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The Falcon and the Winter Soldier, Part 1
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In celebration of Black History Month, Kelen "B-Hyphen" Conley returns to the show for another double-feature. This time, he and Perry discuss the first three episodes of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier. We talk about its origins in The Truth: Red, White and Black comic, the return of familiar villains like Batroc and Baron Zemo, and Wyatt Russell's portrayal of John Walker.
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Legacy of Superheroes
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I'm sorry. I understand that list of names. People you've wronged as the Winter Soldier. Don't push it. I've seen that book. It was Steve's when he came out of the ice. I told him about trouble, man. He wrote it in that book. You hear it? What'd you think? I like 40s music, so...
00:01:50
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You didn't like it? I liked it. It is a masterpiece, James. Complete, comprehensive. It captures the African-American experience. He's out of line, but he's right.
00:02:04
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It's great. Everybody loves Marvin Gaye. I like Marvin Gaye. Steve adored Marvin Gaye. You must have really looked up to Steve, but I realized something when I met him. The danger with people like him, America's super soldiers, is that we put them on pedestals. Watch your steps, Imo. They become symbols, icons, and then we start to forget about their flaws. From there, cities fly.
00:02:31
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Innocent people die, movements are formed, wars are fought. You remember that right? As a young soldier sent to Germany to stop a mad icon. Do we want to live in a world full of people like the Red Skull?
00:02:49
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That is why we're going to Madripoor. What's up with Madripoor? You guys talk about it like a skull island. An island nation in the Indonesian archipelago. A pirate sanctuary back in the 1800s. It's kept its lawless ways, but we cannot exactly walk in as ourselves. James, you will have to become someone you claim is gone.
Spotlight on Black Superheroes
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Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine. And when Derek was still with us, we had a tradition that we had done two years in the row where every February we'd spotlight black superheroes. And one of the things we ended up finding out the second year we did this is that there actually aren't a whole lot of black superhero movies. So we started to that's how we ended up with Steel.
00:03:41
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And since Derek's no longer with us, I wanted to do something to kind of continue the tradition. And I thought I'd bring on another one of my favorite black nerds who's been on the show before. And that's Kellen Connelly. Kell, how are you doing today? I'm great, Perry. It's good to be back, man. It's always good to sit in the seat that Derek used to occupy. So I'm happy to be here and I'm ready to talk about a black superhero.
00:04:05
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Yeah, yeah. So my idea was, I was thinking like, cause I had already scheduled a bunch of interviews and I had actually had two more episodes scheduled to record before I actually started talking to you. And I'm like, wait, I should really do something for, for, for February. I'm like, I don't want people to think that I'm just like, as soon as Derek's gone, I'm just not going to do it anymore. Then I thought about, you know, asking you to come on and I thought, well, you know, you know, Falcon and Winter Soldier would probably be a pretty good thing to talk about.
00:04:34
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It's a very good thing to talk about. And honestly, I haven't talked about it on any podcast. So I'm very excited to talk about it, honestly, today. Yeah, we had a Derek and I had mentioned a few times because it just started airing right before he passed. I'm not even sure he had actually managed to see the whole thing, but I know we saw like at least like the first two episodes or so. Mm hmm. They're very good episodes. Very good episodes. Yeah. And so.
00:05:02
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Let's jump right into it. In this first episode, we're going to talk about the first three episodes.
Falcon and Winter Soldier: Initial Thoughts
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So that's New World Order, The Star-Spangled Man, and Power Broker. And then next episode, we'll talk about the last three. So let's, focusing just on these first episodes, what were things you were thinking about when it aired, when you first saw it?
00:05:25
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Well, when they first announced it, I am all the way in on MCU. Like they can mostly do no wrong. I still got to watch Eternals to give you a true opinion on that one. I got to rewatch it. But they've mostly never done wrong for me. So I was excited. I always liked the small moments that we got between Bucky and Falcon in the movies. So I thought that expanding upon that, especially with the events of Endgame and everything and with
00:05:51
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essentially a cat passing a shield to Sam at the end of everything. I was eager to see exactly how that would play out. I didn't, I know we're going to talk about it later, but I didn't see the full journey going the way I did, honestly. Like,
00:06:07
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um like the beginning and everything when when Bucky is like or not Bucky Falcon immediately like gives up the shield I was like yo what are we doing here like and and I hadn't read any spoilers or anything I so I had no clue what was coming which I'm very glad that we went on that ride with him but for him to immediately give up the shield and feel not worthy it
00:06:30
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It felt like something Sam would do, but at the same time, Sam was just as big of a part of everything, of saving the world, just like the rest of the Avengers were. And so for him to kind of feel inadequate at first and feel like he's not deserving of the shield, I thought it was a very good take, because we've never seen anything with Sam on an emotional level. We got a lot of them in Winter Soldier, but besides that, it's all been getting beat up by the Ant-Man, and then he'd show up in the movies.
00:06:56
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and kind of spar back with Bucky and stuff. But besides that, we just never really had that exposure to him on a deeper level. So I really think that it was a cool thing that we got to see Sam Sean in that way, especially like in going that journey with them and starting with this episode.
Sam and Bucky's Relationship
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And then on the other side of it with Bucky, I thought for sure they were going to be grooming Bucky to be the next cap. So to see him dealing with therapy and then finding out of course that he had befriended someone that the father of someone he actually killed when he was under the Winter Soldier Program was just crazy to me. And it was a hell of a start to the series, I thought, man. Like I was ready for more as soon as I finished it.
00:07:40
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Yeah, same thing. I was also kind of taken aback because I figured my impression of the series going in because we knew that John Walker was going to be in there and he was going to be the new cap based on previews and everything.
00:07:54
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What I thought was going to happen though, was that Sam was going to have the shield the whole time. And then like later on, he'd eventually, you know, put on the suit. But I figured like, at least in the beginning, you know, that shield that they give John Walker, I thought that would have actually been like a replica shield or something. And Sam would have had like the real thing. So I was, I was really kind of surprised to see like, like you said, like right at the front, right at the start, he's, he's given the shield away. Right. And he trusted the government, which is crazy. Yeah.
00:08:22
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He's like, yeah, let me just give this to you guys and you guys will put it in the museum, right? Yes, we will, Sam, absolutely. Don't you worry. But you did mention something in there that really stood out to me and that's, and I didn't really put those two things together, but you're right. We never really got a whole lot of Sam on an emotional, personal level. Like we get little, maybe a little bit of a hint of it in Winter Soldier when he's talking about his past and we see him, you know,
00:08:49
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counseling the veterans and stuff like that. But that was really about it. Like other than that, it's just, you know, he's Cap's backup. He's Cap's partner. He's just here to kind of like, you know, ride shotgun and make funny jokes with Bucky and have their whole rivalry thing going. But that was all, that was it. And to see, you know, cause I've seen Mackey and other things and he's a great actor. And it was really nice to see him really kind of like, you know, get to flex those muscles in this role.
00:09:19
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Yeah, because like you said, he's been in many, many movies. His filmography is huge and he's always been a good actor to me. So seeing him coming to MCU was exciting because Winter Soldier was so good. But then like you said, he was just always in the background. So getting to see him, especially like the scenes with his
00:09:39
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sister, I believe. Yeah. Yeah. Um, yeah. When like getting to see that he had a family and everything. And, and there, I mean, even though he, like, it was the first episode, right? When they try to go to the bank and get a loan and then, and they're just like, uh, yeah, we can't give you a loan. Like, and he's like, what are you talking about? I saved the world. They're like, thank you. But, uh, that's not how credit works.
00:10:02
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Especially because you disappear for five years. So, yeah. And also like, just a quick mention of it, even though it's a prevalent thing especially in phase four. The effects of the blip still being felt is really something that's being well done, because
00:10:18
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I could have easily just left it at the end of in game, but like everybody's back the end. But we've seen it affect far from home. We've seen it affect WandaVision and just all these different scenarios are still playing out. And like even it's mentioned in Eternals, I believe it's always a constant thing to blip the blip the blip. So it's nothing that they're just this. It's not like in the comic books where it's like this crazy thing happened. But guess what? They saved the world and it's over. That's how comic books work. They're actually still long term effects.
00:10:46
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Um from the blip like dr. Strange and even the the source of supreme because he was gone for five years Yeah, so that that's something that's uh, really cool. But um, so sebastian stan is bringing just as much um is bringing just as much of his role as bucky um as maki is because With uh bucky, of course, we saw him be redeemed of course once he went to wakonda and
00:11:10
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Sure, he helped them with the brainwashing and getting over the programming. And then, of course, he blipped out
John Walker as Captain America
00:11:15
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too. And then next thing you know that he's back, then Cap's like, all right, I'll go take these stones. And then all of a sudden, Cap's back and he's old. And like he never, I mean, obviously, he got to say goodbye. We assume that that Cap is still around at some point old Cap. We just don't know if Chris Evans will ever come back to the role. He doesn't have to. He's done enough, I feel like. Yeah, yeah.
00:11:38
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Just getting to see more of him trying to come to grips with what he's done, especially with him taking a cue from Cap's book, and Winter Soldier, you saw Cap had a little notebook of things that he needed to catch up on. One of the example was Sam was like, you need to listen to Marvin Gaye's Troubleman. And so Cap's like, let me write that down. And he literally wrote down. And so Bucky has taken a page from Cap, and now he's actually has this list of people that he's done wrong. In the same book, actually.
00:12:06
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Yeah, and they exactly literally the same book. Yeah. So he's going and trying to redeem and try to find forgiveness in his own way while still being bucky and the former winter soldier. And it's not like he's not known. So it's very hard to make amends when you literally have blood in your in your registers. Ledger. Ledger. Yes, as a widow would put it. So the setup of this was just brilliantly done, I thought.
00:12:35
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Yeah, I thought that the relationship between Sam and Bucky is so good in this because, you know, we got to see them, you know, being kind of antagonistic towards each other and kind of like this fun way in civil war. And then in Endgame,
00:12:51
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you know we kind of got a little hint that maybe there's some kind of mutual respect for each other because there's that scene at the end when Cap goes away and like it's just like this small thing but he just says he's like hey Sam you know and it's just like this not antagonistic or anything and he's got this knowing smile on his face the entire time and
00:13:10
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And so like, because he and this, what I had suspected and what this series, you know, in the in the second half, latter half confirms is that Cap had told Bucky about his plan, and it talked about passing on the shield to Sam. So Bucky had known that which kind of explains like the way he was he kind of smiled and he kind of like, you know, nodded for, for Sam to go on and take the shield. And
00:13:35
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And one of the nice things I like about what this series did is it doesn't erase that kind of new found mutual respect they have for each other, but it also doesn't forget the kind of like animosity they had for each other either. No, like they are the best of front of me. Yeah, exactly how they are. That's the best way to put it. Yeah.
00:13:55
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Um, and, uh, and I, and we also get, uh, some other, you know, one of the nice things here, nice surprises here is we get, um, you know, roadie popping up. Yes. Although one of the weird things is like, he got nominated for like an Emmy or something for just that one cameo and nobody else in the show got anything.
00:14:15
Speaker
Oh man, they must, they must've been grasping at straws or something. They're like, Hey, uh, Don Cito hadn't been a nominator for some in a while. Let's just throw them to see you a bone to get them to shut up about never getting nominated for. Even he was surprised. Like, I don't know why they nominated me for that.
00:14:29
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Especially when he wasn't going to win, you know, yes, definitely almost a penny nomination. One thing you also mentioned there was Sam sister and the in the bank scene, and one of the things I thought was really kind of funny about that see is the whole thing of where we find out that the vendors don't get paid because that's a.
00:14:48
Speaker
That's a change from the comics, because at least pre-Bendis, because when Bendis came along, they'd already dissolved the old charter and everything. But the original Avengers charter, all active members and reserve members, they get a salary.
00:15:07
Speaker
Yeah, they were on Stark payroll. Yeah, they got a Stark payroll. They were able to live in the mansion if they wanted to. And yeah, if you're a reserve member, then you got a slightly lower salary. But yeah, everybody got some sort of salary. So for him to just be like, he's like, yeah, Tony Stark didn't give us anything. I'm like, come on, Tony. What the fuck, man?
00:15:25
Speaker
It feels like one of those things that he just never got to. Like, honestly, let's think about it real quick because Civil War happened. He opened up the new facility and things were kind of progressing pretty quick. And then, of course, he fell out with Cap and they weren't talking for a long time, honestly, until Endgame when he showed back up on planet. So it could have been something that was in the works. And then when the Scovia Accords came out and everything, they're like, OK, we're going to all register. And Cap's like, nah, I ain't registered nothing.
00:15:55
Speaker
So I'm sure at one point, Tony's like, let's make this official, make sure everybody gets paid. And he just never got to it. And the blip happened. And I mean, come on, man, there was at least like a four year gap between the first of the year in Civil War. You could have got something done. Heffer should have figured it out. Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:11
Speaker
But she probably was getting ready to work on it when she left them, so she wasn't around to do it either. Dang, Tony, always leaving behind something somebody else got cleaned up. But another nice thing here is we get Batroc back. And I thought he was like, he was this really cool little part in Winter Soldier. And after that movie, I'm like, all right, we're never going to see Batroc again. And then he pops up here, and I thought that was really cool.
00:16:36
Speaker
Yeah, Batrock is great. He's definitely in Cap's Ropes Gallery from the comic books, but he was just always, again, one of those people that pop up like, oh, look, it's Batrock month or month or two months. He was never somebody that really felt like a real threat. He was just somebody that Cap fought every now and then. But he always had a cool back history. So seeing him come into the movies like we did,
00:17:00
Speaker
Again, we thought maybe he'd be around longer, but he wasn't in the films, but he's utilized really well in this series too, I think. So I was happy to see Bad Truck as well.
00:17:12
Speaker
And you also talked about the blip, and I think this, at least up until now, I think no other show or movie has really dealt with the blip in as much of a focus as this series has so far. Yeah, I mean, the plot kind of hinges on it a little bit, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. And it makes so much sense because, you know, in some of the other stuff, it's just kind of this
00:17:34
Speaker
OK, yeah, we got to mention this and get it out of the way, like far from home kind of felt like that in a little bit. It's like they got that little thing at the beginning. And but then it's like, OK, let's move on then from the blip and eternals, too. Like you said, it was just kind of like, you know, a little mention here. And that was about it. But.
Societal Impacts of the Blip
00:17:51
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And WandaVision also, little bit of a mention, but it wasn't really the focus at all. This really dials in and it's like the whole thing revolves around. And I was not expecting this much emphasis on it, which is good too. It was one of the nice little surprises about this show.
00:18:07
Speaker
Yeah, and the way that they built it up, and like I said, put it right in the plot, like the idea that there was five years where half the population on Earth was going. So yeah, there was all these places where people used to live that was available to people who didn't have anything. And so for world leaders, honestly, to sit there and be like, oh, well, they're back, and it was theirs before. So they get to take it back. It's just a little crazy. Like, I could honestly see this being a huge hot button topic if it was the real world.
00:18:37
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Because how do you tell these people who who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and took advantage of this property that was available, especially for five years and then tell them, oh, well, you got to move and you don't have anywhere to go now because the blip happened and they're all back. So they want their property back. Like it's a very catch 22 situation.
00:18:58
Speaker
And it's very much playing up into those like kind of imperialist colonial themes that I think that the show is kind of dealing with on a on a on a subtler level because this idea of like, hey, you know, when we need you, we're going to we're going to take advantage of all this help you're giving us. And then as soon as we don't need you anymore, well, you're on your own. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,
00:19:19
Speaker
Yeah, I hate it. Like I felt, I actually was really on the antagonist side when them this whole thing. Like I felt for their cause, like, did they go a little far? Obviously. I mean, they had to in order to catch, to be as big of a threat as they were throughout the show.
00:19:35
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, at the same time, it's like there's kids that literally have nowhere to go now because the government says they got to go. So it's really something that plucked the heartstrings. And that's something that the show did very well throughout everything because, yeah, there was all the action and stuff like, yeah, man, it's so cool. Like, oh, my God, Zemo is awesome.
00:19:56
Speaker
But then there was some real issues being dealt with on the other side of the dial. So they covered their bases really well. Yeah. Yeah. The Flag Smashers had very, very legitimate complaints in here.
Flag Smashers' Motivation
00:20:13
Speaker
And I didn't realize this because I thought maybe they created Carly Morgenthau for the show. But it turns out it's just the original Flag Smasher in the comics was Carl Morgenthau. So they just gender swapped them.
00:20:26
Speaker
Yeah, which is fine with me. I didn't hear anybody complaining. Yeah, yeah, that was a neat little, that was a nice little twist. Yeah, and it was kind of, it was it, because I think in the, in the comics the Flag Smasher was like his identity and then
00:20:38
Speaker
ultimatum was like his organization or something like that. Right. They just kind of like combine those two things and just make the organization the Flag Smashers, which I thought made a lot of sense. And it really, it really worked for, for what they were doing. And it, it totally fit. Like the Flag Smashers are pretty much tailor made for this situation. So I thought it was a really good use of that.
00:21:00
Speaker
Right. Because whenever you need that kind of organization who's going to cause havoc, but you don't want it to be on a global destruction level, the Flag Smashers are kind of perfect for that kind of thing. So I agree. And then, well, let's talk about the new cap now. John Walker comes in, Wyatt Russell, following his dad's footsteps into the MCU.
00:21:24
Speaker
Yes. Yes. Um, I'm going to say this right now. Um, I loved most every moment that John Walker was captain America. Um, because one, like, again, I, I, I didn't have a clue. Like I, I saw it like maybe right. Well, obviously I saw that in episode one and I was like, yo, they're doing John Walker. So I, I was completely blindsided by that.
00:21:49
Speaker
Um, but then I was a fan of US agent, um, from the comic books, um, and also from fan fiction because I, one of my friends, uh, Clayton totally, he used to write that for Marvel anthology back in the day. And I fell in love with his version of John Walker and.
00:22:06
Speaker
To say that they nailed who John Walker, Captain America was is an understatement, because he's cocky. He has the work ethic. They didn't go the route of immediately powering them up.
00:22:21
Speaker
Eventually, they did get there. But if there was anybody who was the right candidate to replace Cap, they kind of picked the right person, except the only difference is Cap wasn't a complete jerk. And John Walker definitely was. But at the same time, Walker had good intentions. It was just his ego would constantly get in the way. So I absolutely liked
00:22:50
Speaker
about 85% of the things he did on the show up until obviously when he went a little nuts. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I thought he did it. I mean, it shows you what a great job he did is we're watching, I'm watching the show and my wife is kind of like tuning in and out. And she was like, I miss Chris Evans. Like, I don't like this guy. He's an asshole. And I'm like, well, yeah, that's kind of the point.
00:23:13
Speaker
Right. I mean, that shows you he's doing he's doing his job. But one of the things that I liked about because with US agent in the comics, there's there's a tendency to go too far with him being an asshole and just make him an unlikable prick on the writer. Yeah. Yeah. And I think this this series did a really good job of going taking you right up to that line, but not crossing over it.
00:23:38
Speaker
And and I like because he was honestly just trying to be do the best he could, man, like he really wanted to fill those shoes. And I like they didn't go the jingoistic route, which is sometimes what they do in the comic books. They completely avoided that. And and also, I was kind of I was really surprised that, you know, Battlestar got so much play in this series. I know. I mean, he he was a vital part of the of the storyline, too. I was real happy to see him. I enjoyed his rapport with
00:24:08
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with John, I thought you could really tell that they were best friends. And it was nice to see their rapport in comparison to Cap and Bucky's rapport, especially like pre Winter Soldier and after Winter Soldier. Like it really shows that when you're in these military situations and even in a fictional world.
00:24:29
Speaker
you go to war and you're only surrounded by literally the other people I go to war with and there are literally lifelong lifelong bonds that you make with these other people and you all hope to come home and not everybody does but when you do it a lot of times it's just like picking up with your best friend no matter what and because literally they were there with you when you're both of your line both of your bacon was in the fire essentially
00:24:56
Speaker
So I really did like to see how they came together and how they dealt with one another. And it was cool to kind of see, especially once they got battle starring in him going and stuff, their synergy on the battlefield was kind of crazy. Like they were nice with it. And again, it just showed why, even though the government should never give cap shield away, why the government almost made the right choice to replace cap.
00:25:24
Speaker
And unless I'm mistaken, in the comics, Battlestar was kind of portrayed as kind of dim-witted, wasn't he? Yeah. And so I liked that they didn't go that, and then they made him kind of like the brains of the operation here. Right. He was a more rational one because John was more reactionary. Yeah. So he was the one who was kind of like, all right, well, let's play it like this. And then John would listen to him at first. And then they would go from there. So I enjoyed that as well.
00:25:52
Speaker
Yeah, and yeah, he was a really good addition. I was not expecting to get as much of him in the series. And one of the things that surprised me too is we have, they created a life for Walker in this, but she doesn't really have any purpose in the series other than just being there. Yeah, I thought that was interesting, but I don't,
00:26:17
Speaker
I think that might have been I think it was more like they felt like it was needed to try to add to it to make him more likable. Like, oh, well, he has a wife and everything or stakes for him involved versus just making him this suddenly single Captain America who he literally was everywhere. Like he was on Good Morning America. He was like billboards everywhere. Like it was literally like
00:26:42
Speaker
It was everything that celebrities in America are today where they're constantly everywhere. It was like cap, cap, cap, cap. And it was like all anybody was talking about. So I think they did that in an effort to humanize them and kind of put more emphasis on the man behind the new cap. I don't necessarily feel like it was needed though. So I kind of see what they would want for though. I mean, I think
00:27:04
Speaker
Because this series, I think probably more than any other, it really suffered because of the pandemic because they had to shut down production in the middle of it. Because this was originally supposed to come out before Black Widow, I believe. Or Black Widow was supposed to come out before this, I think. I think Black Widow was supposed to be March of 2020.
00:27:22
Speaker
And then I think this was supposed to follow because WandaVision kind of came out on time, I believe. I think it was still supposed to be like late 2020, late 2020 into early 2021 as well as the projected time for WandaVision. So I think that was mostly still on time despite the pandemic. But I believe you're correct. Widow was supposed to come out first and then we were supposed to jump right to CAP or Falcon Winter Soldier. Sorry.
00:27:48
Speaker
So I'm guessing that they switched, they may have changed up the stinger credits on Black Widow base because obviously they introduced.
00:28:00
Speaker
Uh, Julia Louis Dreyfus's character in this series first. Yeah. Um, and we'll talk about her more in the next episode because yeah, I got a lot to say about her. But, uh, but yeah, and also like the, the episodes had kind of changed the storyline even changed because originally they were supposed to, the, the flag smashes were really supposed to try and release a bio weapon. That was like their block.
00:28:22
Speaker
And then because of the pandemic, they're all just kind of like, you know, maybe you shouldn't use a biological weapon here. Maybe that's a little instant. Yeah, yeah. So yeah. So they changed a lot of stuff around. And I think and there may have been some stuff with the with John's wife getting kind of like, you know, push the wayside as a result of this.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah, she might've had a more meaty role before they had to change things. That makes sense. Yeah. But I think the big star of at least these first three episodes though, or basically really the third episode is really where, cause he's just appears at the end in the second episode is Baron Zemo coming back.
Return of Baron Zemo
00:29:03
Speaker
Ah, yes. And I was so looking forward to see, cause we talked about this when we talked about way back when we talked about civil war is that
00:29:11
Speaker
Up until Thanos, Zemo was my second favorite villain in the MCU. I thought he was like the more, or actually I should say up until Killmonger, but like up until that point, he was just like second only to Loki, because he had such good motivation. It was the first time in the MCU when the villain actually won, because he'd gotten everything he wanted. Yeah, he really did, yeah.
00:29:38
Speaker
Zemo, I didn't think we were going to see Zemo in this series. So when they went on Barnes and Wilson aside, we're going to go see Zemo. I was like, yo, wait a minute. They're going to, they're going to go see him. That's crazy.
00:29:52
Speaker
out of all the major villains in MCU leading up to, leading up to Civil War, most of them were, you know, it was like Loki obviously was a brother of Thor, Iron Man was Iron Monger, and then it became, or Avalanche? No, Whiplash. Whiplash. And then in Cap's movies, it was,
00:30:17
Speaker
red skull and in civil war was this winter soldier essentially shield against cap was was really what it was um so it was all things that had been triggered by obviously the superheroes and the superheroes also triggered zemo but as we learned in the beginning of the movie it was due to the collateral damage from ultron ultron's another one there there you go of course tony and and um
00:30:46
Speaker
And Bruce made Ultron. So it was always a cause and effect thing. Now there was cause and effect in Civil War, but again, it was cause of collateral damage. Sokovia happened, his family died. And literally, he, as we find out in this series, he's way more, there's way more to him than what we saw in Civil War.
00:31:09
Speaker
But he literally found his way to get the get the winter soldier codes break into winter soldiers containment unit.
00:31:21
Speaker
turn them back into the winter soldier. And he just kept sitting all these, he was always just one step ahead of the heroes until it's a child caught up with them at the end of the Civil War. So I really liked him as well. And he literally fractured Tony and Cap, which who would have thought that even thinkable until Tony realized that Cap knew that Bucky had killed his parents. So, and I still won't forget that reveal. So I also just love Zemo and I love the way they use them in this entire series.
00:31:51
Speaker
And they take him to the next level. I did not expect, because I figured, oh, he's just going to be Zemo here. There's not going to be any Baron Zemo. But then they walk out and they walk into the garage. He's like, oh, I'm a Baron. And I'm like, they made a Baron Zemo. I love that.
00:32:09
Speaker
Yes. You know, gave him his Royal lineage. Absolutely. And they brought back, they brought, they gave him the sock mask too, the purple mask. I love that. He got the mask on and he was holding his own man. Like it wasn't no, no kind of situation where like it was ever Zemo's in trouble. No, no Zemo, Zemo could have went so to so a cap if he had to, man. I would have, I would like, maybe we still will hurt a future. Um, I would like to see them actually square up and see a fight in MCU between the two of them. Cause they will be really good, I think.
00:32:39
Speaker
Also, they did a really good job of incorporating not only the mask, but other elements of his costume, like the coat he's wearing. It's got the color with the little little polka dots, just like in the comics he wears. Yeah, I love that. And he's so funny because he didn't get to be funny in Civil War. He was always so serious, like, oh, you ruined my life. And now he's like, yeah, you ruined my life. But I can also be fun.
00:33:04
Speaker
And he's welcomed Comic Relief throughout all of it. And he never looks, I mean, he has his moments where he looks out for other people, but he never stops putting Baron Zemo as priority number one, even when we think he's not. And I just love it, I'm here for it. Yeah, I loved how, and like you said, he provides this Comic Relief, but it never does it at the expense of making him like a goofy character, a slapstick character. It's not like a Justin Hammer situation.
00:33:32
Speaker
No, he's cool funny. Like, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And like it just like and he says things that he's making sense. And even, you know, I love my favorite line, I think, from this is when.
00:33:43
Speaker
you know, taking it back to what you mentioned about Troubleman when you know, when Bucky takes out the little book and Sam's like, hey, yeah, Steve had that book. I told him about Marvin Gaye and he wrote it down in there. He's like, did you like Marvin Gaye? He's like, eh, it's not really my thing. And he's like, well, you've got to listen to it. And then Zemo, he's like troubleman. It perfectly captures the African American experience. And Sam's just like,
00:34:04
Speaker
He's like, well, look, he shouldn't be saying that shit, but he's right. He's right. He's right. Like he's not allowed to say that, but he's right. Yeah. Yes. Oh man. I love that scene. Just the little things. And just like the dancing, right?
00:34:22
Speaker
Yes. Dancing in the club, man. Marvel literally put on their YouTube channel. I think it's still up. It's like a hour long cut of him just doing a little bop in the club. Yes. Oh, man. I want to be Baron Zemo when I grow up. I think I finally figured it out. Yeah. Yeah, definitely.
00:34:45
Speaker
Another thing they brought in in that third episode, which is probably like the first biggest X-Men connection we've gotten in the MCU is they go to Madripoor. And as soon as they said Madripoor, I'm like, yes, yes, it's happening, it's happening.
00:35:00
Speaker
I know that they're good. They're going to draw X-Men as long as they can. And I don't know if you've seen the doctor strange trailer, but yeah. So I think we're close to entering that world. Um, obviously it's the multiverse world, but still we're very close to it. But, uh, yeah, here, here in anything X-Men and MCU is just so cool because again, it's just something we've been shopping at the bit for. So even to get like a city that we know is well known throughout the mutant universe,
00:35:28
Speaker
And this second watch around, I noticed they had the princess bar there in the background. I didn't notice that before. Yeah, I think I missed that the first time too. So that's definitely in there. And again, the MCU was just so good at planting the seeds so that when they're ready for the seeds to grow and pop up, it's like, oh yeah. And that's just another thing that they've always stayed good at. So I'm glad that they are continuing that tradition.
00:35:56
Speaker
One of the things I think that they they're doing is, and this, this has been, you know, I've talked to some people who know people who work on some of this stuff and it's, they don't have things all planned out like a lot of people think they, but they kind of, they're kind of winging it in a way, but they kind of do that thing that Claremont used to do when he was writing the X-Men where
00:36:15
Speaker
he'll, he'll drop these little nuggets in. And then when he doesn't know what to do for a story, he goes back and he's like, Oh, that's right. I planned it this year. So now I can write a story about that. Right. And that's a smart, that's smart writing. It's, and it's, it works in such a, it works in a way where it makes you think that everything's been planned out and really it's not. Um, but it's led to some really nice little kind of surprises like, um, uh, in, um,
00:36:42
Speaker
in Iron Man 2, for example, when they had a little kid and then it's like later on, they're like, oh, that was Peter Parker. Or Shang-Chi's father, right? And the Mandarin and all that kind of stuff. And where they planted that in at the end of, in the All Hill, the King, and then that there's a real Mandarin out there. And then everyone's like, okay, we're never gonna see him. And then boom, here comes Tony Long and he's Shang-Chi's father.
00:37:02
Speaker
And he's awesome. He's awesome. Yeah. Yeah. And that's okay that it's not all planned out. But like you said, as long as they know they have those to fall back on sometimes, and they can build on them, it's always a nice little emergency exit in case they have to use it for something. Yeah. And I think that's, as a writer, and I think you'll probably relate to this too, but it makes me feel a little bit better about myself, because there's lots of times when you're writing stuff, and you're just kind of like,
00:37:31
Speaker
Yeah, I know I should be planning this stuff out, but I'm just going to write it and see where it goes. Yeah. And then you kind of feel like you get that little imposter syndrome going on. And then because then you read interviews with, you know, quote unquote, real writers. And they're like, oh, yeah, I had it all planned out. And I took them. Right. And then you really ask them, they're like, no, no, man, I didn't.
00:37:51
Speaker
I mean, Derek was the same way because Derek, when he got in the mood, Derek would just write and write, write and write. And so there would be things that I would mention to him or that somebody else mentioned to him about something he wrote. He like, I put that in there. He'd always be like.
00:38:06
Speaker
He's like, yeah, I did put that in there. That's exactly what I wanted to do. And then obviously he didn't. But I mean, then he was probably just made a little note. He's like, I put this in the last train to Koshura so I can, you know. So so it is something that writers naturally do. And the good ones are able to pick back up on it and reuse it later versus people who just leave plats hanging all over the place like Howard Mackey. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:34
Speaker
Who thought we were going to get a Howard Mackey reference on this episode? Who had that on their bingo card? And then also we get, at the very end of the last episode we're going to talk about here, we get the Dora Milaje pop-up. I was not expecting anything from Wakanda to pop up in here.
00:38:55
Speaker
I'm glad they went there, man, because because obviously Wakanda is responsible for Bucky getting better. I he's their white wolf. I really feel like there is a lot of and we saw a little bit of it here. I think there's a lot of respect and love and admiration between the people Wakanda and T'Challa and
00:39:15
Speaker
and Bucky, especially because they literally saved his life. So I'm glad that they made that connection. And then also that Shuri was smart enough to make his arm, to be able to shut down his arm.
Isaiah Bradley's Story
00:39:34
Speaker
And he's like,
00:39:36
Speaker
Like, we're always, I don't know what she said, I can't remember, but I was pretty much along the lines of, we are, we prepare for everything. So, especially when you're a assassin turned back to normal, air quotes. So. Oh, so that's actually the next part. So before, let's, let's table that discussion. And the last thing we got to talk about, which we haven't talked about yet, is Isaiah Bradley and bringing in the stuff from the truth.
00:40:00
Speaker
Yeah, I wasn't ready. I wasn't ready. I'm just going to jump in here real quick. I read The Truth years ago and I was floored that Marvel would even have, I mean, because that was 2001 when all that came out. So I was floored that Marvel even had
00:40:23
Speaker
And I mean, it was 2001 and Marvel's always been kind of progressive, but Marvel literally said, oh, oh, by the way, they took all these black guys and experimented on them and tried to, you know, give them super soldier formula and make them superheroes. And then this guy came the closest, but we just never utilized them. And then we tortured them for years.
00:40:48
Speaker
It just blew my mind and then and then for them to bring that into MCU and have Sam discover that there was a black Captain America, which he had no idea, obviously.
00:41:03
Speaker
I think that this is obviously where the seeds are sown for his regrets about giving up the shield because obviously as we are going to talk about later, one of the things he says is America will never accept a black man as Captain America. So to find out that America went to that well, but then America also was America and didn't actually pull the trigger on
00:41:26
Speaker
utilizing Isaiah Bradley properly and then thrown in and essentially just being horrible to him for 30 years. It made it really, I think I cried twice in a series and this was it. And then when later on when Sam takes over and his first time he's on screen, it was kind of like, it felt like a moment. It felt like a Black Panther moment where it was like, yo, this is super dope.
00:41:54
Speaker
But yeah, just hearing Isaiah Bradley go over everything they did to him and then his reluctance to talk to Sam and him essentially telling Sam that they'll never respect you and they'll never love you and you'll never be able to fill his shoes.
00:42:10
Speaker
And even even as a hero, he was he was saying, like, it's not worth it. They don't care about you and they never will. It really hit home. Obviously, I'm not a superhero, but it's something that something that I deal with every day, you know, just just being.
00:42:25
Speaker
black in case you're not watching the video. He did say black nerd earlier, but you know, these are things that we think about that aren't normally touched upon or worried about by white people, so to speak. So I really like that they were willing to go that in depth and mind the truth because
00:42:49
Speaker
Like you don't, Marvel really hadn't talked a lot about it because if you remember like when Cassata and Bill Jemis was in charge and they put out like all these controversial series, like of course, like you remember that, that Marvel series where it was like Aunt May as a young person. Oh yeah, I had trouble.
00:43:06
Speaker
yeah trouble and then and then this came out so they were like putting out this edgy content and then when there was any kind of pushback on it they're like oh yeah we're just trying it out uh well you know don't and then they kind of distance themselves so for for them to go back um and and make that into the mcu and literally put into mcu i really thought was a very cool thing to do yeah i think i think it shows the strength of
00:43:29
Speaker
the truth miniseries compared to some of those other things because like, you know, trouble that was just, you know, weird. Mark Millar was drunk or something. And he was just like, why are we doing this drunk? If he's it, he's always like, if he's not literally drunk, he's at least like, you know, mentally drunk or something. I just found out the other day, Perry, that he took over ultimate X-Men when he started ultimate X-Men and he didn't know nothing about the X-Men.
00:43:54
Speaker
That makes total sense. And I was just like, no wonder it was so weird because it's like, Bendis had had some spider background and he just kind of introduced the elements in his own way and stuff. But the first couple that first X had been run was just so crazy. And I was like, why would they do that? But at the same time, they were just all about trying to sell books. I do remember I had gone back. I remember because I remember back when it was coming out, like I loved it, you know, being a being a teenager at the time and then rereading it later. And you're just like,
00:44:26
Speaker
It seemed like some bad things. Yeah, it was just like I remember one review I had read way back in the day after the.
00:44:34
Speaker
I think it was after the sixth issue and the reviewer has said like, I'm tired of this adolescent exercise and dick waving. And I'm like, if there's ever been a quote that perfectly sums up Miller's work, I think that's it. And the killer thing though, and we'll get back to Falcon and Winter Soldier in a minute, but I do want to get this out. It's like the killer thing though is that
00:44:59
Speaker
He can be a good writer when he tries. Yeah. Like, you know, Red Son was amazing. Red Son was great. And yeah, Red Son is a great one. And then Kick Ass, I really liked the first Kick Ass. I thought I thought that was really cool. I hated wanted personally, but when he shines, he was so stupid at the end. Like, you're not even reading his book. Like, OK. OK, yeah. Thanks, Martin. Enjoy the castle that we helped fund.
00:45:28
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. So when he's on, he's on, but when he's just throwing things at a wall, like even he wrote Wolverine enemy in his state, right? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Wolverine agent of shield, like even that stuff. Well, also like old man, Logan, right? Like there's, there's like half of that is half of that is amazing. And then you've got redneck hulks fucking each other. And I'm like, yeah, I was going to say incestuous. Yeah. Redneck hulks. Don't leave that part out. Yeah. Yeah.
00:46:00
Speaker
Mark Millar has a drinking problem. You heard it here here, folks. There you go. Send any hate mail to Kellen Conley. Be hyphen B H Y P H E and a Gmail dot com. There you go. But but yeah, and I think that one of the things that going back to what I was saying about the truth is that
00:46:21
Speaker
you know when it was announced along with the midst of all this other stuff like trouble and all this other stuff is like you look at it and you think they're just they're just trying to be controversial but then you read the truth you sit down and you read it and it's an amazing book like it is it's so good it's so well done and um
00:46:39
Speaker
And I think that's why- I need to revisit it. Yeah, yeah. And I think that's why it stood the test of time. They recently released a collection of it because it had been- Oh, did they? It had been, yeah, the collection had been out of print for a while. And I think it was like maybe last year they had a black history month sale where I got, where they had all the individual issues for free. Oh, nice. But now they've released a new trade I saw the other day on comics. Okay. I might have to check that out. Yeah. Cause literally I haven't, I have not read it since it came out, I don't think, but it impacted me then. Yeah. And I'm sure it was, have a statement impacted me now.
00:47:08
Speaker
But it's something too that they've gone back and they've revisited since, right? And like, you know, one of my favorite instances when Christopher Priest was doing the crew and he introduced Isaiah's son Josiah X. And basically, you know, Malcolm X and the Marvel Universe.
00:47:25
Speaker
who becomes Captain America, or you should have become Captain America. Yeah, should have been Captain America. Yeah. And that was a character that I wish we had gotten to see again, because he hasn't popped up since that series. But then we also got, you know, Eli Bradley and the Young Avengers, Patriot. So, you know, they've had they've kept they've kept that legacy alive in the comics, at least, which, you know, and I think that's a testament to
00:47:48
Speaker
how powerful that original series was. And to bring in Carl Lumley to play Isaiah in this was just- Oh, man. Perfect casting. Carl Lumley, for a lot of people, is the first black superhero in media. I know you had Robert Townsend before him and the guy who played A-Bar, but the one that most people, I think, remember is Carl Lumley as the Mantis.
00:48:14
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. And I love the Mantis as a kid, man. That show was incredible. That show was incredible. So to see him come full circle and get to play this role, like who would have thought when he was doing a Fox TV show that years later he would get to be the Black Captain America, the first Black Captain America in the MCU. So that was a very cool nod that they decided to go that route on casting.
00:48:39
Speaker
And they had that element of tragedy. Cause if you remember in the truth, like his mind had been kind of degraded from all the experiments they had done on him. And in this one, and I think they kind of combined elements of Josiah's story with Isaiah and to make the, he's almost like a composite character in that way. Cause he's very much, he's very much with it. But they added that element of tragedy. Cause in the comic books, you know, his wife is still alive and she's taking care of him. Yeah.
00:49:06
Speaker
But here they have the aspect his wife is dead and she died while he was in prison. They never let him read any of the letters she sent and all that. And that adds them so dirty. And it's a whole different element of tragedy to his story, because at least in the in the comics, you know, he's not really fully aware of what had happened to this guy knows everything that happened to him.
00:49:27
Speaker
Yeah. And that just makes this story even more tragic because I know that we have a way of blocking things out, but literally he says that he remembers everything. So I can't imagine
00:49:43
Speaker
having to wake up every day and the kind of nightmares or even the day mares that he might have the experience just from the traumas he's seen. So it really did bring a lot of weight to his character and a real sharp jolt of reality to Sam.
Sam's Journey to Captain America
00:50:00
Speaker
Not to say that Sam wasn't grounded enough, but
00:50:03
Speaker
I kind of feel like it was just a side that if they were going to go the route that they're going to make Sam cap, they did need to really bring the black experience to the table and not just be like, here, Sam, here you go. And Sam, like, thanks. I'm going to be the best cap ever. And in credits, like he has to he has to weigh both sides of the coin. And I think that's important just to his character and a testament to
00:50:33
Speaker
Oh, my, my brain sucks. Anthony Mackie's acting ability. Yes. Yeah.
00:50:41
Speaker
And also tying into that too, like when they leave Isaiah's house and the cops try and stop them, like that was just like, I'm just like a whole, and the heel turn as soon as they realize who he is. And I'm just like, I'm like, that's just, it kills you. And it's just like, it's like, you know what? Yeah, you're all apologies now because you know, he's a superhero who can kick your ass, but you know, it's just like up until that point. And I imagine it's probably the same thing with, you know,
00:51:12
Speaker
black guys who are athletes or celebrities or something like that. Like they get pulled over and it's like, it's like, Hey, Hey, that's, that's the guy like, Oh, oh shit. I'm so sorry, Mr. You know, so-and-so. And it's the exact same thing I imagine.
00:51:23
Speaker
Yeah, mostly I would think it would happen more with the athletes because with celebrities, I feel like a cop would be like, oh, I'm about to take down Snoop Dogg. I'm definitely gonna wanna make this arrest. And not that anybody should be arrested in Snoop's old ass. But I mean, yeah, it literally happens all the time where someone's racially profiled and the police go after a black guy and they're like, oh, and then they start running stuff and they're like, oh, we didn't realize you were the sixth man off the next bench.
00:51:50
Speaker
Sorry about that. And then we'll just send you in a way. And it's like, yeah, but you kind of made me get on the ground and everything. You cut me before you took my ID and ran it. And so it was very, again, ground in reality. And again, that was another way to drive home the point to Sam, that even if you're Captain America, you think he's somebody's not going to pull him over and be like, oh, crap, you're Captain America.
00:52:16
Speaker
It's just awful. Well, it's also an echo of what happens at the bank, right? When the guy's like, you're, you're falcon. He's like, high five. And he's like, you know, can I, can I get a selfie with you? And then he's just like, he's like, really? You want to get, you want to get a selfie with me after you just denied me alone. Alone. It's just like, yeah, it's a cruel, cruel place. Yeah. And it's, it, it, and those little moments are, are
00:52:44
Speaker
I like, the series doesn't make them the focus, but it kind of does in another way, right? It all kind of builds up to these larger themes they're talking about. I thought it did a really good job with those things. Yeah. Because again, in order for them to really sell Sam as Cap, you have to look at all sides of it. And you can't just give Sam the shield because the fanboy like, well, we don't want Sam to be Cap. And we didn't like him when he was a Cap in the comic books, blah, blah, blah.
00:53:13
Speaker
We don't like that. To kind of have Sam truly go on a journey and really, really work to earn to be capped, because we're going to talk about here on next episode. But the shield scenes later, where he's just training, phenomenal. And again, grounded in reality that you can't just pick up capped shield and sling it and it comes back to you. No, you've got to train with that MFR, man. Yeah, yeah, especially if you have any super soldier ceremony.
00:53:42
Speaker
Mm hmm. Exactly. And yeah, just like the first three episodes, I think, are just, you know, solid all the way through. I think the latter half that the series had stumbled a little bit and that's when you really feel the pandemic effects and the rewrites coming in. Yes. But the first three episodes, totally solid. And just like the stuff with Isaiah, the stuff
00:54:04
Speaker
with Zemo, all of it just works together. And the action, like, you know, it's basically, you know, looking at the trailers, everyone was doing was saying like, oh, it's, you know, you know, Falcon and Bucky, they're the they're the Rigs and Murtaugh of the Marvel Universe. It's like lethal weapon. Yeah, yeah. And I'm like, and I'm fine with that. I have no problem with that. Right.
00:54:27
Speaker
Yeah, the first three episodes do so much world building in such a short amount of time. And we really haven't touched on Bucky that much because it's been so Sam focused so far. But Bucky goes on his own journey as well and both characters
00:54:42
Speaker
come out better than they were at the beginning of it. So I think that's something that was super important going into this as well because people and even friends of mine are skeptical about the MCU Disney Plus shows because they're like, I don't want to watch 10 episodes of Winter Soldier Falcon. I don't want to do that. I just want to watch a two and a half hour movie. That's cool. But at the same time, you have to realize that
00:55:06
Speaker
you're you're getting just as much story from the tv series as you are from a movie and is broken up so yeah it sucks waiting week to week when you're watching it live um but it's still the same mcu tried and true storytelling method and it's allowing them to really dive deeper in those characters you know like we were talking about you know we didn't really see that much it it's
Skepticism Towards Disney+ Marvel Series
00:55:30
Speaker
It's funny when you look back in retrospect, because when you were saying that, that hadn't clicked with me, because I'm just like, oh, yeah, that's right. We didn't really get a whole lot of Sam in the movies. And we kind of take it for granted after we see this show. It's like, oh, yeah. Because we also got the impressions of him from the comics, too. So we kind of build this character in our mind. And we kind of think that he's had more screen time than he actually has had.
00:55:54
Speaker
And I think the same is true with Wanda and Vision, like we got. Oh, yeah. I mean, because we thought we knew everything about Wanda and Vision before Wanda Vision. Like I was like, oh, yeah, you know, she's Quicksilver's brother and he died in the age of Ultron. And then she lost her accident and she fell in love with Vision and they ran away. And there was just so much more to explore. And we're not talking about Wanda Vision clearly, but they did a wonderful job exploring both of those characters.
00:56:21
Speaker
Yeah. Again, especially at the end with the pandemic, whereas like especially it was early pandemic. So they're literally like, all right, we're only going to put two of you together. Try to make magic. So I am appreciative of of the TV series, personally. And yeah, it's it's more more watching, I guess. But you would just go sit there and watch Winter Soldier again anyway. So why not watch?
00:56:48
Speaker
It does drive me crazy when I see people on Twitter saying like, oh, there's too much superhero stuff. I'm like, motherfucker, do you know what it was like for us when we were kids? I mean, we would have, we would have, you know, pushed our grandma down a flight of stairs to get this much content back. Do you remember the 2000s, apparently? It was so like, everybody's like, oh, let's do a superhero movie. Here's Ghost Rider.
00:57:10
Speaker
Like, oh, here's the Watchmen, which I haven't watched in years, but I did like the Watchmen when I first saw it. You go way back to one of our early episodes. We talked about that, and I tore into that movie. Yeah, I mean, it's easy to do. Crazy to do. But there was way more misses than there were hits. Oh, yeah, yeah.
00:57:27
Speaker
2003 Hawk, which some people love, some people hate it. Go back earlier, right? You know, remember like the mid-90s when we had Nick Fury and Generation X. Or almost had Roger Corman, Fantastic Four. Yeah, yeah.
00:57:41
Speaker
Yeah. We've come a long way. Or, you know, we had Vannon talking about Infinity War in the last episode. And he was talking about how he's like, you know, you know, back before the MCU, you know, we had like, you know, this really bad Thor and all the TV movie. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah, man. And it was like, when I see, yeah, when I see people complaining about there's too much, I'm like, just like, motherfucker, just shut up.
00:58:09
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So those are the two big takeaways. Mark Millard's drunk and, you know, just shut up. Shut up. Enjoy the MCU and shut up. Yeah. All right. But I think that I think that wraps up the first three episodes. Yeah. And we talked about Madripoor. Sharon Carter showed up. We're going to talk about her. We'll talk about her more in the next episode. Absolutely. Yeah. Because there's a lot of going with her and some interesting turns they took with her character. Yeah.
00:58:33
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Yeah. Uh, okay. Kel, you want to tell people where they can find you? Yeah. You can, um, follow me on Twitter at B hyphen B H Y P H E N. Um, all of anything I'm working on, always post on
Kellen Connelly's Promotions
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there. Um, I have a link tree link in there and it has like my YouTube channel videos I'm working on or any podcast I'm doing. I have two podcasts. I have a wrestling one called razzle cast power hour. And then my own podcast hyphen nation,
00:58:59
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that comes out when I find time during the week. But there's like hundreds of episodes for you to listen to. So you can go check that out or you can just go to hyphenuniverse.com and all the links are conveniently placed on the front page. Okay, great. And as for my stuff, I've got, you listen to this now, I've got a science fiction serial. So if you're a Kindle Vella reader, I got that out now, it's called Coursera's.
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You can find out that, all other information about my writing at percivalconstantene.com.
00:59:28
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And for this show, Superherocinephiles.com, Supercinemapod on Twitter and Instagram, Superherocinephiles on Facebook. You know, like us, review us on Apple Podcasts, anywhere you get your shows. And yeah, and do five stars. Even if you hate the show, get them five stars. And on Spotify, you can do the five stars, too, if you haven't abandoned it because of Joe Rope. So that's right.
00:59:51
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He's trash. I'm going to throw that out there. I still use Spotify, but he's trash. Another hot take. Yes. All right. Mark Miller's drunk and Joe Rogan is trash. That was a superhero show. Yeah. All right. That does it for us and come back to the next episode where we're going to be talking about the latter half of Falcon and Winter Soldier. Thanks so much for listening and we'll talk to you next time.
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