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Ep 62 - Forest in the title race as playtime over for Wolves
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James, Stuart, and Marley discuss the win against Wolves, the attitude of the neutral towards Forest, why Jarrod Bowen is better than Bukayo Saka and more.
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Transcript
Introduction & Guest Mood
00:00:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello and welcome to the Daily Forest Podcast. Here to talk with me, Stuart, about whether forests are in the title race or not. First of all is the returning James. James, how are you?
00:00:20
James Rigby
um all Alright mate, yeah much better for the the cracking win last night, but I'm sure we'll get there.
Game Atmosphere & Setup
00:00:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
And there to witness it in Marley New in person was Marley. Marley, how are you doing today? Were you able to sleep last night? Talk to us a bit about your experience at Marley New.
00:00:37
Marley
Uh, the experience was well, it was great because we won three nil and Taiwan won a finally scoring a goal. Morgan gives white getting the Molyneux goal.
00:00:48
Marley
He's been craving in that forest shirt.
00:00:50
James Rigby
Bye.
00:00:51
Marley
Um, obviously, obviously it could have been better simply because the away end at Molyneux is awful and it's impossible to get an atmosphere going. Even the middle of the singing, the left is thinking, or the right is singing.
00:01:03
Marley
You don't, yeah it's very hard to get the whole way and singing together at the same time because, honestly, by the time the right-hand side of the stand has picked up the channel and realised it's happening, the left-hand side has already finished it.
00:01:16
Marley
So that kind of puts it down on the
00:01:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a weird, along the side of the pitch stand, the volunteer way, and it's not the behind the goal end as it is typically in away stadiums. Um, but the home crowd, I think they started off what we heard on the TV. They started off noisily in the first few minutes only until they were silenced seven minutes in by, by more than gives white. Um, just quickly before we come to that goal, do we need to discuss the team section at all? Like I don't have any, any issues with it at all. I don't have anything anything to say apart from it was the right team.
00:01:52
James Rigby
It was standard, wasn't it? The only Yates didn't return or returned from suspension to the bench. and But yeah, standard back four that we we go with, the Ems and Williams um and Aina. Then you've got yeah Dominguez and and Anderson. Anderson's passed for the first goal. um Totally unexpected.
Gibbs White's Performance
00:02:12
James Rigby
The the direction he went in, you know that that pass,
00:02:16
James Rigby
um made it deserved the goal and then yeah but the the front three with all the the three attacking midfielders and wingers with wood up front ah so yeah no problem
00:02:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
mary What did that opening goal look like from from your side on view in in the stadium? So it came, and I know it was only a few minutes in, but it came against the run of play with a a classic counter attack. Talk to us about what it looked like from your vantage point.
00:02:51
Marley
Yeah, Morgan Gibbs-White had received the ball two or three times already at that point in the game. There had been a very, very loud chorus of boos from every corner in the Molyneux each time I received the football and a very loud chorus of boos from the away end when they sang a particular chant, which I will not mention.
00:03:08
James Rigby
About his mum.
00:03:10
Marley
but No, his misses.
00:03:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was about the mum of his kid, wasn't it?
00:03:14
James Rigby
It was about Summit Personal and I was ready to flipping get in the car and get down there myself.
00:03:14
Marley
Yeah, his girlfriend.
00:03:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
no
00:03:19
James Rigby
Bleeding Nora.
00:03:20
Marley
Yeah, it's... is bang out of order and I would have been well in the mood to sort it out myself but there wasn't really any Wools fans to sort it out with after the game, they're all at home.
00:03:30
James Rigby
They're all left on 75 minutes.
00:03:32
Marley
But yeah, it was ah it was a very toxic atmosphere towards them at that point, Gibbs White picks up the ball, Lebouz the chance and then he sticks it in the back of the goal net and fingers are in his ears and I'll be honest, I didn't hear a word from the Wools fans the rest of that game.
00:03:49
James Rigby
but they They did try about 20 minutes later to start booing him again, and then we scored again. And I think they realized that when they boo, we score. It became like ah but i don't know a superstitious thing, so they were all really quiet. But he shut them up best way he could, and i I was so glad that he did. When he was running in with the ball and he passed it to the right, to Alanga, I just so hoped that Alanga didn't shoot, and I just saw Gibbs White Pause his run, took a step back as he got in the 18-yard box, let the defenders carry on towards a goal, created the space, it la slips it back to him and just beautiful shot into the bottom right-hand corner. Did take a slight deflection off the centre back, but all credit to Gibbs White for that because, you know, just amazing composure, especially as you say, when you you could probably be quite upset by
00:04:41
James Rigby
One, the fact that a club that you probably gave a lot to and have a great affinity with and because of your past with them turning on you like that, a group of fans turning on you. And two, because of the things they were saying from the stands. So, you know, it was just great that he channeled that and stuck it to him.
00:05:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, do we think this might be the end of this? Woolsfern's having a go at Gibbs White going forward because they should realize that that's exactly what Morton Gibbs White thrives on. I mean, some of Gibbs White's less successful games to forest. I mean, there's quiet, sometimes city-ground 3pm kickoffs, but there's not much happening in the crowd but when there are times when together a ball, they do a Tfoe for him when the back is his back is really against the wall.
00:05:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's what brings out the get the best in Gibbs White.
00:05:31
James Rigby
Thank you.
00:05:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've seen that a lot of times this season already.
00:05:36
James Rigby
Guys, look at um the playoffs semi-final for Sheffield United when he played for Sheffield United. Yeah, he missed the penalty on purpose to get us through to the final. Fantastic. But when he came out in the second half and they were down and he looks across to the bench and he gives it the whole the whole like muscles and he's obviously being pumped up in there.
00:05:59
James Rigby
the back room and he turned the game around for them and yeah it was almost bad for us but it's that sort of kind of back to the wall mentality that like you say thrives on.
00:06:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
And how do you how do do you think Marley, his partnerships in the team are working together?
00:06:11
Marley
Yeah.
00:06:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because, I mean, it is him and Chris Wood at times playing as ah as a front too, but equally at times, he's exchanging with Dominguez and Anderson. and Sometimes he's one of the furthest. You feel this back, do you think that just shows how good and talented he is as a player, that he can, his heat map from a ah game must be all over the place.
00:06:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
But that's it's intelligence, right? That's not him. running around like a headless chicken at every, where it's upfield or downfield, it's all very considered, very measured, would would would you agree?
00:06:47
Marley
Yeah, it's like he's got a really good relationship with Chris Wood, really good understanding of him. He always knows where he's going to be to play him the ball and to get it into the best areas for Woody at the best times we can scored a goal he's got a really good relationship with Alanga as well I think Alanga not only do they understand each other they know where each other are going to be to play the ball between them at the right time but he also knows exactly exactly what the goal meant to Gibbs White Alanga did as well because I think he would have wanted to shoot in that situation but I think it went through his head just before he hit the ball like hang on a minute Molyneux Morgan Chan pass and
00:07:24
James Rigby
Yeah.
Game Progress & Fan Reaction
00:07:26
Marley
You can see that the ah the whole team was happy for him as well because Aina had his fingers it up to his ears as well. I think Anderson did it.
00:07:34
James Rigby
yeah I had a... ah I was confused at first when he scored because it he kind of ran towards the home fans as if he was not going to celebrate because he put his hands kind of down by his waist and was making that pushing down side as in everyone calmed down, you know what I mean?
00:07:57
James Rigby
And um I think he was it was more to stop our players kind of smothering him because he won he wanted to get to the front of the stands
00:08:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jumping on him.
00:08:07
James Rigby
with the home fans and right in front of them stick his fingers in his ears and i was just like man the house are you there to get them back for for what they've been saying that's fantastic
00:08:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, like in the home game against.
00:08:16
Marley
He even pointed to his A, even pointed to his A when he was running past.
00:08:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, the home games was last year, last year as well, where um he was like separating the forest players and he put his finger up as if to say, ah hold on, wait a minute. then he took turned and did the finger in his ears thing.
00:08:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
So yeah, I think it's his pantomime, I mean, that last season it was one of the few few things we had to had to look forward to. It's a game against Wolves, at least we have a ah bit of spice, but now I think the rivalry with Wolves might be over because we we're on the up and ne they're going to go down.
00:08:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
We won't play them again for a few years. Is that the feeling if the feeling you got Marley?
00:08:50
James Rigby
all
00:08:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Was that the Wolves resigned to going down? Or do you think they showed ah enough during the game that they might might stay up ahead of ahead of it, which
00:09:02
Marley
You know what? I feel like midway through that game was when they resigned themselves to the fact they were relegated. I think it had a real feel like that to it because at the start of the game, they felt like they had a fighting atmosphere. they They were ready to come out fighting, continue this ride of a highway for honeymoon period, a new manager bounce. And like they were going to have it in for Forrester today, but midway through the game, it kind of, the atmosphere just felt completely flat. Wolves, it seemed they felt they weren't in the game anymore. They were beaten.
00:09:29
Marley
the new manager balance was over and it hadn't lasted long enough for them to get much out of it so they were going to go down if i'm honest that is my personal opinion as well i think now that we've beaten them
00:09:36
James Rigby
Well, I'm going to say, I'm going to say they'll stay up if Stranlarson can figure out where the corners of the goal are because and he'd have, it's been one, one, maybe two, three minutes after um gives us why it's goal, Strenlarson, a cross comes in, Wolves' plan last night was clearly to go down the wings as the same crosses in, that's where they thought um our weakness was, I don't know why, um but one came in across the floor and
00:10:09
James Rigby
past Sells and from maybe three four yards out he shot and who was in front of him but the wall that is Marillo and who managed to clear it with his left boot and and make the goal line clearance and then later on in the game in the second half again to make it 1-1 Strenlarson cross comes in header this time point blank pretty much two yards off the line and but you you chris wood Chris Wood would have just absolutely smashed it into the goal.
Key Player Contributions
00:10:42
James Rigby
and But he just hit it straight into the center of the goal and who was there, myself, who you'd expect to be there. So they they did have their chances. um And in that first half, their XG was over 1.8. And that's more XG than we give to any team. I think it's the most any team's had against us.
00:11:04
James Rigby
in this season um and they had it in the first half and we we wrote it and then the sucker punch the real sucker punch was the second goal that came again totally against play at the end of the second half. and At the point I was thinking i about you guys that we just needed to get to halftime.
00:11:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, I think that the time wolves were on top of things, were not on top of things, but their time in the game was when it was one year old, between the 15th and 35th, 40th minutes of the game.
00:11:24
Marley
Yeah.
00:11:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's when they had some of their chances. As you said, it did require some heroic defending and saves from Murillo and Sells to keep out Strandalarsen. But then it did appear to be that it was a tale of two strikers when the game was still in the knife edge. Marley, it was that man again, Chris Wood, who showed why he is a legitimate contender for Premier League Player of the Season.
00:11:59
Marley
yeah it was um it was a weird time when the goal went in because obviously walls have been on the ascendancy we made a few uncharacteristic mistakes a rare mistake from Elliot Anderson tried to flick it into the center of the pitch but Dominguez all gives white went straight through to an attacker and a rare mistake from Marillo giving the ball away which at the time i thought hang on is he actually fit if we rushed him into the team when he should have been rested um but then all of a sudden i was thinking right We're not even going to see off-timing. It's going to be 1-1. Wolves are getting a crucial-minute goal. Hutton did pick the ball up right in front of me and drove down the wing. he had Whoever the centre-back was on toast, the centre-back could not keep up with him. He got in behind, pulled it back, and who was there? The man, Chris Wood, who is... Honestly, his positioning and his run timing is perfect. The way you saw he stopped his run, he was running in and then just suddenly stopped around the penalty spot area, which
00:12:58
Marley
He knows where to be. He knows that if he carries on running, the defenders stick with him, the court back will be under hit or over hit. Whereas if he stops there, perfect place to receive the ball and the defenders will carry on running.
00:13:10
Marley
So he'll just have a free hit on goal. Perfect knowledge.
00:13:12
James Rigby
same as Gibbs White on the first one. just It's that maturity, isn't it? Not to just keep running at the goal and be like, it me, me, me, and then almost run into the back of the goal with the defenders.
00:13:22
Marley
Football IQ. Football IQ.
00:13:25
James Rigby
Yeah, football IQ, absolutely.
00:13:26
Marley
Football IQ.
National Team Prospects
00:13:28
James Rigby
You know what? I think the Two of the big winners from yesterday were Gibbs White and Hudson Adoy because and the performance that both of them put on Hudson Adoy in that goal as you were saying when he went to the line it's not just about sprinting as fast as you can with the balls to the line but then it's it's been able to do something with it at the end And like you say, he'd busted a gut, he'd run half the length of the pitch, and carrying the ball. He'd he'd curled in. and He was pretty much on the line, and nine times out of ten, I'd say players end up running out of room and going out for a... a goal kick or trying to win a corner. And the the pass that he managed to play to Wood, because it it wasn't just blasted, it wasn't just stick it in there anywhere. Like you said, Wood had backed off, he'd let the centre backs run off him. And you you see yeah Hudson and Doyle look up and just flick it through. Unreal. Yeah. and And the reason they're the big winners is because Thomas Tuchel
00:14:33
James Rigby
um was there at the stadium, the new England manager. um And the funny thing was, Gibbs White, in the interview afterwards, he was asked what it meant to perform like that in front of Two Corn, and that was the first he'd heard of Two Corn being there, and the smile on his face um to know that the England manager had been there whilst he'd played such ah an amazing game. It was a sight to see.
00:14:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
but also After this short break, we'll talk about the end of those two is England chances, because they you didn't um we also need to mention, James, how good Huzler-Doy was in the third goal, so we'll have a quick break and then we'll go on for some England chats.
00:15:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
So James, in an episode Marley and myself did, or Marley and me, I could have opened goal there. And after Marley and me did last week, I think it was, um I said, Hudson and Doy wasn't going to be anywhere near the England team to who didn't pick him that much. It's been an overstated their relationship. But I think yesterday I've always been proved wrong straight away in that first game.
00:16:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
With Tougal in charge, Hudson-Adoy had one of his best games for us, the assist for the second goal we've already discussed. Some great defensive work throughout the game, I think, as well. And then, his again, his intelligence for that third goal. The ball was played towards Taiwo, but Hudson-Adoy anticipated the bounce, so overtook him on the left, got it, found Ward Prowse within, found Taiwo. So do you think Hudson and Doi could get into into the England team, and if not, then what more in its game does the need to do to impress Touhou the next time he's watching the virus?
00:16:39
James Rigby
I think he couldbook i think there's there's competition on the wings. I think that there there is opportunity there out on the wings, especially um on the left-hand side, because who who do we play there at the minute?
00:16:53
James Rigby
Rashford's not doing anything. Foden, they tried that and it just didn't work. He needs to be in the middle. um Who else goes out there? Palmer's in the middle.
00:17:04
James Rigby
You've got Bellingham in the middle.
00:17:04
Marley
I think his biggest competition on the wings at the minute are left side Anthony Gordon, right side Jared Bowen.
00:17:10
James Rigby
Gordon. Yeah, Gordon, no, no, and like Bowen's good, but I think Hudson or i bowing out and possibly Gordon ahead of him. But I do think that the list of winners is a lot shorter than the list of number 10s that Gibbs White's up against. and So I do think Hudson and I's possibly got more of a chance um of getting in as a a squad player to the England set up than Gibbs White does at the moment.
00:17:42
Marley
I think in 2026, if we take Hudson and Doy, Bowen, and I'm going to say, um you know what, I'm going to say Gordon, and I'm going to say Sancho as our wingers to the World Cup, we'll win it.
00:17:57
Marley
We've came through the middle, Anderson and Rice behind.
00:17:58
James Rigby
Not my bracket.
00:18:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not Bakai Asaka, he's saying Jared Bowen had a Bakai Asaka.
00:18:06
James Rigby
Come on lad, what are you smoking?
00:18:07
Marley
Yes, I am.
00:18:08
James Rigby
What are you smoking?
00:18:09
Marley
I think Bowen has And I'm going to get clowned online for saying this. I personally think Bowen has more to his game than Bukai Osaka does.
00:18:19
James Rigby
Oh my gosh, where's the off button?
00:18:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, this is this is this isn't even daily West Ham, but we're tipping Bowen as being better than Bakai Asaka.
00:18:22
James Rigby
What?
00:18:23
Marley
Now Bowen can...
00:18:25
Marley
Bowen,
00:18:26
James Rigby
What are you talking about Willis?
00:18:30
Marley
Jared Bowen can move around the area, he can drop back, he can drop in the center. He can score goals. Saka's goals all come from around the edge of the penalty area when he just unleashes the wheelchair.
00:18:42
James Rigby
Yeah but he scores, he scores lots.
00:18:46
Marley
Yeah, but I just think sometimes what we need in England is a winger who can chip it in the middle of the pitch in the penalty area and Saka isn't that winger. He's your pacey winger who can create stuff down the wing and can produce a world-class moment of magic.
00:19:01
Marley
Bowen offers more to England. Saka's a better player.
00:19:04
James Rigby
What why why do we need like anything in the middle when we've got world-class players like Bellingham, Gibbs, White, Foden and well Foden's not amazing right now but we've we've got Cole Palmer and all those in the middle you know everyone you know find your place and stick to it get out on the wing and
00:19:04
Marley
Bowen's better in an England way.
Goals, Celebrations & Expectations
00:19:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes, I think this is our number one tangent. We're doing a review of a forest win against walls. We still need to talk about are we in the time to race and we're all good about whether Jared Bowen will win the World Cup for England.
00:19:33
James Rigby
No, I keep us. I do do.
00:19:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that's it.
00:19:38
James Rigby
Do the third goal and then we can moan about everyone who doesn't know what the definition of a race is.
00:19:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
And so for me, the third goal, as we just said, the Hudson and the Doys, wing play was excellent, the defensive clearance was excellent, and even Ward-Prowse had the vision to square it, I wanted you to get that tap in as well. I think the best thing about the goal was definitely that that reaction.
00:20:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
and then everyone on the pitch, everyone left in the stadium. ah I'm sure all the Wolves fans have gone home, so everyone left in the stadium. It was of a far forest persuasion. They were so delighted to see Taiwo have to do a difficult season with injuries and just not getting the break.
00:20:12
Marley
Thank you.
00:20:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
And he got that goal and it was really, really heartwarming to see just how happy everyone was falling.
00:20:18
James Rigby
Yeah.
00:20:19
Marley
Yeah, I think, I think the general feeling around the away end, when Tyro came on, every time I touched the ball was, please, we really want Tyro to get a goal. And ah when War Prowse got the ball, everyone around me was just gasping like, square it, square it, don't shoot. So when the ball went in, it was an outpour of relief from Tyro from the team and from the fans. um A lot of celebration, obviously, as well. And it showed a lot ah when before the full-time whistle was even blown at the end of the game.
00:20:46
Marley
Alanga was racing quicker than he'd run during the game onto the pitch to rugby tackle Taiwan. It was immense.
00:20:52
James Rigby
yeah
00:20:55
James Rigby
No, is it was unreal.
00:20:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's
00:20:57
James Rigby
light He gets his little cameo at the end um you know to try and keep him fit, keep him going. um And the amount of times in the last few games when you've just been like, oh, come on, get one.
00:21:08
James Rigby
you know And he's shot into the side netting and things like that. and to get that goal was unreal and i'll bet if he keeps if he keeps doing these cameos and and get in fact if i were him i'd prefer this do your cameos get a couple more goals maybe end the season with four or five goals but then if you've only played like 180 minutes your minutes per goal is going to be amazing pound for pound you'll be one of the best strikers in the premier league this season so you know there's silver linings right there
00:21:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
He minutes the goal is a thing looking very, very good.
00:21:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Definitely, and let's hope we'll get a hat-trick on on the weekend against a struggling Luton side in the Cup. We'll be sure to get a few minutes there in the f FA Cup. So we'll just play our their second advert and then we can spend the rest of the time shouting at any Jamie Carragher's or everyone who's listening as to why forests are in the title of race.
Title Race Discussion
00:22:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
So if I'm not mistaken, those adverts were read out by Jesse Marley from the Liverpool podcast. So you had a and a nice exchange with last week. um So for me, i'll I'll start by saying the game on Tuesday, how can it not be considered a title decider? And I don't mean that if we win the game, we're going to win the league. What I mean is if we lose the game, because we're Liverpool's nearest challenges, it means Liverpool could when then go on to streak to the title. It's what I think.
00:23:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
the for the whole Premier League season as a whole. If Forest win, we've still got a chance for the title race, the title race is still open. If we as Liverpool's post challenges lose, then Liverpool might might gallop ahead of of everybody. So what's your thoughts? Is it is it a must win for us in our title right hopes, James, or what what's your thoughts on the possible outcomes for Tuesday's match?
00:23:37
James Rigby
and Well, us and Arsenal are on the same amount of points, aren't we? Arsenal have got the ah the goal difference. So, you know what? um Firstly, I'm annoyed at Sky Sports.
00:23:49
James Rigby
No surprise there. But, Kieran Tierney, one of the pundits on the game, current Fulham player, right? Pundit on ah two opposition teams, which, you know,
00:24:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, correcto Marley, I can see you. Best day of bursting too.
00:24:04
Marley
It was Tom Canning.
00:24:05
James Rigby
Fulham, Fulham must have been well whatever his name is, right?
00:24:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:24:12
James Rigby
how He got to the point after the game where they they said to him, so what what is it, a forest in a title race? And he practically laughed. He was like, but no, no, come on, come on, Karago, silly, isn't it? Forest can't be in a title race, does it? Because he's never going to admit that a team that came up with him, whilst Fulham aren't really pulling up trees, are going to be in a title race. When when they look at the trajectory,
00:24:38
James Rigby
ah full of Fulham who'd had Premier League football ah much more recently than us when they came up with us.
00:24:42
Marley
oh
00:24:44
James Rigby
Fulham and Bournemouth were doing well and Forrest this season just shot past everyone. Of course he's not going to admit we're in a title race. But then all the other media going with it, talk sport, no they're not in a title race.
00:24:55
James Rigby
so they'll If they get top four that'll be amazing, yeah it will be amazing. But guys, please, please, if we're not in the title race, the title's over.
00:25:05
James Rigby
Because we're on the same amount of points as Arsenal in second, so they're not in it. We're on more points than Chelsea in fourth, so they're not in it. you know And then you can go down the list. Five points out of Newcastle, well they're clearly not in it. Six points out of Man City. So if we're not in it, who is in it? Have you know we just given it to Liverpool? Is that what we're saying?
00:25:27
Marley
Honestly, if I'm completely honest, and I wouldn't be surprised if it is a case of there isn't a title race. The title's finished already because Liverpool look unstoppable. They genuinely do. And I'm not just saying that because I want to be humble. Liverpool look unstoppable. I'm shocked we beat them. The only thing that gives me any and he back into there might be a title race, Liverpool might fall off is the fact that they've They're still yet to play away to a lot of the teams around them in the top six, whereas we've already played all of them away.
00:26:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
um especially us, you can say.
00:26:02
James Rigby
Yeah.
00:26:03
Marley
Yeah.
00:26:03
James Rigby
Well, my thing isn't that I think we're going to win the title. I have no expectation that we're going to win the title. I have no expectation we' we're even going to be in the top half of the league this season.
00:26:17
James Rigby
So this is great. My issue is the blatant disrespect from pretty much everyone to just say, ah, no, it's not even Forrest, it's not an entire race.
00:26:28
James Rigby
Lester won it a few seasons ago. In fact, I just saw a headline saying that Forrest are on the same amount of points at this point in the season as Lester were at this point in the season when they won it. So what's what's the problem, guys?
00:26:41
James Rigby
They were going on about um how many points we need to get from the next and half of the season and different things and that we'll we'll never get 40 points again in the next 20 games and and stuff like that. And I'm like, we've got them in this half of the season. Why can't we get it in the other half of the season? Because they're like, oh, you know it's the top off teams in the top half of the table that they lose to, that they draw with.
00:27:06
James Rigby
but From the teams in the bottom half of the table, we've only dropped two points. We've beat all of them. We dropped two points against Wolves at the beginning of the season.
00:27:17
James Rigby
That's 28 points out of 30 that we won there. So you're telling me that if we do that again in the second half of the season, and we've already beat Wolves, so that's 30 points.
00:27:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
an improvement on the first half, yeah.
00:27:32
James Rigby
10 points from the other eight or nine clubs in the league. Well, I think that's possible. I think we can do another 40 points and end on 80-ish. I mean, guys, come on. Yeah, it's just disrespectful. They won't be saying it about Chelsea, they won't be saying it about City, and they're certainly not saying it about Arsenal, are they? So, wind your neck in, you bunch of donkey dangling dungers.
00:28:00
Marley
Yeah, honestly, um on the links between us and the 2015-16 Leicester 15 team, I've seen a lot of people comparing us, a lot of Leicester fans saying, ah, no, for us to know I never seen we were that season, our players were all better. But what I don't understand is, honestly, all their players, let's say in a better than ours, weren't anything at the time. They weren't anything at the time. But since then, because they won the Premier League, but they it would found out they were good and they went on to have good careers.
00:28:29
Marley
most of them outside of Leicester City. The two things I want to say is that I won. Honestly, what's to say our players weren't going to have good careers, maybe even at Forest. What's to say our players weren't eventually become as good. but You've got to remember these players are saying aren't as good as your players Leicester fans. They're only 22, 23, 21 years old. They will become something. And the second thing is, the Premier League, you can't deny it wasn't as good then as it is now. There wasn't as much quality. There's only one other season between 2010 and now, but that point Sally Leicester got would have won them the Premier League.
00:28:59
Marley
So if I honestly believe that that also affects the results, if we were plugged into the Premier League that season, as we are now, we would have breezed the league because the quality we've got is higher than the quality Leicester had then. We're playing better. Much better.
00:29:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, we could, as you say, we could end up finishing second or third with more points than Leicester won the league with that year, because as you're right, Leicester didn't have a Liverpool equivalent running away with things. So I think that is, as you say, it's the difference between us and them. I mean, they still had some of their way more of their championship promotion players in their squad. We, of course, only have Yates still hanging around, but most of their team, an exception of Conte, I think,
00:29:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
and one or two others had been with them in the championship, which is possibly another difference, but it doesn't matter. that the store the We don't need to, and yeah, like James makes a good point.
00:29:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
Leicester won the leagues. They proved it's possible for a non-Big Six team to win the league, but we we don't need to look at comparisons. We're nothing in the forest. We've got the history of Brian Clough. We've been there before.
00:30:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
We've shown that miracles are possible before. Let's just sit enjoy it where we are now and see see how far this goes. We would still now be delighted with the 6th or 7th.
00:30:11
James Rigby
Yeah.
00:30:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
will be.
00:30:14
James Rigby
Yeah.
00:30:16
James Rigby
Yeah, and and one more thing, like, everyone, I say everyone's listening to the radio earlier and and they were saying, you know, this is great for the Premier League because it's showing that it's no longer a ah monopoly, you know, you don't have to be one of the big six in order to be up there and fighting it, showing the teams further down the league and that you can,
00:30:39
James Rigby
Get promoted and you can do this and I just want to say.
Challenges for Non-Big Six Clubs
00:30:43
James Rigby
Yeah, that's that's great. The way it is right now, but what you actually need to show is that teams can do this and they can keep doing this because for one team to kind of have one miracle season.
00:30:56
James Rigby
like Leicester, we're Leicester now, you know what I mean? They weren't able to, I'm not saying it's it's Premier League's fault, they seem to have good owners and different things, but the way that things are set up, if your commercial setup's not right, you've not got the size of of club around you, you can't carry on spending, um you know, once once that one season's worth of money runs out, it's all about the money, you can't sustain it. You can't have that miracle season over and over again,
00:31:26
James Rigby
and because that's exactly what it might have been. and But yeah, it's it's not sustainable um in the Premier League in order to do these things and then keep it going.
00:31:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yeah, the gaps are still so high that even if, like I said, Leicester, they had that one great season. So what did all the big teams do that summer 2016? Man United hired Borinio, Chelsea hired Conte, Liverpool hired Klopp.
00:31:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that one year, they all had spent triple what Leicester did just to get themselves back on top of things.
00:31:57
James Rigby
yeah
00:31:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
So you are right. If We need to take the opportunity of a city having a bad year of Arsenal trying to play the soccer and when they should have signed Jared Bowen, we need to take advantage of Man United being being nowhere, but you're right, it may well be, like with the promotion season, a lot of people were saying, all the factors are in place.
00:32:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah If we don't go up in the playoffs, we aren't even going to make the playoffs next year because Spence won't um it's stay, Johnson won't stay, all the star players won't stay.
00:32:25
James Rigby
Yeah.
00:32:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So promotion was a that now or never type thing. and finishing in the top four or five could be an hour and ever um thing this season as well.
00:32:32
James Rigby
It is because to get out of those leagues, teams give sometimes too much. You know, you can see teams that go, they send the the team bust because they try and spend their way out of the league and they say, we're going to do it all and it's definitely going to work and we're going to be saved by the promotion money. And then you end up like Derby.
00:32:56
James Rigby
and um you know and And then Huddersfield, they were in that same final as us. We went one way, they went the other, unfortunately, maybe. And they're they in league one now.
Humorous Match Anecdote
00:33:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think we should definitely regroup another time just to talk about just what the um implications could be of Forrest breaking into the Premier League elite and in gatecrashing. But we're we're well out of time today. Marley, anything else to say about your trip to Marley New last night?
00:33:27
Marley
Um, yeah, uh, Boldy, uh, if you're listening, reach out. Are you okay? Because you were in a pretty bad state last night. And, um, uh, yeah, I would love to reimburse you by laughing at you even more. For context, there was some bold guy in the, uh, Southbank section of the W- of the Wolves crowd who, um, was giving it very much to Biggan before W-Wong is White's goal.
00:33:55
Marley
and just after Wong is white skull and since that point the whole game was the forest fans giving him all the stick in the world and the police laughing at him
00:34:06
James Rigby
That's amazing.
00:34:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Sounds like a classic away day and I'm sure one that we hope to replicate in the away tier of of the new camp or the Bernabeu next season. Thanks for listening and we'll be back later in the week.