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It’s time to head to the altar! This week on Spoiler Alert: It's Different Now, we’re kicking back with special guests Ty, Yekim, and Eroc to celebrate (and stress over) the legendary twists and turns of the 1999 classic, The Best Man. We're diving deep into the culture-defining impact of this ensemble film and the central conflict: Harper’s soon-to-be-published book, Unfinished Business, which threatens to expose a major secret right before Lance and Mia’s wedding. We discuss everything from Lance’s double-standard dilemma to the chaotic bachelor party and the ultimate question: Can a friendship survive a betrayal that big? Get ready for a high-energy debate about love, loyalty, and the complex reality of adulting.
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Introduction and Impactful Movies
00:00:12
Speaker
Buenos dias mi gente! Welcome to Spoiler Alert, It's Different Now, the podcast where we lovingly ruin our childhoods by rewatching movies that definitely should have come with a warning label. I'm your host, Joel Rojas, and each episode a friend drops by to laugh, cringe, and spiral with me through the cinematic relics of our youth.
00:00:28
Speaker
Because nostalgia is fun. Until you really pay attention.
00:00:36
Speaker
Rated R for Reflection.
00:00:45
Speaker
Welcome to another episode of Spoiler Alert. It's different now. i am joined again with our awesome, awesome guest, Mikey and E-Rock, with an extra special guest, Ty.
00:00:56
Speaker
They are back after an amazing episode discussing Friday. we wanted to jump right back in and discuss a new classic. Before we jump into it, i just want to note that E-Rock was ah the lead on this podcast and he had and a very impressive list of movies that he wanted to to discuss.
00:01:17
Speaker
And ultimately, Ty had the final decision. So if you see some banter, or excuse me, if you hear some banter back and forth, understand that there's some friendly competition going on in the room, but we're going to keep it light.
00:01:28
Speaker
With that being said, I'm going to go ahead and let E-Rock introduce the movie that was ultimately chosen for this discussion and we'll jump right in.
Black Classics and Early Impressions
00:01:36
Speaker
I'll see if you can see the holes in my socks. The movie are discussing today the best man.
00:01:49
Speaker
daniel try itli
00:01:56
Speaker
in you One, two. sorry t digs and neil long with trade or just the hey melissa deou though oh man you got hair howard that guy um guy was was in it theres a lot of people the guy with the lot that's and a lot of stuff but no one know his name you said maria her bru i yeah yeah This movie was filmed in 1999.
00:02:25
Speaker
And so i that puts us at around 11, 12 years old for all of us in the room. And ah I'm going to let y'all go ahead and and and jump into why this movie was picked.
00:02:36
Speaker
What stood out to you when the title popped up on on your screen or wherever you you found it? you know I think you had a DVD, right? So you probably look at your DVD collection. So I just want to know why why this movie? Why are we discussing this one today?
00:02:50
Speaker
ah Well, The Best Man is another black classic. you know We discussed Friday last time. We're back with another black classic. It was an instant black classic. um I just think you know as adults, it's it's fun to discuss the messiness of these people. Because they are messy. I seen it when last time I was like 13. And I remember thinking, oh, that's a good movie.
00:03:16
Speaker
But at 13, I couldn't really comprehend just how messy these friends are. This is a messy group of friends.
00:03:27
Speaker
i don't I don't remember watching this movie in this way. I felt like same tie. I felt like if I did watch it, I was probably in a preteen, very early teenage stage.
Character Identification Then vs Now
00:03:38
Speaker
And there's no way I picked up on everything that was dropped in this movie because watching it back, I was just like, the this is, they did such a good job in in just presenting a cinematic classic for the black you know the black community or the community in general, to be honest. I thought it was great. But um do you remember your your first time watching it, E-Rock?
00:04:00
Speaker
I don't remember exact first time watching it, but just remember it just being a movie that you had to watch. And I do remember that I wasn't allowed to watch the bachelor party scene. They would either fast forward or make us go out of the room or something that. So I didn't see that scene for later when I watched it again in college. So you watched it with your parents?
00:04:23
Speaker
Yeah, we saw these archweeds with my parents. Oh. No, yeah, like, no. Except it was soul food. Like, the scene where he was smashing faith. Like, they would either fast forward or they would make us go out the room and come back afterwards.
00:04:36
Speaker
Yeah, no. My mom, she bought the DVD, but she wasn't going to sit and watch it with me. She's just like, oh, ah got this new DVD. I feel like if my mom rented it, then she rented it for herself. And she was not watching it with us.
00:04:49
Speaker
If I watched it at this young age, it was with my aunt or older cousins. And same, they probably had me leave the room or cover my eyes during certain scenes. So it didn't stand out. as you know something that was very profound in my upcoming or my childhood. it definitely didn't have an impact, but watching it now, I'm just like, bro, for those that did have any type of impact from this movie, we need to jump into it. Because why? Yes, because.
00:05:18
Speaker
Off-Rip, favorite characters. Who did we identify with most?
00:05:24
Speaker
Back then or now? Both. You have a, but see, you're unique in this one because you have a point of reference for both. Yeah. Well, back then I felt like Quentin was the fun, you know, Terrence Howard's character. He was the fun comic relief of the movie, but you know, now i kind of have a different perspective of him He's just kind of a messy nigga too.
00:05:45
Speaker
Everybody, is this whole friend group is messy. Is Terrence Howard messy or does he really just keep it 100 with everybody around him? No. No, he's messy. He said, in the middle of the poker game, he said, well, what if she did and put his his fingers to his mouth like... That was messy. Messy boots. Why did he have to do all that? If he was the real nigga you say he was,
00:06:11
Speaker
After he read the book and figured out what was going on, should have went to Taye Diggs and been like, yo, you need to tell your man straight up. Yes. Instead, he stay was being messy and create a whole argument in front of everybody and create whole spectacle.
00:06:25
Speaker
And then it he dropped hints the whole weekend. Like, oh, really? Oh my gosh. Like, he didn't know. Ooh, Harper, I got your book. He talked to him. He talked to him the whole time. Yeah.
00:06:37
Speaker
Yeah, but listen, if you're about to get married, you wouldn't want to know exactly what you're about to deal with. So why not just shut telling Do you get married or would you rather find out before you get married? So now you actually still have a decision to be able to be made.
Quentin's Role in the Drama
00:06:51
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But Quentin didn't tell him. Exactly. But he provoked the telling to be told. He was gossiping, being me a messy about it. Yeah, he did it in messy It might have been a messy way, but it had to be done in some type of way. That nigga, listen, if I'm about to get married and my man my my man smashed my fiance, nah, you better tell But the crazy part is they're all each other's mans. They're all best friends.
00:07:14
Speaker
Well, Quentin Harper don't really like each other that much. Right. I was also wondering if if Quentin knew this whole time. like I don't know. that's a good question. I was wondering how long like he knew when if and that why... it' I was wondering if that is why he was taunting him the whole time. found that way. Because he knew from early days and it was like, oh now the chickens are coming home to roost sort of thing. you know the secret.
00:07:39
Speaker
i know the secret And then I felt like Quentin felt like Harper tries to betray to be like this upstanding, such a great guy. He's always taking digs at him. And Quentin's like, your shit stinks just as much as mine. And you're pretending that it doesn't.
00:07:55
Speaker
Yeah, like he judges Quentin on his job situations and all that. And lo and behold, didn't Quentin's family own like hotels or something? Didn't they say that? I don't remember that part.
00:08:06
Speaker
They said, like, oh, my dad was able to get the penthouse. No, that was Harold. Who's Harold? Harold, that's his real name. Merch. Oh, okay, okay, okay.
00:08:17
Speaker
I thought it was Quentin family. Yeah, because his girl was like, I need you to stop taking care of broke hood kids or something like that. Oh, okay. Yeah, his girl was a mess. Yeah, Shelby was nuts. Shelby was nuts.
00:08:27
Speaker
But I was also, um back to to Quentin, he was...
00:08:34
Speaker
I think they said in the movie something to the effect of like his mom left him, right? yeah And that's why he had a certain attitude towards women. So I feel like Quentin had his own baggage, right? And like his own need for therapy in this situation, which is why he felt like this taunting situation. like I feel like he just had too much fun with it.
00:08:53
Speaker
Because there's no way that he knew- When they were fighting, he invested. Look at these men who's fighting. Look what I created. Right. He funny, though.
00:09:04
Speaker
It's like he had been waiting for this moment. Exactly. He was like, finally. He finally finished the book. And now he understands. He's connecting all the dots that all the red crimps that I left. He's finally piecing together. And he's just so happy with this stuff. Like, yeah.
00:09:17
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i they This happened. I finally got him to fight. Yeah. So, like, back in the day, that was cool. That was funny. Yeah. Now I look at it as a dude. Like, oh, this is just a messy nigga. This create drama. Yeah.
00:09:29
Speaker
When he could have went easy way about and just went straight to him and be like, yo tell him. Tell him or I'm going to tell Yo. And that's all he had to say. Like, tell him or I'm going to tell But instead, he was like, yeah, I gave him some. Didn't Quentin give him the book?
00:09:44
Speaker
Did he? i think he did. think Quentin gave him the book. feel like he did give him the book. No, he took the book. Who? Because, remember, they brought it to the room. And then... um What's Tayden's character's name? No, originally. No, because Lance was already reading the book. Yeah, he was already already had the book. Didn't Quentin get in the book?
00:10:03
Speaker
Who, Lance? Yes. Lance. No, because remember, he he brought the book to the hotel room, and then Tayden was about to take it back. No. I think the girl.
00:10:13
Speaker
I think the girl originally had it first. yes Yeah, she gave it to him first. Jordan gave it to Quentin. What was the chain, though? Was it Jordan? She had first. Jordan was first. was Jordan to Quentin.
00:10:26
Speaker
But Lance was reading it because this this comes up early in the in the lineup. so after they So they're playing poker, right? And that's when he's like, you know, this is my first, my last. like I'm her first, right last and only. And that's when he's like, are you sure? Like, you know, whatever. We can talk about that in a minute. But right after that, so I'm writing in the sequence of these scenes. And it says Lance is reading the book.
00:10:50
Speaker
And he's starting to put two two. He's at his house now. When he's telling ah Harper, like, hey, this is a good book. I'm pooper. Remember, he's a basketball player. When he first mentions the book when he's reading it. So then he picks it up to continue reading it right at the bachelor party. Because why would you have that book at the bachelor party?
00:11:07
Speaker
But his curiosity. yeah It was just weird. and I think I wrote this a few times. Like, this is weird. Right. but So, because I might, I want to see if they can tell us, okay, Jordan had it. Then who who did she give it to? She gave it to Quentin.
00:11:20
Speaker
She gave it Quentin? And then Quentin gave it to, what's his name? Lance took it from Quentin. Oh, he took it? He took it? Yeah, because Harper was trying to take it and before the poker game.
00:11:33
Speaker
And he had in his hand. Remember Lance came in and said, oh, it's mine now. Get your own copy player. Oh, shit. so But it was already at his house. So he probably- that was the next day. that was the next day.
00:11:45
Speaker
to Google. I got to Google. Remember because he said, get your own player copy. i mean, get your own- Copy player. Dyslexic. I wonder if I can search a sequence that the best man had the book. I mean, it's it doesn't really matter, but yeah it's that I wrote here that Quentin has a copy, so...
00:12:05
Speaker
I don't think that Jordan gave Quentin the copy. Right. I think that he just got a copy somehow. But they're all sharing the one copy, aren't they? Yeah, because he asked Jordan where was it at now when they were leaving. was only one copy. That's right, because she got the exclusive. And that's why they went to Quentin. Yes, yes, yes. And then Oprah had one too. Yep. And then he was like, well, I don't want to give it away, but he was like, you know... It's called Spoiler Alert. Oh. Well, at the you know... He He said...
00:12:36
Speaker
He said wasn't supposed to be released. So after the wedding, after they were married. So but Jordan had a man's copy yes somehow. She wanted the exclusive.
00:12:47
Speaker
She wanted the exclusive. He gave her the copy. That's crazy. Yes. I mean, friends will do you. She got it from the publisher. She didn't get it from him directly. She got it from him because she had connections. She wasn't supposed to pass it around. Then remember when walked into her house, he's like, this is your fault. He has no kind of accountability. Like, ah well, c sir, you wrote the book.
00:13:08
Speaker
So how could it be my fault if you wrote the book?
Harper's Book and Friendship Dynamics
00:13:28
Speaker
I want to take it back a little bit. The the movie starts with them opening um with Harper and his girlfriend, Robin. Robin. And that this is exactly what I want to talk about, right? Poor Robin.
00:13:42
Speaker
She's in a tough spot. She was in a tough position. She had already expressed that she had felt some insecurities or jealousy over this fictional character in his book, which we all think at the time is Jordan. Right. Which makes sense and it attracts.
00:13:54
Speaker
um And then we fast forward and... Harper is stumbling over Jordan when he sees her over at the TV station. And they're getting ready to do an an interview or an exclusive for Lance's wedding. And this is how they all know each other.
00:14:08
Speaker
ah or excuse me, they're they're they're starting to reveal in the movie that they all know each other through college experience or a different... ah times in their life where they meet each other. But at this point, this group has been established for a long time. right And that's one thing that I thought was consistent with the era.
00:14:25
Speaker
right So we're talking about the 1990s, and I feel like at the time there was a lot of TV shows and movies that portrayed Black friend groups and Black love. right There was a huge focus on that type of representation on the screen. And it just made me think of like our friend group.
00:14:40
Speaker
And how we kind of had this tight knit group where everybody kind of knew everybody's business in some way. And the relationships were invested in each other. And, you know, it was it was very ah communal in that sense. And I i just felt like that was something that stood out to me when I watched this back.
00:14:59
Speaker
Right. Exactly. We have a pretty tight knit group. And where Quentin or no one, actually none of them went to Lance and said, hey.
00:15:11
Speaker
This is what's happening. Like somebody, none of them, they all kind of, I want to say chose Harper's side, but kind of chose Harper's side. Whereas that was us. One of us at least is going to be like, bruh, so you want to tell him or you want me to tell him? Like you can't let him find out in a book.
00:15:26
Speaker
I just felt like he should have got more benefit of the doubt. Like he wrote a book. i've its To take everything at face value for truth. You said Harper should get the benefit of the Yeah.
00:15:36
Speaker
Like, he wrote this book. Are we about to go into Harper? I have lot. have a lot of notes for Harper. Okay, so I just felt like, I don't know, the way that he was introduced with his girlfriend, I felt like she was in a hard position because he was clearly like,
00:15:49
Speaker
He'd been writing this book for a long time and she would see it, oh, this, here you go again talking about Kendall. Kendall's the one to get away. yeah Like how would you feel like this girl that he'd been talking about for the longest time, like the one that got away, you about to go spend a weekend with her. But how does she know that that's her?
00:16:07
Speaker
i just felt like... You can feel that. Just like they knew by reading who each character was. It's kind of like... He he wrote it too specific to each person. He was too specific to the personalities. Exactly.
00:16:20
Speaker
And that goes to my points about Harper, but we can- But he's messy if he's making a tell-all of his group. And that's essentially what he did. And he thought, if I switch these names up, no one will notice.
00:16:31
Speaker
But that's like like, oh, saying, well, you know that girl that I met in California and she was there for our engagement? No, I'm not talking about Joe. I'm talking about Stephanie. They were like, what? That's too specific.
00:16:43
Speaker
Everyone would know you're clearly talking about Joe. There was only one person that was there the reason. Yeah. it'd be odd.
00:16:52
Speaker
Well, Iraq, I'd love to hear your thoughts. On Harper. I mean, we're already here, so might as well sit here for a little bit and what's on the page. All right, let's unpack. So the way I looked at it before, like when I watched it before, I just kind of looked at it like, oh, he's just a young writer who's just like, doesn't know who he's in love with. Oh, you know, silly man.
00:17:17
Speaker
But now looking at this nigga, he is One of the worst. that he So, like, yeah he spent his whole college time, like, coming up with Lance and, like, watching Lance smash all these girls and hear about all the stories and all that. I feel like he, like, was kind of jealous and, like, wanted to be Lance.
00:17:38
Speaker
So then when Mia came around and did what she did, he didn't stop her or do anything because he wanted to be Lance. I never thought about like that. So then when it's time...
00:17:50
Speaker
you know, Lance is now a national football star. Everybody love him. He's like, man, I need to get i need to be in the star. I need to be in the fame. So let me write this book about all the messiness. And let me take this nigga down too, because I really don't like it, because I'm really jealous.
00:18:04
Speaker
So I'm going to talk about all his messiness. My messiness is the littlest, but the only messiness of mine that I'm going to put in there is when I fucked his bitch so I can low-key get a get back at him and make myself feel better.
00:18:19
Speaker
But I'm going to change the names and ooh. I'm not going to talk about you guys. and It's not about us. I'm innocent. It's just a book. No, you know what you then instead of and and like Just being in a friend group where like people support what you do in your business. like You should have had a conversation months ago being like, hey, I'm going to put this this and that in the book.
00:18:45
Speaker
Hey, this happened in the book. Because this happened in real life. Right. you know, he should have had that conversation, but he waited to... The advanced copy. The weekend his wedding. Yes.
00:18:57
Speaker
But ah to... Okay. So I'm a cape for Harper because... Oh, no! To his point, he said the book is supposed to come out after the wedding. Exactly. Exactly that. So would you want it to blow my relationship after I'm married two two days later?
00:19:12
Speaker
So does that make it okay? Like, I feel like if you're writing a book about someone and you consider them a friend, our conversation must be had. It's not, it's not like, okay, these people did me wrong in some kind of way. Cause they all seem to agree. Like they were all good friends to Harper.
00:19:30
Speaker
So it's like a conversation should have been had. Is this going to be okay that I saw people that I fucked your wife, even though we're best friends? Like, ah something, like, you could have left that out of the book. What was the point of putting that part in the book?
00:19:46
Speaker
Other than to say... That's what made a good story, though. Yeah. And he knows it. So you're going to sensationalize your affair with your best friend's wife for a book? Sex sells.
00:19:56
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, sex sells. got to look at how we even got here. Your girl came and slept with me. I didn't say anything.
00:20:08
Speaker
loyalty wise, he should have said no. Get away from me, woman. Get out of here. Lance, she's not the one. She's trying to fuck me. to get back to All did was just smash.
00:20:22
Speaker
And never said nothing. And then so when he needed to when he needed to make money, He pulls out the scene. I feel like you're painting him as such a villain. Go ahead. He is a villain. He is a villain. I do want to say that I've never actually looked at it from that perspective until you just said that just now.
00:20:39
Speaker
What perspective? From Evox's perspective. Oh, yeah. Like, it low-key does seem like, like, why would you, if that's your man, why would you do that him? Even if you know he's been doing some fucked up shit. And he has. He's been wild in the set and the third.
00:20:54
Speaker
You not going to throw your mans under the bus. You not going fuck your mans, girl. You going to let your mans know like, bro, she ain't the one for you. She's not the one. I've let my mans know multiple times. She's not the one for you.
00:21:08
Speaker
She looked at me funny. I'm telling you. She Yo, she's staring at me too long, though. I don't this don't know about her. um But I smell good.
00:21:19
Speaker
But at the same time, I am sitting here thinking, like, what if he just didn't have it in his heart to actually tell him? So he's like, let me write this down.
00:21:29
Speaker
No, he didn't have it in his heart. I don't know. Well, i don't know how. Regardless of what happened, he's He came out and told him. It may not have been in the right way. No, he didn't tell him.
00:21:43
Speaker
He didn't tell him. He did not tell him. He told him once the book was released. The book wasn't supposed to be released yet. He should have told him before the wedding. He told him because Homeboy charged off the bathroom and said, you fucked Mia.
00:21:55
Speaker
Yes. It would either die or tell the truth at that point. what What are you going to do? Yes. But it was going to eventually come out and he knows for... There's no way didn't know the man was not going to find out about that.
00:22:06
Speaker
Hold on. He expected not to be there when it came out. He expected to still Kansas City. He wanted to take the bitch way out. Right. He wasn't supposed to be at, like, within the vicinity. He is a bitch, though. He trying to run from the ball. Yeah. He admitted that he was bitch. He's a football player, though. What going to do? I don't give fuck who you are.
00:22:23
Speaker
don't give a fuck who you are. You bleed like I bleed. I also want to, like, again, I want to cape a little bit. Yes, please. So, I... That's why my jaw dropped a little bit as you went in on my bra. I was like, wow, never saw him as such a villain. see your point.
00:22:40
Speaker
But I also want to you know just lend this lens also. I feel like... Lance was such a ladies' man. He was hoe. That he underestimated how much Lance actually had feelings for him.
00:22:55
Speaker
Or, excuse me, for Mia. Until after Mia had pretty much dubbed him, right? And then it was like he was praying to God and all these things to get Mia back and he was so hurt. But he had stepped out... He was still stepping out on her.
00:23:08
Speaker
Even... he was still... Right? He was still stepping out on her throughout the whole relationship. exactly So if... Harper is like, this isn't for real. Like, yeah, you love her, but you're still fucking other bitches. Yeah. That's real shit. I didn't think about it like that. Then does have say something? Yeah. Especially when he, like, feels like you're not taking this girl seriously. So it's like, it's been 20 years. It's not like you're taking her seriously. Do I have to say something?
00:23:31
Speaker
To the point where now you're saying I'm marrying her? Yes. Then you should have said something. Then you should have said something. Exactly. Once he's seen it, it's serious. But also, I feel like was 20-something years ago. Does it matter? Yes.
00:23:42
Speaker
If it's his best friend, absolutely. matters. Like, that's my best friend. My best man. I can't cave. Because what's a thought process for Mia? Because she did that as a get back. Because remember you said like she was vindictive. She was vindictive. Yeah, because she's doing a pregnancy scares. Other girls, she's doing but a lot with him.
00:24:02
Speaker
When we were watching it, E-Rod was trying to cave for Lance. And I said, yeah Lance is, he's a hypocrite. And what's good for the goose is good for the gander.
00:24:14
Speaker
So, you know, he got it just happened in the the worst way possible. He felt like his best friend was just off limits. His media, as he said, would never do nothing like that. I'm the first, the last, only his, but you know, her pussy curves to my dick. It could just never happen to him.
00:24:31
Speaker
So is it a get back if you don't let me know you got back? Yeah, it's still a get back. Girls is very secretive, bro. Don't listen. No, it's not a get back. It's just something you wanted to do.
00:24:43
Speaker
No, it's a get back. It's not get back if you don't put it out. She has the card in her back pocket, basically. That's all they care about is having one up. That's what I learned. Girls like the one up. She had to end up on that. So you think she intentionally fucked this guy? Yeah, because what she said was... She knew exactly what her plan was going be if she had to give back. She went there. She knew she fucking that nigga. She went there to fuck him. And she said after paternity tests and everything else, and that's what I was trying to tell these... Uh-huh, uh-huh.
00:25:10
Speaker
These men. right i said, listen, not only did he cheat on her, paternity test, which means he was fucking these girls unprotected and then coming home and fucking me unprotected.
00:25:21
Speaker
Like that is a lot for a woman to have to digest. Like it's not even like you're being careful. ah You're just being reckless. A quote from the great philosopher and um writer Sean Carter.
00:25:37
Speaker
You don't get a nigga back like that. She took it too far. Thank you.
00:25:46
Speaker
See, no, y'all have double standings that always kill me. I'm fucking random bitches. Don't fuck my best friend. You're fucking random bitches. Wrong. That's work. I'm probably sitting in class with her. Yeah. Working with her. You don't even have like one cause consistent bitch you're fucking wrong.
00:26:04
Speaker
raw. I got multiple women. One personality says, call and plan on my... Right, but I'm not fucking up your personal relationship. You are. Listen. Because my best friend probably hates you.
00:26:15
Speaker
I get all of that. But you hate you. Look, I get all of that. What, Mikey? But going back to what Joa said. What? Niggas is going to be niggas, right? No. And time out, time out, time out. Niggas is going to be niggas, right?
00:26:28
Speaker
You might mess with a chick and your mans might mess with a chick. And if your dude not taking a girl serious, maybe he thought he was she was just another one that he wasn't taking serious. Dudes pass girls around all the time. Just like girls pass guys around. Girls don't do that. Yes, y'all do. They were dating that point, though. I don't think as easily as y'all do. Well, guys is like that. We will pass girls around and whatever the case is. because y'all are animals. Exactly. He's looking like...
00:26:58
Speaker
okay, he's not taking a serious, so why not get it? Why didn't he ask him that? And then, and he what if what if this though? We don't know when he started writing a book. What if he started writing this book before he found out that they was getting married?
00:27:10
Speaker
what? No, because they've been together since college. Since college. They didn't stop, they didn't... Yeah, but he was stepping out the whole time. And that's my point. Now we're shifting the lens. Fuck Harper. We're going over to Lance. Yes, Lance. It don't matter if he's if he's still stepping out. You know that's your man's main jaw.
00:27:24
Speaker
You just know he's not faithful. That is true. But he's not still smashing Mia. He smashed her one time. it was just one time. And I honestly don't feel like he was, like, intentionally trying to fuck homeboy's girl. Like, I think it just happened for him.
00:27:38
Speaker
I think she came on to him. But he intentionally went along with it. He didn't say no. Right. I'm not condoning. I'm not condoning. I'm just saying. In terms of his intentions, like, she had ulterior motives.
00:27:51
Speaker
Yes. He just allowed whatever to happen and then never said shit about Exactly. She went... And then go to the book. In the loyalty of things, he should have said no. right Get out of here. Yes, he should have.
00:28:02
Speaker
So my thing is, right? But he's not a little nigga because he's a terrible nigga. No, he's messy. Messy boots. We talk about Harper. They wanted Shelby to be the villain, but it was Harper. Shelby was a mess. We talk about Harper, we talk about Lance, like what about Mia? Like she is not innocent in all this either because what she did was very vindictive. Like I know how to get them did you see it movie how they framed her as angelic? Yeah, angelic. They felt so soft and lovely. They wanted us to feel that hurt.
00:28:29
Speaker
Yes. They wanted us to be able to forgive her. They wanted us to be able to forgive her. But it's not really. And also, was Mia Long's character's name? Jordan. Jordan. Jordan. She pissed me off. Yes! She pissed me off so bad. Like,
00:28:42
Speaker
Girl, the thirst Sahara Desert. She was so thirsty. Thirsty? Bruh. And like, why would you want him after your best friend? She went to her like, I just, you never told me. And then you're like, Like what we had was just so magical. was like your best friend smashed him.
00:28:57
Speaker
You shouldn't even want him anymore. But instead she served that pussy up hot, fresh, on a glass. Yo, that shit was on a fucking bathroom. More than once. Did she fully that they fucked the bathroom? Was that a full confirmation? And girl, yes. What we had was magical.
00:29:11
Speaker
She started daydreaming and reminiscing shit. she said she loved him. and Yeah. She's like, he did he gave me exactly what I needed. And let's have at the altar. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, but to Jordan's defense, you know, she's just realizing this nigga feels like she's the one that got away. But he already fucked her best friend.
00:29:29
Speaker
It don't matter if she always wanted that nigga. So girls pass guys around? No. This this is why it's like... they
Marriage Expectations and Friendships
00:29:37
Speaker
don't It don't count as pass them around because they fall out after her. What's happened?
00:29:41
Speaker
Oh, yeah. if all like So, listen. Mia should never fuck um Harper if she knew Jordan was interested in him. That was fucked up. Because, like, yeah, you're trying to fuck over Lance, but you're also fucking over your friend. Oh, yeah. That's right. They went back. We don't know if Jordan and Mia was that close at the time. You're right. Because was just the girl in the paper that worked with Harper.
00:30:02
Speaker
Fair. I feel like we can assume that. Jordan seems she she she's on her She's best. ah She's her maid of honor.
00:30:11
Speaker
She's her maid of honor. Yes, because if you look at the wedding, probably Yeah, no, I think they're definitely closer because she was part of it. Her dress was the only one that's different. That's how I figured out she was definitely her maid of honor. They're just messy. All of them are just messy, bro. of them are just messy. Every single one of them. Every single one of them are just messy.
00:30:27
Speaker
ah None of them are innocent in this friend group besides... What's name? I keep forgetting his name. Virch? Yes. He's the only one. But he was a sucker right up until the very end.
00:30:38
Speaker
yeah And we'll get to Merch. For the question that I've seen that made you curious, was like, Merch's whole character made you curious. Yes.
00:30:46
Speaker
Who, you brought the stripper from the bachelor party to the wedding? After one day. Nobody stopped you? but Because she called philosopher? They don't like you as a friend, but they didn't respect you. They didn't tell you like, bruh.
00:30:58
Speaker
And first of all, you're not bringing no stripper. Like, weddings are expensive. ah I'm not paying for her plate. I don't even know her. Right. Like, no, she can't come. She showed up to the church on time. On time. She was ready. Talking about, hi, Shelby said.
00:31:11
Speaker
ah you know, even them letting her him be with Shelby for so long proves that they you don't like that. No, they would speak, they would talk about that. Quentin definitely said. Yeah, Quentin, the real nigga, he spoke about all that shit. Yeah, turned around and fucked her.
00:31:24
Speaker
That's another messy thing. mass yeahs Like, Quentin talked all that shit and did the same thing. You gonna make me break up about Jaws so you can smash? But like I said, niggas don't got, his mans had no problem with that.
00:31:37
Speaker
So that had to. No, he didn't know. That was at the end. That was post credit. So we don't even know if he told merch or not. No, they know. How do you know they know? But also, it was weird that she got dumped at the beginning of the wedding and they were still in the electric slide all Still at the wedding. And now that I think about it, so the stripper came. That was an extra plate they had to pay for. Right. He was bringing extra pieces to my wedding, but he's not film star, though. He got money. Right, he had the money. Yeah, he had the money.
00:32:05
Speaker
But still, she was like, mm-mm. You gotta stay while you eat babes, like, now. But... She was shameless. They were all shameless. At this point, it was just wild. It was like, it oh, it's nice to see like a friend group like this. on the And at the same time, it was like, nah, y'all got this one. My friend knows the difference between you and Shelby. What?
00:32:26
Speaker
She's not as bad as the villain they made her to seem. She's terrible when she said, don't care about them kids. There's something else she said at the wedding. But...
00:32:38
Speaker
She knew all the things wasn't shit. She did. She wanted her man to get a better job. all Right. She had standards. Yeah, she's not that bad. But she was manipulative.
00:32:49
Speaker
But she can manipulate her man. her man. No. No, that's not okay. But it was his best friend's bachelor weekend. Like, okay, like, do all that stuff. She chill? She let him do it? No, he's not. thought bad for him. He look like a little sad puppy when he's going to stay with his friends. That's his ass. He fell off with a stripper.
00:33:09
Speaker
He tender dicks. He also needs therapy. He also needs therapy.
00:33:23
Speaker
Lance had some interesting marriage philosophies. Talk about it. The first one that stands out is... Are they interesting or are they both? Because, Joah, I was fighting for my life with these two men, so I'm so glad you're saying this.
00:33:38
Speaker
Marriage is the cure to craving women. No, that, wait. No, but that is how most men are.
00:33:48
Speaker
It's the cure for the craving of women is what he said pretty much. For promiscuality. He says it in two different ways. Yes. But he definitely says the craving of women, right? It's supposed to be the cure.
00:34:00
Speaker
Right. I mean, fuck that is that's not true, but that is how a lot of men are thought to or brought up to think, like, if get married, you know, I'm not going to, I'm just be a good girl. I'm not going to see no more. You know, it's easy. No. It's not that.
00:34:18
Speaker
It's, When you get married, the one thing that a guy wins when they get married, sex anytime they want it. oh But why do you think that?
00:34:30
Speaker
yeah Because that's what men think. We believe that. We think, I have a girl that's going to be with me. She loves me for me. And she loves me so much that she'll just fuck me all the time whenever want her to. All the time. She never gets tired. She never gets a headache. I mean, it's very true.
00:34:47
Speaker
ah one of my married friends had mentioned he masturbated or something, and I was shocked. Like, excuse me, what? You're married. What did you get do that for? and i Maybe his wife was tired. Maybe she had a long day. I understand that now. I was going to say, I'm like, hold on. I know we're not about to have this conversation. I still think that way. I still think that way. But I understand now that, you know. As as a as ah as a young man coming up.
00:35:12
Speaker
Right. Feeding for Punani. Before marriage age. Every second of the day. Before marriage age. Yeah, before even marriage age. Whether that's 18, 25, or 35. Right.
00:35:24
Speaker
You think that once you get married, you're getting ass on demand. Like, you know what? I'm horny. She's horny too. Right. Like, it just is what it is. Y'all are just aligned like that. Yes, like, like no. So it's like, I'm never going to have to cheat again.
00:35:38
Speaker
Exactly. There's no reason to cheat because I could just get it from the woman I love. But that's crazy to think that, well, because I married her, she'll fuck me all the time. As long as she fucks me all the time, I won't cheat. That is a wild way of thinking. So well if that's a wild way of thinking, why not for women, just do what your husband asks you. Just like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Time out. Time out. Time out. Just like for women, if you're looking for that security blanket, your man is doing that for you. Why not do for your husband what your husband wants you to do for him? Hold on.
00:36:11
Speaker
What? Exactly. Time out. So, so, do I need to explain this? If your husband is going to like take the trash out for you. No, I'm not saying take the trash out. I'm saying, I'm saying provide security. I'm saying, uh, he's, he's handling, he's meeting all your needs.
00:36:27
Speaker
That is one need that is met. That is, that is a need that is needed by every man for, for a woman. who Like that is a need that's met. If I meet your needs, why not meet my needs? What's wrong with that?
00:36:38
Speaker
How often do you take out the trash? It's not about how often I take out the trash. Oh, I would. But it's about, it's about, no, it's about everything else that I'm doing. It's everything else that I'm doing. Right, hold on. i'm i'm I'm asking for context. I can't. Because we're trying to understand. I'm busting my ass. I'm making sure this house is nice.
00:36:58
Speaker
These are fed. These kids can go to Joanie Park on the weekend. You have everything that you want. You can have whatever outfit and dress. Dooney and Berg bag you want. Dooney and Berg. I just want some pussy. That's all it is. That's it. That's it. You're right. i need to understand. those really well Joa, thank you so much for being here. Is this like a...
00:37:20
Speaker
on the man type of mentality. Not on the man, but just be in the mood when I'm in the mood. That's not how that works. That's not how... i Or even when you're not in the mood, just allow me to get you in the mood or whatever the case is. That's not how works. Or whatever the case is, because if you're not in the mood and you can't to me for... so If I'm not in the mood and you can't to me for some sex, the guy is automatically going to like, got you. That's not true.
00:37:46
Speaker
i don't think that's true. i don't think that's true. I know. I'm really surprised. Hold on. yes i yeah i need a minute. Yeah, let's do it. like I'm just like, let's rewind. I'm trying to remember what you just said so I can answer it factually, but I don't even remember. I just remember that I said time out because- So so basically what I was saying was yeah that you guys said time out too, but e Iraq broke it down to me in a better language. Yeah, because what you just said was terrible.
00:38:14
Speaker
Yeah. but I'm not going to lie to you. I said it. I'm just more raw when I say it. That's it. I'm just pretty raw. I would also argue like if I'm going be raw, then what you just described is like prostitution. yeah It's like she's your sex sleeve. It's like, no, I provide it. I for you. No, I said that's all that the man is looking for.
00:38:39
Speaker
They want a woman that's going to love them and sex them when they want to be sexed. That is not That true. But what if she doesn't want to sex? Yeah. that again? My only thing is, if y'all both want to sex and y'all both consenting, then that's great. But what if she doesn't want to have sex?
00:38:54
Speaker
I know. what if he's Like, if tonight, like, I'm not saying like all the time, because if y'all are just not having sex, then that's its own issue. But right if's if you're thinking to yourself, well, every day I wake up and I go to work, so every day I'm entitled to like, i'm matching my energy on this, then I think that's a dangerous...
00:39:11
Speaker
If yeah we could have sex every day, that would be a beautiful thing. But i know but what I'm saying is like there's some guys that do not have sex often with their wives.
00:39:23
Speaker
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? like like And these are guys that I'm speaking for. This is not my response. This is just what we're saying about men think. yeah yeah So on average, you know a healthy marriage yeah between a man and a woman have have sex on average twice a month.
00:39:39
Speaker
What? That's the average. That's what the statistics show. That's just a healthy marriage. Statistics show. Statistics show this, right? So just want to make sure that we're putting things in context because I think what you're expecting when ah when I'm on, you're on.
00:39:53
Speaker
One, is it's unrealistic. yeah But two, it's it's very ambitious because life, when you're when you're starting to date, Right. And you, you make, you think about it when you're dating somebody, you kind of rearrange your whole life around this situation and it's new. So the sex is like mind blowing and you do it all the time. You do it everywhere.
00:40:11
Speaker
And then you, life goes on and eventually that will slow down. You don't even have to be married for that to slow down. Right. Like that eventually will change. And there's just different phases and there's times in your marriage that it'll be consistent all the time. And then there'll be, you know, peaks and valleys.
00:40:26
Speaker
But I think to have the expectation for it to be consistently on all the time is is just not realistic. And I think that it it requires more sexual discipline from men to be okay with understanding that women will not match that. Because women are not naturally primed to be sexual beings.
00:40:46
Speaker
and But men are naturally primed to be like that. So right it's is like some guys don't have self-control. Yep, correct. Sexual discipline. Sexual discipline. Some guys don't have self-control. Right.
00:40:59
Speaker
Sexual discipline. Because if they're not getting it, they need to get it from somewhere. But why can't you masturbate? like It's not the same. Because a man will feel like, why do I have to do that when you're right here? i don't want a hair. But what if she has a headache? Right, because I think also what... I mean, unless you're unless the lady, your woman, is literally sitting on a couch all day and not doing shit, I feel like...
00:41:26
Speaker
Yes, you're working, you're providing, but what is she doing? She's cleaning. She's taking care of the kids. She's taking care of home. She's making your home so that when you get home and take a shower, you have clean towels. There's little context missing. w We're not looking at this is this just for me. like This is for you too. like But what if I don't want it?
00:41:45
Speaker
It might make you feel better. Joah, when I say I was fighting for my life watching this movie... I think the expectation is just a little high. That's what I'm saying. little high. So i think for a married couple, they need to have sex at the minimum three times a week.
00:42:07
Speaker
At the minimum, three times a week. So the number for But you said every day. No, I wasn't saying every day. I never not once said every day. Run the film back. she said that was nice. Yeah, that's nice. and would I said that would be nice.
00:42:19
Speaker
But three to four times a week is beautiful. like You see how we keep going Three to four times week. weeks yeah I saw that. That was a sneak. Three to four times. Because some some weeks you might be above average. Some weeks you might be under average. You know, three, four. Well, the average is twice a month according to the statistics. Well, I'm talking...
00:42:38
Speaker
But that's what saying. There might be times where it is three times a week and there might be times where it's twice a month. there's That varies. I just think the consistent, the stamina that that is expected is is just not realistic, especially for a woman because women go through so many different hormones and emotions throughout just ah a monthly cycle. I can only imagine throughout the year trying to- Okay, going to sound crazy for this, but- What?
00:43:01
Speaker
Y'all go through hormones and cycles and then we have to cater to that. Yes. Yes. Because you want sex. Our hormones are horny. Why don't y'all have to cater to that?
00:43:11
Speaker
Because you can release your horniness with your hand. It's not the same thing. Well, why does she say, let me do that for you, baby? I mean, what did... but like but that's If you don't want to have sex, well, you do that then.
00:43:25
Speaker
Do that for me. So, don't give me a reason to even let my mind begin to wander. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Never mind. What? I'm just saying. going to hate you.
00:43:36
Speaker
I'm just saying. Trying to save you on the mic. Yeah, we're trying to save you. Like, you... No, no, no, no. I wasn't saying that. I wasn't going to say something loud. Listen.
00:43:46
Speaker
I forgot what the damn question was. Say it again. So, hold on. I want to move the the the the needle further a little bit. So, your theory, Mikey... i was about to call you Michael because she was about to get real. Your theory, Michael, ah is that...
00:44:00
Speaker
In a marriage that... Okay, hold on. That men, upon getting married, have the assumption that they will be cured of their promiscuity or their urge or craving of other women because they are now in a relationship where they should have stable, consistent, secure sexual relations with their wife...
00:44:20
Speaker
pretty much on the man, not on demand, but that you feel that your energy should be matched when you feel aroused. I feel like a lot of times, unless you have a girl that's really on that type of time, a guy's sexual desire is not normally going to be matched by another female unless they're on the same... Because guys just want sex more than females.
00:44:43
Speaker
but what I just have a question. What affects that? What do you mean with sex drive? drive? Yeah, that sex is a love It's a very big love language. No, sex is not a love language. Physical touch is a love language. And what is sex?
00:44:57
Speaker
Sex is intercourse. Sex is physical touch. The biggest physical touch you can get. No. No. I'm inside you. Wait, are y'all trying to tell me that sex is not part of their love language? Sex mechanical. We're not saying that. What I'm saying Physical touch is different than sex to me. Yes.
00:45:13
Speaker
Yes. Like, you're loving physical touch, that means like, rest like you you want me to hug you and stuff like that. As I'm walking by, just to smile on my back. yeah we very And what... Wait, after you do all that touching and stuff, what does that normally lead to?
00:45:27
Speaker
and It doesn't always lead to sex. It might be cuddling, my dude. Yeah. I have a question. How important is sex? and that answer to It's important. It's important, but it doesn't have to be every day, every minute. Three, four times a week is too much. I think that's... Yes.
00:45:41
Speaker
You want to know why? Because I look at the priorities and the obligations and like the energy that goes into those things. And to give anything three or four times a week attention and entered like physical, emotional, psychological attention,
00:45:59
Speaker
three, four times a week is asking a lot. So you're saying that's too much for your wife or your spouse? yeah so you're saying So you're saying that's too much for your spouse too much attention to give to your spouse? No, no that's not what I'm saying.
00:46:10
Speaker
I'm saying that we can provide physical touch. I have no problem holding your hand. i have no problem yeah experiencing physical touch if along with that comes the other love languages, right? Acts of service, but gifts.
00:46:23
Speaker
words of affirmation, quality We're not denying the other love languages. It's a spectrum. No. Right? It can't just be physical touch. And physical touch can't only be sex. Because for you guys, and right, you're saying you don't understand how we wake up. For you guys, it's very physiological, aka mechanical, for you guys to experience these urges to want to have sex.
00:46:42
Speaker
And I understand it, which is why i keep mentioning sexual discipline. Because your wife, your woman, your girlfriend, your partner, always going to in the mood. It's a lot different than for... for a person than, know, like, not me. Right.
00:46:54
Speaker
And back to the whole physical touch thing, like, physical touch doesn't always have to lead to sex. Right. Like, sometimes i you just want to hug somebody or hold somebody and that's it.
00:47:05
Speaker
What? Are you two talking? What? What? What? lost description I used sex that was hilarious. Okay, okay.
00:47:16
Speaker
So hold on. Let's jump back in. Yes. We're doing somewhere. we're We're pushing the needle forward, right? Yeah. So your theory is that marriage should come with a certain expectation of sex. Now, when that marriage fails to have that, are you saying that men then are in their right to pursue other women and try to cure their craving for women?
Balancing Needs in Marriage
00:47:40
Speaker
I'm not saying that at all. ah good answer What I'm saying is that men have certain needs just like women have certain needs.
00:47:51
Speaker
And I think that man and the woman need to match each other's needs at the end of the day. Agree. Agree. That's what you're saying that I agree with that. Yeah, but what you stated when you first came on was mad wild. Listen, and man, I had to give the people something to look forward to. You heard? four six I'm not saying if you're not getting it, go step out. Oh, okay. Not at all. Communicate. You should communicate. You should express what's going on.
00:48:16
Speaker
Okay, so now, Then leave. Then leave. All right. Because they also... Something comes up, right? Where they're having this discussion during poker and they're talking about the fact that... ah Lance knows that Mia, right? He knows for a fact. He's never been with anybody else. Like you just said, he's so confident. I had to take a second and say, did a man write this movie? Because this very very true to how men talk.
00:48:44
Speaker
When women aren't around, you guys are trash. It to be a man. It's very natural. I thought this was very interesting dialogue yeah from my perspective. Yes, please, let's talk about it.
00:48:54
Speaker
But her vagina is curved to his dick or whatever the fuck he said. That's how confident he is. That's how confident he is. So... He the question that is, don't you think that she has ever stepped out once on you? Pretty much that like if in you stepping out that she's ever paid the favor and he's so confident that the answer is no.
00:49:16
Speaker
But the follow up is, would she be within her rights if she did? So I present the same question to you, right? if If now, Mikey, we flip the tables, because one thing about those tables, they always turn. always Now the man is working and he's tired and he has a headache or he's just not in the mood and, you know, you guys go through your own phases of life.
00:49:39
Speaker
If she were to step out after expressing and communicating that she feels like she's not getting enough physical touch. Yeah. I think that that man needs to come to his senses and do what he needs to do for his wife at the end of the day.
00:49:52
Speaker
You know, you got When you get married, it's not about you no more. It's about the person that's sent across the table from you when you're out at dinner. Like, that's what it's about at the end of the day. Like, marriage isn't about...
00:50:04
Speaker
your selfishness and your self-centeredness is really about giving yourself up, half of you to that other person, you're taking half of them and y'all making each other whole at the end of the day. Like, if they're asking you for something and y'all have conversation and she expressed herself or he expressed herself,
00:50:21
Speaker
You need to do better to make them feel like you're listening to what they're looking for. You're you're trying to make them feel like they're appreciated or whatever whatever it is that they're looking for, emotionally, physically, sexually, mentally, okay whatever it is.
00:50:37
Speaker
So you're saying it's not just like a sex thing. It's like whatever your partner is asking for. I'm saying is if your partner has needs that they that they're looking for and they're expressing that to you,
00:50:49
Speaker
You need to try your best to to meet those needs. As long as it's not like some some out super outrageous stuff. like Okay. like You can't... They're asking for financial stuff that y'all know y'all just can't afford. that's what I was going to say. I going to ask you to define needs. So, you don't mean just sex. You mean anything.
00:51:06
Speaker
Anything, yeah. Like, yo, I want a private jet. You know we don't got that type of bread. What is you talking about? we can load can get you a Honda. You want a Honda? Yeah.
Mia's Motivations and Relationship Implications
00:51:18
Speaker
But again, do you think do you think Mia was well within her right to do what she did? i think... Yes, but not with Harper. Not with Harper. Yes, I agree.
00:51:29
Speaker
Not with Harper. like It could have been anybody. but And I feel like she did it with Harper because she knew that would hurt him the most. like She knew that's like, I got i got you good. You think you're just this big man on cabins fucking all these girls, and I got you real good, and you just never going to know. And she's it was just so special. ain't going to hold you. I don't know if I want to marry her.
00:51:52
Speaker
I wouldn't marry her. I was going ask that next. How do y'all deal with this situation as men? And that's what I'm saying. You said, she said Pau was so special. That's why it didn't become a lick back anymore. It became a thing that she wanted to do.
00:52:05
Speaker
She held it. There's so many times she could have pulled that card out because she cheated for years a years and years. She still held that pocket. She wanted to do that on her own. And she said, oh, boom.
00:52:16
Speaker
but ah I'm in the mirror. And then she dedicated their toast to him. We wouldn't be here without Harper. That was a bit much. that but And I feel like that was her playing in Lance's face. Harper thanked her in his book as well. He dedicated the book to her.
00:52:34
Speaker
I love be dedicated it to all of them. She was introduced this she was coming out of the steps. He was like in awe. What did I say when she came down and they interacted? I said, damn, he fucked everybody, huh? That was before we even got to the scene. Yeah, before he knew. Like, this is what i'm thinking as a adult as a kid. i'm not thinking that. But as an adult, I'm like, damn, this nigga fucked everybody.
00:52:56
Speaker
he's people He's literally, he's probably low-key real hoe. Like, he was just in the closet with his wholeness. The ball was out and open because he was a famous football player. Or basketball player in book. Yeah, I think he gets more respect. Lance gets more respect just for being his authentic self and being a hoe.
00:53:13
Speaker
Now that you guys are painting Harper and Mia out, Mia I didn't see as the villain until you guys have given more context. Same for Harper. Mia was terrible. Like, she knew. it Like, get your look back, yes. But, like, with his best friend... Don't do that. Yeah, don't... Let's just... ah you And then he she never told her husband. do Throughout the whole, like...
00:53:33
Speaker
vow reading he's crying because all he can think about is his wife getting fucked by his best friend and she's like the valley i mean i yeah doing the vows like vow it's just it's just terrible mia was terrible she but that's what that was her plan But Mia still doesn't know that Lance knows. No.
00:53:52
Speaker
me and She probably never will. no She has no idea. She has no idea. She think that he's crying like, wow, he really loves me. No, bitch, I know you fucking fuck my best man. yeah But how do you get over that? like let' start i ah You don't.
00:54:08
Speaker
that's ah I want to say Lance is a big man for being able to push all that aside and still marry her. But at the same that's a dumb motherfucker. I couldn't do it.
00:54:19
Speaker
I'm not doing that. wouldn't say he's dumb motherfucker. No, he's dumb. I wouldn't have married her the next day after finding out. Yeah. Maybe like a bump or two later. don't know. That's just kind of a testament to the man he is. Yes.
00:54:32
Speaker
Because there's two things that I don't do. I don't do babies. I don't do best friends. Baby's best friends, I always tell Mikey, just draw the papers because baby's best friends, just and they would that I can't.
00:54:43
Speaker
I just can't do those those two things I could never ever do. That's really good boundaries to have. Yeah, like baby's the best friend. Basically, she said I can just go fuck. Shut up. No, yeah, right. Yo, she didn't just say that? No, no. Listen, if we don't meet three, four times a week... Let me clear it.
00:55:03
Speaker
Y'all are out of control. Let me clarify, cheating is never okay, but babies and best friends just hit totally different. Like they rock they rock you in such a way, like you better fucking run because if you thought I used to be crazy, my nigga, you haven't seen nothing.
00:55:24
Speaker
Let me ask y'all a question. How old were they in this? Like, was this right after college? When was this? don't think What the time framing of this? That's a good question. She's like a whole producer. Yeah.
00:55:36
Speaker
Yeah. Like she's in her career. She's in her career career. He's in the NFL. No, because he had won a championship or something before. Yeah.
00:55:47
Speaker
And I think they mentioned he got a Super Bowl or if something and going back to the Super Bowl. been up to where his wedding is a big issue. It's a big thing where like they want cameras in it. It's probably like 10 or so. Yeah, I would say about 10 years. Only if I'm asking because there's a difference between when it comes to age and and the way men think when it comes to being with women. like That younger year, when you're younger, you're like...
00:56:10
Speaker
Man, I fuck everything. Fuckin' niggas over hoes, little You know mean? All that But when you get older, you start realizing like, damn, I'm drawing. like And it ain't shit out there. I'm drawing. Like, oh yeah. No, they not there yet.
00:56:21
Speaker
Oh yeah, they not. They not the age where they drawing? No, they not the age where you like- That's Terrence Howard. Harper left his girl to go see if the thing's going work out with Jordan. oh she died And Jordan asked. She was like, why did you leave your girlfriend you know this week? Why didn't you bring her along?
00:56:38
Speaker
And i was just like, they so messy, bro. Because she already knew what time it was. exactly and And that's why i think she served it up the way she did. like She was like, you I know what you're here for And I'm down to it. Let's get it.
00:56:50
Speaker
What if the whole time... He was really coming to see if he get some action from his best man girl. He was not. I'm just saying. I'm just saying. was never clarified because the girl, this is just me throwing stuff out there. you said the action was good? Mia. From Mia. I'm just saying, but listen, look, hear me out, right?
00:57:08
Speaker
Because Jordan, when she found out everything, she was like, this whole time, all it this was about Mia. Yeah. It wasn't about Jordan. Yeah. It was never about Jordan. Nah. No, I just think it wasn't the Mia's thing bomb was just a bomb.
00:57:23
Speaker
Because the whole book had it. Kendall, the character of Jordan, was like the one. That was what Sonala Aeth's character was mad about. It wasn't until we got to land to that Mia was a ah thing, really, I feel like. Right. But thought... read the book or something? Because in in the book, she's Casey.
00:57:43
Speaker
Yeah. Right. Yeah. She's Casey. They should sell this book. yeah They probably got a copy somewhere for real, for real. Like the actual book that they wrote in a movie. I would have read it already. I would have already had it.
00:57:58
Speaker
But yeah, it's crazy. None of these people are really innocent. None of them, like from Quentin to Mia to Jordan to merch, none of them. Because everybody read the book.
00:58:13
Speaker
and nobody said anything to Lance. Or even Mia. Like no one gave, girl, do you know right that he put this in his book? Like Jordan, if Jordan, if that was my bride's name, my maid of honor, she should have tapped me. Girl, listen, you better tell him before you read this book. Like he give him the heads up. None of these are really friends. I'm sorry. That's what I'm saying.
00:58:33
Speaker
Jordan was trying to figure out like, oh, this nigga really like love me all these years. Like let me see what temperature is over there since they fought. Because once she told Jordan... Once Mia said that to Jordan, she's like, oh, yeah, I'm definitely fucking him now. Yeah, she's like, okay, she cool. was a pretending one-time thing, so I'm going to go fuck this nigga now.
00:58:53
Speaker
Which is wild, because your best friend just told you she fucked him, so, like... Well, we weren't fucking for it. I feel like, to your point, they weren't that close. I feel like these were friends that were close once upon a time, and then life kind of just continued.
00:59:07
Speaker
And now Lance is getting married and they're back. And, you know, i have to pick a best man. i have to have a bridal party party. And I feel like, you know, that's pretty realistic. As an adult, like, in our big age, we don't have too many... Like, right now, I probably couldn't put a bridal party together if I needed to, right? I couldn't find, like, four or five friends to sit, stand at my wedding.
00:59:26
Speaker
I think the men were definitely close. I think men have a weird relationship. I think y'all are close just by being men. Like, y'all have a habit of picking up where y'all are.
00:59:37
Speaker
yeah like Y'all are low maintenance kind of relationships. Right. like All we need is experience. We're we're close to experiences and conversations. looks low maintenance on the outside. does that It does. Oh, okay. So I don't know.
00:59:52
Speaker
What would you say to you your guy friend? Like, let's say you're Birch or you're Quentin. How do y'all handle that situation?
Handling Betrayal and Friendship Loyalty
01:00:01
Speaker
If I know what's going on, i'll read this I'm going straight to old boy and be like, yo, tell him, man.
01:00:07
Speaker
You got to tell him. you can't You can't let him marry this girl and you're going to smash this girl. Like, that shit not cool. So you would confront Harper? Yeah, I'm going to tell got tell him what I'm going to At the end of the day, I'm going be like that with all my homies. If you if any of my homies smashed one of my homies' main drums, I'm to say something said it to the boy that did the smashing. I'm going to give you an opportunity to present yourself.
01:00:30
Speaker
And if you don't present yourself, I'm to do it for you. And I'm going to tell you straight up so you're not saying, oh, Mike drawling. But no, at the end of the day, if you're going to be in my circle and you're going to be one of the people that I consider in my circle, keep it 100. Yeah. Because if we can't keep it 100 to each other, we're not friends at the end of the day.
01:00:47
Speaker
Only people I'm going lie to is the judge and my parents are not getting in trouble. And at this age, I'm not lying to my parents no more. Right. You know what I'm saying? mean, looking at Quentin Harvest's relationship, if I was quitting, I would just get off. I mean, Lance to go to be like, yo, read this, bro.
01:01:04
Speaker
I feel like that's what he did. sit down and read this right now like skip all that skip the beginning or just go straight to the start read this shit he's saying he fucked your girl he gave details and forehead kissed her too like took your shit yeah i wouldn't fuck with the hood the non-loyalty of Harper. So I'll be interested. You kept this secret for years. You broke this book for everybody else to hear. I think that's the main thing that kills me with Harper is the fact that you smashed a man, girl, and you didn't say nothing.
01:01:49
Speaker
Then, yo, bro, I fucked up. Yeah. and Once you did that, you're done up. And honestly, once you smash, you're done up. But at the same time, there's no redemption for you at all.
01:02:03
Speaker
I'm throwing you out the ladder. I was going to do still let him stand in your mouth? No. I'm throwing you out. And he's handing you the ring? Right. And the vows, too. Yeah. That's crazy. yeah ah Yo, I probably would have waited until the wedding out of crack ball.
01:02:15
Speaker
And then I told her I'm not rocking with you no more. In front of everybody? In front of everybody, yes. I believe you, Mikey, too. That's the bad part. I'm drawing. I'm drawing that at the end of the day. home Yeah.
01:02:27
Speaker
It sounds good. You got to, you got to buy your, your friend. y'all going to do that in front of everybody? You have told me you fuck 10 niggas and I'd have been like more acceptable to, acceptable to forgive you opposed to. Whoa, 10 alive. I'm saying. And you understand where I'm coming from then. Because 10 niggas is a lot. So I'm telling you, you could have told me fuck 10 niggas. And I'm more receptive to forgiving you than you tell me you fuck my one best man. And that's what I'm saying. Mia knew. I mean, they made this like Lance just fucked a lot of bitches. Like, he was just fucking over Mia, fucking over Mia, fucking over Mia.
01:03:06
Speaker
And she understood that all I got to do is fuck this one guy. That's why she was very... She knew she going to, she was very vindictive. Who was trying to justify her fucking Harper by him? No, I'm not trying to justify it. That's what Des Moines mean. Who was trying justify her? Yeah.
01:03:23
Speaker
I mean, she did get her look back in a big, big way. She ain't getting did She did get it back. She had a nigga crying at the altar. Thinking about her getting smashed. She got his back. in the end, but that kid would never when this nigga finally got money. It wouldn't matter, I guarantee you. was going to say, like, the get back is, like, expired because the the the get back was supposed to be back in college. never in a million years imagined, especially when he's standing at the altar, that he knows, right?
01:03:53
Speaker
And it's already done. And there was multiple chances where Harper should have been like, can give it a better than now being, not saying it right away while we're still in college. But once they start getting more deeper and deeper, it together, it's just like, hey, bro.
01:04:07
Speaker
I want to move it in. What if fucks? What if Mia thought that her get back was going to be in college, right? She's like, that's the best man. He's definitely going to tell him that we had sex.
01:04:19
Speaker
What if she thought that Harper was so much of a real nigga that he was going to tell his mans? And she was just waiting this whole time. Like, damn, okay, I guess he not. She was in love with him. They were in love with each other, bro. hi Harper and Mia were love with each other. That's what I'm saying. This is just a weird sequence of events because in the end...
01:04:37
Speaker
Yeah, she did. They were in the paper. in the end they were in love. And he asked Lance to, he asked, Lance asked Harper, like, hook me up. And he was like, no, she's a good girl. ah yeah And that probably was another thing where he's like, damn, Lance always taking my bitches.
01:04:50
Speaker
Well, ha ha ha. I got this one. I didn't think about it like that. Lance feels like oh yeah he can get all the bitches. None of bitches just cannot resist him. but He got them all.
01:05:01
Speaker
And even though harper said, no, leave me alone. He was like, nigga, if I want her, I'm He was like, is that you? And he was like, nah. Once he did that, that was her game. He could have been like, you know what, I got a thing. He could have said something. I got crush on it. You know how many times niggas say no, really. No, hell no.
01:05:20
Speaker
Listen, any of my niggas that we got bitches together when i was younger, excuse the term bitches. It's just the movies, but he's been saying that a lot. No, any of my niggas that we got joins together, right?
01:05:33
Speaker
If it was somebody that a nigga was even interested in, like, nah, nah, chill, Mike. Nah, I got this. Let me let me get this one. or you get that. Like, you call dibs on girls and y'all respect each other boundaries. Same thing girls call dibs. Girls call dibs.
01:05:48
Speaker
No, it is. but if My wife called dibs on me. but And here we are. Yes. You called on Mikey. I did call dibs Mikey. So you got niggas out there that don't give a fuck about dibs or don't give fuck about past relationships. And that's where you build your friendships based off people that have the same morals as you. Not always. No, not always. Well, you think you're doing that.
01:06:10
Speaker
Yeah, not always. don't find out till later, like Lance and old boy. Right. Right.
01:06:30
Speaker
All right. does this movie stand up today? Of course. Absolutely. Even more now, think, than back then. What are some messages that that should be taken away from the new audience if we were to introduce this in theaters in 2025?
01:06:44
Speaker
Friend groups are messy. Don't be messy. Don't fuck your friends. Don't fuck your friends. Don't fuck your friends. Don't fuck your friends. Yeah. And it's like nobody has no loyalty. And you would think like in today's society, I feel like a lot of people are very like me me, me, me, me. And I feel like back then it wasn't as bad. So like to see that back then, it's like, it's crazy.
01:07:03
Speaker
But but i was going to say to your point, huh they were all kind of. in a career driven mode. So they were all in kind of self-centered mode. So that kind of ah kind of works for that age, like late 20s, early 30s. Can we go back to her question?
01:07:20
Speaker
What question? My question is, what are the messages that are taken away for an audience that watches the best man in theaters in 2025? It's re-released. We're in theaters.
01:07:31
Speaker
I just walked out. What are my takeaways? Don't lie. Like...
01:07:38
Speaker
Marriage is hard enough to to build it on something like you fuck my best friend. And now I'm so supposed to pretend that I don't know. i like And that sucks for Lance. Like, yeah, he was a hoe.
01:07:52
Speaker
Yeah. Wait, you said Lance supposed to pretend he doesn't know? Yeah, because he's like, what if he's never he's not going to tell Mia, like... Oh, I know. So he's got to pretend their entire marriage not to know. Right, because if you married me after you found out, then now you got to swallow that. Exactly. You can't bring that up. I think that's why he this white married her, because he swallowed that. He needed that... ah But that's terrible. He needed that... um That was the the thing that made him go from the cheating to get to this, okay, I'm taking God and Christian and everything yeah for real. My marriage for real now. I'm going to marry this girl for real. Oh, I saw her fucking heartburn, but still. I deserved it.
01:08:34
Speaker
So I'm taking accountability. no I'm going to be that good nigga now. I would have to say something. There's no way. There's no way. like i understand, like oh, we're married. i just got to swallow it. No.
01:08:45
Speaker
No. It's going to eat me up every day until I say something. There's a big thing that y'all are all forgetting. What? Y'all might not even realize this, right? But when the guy gets with a girl and a girl has a low body count, that's a big thing, right?
01:08:58
Speaker
but His whole love for her was based on a lie. Right. I'm the first, the last, the I'm the only one she's ever been with in life. That's really big for a man to deal with woman and to be able to say that about his woman. Why?
01:09:13
Speaker
it just is. men Men love that. That is like a prize pack for them. Because no one's been with your girl. Nobody. I'm the only one that's been with her. I don't have to worry about her thinking about another dude she's been with or this, that. Whatever the case is, there's That's a prize pack for men at the end of the day. But that's stupid. That's ego. It is ego. It is It is ego. But it is what it is, though. That's true. The woman is like, she's not a human. like She's not going to have sexual experiences at her.
01:09:40
Speaker
Well, just don't lie about it, though. Why lie about it? You're right. She didn't have to lie about it. It's because it was his best friend. She had to lie. And that's his thing. That's that's what the movie was about right there when that poker run.
01:09:52
Speaker
And that was the biggest thing, just like you said. yes Her pussy curse at his dick. Like, that is a big thing for me. Says him. Says
Forgiveness and Betrayal Complexity
01:10:00
Speaker
him. Little does he know. But at the end of the it was the fact that it was a get back is what was different for Lance, that it wasn't just she cheated on me.
01:10:12
Speaker
I deserved it I still love this woman. Yeah. There was a level of accountability him continuing his body. Yeah, this is, this is, if I'm the Christian man that I say I am, I'm reading these verses, forget what verse he saying, but I cannot be this man if I'm not going to forgive her when she has forgiven me time and time. And what I tell you, Iraq, I'll tell you this all the time. I said, if a nigga was running around, cheating around. never said that. I said, if nigga was running around, cheating fucking bitches, right? And his girl cheats on one time.
01:10:48
Speaker
You deserve it at the end of the day. isn' Honestly, that's probably not enough. Have I not said that to you before? Like, that's you deserve it. And as a man, you just got to be like, you got to either do what she had to do, get over it and move on, or...
01:11:04
Speaker
don't Don't mess with her no more or like like like he did suck it up and keep it moving forward. But it's just fucked up because it was his best friend. his best that's That's the essence worst it can get. yeah You might as well- It's just a testament to how good of a man he is.
01:11:18
Speaker
like He's a good Christian man. Yeah, he's a good Christian. That's a good mess, man. Listen, listen, listen to me. No, like, and not just absolutely not. Like, she's going to know that I know. We're going to have to have a conversation about this because the po did now the foundation of what we have, is had like you said, has been built on a lie. Like,
01:11:38
Speaker
How can you build something a lie? But the foundation was built on more of his lies than hers. Whose lies? I'm not going to say she knew what she getting into, but she She did at first. She knew. She knew. He had a reputation. How do you not know? He even called him small.
01:11:59
Speaker
Yes. Just to pull the collar. She called him small. I thought you were bigger. You look bigger on TV. You look bigger on TV. Oh, yeah, right. And then she said he couldn't play football. She's like, you could be better. She called him. Yeah.
01:12:09
Speaker
like So she knew who he was. She knew who he was. And it's not saying that like, oh you what you're getting into, you deserve it But he had no idea she would do anything like that. yes She had an idea.
01:12:20
Speaker
Like after the first maternity test, would have been the fuck out. Like, oh, you fucking multiple bitches wrong. Like you got bitches calling him my phone, sending me paternity tests. That's just, it was just too much And mind you, if you're getting paternity tests, you fucking all hoes.
01:12:35
Speaker
Because she don't know who the dad is. Right. Yep, exactly. She don't know who the dad is. like, you're putting my health at jeopardy. No, it's just no. in And Lance's side, I would have to say something. There's no way.
01:12:47
Speaker
Like, forgiveness does not mean you get to do whatever to me. Forgiveness is more like, okay, I forgive you, so for myself I can move on. But it doesn't mean you get to just... be like, and you're on a little happy note. This is a conversation needs be had because I can't... This is after he... Marries her. He forgave her, but he got to have that conversation. he's like, I need that conversation. Yes, he doesn't have a conversation, but I feel like the conversation is going to more about his accountability of like, yo, like...
01:13:18
Speaker
I mean, because he's still been cheating. So he still deserves it. He wasn't still cheating. He wasn't still cheating. I think they said he's good. Because remember, he gave that whole speech about being faithful. And then we put Harper's quote the side. was like, nigga, that wasn't for us. That was for them. like Oh, no. What was that? You remember that?
01:13:35
Speaker
Yeah, after in the poker room, he was like, yeah, you know, and we were saying, you know, Mary's was all she was cheating. And Harper went to the side and Harper was like, man, what was all that he was talking?
01:13:47
Speaker
And Lance was like, man, that wasn't for us. yeah. I thought he meant wasn't for It wasn't for Harper, because he's still technically single. No, he said us. Us. Oh. Bachelors. She was still out there. She didn't take to him finding about me and Stephen Allen for to be like, all right.
01:14:10
Speaker
I'm assuming this is right after we got married. I'm not cheating no more. going to be a good Christian man. I'm going to forgive Mia. I'm going to forgive Harper. We're going to pray together. We're going to put this on God, and we're going to move on. And I can forgive everybody and still be like, let's talk. All right. Fuck out of here.
01:14:31
Speaker
i'm not I am not there yet. One day I pray to be, but what you right now, today? No, no. not no He finally put what he was talking about the whole movie to and practice. actually He practiced what he preached. Yeah, but I don't know. Forgiveness does not mean you get to do whatever you want to me. because Because I'm a Christian, I can forgive you, but that does not mean I have to tolerate anything you do. I can forgive you from afar. I can forgive you without you even knowing I forgave you and never speak to you again. it's like a mouth over a molehill, though. because she only did one thing to With my best friend. it's what That doesn't equal out to 20 years of cheating on me.
01:15:12
Speaker
I don't know. i think the man would argue. and yeah My best friend... I think the man would argue that you cheating with my best friend trumps me fucking all these bitches. You won. Yeah, you won. one I'm going to tell you you won. And I'm fucked up over it.
01:15:28
Speaker
Yeah, are. But maturity-wise, I'm not mature enough. I'm not mature enough. You should really look at it like I've been lying and cheating and going crazy for years.
01:15:41
Speaker
She did this one major thing. Yes, you don't get a negative back like that, but
01:15:47
Speaker
I have been lying and cheating for years. that that That's bigger than one thing. No, is' not. It's not. about Because it's more of a ah loyalty thing. Like, if you're going to be a cheater, time out. Time out.
01:16:01
Speaker
Time out. Time out. He's never been loyal to her. He's never been loyal to her. I'm doing your football time out. Listen. now Listen, at the end of the day,
01:16:13
Speaker
There should be, if you're going to do fucked up shit, even if you're doing fucked up shit, there's boundaries, right? If you're going to do fucked up shit, if you're going to do fucked up shit, run around and cheat, you shouldn't run around and cheat raw.
01:16:25
Speaker
If you're going to do fucked up shit, and run around, if you're going to, I know, but if you're going to- He said there's levels to cheating. Yes. There's like levels to cheating. ah And unfortunately, I do understand there's levels to cheating. Cheating respectfully. Yes. There's a such thing as cheating respectfully. That crazy.
01:16:39
Speaker
but No, it's not. Yeah, but it's true. Yes, it's facts. So if you're going to cheat... Life is complicated. If you're going to cheat, I'm going to cheat with somebody that you're never going to encounter ever again in life.
01:16:51
Speaker
That's never going to call your phone. That I look at every day when I come over you're around him. Not saying that they're around each other all the time because I know they're not in the movie. But a best friend is normally around, right?
01:17:02
Speaker
so We have FaceTime now, so i technically I get to you every day. So if I'm going to cheat, I'm not going to cheat with one of your best friends where I see them and every time we look at each other, what are we thinking about?
01:17:17
Speaker
Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It doesn't matter because if you cheat for strangers, now every time we go to the store, am I thinking you about to fuck the stranger bitch? just said somebody that you'll never meet. Yeah. Right.
01:17:29
Speaker
There is... Unfortunately, there is levels. There's levels to this shit. There's levels to cheating. my wife is to cheat on me, right? going to knock on wood. If my wife was to cheat on me, I would hope that it would be with somebody that I don't know, that would never hit my phone to tell me that they are doing something with my wife, and that my wife has the decorum and the courtesy to never be messy enough to leave crumbs for me to see. Exactly.
01:17:53
Speaker
That's cheating respectfully. For me... If you're going to take it then. For me, there's no such thing as cheating respectfully. you cheat on me with a stranger, with somebody I know, with somebody kind of know, it's the same... mean, it's disrespectful. Yes. It's still disrespectful. It's the same disrespect across board. But not the same level across the board.
01:18:12
Speaker
What I'm saying that there's complexities. The only level that's changing is my anger. Yes. Exactly. So you understand. It's still the same disrespect. But your anger informs your ability to forgive more easily. Yes.
01:18:24
Speaker
So if you've been married... I'm not forgiven on any level. I understand. I understand what you're saying. And I think what what we're getting at, right and this this will highlight the differences in our stages of life, right?
Marriage Dynamics and Cheating
01:18:39
Speaker
It's... It's easy to say when you're dating somebody, if you cheat on me, I'm out because there's not a lot to lose and there's not a lot to leave. There's not a lot to divide. Right. But when you're married and you have kids and you have a household and you have years and a family that's been merged together and you have your own battles and demons within your marriage that you have been sorting out.
01:19:01
Speaker
I'm never saying that it's okay to cheat. I don't condone cheating. I understand the cheating. Right. for certain extents, right? Like if you're just blatantly being an asshole and just cheating on your wife that's taking care of shit, then that's disrespectfully cheating.
01:19:15
Speaker
But if y'all have been married seven years and y'all are in this rut and you know, she's just not with the shits and you're a man and you think you got to get it off. I hope that you just go to the strip club, you get some little lappy dance in the VIP section, you pay the bitch $200 and you come home and continue taking care of business as if it never happened. right Because that I can get over.
01:19:35
Speaker
Yes. That I'm not going to throw away our life for. right I'm not going to just fuck everything up for that cheating instance. At the end of the day, you might say that you're not going to.
01:19:46
Speaker
In most cases, you won't. You'll stay. Even the men. If even if as the woman you step out, a man is not always going to leave. They'll say they're going to. My woman could never. That man's going to stay right the fuck there.
01:19:58
Speaker
If at the end of the day, that household makes sense for his lifestyle. You saw what Lance did. He said he cried, but he said those vows. So I think it gets to the deeper root of things. Like it's it's very complex. say um It's emotional connections. Liz is iffy case because he cheated so bad.
01:20:15
Speaker
Oh, there's people who do that.
01:20:20
Speaker
There's people who do... I think there's like physical cheating, there's emotional cheating. There's like, if you're planning a whole life with somebody else, bro, I can't match that. Yeah, I can't. If you're just trying to get pussy, okay. Maybe I can turn it up a little bit, but... Recklessly cheating. yeah That's my thing. Ramp was reckless. Like paternity tests and all that shit. I don't think he was trying to fall in love.
01:20:40
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I think Mia, however, was very emotionally invested in that moment that they had together, which is why years later, they're still goo-goo-god, you know, goo-goo-god over each other. Right. No offense, I think it's testament to a woman. Because a man was just, you know, the first person to see. She says, I'm going to have sex, so it's going to be the next person. maybe she was safe with him. True. You said what? Maybe she was safe with him.
01:21:04
Speaker
Yes. But a man, he's going to do it. He's going to do it. He'll not be safe. Right. then A girl has to be... It's going to be unsafe. Emotionally, I feel like a girl wants to have sex with a guy that they have a bond with already. They're going to be emotionally... yeah They'll be emotionally... Not all, no.
01:21:27
Speaker
But I feel like a majority are. But way they made her character. yeah Yeah. She's going to be emotionally invested in this man. Now, if you cheat on me and you're not emotionally invested in somebody, I can deal with it. If you cheat on me and you're like, damn, I do got feelings for him.
01:21:43
Speaker
I'm like, damn. like Right, like I love him. what the fuck? and That's different. That's a big difference. Yeah, that's a big difference. And just saying that that speaks to the complexity. Again, is you it's easy to say, you know, you cheat on me, I'm out.
01:21:55
Speaker
ah How did you cheat? When did you cheat? Why did you cheat? Where were we in our relationship when you cheated? Like, I think that there's... it's a lifetime. details i don't care i don't i don't I don't care for it to happen ever. yeah right But if it's ever going to be the light and I'm going to find out the details, I'd rather be the whole, right? The whole industry club. Yeah, that that Miss Marie at the fucking elementary school that's Timmy's mom and now y'all been fucking planning a life together. Like, it's different.
01:22:28
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Yeah. But on that note wait, you know how feel like it gets lost in all this? What? Robin. Poor fucking Robin. I wish Robin had more- Stand up.
01:22:40
Speaker
Stand up. Stand up. So maybe Robin needed to be with the other dudes. Yeah, that's what she needed to be with. This man just confessed to you. hey I just tried to fuck my friend.
01:22:51
Speaker
so I I fucked my friends. I need you. Girl, it's been messy all this weekend. I've been this smart nigga. Do you want to marry me? Right. With no ring. At somebody else's wedding. At somebody else's wedding. I said, first of all, you don't do that at somebody's wedding. That's like a known rule. Yeah.
01:23:06
Speaker
Men don't know that. They're so stupid. Like, you don't do that at someone's wedding. like She said, yes. And she said, where is the ring? And it's kind of like a, I'm sorry, bitch, here. Come on, marry me. I never said I loved you. All the times you said I loved you and I care all that.
01:23:21
Speaker
It didn't work with the love of my life, the one that got away. you gave me these two days to figure it out. It didn't work, so let's do it, girl. I was also going to smash Jordan last night if wasn't this black guy.
01:23:34
Speaker
Yeah, but, you know, got beat so I couldn't. Listen... Can we be together Look at that man alone. Let me get his ass. Even in his speech, said something like, moving on from the past. Like, damn, you got to reference her in your speech too. You can't just be like, yo, you my nigga for life.
01:23:48
Speaker
Cheers, everybody. Like, you had to give her a shout out in the speech too. Yeah, there's definitely a soul tie there. Yeah. yeah There's definitely a soul tie. And that's why it's like, can you can't compete with that kind of shit. And I'm not about to try.
01:24:00
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Yeah, i don't think if I'm Lance, I marry the girl. I don't... Not after, like, realizing. Because he realized that the close... starts peeping gay. He starts singing out to watch at him. Exactly what I said. So I don't think I can get over that. Yeah, I can never get over that.
01:24:14
Speaker
No. Like, my best friend, can't get over it. At least wait a month or two. Nah. Nah. I don't see it happening. I don't heard you. I think I just leave her there and have her explain to everybody that, oh, well, he didn't marry me because I fucked his best friend.
01:24:28
Speaker
But you know what I would do though? I would take accountability. Like, listen, I was a dog, this, that third. But, you know, would still put her out there, going to myself out there too. But everybody already knew he wasn't shit. I told you would have drawn it at the altar, bro.
01:24:46
Speaker
I would have drawn. Right. Then a month or two or three. That one black eye he's going to have another one. And then let him stay up there. And then like in the wedding pictures, you got a black eye. It's not a good look.
01:24:57
Speaker
Yeah. They got stories for days. Yeah. They're just the whole friend group. Messy. Yeah. Yeah. nice idea the Why are you black eye? Yeah. Because they thought no you was fucking Harold. What's his name? Harper. Right. you say that Yeah. We didn't even get to see that.
01:25:14
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Right. what And then even Robin was the one who did like didn't tell Mia. Jordan was about to be like, listen, bitch, you caught. yeah You are caught. Robin's like, oh no, if I was Robin, yeah, bitch, let me tell you something. Look, you fuck my nigga, your nigga knows the wedding is off. So come on, just get out about this wedding dress. youin got up She was like, diamonds or pearls, you don't need none of them shits, nigga.
01:25:38
Speaker
Because I wonder like how Mia would have reacted to finding out that he knew. like We'll never know, but I also wonder what that would have looked like. And what if, what if, ah what's his name?
01:25:49
Speaker
The one that was, what's the best friend's name? Harper. Harper. what if What if Harper's girl, right? Uh-huh. She went in there to make sure they got married because she's like, I need to eliminate this threat right now. Then you don't need to need to be with that nigga. Right. Like, if I got to do all that, then I don't need to be with you. That's too much...
01:26:07
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much like emotional work. Like, no, I don't need to be with you. And then she didn't even say nothing to Jordan. And then what she called She called it the girl's name that was in the book.
01:26:18
Speaker
Kennedy, Kinsley. And Jordan just looked at her. See, and even that interaction right there. Kendall. Kendall. I'm like, wait. Like, Jordan, you knew I was his girlfriend. I probably would've smacked shit out of her, too. Like, ain't nothing... don't know. If I'm robbing, I'm just in there fucking shit up. Because I could go home and leave. Ain't none of these people offering.
01:26:35
Speaker
All the... Yeah, nah. I think she should've just left and stayed gone. The fact that she came back at the end threw me for a loop. The fact that Quentin ended up with Shelby and threw me for a loop. i was just like, this... I wrote it at the end. My last notes for this movie was ah wild sequence of events.
01:26:52
Speaker
And with the electric slide... It's a fucking mess. Classic, classic. Like, we're all happy. Like, no, we're not. Like, it's just not happening. Sounds like a family reunion.
01:27:04
Speaker
but A typical Black family reunion. Like, it's everybody is having a good time. People start drinking. Remember what you said last time? It's like, uh, time to go. It's time to fucking go.
Recasting 'The Best Man' and Arts Education Decline
01:27:40
Speaker
If the best man was cast today, who plays Harper? Harper? Will Smith. Will Smith?
01:27:50
Speaker
No one's going to take him to the late 20s, nigga, late 20s. Right. I don't even know now. I think the old people are... I don't know. i don't know. We can skip Harper. We go to Lance. Michael Jordan is Lance.
01:28:04
Speaker
I can see that. Michael Jordan is Lance. e Keke Palmer is Jordan. Keke Palmer is Jordan. Yes. That's so funny. Issa Rae is Robin. You know who's Jordan? is Sorry, I got to take it back.
01:28:17
Speaker
Who? Tiana Taylor is Jordan. Tiana Taylor. I can see that. I can see that, though. I don't know. Tiana Taylor, Byron, like, no. Well, no, not ATO. Yeah. Yeah, I can see her. All right, fine, fine, fine.
01:28:31
Speaker
She could be shit. The other guy with the blue eyes, Michael E. Early. Michael. Oh, yeah. Who's you old? You're like 50. Is he? Yeah. Oh. He in that class. Well, who's the new light-skinned, pretty-eyed nigga? Aaron something.
01:28:46
Speaker
Isn't Aaron? Yeah, you got a Taylor's Pierre. Yeah, that's Mufasa. Aaron. Pierre. There we go. That's Mufasa. Exactly. Put him in there because we, like, that's the day we had a lot of- Taylor could be Regina King's character. Yes, she could be. She could be the stripper. She could be the stripper. She got the body. That scene would go crazy.
01:29:05
Speaker
Okay. So who's Lance? Oh, you said um my Michael Jordan. Michael Jordan's Lance. Who is... Zayn could be Mia, like the little innocent girl. Yeah. Yeah, Zayn could be Mia. Who is... Quentin. Aaron Pierre.
01:29:23
Speaker
The asshole? fear because I mean, how many light-skinned niggas are pretty hard we got nowadays? We don't have as many we used to back in the day. there wasn't no light-skinned people, but, um, but Territour. Oh, yeah, that's Quentin. I'm thinking of Harper.
01:29:37
Speaker
Yeah, that's Quentin. No, we had a bunch of them back in the day, i feel like. No, Quentin, um, and Pierre can't be Quentin. Why? Is he, like, a nice guy or something? Yeah, would be Harper more. ah so he ain't shit. Okay. He ain't shit.
01:29:50
Speaker
Noted. um man you can get the light skin boy from him to be Quaid. See, I never saw him. I don't even know young actors at this point. That's what I'm saying. I don't know any of the young actors.
01:30:03
Speaker
Because like i this movie was in a time where like we had an elite class of black actors. where like they like Most of these people worked but together before.
01:30:13
Speaker
They worked together after this. We had elite black directors, black writers. right Given the black experience from like different... different perspective perspectives. Like look at Friday compared to this. like These are all like uppy elites, professionals, probably just niggas in the hood. right But they still encompass the black experience that we all experience because they're all still relatable.
01:30:41
Speaker
But don't think we have like a class of known actors now because Actors come a dime a dozen. yeah They get one movie and then they become an influencer and that's all they care about now that's what makes them more smile. Well, maybe for us because we're older.
01:30:56
Speaker
Yeah, maybe right. Maybe the younger generation is like, yeah they point all that shit out from the team. Like, yo, this person. But now it's like, the way Hollywood is going, like, you have to be an influencer. Like, this they cast people by follower numbers and shit.
01:31:12
Speaker
Like, they weren't doing that back in the day. It was all straight talent. Same shit with music. That shit's trash. Yeah, like, and the and the music and the actors, like, they're not the best as they were back in the day, like the talent level is like- It's more a popularity contest. Yeah.
01:31:28
Speaker
Yeah. And who's going to sell? You sell them up for popularity. Exactly. Like, even if you look at the award shows, I'd be like, i know my mom used to be like, well, who is that? Who is that? But at least like, they wind up being like people these are like mainly influencers. Like, right yeah, but what do you do besides like dance on TikTok? Not saying there's nothing wrong with that, but it's like, there's not a lot of talent based people where we can like refer to like, oh, you know them, they was in such and such or they do such and such. It's just like, oh, well they they be on TikTok.
01:31:56
Speaker
Like some of these TikTok people be having 10, 12, 13 million followers. And like, well, like what do they do? what are they doing? It's like, oh no, they just make TikTok. I'm like, But who are you But who are you? Like, what do what's your talent?
01:32:11
Speaker
TikToks. And that's all you got to do is, like, get on TikTok. And i I hate to say because i always feel so old, like, but... And I'm like, I sound like my mom. I'm always like, who is that?
01:32:23
Speaker
Who is that on the Facebook? That's how I know. Yeah, that's how I feel. But it's like, I probably understand more. But I feel like that's more with music now. But with actors, it's not like...
01:32:36
Speaker
I can't scale it. There's not a lot young longevity actors. Yeah, I don't think there's a new way of... Before, they would come up as a kid on a show, and then they'd transition to movies and stuff. It would be like...
01:32:48
Speaker
go with the dream with them. Now it's just like one or two, three movies people are in and then like you never really see them again. It's the microwave society. Yeah, 100%. They're killing the arts.
01:32:58
Speaker
They are, it's sad. And like they don't even teach the arts in school like they used to. I was telling um the boys, we had music class and we had to sing songs, play xylophone. You had to know the music notes. Like And we didn't have a choice.
01:33:12
Speaker
Like you had to know it to pass the class or you failed. They don't do that kind of stuff anymore. they They took out home ec and all like all the artsy stuff. you they don't They don't have that in school. Like you have to go to a school that probably specializes in it.
01:33:27
Speaker
Or if they teach it to you, they have to teach it to you. is It's just, it's different. It's not the same it's not the same at all. Yeah. But that's another story from another guy. That's why we got to keep these discussions alive so that we can let the new generation know what they're missing out on because times are different.
01:33:44
Speaker
They have no idea. They have YouTube and they that's what they watch. I mean, I watch YouTube too. so I can't lie. i love story times, but they don't know anything outside of that. Go back the movies! The movies are at home now. They release the movie then next week. It's like...
01:34:02
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Movie at home, on demand. That's killing movies. That's killing the movies. I used to love going to the movies. Definitely take my stock. They're still there. They're still there.
01:34:13
Speaker
Yeah, but... It is nice. Every now and then. Every now and then, yeah. On Tuesdays when it's half price, I got five people my family. Yeah, the price is also what's going on in movies. Yeah, like, it's ridiculous.
01:34:24
Speaker
And I go to the Dallas level before I even enter the movies because... Snacks on deck. Snacks on deck. probably about to pay $20, $30.
01:34:33
Speaker
but Five of us? No. We get a big popcorn. We get all our, we get our juice. We get our snacks. Nehemiah almost got us caught one time. Oh, goodness. Those fucking kids. no Do we lie? You want me to lie about it? Just don't say anything.
01:34:50
Speaker
Just carry it inside. What if they ask me? They're not going to ask you, Nehemiah. You're a kid. Nobody's going to say anything to you, actually. Now you're making weird. Yeah, like, so we're stealing because we're not buying.
01:35:02
Speaker
Take this damn it in the damn movie theaters.
01:35:11
Speaker
So I think that at the end of the day, all all they all was trash. there was allage They was all trash. They were just trash in different ways. tra My final note is no matter how long you've been friends with somebody, your live will get cut the fuck off.
01:35:25
Speaker
Anytime. Anytime. Yeah. You can't get so comfortable if you treat your friends bad. Like, well, we've been friends for 25 years. That's a wild secret to character. for that Sometimes things, it's not even how they treat you, but if they treat other people a certain way, they might treat you a certain way. You might not know how they treat you.
01:35:45
Speaker
But some people be fucked up. No kidding. You don't know it until later on in life. Yeah. but What a way to find out right before your wedding. Yeah. Well, you can find out in the best man holidays. See how the friendship progresses over the years. Oh my gosh.
01:36:04
Speaker
Is it worth it? like Because you know much there was- The best man holidays is a little bit better. Because you know there's Why Did I Get Married? And was good. And then Why Did I Get Married 2? And that was okay. Then it's like the last one is like, why you even make this?
01:36:16
Speaker
Yeah, they went a little crazy. Yeah, it went little crazy. Like they went off like, Why Did Get Married is good. Yves Bayou is also, it's like a classic. That's my favorite. I'm talking about Tyler Perry movies. No, I know. No, talking about Eve's Bayou. Oh yeah, that's old school. If you haven't seen it, go see it. It's great.
01:36:35
Speaker
It's crazy, but... It is weird movie. It's a weird movie, and I've watched so many breakdowns of it to try to see. That's movie I've watched countlessly, and I even watched it as an adult, and I'm still like, what the fuck was a tribute?
01:36:53
Speaker
Like, was the dad really crazy and nasty? Or was the daughter lying? like Well, maybe you can say that for a different podcast. Nah, nah. This is it.
01:37:04
Speaker
This is it. One and done. One and done. Well, I appreciate you guys coming through. This was an amazing discussion. The best man. I would recommend it. I think we all recommend it here in this room.
01:37:16
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Yeah. Lots of messy lessons learn. Lots messy lessons.
01:37:21
Speaker
Once again, Mikey, Ty, E-Rock, thank you so much for joining us for another amazing discussion. Thanks for having us. Thank you for having Thank you.
01:37:30
Speaker
you. Please join us next time for a new guest, old movies, and the uncomfortable truths we uncover along the way. With that being said, stay focused, stay motivated, love one another. Have a great fucking day.
01:37:45
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Yay! And we're out.