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Episode 149
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This week is our 3rd year anniversary! (Thank you, to anyone who has supported and continues to support our podcast!)
This week we discuss the penultimate episode of The Penguin, we talk Shrinking season 2, Superman and Lois, Ray reviews Fantastic Beasts: The Secrets of Dumbledore (2022), we watched He Got Game (1998), we breakdown the good and the bad (mostly bad) of Todd Phillips vision of Joker, reviewing his first entry from 2019 and the new sequel starring Joaquin Phoenix and Lady Gaga, Joker: Folie à Deux, we review the new film Strange Darling and finally we review the excellent new Disney+ documentary Music by John Williams
Podcast BONUS: We added the clip from Episode 82 from Summer 2023, our John Williams career retrospective!
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Celebrating 3 Years of Geek Blur
00:01:25
Speaker
Hey, what's going on? What's going on? Welcome to the third annual Geek Blur anniversary show. We've been around for three years. A little podcast that could. Chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chi chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken, chicken.
00:01:45
Speaker
Oh, and we did it. 149 episodes. Thank you everyone who's listened, if you're watching, if you're listening, throughout the years. um Yeah, that's basically all. Usually we have something big planned, but this year we don't. I mean, we didn't plan on anything big.
DC Shows: Penguin Finale & Arkham's Fate
00:02:03
Speaker
A couple of tidbits that I want to get into before we get into the rest of the show. It's stuff that we've been talking about lately.
00:02:09
Speaker
ah Number one we were talking a lot about the penguin with the finale coming up this week. We'll talk about the last episode soon a couple minutes, but Arkham this show that was supposed to happen that was gonna be probably Jeffrey Wright coming back um They had the they had the Gotham PD show seeing how well penguin is done on max on HBO and makes you think of all the possibilities that are being missed out on. I know there's some rumors of some shows maybe happening through Matt Reeves. I don't know if there's been any official word from him. I don't know if he said anything about it. I know the Joker was the big one. it's and It's in the news. We'll talk about it later. But um yeah, the missed opportunities. i know I know the Arkham show was canceled. I know the Gotham PD show was canceled. there was there There were plans for them. I don't know if they ever shot a
00:02:57
Speaker
Pilots, you know if they went in the pilot. I don't know if they didn't know they never did that ah The Arkham show has been moved to the DC you so Matt Reeves is overseeing that for the DC you Okay. Okay. That was the last I heard about that show um Is that it it got canceled in the res reverse, but ginger unlike the idea I think he wanted to go more fantastical with the villains of that show So I think they moved to the DC you Okay, let's see, that would make more sense, you're right. that can get you like sci-fi You can go the route, you can do everything you want with that. yeah That would make sense. um and We'll get into the rest of the news on that. The other thing I wanted to bring up, I talked about Agatha all along the finale last week. um Theory on death.
Fan Theories: Thanos & Death
00:03:35
Speaker
Aubrey Plaz's character, they he found out towards the end of the series that she was death. Of course, in the comic books, Thanos was obsessed with death. That's the whole reason why he got the gauntlet.
00:03:45
Speaker
killed half the universe in the comic books is to impress death um in the MCU the half of the universe was brought back and the speculation I saw a couple of times this week was what if death comes back brings back Thanos in a way because she's pissed either going through multiversal fuckery or whatever because all of those lost souls that she gained through death when they all were snapped were automatically brought snapped back and she lost all those souls. I thought that was kind of an interesting theory, um kind of seeking a replacement for all the souls that she lost, taking it out on Thanos, maybe in the multiverse, I don't know if we'll ever see anything like that. But I saw that theory, I thought it was cool. The other thing that I wanted to bring up, and I know you got me into the absolute Batman, the absolute Batman, came a couple weeks ago.
00:04:37
Speaker
Absolutely Superman came out this week, correct? I think you got it, right? Yeah, you've got it. I have yet to read it. Yeah, I got it. I got there an hour from the store, but it was the last copy. They had like one variant covered left also, but I just wanted to read the copy. I know Wonder Woman, was it this week or last week, too? Yeah, I've heard Wonder Woman was the best one. I heard it was good, too. I heard it was good, too. I heard they did a great job with her as an They won't let her say the word Amazonian and there's kind of a play on it. That's what I heard. I heard a couple of things about the Batman comic too, about the symbol and this and that, but we'll get into it once you read it. But I saw this three-part comic cover of the first issues, variant covers of the three issues, the first few issues of the absolute Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman. I thought they were really, really cool. I love it when three covers come together as one. The absolute justice lady they're calling it.
00:05:29
Speaker
That's cool. Very cool. Um, I love the art. Um, I love Batman. and yeah I think we already talked about it last month, but it was pretty awesome. I think flash is getting his coming out in March. First issue of the flash one was coming out in March. I believe they're planning a green lantern one also an absolute green lantern. And of course March to me and Hunter, we we talked about all about that. Yeah. yeah it yeah the aianman hunter Yeah. Yeah. And be an absolute justice league eventually, but that'd be really cool.
The Penguin: Penultimate Episode Recap
00:05:55
Speaker
um What we watched this week, we watched the penultimate episode 7 of The Penguin. Kind of on a set point to the finale. We know the finale is going to be huge. Pretty much what we speculated happened. ah Oz's mother has been kidnapped by Sophia. um The beginning of this episode, we see a great flashback to Oz when he's a child.
00:06:18
Speaker
with his two brothers find out what happened to his brothers um but sounds like a person psychopathic yeah rusome um we find out their fate they were they were drowned in but from oz from oz now i'm mean a sewer my question to you is so i've seen this meanme go around um with that's dark reading from Game of Thrones the blonde of hair, blonde of hair, brown of hair thing showing ah Oz and the guy that was helping his brothers with some money and that Oz actually looks like he could be his son because all we know about the penguin is he knows nothing about his father. How that drug ping in the neighborhood could be his father. That's just a rumor going around. I doubt we'll actually get any
00:06:57
Speaker
um I don't ever get any real relation about that, but that's just a an online rumor I've seen, which is kind of a interesting theory that if you ever go to a season two or whatever, we might get to that. But we'll see. Yeah, we'll have to wait and see on that. um So the end of the last episode, episode six, Oz's mother is kidnapped by Sophia.
00:07:18
Speaker
um In this episode, she gets Dr. Julian Rush to come in and intergate interrogate her. um Find out what is up with Oz's mother. See if she really really kind of has that dementia. um kind of see what's See what's in her brain. See what's in going on. And I get all these weird, like we've mentioned it before, you get all these weird Arkham penitentiary um doctors like Hugo Strange. like
00:07:48
Speaker
Scarecrow you get all these all these people involved in this what you think this who you think this character could be um But that's what happens in this episode Sal and Oz have a fight in a subway train Sal goes down in the confines Oz's lair and in a i and a on a unceremonious fashion Sal just dies with a heart attack as he's fighting Oz. I thought there'd be a little bit more of it, but Oz took it and he's he's like taking power, completely taking power, ready to face Sofia and that's what we're gonna get in the
Smallville & Superman: Character Comparisons
00:08:27
Speaker
finale. um Now, my question to you is, um I've been rewatching a little bit of Smallville here and there, yeah talking about with the group and stuff.
00:08:35
Speaker
um Obviously we get Lionel Luther in Smallville. How great would what's his name be his Lionel Luther? I've probably brought it up on the podcast before because it's not I thought I've recently had but just watching him He would have eaten you'd be such a good Lionel Luther if they bring that character in the DC you you're talking about um ah Nancy Brown can yes, that's right. I was blank. Yeah. Yes Yeah, he was amazing. He's a great actor. He's just an incredible actor. Like he's, I mean, on Dexter Newblood, he was fucking fantastic. Yeah. Probably my second or third favorite, Millen from Dexter. um yeah He's just an all around great actor and it sucks and anyone out like that. His roles.
00:09:13
Speaker
was that I say his roles are so versatile because not only does he play that role, but he also plays Mr. Krabs in Spongebob Squarepants. Yes. He has like the spectrum of everything. Yeah, funny characters. Obviously, he played Kergan back in the day. But it's funny about him dying and the only person that knows how he died is Oz. So of course, Oz, after he has the heart attack, he dies screaming, I've got you, just like you did at the Batman. And then he just shoots him a bunch of times. So it looks like he actually is the one that killed him when in reality he wasn't
00:09:44
Speaker
Yep, steals the ring, makes it look, yeah. um So after that happens, Sal is dead, Sofia takes revenge and sends bombs down into Oz's operations, blows up the whole entire sewer.
00:09:58
Speaker
And that's where we stand at the end of the episode. Oz standing in the dust of where his compound used to be. Zovia and Oz are on a collision course in the finale. Oz's mother will probably be the centerpiece of it all. um I've been saying it from the very beginning. Something has to happen to her to awaken the penguin that we know from the comic books from lore of Batman lore.
00:10:24
Speaker
um The other thing, I wrote this down way before the internet went crazy about it. We have not seen the Batman. Rumors are that he's not in the finale, not in the show at all. um I know a lot of people have seen the finale for some reason. um I guess reviewers. Yeah, they set out all eight episodes to the reviewers. And I'm guessing that if he's in the show, they did they just cut that scene as it won't do anything as far as the plot of the show goes. But he should show up, especially what we saw at the end of episode seven.
00:10:53
Speaker
Gotham has exploded. Yes exploded in big time and if the Batman does not show up From all the shit that happened in the Batman movie. That is a huge loss of this show because he is there to protect Gotham, and now Gotham is burning. Literally burning. And apparently apparently, though, in the second episode, somebody said that you could see on the newspaper or something about Bruce Wayne being, like, gone to help, whatever, like, just being out of the city for this time. um But I don't know, I haven't rewatched. I'm gonna rewatch most of them leading up to the finale Saturday and Sunday.
00:11:27
Speaker
Um, so I'll see if I catch that or not. And that's just what I heard. I don't know if it's true or not, but, uh, yeah, we need, I think it'd be cool if the show, cause this episode is basically like seven and eight are going to happen within five to six hour period. So the city blows up. He goes and takes care of whatever with Sophia.
00:11:45
Speaker
The show that storyline comes to a close or goes leads into the Batman part two. And then maybe at the end of the show, you hear you see the bat signal go up or something. And then you hear the theme maybe brought in. I don't know. That's just the thought I had. um But yeah, I mean, it has to lead into the second movie at some point. um And like you said, i'd be weird. The Batman didn't make an appearance at all.
00:12:09
Speaker
Right. You got two warring factions going against each other, acting like they're not afraid of anything. When you saw the penguins terrified of Batman, and we're going to a finale where they both think they're running Gotham, and they have this one big gleaming factor that's making them, would make them think that they're not, and that would be the Batman. Correct. So what do we see on that? um Shrinking. Caught up on Shrinking episode 5?
00:12:34
Speaker
I sure have, buddy. Great show. I don't want to get into
Superman & Lois: Lex Luthor's Influence
00:12:38
Speaker
it too much because you haven't seen it. and I don't want to talk out of context, but Brett Goldstein wasn't in this episode. We know that episode is going to be coming soon, the confrontation episode. We'll talk all about that when it happens. You wanted to talk about Superman. Lois, you're catching up on this. We're at the final part of that season.
00:12:55
Speaker
ah this last season for the show oh This episode, um Luther went after pretty much all of Smallville um and kind of made an enemy out of everyone in Smallville sticking up for Superman. um He tries to basically muscle his way into this lady's property so he can set up shop in Smallville to basically make Lois and Clark's life a living hell. Okay. And Lana Lang makes the lady back out, like convinces her to back out of the deal that he was going to pay her, which he's going to pay her like three times for the property's worth. And so he goes to confront her in a bar
00:13:33
Speaker
and he offers her $10 million dollars for the property and $10 million dollars for every person in the bar if she agrees to sell the the property. Superman shows up because he knows that Lana's down there and could be in danger and Basically the entire bar turns against Lex Luthor and you have him threatening Superman's wife and kids again He knows that the kids are also super powered at this point um And so the end of the episode Superman goes to confront Luthor who's in his like little like apartment or whatever and they're just outside in the street talking outside of the apartment and and he goes to confront him and Luther hits like a little key fob thing and the lights turn red which of course as you know the red sun drains Superman of his powers so then it becomes a one-on-one human fight and Luther obviously gets the upper hand but because he's Superman he uses his will and his fortitude to basically beat the piss out of Lex Luther
00:14:31
Speaker
it does not know that his wife and kids are actually watching because they show up at the scene like late as he's just absolutely beating the fuck out of Lex Luthor and I believe Luthor says something like now they see the real you or something like that they're both like kind of bloody and whatnot after this altercation and that's where we're left off with only a few more episodes of the show. um I love this show. Luther is awesome. Abe from The Walking Dead is fantastic as Luther. This big brawler, Lexa, spent 18 years in prison because of Lois, basically, on a crime he didn't actually commit, even though he'd committed so many crimes, which is like why he wants to get so much revenge against them. and in It's just been a great storyline.
00:15:13
Speaker
In the show, does he have a history with Superman? Like, in the comic books? Like, does he know? Is that why he was in prison? Yes. um Okay, okay. They've been back and forth. um But you don't really know that. Like, Luthor doesn't come in until, like, the... I want to say the seventh or eighth episode of season three. Okay. Or maybe the midway point. But, yeah. um They had a history, but they don't really talk much about it. Okay. But you just know they had a history, and... Yeah, it's it's been fantastic.
00:15:42
Speaker
Awesome, awesome. um So I watched a couple of movies, not ah not a big not a big
Fantastic Beasts & Its Connection to Harry Potter
00:15:48
Speaker
load besides what we had planned for this week, but I did catch up on one of the last Harry Potter movies, Harry Potter related movies from the magical world of Harry Potter. Fantastic Beasts, The Secrets of Dumbledore. This came out right after the pandemic, 2022. Had you never seen it? Never saw it because... Oh, this is the this is the last one, that's right. this is the This is the last one, and I knew number one that it was left off on a cliffhanger.
00:16:11
Speaker
And I also knew that it had been canceled for the fourth movie. um for I think they planned for five or something like that. but um It took two years for me to watch this movie. um The cancel culture also took was a big part of it. JK Rowling got canceled because of stuff she was saying about the trans rights and everything.
00:16:32
Speaker
um Ezra Miller, of course, big part of this franchise in the first movie that I tried to do for the second one. By the third time, he had already been cancelled. All that crazy shit had happened. This is right around the time Flash was was being ready to come out. um And Johnny Depp. At the end of the first episode, you find out that Grindelwald is Johnny Depp.
00:16:53
Speaker
He's in the second movie, he plays Grindelwald the whole entire movie, and then he gets recast in the third movie to Matt Mickelson, who's a great actor, but it's just weird to see a a huge character be cast.
00:17:07
Speaker
changed the changing of this casting by the third movie it's weird that's kind of why I stayed away from it plus I knew it was very really poor and the rate in the reviews after the second movie is pretty bad too um but Jessica Williams who I forgot she's in shrinking she plays um Jason Siegel's kind of love interest in in shrinking She plays a an American witch in this. She's an American professor named Lolly. um Eddie Redmayne returns. Dane Fogler, who's and i'm not on a lot of stuff, but he's really funny, but he's in this series. Allison Siddle is Queenie. They all kind of return. Everybody from the series returns in some way in this. Dumbledore sends Newt and a group of wizards into Berlin in 1932. This is right around the time of not only
00:17:53
Speaker
Grindelwald's army taking shape but um it's also right before Nazi Germany so you kind of get that you kind of get the the Grindelwald army was kind of connected to that same Nazi regime that was happening at the same time um all about Grindelwald's and Dumbledore's storied love affair which was hinted by J.K. Rowling way way back after the last book came out she said that Dumbledore was gay and her lover was Grindelwald that was That was kind of played out in this. um Also, a follow-up to the family history that was shown in Deathly Hallows for Dumbledore. um That was also played out a little bit in this, but again, watching the movie did not play a huge part in this story. The first movie is great of this series. Second movie is eh. This movie is eh. And and i that's why the series is not continuing, unfortunately. um I think
00:18:49
Speaker
The last two movies had had brought Hogwarts into it, brought McGonagall, brought Jude Law coming in and playing Dumbledore, who did a fantastic job playing Dumbledore. You want to see Harry Potter, and that's why they're making the series on Max, and that's why this was cancelled. So, for me, 3 out of 5 for this movie. i'm Glad I watched it, now I'm all caught up on the Wizarding World movies. um The next movie I need to catch up in on is one of the Hunger Games movies, Battle the spell of the Songbirds and Snakes, which just came out last year. um and i But yeah that's pretty much all I have left to catch up on geeky shit. Big, huge geeky movies, franchises that I'm into. but
00:19:29
Speaker
Um, this month we're doing basketball movies, so this week we chose the movie He Got Game from 1998. Yes.
He Got Game: Basketball & Beyond
00:19:37
Speaker
A Spike Lee joint. for the first time in probably 20 years, I'd say. I had a lot of questions for you. I had a lot of questions for you off the pod. Yes, yes. Off the pod? Well, we talked to we talked what we talked about it off the pod. Ray Allen.
00:19:56
Speaker
Yes, of course this movie stars Denzel. We'll get into that Denzel, Washington um Ray Allen who is a basketball player and I asked you I believe the beginning of the week if if he was any good and and and then kind of things see and as I was As I was asking you as I was asking you this kind of thing started coming back together. that He did play for the Celtics um And he won the championship with the Celtics. Yeah Paul Pearson on the whole group he yeah That was a big deal and then also he was a guy that i remember you talking about at one point being and everybody in boston hates this guy became public enemy number one right now i remember after i asked you after i asked you about all this oh yeah he's say he the guy so that yeah so he's the guy he's but this is him the reason he's the reason why labron james won his first championship because he was so good in that finals after labron went to the finals in 2000
00:20:48
Speaker
11 I want to say with the heat and got fucking smoked by Dallas They brought in Ray Allen and Ray Allen was absolutely on fire the entire finals the next year And is the reason why LeBron wanted to have a ship. Yes So he stars in this this is we figured this is right during his drafts. Maybe the draft year a year I did some research because I didn't okay completely cold. So he was drafted in 1996 this movie came out in 98. Okay. Um, so they filled it wanted Kobe, but at that time Kobe had plenty of endorsement deals and couldn't commit to doing it in the off season. He needed to commit to somebody so me to commit the entire off season. um So during halftime of the Milwaukee Bucks team that drafted Ray Allen and New York Knicks, who Spike Lee has been at every New York Knicks game since the mid 90s, I'd say, he pushed Ray Allen, asked him if he wanted to be in it, and eventually Ray Allen agreed to it.
00:21:42
Speaker
He took acting classes for about two months. And then also Denzel helped him out a lot on the set. And honestly, he's pretty good in this movie. I'm not gonna lie. I was gonna say that. I was gonna say that. Twenty years old he probably was. Yeah. Pretty damn good in this movie. I thought so too. I thought I was gonna say that. That was gonna be my main thing. Playing his girlfriend in this, Rosario Dawson, very young Rosario. Has not aged, by the way. Like she looks... Has not at all. Almost as good now as she did then.
00:22:12
Speaker
Mila jovik this is before she got into resident evil um right after the the fifth element um John Turturro is in this Ned Beatty have cameos in this um Overall great fucking movie 1998. I'm not sure how many spike. I'm not sure how many spike Lee movies I've seen I know I watched the one black Klansman. I've seen this yep that's a great mom I don't remember what else I've seen from him, but the director was kind of ruined by the studio oh Yes, that was him wasn't I've seen that too. oh yeah when I was watching this to remind me. I don't think I've ever seen Malcolm X That is on our list. It's definitely that is definitely on our list um The other thing I'm gonna bring it up now because I'm gonna forget about it JFK the anniversary is in a couple weeks you and I have talked about when you never seen the JFK movie and with Kevin Costner. Yeah. Nice. I think we're going to watch it in a couple of weeks. Thanksgiving a week around there. um That's when the anniversary is. So this week, um getting into all of that mess. um I got to go through my slides here because I lost my.
00:23:20
Speaker
Give me two seconds. Number one, but yeah oh if anybody wants to see the movie, there's a poster for it. yeah um And it's basically, if you're not familiar with it, guys in prison for accidentally killing his wife. He taught Ray Allen how to play basketball when he was younger. He gets out of prison basically for a week to convince Ray Allen to go to the governor's whos his son of school.
00:23:42
Speaker
who yeah and obviously his son does not like him um it's very almost like documentary style points i feel like this movie um oh it's it's very very good uh very good and the ending is very satisfying uh denzel's awesome and it i definitely recommend watching it You know what this movie reminded me a lot of and reminded me of The Longest Yard like the not yet both of them the one with um yeah the one with Adam Sandler and What's his name? Yeah, it reminded me the same exact thing or he'd get screwed off by there He gets fucked up fucked over by the by the awarded up prison guards, whatever um Great movie. Yeah, really good. But this week we're all here for one thing and that is to review a new movie but to review the older movie first, so we're gonna review and talk about
00:24:31
Speaker
Joker.
Joker: Analyzing Themes & Influences
00:24:33
Speaker
this movie came out in twenty nineteen right before the pandemic um we talk about it all the time this movie is a love child of taxi driver king of comedy scorsese classic movies came out in in seventy six and eighty three um things of note Um, this movie has a weird setting. Number one, directed by Todd Phillips, who is known for, at this point, comedies mostly. He did all the hangover movies. Like, frat boy comedies. Frat boy comedies, yeah. He did, um, that movie with, uh, fucking Robert Downey Jr., too, didn't he? With the guy from, uh... Dude Date? Dude Date? Yeah. Dude Date, he did Dude Date, yeah.
00:25:13
Speaker
They have great movies, all funny movies, um but this is just kind of one of his first detours into dramas. um Brought in Joaquin Phoenix to play the Joker. This role had been fan cast, not by him, but from a whole bunch of other actors before they landed on Joaquin. And the setting is in a weird 70s, 80s type Gotham.
00:25:36
Speaker
Um, very strange for this movie setting, um, considering we're so used to, we're so used to like the Burton movies, the, we're so used to, the The Nolan movies <unk> were used to now Snyder movies. So Batman is more in a futuristic, grizzled world. This world of Gotham is so dark, so 70s, so 80s. A lot like um Dark Knight Returns, the comic book series. You kind of get that feeling a little bit like what he was maybe mimicking a little.
00:26:06
Speaker
um Other parts of the cast, Zazie Beats, who was in Deadpool 2, she played Domino. She kind of plays Arthur's neighbor, who Arthur thinks he's in love with. We'll find out more about that later. mom You also find out that Arthur may be the love illegitimate love child of Thomas Wayne um after a cover-up.
00:26:28
Speaker
The thing about this movie and the thing about this Joker character is you're not sure what is true and what is real because Arthur is full of delusions. I'm including thinking that he's in love with his neighbor who's played by Zazie Beets and come to find out by the end of the movie that was all a delusion. He's sitting in her apartment waiting for her to come home and she's like, what are you doing here? My son is sleeping or my daughter is sleeping. in I can't remember who it is. Is sleeping in the other room you need to get out of here right now.
00:26:55
Speaker
But the the reason why this movie is good for the last 20 minutes the final 20 minutes is so I've always said I don't not a big huge fan of this movie except for the last 20 minutes is what they did to the character of the Joker I thought they did a great job um sticking it to the establishment um kind of creates Arthur's Arthur's cult following as the Joker, his whole other persona that he's created. um When he goes on, Murray Franklin, who is played by Robert De Niro, and has a whole speech, because mury Murray Franklin is kind of like a David Letterman, Johnny Carson-like character.
00:27:32
Speaker
who finds this tape of Arthur doing comedy in ah in a stand up room, and he's doing horrible. So he's making fun of him on live TV, and he's been a Murray Franklin fan in his whole entire life, but this all turns to to shit when Arthur sees him on tv TV making fun of him. So he becomes this Joker persona, gets booked on the show, and goes on there.
00:27:54
Speaker
And taking out revenge shoots Arthur, Robert De Niro's character, right in the head. Right on live television. And it's a great scene. The way the whole the whole dialogue before the scene is great. That's why I said the last 20 minutes of this is worth the while for me.
00:28:12
Speaker
um so I like that and then you get into the ending in the hospital and you're kind of like wait what was the delusion you're so you're so fucked this whole movie fucks with your brain so much as you're not sure what he's actually seeing what happened on the stage with merley franklin what happened before and after um he kills a couple of people he kills people in a subway train you're not sure how that really interacts um So the ending when he's in Arkham Asylum is is also twisted too because the very last scene you see is of him walking down the hallway with blood-stained footprints. Is that real? Doesn't Arthur's brain, is he is he is he imagining it or did he really did it really happen? and We're not sure. um For the last 20 minutes alone, this movie is a 3.5 out of 5 for me. um The rest of it is very, very weird and wacky. Wacky does a great job playing the Joker.
00:29:03
Speaker
And I see, and I understand why they wanted, WB wanted them to do a sequel. And that brings us to this year's Joker Folia due on paper, okay? With Arthur's delusions that were developed in the first movie, you kind of figure, well, shit.
00:29:22
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He's delusional. I could see him dancing around Gotham, doing musical numbers, um bring in Lady Gaga to play a new, different version of Harley Quinn to kind of have the coming off of, of course, the stars born a decade ago, ah bringing in, bringing her in as a great singer, along with him, who did a great job and walked the line 20 years ago.
00:29:43
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Um, on paper, it looks great. Did not get executed as well as I don't think anybody hoped. Um, and it was, it was, it was a travesty to this movie. And I think, uh, looking back on it years from now, people are going to say this shit movie should never have been made. I think the first one should have stood where it was as a, as a centerpiece to this character. Um, and it showcased all the issues and flaws with Todd Phillips vision of the character in general.
00:30:10
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And this movie is definitely the anti-comic book movie for sure. hundred um Todd Phillips, number one, I've talked about it before, I'm gonna mention it here again, cannot execute sequels. Hangover 1 classic movie. Do you remember Hangover 2 and 3?
00:30:30
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No. I enjoyed the third, but the second one's trash. They're forgettable. And they're trash. They're very, very weak. The third one I remember a little bit. They kind of go back to the first one a little bit with some stuff that happens. But the first one is just such a classic in the moment of time movie for comedy. It was great.
00:30:50
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um The intro animation, 1960s Warner Brothers cartoon homage. I thought that was great because you get that you get that delusion from from him that you're wondering, okay, now he's delusional. He's thinking he's in an animated world and he's in he's in prison. this This continuous picks up right where the first Joker left off. He's in Arkham this time. um They actually name Arkham.
00:31:12
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And he's he's surrounded by prison guards, one of them being played by Brendan Gleason, who has met I Moody and Harry Potter. He was in yeah the Sharon, the the the one with Colin Farrell, the Sharon movie that came out last year. yep I can't remember the name of it was Catherine Keener.
00:31:31
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who was in Step Brothers. She played the mother. um She's Arthur's lawyer. steve Steve Coogan is in this. He's a British um comedian.
00:31:42
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Zazie Beats comes back. ah Harry Lottie is a new actor. Don't know who the guy is, but he's playing a very famous Batman character, Harvey Dent. um And I'm gonna get into that in a minute. And we have Connor Story as a random background inmate We're gonna get into that in a minute because he has a huge part in the last two minutes of this movie that no one expected. um But Arthur has, his his delusions have taken form in prison now. um And now taking form in mediocre musical montages. The exact word quote that I gave it because they were very mediocre.
00:32:22
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I don't think Joaquin wanted to do this movie and i in fact I think this seemed to remember to say that he that he said at one point that this movie did not need to be made and I think he's right. They kind of phoned it in and and i don't I don't think it was Lady Gaga's fault because she wasn't in this movie that much compared to how I thought she was going to be and her story wasn't really fleshed out as much as I thought it would be either.
00:32:44
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um but But the music was just mediocre at best. um The songs were not picked well. I know there's a couple of original Lady Gaga ones that she wrote for the movie in this, but I couldn't pick them out out of a lineup. um But the movie is basically set in Arkham and it's also set in a courtroom. Arthur is going through trial for all the shit that happened in the first movie. um And Arthur, everybody outside the world saw what Arthur did on Arthur on Murray's show.
00:33:15
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I can't remember his name, Murray. I don't remember what it was, Murray's show. And and when he killed him, and they all have are worshiping him, his Joker character. And they're all dressed up like the Joker outside the courthouse. They're all kind of being anarchic in antarctic in ant and i mean yeah anarchy outside the courthouse. um So when the trial happens, he's he's getting tried. he gets He gets found guilty for all the crimes.
00:33:43
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And Arthur is assisted in an escape by a bomb going off the courthouse, so he escapes. He goes and meets up with Harley Quinn at the end. She loses interest to him because he denounced the Joker character. She was in love with the Joker character, not Arthur. That was a bit twist at the end of the movie. And Arthur ends up getting arrested again going to jail.
00:34:05
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And then we get to the jail. At this point, I was kind of out of the movie, but I already knew it. I already knew I wanted to watch the last five minutes because I was spoiled about it. We mentioned it a few weeks ago, but all of a sudden, a character that we had not seen in this movie once, he was kind of a background. If you go back and watch, he was in the background watching Arthur throughout the whole entire thing, standing off to the side, not talking. Didn't have any lines until the end of the movie um comes up to Arthur.
00:34:32
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and says the same exact line he says to Murray as he stabs him multiple times and kills Arthur in the jail. As he's doing this, as Arthur's dying on the floor, you see him taking a knife and and chopping his chopping his face like Heath Ledger's Joker. ah the I can't remember what they call it, but it's some sort of a smile with a knife, and so they have a fake smile. um And Arthur dies on the floor, and this guy's laughing and maniacally laughing in the background.
00:35:02
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Which makes you think this is who the real Joker is born out of Arthur's life, his death. right um Again, the last five minutes of this movie is just as great as the last twenty minutes of the first movie, but that's about it for me for this movie. um If the first movie was a three out of five, this is a two and a half, maybe even a two out of five. I'm gonna stick with the two and a half, that's the first one I said. but Yeah, not good not rewatchable. Um, and it's just sucks because So much is going on in in w in wbdc I know james gunne is trying to promote these movies because He's he's a big brass man. He wants to protect he wants to protect the the warner brothers and especially dc now Um, they're not part of his universe, of course, but he still wants to promote him Um, so he's been he was promoting it heavily which i'm not surprised
00:35:55
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Um, but they're just not good movies and I and I can't wait to see His his universe see what he does for I don't know if we're gonna see a joker I don't know if he'll do that or not. Um, I know i don't think joker will be Obviously we're gonna get a joker at some point, but it's not gonna be a video i'm like Barry kugin is in matt reeves We're probably gonna see that we're gonna we got some news articles about that. We'll talk about that in a little bit but overall it's just and even de david zasov he came out yesterday I believe he was on a on a call with the whole Warner Brothers brass, and he said that ah there's inconsistency as an issue in our motion picture studio reinforced basically by the disappointing returns of Joker 2. Not only money-wise, but just the reviews for this movie were the worst of WBC in a very very long time.
00:36:46
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um and Yeah, I'm not surprised that there's a big there's a big round up over there. James Gunn taking over everything and wanting kind of a conheive story going forward. So um with that being said, let's get into two more things before we get into news. First thing is a movie you recommended to me last week called you Starling. You did not know anything about this movie went in blind, which i is a good thing to do.
00:37:11
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um Yeah, very good movie um Reminds me of the old thriller movies also reminds me a lot of the whole fiction because the movie is not a straight narrative um It's no split throughout whole entire like six parts split each part reveals more parts of the story from before and then after the back and forth i think it starts off at like part love this movie i think it starts off at like or something three or four yeah and then it ends it's part six of course but you find out little by little as you're going around the story narrative gets told but yeah it's a great movie um characters look familiar um don't know any names i don't know anybody in this i've seen him somewhere the kid from shameless right was was he shameless no i i don't know who that kid is it's um
00:38:01
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he was ah shit galler gallener he was ah Yes. That's what it is. Yep, that's what it is. Okay.
00:38:17
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and he wass the only person promoting this entire movie like it was just like out there It's great.
00:38:25
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um so here's why i knew about it
00:38:30
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It's it's there's the girls I'm blanking on her name, but yeah overalls got a bunch of twists and turns um Yeah, and it's only like an hour and a half. I think doesn't go over that 90 minute mark much oh Yeah, great a great little hour and a half movies. Well, it's in my top five on the year ah Probably top three so um Yeah, I love this movie. Yeah, very good four and a half four four out of five for me um very good um And finally, this week, before we get into the news, documentary we've been waiting for, knew it was going to be good. and Music of John Williams, this is on Disney+. We did a whole career retrospective, and I think I'm going to splice it into the end of the episode after after we record today. I'm going to put it in. We'll release it again. But we did a good retrospective for him last year or the year before, taking all of the songs that he's done. We talked we talked thoroughly about everything.
00:39:27
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This tackled all of that from the very beginning of time of working for Hollywood um Working kind of as a sound musician for different movies all the way back to the 50s and then getting his big break on Fiddle on the roof where he won his Oscar and then going for forward from there meeting up with Spielberg meeting up with Lucas um and the rest is history Star Wars Indiana Jones Superman ET hook and The list goes on and on, Schindler's List. it's It's amazing the amount of music that he's made, what he's done for movies to actually bring it into the movies compared to, I don't think any other musician, any other composer that does movies is like him or will be like him. He reminds me a lot of a mozart of Mozart of our time.
00:40:15
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where we see a music musical genius. Of course, movies were around back then, but you see him in in a different element now, and just the way his music makes you feel, the movie. Like Spielberg said, he didn't when he when he had the movie, he felt a different way.
00:40:33
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When he gave the movie to John to do the music and it came back to him, the movie changed completely and almost into John's mission of what he thought the movie and Spielberg was blown away. and That's why he's worked with him for 40, 50 years now, however long it's been. But um great documentary. It's on Disney Plus now. If you if if you're if you're into the the Star Wars fan yeah shit like we are, you're going to love this if you're into all that, all that stuff.
00:41:00
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I think the craziest thing about this documentary and it's kind of like when I found out that Stan Lee didn't create Spiderman until he was 40 is John Williams didn't meet Spielberg until he was 41 years old. So yeah, like that was like only the second half of his career. Basically he was with Spielberg. Like that's insane to me because that's like all those two. I just, I always just think about like side by side whenever I think of Spielberg, I think of John Williams music. It's crazy. They didn't even meet till he was, I think Spielberg was like 26 and he was like whatever 41 40. It's kind of crazy.
00:41:31
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Yep. And, uh, the other part of the story that not a lot of people probably knew about was his wife. We had his first three kids with died all of a sudden on brain aneurysm, I believe in the early seventies, way before he became famous. Um, I think right during the time of when fiddle on the roof came out, right. When he was running, winning his Oscar right around that time, she, when she passed and note, um and he took care of his daughters or his kids, I think it had all daughters.
00:41:57
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No, and he had sons too. Um, he took care of his kids after that, um, all by himself. And I think he met another wife. yeah I'm not sure when when they met, but yeah, great story, great career, 90 something years old. Um, and I'm going to splice that, uh, the big retrospective we did last year on, uh, at the end of this episode, because I think if you haven't heard it, you should.
00:42:18
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Because he's a he's a fantastic part of movie history for sure part of our childhood part of pop culture geek culture um next week big review even bigger than that movie that we've been looking forward to and
00:42:35
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Of course, I don't have the picture here, but Superman the documentary this week. yeah We will talk about that in full next week. We're going to watch it tonight. yeah And that being said, I just rewatched ah Superman one and two. So for that's why it was one of the reasons why I was putting it off. I want to watch those again before I watch the documentary. So yeah, I can't wait for it. I've been sitting on it since I bought it Tuesday. So I cannot wait to watch it when you're off tonight.
00:42:59
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Yep. Yeah, we're definitely gonna watch that. So that being said, let's get into the news.
00:43:10
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And it's not news. I'm on the trail around it. Got a good decent trailer this week from a movie coming out just in a couple of weeks starring Jack Black called Dear Santa all about a guy who is our kid who writes to who we think is going to be Santa.
00:43:30
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writes, you know, you're writing the Santa Claus for your wish for Christmas, but he ends up spelling Santa wrong and puts Satan on the envelope. And of course, Jack Black being Satan comes up from hell and torments this kid saying that he has three wishes, and once his wishes are done, he's going to take his soul. This looks funny. um I believe it's done by the Fairly Brothers, so who already have a pedigree of great comedy movies. This is coming out November 25th, just in a few weeks, couple weeks from this from today, I believe. um Gonna be on Paramount Plus, so we don't even have to buy this movie. We have Paramount Plus, we can watch it.
00:44:06
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um And I cannot see I cannot wait to see how this plays out Keegan Michael keys in this um And Jack Black is just funny as hell and I love the Fairleigh brothers. So I'm very excited to see how this plays out Um weekend box office last week venom won the box office 26 million while robot 7 million and smile to 6.8 million kind of a second week box office for venom let there be carnage or the last dance whenever it's called um and it made three hundred million hit the three hundred million dollar mark in the second weekend um yeah not surprised
00:44:46
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um Internationally, the movie is doing a lot better than it is over here. um it's it's just a Everybody wants to be involved in the Spider-Man universe um and watching a movie like that in the theater. so I can't wait to see it, but I just know it's going to be bad. Sony. But I still want to see it. I love i love Tom Hardy.
00:45:05
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um Juror number two opened to five million dollars says Clint Eastwood's movie There was another big movie that came out last weekend I wanted to bring up, but I don't think I put it on the list It was a big movie that failed. Oh here the Roberson Meckis. Yes, Tom Hanks movie Yeah, it made like less than even less than that. It was like numbers eight eight last weekend um but Review is not that good for it either um and i was hope I had high hopes for it but well I definitely want to see it. I like Robert Zemeckis, I like Tom Hanks. um Weird that it's set in one room throughout the history of time but we'll have to wait and see how that turns out. but
00:45:41
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um agatha all along The second to last episode earned 4.6 million views on the first day of streaming. the the That was the first episode of that night that came out. I believe it dipped about almost a million viewers by by the episode nine. and um Maybe people didn't know that there was another episode part of it, but yeah, i did a great job for Disney+. plus I really did enjoy the series.
00:46:07
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um And it's been submitted for comedy series at the work season. So we Considering usually it's limited series then it could mean that there's gonna be another part of this another sequel series another another season But yeah with the way you see Speaking of doing great penguin airing on max had 1.9 million US viewers back in the day that would have been horrible you would have been cancelled but now um That's considered success a huge success actually um and the first episode has reached 16 million viewers total with streaming and and and and being on cable, so The move that this show is doing great. Everybody loves it Viewers and critics alike love this show. I love it. You love it. So cannot wait for the finale um Rest in peace to a music icon
00:47:01
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quincy jones did everything I thought he was already gone. yeah I couldn't believe you were so large.
00:47:09
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um mostly known for working with michael jackson did the whole entire thriller album did off the wall did bad had a falling out with michael we talked about the documentary that came out um 70 year career started way back with Sinatra Worked all the way with Michael Jackson. He worked up with some hip-hop artists later on in the 90s 80 and 90s 2000s. He's always working um Composing music he did this he did the big thing that he did that I loved Was in in Austin Powers 3 goldmember he has a cameo in the beginning of the movie because he does the song that's the theme song to Austin Powers and
00:47:47
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He produced that Boston Nova song way way back in the 60s and Mike Myers brought into the series back in 97 when he did the first Austin Powers movies and Quincy Jones had a cameo in the third movie composing that song in front of a cool orchestra, which I thought is really cool. um So rest in peace to Quincy Jones. Rest in peace to Greg Hildebrand. You probably don't know him unless you're a comic book fan and you know artists, but he was a huge Comic book artists especially in the 90s. That's where I remember him from I Did not know that he created the Star Wars original Star Wars poster um Which I do have a picture of it's right there on the left all of those pictures All those pictures on the right are from the Marvel masterpiece card set which I had a collection I still have a collection of those I
00:48:39
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um Except for the one on the on the bottom right that Superman but all of those other ones are from The which I for some reason I collected the cards more than I did the comics especially in the mid 90s I had comics, but I love the cards the Marvel Metal Marvel masterpiece. I love them all um And he did he was a great artist a lot of them are iconic scenes from comic books and characters that I love so rest in peace to him and Um, his brother and him created a lot of these characters, a lot of these posters, art. He did a lot of stuff for, um, for Tolkien too. He did a lot of Hobbit stuff before, before they did the movie. So that was really cool. Also rest in peace to Edward or Elwood Edwards. Don't know the name. However, everyone knows the voice. Welcome. You've got mail. You've got pictures files done. Goodbye. 74 years old, the voice of AOL.
00:49:34
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nostalgia for us because we grew up in the AOL generation where it was life it was the internet for us the dial-up everything we hear that voice every single time we signed into AOL so rest in peace to him um Max Getting into the rest of the news max is about to tell password shares that they have to pay more Following in line to Disney and Netflix and everybody else is doing it and and that max is doing it as well. I get max for free um However, anybody who uses my password will not be so Yeah, it's just the way it is after covet everything everybody seems like they need more money more money more money um The the streaming Renaissance is done
00:50:18
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And we'll see where that is in another five years from now. um Sony has patented a PlayStation controller with a dedicated rewind button so you can replay what you've played on screen. You can go back and look at it through screenshots. I believe in video shots too. I'm not sure when this is coming out. Probably next PlayStation, I'm not sure, but you'll have to wait and see on that.
00:50:41
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um Speaking of Back to the Future, he keeps saying that the studio requests to make more, and he's always, bought him and Bob Gale have always said they are not doing a sequel. sorry yeah But the one thing that he's interested in doing with Back to the Future is to adapt the musical.
00:51:03
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that just is leaving Broadway I believe next month um they're yeah they're leaving Broadway but he wants to adapt the musical first screen which doesn't make sense why are you going back to the well just make a new store I've always said back to the future is the one property one IP that has plenty of stories to tell because you have time you have all of history you have Of course, you probably couldn't bring back Michael J. Fox, maybe as a little short cameo, Christopher Lloyd's getting up there in age, probably couldn't come back to what he used to be for Doc, but I'd be interested in it. but They're just dead set against it, they don't and Universal is pushing them every single year to do it, and they're always against it, and they won't do it until they die. so
00:51:49
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um Yeah, we'll have to wait and see but he's only interested in a musical very very weird um New movie but Bob Odenkirk action movie normal um Producing team behind nobody um Henry Winkler Lena Headley have joined the cast with Bob Odenkirk i Don't believe this is the follow-up to nobody too. I think nobody too is is the sequel. Yeah whole other yeah story normal Don't even know what it's about. But yeah um Alien Romulus were very high on it a couple weeks ago coming out on Hulu on November 21st I just want to let everybody know that if you have not seen it to keep an eye on it because it's very very good Yes, go see it. Go see it. Definitely. Um
00:52:35
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the fly what are your thoughts on the fly i've never seen it fucking love the fly that was that was a backup for uh when we're doing the monster movies next year we should watch that um okay even though it's not a classic monster movie but um it was on the back burner for this year because i absolutely love that movie um jeff goldblum you can see why he was uh the runner up for um for christopher lloyd's character in back of the future doc brown he's very very doc brown in this movie um i love it it's a great movie Yeah, well there's gonna be a sequel in the works or the universe TV show not sure what it is um I saw that this week and wanted to bring it up on the podcast um So yeah, um, we also get the first look for the final season of stranger things coming we on 2025 I got some new pictures from that ah right here
00:53:23
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Not much other than that, no trailer yet. Except for a little trailer that released the titles of all the episodes. um Eight episodes in total. um The crawl, the vanishing of blah blah blah. there They kept that redacted. The turn bow trapped, sorcerer, shock jock, escape from cap commato comatose. The bridge in the last episode of Stranger Things is going to be called the right side up instead of the upside down.
00:53:49
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So yeah, very excited for that show. I loved the last season. I loved what they did with Eddie and the the guitar player who's Joseph Quinn, of course, everything now. But other interesting weird news this week, um um a game I have not played, I have it. I want to play it. I had to pack it away last year. I got to go up in my in my storage and grab it. But Hogwarts Legacy.
00:54:14
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I heard it was great, um and I heard they did a great job with depicting, I think it said 100 years before Harry Potter, but part 2 is in development right now ah for consoles, probably for next gen, and it will tie in directly to the Harry Potter TV series that's happening.
00:54:31
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Um, I don't know how that's going to happen. They've been teasing it. Um, Warner brothers has talked a lot about this week about how the video game, the video game part of Warner brothers has been disastrous. Um, the big thing was the DC game, a suicide squad, right? Big failure for them. And that was a big money, money loss for them. So going forward, they're going to be.
00:54:55
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more strict with it with the IP coming out of the video games focusing on Harry Potter another one I saw was focusing on Batman which the Arkham games were huge gangbusters for them of course and they're thinking rumors are that there's gonna be another Arkham game saw that this week too but Harry Potter legacy tying in that's kind of interesting I don't think we've really had any video games tie into a movie like that that'd be kind of interesting to see if that happens um speaking of weird IP ideas Snoop Dogg said he's working on a movie inspired for his by his love for the Planet of the Apes, but with a twist. Just imagine it was dogs instead of apes. Quote. You do that, Snoop Dogg. You make a you'd like Planet of the Dogs. I guess that's what it's going to be called. But yeah. um michael pixton Michael Jackson, Michael Jackson, biopic supposed to come out in March, I believe, has been set back or April set back to October 3rd of next year.
00:55:52
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Um, and we'll talk about what's taking its place. Mickey 17th was supposed to come out January 31st and that is taking its April place in April. Um, that was Robert Pattinson's sci-fi movie. Um,
00:56:04
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And the reason for that is they wanted to be out on IMAX, so they pushed it to pushed it to April instead. Oh, good. I don't want to see it. Phil Dunster has been cast alongside Steve Carell in an HBO comedy series by Bill Lawrence of Ted Lasso fame. The series is going to follow an offer's complicated relationship with his daughter. ah Phil Dunster, who played Jamie Tart in Ted Lasso. He's great in that. So, yeah, be interested to play off each other. umlthough Speaking of casting,
00:56:33
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Team Wolf star Tyler Posey and Terrifier 2 Breakout, you must know who she is. Kaylee Hyman have been cast in the new movie, Screamboat, which is a Steamboat Willie movie. um I believe this is the one, they're making a whole bunch of Steamboat Willie movies. This is the one with the guy who plays Terrifier, Art the Clown. like There's a whole bunch, of there's one with him that's gonna play Steamboat Willie and that's the one that they've been cast in, so.
00:56:58
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Um, speaking of casting, Macaulay Culkin, who have always said he should be cast more as an adult, has been cast in Fallout Season 2, which was a great show, uh, Season 1, so I cannot wait for that, see who he's playing to be a recurring character on that. Um, speaking of casting, lots of casting news this week.
00:57:16
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uh... m&m reportedly flew to new jersey during the shoot of happy gilmore to reportedly did a cameo in a sailor's movie uh... do you think he's going to do a scene like uh... bob barker did i'd love to see the company could be i would back you know it back and i watch the scene with him and uh... and a sailor funny people that's so fucking funny uh... that was right after and i've got off the drugs so you can kind of tell is all puffed in the face but very funny uh...
00:57:44
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And he hasn't done too much acting after Eight Mile, which was a great acting for a first time, first time at it. So um more casting news. big casting news Zendaya and Anne Hathaway joining Christopher Nolan's new movie with Tom Holland and Matt Damon yeah coming out two weeks before Spider-Man so we're gonna have a Zendaya and Tom Holland movie in the beginning of July and we're gonna have a Zendaya and Tom Holland movie Spider-Man movie at the end of July of 2026 so um yeah this Nolan movie is starting to shape up a nice cast so well we'll have to find out more about that later. um and Other casting news from years ago
00:58:22
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Before Keanu Reeves was John Wick, co-director David Leech recalls reading the script when Bruce Willis was attached. Bruce Willis was ah was originally attached to play John Wick and did not know that. Would have been a whole other different movie for sure. Yeah, ah back in the day, Bruce Willis back. That was right around the time of of when Kevin Smith was talking shit about it too, so I've been interested.
00:58:47
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um another series announced another Another video game series announced this week coming out on Amazon from the Fast and Furious 9 writer. Mass Effect, are you have you played the Mass Effect games? I hear they're great. I have not. Yeah, I hear they're really, really good. I've never played them. Yeah, yeah there's there's three of them, I believe. I'll be there again, maybe making a new TV series on Amazon following Mass Effect, so that'd be interesting. um Ryan Reynolds is currently writing a non-Marvel project reuniting with Hugh Jackman and director Sean Levy um after they had so much success with Deadpool and Wolverine. so
00:59:23
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not surprised he did he's done a bunch of movies with shawn leavy before this he did fall guy needed the uh... the adam project i believe it was called last year you before so yeah coming back for another another run another run at the mill so uh... analysis we know we have a lot to talk about this a lot to talk yeah about this um... cathleen kennedy we don't know what your fucking issue is but
00:59:50
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Simon Kinberg, who is mostly known for writing a lot of the X-Men movies, and some of them good, some of them bad, um has been signed on to do a brand new Star Wars trilogy for Lucasfilm in Disney.
01:00:07
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First of all, bad decision because the guy is such a 30-70, 30% good, 70% failure rate of writing, producing, and producing not so much. He did do the Deadpool movies. um he had He had a few successes there, but the writing part of it, he had a lot of clunkers.
01:00:24
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But he's gonna be in charge of this whole entire writing and produc producing. um I believe he co-created Rebels too, which he's, everybody's high on that. He co-created, here's why I'm a little bit more positive than I was when I first heard it, is he co-created and wrote 74 of the 77 episodes of Rebels. um And I fucking love Rebels. And this guy is a Star Wars nerd, like he's a nerd. But his writing has never been great outside of Rebels that I can think of. Did he write Days of Future Past or just produce it? He wrote it. Yes, he wrote it. That's the one thing that he wrote. He's the one thing that he wrote that I absolutely loved. okay um Other than that, and they're all kind of a mixed match of good. And of course he did Dark Phoenix, which is horrible. So he's got a lot of clunkers there too.
01:01:16
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um and the rumors that the trilogy could be whole other new universe whole other new thing or could it be a continuation of 10 11 and 12 right it could be long what the ray move is now shifting into is what they're speculating but nobody really knows for sure yet but also expect that uh by let's see this is
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By around May 20th, expect to see him leave the project. Expect this to be cancelled next year. Whatever happened to Patty Jenkins' Rogue Squadron movie? Patty Jenkins, Kevin Feige, Taika Waititi, obviously Ryan Johnson was the first, like they just, they can't... to They can't keep their creatives around. they're trying to do them They're trying to do the marble thing but doing it and in weird kennedy Kathleen Kennedy fashion and they're all being cancelled before they even go into production. so um yeah want to wait and see on that um I have a new jingle because we've been talking a lot about um swag stuff. Stuff that we talk we get on our shelves. New items. So here's a new jingle.
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Swag stuff we all get. come on you know that's right Swag stuff we all get. I want to talk about this. They have a new figure coming out with comic books inspired by them.
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um Called the paid pun page punch page puncher seven inch scale figures um including reprints of some of the most iconic comic books that they're based off of um This figure here is based off of Christopher Reeves Superman 78 comic book run that's current um yeah It looks really cool. I like the shadows that they put in that remind me a lot of those um those mondo figures the spider-man figures I The venom figure I did a a couple weeks ago looks really cool um this one here is Arkham coming up with a Lego set looks really really cool 399 99 coming up this summer include she christ like ah includes 10 DC based minifigures a lot of them villains um and um you get Arkham you get inside Arkham with the with the prison cell
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You got Harley, you got Harley Quinn before she's Harley Quinn, you got Joker in an ambulance with a straight jacket, looks really cool. But again, the these are priced up more than fucking gold at this point, so. Yeah. yeah to You have to have a good job for that. This figure right here, Kevin.
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This should be your holy girl holy grail item on your shelf. The Dark Knight Returns hot toy figure. um It looks fantastic. Of course, this is the comic book that the the Batman vs Superman ben affleck Batman was was based off of. Big bulky old grizzled Batman. It looks fantastic. I love the gray and black. I wonder if ah wonder if James Gunn's gonna go with the blue and blue and blue and black.
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or the or the gray and black. I wonder what he's going to do with his Batman. Yeah. That made me think of that too. but I don't know how the blue and gray would work in yeah live action. Like I'm sure it'd be fine. and I'm sure it'll test everything they can and decide that way. um But yeah, this is pretty cool looking.
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um um maybe i didn't Have a picture I didn't have a picture new casting villain for For lanterns. I love this guy you love him for different reasons. I love him from the show I'm raising hope he's fucking hilarious all three or four seasons yeah that show You love him from looper you love him from Sarah's the With Jesse Pinkman um yeah he's
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he's a great actor Yeah, Garrett Dillahun. He's awesome. We both wanted him for Negan remember when he was trying to get the Negan role and we were both like. Yeah, we definitely did. But then Jeffrey D. Morton, God Jeffrey D. Morton is fucking amazing. But yeah, I love Garrett Dillahun. Yeah, me too. He's funny as hell. He's just a great actor. Big rumors of who he's playing could be playing the Black Hand. He's obsessed with death. He's kind of like a cosmic divining rod, allows him to absorb the energy of lantern power rings.
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would also allow them to locate them. um He's slowly driven crazy. um the The cosmic dividing rod kills him. And the Black Lantern ring then rean reanimates him, turning him into a symbol and herald of death. So not sure, big rumors of that's who he could be. um The Black Hand, but we'll have to wait and see. um From everything, from what I'm hearing, it's all like really set in like the Midwest cowboy.
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That's kind of what the aesthetic would be. Yeah, that's what it sounds like. Yep. Yeah. This is the news we kind of mentioned a lot. You should watch the first season of True Detective at some point, because shows fantastic. That's what I hear. and That's what I hear. It's one of the best single seasons of TV I've ever watched in my life. It's incredible.
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Okay, yeah, I definitely have to watch it then. um this is the This is the news we were hinting to earlier, the Batman. um Rumor to be doing a Joker spin-off. And this is off of ah Matt Reed's Joker, of course, played by gar Barry Coogan.
01:06:38
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kagan um don't know more about that other than the rumor being set between part two and part three so in other words the penguin set between part one and part two the joker will be set between part one and part three or part two and the other bit of news for this is that that would set up the joker being the big bad and the third one which would probably be the way to go I wouldn't happen to be the big bad in the second one. I would use it very sparingly, maybe like they did in the deleted scene. But um work on that fucking makeup, bro. I think Barry can absolutely kill it as the Joker, but I did not like the direction they went with um in the deleted scene. I didn't either. Yeah, I didn't either.
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Elizabeth Olsen, I've seen this rumor around it, I just want to bring it up. Elizabeth Olsen, rumored to be returning as Scarlet Witch. She's not going to be playing a variant of the character, she's going to be playing the character from the 616 that was killed in Dark and Strange Multiverse of Madness. Based off the comic book run right after House of M.
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where the reality was all fucked. That was, of course, based off of WandaVision. Right after House of M, Wanda goes into another universe and teams up, kind of becomes a love interest to Dr. Doom. And that's the rumor of what's going to happen in Doomsday. Not sure what's going to happen. Not sure um if that's the case. And that means that WandaMaxima is going to play a huge part in that. So that would make sense if we're talking multiversal fuckery.
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um Bringing in the X-Men that would make sense too. So yeah, we'll have to wait and see on that. That's a big rumor right now um Ryan Reynolds came out this week Article on EW Entertainment Weekly talking about how Marvel is obsessed with Channing Tatum's role as Gambit in his movie saying it's kind of like the same situation situation I went through once you show that it works well, they really That's really what they need. Sometimes they just need to see it in action Um, yeah, that's exactly what happened with Deadpool. Once they saw it on screen, they're like, yeah, this fucking works. And that's exactly what happened with, uh, I mean, it was the best part of Deadpool over Wolverine for me was seeing Gambit. Um, the way that he's portrayed, it was everything right out of the nineties cartoon come to life with, uh, Channing Tatum. So yeah, it's interesting to see what Marvel does.
01:08:51
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this is why i wish marvel would do elseworl storie because you can't have the classic gambit at forty whatever years old you have all the young x-men running around um but i wouldn't be surprised if they used him in like the secret wars and stuff like if yeah use hugh jackman also ah and then just do I assume they're gonna do like a soft reboot after that movie of where they can then introduce the actual X-Men. I mean, you can't have him in an 18-year-old, 20-year-old road being romantically connected, you know? Same with our Wolverine. um It would be cool to see him again on screen because he was good, but he was also used sparingly. Like, I don't know if I could watch, sit through a two-hour movie with him talking like that, even though it's incredibly accurate to how he would talk. i think
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When they do eventually cast Gambit in and the MCU, it'll be toned down a little bit. But I'd love to see it. It'll be X-Men, so he'll share the screen with everybody else too. It won't be central. If they make a solo movie of him, you're right. I could not go two hours watching a game. But in X-Men, having having mixed mixed dialogue with everybody else in the cast, I could see happening. um yeah i wonder the What do I see on that?
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I'm currently happening in Brazil right now. We got d23 Not a lot of stuff coming coming out today. There's a panel today ah this afternoon, but it's gonna be Well first of all I have a couple of things They have some standees in the in the lobby ah Fantastic Four Thunderbolts Captain America Brave New World um They also have I'm not sure if this is there or not, I saw it online, but this is the rumored popcorn bucket for Captain America Brave New World. um I'm not sure what where the popcorn goes, I guess behind us had no idea. There's probably isn a thing in the back, yeah. Probably pulls out like the Terrifier one.
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When you first walk in, you see this big, giant, life-sized version of Cyclops for X-Men 97. I thought that looked cool. You also see standees for Tron Aries, mo mustat Mufasa, and you see a new picture of Andor season 2.
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um And today, during the panel for today, it was all Disney. And they showed a new trailer from Mufasa. um Looks like it's a prequel to not only Mufasa, but they're going to have a lot of the characters from the first movie, which I've never, I haven't seen the first movie. I've only seen the cartoon from the 90s, but... I mean, then you've seen the first movie because it's literally just everything one on one adaptation. That's everything I heard. what news song But the trailer looked decent, telling the story of how he found how he finds Pride Rock.
01:11:31
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Howie finds his wife and pretty much Howie becomes king. so um And news new new visual of stitch for the leo and stitch movie be coming out next summer And we got the new Tron. I guess I didn't put that there. We got a new Tron But tomorrow we've got Kevin Feige coming in. He has been spotted in Brazil Saturday at 4 30 We're gonna talk about it next week But Lucasfilm and Marvel are gonna have a pinable a panel tomorrow afternoon talking about some new stuff coming up so I saw Fantastic forehat
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Yeah, I saw a tweet about the hat and somebody was like, whoever gets me Kevin Feige's Fantastic Four hat, I'll put a million dollars in the Venmo account, whatever. And somebody just replied with, bro, it's a blue hat with a four on it. I think you can get that one custom made.
01:12:19
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oh man But that's it for news this week and we'll talk all about that next week We'll talk about all about the finale of the penguin very excited for that on Sunday Streaking episode 6 we'll continue watching that for you Cobra Kai comes out next week on the 15th part 2. Yep um Red 1 comes out in theaters either today or next week I can't remember getting horrible reviews with the Rock and Yeah, I'm gonna wait till that's streaming before Christmas dream in time. Streaming on Netflix, I believe. so yeah yeah um Big movie next week. because um we are gonna I think we're gonna try to see Gladiator 2 in theaters. I think it's gonna be a theater movie. A movie I have not seen in over 20 years. Gladiator 1.
01:13:04
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with Russell Crowe. We're going to watch that. We're going to watch that next week and talk about it. Basketball movie that you recommended this month, um, Celtic pride, um, comedy. Uh, I believe I've seen, if I've seen it, it was back. but now You might have saw a long time ago, so you don't remember much. Okay. I don't remember much how I feel about this one. Um, just like I wanted to see how I felt about that game, which actually watching it as a more mature person, I got a way better,
01:13:31
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retrospective always going on in that movie, and this movie should be interesting to say the least. Interesting. Interesting, yep. Daniel Stern, correct? What else is in there? Daniel Stern and somebody else. Daniel Stern. Is Dan Aykroyd in it? I think it's Daniel Stern, Dan Aykroyd. Yes, that's it. And Damon Waynes. Damon Waynes. Yeah, it's got a bunch of Celtics from the 90s in it, so I'm really looking forward to this one.
01:13:56
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ah But the big review next week, we've already mentioned it. Superman, the documentary first released from DC Studios. ah Very excited for that. Everybody's praising it. um The whole story about Christopher Reeves and and how he how he came to be and how his accident became a philanthropic lifelong legacy for him, and even after death of the Dana Reeve Foundation. so Um, they're far more read. I can't remember what that was called, but we'll talk about that next week. Um, thank you everyone for listening and we'll talk to you then. Peace.
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dosis we the geek blurrr crew here to enlighten
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you're a fan of the comic book
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let's do this givey do andy good call
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We have been talking about doing this retrospective for a very long time and we waited purposely for this week to do it. Because this is allegedly the last movie he's scoring, allegedly.
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is Dial of Destiny was John Williams' last movie, so we want to do a retrospective on John Williams, the career of John Williams, 91 years old, still doing it. In fact, when they did the premiere of Dial of Destiny, he did a surprise for the audience after they watched it. Before they watched the movie, he came out and he did an orchestral playing of Indiana Jones. He did it right in front of the audience after the movie, I believe it was after the movie.
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um and they all came out for the round of applause and the curtain went up and he was behind there with the orchestra and did the whole entire theme from Indiana Jones, did a couple of other songs I believe. Still active. um He's been around since 1952. He's been working with with movies with since 1972, big movies. I believe the very first one that I mentioned a few weeks ago was Fiddler on the Roof, which he adapted the stage screenplay, um but he won Academy Award for it.
01:16:51
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That was 1971. But he also did the ah Olympic themes for all the U.S. games nineteen eighty four eighty eight ninety six and in and 2002. Winter and in Summer Olympics. He did the themes to those. um He did the Poseidon Adventure in 1972. He did Earthquake and Towering Inferno in 1974. Two movies I haven't seen, but I know are very, very our classic movies. And then he meet meets up with a young director, young um up and coming director.
01:17:21
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And he decides to make a orchestral orchestra theme for this brand new movie about the shark that comes out on the beach in the summer in Amityville. is say amy what's what's the name What's the name of the movie? Amityville. amville I just watched this movie for the very first time a couple of years ago.
01:17:43
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I'm watching it this week, 4th of July. Kevin watches every 4th of July, just like he watches Modern at Christmas. Do you want to review it next week? Yeah, we can do that. Give it a proper score? Alright. Oh, the other movie will bring it up the end. Remind me of 4th of July next week. Yep. But of course, Jaws. Iconic theme. Very menacing. Very horror-like. Very first time he works with Steven Spielberg.
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which he has a history with after this of course he's done so many Spielberg movies but because of his history with Spielberg in 1977 he meets up with George Lucas and does probably one of his most iconic if not the most iconic
01:18:36
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of course later on called A New Hope but this song brings you right into the movie brings you right into space into the space opera that George Lucas creates and yeah Star Wars great fucking movie great theme song great great I think um I can't remember if it was the Library of Congress and somebody voted it the best I can't remember who it was voted voted the best soundtrack of any movie From top to bottom bottom. I don't know. I can't remember what it was. I did read it earlier um Another theme he did for Spielberg his next movie after jaws close encounters of the third whole entire orchestral part of that as well that whole movie
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And then in 1978, he worked with a young director named Richard Donner, and he wanted the world to know that a man could fly.
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So he created this epic theme song for what would be the very first movie based off of Superman!
01:19:54
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Honestly, this might be my favorite theme he's ever done. It may be. From a music standpoint. You know, I'm not even a fan of those movies, but that song, that theme is just incredible. It's so good. It brings you in, especially when it starts picking up right here.
The Magic of John Williams: Iconic Film Scores
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I mean, come on. You believe a man will fly. You believe it. And they did it. Doesn't hold up like you said, but back in the day, I could see this being as huge as it was. Yeah. It's awesome.
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In the 1980s, he returns with George Lucas, and he does Empire Strikes Back. And he does this epic Vader March, Imperial March sound song, which is probably the second most iconic song Star Wars song. Darth Vader's March, Imperial March, Emperor's March, whatever you want to call it. Based off Funeral March from 1917-18, which is a lot of things are based off this. The Batman theme is also based off the same exact thing. and Yeah, yeah his his influence to a lot of people after what he did what he did in the 80s, 70s, 90s is incredible. It's remarkable. um E.T., of course, another popular one. 1982, he did writers a year before 1981. We're gonna bring that up.
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E.T., another Spielberg movie.
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of the jedi ninety ninety four he comes comes in um my god i skip raiders are the Lost Ark
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um temple ladune comes back to that nine to eighty four ninety eighty nine goes back to the last crusade which we we touched on a couple weeks ago also did born born in the fourth of july with tom crus which i've never seen i did not know that i've seen that movie a hundred times they not know that Yeah, that's why I did this list, because i I figured there'd be some movies here that we didn't know he did the themes of that we liked. There's and there's a couple of them coming up that I wanted to bring up, too. Another movie we talk about at Christmas time. Columbus, right? Or is this John Hughes? Chris Columbus, yeah. Chris Columbus, John Hughes produced.
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Great, great soundtrack.
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And another great underrated movie which gets which gets shit on a lot, but I loved it. ye Robin Williams is cat is Peter Pan Hook. I love Hook. It's a fun movie. Yeah, very fun movie. and i gets thinking on because It gets hated because it was Spielberg. If any other director did it, people would think it was just fine. But because Spielberg is Spielberg, they expect more.
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And same year that year, JFK, which I've never seen, I want to see it. It's good, Costner. Costner and a few other people. 1992 comes back for Hobo Load 2, Lost in New York. 1993, Jurassic Park. it's just It's just a great fucking yeah soundtrack, great theme song. That reveal of the dinosaurs when this song is playing.
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it's just It's just incredible. what he He brings you into the movie before you even realize it with the music. it yeah It's just remarkable what he's done. And of course this theme is played in all the Jurassic Park movies.
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It's kind of like the Star Wars theme. He's done it in every single Star Wars movie as well.
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Same year, 1993, he also did Schindler's List, another Spielberg movie, great movie, very sad movie, of course, about the Holocaust. 1997, he comes back from Jurassic Park, does The Lost World. Same year, he does Amistad, another Spielberg movie, I believe, right?
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yep 1998 he goes back for Spielberg does Saving Private Ryan huge movie at the time 1999 almost 20 years later 15 years later he comes back to Star Wars and does an epic theme song for Star Wars at Phantom Menace when it comes back the prequels the duel of the fates
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One of the first times he brings in a choir, which is amazing to hear in this song. Especially at the very, very end when Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon are finding Darth Maul in this place. Oh, it's just such an epic. A lot of people shit on that movie, but stuff like this just... We shit on that movie, but... It's just stuff like this just brings you in like, I want to watch this fight scene now. Yup. Oh my god.
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It's also bullshit that they didn't name episode 9 dual the fates like is you originally supposed to shut up That's a fucking epic name for the last hours movie a movie that I wanted a movie that I wanted to bring up I had no idea he did the score if I fucking love this movie The Patriot with Mel Gibson. Oh great movie. I had no idea. He's ledger. Yeah, he's ledger as well. Yep 2001 his last epic theme Original theme that people know played for seven or eight films is Harry Potter. Hedwig's theme played in every single Harry Potter, beginning of every single Harry Potter film. It's just iconic with Harry Potter now. You go into the Wizarding World, you hear this song called Beyond Luke. If you were down in Orlando or in LA, the Wizarding World of Harry Potter.
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Amazing. Amazing. He did AI the same year with, uh, with, uh, Haley Joel Osment. Um, came back for Attack of the Clones in 2002, did Minority Report, Chamber of Secrets, and Catch Me If You Can with, uh, Spielberg that year. No, it was, uh, Catch Me If You Can was with Spielberg. Who was that? What was that Spielberg? I can't remember. Was it? I don't know. The terminal was Spielberg, right? Yes. The terminal that came out in 2004 with Harry Potter and Prisoner Askman.
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Harry Potter and Christopher Azkaban was the last Harry Potter movie he did. He did the first three. um And the terminal came out in 2004. Yeah, it was Spielberg. He did Catch Me If You Can. So he did Minority Port and Catch Me If You Can in the same year? Yup. He didn't, well that's crazy. Well he did Catch Me If You Can.
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And also, like, yeah, I mean, they filmed things separate years of which they come out, so. and Spielberg was in his prime. Release-wise, that was, yeah. Spielberg was in his prime, too, so he's probably filming back-to-back everything. Spielberg only has a prime. Exactly. He's still in his prime. You're right. 2005, the last, the what was to be the last Star Wars movie, Revenge of the Sith, he came back for that. War of the Worlds with Tom Cruise, Munich, the World War II movie.
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memoirs of a geisha which he won an academy award for i've never seen it never heard of it came back in 2008 for indiana jones and the crystal skull when we talked about last week another movie which i knew he did spielberg movie i don't know if you've seen this the animated movie called the adventures of tinton have you ever seen that I've never seen it by newer Spielberg. It is a great fucking movie Kevin, I recommend that. It's probably one of my favorite animated movies. That's how much I like it. Oh really? Oh yeah, it's awesome. 2012, another movie in which I love history. I've never seen Lincoln. I know Spielberg did that as well. Oh you haven't? It's not that good. It wasn't the time in life in which I thought a movie about Lincoln should, I don't know, it just wasn't for me. And it's also like three and a half hours.
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That's that's what I that's everything you just said is why I haven't watched it I've heard that in the past so of course came back for Star Wars is the sequel series ah Force Awakens in 2015 BFG another great movie if you've never seen the big friendly giant 2016 Spielberg movie 2017 came back for another Star Wars movie the Last Jedi of 2019 right in the Skywalker um Talked about it last year the Fableman's in 2022 did the Obi-Wan show on Disney Plus as well and then he did What would be the final Indiana Jones movie in 2023, the dial of destiny? Yes.