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Daily Forest - Ep 73 - Stuart joins the Daily EPL English Podcast to talk all things Forest!
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Stuart joins Eshan of Daily EPL English Podcast to preview the Exeter match, and to discuss the wider Forest story this season!
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Introduction and Host Debut
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Every club.
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Every club. Every day. The Global Sports Podcast Network. Hello, hello. Welcome, Stuart, to episode 74 of the Daily Premier League podcast in English. How are you, Stuart? How's your Monday night going? Yeah, no, thank you. Thank you you, Sean, for having me. Very excited to be here, making my debut on the daily English EPL podcast. We are looking forward to
Forest vs Exeter: Expected Victory?
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ah chatting to you about all things all things Forest and a bit of FA Cup as well. Yeah, of course. ah Let's just jump straight into it. Exeter Forest, is this simply a run-of-the-mill victory or do we see Exeter actually providing any um opposition of substance?
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um It's is an
Champions League Focus or FA Cup?
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interesting one. I mean, for me, I mean, look, Forest are the highest ranked team left in the competition after Liverpool went down on Saturday against Plymouth. um ah So, I mean, I would be disappointed if we don't win quite straightforward. um Some Forest fans are saying, excuse me, are saying concentrate on the league. We've got a Champions League spot,
Forest's Squad Depth and Transfers
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but for me, it's part of being a Champions League team or a Champions League contender is that you can't be losing against League One, against third-tier opposition. Yes, we'll make 9-10 changes from from our last league game, ah that now famous 7-0 victory over Brighton, but I mean, it's we we have to, in my eyes, it becomes an important game because we have to show, we mean we mean business and we have to show we've got that strength in depth to easily swat aside a third-tier team.
00:01:54
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Yeah, I mean, that's I think that's been one of the most interesting things for me ah from an outside perspective of Forest us is how much strength and depth you've had. I know you've had those um two massive summer windows from previous years where you spent a lot of money. um And yet it's still surprising that a game like this, you're going to be able to facilitate in making changes. So I assume the same. I think it's very run in the mill. Exeter not doing crazy well in League One. they far down the table so not not one since since boxing day i heard today
Strategic Signings and Defensive Strength
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so december that's probably i think about
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ten or so matches ago so yeah yeah i know it's always You can have me too confident, beware the out-of-form League One team, but yeah, you're right, I think Forest have too much for extra. I mean, you mentioned our crazy summer windows of our first two summers back in the Premier League, but this most recent summer, we were really measured and really mature.
00:02:52
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so we only signed really in the summer. I think two players, Elliot Anderson and Nicola Milankovic, they've really improved our 11, which is what you've got to do if you sign so many players. I know there's been lots of jokes perhaps from neutral, such as yourself, on how many there really were. But yeah, we've finally had that really come and measured window. We've added to the 11. As you say, some of those were still hanging around for the previous windows will come in tomorrow night as we record today as you you you guys are listening to this. And we should really quite comfortably I'd like to think, uh, swatter side extra.
00:03:28
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Yeah, yeah. um Not much more to say about that picture. I'm glad you're on the podcast, but that's it'd be a much bigger shock and to me than Plymouth being Liverpool as Nottingham Forest, the way the forest are going. so I mean, yeah, in terms of places it in in the pyramid, as they say. i mean where I think it's a gap instead of just one league gap. Plymouth had already beaten a Premier League opposition in Brentford already this season. So yeah, I think, you're right, it's interesting that you're not interested at all, almost to say it one way, that you as ah as a neutral, as a Manchester United fan, don't see it as being anything exciting, UBC, Forest.
00:04:10
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hoping to get through them so, so quickly. So I'll take that as a compliment. I'll take that as a compliment. Yeah, no. Forest have been one of those teams this season, and we'll talk much more about Forest in this podcast, but I'm sure you're aware of that. They've just been so defensively solid every single game I've watched. And I love watching football, and I'm watching most of the games of the weekend, just watching Forest dismantle teams and such.
00:04:37
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such class and ease. I think Milankovitch and Elie Anderson, to your two summer signings have been some, like, I think specific ah everyone's giving Milankovitch his plaudits and rightfully so. But
Nuno’s Impact and Management Debate
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I love Elie Anderson. i think I think he's a fantastic footballer. And I was moderately surprised that no one was after him, given that he was out a slightly out of favour of Newcastle.
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But he's just slotted in perfect. We really, really lucked out. I mean, it was a ah PSR signing, like they say. I mean, we managed to somehow ship our third-choice keeper, as it says, for Cardamask onto Newcastle. And we've got Elliot Anderson for... for just £15 million pounds when you consider what we made them pay for the Lakota Moss. So steel of the century almost to get Elliott Anderson at that price. um It's been strongly rumoured that Forest at the city ground will host England for the first time in many, many years this summer for a friendly match against Senegal. And we strongly expect to see Elliott Anderson playing for England at the city ground in that match.
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Yeah, he's making a case. I mean, we could talk touch a little on England and the fact that there's so many like budding young talents coming from so many of these teams. I think Bournemouth is another good example where you're you're taking like market value wise average players and but they're playing as such a cohesive unit. And the the way that some of these players are playing, they're playing themselves into England contention, which is a good problem to have, of course.
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Yeah, it really will be interesting to to see who's in, and Thomas Tookall's thoughts. He has, of course, managed in England before, he's he's managed Chelsea. um And yeah, I think he had, but if you look at some of the English players he had at Chelsea, we're talking Tammy Abraham, Mason Mounts. They're going to be nowhere near the the team, of course, unless he goes for a major surprise. So think I think unlikely cars later picked his favorites from the England and the 21s. Thomas Dougal's gonna come in completely with an open mind, with an open book. And yeah, let's ah let's see where, um who was in his his first squad. And I
Season Highlights and Key Performances
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think there will be at least one, at least one forest player. Morgan Gibbs-White ahead of Elliot Anderson, but it could well be both of them.
00:06:54
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yeah Yeah, Morgan gives white. Fantastic. um Touch on Morgan gives white and Nuno's relationship. um so i i Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure Nuno sold Morgan gives white to Forest. Is that correct? Not quite. It's a bit of a gap. So Nuno didn't play gives white that much at Wolves. So he loaned him out to Swansea and Sheffield United in the Championship.
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when he eventually left. um It was Bruno Large, I think the guy's name, if you remember him at at Wolves, Nuno's successor. But you're right, that was one of the first talking points when Nuno came in just over a year or so ago now. ah Because Nuno had barely picked, it's why the Wolves, people thought that would be an issue with him coming in at Forest, but Nuno is a Very professional, very realistic guy. And he straight away said in one of his first interviews, when I was at Wolves, I had this kid called Morgan Gibbs-White. Now I have this man, Morgan Gibbs-White. So he instantly realised that, yes, they hadn't gone on, they hadn't had a good working relationship before, and he'd loaned him out or benched him.
00:08:07
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but he was smart enough to realize and humble enough to realize. That gives why it had matured and that he deserved his place in the team and he's going from strength to strength in in the Garibaldi Red. Love it, love it. A couple other points. um Nuno, when he came in, what were your thoughts on his initial appointment and towards the back end of the last season when you were dealing with the points deduction? How did you feel about him then?
00:08:36
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Yeah, I mean, to be honest, when he first came in, um so the talk was it was a straight fight between Nuno and Oliver Glazner, who ended up at Crystal Palace ah so we for the job. And I was disappointed we and ended up with Nuno. Just from reputations alone, was Nuno after failing at Spurs, he'd been off off in Saudi. And he even, um as Oliver Glazner had, I think, won the Europa League and got Frankfurt and Wolfsburg in Germany to the Champions League. so
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I would definitely prefer it on the glasner and then as the season progressed last year, Forrest never got higher than 17 through his palace, rocketed to 12th, 10th or whatever it was and under glasner. So it certainly did did seem less season in that, although Nuno did just enough to keep us in, it was maybe not the exciting appointment that we would have liked, especially when directly comparing him to on the glasner. and But now, as we said said before, this summer,
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He had his preseason. He had a a really good team bonding camp in Spain. Taught the players his methods. They bought into it. And crucially, it was just those two two extra additions to strength of the team. And yeah, he's hit the ground running this season and now completely in Uno we trust. um I said before that I'd expect 9-10 changes to be made for X-T game. If for some reason he plays with the full strength team, then sure.
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um he's He's got his reasons reasons for doing that. Maybe he he's worried that um they've had too long without a game now. They spent the last week in Dubai.
00:10:11
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So now I can trust Nuno completely, but yes, it's a good question. When he first came in, I was disappointed. and I wouldn't have chosen Nuno. It was my dream, Forest Manager, one year ago. Yeah, just like the Forest players in Dubai, we're going to take a little break right now. this podcast is part of the global sports podcast network the only network bringing you exclusive daily news and views on your premier league team the premier league women's football and fantasy football A unique listening experience that puts fans first, bringing you the very latest breaking news from your team. Subscribe but wherever you get your podcasts and make us your first listen every day. The Global Sports Podcast Network. Every club. Every day.
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ah Just a touch on now 4th amazing season so far. What was the result at the start of the season where you began to take notice? A little more and take it to heart. Yeah, it's it's a ah good question. So the headline victory earlier in the season was the win at Anfield, still the only team to be honest lot at Anfield. ah But that that result, I think it was the sixth game of the season, maybe it was only the fifth. um So that was We weren't dreaming of the Champions League by beating Liverpool because we didn't yet know how good Arnus Lot's team would be and also because it was so early in the season we could say that's just a fluke result. We got lucky, we beat Liverpool, maybe Liverpool will lose next week or the week after. So we didn't know at the time how crucial that that victory would be because we didn't know how good Liverpool were.
00:11:53
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um but So for me, I think when the moment when we thought actually we could do something here, it was the Aston Villa win in early December. um Because although we'd gotten as high as third a few weeks before, we then lost back to back against Arsenal and Man City. For some reason, Forex are the only team who've made Man City look good this year since their bad brand started. um But the important thing about the Aston Villa victory was that we came from behind to win. I think all of our Forests are well known for taking, I think Forests have scored first in 17 of the 24 matches this season, something like that. It might even be 18 or 19 of the 24. So Villa is the only game we've actually come from behind to win. And not only did did that happen, but we went 1-0 down, equalized. That equalizer was ruled out due to VAR. And then we came back again, got the finally got the equalizer in the 90th minute.
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and then won it in 90 plus four or 90 plus five. That game was the um late kickoff on the Saturday because I believe I watched that the week after United lost to Forrest. Yes. Because I was just like praying on the Forrest downfall as you do as a bitter United man. So when Duran scored in the second half, I was I'm so sure that Forest, this is the moment they crumble. I've
Player Form and Future Speculations
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also given that Aston Villa's credential is to hold leads. They've been typically fantastic about that. Unai Emery coaches the sides very well. But when I was going into those last 10 minutes, you felt the wave of pressure, not just from the fans, but through the Villa players, which I don't think happens very often. It was very interesting to see, like especially after the the
00:13:44
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The Disallowed Equalizer, that's the exact, like, pop-a-balloon moment that... Oh, definitely, yeah. That's the fact that it didn't pop the balloon is perfectly... That was the point when... I believe Anthony Alenga also starred that game. Just to touch on him, him in a United shirt was fantastic. But there always seemed to be, like, a lack of efficacy from his runs. Like, you'd make a great run, but, like, not deliver the final ball.
00:14:14
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Has he been very, very consistent in ah in a foreisher or has it been more up and down, including his form from last season? Yeah. So if you include last season as a whole, so that's now yeah a season and a half for him. No, he has been inconsistent. So um when when he came in, it was as a replacement for Brennan Johnson, who we just sold to Spurs.
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but ultimately a cheap replacement we we sold brennan johnson for forty seven million pounds and elanga cost only fifteen million and i know it's not direct maths but it's not as it's a brennan johnson is three times as good as antony elanga but you get you get the point you we didn't have such high expectations for him we think about how much in the same summer, Cole Palmer, who played a similar number of Premier League games in Man City. Cole Palmer went for 14 million and Alango went for only 15. He kind of got an impression and United had given up on him. There was nothing special there. So I think we thought he'd just be a a squad player. But due to injuries and other things, he did play most of last season, but I think we're only
00:15:25
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three or four goal was seven assists. And those assists all came within a short space of time, December and January. So you're right, he was inconsistent. You can see the speed was there, but he hadn't quite got the the consistent end product. And the same, same this season. um I mentioned that Liverpool victory at the start of the season, that was Kellan Pudson of Doy with the goal there. It was Hudson of Doy who'd finished last season in form. So,
00:15:50
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of those two wingers, Elanga and Hudson Adoy. The thought was that Hudson Adoy was the future star and Elanga would just be a mid-table player. but And that's that actually led to Elanga being out the team for for three or four games in October, November. But since he's came back, um so many goal involvements, I think three goals in a row, including in the Aston Villa game, a hat-trick of assists in the 7-0 win against Brighton last time out. so Yeah, I mean, maybe he is still a streaky player, maybe it's current run. It's a very long streak, but yeah. well be right is It's the longest streak so far, so hopefully it is now saying a bit of consistently from from Anthony Alanga.
00:16:30
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Well, yeah, I mean, I'm I think after the Villa game, I think there was like he was you said he was out of the team and the Villa game was like the turning point and he made like comments after the game saying he knows he can do better and he's been showing it. So here's to hope and here's to hope. And um who else on the forest team has been particularly interesting um from an outside perspective? All ah obviously Alaina is like begging for a big move, I think. Yeah, I mean what would I think about Elaine as I think he'll Unfortunately for us, I think you'll go back to Chelsea because of course in in your European kind competitions you have to of course have set a certain number of players that are homegrown at a club trained and if Chelsea keep on selling their own Academy graduates like some kind of Gallagher, Trevor Chalaba, they've been trying to sell for a lot
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ah ree James is intuitively consistent, maybe they'll cut the losses on him. So I think, unfortunately,
Steve Cooper's Dismissal: Why Now?
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Olerina will return to Chelsea because they need need to boost their homegrown quota for European competitions. he He lives in London, I believe, and he's just got better and better since he's at Chelsea as a as a young player on the fringes of Antonio Conte's title winning team. So I fear that Aina will return to Chelsea this summer, unfortunately.
00:17:49
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Interesting, interesting. um Did not know that he still lives in London. that's I've seen Alanga, Hudson and Doy and Alaina have incredible like banter together. so yeah perhaps as aina and ro adore Yeah, they can commute together back to London. um so Interesting. Yeah.
00:18:11
Speaker
Makes a lot of sense, makes a lot of sense. Probably still have bucket loads of family in London from their youth days, both being at Chelsea. um Let's see. Oh, this is a good question. um Steve Cooper. How did we feel about his dismissal?
00:18:29
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Like did we and justify it or I thought cuz from an outside perspective to me it felt like there was so much love from the forest fence and that there was more outpouring of support than there were calling for head so so super out the blue but.
00:18:45
Speaker
Yeah, so in the our first season back in the Premier League, 22-23, the rumours in the press were that there were twice where he was, the owners wanted to to sack him. ah But because it was our first season back, the fans sort of protested and they kept him in a job essentially. So what once in October after a bad start to our time in the Premier League and another time in April after we're in a bad losing streak, which he somehow managed to turn it around for. But no, the So in that first season of the Premier League, he could could do no wrong. It had been 23 years out of the Premier League. So if we had got relegated that first season back, the fans would not have... He was getting almost no criticism on on social media, even. The fans appreciated the job he'd done in getting us up there in the first place, that they were willing to to forgive the bad results, although he did eventually keep us up. That did change. um
00:19:39
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So it was December of 2023, then he got fired, so December in our second season. So some fans turned on him three or four games in because we were still playing super defensive football in our second season in the Premier League. Others turned more slowly. ah But for me, yeah, I think the timing timing was right. You had to wait until it was over half the fan base once he had gone. He'd always have a special place in the forest fan's heart, even when He ended up breached into Leicester this season. People
FA Cup Prospects and Manchester City's Vulnerability
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don't hold it against him too much. um But yeah, I think the timing halfway through the second season, it was clear that it was going to be, at best, another brief survival bid. And yeah, so I don't think, to put it one way, even if Cooper kept his up last year, I don't think he had it in him to take us to that next level for challenging for Champions League this year. So, yeah, we mentioned before I was initially
00:20:34
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Not sold on Uno, but now I can see there's quite quite a few things why Uno was after all that an upgrade on Steve Cooper. As much as we will always thank Cooper for the memories of the promotion season.
00:20:46
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Yeah, breaking into this, the top half of the Premier League table is one of the hardest things that it like a lower level championship side can come up to the Premier League and do. We saw it last year with Vincent company try and trying. He's still a relatively top level manager, but Burnley wanted to play football the right way and couldn't even muster an effort outside of the relegation zone. so It's an admiration to the forest journey that you guys are in the the so very solidly third place, second place, and looking up at the table, not looking down. um We're going to take a quick break now and we'll discuss the Epic Up Round of 16 when we come back.
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00:22:04
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All right, let's start with the potential forest fixture, which is Forest versus Ipswich Town, if they be Exeter. Thoughts on Ipswich and if they'll provide much opposition to top of the table, Forest?
00:22:19
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Yeah, I mean, so when Forrest played Ipswich at home in the league, I mean, it was, it was a tough, close game. It was only, ah only one nil. Ipswich had quite a bit about them. um So I think the, yeah, I mean, we we should, I mean, as we said at the start of this episode, we should be exiting comfortably. We should be ipswich at home comfortably but I mean you never know it's um the magic is up just a couple of weeks time so I think it'll depend on if we've got any injuries or not and we didn't sign anybody in January at all. We spoke earlier that forests have been more measured and more sensible in the transfer windows but we have also been very lucky with injuries this season so
00:23:01
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I think we we shouldn't make 11 changes against Ipswich, that should be the kind of game where maybe you swap in your keeper, rotate one or two players, but ultimately you need to play a strong team, Ipswich are still in the Premier League, they're still a decent team, definitely a tougher test than Exeter. I respect to Sea Forest, get through it into into the quarter finals, but it is a tricky time against Ipswich.
00:23:24
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Yeah. A couple of juicy fixtures in the next round, Newcastle versus Brighton. I think two really high pressing teams should be an enthralling encounter. What are your thoughts on that, Stuart? Yeah. I mean, Newcastle and Brighton are two teams who are, who would have a good hope of ah winning, winning the Epic Cup. Um, Brighton, they, um, in fact, no small part to Forest last weekend and maybe not going to challenge for,
00:23:51
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the top four or top five in the Premier League but they're nowhere near the relegation battle either. So I think for Brighton they should be looking to progress and to even go on to win win the Cup. I think they made a semi-final under Deserby a couple of years ago so that could be the thing to cement Brighton as a really established forced in the Premier League. I mean Newcastle as well, I know they're in the Carabao Cup final but they aren't in Europe. So they still have, it's not as if they're playing two two games, three games every week. So Newcastle and Brighton should both be looking to to win the FA Cup this season. So it's very interesting, as you say, that they'll be coming up against each other in the next round.
00:24:31
Speaker
Yeah, ah so Crystal Palace are about to beat Doncaster and should play ah Millwall in the next round. Aston Villa are going to play Cardiff at home. Preston North End are playing Burnley. So I believe Preston are still in the championship.
00:24:48
Speaker
I think pressing a mid table in the championship always seems to finish around 12 in the championship. I think that's our only all championship tie. We have Bournemouth versus Wolves. Man City are going to be faced with Plymouth who have knocked out two Premier League oppositions. Let's hope they make it three from a United perspective. I mean, it could be, it could be. You never know, you never know. Especially this season, City have just crumbled under every instance of pressure, which is the ah the least city thing over the last like 10 years. I think it's what city have been accused of before they before the Aguero moment. I remember um so many times that um city faltered. I think there was a 2010 or 11. There's like a fourth place playoff with city and Spurs and city lost 1-0 at home to yeah a decent Spurs team. But
00:25:44
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That was the mindset back then. Before they became elite, there it was city items, as it was called, that they all yeah always mess it up. So they seem to have recorded cases of city items this year. We'll be up for it, definitely.
00:25:56
Speaker
Yeah, but it definitely felt like the case of Citi's mentality. So it's been interesting to see Citi shift back to that sort of mentality after being so elite for so long. Um, so hopefully, you know, but Plymouth could do something. I said it in the last round with, um, with Liverpool, it's going to be a much changed 11. Um, and when you have belief and all 11 players are working behind the ball, you can shut up shop even against the best of teams.
00:26:26
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, if we have to assume if the city um that we have really want to be focusing on the Champions leagueo League, I would leave Man City to save their season. I mean, let's be ah be honest, this is a bad city season regardless, and winning the FA Cup won't make this a good season for City. So I don't think they'll put in too strong a team against Plymouth. They'll be resting players ahead of the Champions League, assuming they've even stayed in against Real
From Players to Managers: A Legacy
00:26:49
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Madrid. So yeah, I think Plymouth definitely have had the chance of spraying a surprise at at the Etsy head.
00:26:54
Speaker
Yeah, um quick touch to end the episode. X great players that have now are now managing clubs. I can think of a few and a couple of great ones.
00:27:09
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um
00:27:11
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I don't think I've ever seen an attacker like Ruud van Nistroy who came to ah with Leicester United this weekend go on to be an and amazing manager. It seems that they always come from centre back or midfield because those are the players that scan the whole pitch. um Yeah, you look at the stereotype. Yeah, you do think of the best managers having been either um not really much of a player at all like Rafa Benitez, Jose Mourinho, players like that or even all those who have played in defensive roles like like Pep Guardiola or like I think Jurgen Klopp was the centre back as well so people players who you write they
00:27:56
Speaker
Jaby Alonzo, of course, being ah being a key example, someone who's played in a defensive role, in a central role, and they've seen seen the whole pitch, and they've had time to to work things out. So yeah, I think that's linked everything together. We've we've mentioned Plymouth. Wayne Ruynewis, unfortunately, he's not going to manage again, is he? He's he's been been pretty poor in all of his jobs. But one attacker, ah legendary striker, who became a legendary manager, the one and only Brian Clough,
00:28:25
Speaker
I think he still holds the record for fastest to 200 career goals, something like that. um I retired early with an knee injury and of course went on to take Nottingham Forest to win two European Cups back to back 1979, 1980. So thank you for having me on. Isha Onus, in 29 minutes, now finally got the chance to mention Brian Cleff, and far between two-time European champions. Well, I'd be remiss if I didn't mention that Nuno was also in Jose Mourinho's 2004 winning Champions League squad. Of course, yeah, which was crazy. He was the substitute key goalkeeper, I think. yeah As you said, he was not in the action, he was not scoring the goals, but from his role as a sub team, he was able to watch
00:29:08
Speaker
Everything unfolded out of them. The only example of an attacker that I can think of is Johan Cruyff, the elite manager, and Cruyffism spread through football. So perhaps the most influential manager of all time is an attacker. That's right. yeah So the average is maybe a defender, but with a few outliers, I'm just able to get the way through. Very few and far between. It's been lovely having you on Stewart. We're just about to hit the 30-minute mark, so it's a good time to end it. Yeah, thank you for having me.
00:29:35
Speaker
Yeah, no worries. It was wonderful to talk about forest. I loved to hear your perspective and hopefully we get to chat about it again. All right. yeah and said aie thanks john sport podcast network