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SCP Classic – Once Upon a Deadpool (2018)
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We wrap up our flashback to Deadpools of SCP Past. This week, revisit Perry's conversation with comedian and podcaster, Will Short, about Once Upon a Deadpool!
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The PG-13 Deadpool Experience
00:00:28
Speaker
Wakey, wakey, frosted, flakey. Hey, brought you a special present. I'm her. Story time, chicken nugget. Rise and shine. Here we go. Put your eyes full hearts. You can't lose. Welcome back. What's going on? Wait a minute. Where am I? You addressed me.
00:00:55
Speaker
I did. I'm a big fan of bears. I'm not wearing pants. When's the last time you saw a bear wearing pants? What, what the f... Easy now. Hey, the only F-bomb we're using around here is Fred Savage. Now, I want you to take a deep breath and listen to me very carefully, Frederick. You're in a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2, which means we only get two s***, one f***,
00:01:19
Speaker
And a glass of white wine. Are you bleeping yourself? You bet your ****ing voice and little **** I am. That seems weird that you would do that yourself. Please stop that. Sorry.
00:01:38
Speaker
Did you... We construct the bedroom set from the Princess Bride. Inconceivable! Oh, God. Yeah, I was wanting to say that. Felt real good. Why am I here? Well, the reason that you're voluntarily here is so I could read you the story of Deadpool 2 filtered through the prism of childlike innocence. I'm a grown man. And nobody does childlike innocence like you, Fred. Nobody. I need you almost as much as you need me. I don't need you at all. You need me to untie you once we're done.
00:02:09
Speaker
Hey, easy sugar mouth. This thing will go all day. I'll write lithium ion batteries. Hey, you are gonna love this story. I promise you, it's got fencing, fighting, revenge, giants, monsters, true love, and miracles. Now, once upon a time.
First Impressions of Deadpool Movies
00:02:29
Speaker
Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I'm your host, Perry Constantine, and welcoming him back ah once again is Will Short. Will, how you doing today?
00:02:38
Speaker
I'm doing great. I've never seen this movie. This is the first time we're doing something where I'm just brand new to even the character almost. Yeah. So this is this goes back to people who who watched your first appearance, listened to your first appearance when you came out to talk about ah Just League of America.
00:02:55
Speaker
yeah We were talking about that and in it, I had mentioned that we were talking about like superhero parodies and I mentioned that, you know, the Deadpool movies are kind of a good example of parody and you had said that you'd never seen them. So then I thought, oh, OK, well, let's um and then I thought and I thought to spring it on you at
Deadpool 2: The PG-13 Cut
00:03:12
Speaker
that time. So yeah right on the air, I kind of force you into it to commit to watching Once Upon a Deadpool, which is also an interesting choice because It's not the first Deadpool movie. It's technically not the second Deadpool. It technically is and it isn't the second Deadpool movie because it's ah it's a re-edit of the second movie with, um ah it's re-edited to be PG-13 and interspersed with the scenes of Deadpool kidnapping Fred Savage and reading the story of Deadpool 2 to him you know in reference to the Princess Bride.
00:03:45
Speaker
and ah Because Derek and I, we had covered both the Deadpool movies on the show before, and I thought, And I was watching, I'm like, I wonder how much, and Derek had mentioned during when we had covered Deadpool 2, and I just relistened that episode, that if if you'd show just Deadpool 2 to someone without showing them Deadpool 1, they could follow it pretty well. So part of it was I kind of wanted to test that theory. Part of it, I wanted to see like just how you'd react, just being thrust right into the defense. So it would and part of it was also a little bit of, because you're not a Deadpool fan, so part of it was also revenge for making me watch just League of America.
00:04:24
Speaker
well, it was not nearly as malicious and and ah Vile as an attack on me as the JLA was on you. Yeah sure um But yeah, it is an interesting first exposure to a thing It's it's like seeing a TV edit of of a famous movie is your first exposure to something almost because and yes there's new content to it with the Fred Savage stuff and then for a character and a franchise now that is known for uh rebald doesn't you know really begin to describe what's going on uh that it is the pg-13 version which still has plenty of like shit in there um it is a funny exposure to it that i'm coming at it from like through three layers of
00:05:07
Speaker
of distance, I guess.
Comic Influences and Evolution
00:05:10
Speaker
But yeah, I was real, and also I just said, you know what, I'm gonna do, I wanna watch it. I watched it last night. I did like the minimal amount of research. I usually, I dive into stuff probably too much when I get into these things. But I was like, I'm just gonna look a little bit. I read one Deadpool comic, my very first one, I believe. Which one was that? The first of the Joe Kelly one. Oh, okay, that's a good one. That's a good one. From like 97, I guess, or 98. And I think that was the first Deadpool,
00:05:37
Speaker
comic I'd ever read and maybe the only like real appearance of Deadwood or Deadwood of Deadpool in a comic I've read I've maybe seen him pop up for like a panel or two but I don't know that I've ever ah seen him featured in a comic that I've read. Okay so that was that was actually gonna be my first question is like what because I know you said you don't really have much exposure to him but yeah um so I was gonna ask you what exposure to the character have you had before this?
00:06:02
Speaker
And and that of course reading him as a character, that's that's the experience. But you you know i you and I are around the same age, so I grew up like getting into the X-Men through the Jim Lee era and the cartoon, and that's the same era as Rob Liefeld's X-Force and where debt and New Mutant Run, which I like New Mutants as they were less than I liked them once Rob Liefeld got on the... Yeah, book yeah, but I even had like the oh a reprint of the last new mutants issue before they transitioned into X-Force like I was into into that so Deadpool was around and I was very aware of him I only as a character I should
00:06:43
Speaker
know and think is cool. Like I was being told that he was cool but that's also before he was given a lot of the development that I know came over time more like how much he joked around how and the fourth wall breaking stuff but I really just knew him as and as we got as a 90s you know like here's a great example of a 90s Marvel character right yeah all the great and and not so great about that and as I got into that was around the time that I started to transition over to DC and get into Green Lantern and JLA and then later Vertigo stuff so it was an easy
00:07:20
Speaker
side of marvel to just make fun of and not even look into and when people told me later no there's a great Deadpool run that you know at some point I was like okay yeah sure whatever and then clearly regardless of what I think he's a money maker for sure and plenty of fans out there but yeah that that's all that was all my exposure was very much impressions from afar Yeah, and, you know, you're not wrong to have those impressions of the character, because that's exactly what he was, pretty much up until the Joe Kelly run. Well, I guess you could also make an argument for, because Fabian Nicieza did like a few limited series before that, which are pretty decent too, but it was really the Joe Kelly run that kind of cemented him as someone being able to hold his own as a character and actually kind of became a character because, you know, you look at Deadpool's first appearances, it's,
00:08:08
Speaker
you know back when it was New Mutants which Rob Liefeld basically turned it into a Teen Titans ripoff and Deadpool was basically a Deathstroke ripoff so much so that I'd seen this recent Twitter exchange where someone said someone had done a color someone said like if you did a color swap on Deathstroke and it'd basically be Deadpool and Rob Liefeld's no low that's not at all true and the guy proved it by doing a color swap.
Influence of Artists on Deadpool
00:08:30
Speaker
Why does, he said, it's funny, it's one of those things, it's almost like a Trump thing where it's like, I don't know if you just truly believe your own BS all the time, or if you are if if you you've drank your own Kool-Aid, or if you are adamantly trying to deny it, because you just can't face up to these things that you did. Like the things, the way that you do things. Like if someone mentions feet to this guy, I swear he's gonna be like, it's the same thing as the small hands. It's like, no, I can draw feet, no problem. Like, can't handle a joke about it. It's so funny.
00:08:59
Speaker
well you know the weird thing too is um it's so funny because it reminds do you ever see this vanilla ice clip from like back in the yeahp in the 80s where he's talking about under pressure and he's like no we we sampled it but it's a different baseline if you listen to it's like that he does the he's like that's what theirs is like and ours is like this and you listen you're like That's the exact same fucking thing. is it one and he He gives it one extra base note, and what's so funny, what I love about that, it's funny because it's so easy to hate and love him in that moment because you can see the look on his face. He knows he's pulling the wool over your eyes. He's like, I'm a mischievous kid right now, and we got away with something, although they really he didn't. Ultimately, there was some litigation. He eventually had to like pay for it, yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's a sample. That's what it is. But yeah, it it is. That's that I can appreciate because I'm like, OK, I know that you know you're conning me right now. And that's funny. And that's kind of charming with life. felt I feel like I mean, man, at least just seeing him online, it just seems like the guy just doesn't have a sense of humor about himself. Yeah. so
00:09:58
Speaker
One of the biggest crimes you can have especially when you're kind of a purveyor of trash Which is less to even like I can see the appeal of his art. I clearly have critiques of it Yeah, but if you could laugh at like, yeah, isn't this crazy the stuff that I draw? Isn't it extreme? Like have you seen the Stan Lee? ah the videos from the early 90s where Stan Lee is interviewing people like Todd McFarlane and Rob Liefeld and for this video series. Oh, no, no. OK, well, it's I won't go into all of it. It's definitely worth watching. It's it's really great and funny because Stan Lee is roasting these guys a bit and like him and Rob Liefeld and Todd McFarlane team up and are like die designing a character based off of a Stan Lee suggestion like in the moment. And Rob Liefeld suggestions, all the things he wants to do, there's just no self-awareness of like, yeah, you want to give him big shoulder pads. Yeah, you really want to do these pouches like he's just going down a list of Rob Liefeld. you know, ah additives to the thing. And I'm like, I mean, I got to appreciate that artists like him, Todd McFarlane, I have more respect for, but we're tapped very much into a 13-year-old mindset that appealed to many. And I cannot take that away from them. It's it's like, it's not, it's laughable now. But, you know, the design of Deadpool, it is like, hey, let's kind of do Spider-Man. Hey, let's Let's do Deathstroke, all that stuff. So there's an appeal,
Character Development through Writers
00:11:20
Speaker
but yeah, Rob Liefeld, man. i
00:11:23
Speaker
Well, the really funny thing of big about Rob Life, at least he's designed, he's made all these characters and he takes all the credit for their popularity now, discounted the fact that they only became popular after he left. Yeah. Yeah. That like, I mean, I, cause I, at least amongst my friends that were into comics, but didn't stick with comics that they were, and they weren't in it for the boom of, of selling them. But it was like at that time in 1991 to 92, when right even the kids who weren't you know, reading Marvel Handbook or whatever were into that stuff. Deadpool and characters that were designed by these image you know later image artists were just jumping off the page and and people just thought that they were the coolest thing. right Cable included, all these things. and they ah Part of it was the attitude that even though there wasn't really much character to them, it was just like they're a look and they are all
00:12:14
Speaker
hard asses right that's yeah really what was the appeal about them and yeah i mean yeah the appearance the design is part of it but yeah i don't know it's it's just like if i know sometimes like stan lee trying to take a lot of credit for or all the credit for something or you know, for where it's like, I don't know, a man, you kind of just add a dialogue to maybe this one. Well, the thing that kills me is when he tries to take credit for the expense stuff, when it's like, that was not you at all. No, no, no, no, not at all. Yeah, yeah, absolutely not. And so, yeah, it's ah but i I do love to see how
00:12:46
Speaker
These characters that were popular and and Cable and Deadpool, who are both in the movie, I mean, it's like, you know, a smorgasbord of those characters being reimagined in a way that is ah its some in some ways just like they were, specifically shattered Shatter Star. Exactly. It's so funny to see like a truly Rob Liefeld accurate comic design on the screen. I wish we had seen that with Cable, at least for a minute, just to give us the super armored up giant, you know, ah so many pouches version. Just for even a a shot and then they edit it out or whatever but um It's funny to see all those characters But I like how they've all managed to stick in The X-Men world in Marvel and get developed into something by writer by you know writers over time and other truly better artists Into they're just part of the world. They're baked in now, right? Yeah, and a way to make them work which is something ah unique to comics where it's like well We said it now we have to live with it Right, exactly. Yeah. And, you know, the life of characters like, you know, Cable and Deadpool, definitely Domino as well. All these, like, they were just these one note, very paper thin characters when they were introduced. And then it was like, you know, Fabian E.C.A. on Deadpool. Jeff Loeb did a lot of work on Cable, Joe Casey, ah Robert Weinberg, and
00:14:02
Speaker
you know, Domino too. She had a bunch of good work done on her on the X-Force title. And then, you know, even Shatterstar, like, you know, I'm not sure if you ever read ah Peter David's second X Factor run. I did. Yeah, I mean, yeah he made Shatterstar into an interesting character. Like, if there's ever, you ever want proof that the man knows how how to, that's that old axiom is like, there's no such thing as a bad character, there's only bad writers. I mean, Peter David proved that with Shatterstar.
00:14:28
Speaker
oh Totally yeah, I mean he can yeah he that's a specialty of his isn like finding a way to make entertainment out of And enjoyable characters out of something that really probably in some cases was meant as a joke He'll get that character into someone you care about and has a unique take on them um Yeah, I love that stuff again. That's it's so comics to me especially a Marvel thing where it's just like I here's ah Here's a regrettable choice that we made to let this happen right and sometimes and then that character becomes somebody's favorite and someone takes them seriously and they're appearing in comics 30 years later. yeah yeah still yeah and and And in this case, in films that are making millions upon millions of dollars and everyone knows who they are.
00:15:13
Speaker
So um let's jump into it. How how was how was hos your experience watching Once Upon a Deadpool? So I didn't feel, I think you could, as far as the theory of you could watch this and really not be in the dark, you know, again, I think being someone who's read a lot of comics and a lot of Marvel and been kept up with these things even from a distance when I'm not reading, I have a bit of ah a benefit, you know, of being familiar, but I wasn't. Just like through like the osmosis of being a comic book fan type of thing. Exactly that, yeah.
00:15:43
Speaker
Uh, I didn't feel like way out of the loop. It was, I kind of forgot that his main thing, Deadpool's main thing is like, oh, he's a contract killer is kind of his story generator as a way, you know, like that's when he gets into trouble. And then we go from there. So once it started off, I was like, okay, well, so we're picking up at the end of the first movie, essentially once we skip, get past the framing device and.
00:16:04
Speaker
Yeah, okay. He has a girlfriend and that's really that was the only part that felt like I had to really Understand that what came before right and then everything else was either just easy to understand in the moment or was a new thing So I would say proven proven fact you can get into this ah at very least as a you know out of touch comic fan With this stuff, ah which was good. I mean and it's a pretty simple story overall as a compliment. I don't mean that as ah as a problem, but it is kind of a series of set pieces. Like I liked how fast it moved from one thing to another. And I, of course, we're talking about a version that is an edit of what originally came out. So I don't know um how quickly it moved, you know, versus the the original cut of the movie. you Mostly it's the same. Like I'm surprised that pretty much all the same, the major beats are still there. um
00:16:57
Speaker
it's I mean obviously uh like when I watch this uh you know it's funny I I've seen this movie like twice now and what I usually do when I watch this movie is I just kind of like skim through the the Deadpool 2 stuff and I just go straight to the Fred Savage scenes because if I want to watch Deadpool 2 I'll go watch the the extended go to Deadpool 2 I'm not going to watch this um but one of the things I think that was it's kind of funny because this movie was so obviously a cash grab,
Marketing and Fan Engagement
00:17:26
Speaker
right? it's They released it at Christmas, they and they say were releasing Deadpool 2, and we're we're editing it down to PG-13, because Fox had always wanted to do Deadpool in PG-13, because they were like, with the first movie too, they're like, oh, we want this to be PG-13, you know, it's all the other X-Men movies are PG-13, you know, R-rated superhero movies don't sell very well, and then
00:17:49
Speaker
And it was, you know, fans campaign and Ryan Reynolds too to his credit they campaign hard to make sure that it got in our rating. They even did um one of the, one of the trailer spots of the first Deadpool movie and, and again, like the the marketing on these movies is brilliant. oh But they had this one um where they had Ryan Reynolds talking with someone I think it was like,
00:18:11
Speaker
one of the guys from ah Saved by the Bell who's like now an entertainment reporter or something. Oh, Mario Lopez. Mario Lopez, yeah. And, you know, they had Ryan Reynolds saying like, oh, yeah, it's going to be PG-13 and everything. And then Deadpool appears behind him and shoots him in the back of the head. He's like, no, it's going to be rated R.
00:18:26
Speaker
ah but Yeah, that's I mean, yeah, i I remember seeing just over the years a lot of extra stuff that I'm like, I'm not even watching like live television and I'm managing to see things. Yeah, where he's playing Deadpool. So I he's all over and and yeah, it seems like they really I mean that's that's one thing that from afar I have liked seeing is that here's somebody Ryan Reynolds who has really campaigned to bring a this version of the character that is very much reflective of the character in the comics that people already liked to the public and to try and stick to, I mean, I'm not the authority on
Ryan Reynolds: The Face of Deadpool
00:19:06
Speaker
ah accurate Deadpoolism, but it seems that a very accurate your reflection of the character. And I know that like lots of the supporting cast that we see are from the Joe Kelly comics and everything like that. so
00:19:21
Speaker
And to to strike out for the our rating would be amongst those things and it's and it's only brought them success as a result. And so there is very it's like a grassroots thing where it's like the fans now demand that and if they aren't already they are now and so you've got like everybody's on board for this and it's cool to see that come together. iy Because often when an actor is that into it and trying to make things happen, it is maybe for an ego decision yeah reason or they're out of touch with what people would actually want. I will say it it is interesting to read about how much, I did a cursory look at like Ryan Reynolds had even more control over Deadpool 2 than Deadpool 1 and it is kind of interesting. you know I believe that the director from the first one was supposed to direct the second one. Right, Tim Miller, yeah.
00:20:08
Speaker
Yeah, and then left at least ah reportedly partially because of the expanded role that Ryan Reynolds had on the second one. I don't mean to say that there's bad blood, just that he was not digging the right direction that they were going in. So, um I mean, i I like Ryan Reynolds as a public figure. I always find him just kind of like Paul and seems like a normal guy, whatever that means. But I do think that his he's not the only one influencing the comedy of the show, but he's he is clearly, I mean, he's a co-writer on the script. And as I understand it, was ad-libbing a ton on on the show because here's a character where for once they actually keep his mask on most of the time. Unlike in Black Panther, these Marvel movies are like, you know ah Iron Man, anytime he's gonna have a one-to-one conversation, the faceplate comes up, Right. You paid for for Robert. You paid for Robert. dinneder yeah Yeah. Yeah. You put him on screen. And and it's funny because I always complain that I also get it. Like I know why. But it just feels like you're in the middle of a fight. Keep your face played on it. My favorite thing was with the with Chris Evans is Captain America how every time they'd find some way for his mask to get pulled off. Yeah. Yeah. Just use that. You know, that blue I mean, basically they and the
00:21:18
Speaker
Oh, the second one, and Winter Soldier, they kind of went with that blue, you know, with no mask look away from the comics. That's a great look. Just do that at the end of the day. Don't even keep taking it off. But yeah. And go ahead. Pick up what you were saying again. You're talking about Ryan Reynolds. And so he he.
00:21:37
Speaker
because the character has the full, you know, Spider-Man style, full face mask, that, of course, um he was doing acting on set. He was not just miming everything, but they were able to go back in ADR, a dialogue replace, anything that they wanted to, really. That wasn't him, you know, on screen with his face showing, which in some ways is a boon. You can tweak stuff and you're like, hey, we don't have the joke quite there. we You can punch it up later. But they were doing that quite a bit from what I was reading. And I, you know, I i think my main complaint And I was I will say up top I was always interested in this movie to see what happened next Mm-hmm. I was I was invested in that way throughout The funnily enough the thing that I was just not really into was most of the humor which is okay most of the movie But somehow I was still interested but there's a nature an overcooked nature to a lot of jokes in it Especially from him where it's more clever to me than funny and some of that comes from delivery because his delivery is he's not very manic I kind of appreciate the relaxedness of Deadpool the character sometimes because right you could do like a
00:22:42
Speaker
a full Jim Carrey and kind of be two you know too extra all the time. But I do wonder if some of that may come from the option of tooling jokes and dialogue down to the last minute. I think a big part of it is just And I said this when we talked about the other Deadpool movies, but this is basically who Ryan Reynolds is. Like, you take away you take away the the superpowers, you take away the whole assassin angle. Like, that personality, that's Ryan Reynolds. He's always, you see him in interviews, you see him and on Twitter, you see him in all these different things. Like, he is this guy. So this is just very natural for him.
00:23:19
Speaker
sure sure when that's the thing is like i don't i think him his performance in this uh i think the performance is fine it is really ah i mean well i say that i think where there are times where The material is not being served by delivery or vice
Humor and Personal Taste
00:23:35
Speaker
versa. The delivery is great, but I just am not digging. It's like it almost in even though the references aren't out of date or if they are, it's on purpose. you Right. the Whatever the 80s music reference is or this thing. it It feels like comedy that would I would have seen when Ryan Reynolds was new on the scene or or just a rising star like in 2005. I think the only movie that I've seen him in as a lead ah would be Waiting and that that would have been like oh that would have been a really early one for him But it felt it felt like that's a lot of what I was I was getting from its style wise and so and the thing is of course I look at I'm like well a lot of people are digging this so it's not a matter of quality and It's a matter of taste. I think at the end of the day, ah not not a taste of like, well, good taste or bad taste, but just where you come from. i'm Right. Personal taste. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm I think I'm not I think fourth wall stuff for me can work.
00:24:32
Speaker
I don't it's not my favorite kind of comedy style. and And there is more on display here than that. But there's a ton of that. And some of those do work for me, i especially the there are a few times where like Fred Savage, specifically when he reacts to cable being in the movie and has this big Marvel fan info dump.
00:24:51
Speaker
about is he the son of Cyclops and Jean Grey or Madeleine Pryor and all this stuff like that was a funny moment. And I feel like I would hope that anyone could just find that funny. But there are times where it works for me. So it's not even an across the board thing. But some of it is the everything feels pretty tossed off delivery. Like i And so it ends up feeling like I'm getting a list of jokes that people have worked on over time. The thing is it's hard to critique like a dramatic arc or anything like that. And one, it's mostly a comedy. Two, it's a comedy or a movie that knows it's a movie. And he certainly knows it is. so And three, it's also it's like half.
00:25:28
Speaker
It's like half a serious comedy, half parody of the superhero movies. Exactly. and And I think that there are things in there that I think overall, if I'm sitting there and looking at the the intent and and what they tried to pull off humor wise, my rating is clever, i but not funny for me so much. There are times where I had some laugh out loud moments, but I was like, oh, that's smart. You know, that's a smart.
00:25:51
Speaker
um here's Here's a here's a question I think um because I feel kind of the same way watching this cut of it and I wonder how much is that uh what should you feel was funnier do you feel the Fred Savage stuff was sp funnier or the stuff that was actually part of Deadpool 2 proper? I feel like let me see the the Fred Savage stuff ah when they're just having interactions at first I was a little worried because I just didn't really It felt canned and it knew it was feeling canned, but I didn't think it was delivering on humor at first for me. And then when they got to play around a little bit more, again, the that when there's a moment that I did find funny where between them or Fred Savage is making fun of the fact that they're with Fox.
00:26:33
Speaker
yeah and And there's ah ah or a reaction from Deadpool where he stops and goes, we we are Marvel. And it felt like his character believed that. Not only is he offended, but like he's like, but no, we are as good as that. Like he's not even ready for this criticism. That was a funny moment for me. And they get into the whole Nickelback producing Beatles thing. That's another thing where I'm like, this is a funny observation, and but this almost feels like it felt like material, not necessarily dialogue for me.
00:27:02
Speaker
Uh, but so I think, speaking of, did you see the, I said, I told you about the Nickelback, uh, extended thing on YouTube. oh no no i see There's a, there's an extended piece of it where it's, and where he's, where Deadpool just goes on this whole rant about how he's sick of all the Nickelback bashing. Right. and he just goes through like all the all of Nickelback's accolades and then you know and Fred Savage is like I'm sorry I thought we were I thought we were you know riffing and Deadpool's like all seriously hurt and he's like right you were much nicer as a kid Fred and it just gets like really quiet and then all of a sudden Fred Savage just starts singing Nickelback
00:27:41
Speaker
What I'm going to bet that there was like true riffing going on on. Oh, yeah. I mean, then it's what's funny because, you know, the first time it came on, we were talking about this movie and I was talking about like, yeah, Fred Savage seems like a cool guy or whatever. And then like right after that, the week it got released, there's allegations and he's fired from the new one for years for this shit. So.
00:27:59
Speaker
I remember when I was listening back to that episode, I'm like, oh, wow, this is not age. Well, bad timing, bad timing. But, ah you know, that's that's just how it is. But, you know, he's done a lot of comedy stuff like he directed a lot of Sonny Phil in Philadelphia. Excuse me, Sonny in Philadelphia episodes and has worked a lot in realms where it's like, yeah, riffing and and being funny on the spot. We had this day. Deadpool even mentions, you know, I love Modern Family, so I didn't know he was involved in that either.
00:28:24
Speaker
so like there's I mean I would bet that between those two guys there's a lot of that that they're working with on set um but it's I mean those scenes were fine for me there was some stuff in it I mean it's funny they weren't in there a lot I felt like they weren't featured that much as a framing device it's like there's a few closer at the top and then it kind of went away for a while Yeah, that that was kind of, I was kind of surprised cause I was, like I said, I was kind of skipping around a little bit and I'm just like, yeah did did I skip over some? Because it feels like I've been fast forwarding for a while now. And yeah, I think that's one of the biggest weaknesses is that, and I'm not, and I wonder how much of it was just like the pressures of Fox saying like, you know, we have to keep this under a certain time limit. We have to keep the PG 13 rating and I'm watching it and I think like,
00:29:09
Speaker
there's a misunderstanding by by the Fox studio on what they had here. Whereas like you know I think everybody who watched this movie, they didn't watch it because they wanted to see Deadpool 2 again. They didn't watch it because they wanted to see a PG-13 cut of Deadpool. right Nobody went to see this movie.
00:29:28
Speaker
who because they objected to seeing an R-rated Deadpool 2, right? The kids can finally see it. Exactly, yeah yeah. Everybody went to this movie because they wanted to see the framing stuff. And I think when, when and Fox kind of forgot about that at some point in the movie and and it shows and it feels like they say, oh, well, this is the the big stuff of the movies. I'm like, no, we're here for Fred Savage and Deadpool. We're not here for Deadpool 2.
00:29:51
Speaker
well yeah which is i mean yeah it is to think of it from that perspective yeah watching the movie it's like well no it's uh it's mostly the movie all right you know having not seen Deadpool 2 it's like there's a lot of movie here and we're just kind of i assumed we were just cutting to them when we needed to skip some things that they didn't want to show in a PG-13 film, you know which it's fun. Again, they they get away with, I mean, they even go into the things that you can and can't do to some extent in a PG-13 movie. The ah unnecessary bleeping is was a pretty funny gag, especially when he's talking about Matt Damon, the matt dave wanting to fight him. yeah That's a funny one that that goes on for a while that that worked for me. and But I was, and some it's funny because as much as it's like, okay, a lot of those worked for me, i am because I was interested to see what happened next in the story,
00:30:37
Speaker
I was telling like, okay, well, let's get back to the thing because I haven't seen this movie before. So like, get me show me what's going to happen with with Rusty and all this stuff because I kind of want to know what's going
Action and Emotional Depth
00:30:46
Speaker
on. And I think, you know, it's it's weird because the comedy wasn't my to my taste. But the action is pretty good. The action is really good. Yeah, it's it's well pulled off. And I was like, what I I found that I wanted was an X-Force movie. Mm hmm.
00:31:01
Speaker
played mostly straight where the action is the stake and Deadpool and his comedy is the parsley on the plate where he's he's there and he brings some of this business to it, but even just with the same filmmakers making a Grittier, you know because I mean I'll say this for sure I was way more entertained and engaged with this than the last two official x-men movies that came Yeah. Well, I mean, that's not hard. I mean, I mean, yeah, it's a very low bar. I mean, it's. Yeah. But but if you know, if you want to see this guy playing it straight, I mean, he directed he directed Atomic Blonde. If you ever seen that movie. I have it. And people are involved with John Wick as well. Right. On this. Yeah. He was he was an uncredited like director on John Wick, it says. So I think he was like probably like an assistant director or something.
00:31:55
Speaker
Yeah. But um also, oh, I didn't know this, but Hobbs and Shaw, the Fast and Furious one, I'm not sure if you saw that, but he directed that as well. Yeah. Well, yeah, there's an action pedigree behind it. And it's like, I had read something about how the first director had wanted to go in a more stylized direction. And I just saw the Elvis movie, which I found very entertaining. It's, it's Baz Luhrmann and it's just like a Fintasma Goria. It's just like, you're overloaded for two and a half hours. It's not about,
00:32:20
Speaker
reality it's about just you know bright colors and stuff and i and i really loved it for that and i was finding myself wishing that as the actions well shot but i was like oh maybe if this was like a more colorful world uh and it has a frenetic kinetic pace to it but i was like oh i i kind of would like to see that if the way that it was shot was more even more playful or if the the visuals were a little more and I wonder I wonder how much of that probably has to do with Fox because like they're stuck there because they're saying like this is technically still part of the X-Men universe we want to keep it in that kind of milieu and I think there's an even still like it Deadpool
00:32:59
Speaker
pushes it more than the X-Men movies do because they have him like, they have him in the costume for the whole time. They actually have colossus, like they've got colossus and they show him as a big metal guy, whereas in the X-Men movies, he only turns metal like for like five seconds at a time. Well, I mean, and not to put anyone down, but I mean, the person that they had, the guy that they had cast in claus as colossus, it felt like there was a lot of casting choices of important characters that were made at the last minute.
00:33:26
Speaker
with relatively no-name people oh yeah who yeah that are just... And Klass is being one of the most recognizable in across multimedia, you know, one of the best X-Men, let's say. They just kind of put somebody that you could not pick out of a lineup or that you've never heard of before to say a few lines in one movie. And then they would have to live with that in the third movie.
00:33:47
Speaker
I mean, they they recast so much. I don't know why they didn't just do that. But yeah, yeah but they they got this guy who's, you know, not even doesn't even try a Russian accent or anything like that where that's what the guy's known for what he looked. He looked fine as the character, but like and they didn't write a a real character for him, certainly not in his first appearance, but not in any of his appearances, like even when he's supposed to be part of the main X-Men team in the third movie, he doesn't he still doesn't say anything.
00:34:10
Speaker
I rewatched those movies a few years ago, and I was just flabbergasted by how many. I mean, obviously we live in a world now where it's like if a character appears on screen, they have a 10 year plan for that character in the MCU. Right. All these things have been tested and thought of and et cetera. And and sometimes that's not always the best thing. But they were so just by the seat of their pants throwing. Hey, let's just throw Jubilee on there. Hey, let's do it again. And a different actor. Hey, let's throw Kitty pride in the background. Let's also throw Jubilee in here 20 years before she's supposed to be born. They are just throwing these things around just like, hey, wouldn't this as though every movie is their last and also their first in some cases where it's like, I don't know. I don't know what I'm doing. Just throw more mutants on the screen or whatever. Yeah. like Yeah. So Colossus was ah highly underserved in that. So it is really cool to see him here. Like one of the the things that I saw from a distance when I saw these movies coming out, the Deadpool ones, I was like, oh, well, at least in these previews, Colossus is there. That's cool and unexpected and he looks pretty good. And I like the way that cable looks. I like the way that they've styled Domino. I just like these character designs and and the style of it overall. And so they do push it.
00:35:17
Speaker
I don't know, at at times both more comics accurate, more towards the X-Men, you know, like leathery style, let's say for Domino, a though she's kind of already there in the comics anyway, and into wackier places. And I end up liking the design for pretty much all the characters right yeah for those reasons. um Like, Roland does look great as Cable. That's a good choice. That's like an easy choice, almost. You're like, yeah, of course he does.
00:35:43
Speaker
Um, but the, and yeah, that's what I ended up wanting. The more that the team came together, you know, with Colossus with once it got paired down to Domino and him and Colossus being the main, I guess, the main group, I found myself wanting like, Oh, I just wish I was watching a good X-Men or an X-Men adjacent movie that had.
00:36:02
Speaker
ah and Some extra pairs of balls on it, which we yeah Yeah, kind of what you get here and that's I think where I was getting pulled back into it was oh we're gonna have a thing where we had and I liked the story of ive I Mean this would have been it would probably wouldn't garish at the time but like uh you know we were when school shootings were first happening uh it's time that they were first happening when they were starting to become a thing i remember thinking at the time there's got to be an x-men you know story where you have an ex you have a mutant teenager that has been bullied that is having this reaction and is taking it down on the school because they don't know what to do and seeing this version of rusty collins
00:36:44
Speaker
yeah deal with a trauma deal with I mean beyond bullying abuse and that way that was I was like oh here it is this isn't this is how a Dangerous mutant is created quote-unquote it is yeah if you caught magneto early on you know that kind of thing that that was a cool thing to me it was weird tonally And i his emotional, the emotional ah scenes that they had together actually really worked for me. The character of that actor is great. I really enjoyed him in the Hunt for the Willard people. Did you ever see that? I didn't see that, but he was also in Godzilla versus Kong.
00:37:15
Speaker
was The Hunt for the Wilder People is is a New Zealand one and I highly recommend it. It's really heartwarming and very funny. But he's great in this and I but i bought into their emotional relationship. ah and it's And that's hard to do sometimes when you know you have a character like Deadpool who exists in and out of emotional reality. right also was They did they have to attach the idea of sexual abuse to and I'm not I'm not a prude I'm not like I don't care I mean we can they can cover whatever but it seemed like you know They made this whole thing about calling the guy who headed the the Essex school a perv over and over again And it seemed like they only threw that in With with they wanted to throw in this heavy accusation this heavy reality thing. Yeah without really looking at edits, which is it doesn't have a place in this movie. So why throw that part on there? Yeah. um in their They don't really it's it's the same thing in the in the extended cut as well. Like they don't really touch on that. Like it's just they they show him torturing Russell Russell. Like they have got that. And I think the torturing goes on for a little bit longer than the extended cut. But but that's about it. Like and it just seems like it's something Deadpool's it's an accusation Deadpool's throwing out because they're creepy. They're creepy school.
00:38:31
Speaker
right right and they and maybe part of it is just me taking ah for face value that everyone jumps on board with that and that no one ah denies it you know maybe i'm i'm taking it to be like literal whereas the that wasn't the intent of the the writers but if if i'm accurate i'm like man let's just not even go there if we're not going to get i mean maybe in a movie with this level of irreverence and it's mostly comedy and these things but aside from that i was really digging the idea of yeah here's a a kid who's been through this and not only do we have to stop him so that the the soldier from the future doesn't kill him or whatever but that there's just a we we need to heal this person and so it's it's weird that that was
00:39:13
Speaker
well done in a movie like this, but ah again, that kind like if you I was imagining and and yearning for a type of like X-Force movie that was more on the serious side, and you're cutting about out these other things, and that's what you're at, is basically, we have to save the soul of this this child. But there was a lot of that in there, and and that really was what I latched onto above all, I would say. yeah And so that that guy had me engaged, doesn't really matter how you get me there. I was there. I think too, what was interesting is that And you haven't seen the first one, so you've got no frame of reference for this, but um I feel like the story's a lot stronger in this one compared to the first one. And also, and it's interesting because the first one had, you know, a dedicated supervillain character in that, right? Had a guy who was, you know, basically a bastard. He's basically there to be a supervillain.
00:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, this one doesn't really have a villain. I thought that was a pretty cool way because you've got, you know, cable ostensibly through most of the movie. But then the climax, it's it's all about Russell, but he's not really a villain. He's someone we just have to stop. And then you've got the juggernaut, but the juggernaut is just there as, you know, a henchman, more or less. Yeah, he's a weapon. almost yes that at his side Yeah. And then even the villain, ah the the headmaster or whatever you want to call it, the guy that's in charge of the school.
00:40:29
Speaker
is barely in the movie, and the damage he has done has already occurred. And now he's actually the person you're, for better or worse, trying to save, just so that he doesn't go through that. um Until Dopinder runs him over with the tag. Well, right, yeah, until that point. I was like, yeah, they're probably, especially with the accusations that they're throwing around, I don't think they're just gonna let this guy, especially with the, but when the the shot changes to be wider, and they're just showing him standing in the middle of of dirt, I'm like, yeah, he's about to die. Like, I thought an anvil was gonna drop on him. I just didn't know what, but then there was that. um Essex is a reference to Mr. Sinister, is that right? Yeah. Okay. but does But nothing else kind of popped up about Sinister in this. No, no, that was just that. But yeah, in the comic books, he ah Sinister ran an orphanage. like He ran the orphanage where were cyclop were Cyclops was. Cyclops. Yeah. Right. um Wasn't didn't Sinister show up like as a Easter egg or something at the end of one of the other X movies? but He showed up a few. He showed up at as an Easter egg and a few of them. So in the end of. Oh, what was it? um
00:41:34
Speaker
one of, I think it was apocalypse. There's a, because you have a, did you see apocalypse? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So you remember, so you've got the thing with with Wolverine in there with the whole weapon X stuff. And then yeah you see it at the end, there's something, there's someone who's walking away with like a,
00:41:50
Speaker
a briefcase or something like that that has like SX Corp on it or something like that. OK. And also in New Mutants. I'm not sure if you saw that, but I saw the first half and then I fell asleep. OK, so the school they're at, it's actually like the Essex school or something like that. So it's it's run by it's he never appears. Jon Hamm was supposed to play him. Actually, interesting like he was signed on to play it and then they changed their minds last minute. and They decided not to put it in.
00:42:15
Speaker
Wait a minute. And then I think the plan was to bring him in in the Channing Tatum Gambit movie, which never happened. um But he was originally supposed to have a cameo in New Mutants as Mr. Sinister, like at the end or something. And they decided to cut that out.
00:42:30
Speaker
Interesting. Yeah, it's I just I remember seeing I'm like, well, that's it. That's a very particular name And I I mean I've read a lot of stuff with mr. Sinister in it, but it's not a character that I'm i'm deeply invested in I it's funny cuz like my I on another episode I talked about like the big box of 80s Marvel comics that my cousin had that I don't do. There was a lot of great X-Men in there ah of the Claremont run and it was I guess Inferno and the adjacent area so a lot of the Outback X-Men and Mark Silvestri art which I just love and so that's who I associate with Mr. Sinister right who I see and that was a character that was like at that time I know plans changed or at least didn't get to
00:43:08
Speaker
changed radically. Yeah. So he's a weird like, you know, it's it's one of these characters that for the longest time seemed like he may not even be a mutant. And so it's a weird thing that he's even involved here, you know, in this i that he's so important. ah And it's interesting, even i mean I know that Deadpool in the comics also is not a mutant. And so it's interesting that, you know, having not seen the first movie, how he's even involved with the X-Men this much in the movie. um And I think Another version that i um we saw a piece of in this was I like the idea of a comedy, a superhero comedy based around a team of people trying to just do a do good superhero business and then a fuck up like you know trickster type.
00:43:53
Speaker
like him. Maybe that's even trying really hard to do a good job, but he only knows how to do it his way. Because though the thing when they first encounter Rusty and Colossus and Negasonic Teenage Warhead and like the the little version of the team that they have are trying to do a superhero thing and he's just not getting it right. I'm like, I could have more of this. that Well, I think that's why I love the X4 sequence. It was so perfect because of that because he, you know, he goes all the trouble. He assembles this team and it's just clear that he's got no clue what he's doing because they all die five minutes in. And I appreciated how expedient it was too. Like you they just were like, oh, we're going to put together a team. Here are the guys. And then here's the thing. And we just get like the the speed with which we got through everything.
00:44:34
Speaker
really helped like I mean that's that's probably the the comedy of it is the timing but like I was very pleased with like oh I don't have to if I'm not digging something I can just probably wait yeah get to the next part but that was one of my favorite things was getting to see him up against people who Take it seriously um because and I think for me he worked best Or he works best as a character. I might limited experience against other people And that are like that in him not being the featured solo guy and obviously they've surrounded him with many characters in this ah So he's really just on his own. it Yeah, it really depends on
00:45:13
Speaker
it in the comics at least, it it's depended a lot on the writer because, yeah you know, the Joe Kelly stuff, it was mostly solo, like every now and then you'd have some characters, but you have Siren in there, you'd have a few other from time to time, but mostly it was, you know, Deadpool driving himself. And, you know, when Joe Kelly was writing it, it was great. When Gail Simone was writing it, it was great.
00:45:33
Speaker
when a lot of other people have written it, it's been not very good. And and but it's, but when Fabian Nicieza did it with cable and Deadpool, it was great because of that reason because he had had him playing off of of cable, which when I'd heard that title announcement, I thought that sounds like a stupid idea. And then you watch, you read it and it turns out to be really good idea. Well, because you have a straight man and and right the Joker, basically. right and in the comics I think at least you know I read the one issue of the Joe Kelly run but you know you have captions at your disposal which is still even though VO can cover that it's actually they're still very very different because you can be much more playful in a different way with captions and
00:46:13
Speaker
ah captions can be less annoying or less jarring than voiceover narration. And so even though there's some of that in the movie, you have entire like all the panels are being narrated and commented on internally with this this internal monologue that you can you don't have to have other people around because your character is interacting with you. You're the other person almost in that way as a reader. Versus in the movie, if you're reliant mostly on, I mean, there's some VO stuff and it doesn't really I think those are the moments that I work in sound and so I notice these types of things but times where I can and I could be wrong too times where I believe that they have gone back and replace dialogue or added narration perhaps to glue together things those are the places where they lose me the most honestly because it just feels
00:47:03
Speaker
disjointed from even person on screen.
PG-13 Adaptation Challenges
00:47:06
Speaker
I think there's also a lot of that in this movie too, just because to make up for the, to make it into a PG-13 rating. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that that's, that's been a lot of it. Cause I was, I'm watching it and I'm noticing in lines and I've seen the, you know, the extended cuts so many times that I've know a lot very well. So I'm watching and I'm like, okay, that is, that is definitely a new, a new line that has definitely been rerecorded because there was no way they could have edited that out with this shot and and everything like that. So yeah So yeah, if you've watched if you compare the two of them back to back, you can tell where stuff was rerecorded. And I think that's also one of the reasons why I find myself... That's why I asked you if you thought the the Fred Savage stuff was funnier than the Deadpools 2 stuff, because when I watch this, I just fast forward through the Deadpools 2 stuff, and I focus on the Fred Savage. So I'm wondering how much... I'd be really curious, like we've already talked about in the show, but just in general, I'd be really curious to see what you thought of it after watching like the the full uncut version of Deadpool. Yeah, yeah, I mean I would be interested to see it just even as an experiment because ah in ah Film editing because yeah of though all those things that go into it where it's like well Now that we had to cut this part out this thing later either doesn't make sense or the the timing feels wrong So now we have to change that too. It's like yeah
00:48:20
Speaker
you're trying to, it's it's like ah a weird quilt of things, or it's like a timeline, basically. It's like, if I change the past, I have to adjust something in the future right when you're dealing with that. um Yeah, I mean, I would be interested to see it for at least those reasons. Yeah, because a lot of the humor, and I'm not sure how much you you like this kind of humor too, that could also have an influence on it, but a lot of the humor that works really well in the in the R-rated movies, is it's very crass. It's very vulgar type humor. And and I think that's, you know,
00:48:50
Speaker
yeah and In a lot of ways, I'm still a 13 year old kid at heart. So I find a lot of that stuff funny. um So it depends on if you like that flavor of humor as well, I think would be a big part of it. so But when you take that kind of humor and you try to sanitize it, you know it it it's just like you know watching it on TBS or something. right for sure It doesn't land the same way. like when you If you watch American Pie on TBS, it's not going to be it's probably not gonna be funny at all, because most of the humor in that movie comes from how crass it is. and Yeah, there are certain movies that you're like, why did you even, don't don't do this. This is not even the same movie anymore. Well, yeah, and and i yeah, I'd be interested to see it, because I certainly have no issue with with crassness. I mean, that's the thing, it's like at the end of the day, some of the things that I will i would complain about in ah in a comedy, let's say ah one like this or Deadpool 2, the actual one, ah it's like, oh no, I wanna hear the dick jokes. I wanna hear the fist up the ass joke. That's all fine. i don't Just that it exists and says those things is not funny for me. right there are other There's more to it than that for me. right right and there's i think I think a thing that was missing, from or I say missing, there's nothing wrong with what's there. I think things that I like, I like
00:50:00
Speaker
When I say character-based, I guess I mean interactions and seeing weird people interact with each other. ah that's one of my that That's where a lot of comedy comes out for me. And because not everybody in the movie, but a lot of people, let's say if you take TJ Miller's character, Weasel, and Deadpool, they have similar ways of delivering lines. Most of the stuff is like flat, and matter of fact,
00:50:21
Speaker
and a little sarcastic, but it is like, we're just delivering funny things to each other, and we're not gonna make a big deal out of it, but that also draws attention to it, because I'm gonna say something ridiculous in a normal way, and it gets really samey, and I don't feel like i and I have an idea of the person's character, and therefore it's two people throwing jokes at each other, versus, you know, you put, like, I mean, Deadpool and Colossus are a good, it's that's a funny, thrown-together thing.
00:50:48
Speaker
because you have a colossus that honestly in my mind could be even sweeter and warmer because that's how I think of Peter. ay Like that's a fun throw together because it's it is two very different mindsets in ways of Interacting with the world ah that Highlight the funny things about each other the goody two shoes and the and that won't give up on this other person That's a very funny thing. So I mean, that's just a personal preference thing But like and if dick jokes come out of that, that's great. I love yeah Yeah, take it to the take it to the limit but that's the thing that I felt like was limiting I'm like most
00:51:21
Speaker
the characters that aren't working for me or the moments that aren't working for me often aren't because they're not based in a, even a thin layer of in my mind, a thin layer of reality, of emotional reality between these people. And again, that that is difficult to do.
00:51:36
Speaker
in a movie where the layer between the audience and the character and the knowledge of it being a film is constantly ripping and being repaired all the time. yeah you know So that's difficult to do. And i the the emotional moments, not just with Rusty, but even with Vanessa ah in the kind of the afterlife thing that they keep doing Yeah, I like that effect where it's kind of like you go underwater and you you pierce this veil of looks like a Doctor Strange effect almost ummen and the moment that they share when he thinks he's died at the or he has died at the end and he sees her and he actually is it doesn't have his burns or anything anymore like I cared about these two characters so I don't even have ah
00:52:15
Speaker
you know, a horse in this race or dog in the race or whatever, like I've not seen the first movie, but I'm like, well, their their interaction, this is just good acting and they do have chemistry and I do care about this. So kudos to them for that, because I don't even have a history with these characters. Yeah. One of the things that's really interesting about Ryan Reynolds, and I made a comment about this when we talked about Deadpool 2, is when I think about him and I think about, you know, all the movies I've seen him in,
00:52:41
Speaker
I can't think of a time when he has not had good chemistry with his co-stars. Like he's just a guy who seems to get along and work well with everybody. Like you see him in this, like he the the chemistry between him and Marina Bakker and chemistry between him and and Josh Brolin or Zazie Beetz or TJ Miller ah to an extent, but even like in other stuff, like recently I'd seen um You know, my wife was watching The Proposal ah the other night with Sandra Bullock. That's another one. he's got They've got great chemistry together. um Definitely maybe this movie he did with
00:53:17
Speaker
ah Dakota Fanning I think it was back in the you know like almost 20 years ago now like another one where it's just like he's got great chemistry with just like this little girl and and he's just he works so well with all these different actors and and it really makes uh these relationships work so much better in these movies like even in like the him with uh Shioli Katsuna and this right Yukio right the cute little relationship and it always It never, it even though Ryan Reynolds is, and one of the criticisms of him is that he's always basically just playing himself in a lot of these movies. But I feel like, I think that's why the relationships that he has feels so real because it feels like a different relationship with each person. Like the way he interacts with Yukio is very different from the way he interacts with, yeah you know, NTW and even like, and with similar types of characters. Like you've also got,
00:54:09
Speaker
Colossus and Cable who are both the straight man type, but he interacts very differently with both of them. Well, yeah, when you're inhabiting a character that is, you're basically living in the world, but your character persona is very close to who you are, you don't have to put much thought into how you would react to a person. right I mean, and acting is not thinking, that's not really what you're supposed to do, but it it would be maybe more of a challenge or you would have to really get into the mindset and and the skin of a different person who's very different from you to get to those more natural reactions of different people, because that is,
00:54:43
Speaker
the facets of who we are when we are with who we're with. that That's what makes us people. It's like, hey, I'm different on on Mike than I am with my dog. you know Right. Right. Yeah. All these things are. um Yeah. And that's the thing is he he definitely and I again, I've seen him in waiting. I seem I guess I I've seen clips of him in Blade 3 or what. Yeah, that was probably the only one. And that wasn't even because of him. It was just because more. That was a shit situation for everybody.
00:55:08
Speaker
And then in this now um and then interviews and stuff like he has a lot of charisma and he has at least on on screen confidence I know that he I was reading that he deals with anxiety and stuff and that's part of why he likes the Deadpool persona because he's behind a mask and he can kind be himself but be projected onto something else but the I mean he's a movie star and there are movie stars that are also great actors like that can portray all kinds of different right characters and you believe them but they're also just people who we want to see on screen
00:55:41
Speaker
and they just hold our attention and our focus and and we emote and we follow them across the screen, even in some cases where they're not particularly great
Comparing MCU Film Tones
00:55:49
Speaker
actors. I mean, Arnold Schwarzenegger is not a known good actor. That's not how we portray him. But I've found him per you like compelling in movies just as a person to watch on screen. And that's an old example. I mean, Tom Cruise is an easy one not to put down his acting, but he's usually Well, you know, I think it's it's Tom Cruise and also George Clooney, I put in this category too, where they're good actors, they can act when they want to, but a lot of times, they just ah they just want to do, they they just, they're put into these roles where we just want to see, we just like Tom Cruise, we just like George Clooney, so that's just what we want to see. But like, you see him like Tom Cruise in, you you know, Collateral, like he was amazing in that. a Or even in, um
00:56:31
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Tropic Thunder, right? I mean, he's right. Right. um Or George Clooney in in Siriana. Right. So they've they've got the acting chops, but it's just everybody wants to see them do like Maverick or or Danny Ocean. Right. And when they are, let's say this heightened version of themselves or their movie star self, there's something about them innately that we don't need them to even put on a show. We don't need them to turn into someone else to hold our attention. Whereas a character actor, let's say, I mean, I'm drawing distinctions where these are not technical things, but you know we tend we have actors out there that are often very close to themselves on screen, but we just like that. That's all we want from them. that's That's the meat and potatoes that we want from them versus a character actor who plays like a thousand different characters the whole life, and we're impressed by that. they're Like someone like Gary Oldman, who you don't even realize it's Gary Oldman in half the movies. Yeah, and maybe, you know, maybe he maybe never went for it, but maybe his aversion of him on screen, we also would have fallen for in that way and followed through, but that's not where his skills or his interests lay, I guess. right But that's, I think, what you have with Ryan Reynolds and, you know, and and mileage varies. Like, I'm not as
00:57:42
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drawn to him just doing normal stuff, I guess, ah as maybe some are, but there's no denying that like he has something going on there. right That is like, I'm watching him do things that I'm not even as so interested in or making jokes that I'm not digging as much, but I'm like, well, I want to see what happens. And I consistently, I said it before, it kind of in some ways impressed that his take on the character doesn't involve a bunch of mugging or,
00:58:10
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And ah at times, maybe I wanted more out of him. Maybe I wanted him to be a little more dynamic, but you could make this character... a different kind of annoying, a very in-your-face kind of annoying right that would not work as a the protagonist of multiple movies over four hours or whatever. And he didn't go for that. it's it's real And in the moments when he modulates to a more real emotional state, like with Vanessa, it that means that going there doesn't feel like such a knee-jerk pull to the left of the road sort of thing. um So yeah, i not it's it's funny how
00:58:47
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aware of him I am and then realizing, oh, I've never i've barely ever seen this guy do his job on screen. I've seen him interviewed more than anything else. It'll be interesting to see what happens when Marvel ends up making Deadpool 3 because, you know,
00:59:02
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that they own it now they it's going to be in the marvel universe they say and that's a much bigger going back to what you said about you know you wanted to be like more colorful like it'll be interesting to see what they do with it because you know i mean honestly as as great as david um lyche did with this one i kind of want to see like taiko ytt to direct the next one yeah i mean especially after seeing the two of them i don't sure do you see free guy ah No, I didn't. Okay, so he, the two of them and Free Guy, they were great in that movie, just because like both of them were allowed to just like really kind of push things. And yeah, and that's like this big colorful world they created in that movie. And so yeah, I mean, like seeing Taika YTT direct a Deadpool movie and maybe even star in it and
00:59:43
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because people forget they they were in Green Lantern together, too. They had pretty good chemistry in that. That's right. oh yeah i mean it's someone something Yes, I think visually, well um a lot of things, like when I read that that was what was going to happen, I was like, okay, I am interested in seeing that because regardless of how much the the humor stays the same or what the little things that I'm not digging, the things that he would they would get to Lampoon and the ways that they would get to interact,
01:00:07
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I'm I've been invested in the MCU. I've seen a lot of this stuff. So now I if there's so much there to play with and joke joke about and so many big ideas at this point. I mean, we've got celestials now and all these things that they can and things that haven't worked as well and that we've got I'm sure the inhumans would be on the chopping block is right things that we get to make fun of.
01:00:28
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So there's a lot that you could really like throwing him into a four color world because it does seem like Marvel is Slowly pushing into that. Oh, yeah away from the Fox Fox ish I mean Iron Man if you watch Iron Man, it is still more cartoony than a 2008 Iron Man, right? It's more cartoony than the X-Men, but it is more grounded. It's much more ra yeah Yeah, like and then if you look at Kirby You look at something like, you know, the previews for Love and Thunder, which were about, you know, yeah two weeks away from like that's it's night and day differences between the type of stylized. And some of that's a change in in just what the ah in tastes of the public as well. Right. How um films are being made. And then, of course, Marvel, you know, just moving into concepts that require that kind of thing. I mean,
01:01:16
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you know i Not to re-litigate Eternals because you've already covered that on the podcast, but that is a concept that I think would be maybe better served having seen the dramatic take it seriously version. Maybe a wilder, more fun version that's closer to Kirby on screen. Maybe that would be more fun if this concept even works for the Marvel universe. Right. And when you get into things that big and that, you know, like space magic, basically, this stuff, I think the the light approach, the half half-serious, half-not approach, and the stylized thing works. So I would love to see. Well, I mean, I think that's that's why that's like why why Ragnarok worked so well and why Eternals did it, I think, yeah because, it you know,
01:02:01
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Ragnarok basically just kind of embraced the fact that, hey, this is a lot of crazy bullshit and we're just gonna lean into that. And whereas Eternals kept trying to, it kept trying to do the, it reminded me a lot of a Zack Snyder movie in that way and the DC movies. Cause it's like, they're trying to, we're going to take all this like space magic stuff and we're trying to ground it in the real world. I'm like, those two things don't really work. You're talking about space magic. It literally should not be grounded. yeah what And also in ah in set setting it explicitly in a world where we've already got all these other things going on. I mean, not to say that you can't mix them up, but if it had been a one-off project that was set in its own world, I might approach it differently with a different mindset than thinking, oh, but you're also in the world of Captain America and this thing and this thing and this thing. um Yeah, i i I'm looking for... Also, I think there's a ah feeling, and I don't mean to apply ah
01:02:53
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Intent to the director of eternals because I don't think this was her intent, but the feeling versus let's say Ragnarok Ragnarok basically feels like This is how it's always been comics are crazy There's no apology here. We're having fun at its expense sometimes, but it's almost like oh, yeah This party has been going on in the background the whole time That's how they treat a lot of the space stuff. Eternals felt like, guys, we promise this is serious adult stuff. Don't run away. It's going to be complicated, but you're going to like it. And that it felt apologetic almost in a way for its crazy ideas and its tone and everything. Like, please take this seriously. This is serious stuff. So I think that, you know, I'm enjoying the I mean, and certainly the the trailer for
01:03:36
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love and thunder, I'm like, yeah, give me Russell Crowe as a big fat Zeus and blowing by. I mean, it's all the more fun for it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. um One of the things I like about what ah Once Upon a Deadpool did, too, is just like how willing they were to just kind of make fun of themselves with this. like Oh, yeah. I mean, Fred Savage is merciless in his criticism.
01:03:59
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Yeah, yeah, it's and it's the meta that meta stuff worked for me and especially more I guess in the Fred Savage scene That stuff was good. it It worked for me and it felt like I mean some of it's inside baseball But I don't know what it was that worked for I mean, maybe it's cuz I'm coming from a background of knowing about that I think I think it's thing like it's so inside baseball, right? These jokes. These are these jokes are so insular, which is why i I keep saying like I don't think Fox really knew what they had here because I think they're just like we want to do a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2 and Ryan Reynolds said to him, OK, we'll do a PG-13 version of Deadpool 2, but you have to give us some money, do some extra scenes. Yeah. And I think they kind of just did this Fred Savage stuff without anyone at Fox really knowing about it. And then they got it and they're like, OK, well, we're like two weeks away from deadline. I guess we got to put this out there now. right right that's funny well yeah and it's so the i mean there's a number of jokes like that even outside of the fred savage stuff like the x-men being behind the closed door or closing the door slowly so that deadpool doesn't see them that was very unexpected and very funny uh i i think it's that they were shooting were they shooting dark phoenix they were shooting dark phoenix at the same time yes they'd filmed that yeah the two different separately and they just kind of like green screened it in
01:05:10
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yeah but that was i mean that was awesome because you actually are using the toys the actual not just talking about it but you actually get to you right and you're giving a little joke like they're they're there they just don't want to see dead they don't want to interact with this shit yeah colossus is the only one willing nice enough to interact with you on this level like he's and and you know i I didn't look I don't know I guess given his role in the movie it was just right but like I love Colossus so much he just in my in my heart is such a lovable character that I was like oh I just want I just want him to be even sweeter even even warmer and I want to see him featured more so hopefully in the future someday we'll just get you should also check out ah the first Deadpool movie because there's some more stuff with him in there when he looked really it's funny i'm of two minds of how he looks on one hand he does look really great uh like he looks like a statue come to life right but there's and maybe that's what it would look like who knows it what if that's what it would look like if a person turned into organic metal but also it made
01:06:10
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It made him less human. in And I guess because we did we ever see him as a human? No, no, he doesn't. Yeah. Yeah. I think part of the reasons, too, is because they had two different actors playing him. You had the guy who was doing the the CGI motion capture. yeah And then you had Stefan Capisic, who was doing the voice acting.
01:06:27
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that's right oh and that's you know that's pretty common for these right for these things so that that would make sense but ah yeah i just i i really love that character in the comics so and i have my own you know in my head how he should be and he's very close to that but i i wanted more of him but like some of the other i'm trying to think of what some of the like I liked them in the jail. I was hoping for, in the prison I guess, I was hoping for like something where all, a lot of the the callers came off and we got like even a moment of just like free for all mutant prison break where everybody's throwing powers around. Like I really thought we were going for that. And I know that's a big budget thing probably. It was still a great sequence. right It was still really good. um But I'm trying to think of the stuff that I was particular, oh,
01:07:12
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There was a joke early on. It was so dumb, but it it reminds me of old Simpson's stuff where it's like something in the background that like I did pause and go back where Deadpool goes to. Is it Blind Al? Is that her name? Yeah. OK, he goes to her house or her apartment and is trying to like quietly get guns and cocaine out of something in her floor. Oh, that was that was. it Yeah, that was a joke from the the first movie because yeah he makes this comment when he's leaving. He's about to go, you know, it's the final battle, which he's likely in the die in. He tells and he tells Al, he's like,
01:07:40
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he's like you know there's a whole lot of cocaine buried in the house right next to the cure for blindness and you think he's just making a joke and they have it in this movie. There you go. Well so the the thing not seeing that it felt like just a funny not not a non sequitur but like a blink and you'll miss it type of background joke where he's feeling around in the floor looking for that and you just see the cure for blindness written on s something and that was so just blunt and basic, i I really thought it was fun. um But the the stuff at the end with the time travel stuff, that was really funny, all the post, and the thing I had already known, because I remember reading at the time, like, oh, the incredible, you know, post credit sequence, so funny, and I'd read about it, so it wasn't a surprise, but
01:08:19
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I did laugh out loud at the Green Lantern script but just because he goes like, you made it, buddy. was reading And then and then he just gets shot from behind. And there's an extended the uncut version has an extended version of it. it is Like Ryan Reynolds has like a hole in his head and everything. Yeah. and Yeah. He even has this kind of conversation with Hugh Jackman when he goes back to kill himself in X-Men Origins.
01:08:42
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I haven't seen that. I knew that he was in it and that it was not what anyone wanted at the time. But I was like, oh shit, who's this guy without a mouth? It was terrible. There was a lot of that going around between Black Bolt and then thinking of The Matrix and everything. We really loved that effect. But yeah, I liked that too because I'm like, yeah, we're just going to make fun of everything ourselves and everybody like that. That attitude I'm on board for and I thought those were all very funny.
01:09:07
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Very many things. You should definitely check out the extended version, if only else for the the time travel sequence at the end, because, well, also they've got a few other sequences that they cut out of here. One is um the opening sequence. They had this huge ah like globe trotting sequence where he's traveling around the world as ah as a mercenary, as an assassin, set to um nine to five by Dolly Parton.
01:09:33
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Yeah, that's funny. That was ah and also like they've got this whole like James Bond style opening credit sequence in the original one with Celine Dion doing this doing the song for it. Oh, wow. So yeah, it's and the opening credits in the original one like they they play around with how they how they credit people in the opening credits in both the the original Deadpool two and in the first Deadpool as well, like they don't put down the characters actors or the the director's names or anything but they find like you know funny little titles for it it's worth it's worth watching for for just like those little things it's worth watching it so um i think if you like the Deadpool 2 stuff in this then i think you'd you'd enjoy it a lot more if you watch the original the original two movies yeah um i can see that but yeah i think this one it's
01:10:22
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You know, it's, I love the, and a lot of people, I, I, first, I got to say like, I love the fact that this is a blatant cash scrap. Everybody knows it, but they still managed to give us something that's like, okay, yeah, I get what you're doing. I know you're just, you're just trying to get my money, but you know what? I love seeing Fred Savage and Deadpool interact together. So I'm going to go along with it. Well, that, that is maybe the best way to do, I mean, to reference the Simpsons again, for a long time, they were required by contract.
01:10:49
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to do however many episodes a year. Well, I guess they still are. But they would, I think it was maybe by contractor to meet a budgetary restraint, they would have to have one clips episode every year. That could only have minimal, like, you know, framing, recording of new lines, and new animation. And whenever they did that, they managed to make fun of how they were doing. I mean, there was also that that Clerks episode. if Did you watch the Clerks? Oh, yeah. Yeah.
Clerks Animated Series Legacy
01:11:11
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Yeah. where And that's made it a flashback episode in the second episode. Yeah. and that and making you fun of that, but that whole thing where it's like, ah like you know, you're making fun of the the conceit of how you get to having these flashbacks. And so if you if it's like, hey, we have to make a cheap-ass episode that uses old stuff, and we're going to, with any new property any new material that we can make for it, point out the fact that this is ridiculous, or we're gonna make fun of it a little bit, that is probably the best way to get me to accept that sort of thing.
01:11:40
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Yeah, yeah they did that they did that really well here too. Man, that Clerks, you just reminded me, that Clerks animated series was so good and so short lived. There was some, foot I mean, I think it there was some stuff in it that was really great. And the one thing that I think it seems like that has lived on from it is probably the one thing I think that deserves to live on, which is the whole extended anime sequence at the end of the one episode. Because like me and my friends used to say, oh my God, who's driving? Oh my God, Bear is driving to each other all the time based on that. Because it's such a,
01:12:08
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They didn't know how to write themselves out of the episode. but They didn't know how to resolve it. and They just said, big American dance party. And then did this whole thing. But like the animation was just such, it was such a spot on parody at the time of that stuff that we, yeah I found it. And there's a transformer that transforms with a man inside of them. And there's a blood spurt that comes. So that's like, that's that's funny stuff. But yeah, what what a weird, like, who knows what it would have been if they had gotten to put it on an HBO, which is where I think they wanted to.
01:12:33
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put it in the first place. Yeah it was funny because Kevin Smith talks about that because they said like UPN was giving them offers like we'll let you do like as much as you want we'll let you do like 10 seasons or whatever yeah and it's like yeah but ABC is offering us six episodes and and it's ABC so I think we'll go with ABC and that he he says he's like yeah that was a mistake.
01:12:50
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What a bad pairing. I mean like even NBC would have been a better choice. I mean as far as just like brand pairing Yeah, like ABC is a Disney affiliate. They are not known for pushing the envelope Yeah, and at the time that is what he was known for so yeah, that's funny man. What what a weird product but yeah, ah the Fred Savage like if you're gonna watch this movie and You had trouble tracking it down actually, so it's- Yeah, a real hard time. Seems like no one, it's been, CIA's been knocking it out of existence that's online. I wonder how much of it now that it it's owned by Disney and maybe they're just haven't re-released it or or something like that. Yeah, that could be it. So, but yeah, I mean, it's, or it might also have to do something with the the recent Fred Savage stuff too.
01:13:32
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Could be, I mean, yeah, that would be surprising to me just because, sadly, it's just that there's so many, there would be so many things that are just taken out of existence. Right, but I think, not so much that they took it out of existence because of that, but I think that it might have caused them to have cold feet about re-releasing it so soon. Yeah, letting it, if there's a lapse in there, just letting that lapse happen for a while. Right, right, because they did have,
01:13:56
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Because the Deadpool movies, they were still on like Hulu until recently, I think. And then now that the Hulu deal has expired, now it's completely Disney's now. And I think yeah so i think and i know like Amazon Prime had them as well. So I think Amazon Prime, it's just kind of like, we're going to let that lapse for once upon a Deadpool at least. yeah Well, I mean, and there's also the T.J. Miller of it all as well. Right. That too. That's another. and Yeah, there's that aspect. And then there's I understand that there was a ah not that this is and the same thing, but there was some tragedy on the set of this movie because they had a stunt woman who died while pulling off one of the stunts. Oh, really? I didn't know Domino. Yeah. Oh, yeah and just ah I feel like, you know, Domino Zazie Beats, I I enjoyed her as
Character Portrayals in Deadpool 2
01:14:39
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Domino. She's just easy to watch on screen regardless. But I really did enjoy the
01:14:44
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just digging into how her luck power works and how things are going so bad for everybody else. Like how she can just have this relaxed ah nature about the world and walking through the world. Cause she's like falling into a giant panda because she was blown off of a thing. Like I wanted to see even more of those old bird style things because they were just, it was just so almost mean spirited how well it was going for her. And cause I mean, I felt like Meant to or not, you know a lot of the time when we have these luck characters in the Marvel universe like her long shot Scarlet Witch to an extent Mm-hmm. Like actually there's there's a story later. Yes. Yes There's a story where either that also creates bad luck for someone else or for them somewhere in the world that it's like you're you're upsetting the balance and I almost wonder if Domino's presence doing these things is what got every member of x-force killed I don't think they were thinking of that but it felt like ah one of those no prize things. That's a good point Yeah that
01:15:39
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Yeah, so like blatantly bad, but it's also that kind of movie. um But yeah, I know that was always the thing. And I mentioned this when we talked about Deadpool, too. But the whole luck is a superpower thing. Always seem like such bullshit to me yeah when you're reading comic books, yeah because very few comics have ever actually played with that idea. It's like mostly they forget about it until they need it. And yeah, they're.
01:16:03
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the The one before Deadpool to the one time I think that they really showed that being used well was Grant Morrison wrote a new X-Men annual where he had Domino guest star.
01:16:14
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Yeah. And Zorn first appeared. Yeah. And yeah they had he did a really good job of using luck as a superpower. Like they jump out the window. There's a pool underneath or there's a or she's like, she's like, yeah, the combination of the safe just happened to be my ex boyfriend's phone number. Yeah, I know. That's it's the that's the thing is like it's it's in the presentation as much as what the actual ideas are for like are because I mean if you read early Scarlet Witch appearances where it's like my hex powers just make things happen that shouldn't happen, you're literally a deus ex machina. Like that is you're just the writer needing it out here and that, you know, I've always enjoyed Longshot. He was in stuff when I was a kid and I like Howard Adams art. So even though he's a weird, you know, kind of also ran character, I liked that when you pair it with
01:16:58
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either ah a personality like his where it's like ah I'm just kind of a himbo that's having a good like I'm just a nice innocent guy or with Domino well and she she wasn't a a bimbo in this but like her the ease with which a person would live in the world if they have those powers I like seeing that happen it just it feels like a fun thing and it's also i like it that in her case it felt like it in the movie at least it's just something that's happening it's not even something that she is forcing into existence right it just use my power now it's ah right exactly it's just it like she says you know things just work out for me and that they did a really good job of showing that like that that that uh convoy sequence is just amazing like every time like you know like i said i fast forward through most of the movie i did not fast forward through that scene no that's that's all because it's it is just good action and it's funny and it's very it's well choreographed like
01:17:50
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the way that it comes together at the end, it it reminds me of a almost like a Seinfeld or an improv, like a Herald, which is where the things that have been set up at the top all come together right in some way. and and And probably a lot of scenes can fit that role. But this felt like that, that whole scene where she ends up on the pandemic, these other bad things are happening. Yeah, it is kind of an operatic moment in its way. Yeah, I really dug that. And also speaking of taking things from the,
01:18:17
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or like fixing things the X-Men movies did like they did with Colossus. They also did that with Juggernaut here too. Yeah, yeah. um yeah He was, it's funny how like I forgot that he was in the movie and then when Rusty went and like knocked on the, you know, like was in the prison and was starting to interact with them, but you don't see him. I'm like, oh, that's gotta to be Juggernaut. Like that's... who we're dealing with and it's certainly not bad it's cool to see him throw down with Colossus um like I guess I don't the juggernaut often if you're not giving him a good character you know deep dive then all you can really do is just he's just a ah force of nature that you rely on the thing so it's cool to see him doing
01:18:52
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Juggernaut stuff. I guess I do like it when he's an asshole and I don't I don't mean the way that he was in days of or whatever Last stand. Yeah. Yeah, I that was not I mean, I'm i'm fine with him being a jerk I think that's part of he's a bully. I mean the perfect bully but i Like him just kind of getting to do this thing. It was like, okay cool. It's cool that he's here Yeah, you know and they throws down with classes and that there's there's a lot more um he's because Ryan Reynolds did the voice for yeah i'd seen and they he He's got some extra jokes in the in the extended version, like even one where they go to a store to get some new clothes and they had nothing for Juggernaut. Yeah, that's good. It's funny how Juggernaut, like in the in other media, certainly like in the movies, we all just accept that it makes a lot more sense for him to not be mystic and just be a mutant.
01:19:42
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Although it also sets up the issue of so Charles x Xavier's stepbrother is also happens to be a mutant like It's not his biological unless they change that in something but it's like if you change it to be more Realistic quote-unquote to be make him a mutant. It's simpler and cleaner But you're also creating the so wait these two people who aren't related and then their parents just got together They both happen to be mutants. it It takes that away again. Yeah in a weird way Which is why yeah, so if you're doing it, I think they When they bring it into the MCU, you could actually do the mystic thing because now they've got that background for it. you could But in these movies, yeah, it makes more sense for him to just be a mutant. And I would argue just make him his brother. I know. I mean, that's yeah litigating something that doesn't have to be. But I'm like, let's just simplify a little bit here. Like because Stan Lee or whoever threw this out at that moment in 1969 or something like maybe we can clean it up a little bit. Yeah. 50, 60 years. Right. Right. Right. Simplify. OK.
01:20:35
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Um but I think that's really uh only one to really say about Once Upon a Deadpool. I think the the main draw for me is still the Fred Savage stuff and like i yeah I just love the the scene the scenes especially at the beginning when they have got like these extended sequences of the two of them or really what my favorite parts about it um and then when we see things like the um like the I want to fight Matt Damon thing. Yeah, that was fun. And yeah. Yeah. And also Deadpool's line about how, you know, Matt Damon, he's like, how'd you get these guys in this movie? He's like, same way I got you in. He's like, he's like Matt Damon, Brad Pitt, Celine Dion are locked up in my basement still. Right. well it's And it's funny because now I get why I know that Brad Pitt makes that.
01:21:15
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you know, ah very, very brief appearance as was it Vanisher or was it? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. ah So but like so that ultimately paid off in a way. I'm like, oh, that's what he was talking about. But the Celine Dion, I guess, because she's not in this version. I'm like, oh, that's just a funny reference to write. There is. um Yeah, she did the I think the song plays over the credits, but the end credits. But ah but it's it's the main credits in the in the in the original version. And there's also she even shot a music video for it with that one. Yeah, it's yeah it's worth watching that too.
01:21:45
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There's totally last thing. It's so small, but I always like it when this is always funny to me You know when you have the semi-operatic scoring that goes with like a dramatic like ah a big fight and it's like And they have the moment with the juggernaut where I don't know what they're saying, but they're like Like so it's it's great things on screen. Yeah. They say like, he you can't stop him. He's the juggernaut. That was fun. And yeah the operatic ones by here, so they're like, say, oh, holy shitballs. There you go. See, I couldn't hear every aspect of it, but I was like, OK, I like I like it when you can play with that stuff. That's good.
01:22:18
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Yeah, I'm glad they kept that in too, because I was worried that they would edit that down, but I guess you're okay with saying shit now in PG-13 as much as you want. Yeah, you get so many of them, I guess. I mean, it's so funny and stupid how that whole thing gets figured. There was a documentary a while ago that I watched that was really interesting, and I don't even remember the name, but- Are you talking about this film is not yet rated?
01:22:38
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that's the one yeah that was a great it goes into all that stuff where it's like yeah this is like a lot of these institutions big and small a lot of horse shit and a lot of people who shouldn't be in charge of these things making decisions for lots of other people yeah yeah yeah well i think they mentioned um I'm not sure if they said it in this, in this movie or, but they said like, you know, it's still like in in the UK, it's the same rating as Deadpool two. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. of course It also makes sense on one hand. Why? Because it's like, well, what's, I mean, I don't know everything that was cut out, but it's like, what, what is maybe more naive and damaging, but like, what might you want to limit your children's exposure to jokes about sexual abuse or.
01:23:19
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a fist up the ass joke or something like, I don't know, maybe both, yeah maybe no whatever, but it's like why certain things being, or or ah or or a naked breast or or or or people punching through each other, you know, I'm getting shot.
01:23:31
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It's really down to the individual. Well, to show you one of them, um like, you know, the scene at the end where Colossus grabs the wire and he shoves it into juggernaut. Yeah. And in the original one, he pulls down his pants and shoves up his ass. But I guess like a CGI ass is taking things too far. There are things that you just can't do. I there's a guy talking about there's a show called Love on Netflix. And, you know, we we for a while We're having more movies. We're like, you know dicks are on screen. We're just that's part of the humor now We're kind of pushing it's like let's show less women and just push those out there and he said well Well, we need to have a scene where we have an erect penis sunscreen That's gonna push him further Netflix was like that just makes it porn you can't do that if that happens It's like the same body part in a different state of yeah. Yeah. Yeah blood letting or whatever It's like that turns it into x-rated and you just can't do that. No, I'm not gonna happen. It's also
01:24:21
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in this film was not yet rated. I think Maria Bello she was talking about her scene in um one of these movies she did where she has a she does a sex scene she has an orgasm and the the they objected to it because the sensors objected to it because she has an orgasm.
01:24:42
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but Yeah, it's so I mean, it's I guess because it's like, no, a love scene of just two pretty people just rubbing against each other in a general sense and hugging and kissing. We can deal with that. But if you bring the orgasm into it, but it's specifically the female orgasm. well It's the specifically the female one. Yeah. Yeah. There's the misogynist thing. But it's like if people are coming, then it's like we got a whole different ballpark here. even If you just see faces. Yeah. And, you know, there's also a Kevin Bacon did a video on YouTube where he's like he's like challenging people to have yeah show more dicks on screen.
01:25:14
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Go for it.
Media Norms and Superhero Cinephiles
01:25:15
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yeahy' He had this one. He's like, hey, Marvel, I got a villain for you. He's like, he's like I've got an Infinity Stone on my cock.
01:25:24
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Well, there's a show I would suggest on HBO Max called Minx. That's a lot of fun. um It's mostly comedy, but there's like they they if there's a ah dick budget for them, they spent it in the first episode. Like they they there was like 12 or 15 or whatever. But it's aside from all that. Also, it's cool. They did that. It's just a fun show. But they are pushing for more dicks on screens. You all should be. Yeah, that's a good note to end it on. Yeah, I was going to say that's the end. OK, well, you want to tell people where they can find you?
01:25:54
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Yeah, um I am at Will Short Haha. Is that right? Yes, I think that's right. anything okay At Will Short Haha on Twitter. ah But the main thing you should check out is Days Past Tooncast. That is a podcast that I co-host. We have adult conversations about yesterday's animations, meaning old cartoons, usually Saturday morning types, we have adult conversations about them.
01:26:18
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That means cussing the kind of things you might see in a Deadpool movie um And you can find us just about anywhere you would find podcasts if you want to find us online You can go to dptooncast.com and dptooncast is also our social media handle OK, great. And if you're a Patreon subscriber, you can also listen to ah the companion podcast for this and where Will has been our first guest on on that. And he came out to talk about Avengers under siege, although by the time you listen to this episode, that's been like months ago. So. yeah
01:26:51
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I'm so I'm so far ahead of the schedule with the regular show and like I've got like nothing scheduled for the Patreon show. yeah So I got to get on that. All right. But yeah, Superherocinephiles.com is our website, SuperCinemapod on Twitter and Instagram. And again, you sign up for the Patreon show, you get the companion book club podcast and you also get these episodes a week in advance. Thanks so much for listening and we'll talk to you next time.
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01:28:20
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