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Put the Lime in the Coconut - Episode 1
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Grab your midnight margarita, because Crys and Audrey are using the spellbinding world of Practical Magic to get real about their own lives. They're talking about the curses we place on ourselves, the importance of surrounding yourself with people who believe in you, and how to find your own happy ending. It's a witchy, wonderful, and deeply personal chat you won't want to miss.
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Introduction and Disclaimer
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This show is not suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised.
Podcast Concept and Guest Introduction
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Welcome to Spoiler Alert. It's different now. The podcast where we lovingly ruin our childhoods by re-watching movies that definitely should have come with the warning label. I'm your host, Joa Rojas, and each episode, a friend or two, drops by to laugh, cringe, and spiral with me through cinematic relics of our youth.
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Because nostalgia is fun, until you really pay attention. Rated R for reflection.
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are From the VHS shelf to the rewatch queue, let's talk about what's changed. Welcome listeners. Thank you for everybody who has joined us.
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And with us today are Chris and Audrey, some friends that are near and dear to my heart. And today they have started our podcast series with a movie that they felt was near and dear to their heart.
Choosing 'Practical Magic' and Personal Connections
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So the movie we chose is Practical Magic. Which for us, I mean, speaking for myself, it represents a lot of sisterhood and unity and community, which as I've gotten older and me and you, Joelle, we talk about all the time. Community is very important.
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So that is the movie we went with together. It took us a little bit. It did. Yeah. We finally agreed on the movie and that was the one we went with. This is not a movie that I've only watched once as a kid.
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This is a movie that I've watched multiple times. I think I was around 10 when I first saw it. And I loved it. When we saw it, we had it with kids' eyes. I don't remember when I watched it when i was a kid.
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Right? I'm not going to lie and say, yeah, I was seven and a half. You know? I don't know none that. I don't know when I was. Probably somewhere in New Jersey, in some suburbia kind of place. I don't know. I've always loved witchy things.
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Exactly, right? this I'm going to watch this because I was obsessed with Charms in all those years and all these other different shows. i was I love witchy things. and And it's something that my whole life, as I've gotten older, it's come to me because I've met witches, brujas, santerias, all this different stuff that I've you know grown in, especially being Dominican, is all stuff that relevantate is is relevant excuse me to me.
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That when I see stuff like that, I'm like, no, I get that. Back then, we thought certain things. And as you get older, it changes. So... So tell me about, you know, who who Crystal was in 1998 when this movie first
Exploration of Witchery and Cultural Backgrounds
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came out. was Just like Audrey, I was very much into drawn to witchery and sorcery and all that stuff.
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I was so intrigued by it. And I think it was because I also grew up around that. My mom was into Santeria as well for a period of her life.
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And, um... I don't know, like something about that. And as I'm older, as the years went by and I started my relationship with ah my biological dad, come to find out he's also into Santeria. And that was such like he's always been. And it's such a big thing for him.
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Not sure why, but it resonated with me as a kid and I loved it. I think we were in Brooklyn. Definitely from Brooklyn. I'm from Brooklyn. I was in Brooklyn.
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What house? What apartment? I can't really recall. But... Don't look at me. I don't know. It was... Yeah, I mean, I was 10. So it had to be... 50th?
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50th and 8th. Yeah, when I lived out there in Sunset. that um And it was VHS, of course. And ah so just the movie... Phenomenal. Phenomenal, yeah. Phenomenal time.
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For the listeners that don't know what Santeria is, I just want to take a step back. what What does that mean for you? what How do you associate this movie with Santeria, which is a ah huge cultural, ritual, spiritual experience for Dominicans and other Caribbeans? think cary It is exactly how you just said. It's very spiritual, very ah in tune with who you are.
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And also it's spirits, not just spirituality, but ancestors, things of that nature, right? So if you think about it, it's its own type of religion that started out, if I remember correctly, it's in Africa.
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And then from there, it changed and got like taken about through different Caribbean islands when it came down to slavery and all those different things. That's a whole story in and of itself. But it comes to the fact of ah power that we have in ourselves that sometimes people we forget that we have as a community and as a culture that At that time when it started, people were trying to take things from us. So this was our way of communicating and being able to be ourselves and present ourselves to the world outside of what was being told about us or what we were being shown to be.
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You know, slavery at that time, you know, with going through those hardships is something that we use. santa yeah Which is witchcraft in a way, however you want to call call it.
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is something that people use to be able to express themselves in a way that was for us. To interrupt, but I feel like Santeria and Brujeria, that's two different things.
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Yes, thank you for making that distinction. Santeria and Brujeria is very different. Brujeria is its own... But that's saying. Some people that don't understand it, they're going to call Santeria brujería without fully understanding it. Right. But they are in, for me personally, I think they're close in aspect. There's just different outcomes to it and the way that people do it.
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Right. And that, oh what is it? I can't figure out the order right now. But that goes... Like, going back to the movie, that makes sense. Because people... The people in the movie, like that the outsiders, the... You know... Yeah.
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They saw them as witches, right? They were witches. So you can see that brujería, right? Because some people can say brujería is more of like an evil witchcraft. It's a dark witchcraft. As far as santería, that's more Spiritual. Spiritual.
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and that's but Spiritual in tune. Right. And I feel like that's more of what they were. they're They're good witches, right? There's good, there's bad witches. So I feel like they're more of the good witches. caring ones. The caring, but everyone else saw them as the brujas. Right. Right. They're the witches. They're So...
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they' evil so I feel like that resonates when it comes to the movie.
Themes of Love, Loss, and Parenting
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for the movie yeah I didn't even think of that. I actually grew up with Santeria, Brujeria. I'm sure they they they floated between the two at certain points.
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um I grew up with that and I didn't make that connection in the way that you guys did, which is kind of the point right of this conversation is is being able to get those perspectives and and reflection from it. So for...
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for watching it, um, again, who stood out to you? Which character was your favorite or you know, is there a moment that actually popped out for you in a way that you hadn't noticed before?
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cause I know for you as Nicole Kidman. No, I do. No, I do. Actually, i did love her, but I don't know if I loved her character. Oh yeah. I liked her. I liked her, her character in the movie.
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I think Sally What's that, Sally? It was Sally. Sandy Yeah, Sandy B. But her name in the movie is Sally, yeah right? I think I love her more than... What was her sister's name?
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Ginny. Ginny? Ginny? Ginny? Ginny. Yeah, Ginny. Sorry, I'm thinking about Ginny and Georgia. So Sally and Jillian, right? I like Sally more, and I think it's because she was such a... Relatable character. Relatable. She's so soft.
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Like, such a soft-hearted person. Mm-hmm. She just wanted to be seen in love. Right. She wanted to see be seen in love, but she was also scared of love. She was very scared of love, which is why she did that spell of her, you know. Perfect man that would never be true. Unexistent. Yeah. Perfect man.
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um But she was so scared of of love. and Although she was scared of love, she still found love. Right. And although more than once. Right.
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And although they were deemed, you know, the women in their lives were deemed to ah lose their loved ones. Right. They weren't allowed to hold on and have true love. Right.
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She still found it in her to. be able to find it twice. Yes. Yes.
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So hold on, because this is the question that came to me in the shower. Shower gives me the best ideas. i have my best thinking in there. It's the only quiet time I get with a 19 month old. um The thought was knowing that, right?
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Knowing from a young age that the man that you fall madly in love with and vice versa, falls madly in love with you will eventually come to a tragic demise. Right.
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Would you still pursue love knowing that they would die? I'm not going lie. I would. and I'm sure you would, sweetie. Me personally, it's a ah thing that weighs back and forth.
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Because genuinely speaking, I want to say yes. Who doesn't want to feel that kind of love? But then on the other side, realistically, I understand why Jilly was the way she was. It's kind of like a... I can just move on because if I let you fall in love with me, if I fall in love, I'm going to lose you. So it's easier for me to just move along and go about the countryside and just be like a flowy witch and everything's fine. And whole time you can't even settle down because your heart wants something that you're also afraid to have.
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So that's where for me it lies. a difficulty to be able to respond to that accurately because 50 50 who doesn't want to feel that love, but then who also wants to feel that tragedy of loss when you have that kind of love.
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Right. So I can understand Sally wanting love, but also thinking that she'll never have that man. And so the spell got passed and everything that she wasn't unaware of, of course, but yeah, I can't answer that in a way that's like, Oh no, that's, that's so great. Audrey that you would, or you wouldn't it.
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It's not as easy as yes or no. Or one or the other for me. Because it it goes so much more in depth than just the cover in the top of it of saying, yeah, I want to be in love.
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I want to be in love because I know what love is. Right. right But then knowing what this love is with me and Chris, I can't imagine the tragedy of that, the loss of that kind of love. So why would I want to do that?
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It's catch-22. It is. But I don't think that that would stop me personally. I... I can understand, you know, feeling that loss. I'm sure that's, that's hard.
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Right. Right. But for me, because i love love, I think that I know, I know that I would want that again. Right. Like, okay, you have these moments in your life where you're going to lose, you're going to lose things. You're going to, you know, tragic things are going to happen, but you got to overcome.
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Right. And I feel like, With love. My love is unconditional. Right? So. and what what was that Unconditional. No, I just feel like I would.
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We are. ah We're able to love again. Right? We're always able to love. I don't know. I think I would. We're just going it at that. And edit whatever needs be. Okay.
Critiquing 'Practical Magic' and its Romantic Elements
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okay all right i like that were there any moments that made you cringe or give the side eye yes what were those moments um for me it was the corny shit with her running down the street when that's she in the answer like what time is it and then she takes off running and jumps into his arms to kiss him it's like Do you know that man?
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Do you know where he's been? You saw him earlier at the market. That doesn't mean you know him. So that bothered me because for me, it's like, you're not catching? Nah, I'm not running into nobody's arms to kiss them. and and But I guess in a way, the way you you got look at it is it's a witchy movie.
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The aunt's cast a spell. And you don't until you find out later, because obviously back in the day, it wasn't seen as something like that for a kid. For me, it was like, oh, she fell in love. Oh, that's so sweet.
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To then not realize that even later when they explained, sorry, we didn't know when that we cast that spell, you weren't correlating both things at the same time. Watching it now, you look at it, it's like, wow, how could y'all do that? So a girl, when she was already trying to be normal right and didn't want to be hated.
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to then fall in love with somebody and then she's running down a freaking street in in what is that mass running down the street and jumping into a white man's arms like I love you like what is your name though so that was a cringe moment for me and then other cringe moments had to do with Jilly.
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Some of the things when it came to Jimmy and the things that happened with him and the way she was with guys and the dancing, I was like, wow, the 90s was wild. i can't I forgot all about how how bonkers it is to look at some of those movies and the way that they acted. Everybody used to be like, wow, that's phenomenal. She's great. And I'm looking at her like...
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Nicole, baby, get seen with them. What is this? And then you got the like Latino guy that comes in, Jimmy, and he's like whatever he is. Bulgarian. Yo, Bulgarian. And it's like, bro.
00:14:05
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What? Literally. like Who the fuck are you? And then he would come up and touch her. Yeah, fucking weird shit. That that stuff very much still made me cringe for sure. You know what what? The first side eye that I gave this movie was...
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When Jilly was drugging him. When Jilly was drugging Jimmy. Right? She... and think she's going to see her sister, right? Sally calls out for her. And she's with Jimmy. They're infatuated with each other. And she has to go to the bathroom. And she takes this bottle and she drops the... It looks like pellets. Yeah. ah Into the bottle. And I don't remember this movie too much from when I was a kid. So for me watching it now, i was just like...
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That's a little sketchy. Like she's drugging this man in the bathroom. um And I didn't really understand the context at first. I was just like, she's just OK. Is she killing him? Is she? Is she? What is she doing? So obviously we find out later that she put him to sleep so she can get so that she can get rest from him to be able to come see her sister.
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um But to be honest with you, one of the first things that came to mind as I watched her pouring those pellets into the bottle was Cardi B. I was like, this is this is crazy. Like, it's it's viewed so differently now, right? Like this, I don't think that...
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we would look at it the same way as adults did in the nineties, right? Like I think right now there's been so much taboo with date rape and being roofied and, you know, everything that's going on in culture right now, when it comes to, to the nineties being revealed for what it was, which was very predatory, right?
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To watch, Jilly drug her boyfriend. I was just like, whoa, like this has been perpetuated. it was so normalized in that movie. It it was done again in the car Sally. Right. It was, it was a regular occurrence in the movie. And I just like, this is a little, this a little much right now. Right. Like girl, you going to jail.
00:15:59
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For me, the side eye that came from that scene right before was how he acted with her wanting to go to the bathroom. Very like dominant. Don't go. You can't do nothing without me.
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but And she's like, I'm just going to the bathroom. And he's like, oh, I'm just kidding. Whole time my man's wanted to choke her up and bra and put like pretty much tie her to the bed. And as the the movie goes on, you can see the the dominance he wanted to assert over her and the force that he had with her, which horrible.
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why we find out for the drugs, not that that fixes anything or, you know, adheres to, oh, that's a great solution. More so it's again, the 90s, you start to understand why they did certain things in these movies because for us, that's what we grew up watching. For us, that's what we know.
00:16:42
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These kids would not understand that crap for nothing now. They'd be like, but what's going on? A bunch of questions. And for us, we the moment the movie started, we nah, we get it. right Nah, he's crazy, girl. you do you. And then, granted, there's the aspect of now, this day and age, it's like, oh, the roofies and the drugs. Yeah.
00:16:58
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But then you also thinking, but that man was crazy. She was trying to make him sleep. Because imagine you can't get away from a man. and You got to put him to sleep. Yeah. So there is... hit or miss with trying to interpret it and people are understanding it as well as yourself because one way you see it can change as you get older.
00:17:15
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You know, how you saw as a kid, you were used to watching random shit like that in movies, right? Things that didn't fully make sense to you, but you were like, okay, that's regular. Right. Then now as an adult, we're looking back and we're like, okay, he was a little wild for that.
00:17:26
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Right. But I also understand, like there's, again, double-edged sword. You don't know which way to go because one, can they could both still be bad for you. Mm-hmm. So... That's giving Cassie and Diddy, like, she should do some shit like that. Put his ass to sleep. I think it was a little too close to home in terms of culture for for those scenes. um But you're right. I feel like Nicole Kidman, I will watch anything this woman is in.
00:17:51
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Love, love, love. um But I didn't love her too much in this position, um' in this role, excuse me. So one of the things... um that I wanted to talk about was the wait, what moment, right? Like there was a point in the movie where I was just like, wait, what, can what is happening right now? What was that moment for you? Because like when the cop came over for pancakes, for me, the whole conversation at the market where it's like, I'm coming over at 10 o'clock tomorrow. It's a date Blasey. I was like, what cop from Seattle is pulling up and then finding you at the market. And then, was on
00:18:27
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Arizona, whatever. And you know I'm Like now, and then you end up at his house and hold on. It was just a little much. I felt like, elen right. A full on make-out sesh.
00:18:40
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but was about to go further. She couldn't go further. Great. Homeboy comes over for pancakes. He's very comfortable with the kids. ah I just felt like this is so bonkers. Like this would never happen. i don't feel like directors today would have made that scene happen the way that it did because it's just not something that would happen, right? Like you wouldn't allow ah detective that you just meant to come over and make pancakes with your kids, right? Like i just felt that it was unrealistic.
00:19:10
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Right. Now, was that due to the spell? I mean, he says they feel like they she calls him, right? and But that was when she was a kid. That's not something that happened as an adult. She was however old when she did that first spell with the one eye green, one blue.
00:19:27
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This was many years later. She was married, had kids, he had a life. It wasn't like he came to her as soon he turned 18 and something. You know what i mean? kind of like the life was intertwined due to her sister and the spell and all these other things that obviously came to be.
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For me, one of those moments was...
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Sally fucking flying bro she's like I'm gonna go out of Logan right now sal ah Jilly needs me right and she's like I'm going out of Logan on the next flight that ah then got the money one two she gets there within seconds yes because it's not like she got the next morning she was there and she's already at the motel do you know know Anyway, okay, witchcraft. Got you. But then she gets there. She finds her sister. They're trying to leave. The sister does the whole thing. Chitty, chitty, bang, bang.
00:20:17
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So then when he dies, DK, right? And then they're right back at the house burying him and all that. What is it? How did you get home? And it's the same night. yeah Yeah. From Logan to Arizona?
00:20:28
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That's not close, bro. They were in the car. that's right And then they got in the car. They drove there. Yes. Just kind of like ah Jilly did in the beginning when her sister's husband died and she drove there. But they make it seem like a several nights and she's driving. And um and I'm looking at her when we're watching her a baby. Oh.
00:20:45
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The way they had to make these movies, insane. Because you see it go from like a blue color because it's getting dark out. So then all of a sudden like a pink and and yellow. And it's sunny out. And the next you know, she's in the room with her sister. Yes.
00:20:57
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Okay. But Logan to Arizona to Arizona driving back. And they're there in the same night. Right. I was like, baby, I can't do this. Why would they? They couldn't even try to extend it. Like even pretend it was an extra day. Like, no, it was the same exact night within minutes that they showed up to Arizona and then right back.
00:21:15
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they get to bring him back to life and then she killed him again to then bury. i was like, nah. it was It felt very unrealistic. I feel like certain scenes just didn't land. For for me, it felt like the love scene, the the love story, i could have done without. I felt like they should have picked the struggle, right? It was either Sally had the story of falling in love and these men dying and that is the plot, that is the story,
00:21:43
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or Jilly now has to deal with this guy that she has killed and there's this whole exorcism and like, let that be. I just felt like there was ah split in focus.
00:21:54
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And so both of them felt rushed. Like both storylines felt rushed and and cheesy at the end of the day. Like when Jimmy came back to life, right? And he's like, there's ghosts. I was like, what the fuck is happening? Yes. He's been living in her like a toad. Yes. And they kept showing these toads. And I just like, I don't know. I don't, don't feel like that's landing right now. Like, don't, I didn't see the symbolism. I see what they're trying to do, but I felt like it was just so cheesy. And again, it was because it was rushed. it was just like, you had these stories that were just developing and it was just like, okay, but wait, it should have been a series.
00:22:27
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should i used to trace the way they did that and broken it up so that we can actually get a finishing or an ending to these each story rather than a, okay, here it is, here it is, here it is, and we're done. Two hours. Congratulations, you made it to the end.
00:22:40
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We need more detail, which granted nowadays they give you more details for the most part. Back then it was just, here's a story, i hope you like it, and hopefully we get money back. yeah yeah I think that they were trying to, I think the point of the movie was really that You have this these women who are cursed, right? Outsiders.
00:23:03
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Outsiders. They're cursed. They're doomed to to not find love. But they overcome that. ah She's able to, regardless, you know, her husband died. She wanted so badly to get him back. She begged her aunts to please bring him back. Like, i I'll do anything. Bring him back. We're witches. We can do that.
00:23:26
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that's when the cats It wouldn't be the same, right? Because that's what happened to Jimmy. Right. Jimmy? Yes, Jimmy. And she... She's Angel. So I feel like they're showing they're showing women being able to overcome that.
00:23:41
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um I guess that stereo... Let me just show men overcoming some crap. But anyway, that's the point. For me, when you said that... Womanhood. Yeah. For me, when you said that they split off into different stories, I couldn't agree with you more, Joa, because when I tell you, for me, it's like...
00:24:00
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I was thinking about this earlier. I was like in Frozen and that stupid is going sound like in Frozen. They finally make it seem like it's sisters, like they are each other's true love. They're the ones that show up. They're the ones that are always going to have your back, not. Oh, I need to find a man to take care of me. You know what i mean?
00:24:16
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And I wish it a part of that, that's something that maybe I would change in this movie, is that instead of sadly finding that that guy, it would have been and my sister are now overcoming this.
00:24:27
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The community ah has come together now that they know everything. And we all love each other, sisterhood, womanhood, feminism, power to women. And that rather than... Yes, but my thing is they still had to put in a love story, kind of like ah in a...
00:24:40
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Wonder Woman. They didn't need a man to be in there to get they could give her a reason to live and continue and to be Wonder Woman because he loves her No, bro. Let it be about womanhood and the fact that she can do her thing and she can count on her sister or sisters, whether that is blood or the community.
00:24:58
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Because if you think about it, when they needed her or when she needed them, although they had issues and they talked about her and they they wanted to dislike her, they still showed up. They all came through. Everyone came through. And that's the sisterhood. That's the womanhood. That's the power of community. That's the power of coming together, whether it's women, men.
00:25:14
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it's just in general, community makes people stronger. And i feel like a lot of people don't always think about it that way. Right. Yeah, I think the message definitely got lost. with that love story. I just, I felt like it was rushed. I felt like it didn't make sense because even when it ends, they're together and I'm like, okay, but this is the guy that she did the spell. So that that mean he's also going to die and this going to be excruciating pain for her because I need a part two now. I need to know how this ends, right? Like they were going to come out with a part two. I think they might, but the issue with the part two or even in general with this is the fact that It's kind of like what he said, which I agree with. He said, um you give power to things.
00:25:50
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He's like, and I don't believe in it. So why would i give something power? okay And the way he put it, and I don't remember the exact verbiage of it. So don't quote me on that. But it was when he was leaving. He said, you do your thing and I do my thing kind of thing. and And then we'll see what happens. is yeah That when he was walking away, he said, I'm not going to give it any power because I don't believe in it.
00:26:07
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And for me, it was like that right there is power in itself because so many people put in belief into something that probably doesn't matter. Instead of realizing, hey, it doesn't matter. And they're just like putting all this faith into something that is irrelevant to them.
00:26:20
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But it's what they're accustomed to or what they've been told to believe. And the whole time it's like, no, if you don't let that take effect on you, you can be more powerful than what somebody else can say or believe is supposed to be for you. That curse was only a curse because you guys believed it so much to the point that y'all let it be a part of your life.
00:26:39
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That that's when you lost your husband and you lost your mind and you saw the floorboards all up in the up from the ground when she was trying to get the beetle. Right. Getting the beetle isn't doing nothing because you believe in it so much that that was gonna happen one way another. That was your fate. The beetle would stop. Yeah, that was your fate. Right. So...
00:26:55
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So I fall into like manifesting and yeah, you speak into it is existence. Yeah. So because that's what they believed in all the women in our family lose the love their lives. I'm like, y'all are talking it and speaking it and wishing it in a way. Right. Even though you don't want that, you're seeing it enough that you're creating that reality for yourself.
Character Analysis and Family Dynamics
00:27:13
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Exactly.
00:27:13
Speaker
And that's exactly what they were doing for generations, i.e. the curse. Right. So maybe with with him this is her breaking that curse because he's like, well, don't believe Generational traumas. He's like, I don't believe in that, girl. I believe in you. Right.
00:27:27
Speaker
So at the end of the that love story. Thanks, y'all. Cute. But can we snip that and just kind of stick to what was originally the point, which is the sisterhood and the way her and her sister saw each other is very different than how man is going to see them.
00:27:46
Speaker
First of all, Frances, love that woman. I love her. Frances is my favorite. Yes. Like, she's such a good actress. ah Let me tell you something. of She is Riz ah from Greece. yeah Yeah. And when I tell you she does not miss, her face card serves every time. yeah And she was the most fashionable actress.
00:28:07
Speaker
What? Her coats, capes, her hats, the gloves, lace. What? Her voice. Her voice. The seduction in her voice. Like she's just so, oh man, she just commands the space.
00:28:27
Speaker
Jet. Jet. She was cool. She was cool. I feel like... She was a mellow aunt. Right. They gave... What were we saying? Black Cat and Golden Retriever. that Jet was the Golden Retriever aunt. And then...
00:28:39
Speaker
Francis was very much the black cat. We were saying, we were like, everyone deserves aunts like that in their lives. Yes. We need that. When they came with the margaritas. I feel like an aunt. Like, I feel like I had an aunt. Like, you see, everyone needs that, right? And for me, it's like, okay, we're those moms, we're those aunts.
00:28:56
Speaker
Like, that's what we need. That's what our kids need. Mm-hmm. It's nice to have that. What? You're going through shit. You go back home and you or you go to your aunt's house. That's home. And you're fucking calming down and mindnight my music, margaritas. Come on. That's such a fucking good time. yeah Let loose and and just be with with the people that you're... That you know.
00:29:16
Speaker
Yeah. That you know. That you're supposed to. so to I'm glad that you guys brought up the mar midnight margaritas. The midnight margaritas was really, i think it's one of the staple moments of the movie.
00:29:29
Speaker
um And as I'm watching it, I'm like, oh, this is so amazing to say what you oh everybody has aunts like this or needs aunts like this. There's a moment at the table after they've made the margaritas and they're drunk.
00:29:42
Speaker
And for those that don't know, ah Nicole Kidman actually got the cast drunk before that scene. So they are actually lit as fuck in that scene in real life. And that's why the moment is so authentic and so powerful and so, you know, just genuine for those that are watching the movie at that time. It's like,
00:29:59
Speaker
That scene makes an impact for all the reasons you just listed. right You need an you need the aunts that are just going to whip up a margarita with you and dance under the moonlight and do all the things. But there's a moment where they're sitting around the table.
00:30:12
Speaker
And they start roasting each other. They, there's shade that is flying. You're on a shade. Yes. And I was just like, ah only family shade too. ri Right. Right. Yes.
00:30:24
Speaker
but They, they, they talk about, uh, Jilly being a slut and being slutted out for the family. said Yeah. She said, but who ever said slut shaming was right? Right. She said, yeah. in this house and the aunts were like I love that because there are moments like that when you do have your family family together and and there's moments like that where you guys can just kiki and and say be raw and genuine and I love that the authenticity yes I love that you need that we all need that agree
00:30:57
Speaker
I think it was great. That scene was great. All the way through the the moment when the aunts are like, something smells funny. She's like, yeah, it smells like bullshit. Right. The way that way, I was like, and that's me, sister. But again, I feel like it's something that people that you consider family, because again, blood isn't what's going to make somebody family, right? But when it comes to family, regardless of blood or not,
00:31:19
Speaker
There's something about the authenticity that comes with people be able to speak their minds with other people that they love and that you care about and that you can see eye to eye with and be like, damn, you got me, bro. Like, this last person tried to tell me I they didn't want to hear it.
00:31:31
Speaker
and wasn't looking. And then everybody's, everything's funny as hell. But for me, I mean, growing up and around Latinos, I mean, that's all they do. And sometimes it's not fun because they do it in a mean way. Right. But you got to do it in a way that's like...
00:31:45
Speaker
you it's uh bringing people in the ability to like be like hey we're joking and everything but like that we got you it's me and you we here rather than just the negativity of it all and that's kind of like what they were portraying I feel like in that scene yes we're drinking even though it's it's like raw honesty that they didn't expect to have you saying it because you're in company that allows you to be able to do that so you being able to do that and then being able to do it back I feel like that speaks volumes when it comes to families like that. Because not everyone has something like that or people in their life and in their circle that allows them to do that.
00:32:18
Speaker
You need that. You do. Which is why I said we need to be those aunts. I want to very much so aspire. I want to aspire to be Frances. I want to be able to wake up and be like, it smells like bullshit in here. i don't like that shit.
00:32:29
Speaker
Allergic kind of stuff. Or, you know what? Let's make midnight margaritas. Right.
Reflecting on Representation and 90s Context
00:32:50
Speaker
So switching gears, I want to go into the you know rated R for reflection piece of the podcast. And this ties in the social and cultural ah pieces that we might have missed at 10 years old. And now that we're in our seasoned era, ah what is some things that that stood out for you guys? Like for me, one thing that I noticed recently Pretty early in the movie, and I was hoping that I would be wrong, i did not see a single person of color in this movie.
00:33:20
Speaker
Not a black woman, not a Hispanic boy, not a nothing. ill Not one, not a speck of color. No. And i was like, you know, I get it. It's supposed to be like Salem, Massachusetts.
00:33:32
Speaker
Ah. But I feel like it's the 90s. And by then we knew that there was black people. Right. Like there was there I feel like culture and TV and movies and we had figured out hip hop.
00:33:47
Speaker
um So I just felt like it was so interesting that for a movie that came out in 1998, for it to not have a single person of color. was interesting, while at the same time highlighting how different they were, right?
00:34:02
Speaker
It was um ah quote by one of the aunts where she tells her as they're, you know, walking across the street and they they just got taunted by the kids and it's like, witch, witch, you're a bitch, witch, witch, right? Yeah. song She was like, you know, after 300 years, you would think they would get a better rhyme. um But the Aunt Frances tells her being normal is not a virtue. It actually demotes courage, right? Like something to that effect. don't Don't quote me on that. But she says something to that effect and that stuck out to me. And I was just like, right.
00:34:34
Speaker
You know, she's she's explaining how being different is ah quality, how it's a benefit, how there's there's power in that. um While at the same time, there's other parts of the movies where they're just like, you know, you're they're just different.
00:34:49
Speaker
we're We're just different, right? She's not chosen for the phone tree because she's different. um And then there's kind of like this undercover, subtle moment where she calls all of the phone tree to get the support for the exorcism. twelve friends Right. And it's like, oh my God, Sally just came out. And was just like, what the fuck?
00:35:11
Speaker
That was Okay, I said the margaritas is one of my favorites, but that one too, because when I tell you, I started cackling. I said, babe, not them saying she came out like she's a lesbian. You know, she came out the closet. No, she came out as ah as ah a witch. She's finally admitting, yes, guys, I'm a witch. Can you guys just help me?
00:35:30
Speaker
That made me die laughing because already those people... Loved her. The ones that worked with her, they already knew who she was. They loved her. They didn't care about on that, but they also knew she was a good person. they weren't looking at like the rest of the community that was like, oh, you're a bitch. You're a witch.
00:35:44
Speaker
They looked at her and she was just a loving mother, a person that cared and that just wanted to be cared for and whatever. That seeing that and the blonde chick saying she just came out made me die laughing because it's like,
00:35:57
Speaker
the diversity that they don't realize. They were ahead of their time in a way that they didn't really fucking it understand. yeah So seeing that, I was like... kind of made up for not having black people. Yeah. But if you think about it, the the underlying problem that i had, which which is accurate in the sense of them not having anybody of color, is the fact that witchcraft didn't come from the white people. right Like Grant says, Salem, a lot of those witches weren't actual witches. It was just people that hated them and wanted to kill them. Some of them were actual witches. right Most of them were not actual witches. The witches were standing in the crowd letting and they're dying because what are you going to do? It's white people.
00:36:30
Speaker
And so they want to do that. But for me, it's like... Pero y'all be biting? Y'all jock off of fucking people that have done this for years and centuries prior to you or alongside you, whatever. And then it's just like, no, it's just a white thing in the movie.
00:36:47
Speaker
Forgetting that there's more to it than just what they're portraying in a two hour movie. It felt like it was ahead of its time in the way that it drew the parallels for they're different, we're different. So they were trying to celebrate diversity or highlight diversity in a way. With no diversity.
00:37:04
Speaker
Yeah, they othered the rich yes they othered the witches and they were the only others, right? Like, because we still didn't have a gay character. there It's like there was a queer character there. No queer, no POC. It was just white people and you're a witch. So we can't talk to you and we're going throw stones and we're going hate you.
00:37:21
Speaker
And then at the end of the movie, we love you so much. it's like, if real life was like that, it reminds me of the, what is it, Coca-Cola or the Pepsi commercial with Kylie Jenner? When she came out and gave the police officer a ah can of Pepsi, I think it was, and they were like, yeah, because you come together, it's... fit And I remember seeing that commercial. please delete this. Don't show anybody in the but this commercial. Because first of all, that's not curing fucking racism.
00:37:44
Speaker
But you made it seem like that's going to stop the cops from killing or whatever. So that's kind of like where I looked at It's like, you guys, thank you for speaking on these things. But... you're missing a lot of the things that you're speaking on and keeping it very broad in the sense of whites.
00:37:58
Speaker
So missing the POC, missing, you didn't even have a queer person in the in the cut. The closest person, if I'm being honest, was Frances. Frances is the most, I will always look at her as a g gay bi icon. Like something about, something about the way that she talks and everything. She's the closest thing. But even in that movie, she was very much so just a white aunt that was like super cool and hippie. Yeah, she was hippie. She chillin'. She had sauce on her. Yeah. I love her.
00:38:23
Speaker
Super cool. She was just swaggy. yes She was swaggy. She had sauce on her. yeah I love that. um Any moments that you feel wouldn't fly today? boom When we look at 1998, you know, I think I mentioned how, you know, you can't drug people these days. It's just it's different to watch somebody getting roofied in a movie. And I don't think again, i don't think the directors make that choice in 2025. Not in the same way. I think they find a different way to deal with Jimmy. Yeah.
00:38:55
Speaker
For me, I guess one of the moments was it's with the girls when her daughter gets mad at her outside of the store because the kids come over and they're like screaming, witch, witch, you're real bitch. And the mom, that's the part where she says, you would think that after all these years, they'd like find something better to say kind of thing.
00:39:11
Speaker
Then when she came out, the daughter like yelled at her and was like pissed at her because it's her fault. And she's like, just because you don't have no magic or whatever it is that she says exactly to her it's to kind of like jab at her to hurt her.
00:39:23
Speaker
And she just could say well she's just able to walk away. That shit ain't really flying. in And I'm not talking about just in movies. I'm talking about in life. Like your child looks at you and says, I hate you. And it's because of you. You can't do nothing.
00:39:35
Speaker
Personally, that ain't flying in my house. I think for me, it had to be like you stated. um the detective. The detective just coming in in a matter of what a day of knowing them and coming in just cooking some pancakes and you know stuff like that like welcoming him into your home. For me personally I would never I mean, there are I'm sure there's people like that who will, you know, just allow anyone in their home.
00:40:08
Speaker
But for me, that's not going to happen. but One of the other cringe moments for me was the sister with the cop. How she came down dressed and she was like, oh... let me see your badge and it's like she thinks that she's gonna get away from it the way she does with everything else which is her sexuality and portraying herself as a promiscuous kind of woman you know and for him it's like excuse me I'm here to do my job i me but he's also here for pancakes with the sisters so it was like what are we doing like the man was like I don't know why I can't stay away from you but Your sister's weird, but I'm going to come around and be a dad.
00:40:42
Speaker
But then I'm also going to be boyfriend, but then I'm also going to disappear for a night. And then I'll come back. There was a lot of that, a lot going on. Then Halloween came and he's all the kids. are That's their dad. And I'm just like, wow, a lot happened in what an hour and 45, two hours. Right.
00:40:55
Speaker
It was an hour and 45 minutes. And again, I felt like they should have just settled on one of the storylines or the other. i think, to your point, I think the the message of sisterhood could have definitely been drilled down a little bit further. It would have been more impactful. yeah um But I also feel like the...
00:41:18
Speaker
the the situation with the boyfriend, or not the boyfriend, but the cop, the detective, right? we You said it could never be you, right? Not me. um I think for me, it kind of like brought up childhood memories. Like I feel like i kind of dealt with that where somebody showed up to make pancakes and was like, who are you, sir? Like, where'd you come from? And why are you here so quick? And i i can understand, to me, it wasn't too far-fetched, right? I could see how that happens.
00:41:45
Speaker
But I feel like the storyline altogether wasn't developed um in that movie. And it came off very irresponsible yeah for Sally. Yes, it came off just very messy. i agree.
00:41:57
Speaker
I feel like for Sally being the responsible one, the one that just kind of wanted to do right for her kids and be normal to then jump into this unknown And then be like, oh my God, he's the guy i wished up many years ago. And it's like, I understand.
00:42:11
Speaker
The reason I can't understand is, come on, I'm a lesbian. So if you think about it, why do they say lesbians need a U-Haul on date number two? Right. right So it's similar to that as well as, like you said, our childhood.
00:42:24
Speaker
Because when everything happened with my mom and her divorcing my dad, all this other stuff that was going on her life, it just felt like there was different people I didn't know or I was being around people that I wasn't aware of. And then it was kind of like...
00:42:35
Speaker
ah Okay, well, like I guess you're here. Like, who are you? You know what I mean? But being a kid, what can you do? What do you know? Right. Other than what your parents are saying, you know what I'm saying? I can relate to what you said about that because that's that's a fact. I feel like back then it's very different.
00:42:49
Speaker
I feel like now people are more conscious about... strange day Stranger danger. Stranger danger, allowing people that they're dating into their kids' lives unless they're for sure because, you know, that that's it's very scary out here. But back then I felt like people were so much more liberal in a way that they don't even realize that they were so fucking liberal. you're out here just doing whatever, living your life, like a flower child, and you're having a grand time, and you're forgetting that you still have your kids, and you're just bringing whoever around, or whatever the case may or may not be.
00:43:15
Speaker
It reminds me of the commercials when they would be like, ah do you know where your kids are? Right. It's 7 p.m. So it's like, I feel like sometimes they... now or they find it easier to fight those stereotypes and those things now as adults like our parents. And, well, I never did that whole time. Yes, you did. We was at home at nine years old waiting for you and we couldn't open the door for nobody. but right I had keys. i had keys to my house at eight and a half, nine years old. I feel like...
00:43:40
Speaker
My mother became a correctional officer when I was nine. So that puts me in fourth grade. So in fourth grade, I had keys to my house. We would take the bus in the morning. We would walk ourselves out of the house, me and my brother, um about four houses down. That's the bus stop. At the end of the day, the bus would pull up to the same stop.
00:43:59
Speaker
but We were instructed pretty much, hey, you get out of that bus. You walk yourself those three, four houses down to your home. Before you go up those stairs to the porch, you're going to look around you're to make sure that nobody's watching you. And if nobody's watching you, then you're going to make sure that you hurriedly put that key in that lock and that you get in the house. You lock the door behind you and I'm going to be calling in about 15 minute window. You make sure you pick up that phone.
00:44:24
Speaker
Right. And I look back and, ah you know, my daughter's 12 now and I'm just like, there's no way. now There's no way. Like she's now just in the sixth grade getting herself through that front door on her own. And we're here waiting. We're right behind that door. Like she has never gone home without us being there. And I couldn't fathom her doing that three, four years ago at this point. It just doesn't make sense. And that's why, for me, it's hard with having our child because I look at her and I'm like, at nine, I was cooking, I was cleaning, I was getting home, I was doing all these things, I was taking care of other kids that I see her and she's just like, can't even sleep. And I'm looking at her, like, damn, like, Dolores would have lost her mind on me if it if this was how I responded to certain things at nine years old.
00:45:09
Speaker
And that's where the... changes have come for me and trying to understand her because she's not a 90s nine-year-old. She's a 2020s nine-year-old. You know what mean? and It's very freaking different. The aspect, the atmosphere, life for her.
00:45:24
Speaker
it She's had a very pampered life. was going to say, what do you think the key difference is between our nine-year-old and these nine-year-olds? Oh, everything. Chris, what do you think?
00:45:36
Speaker
No, okay. So at nine, what was I doing? At nine... but My mom didn't really let me go out. Like I couldn't, I wasn't, if I was out, the only time I was out hanging out with friends and the block was at my grandmother's house.
00:45:52
Speaker
That was my... safe haven that was my go-to want to go there every weekend i would live there if i can because it was the buck it was the kids it was the bike the scooters it was freedom it was you better come in for for dinner and then maybe i'll let you back out because it was grandma's house you know so that was me at nine emmy doesn't get to experience that right She's very old.
Parenting Perspectives Across Generations
00:46:20
Speaker
The kids are indoors now. They're in a fucking bubble. They don't want to go out. They have internet as well. I feel like right we as millennials were able to see with live without it, see when it started and then see where it is now.
00:46:33
Speaker
We know the aspects and the love that we have for outdoors and having fun and enjoying our lives outside with our friends on the block or on the front fucking stoop, wherever. Right. These kids don't know what that is. And especially from COVID.
00:46:44
Speaker
Everything changed. So it was already bad. They want to just play video games and hang out inside YouTube that when they got only that for two years. Now it's like, damn, we can't get them out of. It's hard.
00:46:55
Speaker
So the way that they are compared to the way we were, it was we were.
00:47:01
Speaker
do I put it? Treated a little more harshly. And so put it at best. Because it was very much so, you're going to go outside and going to be out there and leave me the hell alone for hours. Right. And I'll see you when I see you. Yeah. You know what saying? Like, go to the holes, go wherever, figure it out. But do not come back in here until the streetlights are on and I need you home for dinner.
00:47:20
Speaker
Whereas these kids are like, they can't even go anywhere without their apparent or without someone because they feel like that necessity is needed. We needed to have independence because that's what our parents forced upon us. where you think Do you think that...
00:47:33
Speaker
Any of it has to do with social media and us being so much more aware as we are the adults. We are now the parents. And now we have this platform where we're able to see everything that's happening in the world. And it's like, well, I kind of want to shelter them in a sense of, ah you're not going to be hanging out till fucking nine o'clock at night till the lights come on because there's crazy ass people out there.
00:48:01
Speaker
It's like, yeah, they knew, right? Our parents knew. But I feel like now it's so much more... People are more aware of it because of the light of the internet provides. Everyone's just so much more productive. Everyone puts on their phone and everything's on the phone. yeah Nothing is getting by anybody anymore due to the cameras, the videos, the so people, TikToks and Facebooks and yeah all of those different things.
00:48:24
Speaker
Back then, it was just word by mouth and you would be you would hope that you were really caught up with the Cheeseman and the stuff that was going on. And know that, oh my God, did you know Felipe from the block was actually a pedo? And it's like, we've all been talking about Felipe, but no one did anything about it because he's family or whatever.
00:48:40
Speaker
Where now no one's wanting to hold that down and be like, oh, but he's just your uncle. Like, it's no big deal. No, now everybody's like, get him the fuck out. Right. He's on an app. So now we're so much more aware of what's going on and the people around us. And I mean, honestly, when you're moving or you're those are things that you're looking into. You're looking into those apps. today Are there any around here or I mean, to answer your question, and are we are we sheltering our kids more because we're more aware? Yes.
00:49:07
Speaker
I think ignorance was very bliss in the 90s. I think our parents just also were trying to figure it out. Right. my I think, you know, my mother was 19 when she got married. but She was 20 when she had me. Yeah.
00:49:23
Speaker
my son is 19 months and I'm going to be 37 next week. So I couldn't imagine at 20 years old, having one kid and two years later, having the second kid and then, you know, having to figure it out and you're in a new country because they just came from the Dominican Republic and they're,
00:49:42
Speaker
Barely able to go to the liquor store, you know, without getting carded and they they they're kids, they're trying to figure it out. And I think for them, it was very much let mean I've been told when you get here to work hard to keep your head down, to follow the rules and not break any laws and just make sure your kids are taken care of and that they are afforded the best opportunities that you can afford.
00:50:05
Speaker
And that was pretty much it. And I don't think they cared about the pedophiles or the abuse, excuse me, not the abuse, but the danger that was present.
00:50:18
Speaker
Yeah. Right? i I feel like we knew as kids. Like, you you picked up. You had Spidey sense as a kid. you You knew which houses not to stop at or which old man not to entertain at the corner store. Like, you knew.
00:50:33
Speaker
Right? But I also think that our parents also knew. and for them, they... Because they were always working and we were like these latchkey kids that had keys to our house at nine years old that...
00:50:45
Speaker
they had to just trust and believe that we were okay. Right. they a Ignorance is good. yeah Yeah. It was like, all right, yeah, you're taking your bike. You're going with whoever from the block. Well, I know they're apparent and I know we all look out for each other.
00:50:58
Speaker
So I'm going to let y'all do y'all thing. And you know, it's... It's the streetlights or nothing, right? You're you're back. christy Yeah, you're back or you're not. And if you're not, you're going to get this belt, right? Like you're going to get this ass whooping and then you're not going nowhere until I decide that I forgot that you were out here fucking around, right? So it's it's one of these situations where I feel like you're right. We know better.
00:51:21
Speaker
um But to your point, I think COVID was a huge, huge shift in terms of the way that kids... and Through childhood. yeah The dependence on the internet, whether it was YouTube or TikToks, because TikToks blew up during COVID, um that this that dependence on just media or feeling included in everything that's happening in the world keeps them tethered to home, right? Because this is where Wi-Fi is at. Because at the end of the day, you're right. the The way, the parallels in which the kids that we see in the movies
00:51:55
Speaker
interact with their parents and the way that we now interact with the world on what we know is is completely different from 98 2025. Social media has is very much so the biggest impact I feel and the changes in this world.
00:52:08
Speaker
And I don't mean that whether it's good or bad because it's good because it has its good aspects. You get to know and see things that at one point you didn't know. You're learning things that we're in our thirty s and we're looking around. We're like, damn, I didn't know that these kids from the moment they're born, they're very much so in the wave of social media. Like, they they're born.
00:52:25
Speaker
i've I've had cousins and and nieces and my nephew. like they I feel like they were born into the social media era to the point that they'll open their eyes and they're two months and they know how to frickin' swipe something or, like, they're barely able to walk and talk and then my man knows how to fuckin' pull up a YouTube and they know how to do all these things and I'm like, I didn't know you could do that. and I'm learning stuff from a two-year-old because I didn't know.
00:52:47
Speaker
You know? So, there are so many... Changes that have come about that are both positive as well as negative. yeah we I just had a debate in in one of my grad courses where we were talking about ai and whether it was ultimately good for society or not.
00:53:03
Speaker
um And a lot of it was tied to education and the use of AI and media in general at this point in education and in health care um and how that impacts society.
00:53:15
Speaker
The ones that have access versus those that don't, because the digital divide is also very real. um And I just think at this point, it's it's something to keep in mind as we're raising our children and, you know, we were looking towards the past. I think a lot of like you said, history repeats itself and we're trying to I think millennials are are not taking it for granted. I think we are aware of how misinformation is being used right now.
00:53:39
Speaker
I think we are cherishing and taking more appreciation for facts and concrete evidence um because we have also, like you said, grown up where we've seen the...
00:53:52
Speaker
rise of misinformation and the the decline of just genuine authenticity, whether that's content, whether that's TV shows, radio, music, even music is completely different than it was in 98. So I just think at the end of the day, there's there's a lot of power that we hold as millennials because of The the bridge that we form right for generations, so the new generation is very digital and we kind of made up that digital space.
00:54:22
Speaker
And then we also hold on to what our parents provided for us and what that world was before where we can remember chasing streetlights because our parents wanted to be ignorant. You know, be ignorant and blissfully ignorant at that.
00:54:35
Speaker
And the fact that there's all types of dangers out in the world for a nine year old riding their bike three miles away from home and coming home at 830. And then, you know, you look at the the ability for us to be as independent and forward thinking as we are because of that.
00:54:48
Speaker
Right. There was and awareness that we had to develop because we had we were exposed to. Because of the freedom that they allowed at that point probably shouldn't have been provided, but that's all they could do to continue living. And again, like I said, I feel like for them, that ignorance is what kept them alive when it came to their kids. Because right now, us being able to see and know so many different things that are happening in the world or down the block from where you live and all these different things.
00:55:14
Speaker
That's where the, oh my God, I got to hold on to my child. They can't do nothing. out They're freaking out. I'm freaking out. We're all freaking out. Back then it was like, I have to hope that everything's okay because I still have to provide. There's the process. Yeah. They were like, if something happens, I'm going to pray. Everything's going to fine. Or however they they live and they focus on it. Again, ignorance was bliss and in a way still is, especially for our parents because for them it's like, oh, it's not like the whole time.
00:55:39
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Yes, it was. And here we are trying to change it. And that's where, i again, another double-edged sword because personally, it's like a I want it to be different. But I need a little 90s involved. You know what mean? Like i need a little something of how I was structured. Not 100% because, I mean, i have my own traumas that come with all the different things that we've talked about, which will talk.
00:55:59
Speaker
But then there are the, I get why you want to be soft. yeah I wish I could have had soft, you know? Yeah. So... that I feel like I can understand why people say some adults and people can be jealous of the kids these days because of the way that they're able to live their life compared to how they had to live. Right.
00:56:15
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So for them, it's like, oh, you're bougie and oh, like you're spoiled. And I see it because i was there. But then at the same time, it's like, this is what we wanted for our kids. We didn't want them to struggle like us. Yeah, exactly. You know, yeah that's the goal. Yep.
00:56:30
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I mean, they say the toughest hood is parenthood and we're here. Our kids are alive and well. They're happy. They are living a better life than we did um in many ways, whether it's just the environment that they're susceptible to or the the the examples that are provided for them, the intentionality behind the people that we surround them with.
00:56:50
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I think we. we are correcting a lot of generational curses and trauma and healing ourselves in the process, which is not always easy to do, um especially when you want to just revert back to how things were done in the 90s because it's, you're like, well, it worked for me, right? Like, ese cocotazo, man, it did wonders, right? Like, but in 2025, that might land you in a situation that you don't want to deal with. You know, it at at this point, I think we know enough to know that it doesn't make your kid feel good about themselves and and what you mean to them and what their place is in the world so you know i i i give us a lot of grace millennials have been through a lot we've been they've tried to kill us many times over at this point and we're still here so
00:57:57
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We're going to go ahead and switch gears and get into the fast forward segment of the podcast. um And this allows us to just have some fun with the movie. One of the sections that we're going start off with is called plot holes and popcorn.
00:58:11
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And this highlights the ridiculous logic or inconsistencies in the movie. So for me, the biggest inconsistency, again, was this love story. But furthermore, was the cheesiness of Jimmy having to be exercised out of Jilly and how they like...
00:58:25
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use this phone tree to get all these house moms that didn't even like this girl to come over and hold brooms and they made this circle and i was just like what is happening like this to me it was just it missed so many marks and i was like as a kid I can see how you can just overlook all of this yeah but as a whole adult let me tell you I just like nah bro this don't make sense yeah That and then the time. When we rewatched it. Well, again, I've watched it many times growing up, but rewatching it as an adult, you can see You're like, well, that doesn't really make sense. You go on that long ass drive.
00:59:02
Speaker
You kill a man. You bring a man to mask. Within minutes, bring him back to life, kill him again within seconds. Right. And then all of a sudden it's all this stuff. The froses, know, how they kind of portrayed that he was still under there.
00:59:16
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The timing of it all, like the lapse in it was very, for me, fucked up. And every time sometimes I was like, I can't. I'm like, I love this movie. I love you, Sandy. Thank you. But ah what is this?
00:59:26
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This don't make no sense. But overall, like the math ain't math in. This cannot be how the cookie crumbles because this is all jacked up.
00:59:42
Speaker
If TikTok were around, which moment from this movie would go viral? The margaritas? Midnight margaritas! Lime in the coconut.
00:59:52
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Put it all together. Put the lime in. It was the dancing around the table, the whole thing. It was a vibe. Yes. It was It was a vibe.
01:00:03
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And I just feel like everybody would be making it a point to make the margaritas. I could see the TikToks where they're just putting all the ingredients in the blender. And it's like the ASMR.
01:00:14
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and And then it just shifts over to... whatever dance tiktok's the size oh my god when they did the fan a trend that they were doing that they would stick a phone to the fan and then everybody's underneath dancing or even the ones that they're doing rap songs and then everybody has their flash on them and then the person is like rapping a song those are the things that i feel like they would do including midnight margaritas if you're like we're getting drunk it's midnight struggle too we get these margaritas going and then people fucking wilding around imagine the college kids with that shit Yes, I see it.
01:00:45
Speaker
I see it. I see sororities. I see fraternities. Like, I feel like if this movie came out today, that would be the moment that would hit TikTok and it would probably trend for a while.
01:01:02
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Casting call out. In terms of the cast, is there anybody you would switch out? Are there any changes you would make? Looking back.
01:01:13
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Nope. I wouldn't. No. Sandra B was made for that part. Francis was 100. They wrote that part for Francis. Yeah, it was really good. Stockard was perfection in that movie and anything she does.
01:01:25
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But I feel like they cast him exactly how they needed it to be cast because even Nicole Kidman. She gave, a honestly, a corny little white girl that is just like trying to like be away from her family and like be a free bird and just do whatever. And she fit that role perfectly at that time in her life.
01:01:43
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Right now, she wouldn't probably be the exact same. But who she was then, perfection. I feel like recasting... It just don't sit right. you don't I feel like I can't see personally anybody that would say, you know what?
01:01:56
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You can be Sandra B in this movie and you could be this person. They all fit exactly who they need to be from beginning to end. I agree. Personally. So if the movie was to be redone, 2025, Practical Magic, not two, right? This is just a redo.
01:02:17
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You can't cast the same people. Who do you cast? Who do you cast as Aunt Frances?
01:02:27
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The person that comes to mind for me is Lady Gaga. Okay. With her black hair. Lady i Gaga in any of her mask, faces, personalities.
01:02:39
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Yes. can see that. I see Lady Gaga. Role. Literally, I was going to say that. She can kill that role. For sure. i don't know, guys. This is tough. um I don't know a lot of these people these days. These kids that are acting. I don't know these people.
01:02:55
Speaker
But you know who I thought of, Lowkey? Beryl Streep. Because, like, the how she was in Mamma Mia. could see her being Jet. In the sense of, like, oh, my God, I just but just... That would be so amazing. Yes. That would be so amazing to think of, actually, now to put them together. That would be actually really dope.
01:03:11
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Mm-hmm. um I also, I'm thinking when it comes to Jilly, because she's like this, like promiscuous, she's supposed to be the sex symbol character.
01:03:23
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Margot Robbie. I just feel like she has that appeal where she has a subtle attractiveness and sexy and just magnetic pull, at least for Will Smith. Right. Right. But I feel like I like looked up. I was like, well, you know, who do you cast? So like, who's the top 10 actresses 2025?
01:03:46
Speaker
in twenty twenty five And Margot Robbie pulled up and I was just like, Harley Quinn, not for nothing, would be a dope Jilly. Yeah. like Think about that. right like Just her her swagger. yeah so way she presents herself. yeah The personality. the like I'm out here. right She's Lady Gaga as ah in a younger role. kind of like Hanging out. like I just want to be free. i was thinking Audrey Plaza. But the issue with Audrey Plaza is that she's very like dark. She's not Sally.
01:04:17
Speaker
She could be Sally if she portrayed that part. But I feel like she doesn't give the softness that Sally gives. She's more of like the black cat. Yeah. She's the one that's like, I'm not playing these games with you.
01:04:28
Speaker
That's who she gives to me. But the darkness and her futures give me that she could play that role or look like the role. and don't know about Play It. Who was the one who played in Fifty Shades?
01:04:39
Speaker
Ooh, Dakota... and Dakota... I can see her as Sally. Dakota something. I can't remember her last name right now. Yes! I can see her as Sally. I'm a stone. Oh! a stone too. She gives a little... She gives Jilly. She gives Jilly. She's like a mix of them. Yeah. Yeah, because the way she is in her movies, her silliness... Did see her in um Dalmatians, right?
01:04:58
Speaker
Yeah, as... Cruella de Vil. She was phenomenal. Mm-hmm. I can see it. Oh my gosh. What is her name? She's just pasty. But I mean, I guess that makes sense for this kind of movie. Dakota Johnson.
01:05:10
Speaker
Dakota Johnson. I was like, it's not Fanning. Fanning is the other worker with the black hair. I can see her. Oh. Brittany Murphy. Phenomenal. It's Jilly. Yeah. I can see her, you know, RIP to the queen, you know, but she probably would have been great as Jilly.
01:05:25
Speaker
She would have been. She always played that kind of character that was just like, I don't give a fuck, I'm hanging out. Like, even when she played Eminem's girlfriend, the whole thing. Yes.
Rating System and Nostalgia
01:05:34
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Mm-hmm. Yep.
01:05:44
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All right, guys, we're going to move on to the flashback final grade. So I haven't developed a rating skill yet. I was thinking of doing slap bracelets. You know slap bracelets are? was like, you know how many slap bracelets? like Is it four out of five slaps?
01:05:58
Speaker
Is it three out of five slaps? like I feel like we got to have, you can't use Moon Men because MTV probably trademarked that. so um But what would be our scale? what What do you think we use for this movie in particular?
01:06:12
Speaker
Five stars, right? Because five stars. Yeah. So going to do about three and a half, four slaps. okay And it's just because of the cringy moments and the inaccuracy of timing in that love story. Those three are the ones that are really taking a lot of my points. Because you could be a five-star. This is a cult classic for me. I'm going to watch you again and watch it again. It's one of those movies that doesn't get old for me. Right? right but It's a classic. It's not going to be a five-star or a five-slap for me. Because if you think about it, there were so many inconsistencies in the storyline that now I'm like, I would have changed some things as a director. I would ah i would have flipped the script a little bit on y'all, not...
01:06:48
Speaker
not the way y'all kind of try to stuff a bunch of things into two hours so personally yeah about three and a half stars i'm give it a three a half slap excuse me four four i'm go give it a four what what was your rationale for that i i love that movie i mean granted we as an adults we view it differently now and there are things that we would have changed that i would have changed some storylines that don't really make sense or not really realistic, but it was a classic and it just brings me back to how I viewed it as a child.
01:07:20
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um Yeah, I would rewatch it. Four stars or four. Four slaps. Four slaps for me. I think I'm at a three, three and a half. I think that's fair. Again, the the love story, the cheesiness of the exorcism.
01:07:37
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um i i don't know. I feel like i at this big age, it just didn't hit the way that it did when I was a kid. And I feel like I probably watched this movie around Halloween time. um So it definitely had a different interpretation. Maybe the...
01:07:51
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The technicalities
Future Ideas and Encouragement of Individuality
01:07:52
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of the movie obviously didn't stand out the way that they did that they do now. But yeah, i would say a three and a half, four. ah But it is a classic. It is a movie that I would show my daughter. she you know When I was re-watching this movie, she came in and was like, what's the name of this movie? I want to watch it, right? She was interested.
01:08:09
Speaker
Just watching the dynamic between the sisters. And i again, to your point, Audrey, I think just being able to... hone in on that sisterhood and the power of femininity and womanhood and and just camaraderie amongst women would be a great message today. The female autonomy of it all was perfection. Right.
01:08:31
Speaker
I think that a practical magic in 2025 with the right actresses and people of color and maybe a few queers sprinkled in there would be amazing. And to be honest, you're right. Make it a miniseries. yeah spread it out.
01:08:48
Speaker
Let's have the Jimmy story. Let's have the Gary, the detective from Seattle story. Let's figure out what happens with the girls as they find their witchhood, right? Like, I want to know what happens with the little girls. Do they follow the rich aunties? You know, do they follow their lead? Do they start having chocolate cake for breakfast? Right. that continue right what What is it that changes? um And what can we build upon? But I think that this is, yes, a classic.
01:09:18
Speaker
Message to all my peeps out there, being normal is whack. Period. Be yourself, be different. Be yourself. know what saying? How is the world going work if everybody's the same? Switch it up, be who you are, different or not.
01:09:31
Speaker
Everybody's different, regardless what they might think they are or not. So.
Conclusion and Outtakes
01:09:45
Speaker
Please join us next time for new guests, old movies, and the uncomfortable truths we uncover along the way. Thank you so much, Audrey and Chris. For all of our listeners out there, please come back.
01:09:55
Speaker
Have a great day. Thank you so much. Stay focused, stay motivated, love one another. Peace. We out.
01:10:13
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Wait, you gotta keep that in. Period. And from the top. And...
01:10:19
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ah here we go and from the top and