You're gonna die, girl.
01:11:03
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This town he is clean. Okay, I need some large you know arrow, if you're listening.
01:11:14
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Arrow or, I don't know, Halkino. Hey. no The Criterion Collection. Yes, why not? Put Anguish. from 1987 so all these people that I have been talking it up to can actually fucking see it including fucking me yeah okay so oh boy that was yeah ah low the we way well yeah i can't I can't say more no more no more ryan no more no more
01:11:46
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no more um but anyway we love zelda rubenstein in this podcast and obviously every other podcast should also love zelda rubenstein i don't how dare you reevaluate your life choices because zelda rubenstein is a fucking national treasure now uh guys what's the best way if we wanted to look up old newspaper articles on zelda rubenstein what steven specifically what what would we use Well, Tucker, if I had to just maybe condense it down to one word, i would say microfiche.
01:12:22
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There it is. There it is. Bravo. We've got it. We've got it. Isolated the audio, everybody. It's going on the soundboard. I don't know. Brett, how do you feel about microfiche?
01:12:33
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Fucking stupid. Oh.
01:12:37
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Oh, boy.
01:12:41
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We don't have a very long second board, Brian. What was that in context Do you even remember? I do remember, but I have to put this time code down because I'm going to have to put that in manually because for some reason it doesn't like record the soundboard stuff.
01:12:58
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ah So we're at 112. Unless we edit in the program, which Tucker does not because he's a hipster like that. I'm a bad dude. So what was the question? ah what What was the fucking stupid in reference to?
01:13:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I don't remember, but it was... Please don't tell me it was Casablanca because that episode made me upset. He was not on that episode. Or was he on that episode?
01:13:22
Speaker
I think he was the one who said he didn't he he really didn't like Casablanca, and that just broke my heart. Yeah. We should have had him on that episode, Brian. Go back and I was on that episode. That was my first episode ever as an official host.
01:13:36
Speaker
But did you like Casablanca? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, man. So it was the original question. It wasn't do I like Casablanca? No, it was what was the what was Brett's fucking stupid and reference? Oh, I don't remember. It was good.
01:13:53
Speaker
I don't remember what it was, but I was editing. It was when I had a lot of time to edit and I was like really practicing my skills and making it so it did. It sounded like we weren't talking over each other stuff. I don't have time to do now. Sorry.
01:14:07
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But that was a time where I i could do that.
The Phantom's Mystique: Lost or Found?
01:14:10
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And i was doing that. I was separating you know us talking and like deleting things that didn't need to be there.
01:14:18
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And under his breath, while we're talking about something, Brett just mumbles, fucking stupid.
01:14:29
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And like I heard it barely. And I was like, wait, wait, wait, wait. wait So I stopped it I isolated his audio, went back, and there it was. i was like, ooh. o I got to get that.
01:14:41
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And so it is it's literally the only original sound on our soundboard right now. And that's the fun thing about it is the fact that ah neither Stephen or I heard it when he said it.
01:14:55
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It wasn't until like I took a deep dive into the mix that I noticed it. so Wow. A hidden gem, really. And it's like even even when Brett's not able to be here, still with It's like The Dreaded Sundown from 1976. Oh, yes.
01:15:08
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oh yeah A hidden gem. There it is. Buried under all the other stuff that that happened around it. Yeah. Yeah. No, kind of. Yeah. I mean, i' I'm, care Brett, how do you feel about the ending of the 2014 town that did dreaded Sundown?
01:15:24
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Fucking stupid. I mean, I'm inclined to agree. man i Yeah, I do tend to agree with. Do you want me to give you a little more work, Tucker, since you're writing down time codes? Damn it.
01:15:36
Speaker
No. Okay. Well, I do want to say um completely switching gears here. The thing that really bothered me most about this movie, and it seems really superficial and silly, but it means a lot to me.
01:15:51
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um As soon as the Phantom speaks.
01:15:58
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I'm like, nope, nah. See, that didn't bother me. Not for me. Not for me. Because in the original, that was kind of the allure of the character. They didn't speak. It could be anybody. It was you could hear the breath.
01:16:12
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there was no talking, but in this one, like, I don't know. It didn't feel It, it made it too.
01:16:21
Speaker
It made him too human, you know? And in the original, he's just kind of presented as just this kind of force of evil, almost like Michael Myers, Michael Myers, you know, not as extreme as that, but kind of ah ah pro prototype of that character.
01:16:43
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And I don't know, as soon as he talks in this one, I'm like, ah, I don't know.
01:16:50
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It just kind kills it for me. I like the voice. i like the way that it's used. They abandon it. Like, there's no reason to have it in in the first place. Because after the first, like, half an hour, Phantom does not speak.
01:17:07
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He speaks, like, in two different occasions in the first 20 minutes. Yeah. That's it. it doesn't need to be there. Again, so frustrating. That's why I keep using the term frustrating to describe this movie.
01:17:20
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Mm-hmm. I also, that noise also describes how I feel about this movie. Sometimes ah just a guttural reaction is all you need, really.
01:17:32
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It's all you need. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. The ending is such The groans of the heart. That's... Absolutely.
Spiritual Interpretations in Film
01:17:40
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i don't know where think is. For sure, for sure.
01:17:43
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it it came It came from the the ether, Brian. It came from just the the eternal spirit that resides within us all. Sure. Okay. We'll go with that. ah You know, that thing that interprets the groans of the heart. That thing. um No, it, yeah. I believe that's the Holy Spirit.
01:18:02
Speaker
But, you know, that's it's been a while since I've read that section. You and me both, Brian. You and me both. Oh, man.
01:18:14
Speaker
Any of my getting my old merch friends are listening to this. It's like, what happened to that guy? Same. i got him I think most of mine have tapped out on this show. So I've never been cool. So i don't know what my excuse is, but yeah.
01:18:29
Speaker
Anyway. um But no, that i I, I feel like any, any final thoughts, anyone have anything else? Just a conclusive to say on the 2014 town that dreaded sundown.
01:18:42
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I think that um my my idea with this is its eyes are bigger than its stomach. Or you you could put it as its ideas are bigger than its budget.
01:18:57
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um Yeah. But hey. I'm a Wes Craven fan, so I'm used to that. You are. i was going to say, that is that is your bread and butter,
Wes Craven's Legacy and Humor in Horror
01:19:07
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Brian.
01:19:07
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See our previous episode on Wes Craven's Shocker over for more Brian's thoughts on Wes Craven. That's a classic. i love I like Shocker a lot. I like Shocker, too. The episode was a classic.
01:19:19
Speaker
Oh, the episode was a classic. like Oh, I think so. The movie the movie the movie's... ah i Also, I like it. I agree with most of what you guys had to say about it in that episode. so yeah yeah i think it's a fun movie.
01:19:34
Speaker
yeah and And Brian, you kind of tapped out on the other Wes Craven movie that we that we we pitched to you. Was it cursed? It was cursed. It was cursed. The look on your face. I'm sorry. no I get it. i Oh, man. you It was like, I could do it, but I don't know I'm going to fit it in my schedule, and I don't think I like the movie enough to change my schedule. Yeah.
01:20:02
Speaker
Oh, that's a movie I would like to see. I'd like to have seen a director's cut on personally. Yeah. We, I don't think will ever get that because of Weinstein and Craven. I know. I don't, I don't know if that footage even exists anymore. Probably not. Harvey probably deleted it off of a hard drive before he assaulted somebody. Right. um Yeah.
01:20:24
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There's another Wes Craven movie out there that could have gotten a sequel. There are two in fact. um Deadly Friend Swamp Thing. think it's on the list.
01:20:35
Speaker
Swamp Thing did get a sequel. Swamp Thing got a sequel. Oh, you did. It did. You're right. You're right. You're right. I forgot Jim Wynarski did his sequel. Yes. But Deadly Friend, I think, is on the list. And we will absolutely... There's no one else I'm going to ask to be on that episode. but I'm not going to do that. I feel like I saw that. i said, I feel like I saw that. That sounds really familiar, but I don't remember. Is that the Amish one?
01:20:58
Speaker
No, that's Deadly Blessing. Deadly Blessing is actually kind of good. um Deadly Friend is kind of good. It is sort of a Frankenstein movie.
01:21:09
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You do love Frankenstein movies. I do. ah That's kind of your that's like your monster of choice, if I'm if i'm not mistaken. It is my monster of choice. Oh shit, I have seen this movie, but I don't remember anything about it. best thing The thing that you will remember if you remember anything about it is Anne Ramsey getting hit in the face with basketball and her head exploding.
01:21:31
Speaker
Oh, I'm in. Fuck it. I'm in. Oh, they basically made Craven put in some gore. Okay. Yeah.
01:21:43
Speaker
Yeah. So he put in, wild he he was going to make a family film. ah Anyway, that's another episode. we'll We'll talk about it. when yeah this all comes from This all comes from this interview. I read where I was going through all these interviews with Craven and someone asked him, would you, would, would, would you, Oh, there are reasons, but he said, uh,
01:22:06
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but But he said in this interview, they asked him, do you think there would ever be sequel? Because Freddy was big at that time. Do you think there ever be a sequel to a Deadly Friend? And his response was, sure, why not?
01:22:18
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ah So that's that's where my entire case for it being on this show You know what, Brian? We've we've done episodes with flimsy opremacies for sequels. All right. what We're in. yeah Yeah. So as far as I know, it never really seriously pursued.
01:22:36
Speaker
are we Is The Serpent the Rainbow on our list, Stephen? I know, like, there, I mean, could, is there a good idea for a sequel? No, but, like, if it had made enough money... You can almost make that, I mean, that is the Brett Wright horror film argument, where, like, any movie, any horror film, if it does well enough at the box office, they will force you to make a sequel. I mean, Paranormal Activity is kind of the benchmark of that kind of bullshit. Sinister 2 is my least favorite example of that.
01:23:05
Speaker
Oh, God. Yeah. I've never seen Sinister 2, but the first Sinister is one of the scariest movies I've ever seen. yeah sin Sinister 2 has a scene involving rats that made me just like physically ill.
01:23:19
Speaker
Yeah. Not in a good way like Willard. No, no, no, no. It was... Anyway. Anyway. um we are We are on a tangent here.
Hallucinogens and Mental Health: A New Perspective?
01:23:30
Speaker
and That's what we do, Brian. That is the disenfranchised podcast. good I'm trying to put us on a serpent in the rainbow tangent, but you guys are... I would love to go on a serpent in the rainbow tangent.
01:23:41
Speaker
Do it right now. do like back I would... I wrote... ah I bought books on hallucinogens so I could write about ah the serpent in the rainbow. it was actually quite fascinating.
01:23:53
Speaker
You didn't decide to take hallucinogens yourself? I'm tempted. i Michael Pollan's book, How to Change Your Mind, is really interesting because he talks about mushrooms he he talks about LSD and stuff like that.
01:24:06
Speaker
And the effects it can have for like mental health, for anxiety and depression and things of that nature. And it's actually very fascinating stuff. And so if it was ever could be safely and legally administered, i would be curious to try it.
01:24:23
Speaker
I know there are some there are some mushrooms without the hallucinogenic effects that are legal, but I don't know if they're going to have the same effects. Probably not. it's It's part of it is the hallucinations themselves gotcha that are part of the process. so Anyway, it's very fascinating stuff.
01:24:43
Speaker
And I think there's actually like a Netflix documentary based on it too. I haven't watched that, so I can't endorse it or not. But the book the book's great. Okay. Right on. Yeah.
01:24:55
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This has been our segment on illicit drug use with Brian Kuiper. Which, you know, the thing is, if you, if you have ever, I mean, I just was talking, I don't, I don't even drink. I've never, I had half a cigar once.
01:25:10
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I've never smoked pot. I've never had any kind of drugs that weren't prescription. So I'm like, Brian, you make me look wild. Yeah. I know. i'm And the thing is, i be it's like I don't have any problems with people. It's just not for me.
01:25:25
Speaker
You know, it's what it comes down to. And so it's just, so it's really, don't know. I've got friends like that too. Like it's, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway. um yeah Totally fair, man. Totally fair.
01:25:39
Speaker
um Yeah. Brought to you by the serpent and the rainbow. Brought to you by yeah the serpent in the rainbow. um So the 2014 town that dreaded sundown ah had a limited theatrical release after doing a very small theatrical or ah like circuit run or a festival run in the ah earlier parts of the month of October, 2014.
01:25:59
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ah gets a very limited theatrical release on October 16th, 2014, before moving into VOD, probably even before the end of the month.
Modern Film Release Strategies: A Critique
01:26:09
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It's it's on VOD very quickly.
01:26:12
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um But ah the the weekend box office for, in fact, there is on the numbers, absolutely no box office to speak of for this film. It moved on to VOD so quickly.
01:26:23
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ah So opening the weekend that it comes out so in 2014. Was it just a limited release? then Steven? Yes. Yes. Like they never intended to. I don't know that it, I think after its festival run, I think they kind of, that kind of kiboshed any notion of a wide theatrical release for this film, which I would have at least liked them to try to find their audience, but.
01:26:45
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Yeah. And like, ah I remember like hearing about this film, but then I immediately just saw it at the video store or not at the video store, but like, you know, on streaming, it was on prime.
01:26:58
Speaker
Yeah. And I had no idea there was even a theatrical release. Yeah. Right. I mean, back in the 70s and 80s, you know, when the original was coming out, a movie could make its rounds in different regions in the theater, but it's just not the case anymore at all. I mean, if it doesn't make $100 million dollars in the first weekend,
01:27:18
Speaker
it's not going to do anything. And that's the shame. I think, I think it's, I really wish that movies had time to breathe in the theaters. Agreed. But I think it could have found an audience. Yeah. I really do feel like it could have found an audience if it had.
01:27:33
Speaker
yeah didn' I also don't understand why Netflix hates money so much and is refusing to release Frankenstein, except on a very limited theatrical run. The closest showing to me is well over an hour away. Oh, shit.
01:27:48
Speaker
And yeah. Living just outside of Chicago, I feel very fortunate because there is a very good chance I could find somewhere to watch that. But yeah. Yeah. I mean, i just from an attention standpoint, I really like seeing movies in theaters because I'm, I can't, you know, I can't look at my phone. I can't you locked in yeah just get distracted by my dog or my family or whatever.
01:28:11
Speaker
But ah in a theater, it's just like, you're there, you're there, you're locked in. And so I really like that experience. I know a lot of people don't, but for me, it's sort of like, it's, it's,
01:28:23
Speaker
a semi-sacred experience, I guess, still. and i And I would love for it to continue so Netflix stop being stupid and enjoy money by releasing some of your bigger name movies in theaters. You will make money.
01:28:38
Speaker
Like, if you're going to make movies like that, why not? People are going to come see know, it doesn't make any sense. There's no logic to it. No logic. No, it it literally, because it film is not an art form to Netflix, it's content.
01:28:52
Speaker
It's just ah another thing that they can put out to make money. So the faster they can get it onto the streaming service, the faster they can start making money. Yeah. Well, I mean, they showed of that K-pop demon hunters in the theater for like a week and it made a fucking shit ton of money.
01:29:08
Speaker
Right. and And they're like, we're pulling it out again and it's just going to be on Netflix. Why? You can't make more money from getting more subscribers. All you can do is charge them more for it.
01:29:20
Speaker
It's so Which is what they do. I know. and i And so I don't understand their business model at all. I don't understand why they're so opposed to physical media and theatrical release because they would make money doing it. It's the Disney fucking thing. And now Disney's, they're pretty much putting the kibosh on any and all physical media releases anymore. Yeah.
01:29:43
Speaker
And everything's going like everything goes from theaters to their streaming platform and it stays. It's the, it's the Disney vault thing. yeah Like if we make it scarce, that'll create a demand so that when we do release it, those, you know, those, those greedy little piggies will gobble it up. Cause we've got something they want.
01:30:00
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That's all it is. Yeah. Anyway, that's my rant about Netflix that comes up often. Yeah. I feel like I say that too often.
01:30:12
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One of these days they're going to hear me. We know Ted Sarandas is a big listener to this podcast. He's a huge fan, yeah. Yeah, he writes us all the time, and we refuse to have him on until he listens to Brian Kiper. Well, the NDA, we can't. We signed the NDA, so.
01:30:28
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We should probably bleep all this. Yeah.
01:30:32
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opening it Opening at number one the weekend of October 17, 2014. Brand new film. It's called Fury. i think this is the one with Brad Pitt and Shia LaBeouf. It's like a war thing. Oh, that movie.
01:30:47
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That movie, yeah. I never saw that. I never saw it. I thought that was a Netflix movie. oh Really? ay Brad Pitt made another like soldier movie that I think went direct to one of the streamers, but I don't think it was Fury.
01:31:03
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ah that's a date I think that's the David Ayer movie, the one he did like right before Suicide Squad. Sure, i think that. Yeah, sure. ah Number two, speaking of David Fincher, in its third weekend down from number one the week before, a little movie called Gone Girl.
01:31:19
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That's a good one. It's a good movie. I still haven't seen that one. That's one of the holes in my David Fincher filmography. It's a Sunday afternoon kind of movie. 100%. honestly, the best application of Tyler Perry in a film ever.
01:31:34
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All right. whether So um don't let the fact that he is in it deter you because he is perfectly executed. And at no point is he dressed like a large like a large woman. Yeah.
01:31:47
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Okay. I do trust Mr. Fincher. And Mr. Perry. Yes. And Mr. Perry. do. Medea. Can do wrong. yes and mr perry i do medea but can do know wrong yeah I've never seen a single one of those movies. I've seen more than i care to because my ex was a big fan. Oh, no. oh Red flag, Steven. Red flag.
01:32:13
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I have not heard great things, but, you know, hey, if I'm glad people like them. Yeah. One of the first big big arguments we had as a couple was when she took me to go see Madea's Witness Protection in theaters. Oh, no.
01:32:27
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Oh, no. The trauma. Okay. ah The less said about that, the better. I'm moving on. I'm moving on. sorry Number three. What was number three? To date, the only Madea film I've seen in theaters.
01:32:39
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ah The Book of Life at number three. ah Animated film. ah Not to be confused with the Terrence Malick film, Tree of Life. um Yeah, that's what I was thinking, too. Right. right Well, I'm was a big fan of Tree of Life.
01:32:53
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It's one of those movies I only saw once, but it affected me so deeply that I've never been able to bring myself to watch it again because I don't want to tarnish my original viewing. I have the Criterion Blu-ray on that shelf and I have not revisited it because, again, it's just such a perfect object of a movie. Yeah.
01:33:11
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Yeah. um But no, ah Book of Life ah animated film with Diego Luna, Zoe Saldana, Channing Tatum, Ice Cube, Ron Perlman, Christina Applegate, Cheech Marin, Placido Domingo is in this thing.
01:33:27
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Damn, have no clue what this is. it i it's It's an animated film. i think it's kind of like maybe Coco adjacent. let me Let me pull it up on IMDb here and see.
01:33:39
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don't know if it's that important. No, it's it is that important. We're fucking doing a tangent. ah Manolo, a young man who is torn between fulfilling the expectations of his family and following his heart, embarks on an adventure that spans three fantastic worlds where he must face his greatest fears.
01:33:57
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From producer Guillermo del Toro and de director Jorge Gutierrez. Neat. The cover, the poster does look very Coco-ish. It does.
01:34:09
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Like, so i I mean, including the guy with the guitar on his back and like the skulls, like the day of the dead imagery, like it feels very Coco adjacent, but I don't, I've not seen it. So I don't know for sure.
01:34:22
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I can tell you it is currently streaming on Disney plus Hulu and Peacock. Letterboxd seems to like it. Okay. But how many of those are meme reviews, Brian?
01:34:33
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Oh, don't know. Good call. At fourth place, a movie that we cannot cover on this podcast because it got a sequel earlier this year, Alexander and the Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Day.
01:34:45
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i got a sequel? and I thought that was a remake because it's a different cast. It's a different cast, but Wikipedia has it listed as a s sequel. and But and they're not. Because we all know sequels always have to have the same cast, Tucker.
01:35:00
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They're a different family, though.
01:35:04
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Yeah, but so are the families in Home Alone's three through five. And yet those are all sequels. All right. You got me there. Just saying. and ah In fifth place, also new this week, ah something called The Best of Me, ah which is a movie with Michelle Monaghan and James Marsden that I have never heard of and therefore probably does not exist.
01:35:26
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Yeah. Oh, no. What if there was the best of you? what if What if there was the best of me? um In rounding out the top 10, at number six future episode of this podcast, down from two to six in its second weekend, a little movie called Dracula Untold.
01:35:45
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That's a harsh fall. It's steep plum. You want us to save that one for you, Brian? Want to put a little flag in that one for you? Well, if Dracula 2000 hadn't got a sequel, I'd be with you. That whole trilogy, though. like yeah Patrick Lussier.
01:36:03
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Wes Craven's editor. yeah Wes Craven produced. i kind of I kind of had fun with those. ah Dracula Untold, I do not think I've ever seen.
01:36:14
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Someone with, I think, Luke Wilson. Not Luke Wilson. Luke Evans. luke evans There's no reason to, really. In seventh place, The Judge. What If There Was a Judge?
01:36:26
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ah The movie that got ah Robert Duvall his most recent Oscar nomination. um And Robert Downey Jr. was going to say, is that the one with Robert Downey Jr.? That's really good. Have you seen that?
01:36:38
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i have not. That's really good. i went into it blind. I had no idea what it was. I think I watched it on an airplane. I had no idea what it was. and Seems like the kind movie that might benefit from an airplane viewing.
01:36:51
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Going in blind. Yeah, completely. The Judge. The Judge. yeah judge You see, I just pictured Fred Gwynn in My Cousin Vinny.
01:37:03
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I'm sorry, the Utes?
01:37:08
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Yeah, the two Utes. What is a Ute? I'm sorry, Your Honor. The two Uthes.
01:37:20
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Anyway. Fred Gwynn in, i mean, and Edward Herman, who was in this movie, also played Herman Munster in a made-for-TV Munster's movie. so We've mentioned that before, I think. yeah You have, yeah. um in eighth place, a little movie called Annabelle.
01:37:38
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um ah boom ah About a killer doll from a closet somewhere. ah In yeah ninth place, The Equalizer, starring Denzel Washington.
01:37:49
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All right. ah And in a tenth place, a movie I recently watched, the final entry of the franchise without having seen the second one or the first one since it came out, ah The Maze Runner.
01:38:01
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oh I never saw any of those. Neat. ah for our For our third anniversary, my my partner and I decided we were going to watch third entries in film franchises god to celebrate our our third anniversary.
01:38:13
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And our second of the second movie that came up in our randomizer was The Maze Runner 3 colon The Death Cure. 2014, I was watching a lot of children's movies because my children were Four, six, and eight.
01:38:31
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So I, that was, I didn't watch Zootopia. Yeah, I indeed was. I did not watch the teenager-y movies ah that were coming out at the time because I didn't have to.
01:38:45
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But you probably saw our number 12 movie, The Box Trolls. Number 12 of The Box Trolls. I didn't, actually. No. That kind of looks interesting. Yeah, I think that is I was going to say, that's a George Lucas produced film. Is that Laika?
01:39:01
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I thought that was Laika. It might be Laika. I'm going to Google it here real quick. Hang on. Oh, shit. He's going to Google it. Oh, I'm sorry. This is everyone's favorite segment of the podcast, Stephen Google Shit Live.
01:39:14
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It is a Laika film. Refresh on the fly. Okay. Loosely based on the 2005 novel Here Be Monsters. Okay, I would be curious. I think Laika's got some really good stuff a lot of times. So, I mean, yeah you know, it could be ah could be worth taking a look at.
01:39:30
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With the exception of Missing Link, I'm inclined to agree with you. Yeah, I don't remember seeing that one. it's They did Paranorman, right? Yes, which I love. Paranorman fantastic.
01:39:42
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task That one made my personal top 25 of the last 25 years when we did that for Pod and Pendulum recently. That's really good. That's a great movie. Agreed. The Tomatometer score for The Town That Dreaded Sundown 2014 is a 66%. Oh, that's a surprise.
01:40:01
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It may occasionally mistake more gore for genuine terror, but The Town That Dreaded Sundown is just stylish and clever enough to justify this second stab at the source material.
01:40:15
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Almost. Like, I'm almost with you there on that one. The meta score is a whopping 47 based on mixture average reviews from five, count them, five critics.
01:40:29
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And the Letterboxd score, Tucker, would you care to take a stab, pun intended, at the Letterboxd score for The Town That Dreaded Sundown? I think that there's no there's no memes. There's no jokes with this one, really. So I think the reviews are going to be pretty honest.
01:40:50
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And I think it's going to be between 2.7 and 3.2. You just got there. 2.7. Yes. and three point two you just got there two point seven I still got it.
01:41:07
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I still got it. got it. Brian, as our guest, how many stars are you giving to the 2014 remake of The Town That Dreaded Sundown?
01:41:20
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So I thought a lot about this because this is, you know, this is important stuff. You know, um i was kind of between a three and a three and a half, and I ended up liking it enough to give it a three and half.
01:41:36
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There you go. okay Tucker, what about you? This is a two for me. I feel like it would be higher if I didn't if i weren't so precious about the original.
01:41:49
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Yeah, maybe because my and a half, and my disappointment in it is a big factor in how little I enjoy it, because I can recognize the cool stuff that happens in it.
01:42:00
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But the fact that I'm just so disappointed in it, like that is all those exactly the way I feel about Robert Eggers Nosferatu. Oh, I haven't seen it because I know I'm going to feel that way about it. i I refuse to watch it. Like it's right there. I could watch it on like whatever streaming on, but I won't. Cause I know I'm going to be and I had fun with it.
01:42:22
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The way you described that was like that. Cause was like, maybe I would like it more if I'm not so precious about the Hertzog and the original and shadow vampire.
01:42:33
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ah but But it's just like, there's, Oh, it's just, I find it so frustrating. so yeah the with The way you described it was like, that's like exactly the way I feel about Nosferatu.
01:42:44
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So I get you, man. i get it. get it. i get it I'm going to be very honest with you, Brian, and I don't want you to feel bad about what I'm about to say. ah Your reaction to the Robert Eggers Nosferatu is the reason I didn't go see it in theaters. Oh, no Yeah. oh that makes me feel terrible. don't want you to feel that way. Because i when i I came to it when we talked about it for Pod and Pendulum, yeah the Pod and Pendulum patron.
01:43:09
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Patreon. And I, I had, I loved it. I had a great time and it wasn't like, Oh, I wish I'd have seen this in theaters. I was just like, that was fun. i don't know what Brian's talking about. Okay. No, that's fine.
01:43:20
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You know, that that's, that's the thing. i mean, i feel like I made my case in that episode you yeah best I could. And I tried to be respectful, especially because Ari loves that. Ari loved it. Yeah. Yeah. And, and you ah enjoyed it. You said, so I was like, i was the lukewarm water between the fire and ice. Yeah, exactly.
01:43:45
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My favorite. Derek Smalls to your to your Nigel Tufnell and her her Michael St. Hubbins. David is St. Hubbins. That's right. Yes. um Michael McKean is the actor. David St. Hubbins is the character. Yeah. um I still haven't seen the second spinal tap either. I want to.
01:44:02
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That's OK. um That's what I've heard. Yeah, it's, I actually, i had a good enough time. I smiled a lot. That's kind of the consensus I've heard. Yeah. It's a softer, gentler spinal tap.
01:44:15
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I really enjoyed the ah the promotional stuff they've been doing. Yeah, the promotional stuff was fantastic. In character, my favorite thing was um Amoeba, the record store, does ah What's in My Bag with bands and actors and stuff. And they did one with Michael McKeon and Christopher Guest.
01:44:35
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in character. ah But the selections, the things they picked out, you could tell, even though they were in character, you could tell like it was, they enjoyed it.
01:44:46
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Like, yeah I don't know. It was quite an experience. I've really like, even if the movie isn't that good, I've really enjoyed the whole press tour and everything that they've been on, like all in character. They've been playing those characters for so long that it's kind of like, they it's almost like a second self to them at this point. Like they can just slide right in and out of it.
01:45:05
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And it's like tendrils of the film. Like they even did like a guitar world interview that I read. And like, it's not just YouTube videos. Like, yeah, I don't know. It was really impressive. The amount of stuff that they did on that to really, i think when I see the movie, it'll feel more fleshed out because of that.
01:45:23
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I think you're right. You know, I, um but I gotta say, I liked the movie well enough. I mean, i I've, I've, actually said that to people um i laughed a lot and i smiled a lot and it was it was enjoyable you know the original was made by starving young angry artists the uh the new one is content fat old men and they they're having they're they're you know that's the difference is they're
01:45:55
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is there just they're just having a good time. and yeah Having a laugh with their pals. And it's a very pleasant experience. It's not groundbreaking, but it's a pleasant experience. I do look forward to it, that's for sure.
01:46:10
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sam Same. One of a handful of movies that I'm still really looking forward to seeing this year. I meant to go see it at the theater, but I was kind of perplexed by the fact that it came out on IMAX.
01:46:21
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that is Why was it playing at iMedx? but Like, cool, but also why? Well, there's one reason I can think of, but I don't want to spoil it. Does it have anything to do with a large rock formation in England? Indeed.
01:46:37
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Okay.
01:46:40
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ah That's literally the only reason I can think of to see it in IMAX, though. The children of Stonehenge. One of my favorite lines in a film, in a comedy, is ah the where are they now and where would they be if they were here with us tonight. Oh, funny. Because it's played as so profound, but the answer, you've answered you've answered it in the question. The answer's in the question. Where would they be if they were here with us tonight?
01:47:07
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They'd be right here, dummy. ah for For me, it's it's... I, for one, do not think the problem was that the band was down. I think the problem may have been that there was a Stonehenge monument on the stage that was in danger of being crushed by a dwarf.
01:47:23
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Anyway, that's my... You can't really dust for vomit, Brian. I mean, I can literally literally every line of that movie. is as I got to see that theatrically with my son.
01:47:35
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he He was seeing it for the first time. we saw it theatrically. ah And it was a small crowd, but everyone was like really into it. i love that.
01:47:46
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And I was like, is he going to like this at all? He loved it. And, you know, we like, we were leaving at the theater and these two guys were wearing so you like rib cage t-shirts. And I said, no, that's your, that's your exact inner structure. Right. And e he starts going. He's like, you know, so while I sleep in it sometimes. It was just, it was fantastic.
01:48:07
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It was. Oh God. Yeah. um That's a movie that should have a Rocky Horror picture show type of community. Call and response. i use I use none more adjective all the time when I'm explaining like like when i'm explaining something that's just like extreme. like it It's just none more this. And no one ever gets it.
01:48:29
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But I will just throw it into random conversation. It's one of my most used movie references. From this conversation, it kind of makes me sad that Spinal Tap got a sequel because it would just be like, let's just talk about Spinal Tap. It would.
01:48:43
Speaker
A hundred percent. Here's the thing. We can probably cover Spinal Tap 2 on Unenfranchised sometime behind the paywall. But yeah, I think you're probably right. yeah because i don't think we're gonna get another it's kind of like blues brothers 2000 like we've we've gotten all we're getting out of these guys from this well i i feel like spinal tap 2 came out pretty much as late as it possibly could have agreed like there's it's it if you if you we if if they hadn't done it now i don't think they weren't gonna do it yeah yeah
01:49:15
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yeah So I'm glad it exists. I'm just bummed we can't cover it. Honestly. that's as As spry as these guys are, they're still all like literally 80 years old.
01:49:26
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Yeah. Yeah. And you can tell every time Harry Shearer voices any character on The Simpsons. Simpsons. Yeah, it's true. Those years all come rolling out. yeah it's pretty Yeah, it's pretty evident. All those guys are getting a little too old to be doing. Julie Kavner especially. Julie Kavner sounds so different now.
01:49:44
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She does. it Yeah. ah She could probably just be Marge without doing any affect to her voice at this point. She's probably shredded her vocal cords to such a degree. I'm sure. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. But that having been said, Brian, thank you so much for coming back and joining us. It has been far too long.
01:50:01
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Let us not make it so long next time. That would rule. um I would love to come back on any time. we've We've got a few. I've got a few episodes that I have you down for, and I may have to prioritize a few of those in the coming months. so Okay.
01:50:19
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I would love to. I'd love to. And, you know, hey, I know I'm kind of the horror guy, but, you know, I contain multitudes, as I like say. I mean, follow that bird be and Commando being two prime examples there, not horror films, but yeah.
01:50:35
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And i I said this off air, but I really do mean it. I think probably my most memorable experience of podcasting and one of the most joyful I've ever had, frankly,
01:50:46
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was talking with you guys about Follow That Bird. Because such aome I remember just having the shittiest day and not really being up for it. And you guys, we just, we ibb been i we were like by the end, just laughing on the verge. I think we were on the verge of like nostalgia tears. 100%. All of us, yeah you know, so ah truly one of the really memorable and special occasions of podcasting in my and my life so Awesome. hey
01:51:16
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ah appreciate that means that means a lot brian and you you're you're a man who does his fair share of podcasting speaking of which what have you got cooking right now what are you writing what podcasts are you working on give us a little insight behind the the mind of brian kuipper in these times Yes. Well, um I have been guesting on Schlock and Ha a fair amount recently with Lindsay Wilkins. I love the name of that podcast, by the way. So great. um She's she's a lot of fun to talk to. And I just like pitch out weird ideas. And she's like, yeah, let's do it.
01:51:52
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ah So one day. So recently i have done with on Schlock and Ha. um Paddington 3, Paddington in Peru, with Aguirre, The Wrath of God.
01:52:07
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Just, I mean. That's a double feature. Yeah. That's a hell of a double feature. Yeah, it Wow. um Magnolia and One of your all-time favorite movies. One of my favorite movies. Magnolia and what?
01:52:22
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Frogs. the movie with Ray Moland and Sam Elliott, literally one of the dumbest movies you could possibly imagine. see When you said frogs originally, I thought you were talking about the one with, um, Shelley Duvall and Paul Williams and Elliot Gould this is the one I thought you were talking about, but that is not the one that I've seen.
01:52:43
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but same No, it makes this double feature makes sense. I see you. I see you. Yeah. Well, I was watching frogs and went, this would make a, you know, got to the end and it was like, this would make a great double feature with Magnolia.
01:52:56
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Now, do you play, it do you play frogs first or Magnolia first? I think we did. I think we did frogs first because Magnolia just had a lot more to talk about though. I, I would have probably preferred to do it the other way, but I would say, yeah I think the other way the other way would be interesting because the, of where Magnolia ends. Yes.
01:53:16
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Yes, and then you just have this silly, like, frog invasion movie. Yeah. I don't know. I know. I think that. It wasn't it wasn't it wasn't up to me.
01:53:26
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um so Yeah, well. It do be like that sometimes. It do be like that. And then most recently, just this month, um I talked with her about Scream 4, my beloved Scream 4. It's the best one. It's the best one. What? is with you You agree with me on? Yes. Yeah.
01:53:46
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Wow. or is the best scream No one agrees with me on that point. But did we just become best friends? You just went as a lifelong friend of Bonhap.
01:53:59
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Indeed. Indeed. um And we paired that with Ingrid Goes West. So we had a couple of of great sort of let's hate social media together movies. yeah um So that was a lot of fun. um Anyway, i'll I'm sure I'll be pitching her some weird ideas in the future and she'll say, anyone can do it, Brian, yeah it's you.
01:54:21
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Yeah, I believe in me. um And then recent recently on Bloody Disgusting, I'm having kind of a busy month. um I had just had a piece drop that is The what my opinion, the best Frankenstein movies of each decade going back to 1910, all the way up to the 2020s. So that's 12 decades of movies.
01:54:50
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And you talk about De Niro. You talk about De Niro.
01:54:55
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Didn't. No. He's an honorable mention. Really? He was a monster. You said yeah it was all the the best Frankenstein movies. Not the best portrayals of Frankenstein. You don't like Mary Shelley's Frankenstein?
01:55:09
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i I do not. like that. Tucker, you're the only one who does. We are suddenly not friends anymore. We were on the same wavelength for so long there. And then all of a sudden, i ah back to square run.
01:55:23
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I know, man. I know. I recently watched re-watched it for for my series that I'm doing on Man or Vellum on Frankenstein. All the Frankenstein movies I can possibly see and writing about them all. And that one did not hold up for me.
01:55:39
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I haven't seen i've excited in about five years. With the exception of de Niro's portrayal. I think De Niro is actually doing something. But for for everyone else, it's like they they're acting and it's a yeah movie and they're grabbing each other's lapels and screaming in each other's faces and going, what are you doing?
01:56:00
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you know that's Remember, this is a talkie, so I need everyone to be experiencing every emotion the full range of human emotion in every scene. Exactly. that's Yes. I believe that was... Yeah, I read your Letterboxd review of that movie and went, yeah, he's right.
01:56:15
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and That's exactly how I feel about this.
01:56:20
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I haven't seen it since 2020. I'm actually really, really proud of the write-up I did in my series ah about Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, though. I'm 100% linking that in our show notes, for sure. yeah Please do, because I'm interested in it, for sure.
01:56:35
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Yeah. um So that that was part I did. So far, I've done like I'm on like my 10th installment of the Frankenstein series. So going back to like prototype movies from early cinema and then, you know, individual pieces, of course, on Frankenstein and then from 31 and then did all the Hammer movies that did all the rest of the Universal movies.
01:56:58
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I did what I call the weirdos, which are just kind of strange movies of the 40s and 50s and 60s that were just sort of Frankenstein movies, you know, things like the brain that wouldn't die and, you know, right crazy stuff like that. um And then I did ah section that I called Reclamation, which was like getting back to the source material.
01:57:22
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So you have, you know, Frankenstein, the true story. And and of course, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein was included in that. um So I and now I did a I'm i'm working on parodies right now. i ah did Abbott and Costello up to ju some more young frank now just before Young Frankenstein. And then I did a piece solely devoted to Young Frankenstein. And I'm working on the section that goes from the 1974 Post Young Frankenstein All the way up to the 2000s To 2000 then I'm going to do a separate Thing for the rest Lisa Frankenstein will be ah Later because things get
01:58:04
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going Anyway, that's that's a long way to talk about my Frankenstein Oracle. It's Frankenstein series that I'm quite proud of. um and then So Bloody Disgusting, I've got i've got things coming up.
01:58:17
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um So you can keep an eye on that. ah And the thing that I'm cooking up the most in the podcast world is my friend Patrick Brennan and I, fellow writer, are doing a...
01:58:31
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a podcast together called Holy Terrors, which looks at horror movies through the lens of faith, religion, and spirituality.
01:58:41
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And so we have most anticipated podcast of the next year for sure. That's that's I'm glad. Thank you. I appreciate that. um So what I'm what we're doing is we're we're banking some episodes, getting things ready. We've recorded things on ah The Burbs, we've recorded things on Heretic from 2024. We've recorded on The Prophecy from 1995, starring Christopher Walken, which is a movie I saw.
01:59:10
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and i am the Archangel, Gabriel. Yeah, that's a wild one. So, so ah Kill List, we're trying to keep things... um everyone on their toes for what we're doing.
01:59:22
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um So that's coming up. We're hoping to pitch to a network after the after the Halloween season here. And hopefully we'll be launching by the beginning of the year. So we will, fingers crossed that we're able to get with the network and really get the word out on it because we're really happy with where it's going and and and yes listeners I have been tapped for an episode yes you have holy terrors okay yeah so um we will hopefully be launching before too long and if you want to keep up on that launch yeah you can follow me at brianwaves42
02:00:03
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everywhere you get your social medias Indeed. Yeah. It's literally my handle. Absolutely everywhere. So that's it. It makes it easy to remember. Absolutely. well It's good to have a stupid handle. Everyone.
02:00:19
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hey You sure you wouldn't rather have your handle just be your first and last name? It wasn't one. And then I was like, that feels weird. And so I changed it back. Yep.
02:00:31
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I, I'm envy. I'm those times. yeah Um, Brian, always a pleasure. You are welcome back literally anytime. Um, so it just, anytime you want to throw us something at us, let us know and I'll, I'll squeeze you in hundred percent.
02:00:46
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Um, sounds good and I am gonna, I, I have you down for like three or four different episodes. So I'll, I'll start trying to get those on the schedule sooner than later. so soon, hopefully. Yeah. there was There was a time when I just handed Brian the the list and he's like, ooh, this one, this one, this one, this one, and this one. I'm like, all right, penciling you in, bud.
02:01:03
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Yeah, I know things are a little busy. So, I mean, just making it work is is sometimes a challenge for everybody. But yeah, um sounds like a, I would love to. i really enjoy talking to to both y'all.
02:01:15
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Oh, yeah. fun. Absolutely. And Brett, when we can get him. Sometimes Brett. um We love that guy. Brett. We love you, buddy. um This, this is the disenfranchised podcast. You can find us on a few forms of social media. I think we're on blue sky litter box YouTube right now. And yeah, no, i think that's it at disenfranch pod.
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02:02:34
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02:02:50
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Yeah. It's there. It is there. I do remember that. and Yep. that That was indeed my first chance to talk about screen for on a podcast.
02:03:01
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02:03:17
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um I'm your host. I'm Stephen Foxworthy. Hi, hello, it's me. ah You can find me on Letterboxd Blue Sky. That's it, at disenfranch... Or not, no, i I update that too, but I'm the Chewy Walrus.
02:03:30
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I'm at Chewy Walrus. Chewy like the the granola bar. Walrus like the tusked mammal. um don't Don't find Brett Wright on... Oh, I should i should also mention my other podcast. Sorry. Wells University.
02:03:43
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Where my hope my friend Hope Stow and i my hope My friend Hope Stow and I... She is your your hope. She is my hope. for sure My only hope, for sure. yeah um We talk about the life and work of Orson Welles. We've been on a bit of a sabbatical because my life has been...
02:03:59
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insane But we're going to be picking the picking up the the baton and running with it here very, very soon. um And talking about Voodoo Macbeth one of these days. It's going happen. I just don't know when. We're getting there. We we will. We will get there.
02:04:12
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um And yeah, that's honestly a lot of fun. And I'm looking forward to getting back into that with her because that's just ah always a joy. um And yeah, don't follow Brett Wright on social media. He doesn't like it when you do that. So stop it. like it If you're doing it now, unfollow him.
02:04:28
Speaker
Stop it. off Give the man his privacy during this trying time. It's over. Go home. We ask that you would respect our privacy during this time.
02:04:39
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And by us, I mean Brett. um But hey, Tucker, ah where can we find you on socials these days? You can find me on Instagram and YouTube at Ice909.
02:04:50
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That's I-C-E-N-I-N-E, the number zero. And the number nine. Also, Tuck Mugs exists. As I say every week, Tuck underscore Mugs.
02:05:02
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Like, ah it's been a couple weeks since there's been an update, but there have been a lot more consistent updates as of late. i I actually was with you when you purchased a mug very recently. So I'm hoping that will make Tuck Mugs premiere very soon. Am I going to do the Rise and Shine?
02:05:22
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I think you should do the rise, the ubiquitous rise and shine. gotta help me with that, though. Okay. but Can we collaborate on that post?
02:05:32
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I don't see why not. Former social media manager. Oh, are we are we actually like revealing that now? Hey, we're revealing it. It's happening right now. For years, there was a... Episode 252.
02:05:46
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There was a bit wherein... 251 now, because we we did a rewind last week. Oh, shit. You're right. My bad. I am right. um where we did um where I was basically post tucker Tucker would send me mugs and I would post them on the tuck mugs website um I guess that's all he had to say but oh there he is okay yep sorry about that do need to timestamp that and I mean you might want to the recording didn't stop though that's is it funny though is my question
02:06:17
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ah I'll let you listen to it and decide. quite Yeah, that's cool. Where are we at? I want to make that. I would basically act as his social media manager for Tuck Mugs, and then he would get on the podcast and just badmouth his social media manager.
02:06:33
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and Sometimes overly praise. I mean, it was kind of a, it was a bit that went both ways, really. It it was it was it was a very mixed bag. But then at at some point he basically said, hey, can I just take this over and do this myself? i think I'm ready to do this myself. And I'm like, yeah, man, have at it. Go for it.
02:06:50
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so So, yeah. tu Tucker is now in full control of Tuck Mugs, as it should be Full control. Yeah. Yeah. Big lore drop for anybody who's ready for it.
02:07:04
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I don't think anybody We finally admitted it. No. Wow. I wasn't ready for it, quite frankly. And I lived it. Tuck underscore mugs, as I say. Anybody can enjoy tuck mugs. It's just mugs with liquids in them.
02:07:18
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There's no reason to talk about anything else on tuck mugs. We can all come together and just like save the human race and shit. Not to put too fine a point on it, really. oh no.
02:07:33
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The mugs will bring us together. we will find a common ground in the drinking facilitators. It is mugs.
02:07:44
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It is pint glasses. It is shot glasses. It's all things old liquid. Once upon a time, I posted my gizmo tiki mug on there. You've posted a few things, Stephen. And then I then i posted my ah my gremlin's ah my gremlins coffee mug but full of eggnog and alcohol and along with my my gizmo. Oh.
02:08:06
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That looks like the perfect mug for a Tuckmug. I think Brian, send some pictures and do a write-up over to Tucker, and he will absolutely post that. That's the thing.
02:08:17
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That's the thing about Tuckmugs is not only, Brian, are you invited to submit that mug, Tuckmugs, because I will post the shit out of that. All you have to do and we'll take you in it and everything is get pictures of like you know all sides of it.
02:08:34
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um Tell us the origin of it, like what it means to you, what its whole story is, what its whole thing is. And then tell us what's in it. It's easy. it so You might want to put something in it first. gave it me last Christmas.
02:08:49
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Don't spoil it. Come on, man. Come on, man. You'll figure it out. I don't know. I hear now ah put pens in it sometimes. There you go. Put some pens in it. Take picture of it with pens in it.
02:09:02
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It doesn't have to be a liquid in it. don't think we've ever had but I don't think we've ever had a pen mug on Tuck Mugs before. you know i usually I'm into it, though. Shining mug. that's right next to it oh we're gonna play it makes jack wait oh boy that's another tuck mug submission you're gonna say cras just pulling out all the tuck mug stops here i'm gonna have to stagger these there's so many we've seen the friendship come back around full circle they've gone from friends to enemies back to friends again they've been all the way back around on it yeah it's a good feeling
02:09:36
Speaker
It is indeed. Oh, I'm getting loopy. i mean We all are. It's time to put this shit to bed. This has been such a fun episode. Brian, again, you're you're amazing. You're always so great to come on. Thank you again so much for for joining us to talk about 2014 remake of The Town That Dreaded Sundown.
02:09:56
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ah This has been Disenfranchised Podcast for... my co-host Tucker, the absent Brett Wright, and the very present, very special guest, Brian Kuiper. Until next time, I just want to point out that every house around here is a damn farmhouse.
02:10:10
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And something has got to be done. Also, Gary Cole was having the best time right before he got shot in the eye. Like, the best time. had that i don't think anyone's had a gun.
02:10:21
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He didn't even want the gun, Stephen. No, he wanted what he had, but a beer at the same time. Yeah. Like he was gilding the little, all he needed to do was turn on the TV and he would have gone full Costanza. And what man doesn't want that?
02:10:34
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Right. Really.
02:10:56
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Bye.