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Episode 146
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This week we talk TV with new episodes of Only Murders in the Building (Hulu), Agatha All Along (Disney+), The Penguin (HBO/Max), a new season of Shrinking (AppleTV+), we review the films Saturday Night, Brothers (Amazon Prime), Alien: Romulus, we finish our Crow watch with this years The Crow remake, we continue our October Halloween watch with Saw 1 (2004), Saw 2 (2005), Saw 3 (2006), The Witch (2016), we continue our journey into the Conjuring universe with Annabelle (2014) and The Conjuring 2 (2016) and finally this week we do a deep dive into one of Spider-Man’s most dangerous advisories as we revisit Venom (2018) and Venom: Let There Be Carnage (2021)
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Winter Plans and Halloween Movies
00:01:25
Speaker
hey but um Hey, what's going on buddy? How are we doing? Doing good doing good but ah You are on your last weekend of work. So what are the plans for this winter Kevin? What are we doing?
00:01:37
Speaker
nothing i got nothing yeah Watching watching shit come to Florida watching shit. I got a lot of stuff to put up on I I've been trying to do that myself. That's why this this week alone, week and a half, I've watched more horror movies than I have in the last 15, 20 years. I've watched this four last Saw movies today. I watched three yesterday or the day before. So we're going to talk all about Saw. We're going to talk about a few other ones that I watched on top of that to get into the Halloween spirit, not the store.
00:02:11
Speaker
And we are going to talk about a few shows. Let's get right into it. First question
Dream Collectibles Discussion
00:02:16
Speaker
I have for you. Do you have a Holy Grail item? A something that you want that you know is going to cost money, something that's shelf worthy, maybe that you want that you're like, yeah, I need to get that once I really have a shitload of money. You can be just like a millionaire question. Like if I'm a millionaire, is this something that obviously was that obviously?
00:02:37
Speaker
Now, um no that would be nice though. My millionaire one would be a DeLorean, for sure. Like a restored DeLorean. so Would you have it tricked out like the one that's in Back to the Future? Yeah, it would definitely. Of course. okay It has to be. It wouldn't be modernized at all, yeah. I'm on the same path,
00:02:55
Speaker
um by the Batmobile. Oh, yeah, Batmobile. Ghostbusters, like a Ghostbusters car, too. like If I had all three of those cars next to each other, in a Garage of the awesome. Oh yeah There's a company that will make the Ben Affleck Batmobile and its road safe To drive so that would be my preferred one because it looks fucking sick. I think it's Mercedes That does it. um I just saw a video on Twitter about two weeks ago for it but if not that the classic Adam West one will also be worthy of having
00:03:31
Speaker
Because that one's just a road safe car anyways. Just an old ass car. would he rocke The rocket booster that comes flying out the back. that The 89 Batmobile would be the best for that.
Video Game Collecting Insights
00:03:41
Speaker
All right, now we're talking about millionaire. What is a realistic, like what's a realistic Holy Grail item that you say, okay, this could happen maybe if I save some money and actually can do this. What is something you can think of like shelf worthy? You have any idea?
00:03:58
Speaker
Probably. a bunch of hot toys. Hot toys is a good one. Yeah. Yeah. There's a lot of great ones. there's a couple They've been around for a while. There were great ones for about, um, probably a hot toy of the Batman. Um, those terminator, those terminators i like the terminator ones we've been talking about lately. Yeah. yeah I would love to know those. There's a great, uh, Chadwick black Panther one also that's incredible. Um, so that'd be cool.
00:04:26
Speaker
I already have a really cool Joker one. I think for me, like, I'm into video game collecting. I have all the systems. I built the cabinet for it. I think the Holy Grail item in my system that I don't have only had 14 games, but it's something I never played on. I didn't know anybody who had one. But the Virtual Boy got canceled pretty quickly. ah Very expensive. They're on eBay now. They're like a thousand bucks. You can get the whole entire thing.
00:04:51
Speaker
with all the games, like, for 2000. There's only 14 games that were made. One Mario game. Did you ever play one? I never played it. I never played it. It's fucking awful. It's fucking awful. I know it is, because we're so easy to have good stuff for now. It is so bad. I played one when they came out when we were, like, eight or nine or whatever we were, and they were fucking not... Like, you can't even be comfortable playing them the way they're set up.
00:05:18
Speaker
um We had to have it on like a stack of books on like a fucking tray table. like yes Yeah. It was it wasn't handheld. It wasn't like you could wrap it to your head like a VR now. um like As far as video game systems, real like I wasn't into Atari. That was way before our time, like a few years before we were born. But yeah, it's the only system I really don't have, I think, out of everything that I that i at least have playable games for. Do you have an Atari?
00:05:44
Speaker
I So I'll let you know. I'll go up there for Christmas, not in about a month. So my sisters had one.
TV Show Reviews: Only Murders and Agatha
00:06:05
Speaker
Right. They're that age. I played that shit out of the Atari. don't Yeah. Yeah. I played a lot. It was the first system I remember. It was the first system I remember playing have for sure. Like I remember going to somebody's house and actually playing it when I was I'd been five, four or five, six. I don't remember. But and then the first system I ever owned was the NES. And I was just history after that.
00:06:28
Speaker
um yeah I mean, I had that quick question. I was kind of thinking that this week. What is a holy grail collectible item? I mean, there's a ton of hot, like you mentioned, hot toy figures are are big. The Terminator, the new Terminator ones look outstanding. Yeah, way those those look great. The way those figurines look lifelike now and and what they do for the 3D imaging for the facial facial features is just incredible. and That's why I got the Joker figure a while ago, because it looked lifelike like Heath Ledger.
00:06:52
Speaker
um only ten years ago but um Let's get into what we watched this week. First off, only murderers in the building. um We are on Next week's going to be the Pet Ultimate episodes. We've got a couple more episodes left. This is episode eight. This week was really good. Murder mystery. When this season is over, I suggest anybody has not watched this. It's on Hulu. Very good show. They're on their fourth season, picked up for a fifth season. So it's going to continue. Written by and created by Steve Martin, if you like Steve Martin. um Even if you don't, just the humor, that the guest stars that they have this season have been great. The show has been fantastic. It's on Hulu.
00:07:28
Speaker
um Agatha All Along, episode 6. Best episode of this season so far. um Finally got the backstory of who Teen is. We already knew it was Billy. um Billy's origin right straight out of the comic book. um Billy Kaplan, who is a Jewish American teenager, ends up being killed in a car crash. And when one in WandaVision, when Wanda's hex gets broken and Billy's soul is lost, Billy's soul gets into Billy Kaplan's body as he's, William Kaplan's body as he's dying.
00:08:05
Speaker
um It's right straight out of the comic books, a little bit differently because that's in the comic books it involved Mephisto a little bit. No Mephisto yet in the series, however, um definitely on the same path. um I probably should put that picture up here. I did have it in there. But yeah, this is right straight out of the comic books. This is them talking about um being the twins of the Scarlet Witch, even though they're in different bodies, re reincarnated kind of.
00:08:29
Speaker
ah In this episode, we also see the return of Ralph Boner played by, what's his name, Evan Peters. Susan, of course, we we speculated when WandaVision came out that um is he Quicksilver in another universe? Is he just Ralph Boner? The one thing that this show has not talked about, especially in WandaVision 2, Ralph Boner is just a member of this community. Just lives in this house, Agatha took it over, and started living in his home. That's all we knew about it, really.
00:08:59
Speaker
But he had Quicksilver's powers at one point in Wandavision. And of course, two and two together, is he another incarnation of Quicksilver from another universe brought over by Agatha or maybe just in this universe? Who knows? We don't know. Hasn't been talked about on the show yet. um I'm hoping maybe that'll be opened up in answer, but Evan Peters is a busy actor. I'm not sure if this is just a one and done cameo or not, but he did show up in this episode.
Penguin Episode Deep Dive
00:09:26
Speaker
um And we also find out Billy his reason for wanting to go on the witches road Was to find where the fuck is his brother Tommy? Well We know from watching Wanda vision He does have a twin brother named Tommy and he got lost the same time he did But did he get resurrected into somebody else and that's the big question that was asked in this episode He's looking for Tommy. He actually mentioned by mentions his brother by name um and I'm guessing that's where the series is going to go and it would be really cool to see if that actor has been cast. If this ends with ah with ah Tommy being shown, we we're not sure, but overall I love this show and this episode was fantastic. If you have not watched Agatha all along, it's on Disney Plus right now and we have three episodes left, one next week and the finale is going to be two episodes on Halloween, the night before Halloween. so
00:10:15
Speaker
Tune into that another great show Probably the best of the series so far is the penguin episode for this. This is a whole flashback sequence showing Sophia Being pretty much corrupted by her family going to Arkham Asylum Arkham State Penitentiary, whatever they call it in the show um it was done so fantastic and then the end of it we'll talk about the end of it in a minute, but I Carmine Falcone recast Marc Strong. I asked you about it, um recasting because I guess John Turturro had other obligations, couldn't come in and play him. yeah um But they did go to flashback. And it was only for one episode, so they probably didn't care either way. Right. Marc Strong's good, so. Marc Strong is fantastic. He's a great actor. yeah um he did ah He did a great job taking over the shoes of a Carmine, but um we also get a quick
00:11:15
Speaker
I want like we want we read Long Halloween last so we talked about it in depth um and this episode I'm so glad that you picked that comic book and I'm glad that we talked about it last week because this episode name
Sophia's Storyline Theories
00:11:28
Speaker
mentions a ton of people from the Long Halloween it's all about the Carmine the Falcone family Carmine Yeah, I'm Carla veeding you actually see in this episode um You see a lot of car you see a lot of falcones and we'll get to that in a minute um We also see a character that I didn't know much about I know you've watched God's you've watched a couple of things with her in it magpie Batman villains created in the 80s I believe I may have a yes, I do that's heard and in a debut and one of the yeah Batman comics looks very strange everything my favorite thing um favorite thing about this is um
00:12:04
Speaker
when we all saw on magpie we were doing the group watch and in the group watch chat corey's like magpie yes and then like five minutes later he's like magpie's got power she's like that means reeves can easily bring this bad man into the superman universe and and we're gonna get powers in this universe and literally as he hit send on that magpie died yeah magpie was dead but the way that she died was incredible um yeah she's in prison with sophia sophia gets so sophia gets fucked over by her family, especially her father, sends her to Arkham and she's pretty much fighting to survive there. And Magpie is one of the cellmates that she meets there and she ends up meeting her demise through the end of a table. um But then you also see Arkham. You see that the underbelly of arkham so Arkham Asylum, the corruption, the experiments that they're doing on the patients,
00:13:00
Speaker
Is that setting up something bigger for the Batman 2? We've already mentioned before, um the guy from, I can't remember his name, what's the guy's name from um Sons of Anarchy? ah Theo... Ah, he's Juice. Theo Rossi. Theo Rossi. The rumor was, could he be playing Hugo Strange? We'll get into the other rumor in a minute, but that was, we talked about that a couple weeks ago. Is he is this setting up something bigger for for for further going on in this Matt Reeves story that he's telling?
00:13:29
Speaker
We're not sure about that, but it seems like there's something going on here. um And then we get into the best part of this episode, and that's where the whole entire- when Sofia gets out of prison, seeks her revenge against the family that fucked her over, because they all all of her family wrote letters saying that she was crazy. She's been crazy since she was a child, so they sent her to Arkham to get tested, and ended up getting stuck there. Well, when she got out, she took her revenge against her whole entire family, and she murdered all of them in great vicious fashion looked fantastic she was dancing through the halls of the mansion as she was going through with a gas mask checking to see if all her family members were killed outstanding depiction of this scene uh and like i said right out of like long halloween everybody's getting picked off one by one they just did it all one episode which is fantastic um
00:14:22
Speaker
And she also took all of the power in Gotham because her entire criminal family organization was wiped out, leaving her the one and only family member left to rule. um Also, like I mentioned, retconned what we saw in Long Halloween, retconned it a little bit, but did it in a great, fantastic way.
00:14:41
Speaker
um Also, there's a poison that she lets off in the mansion. A lot of people are speculating that Poison Ivy was involved in an Arkham Asylum because of the mushrooms that she was growing with the drug Bliss.
00:14:57
Speaker
It got me thinking, is Sophia Matt Reeves version of Poison Ivy? Especially after she poisoned the whole entire family. Now we already know Matt Reeves world is more grounded. It's not going to be supernatural related. um Is this his way of saying like maybe she could be his Poison Ivy type character without giving that supernatural ability. Like she just knows how plants work.
00:15:22
Speaker
how poisons can be made, how aerial poisons can be made and killed the entire family. I haven't really seen that set anywhere. I kind of thought of that myself, but I don't I don't know. Yeah, you texted me as soon as it ended about that theory. um Yeah, I could work. It could. We'll see. then We've got a few more episodes of this to go. But the other this is the fan speculation I was hinting to with Theo Rossi. The other speculation is him working at Arkham Asylum. There's another crazy.
00:15:53
Speaker
Doctor that works there. Doctor Crane. Of course you know that as Scarecrow. Could Theoros be playing another version of Scarecrow in and and the Batman 2 for Matt Reeves? um That was a speculation going on after this episode.
00:16:10
Speaker
because they showed him doing the experiments. He kind of has this sympathy towards his patients in a weird way. um So im I'm not really sure about this character yet. and I don't think a lot of people don't really get it and understand it yet. yeah um And it'll be explored later on. Such a big actor. We know he's got a big place in this somewhere. We're just and we just need to figure that
International TV and Movie Watching Experiences
00:16:30
Speaker
out. But overall, this episode was Oh, it was amazing. If I were to rate it, it'd be like a five out of five just because of the way it just depicted everything. It's one of the I think I may have it in the notes. I'm not sure. It's one of the highest rated episodes of television ever on IMDB. I think it's a nine point five out of 10.
00:16:53
Speaker
um If there at first is like a nine point six and went down a little bit but nine point five out of ten There's not a lot of episodes of any television show that high. There's a few but not a lot But yeah, if you have not watching this it's on max every Sunday night. This is episode four again We got four left. So it's fantastic. It's really really good done. Well This week a show debuted on Amazon Prime except in the United States and and only the United States the office Australia so I was not able to watch it but everything I'm hearing is that is a bad blatant ripoff of the American office to the point where there's a lot of the same acting type same acting ability but I had no idea because I haven't been able to watch it and it's blocked
00:17:41
Speaker
I believe I've read that the VPNs are being blocked to through Watching it over here. I don't know how they're doing it through any through Amazon I don't know if it's because you have it on your account as an Amazon Prime in America I don't know but you're not able to watch it over here at all Yeah, I think I think that's what it is. Is that your register for Amazon Prime in America? It doesn't work overseas. so Yeah um But so I'm not gonna talk about that But we are gonna talk about the premiere episodes of shrinking season two. Were were you able to watch these two?
00:18:11
Speaker
I have not, I forgot they were on until I saw the notes of what they came out this week. I did see it. um I will tell you that Brett Goldstein plays an amazing twist character that sets up from something from the first season. And I cannot wait for you to watch this um because there's going to be a lot of, there's going to be a lot of interactions between him and Jason Siegel ah throughout the season. So it's fantastic. Very good. It's on Apple TV right now. First two episodes. um And that airs every Wednesday.
00:18:40
Speaker
Getting into movies. Kevin went to the movie theater yesterday. Saw a movie that I'm very excited to see and I'm... You're gonna fucking love it. By the way, sick invite, bro. Because that is my one of my top movies this year, for sure. Well, you don't have the regal pass anymore. and I don't have the regal pass. I got called to pick somebody up at the airport and had to kill two hours. so That's the only reason why I went to see it. I was just, of course, doing my errands and Anna texted me. She's like, can you pick me up at the airport?
00:19:09
Speaker
at pe and i was like fine so i had to kill two hours so that's the reason why i went to see it but very sad seasons i'm not you starting any live fan and this is a movie that i was just content to good right so I keep hearing fucking amazing it's filmed like um very documentary style Um, like you'll be following one character down a hallway, like behind them. And then like, say Chevy Chase will walk in that character will like turn left and the camera will start following Chevy Chase's character. awesome Um, as they go about their day, it's all like, I believe it is real time, the 90 minutes leading up to the first episode. I didn't hear that. I won't tell you where it ends. Um, but it ends off in a great place. Um, okay. And the acting is amazing. JK Simmons.
00:20:00
Speaker
fucking stand out. I mean, surprise, right? Yeah, Simmons is one of the best actors alive. Um, the guy who plays Chevy Chase though, owns this movie, absolutely owns this movie. Um, I have not seen a lot of early SNL. So it was tough for me to like put the 1984 version of Dan Aykroyd in my head while watching this because he's much different and pretty much everything body shape. He looks much different. Um, so When I got home, I watched the first episode of Saturday Night Live. Oh, I watched that a while ago. Cool. Because throughout the movie, um, they are rehearsing a lot of the skits. So I wanted to see the skits that they were rehearsing. Um, and that even further solidified how well all the actors did in this movie. Um, and I'm not sure y'all tell me it's like a blink and you'll miss it, but I think three Larson might be in this movie. Um,
00:20:55
Speaker
as What's his name? The head guy um blanking on his name. Lorne Michaels. The guy that was running the show. Lorne Michaels. Yes, Lorne Michaels. Yes, he's looking for Belushi. And he just asked him random blonde chick. And I'm like, that looks like Brie Larson. um Like where he's seen
Rumors and Casting Discussions
00:21:11
Speaker
Belushi. Oh, the other standout of this fucking movie was the head writer, who's also in the very first skit at the beginning with Belushi on the first episode. Yep. That dude was hilarious in this movie.
00:21:24
Speaker
a Absolutely. Like he might be my favorite character. Um, that I didn't know really anything about. So, um, overall, I'd say this movie is a solid four and a half. You'll probably guess you might give it a five. It is. You'll like it a lot. It's very, it gets like, it gives you a lot of like anxiety. Like I'm sure you've seen movies that like where they're getting ready to go to air on TV or whatever. Um, maybe before a concert or something like this love anxiety and the soundtrack kind of dictates the anxiety and they did a great job with the soundtrack, which is also done by one of the actors of the movie. Um, so yeah, just overall a great experience. Um, I loved it. It's an hour, just over an hour and a half, I believe. Awesome. Um, and both been wolf hearts randomly in it also. Yeah, I know he plays, he plays, he plays the NBC page. I did see that in the trailer. Um, the guy who plays John Belushi, I didn't want to get into that in a minute. Did he do a good job in the movie? The guy who played John Belushi. Okay.
00:22:22
Speaker
Yeah. Um, the casting was weird for a lot. Like each person was casted differently. Um, some people didn't even look remotely like the people. Um, the cast, I just listened to his interview by the director, um, the other day. And he was talking about how he basically just cast that character because he looked just like him. He cast the Chevy chase character because he could do the impersonation. Same with the accurate character. Um, but yeah, I mean, he's not, he's in the movie a lot, but he's not like,
00:22:49
Speaker
like all the
00:23:02
Speaker
um so yeah it's definitely a big recommend i can't wait if you just see it ah New York Comic Con we're gonna talk about at the end but currently going on and I guess I'm not sure if he was there somewhere um They're talking a lot about the guy who played John Belushi playing a version of Wolverine Because he's short. I guess he's muscular. um He's not really as bulky as John Belushi was back then but I guess it's muscular and could play it off. And I saw a picture of him without the makeup, without the John Lusche hair and all that, and he looked he looked like he could so do something like that. So wellll we'll keep an eye on that rumor, or that yeah fan casting. I watched a movie last night on Prime, brand new movie, Brothers.
00:23:44
Speaker
Did you end up watching the theater in English? Very, i wasn't very good. um But you can tell that there is no improv on set. This is a strict, like, I don't think, I don't think James Brolin could, I don't think Josh Brolin could do a improv movie. I think he's just a read the script type of actor who just reads, yeah stays it strictly to the script.
00:24:05
Speaker
um So it wasn't like you're you're thinking of movies like stepbrothers You're thinking of people that are known for the and improv and where the comedy it can come flying out There's a lot of funny moments in this movie, but it was I was thinking um You could tell that John Cena movie you will watch last spring, right? like something exactly ricky sicney or like yeah Yeah, you could tell that John Cena was just playing like crazy with yeah improv yeah um but this movie definitely looks like straight to the point it was written on paper performed and that was it so there's a lot of funny moments but didn't really push the bar and it's ah and reminiscent of a lot of movies past too so there's not anything that breaks the
00:24:43
Speaker
you know, breaks the wall. um Directed by Max Bar...Barbico, don't know the guy. um He did so the movie Palm Springs, which I had not seen starring Andy Samberg and the woman who plays Sofia Falcone.
00:24:58
Speaker
I have not seen that. I know it's about time travel, kind of like Groundhog Day, Kimon Hulu, right right during the pandemic, J.K. Simmons is in it as well. um He directed that. This is his second movie, starring Peter Dinklage, Josh Brolin, Brendan Fraser, right after the whale, um marie Marisa Tomei and Glenn Close all play roles in this movie.
00:25:19
Speaker
um Very good, um but you can tell, like I mentioned, it's not like blowing it out of the water, comedy-wise. But there's a funny scene in the middle of this movie that was kind of teased in the trailer with the monkey, with Josh Brolin. I couldn't stop laughing for like 10-15 minutes. um But it's really good, it's on Amazon, probably like a 3.5 out of 5 for me.
Alien Romulus Review
00:25:40
Speaker
um decent movie it's it's on if you have Prime it's on there so um finally came out came out this week alien Romulus my favorite movie of the alien franchise Kevin hi hi really hi how much High praise because of the acting and all we're going to get into in a minute directed by Fede Alvarez starring Kaylee Spaney or I don't I guess that's how you say her name. She was in the Civil War. She was the lead of the Civil War. She played Priscilla Presley in the ah on the Presley movie. priscilla movie yeah um Originally like you mentioned I think last week it was going to be a Hulu movie um and they decided to pivot and make it a theater movie.
00:26:22
Speaker
Good choice for that did gangbusters um Set between alien and aliens So we're talking about a timepiece actually it looks like in the beginning of this movie actually saw it looked like it was shot in the 80s some of it ah I believe it was purposely doing that Down to the camera. There's like camera filters and stuff that were used to look at make it look aged. I noticed that watching it um Andy the Android in this movie is the best android in this series ever Show better than better than in home and their original better than I can't remember his name and in aliens But the best depiction of AI I've ever seen on on on the alien movies by far And I can't wait to see if this goes further because this definitely could set up and another series of films with him in it And with this new this new this new girl. I can't remember her name in the movie Kelly Spaney. Yeah, I can't remember. name what's your Yeah. What's your name in the movie? I can't remember. yeah I don't remember. oh um But he's amazing. um And he is one of the I think it was a variety or somebody of the top young stars of the of the country or the of the world. yeah He's one of them. um Yeah. Rook is in homes character.
00:27:36
Speaker
from the original alien but another version of his android with the name Rook and he's on this he's on this ship Romulus. Romulus has been taken over by aliens. I'll get into that. I don't want to get into the big spoilers of this but actually there is one big spoiler that we need to talk about and that's an next but but in Holmes they did come back and they did do all new CGI deepfake on his face. A lot of people had an issue with that. Right. why Family a allowed they're like why you allowed it.
00:28:05
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and they did allow it and also like the point of having him in this is it was set up in the very first alien or no it was set up in aliens that that model that specific model had issues and bugs and that's why they had to have him in this because he's the bad android um that's the main reason why they had to have him in this um so you couldn't just use bishop from aliens you couldn't like do it like because if you use just a faceless like new one it would mean nothing so like you had to see him and know that that He's not a good AI. Yep. And the other thing that people are complaining about is the next thing we're going to talk about. Anybody who's not seen this movie, I suggest number one, watch it. Number two, skip the next 30 seconds, maybe 45 seconds. At the end of the movie, there's a brand new human engineer, xenomorph hybrid. A lot of people are complaining about that, but I thought what this movie did fantastically
00:29:04
Speaker
is not only bridged the first two Alien movies, but it also bridged every single, there's little scenes throughout that bridged every movie, including Resurrection, Alien 3, Prometheus, everything in between there has been referenced in this movie. And down to the acting, down to that, this that's why this movie is a 4.5, 4.5 out of 5 for me, easily. um um Two scenes I want to talk to you about. um First off,
00:29:34
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the no gravity alien blood scene? Yes. Holy shit. the gra loss of The way the way right the way they play gravity in this movie has not been done in a while like maybe 2001 I can't remember what movies have done grab played it like this but the way that they did it the the when they go onto this ship Romulus is stuck up in the up in the up in space.
00:29:58
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The gravity machine is broken so every was it every minute or so the gravity stops and everything starts floating So they're floating around and all of a sudden the gravity thing comes on and they start falling It's just it's just the way they depicted it on screen looked great and like you mentioned the alien blood She's going balls to the wall killing all of these aliens in there and their blood is just floating Through the gravity it looked fantastic. Um, yep, and the other one is is the yeah The two callbacks, one worked great and 10 seconds later, they kind of ruined it, is when the alien hazard pinned up and does the mouth thing. Yes. And then he jumps down and you're like, okay, that's an awesome callback to alien three. And then he jumps down and he says, get away from her, you bitch. And I'm like, just the way, I don't know, just the way he was directed to say it or it just came off poorly to me. Yeah. Yeah. You're right about that. It was a weird line. but Yeah.
00:30:55
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It's one of those things, it's one of those fights is one of those things that we knew what they were doing with this movie, reinventing it for a new generation, basically what the movie is going to be. um And that one line, very important in the first movie, it's kind of like he said the thing, you know the thing. He said the thing, knew the thing.
00:31:12
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um 80 million dollars to make this movie. It made 350 million worldwide. 105 million in North America. 80% of Rotten Tomatoes. 85% audience. Everybody loves it. And I love it too. and I know you love it as well. um And I cannot wait to see where this goes. I i don't know if we've heard anything. We haven't really heard anything about this going forward. um But it definitely sets up for something happening. Oh my God. Fucking crazy.
00:31:42
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I love how at the premiere, he got up and literally all he says is like, he got up and you got on the microphone. He just goes, God, I hope I didn't fuck this up. And then he like walked off stage and then the movie started playing at the premiere. Um, but yeah, I think Fede Alvarez is fantastic. I understand the issues. Like all people think that it, some scenes did seem like, like it looks like one of the scenes is ripped straight out of a solo. Um, so they're like Disney's AI machine is writing the movies.
00:32:10
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But overall, this movie is fucking fantastic. The atmosphere that Fede creates um is fantastic. The acting is all great. It made a shit ton of money considering the budget. Just hopefully if they do more, they don't say, okay, like Joker two did. They're like, okay, we can make this much money on 80 million. Why don't we make it for 150 and see what like, that's not going to work. Keep the budget. If you can do this for 80 million, you don't need to raise the budget more than 10 million. If you want to go a little bit further into it with special effects or whatever. Um, cause there's a nice little like self contained story, which is exactly what I wanted.
00:32:45
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especially after seeing what they do with Prey, where they took this part of their franchise and they just brought it back to Basics, which is what they do with Alien Rottenalous, which is my favorite thing about this movie, is it's very much like the first two. Yep, yep, so 4.5 out of 5 for me. It marks the highest in the rankings. I think I had Alien in Alien 1 at 4 out of 5, so definitely my favorite so far, and I hope this does continue.
The Crow Reboot Journey
00:33:11
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Speaking of continuing,
00:33:15
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we are at a precipice for the crow we are at the new reboot of the crow that came out this summer and i've been it's been a long long hard bumpy road and we got here but like you mentioned last week watching those movies puts this movie back on a higher pedestal for sure oh yeah there's problems there's a lot of problems with this movie a lot of problems we'll get into some of them but um Directed by Rupert Sanders. He did the only movie really notable for him was Snow White and the Huntsman that came out in the early 2010s Starring Bill Skarsgard as Eric Not driven just Eric um FKA twigs. The only thing I know about her is she dated Robert Pattinson for a while. Yeah as as Shelley and Danny Houston who's part of the Houston family? ah you jelly Yeah he's a great talent or yeah or somebody
00:34:11
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um 18 years in development hell this movie since the last one we talked about last week 18 years in development hell um With rumors of at one point Channing Tatum Ryan Gosling James McAvoy Mark Wahlberg Tom Hiddleston his brother Alexander Skarsgard Sam Whittaker who is does all the voices for Star Wars he does Darth Maul and Um, that was actually James O'Bares choice to play the Crow at one point. Nicholas Holt. Those were all people that were signed at one point to play the character. Then rumors. I remember around two days ago, I was on IMDB yeah every day, looking up like when this was going to move forward. It just never did. but continue Those were, those were all rumored names. The actual people that signed on, we had Bradley Cooper at one point.
00:34:59
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Luke Evans, Jack houston Houston, which is either the son or the nephew of the guy who ended up playing the bad guy in this movie, Danny Houston. um and It all signed on at one point to star, but eventually Jason Momoa,
00:35:14
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Had gotten the closest and they actually went into production for that Were with what within 10 days of filming or a week of filming? Yes, within 10 or 14 days here and Jason Momoa dropped out and They had the whole entire thing planned and ready to go and that was just a couple of years ago um And that was going to be called the crow reborn Strike that, reverse it, did not happen, so now we're at we're at square one, so they restarted again. Delay is mostly dealing with the Weinstein Company suing for their past distribution deals. and they just They did all the original Crowe movies. um This is a whole other, i don't know I don't know who did this, a whole other outfit that did it. um And well, the creative differences, I know Jason Momoa left because of creative differences. Producers wanted something.
00:35:57
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actors were trying to get something else, especially somebody with a name like Jason Momoa, who had a little bit of control of what he was doing, um ended up leaving. But James O. Barr became a creative consultant at one point and early on. Different depiction of the Crow afterlife and return of this movie. um Ended up right but right before COVID, they ended up getting Bill Skarsgard, F.K.A. Twigs, they ended up getting everything together, filmed the movie.
00:36:23
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um But this is gonna be closer to the books more so not fucking with a legacy of um It's supposed to be a retelling the biggest issue for modern usss out of the Yeah, the biggest issue for me is they claimed okay It's not gonna be a remake of the original will be good glad you not to turn that it's gonna be retelling of the story from the comic But there's two very very very important people in that comic and in the story overall to Eric and Shelley's story, that's Sarah and Officer Albrecht. And neither one are featured at all in this movie. yeah you're Not even hinted at like, I thought Sarah could have been one of her friends. yeah She's with in the beginning maybe, but that didn't turn out to be true. And then of course they have the cop that he and and he kills immediately when he comes back. And so he's just a regular cop, number one.
00:37:14
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These are my two biggest issues in the retelling, yes. Now, in the we're going to talk about it next week, the the graphic novel, but are they a big part of the novel, too? From what I remember, I'm going to start reading the novel on Monday. OK. OK. Because I haven't read it. I haven't read it in a while. Gosh. And 10 years, probably. I'm going to bring it down next week. Last time I read it, last time I read it was I believe around the time Momoa was cast, like 2014, 2015, I believe. It was around that time.
00:37:43
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a but I can't remember, but yeah. Um, from what I remember, they are, but they're similar as they are in the first movie. Okay. That's what I was wondering. Um, my biggest issue with this movie was it showed a weekend. Eric, uh, the crow, um, even the connection to the crow was kind of weak whack, um, and until the very end. And we're going to get into that right now. A night at the opera.
00:38:12
Speaker
I think out of all of these movies, this could be the best scene of any of the crow movies, even the the first one too. From the beginning of when Bill Skarsgard goes into this offer for opera building spoilers for the next 30 seconds.
00:38:27
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And murders everyone with a sword, mind you, like in the poster right there. Murders everyone in this opera who looked fantastic, bloody gory, and just took out his revenge for everything. I mean, this movie's still basically big basic right down to the DNA. It's all about revenge.
00:38:43
Speaker
because he was killed. His girlfriend was killed. um I also didn't I wasn't a big fan of the twist at the end either, where he kind of will get into that um right now. um At the end of the movie, um he he ends up saving his girlfriend who who died with him by sacrifices himself to the devil kind of saying like I'll go to hell just for to bring her back.
00:39:08
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Um, and originally that wasn't the case. And the ending sets up a possible sequel. Um, people, producers, everybody, including scars are guard had reservations against this. Cause they were thinking, I'll just do a one and done be be done. Don't leave it open.
00:39:27
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um But leaves it open where he's he hit where Shelley's alive And he gets sent to hell and where could that lead us going forward because there is the Danny Houston character um Compared to every other except for the last one and which had the devil and included but that was a fucking shitty movie. Yeah had the devil involved as well, but this one had Denny Houston being kind of like the messenger of the devil. Um, and there's more, that's more of a, that's more of a supernatural feeling to a villain we've had in these movies and most except for the last one.
00:40:02
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um Budget, $50 million, dollars only made $23.9 million, making it a huge box office failure. $9 million in North America alone. 23% on Rotten Tomatoes, 64% on the audience score on Rotten on rotten Tomatoes. so Overall for me it was like a It wasn't bad, but it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't the worst right either and there are a lot of those for me were grimaces So I say probably yes probably two and a half maybe even a three cause I don't know if i I may go back and watch this again. I don't know I'm not as bad as Chris. I was I don't think but I think the the Ending I mean like the whole opera scene
00:40:47
Speaker
Yeah. Is great. But by that point, you've kind of checked out on the story. Yeah. So it's just kind of like, and he's just like killing people and like, it just desensitizes you to it. Um, whereas every kill in the original movie meant something. Um, and you just, and even though he's doing these horrible things in the original movie to these people, like they all deserved it. And this, he's just going up against like, sure, they worked for the criminal organization or whatever, but at the end of the day, they just,
00:41:18
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we're working the opera. um And they're all like nameless faceless criminals. um yeah Some of those kills are fucking disgusting. Like when he takes the sword, he puts it in the dude's mouth. He pushes it all the way through. yeah um Also, that sword, gotta be the shortest sword in the history of swords. Like it's basically like an extended knife. yeah But yeah, I mean, overall, um I think I gave it a two and a half. So I'll stick to that.
00:41:47
Speaker
um he just not like the love story could have been done a little bit better if they're going to go that route of giving us like at the first forty five minutes of just a love story it could have been done or handled a little bit better and also at one point where he's just like i don't know if i want to save her and then like he randomly decides that he will unless she decides to give his life for hers you're just like ah was a quick turnaround but um Yeah, overall, you do have fun with the last. I'm probably gonna watch the end of this movie a lot. That's the thing. It's rewatchable. Like, there's only two movies in this franchise that are rewatchable. This one and the first
Saw Franchise Overview
00:42:21
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one. Everything else I could go without ever seeing ever again. But these two are worth watching. And especially, I mean, the first one is gonna be a classic forever etched in and pop culture and my my Halloween or whatever way of watching things. but
00:42:37
Speaker
um Overall not bad, but not good and two and a half out of five um Now we're getting into the Halloween things think of it all I know these movies are some of your favorites. This is your recommendation for this week Saw one Saw two and saw three. I've watched all three of them Um, James Wan created this. We're going to talk about James Wan in a minute. He also created Annabelle, um, the Conjuring universe, um, Insidious, I believe. And I remember he did a whole bunch of other stuff. Yep, everything, all of that. Yeah. Um, so Saw 1, 2004, Saw 5, Saw 2 is 2005, Saw 3, 2006. So every year this movie has been coming out almost every year. Um, I want you to talk about it because you know more than I do about how this movie was made.
00:43:24
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where Where the actor, I know Tobin Bell, of course, plays Jim Saw. It's so funny when I started watching this, the first night I watched it. Tobin Bell is in Sopranos. I've been doing a off pod watching the Sopranos again. He plays an army general in a in a yeah cadet in a school in that show. um So that night I was like, oh, I'll watch Saw. And sure enough, he's a jigsaw in that. um So what is your what is your knowledge of as far as how these movies were made? um what What do you love about them? What do you know that you can teach me about them?
00:43:59
Speaker
James Wan is an Australian Asian, film writer, producer, director. He went to school with Lee Whannell, Lee Whannell, who was in the first movie. He was the co-star of the first movie. oh um And they, for there for their final,
00:44:19
Speaker
they wrote a treatment to this this movie, to the first movie. um They, whatever, they did really well. um Their teacher handed them around Hollywood at the time. um And I believe that they went to film school in Australia. And they eventually, what they did was they had to make a short video. um So they rented out a warehouse and they made the part where um the the head trap in the first movie, they did that. Lee Whannell was in the trap for the for the testing. Because when they were shopping around Hollywood, nobody really understood.
00:44:54
Speaker
so they did that scene to kind of show them what the movie would be like and that's when they sold it to Lionsgate and they made the first movie um and Lee Wennell and him have been producing partners for a long time like if you see that movie Upgrade there's a scene with an elevator and of a
00:45:19
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um they put references to each other's movies and all the movies they do um i think they're both great at what they do especially low budget stuff um yeah i didn't write down the budgets of these movies but they had to be pretty low when he when he made the first one the first one was very low yeah from there as you saw the traps got more and more ridiculous and those budgets were not. But I mean, each one is making 100 million. So I mean, there's no like even the higher ones are probably like 15 million.
00:45:46
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yeah or so. um so let's Let's talk about each one individually for for a few minutes. Saw one. Of course, Cary Elway, so we know is Despero, but he's in a ton of movies in the 90s. He was in Robin Hood, Men in Tights, of course. But Cary Elway plays one of the guys in the basement in this in this bathroom that gets ah gets hooked up to, with chains, up to a pipe in this bathroom. and And there's another guy across the room. He's the guy you must be talking about, the other director. I was chained up to the other wall. and the whole I don't want to get into the aspects of the story, but the big thing about this movie, as you can see from the movie mr is as you can see from the movie poster, is everybody knows it because the movie's been out for 20 years, but in order to get out of these chains, Kerry Elway has to chop his foot off. Because the saw's too dull for the chain, but to chop off a human pocket.
00:46:45
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so he's a doctor so he knows he knows that um but the twist of this and and and jigsaw who's uh henry i think his name is in our hair henry i guess and and i can't remember what his name is in the movie but um toben belle plays fantastic he's kind of like the villain behind the villain like in this in this movie he basically forces people to do things for him he's like uh charlie manson basically yeah yeah he's not doing anything but he's forcing everyone else to do everything which also the guy from lost um and whatever he's been a ton of stuff he's a great character actor he's also in this movie and bla on his name um he's the guy that's like you kind of think he's the bad guy at the old time yeah he's fantastic in this too yeah any other stuff he's voiced dr her before so yeah And the other great actor in this we didn't talk about it is Danny Glover. Coming back as a detective. Of course, if you see Lethal Weapon, you know Danny Glover. um yep But yeah, big twist at the end is Jigsaw's behind it all, Tobin Bell. Nobody knows that yet. Then we get into Saw II. They bring in Donnie Wahlberg to play a detective in this. Donnie Wahlberg, the only thing but before
00:47:57
Speaker
Yeah, Detective Matthews, the only thing before this, he was in Sixth Sense, I know that, and he's done Blue Bloods and shit since then. He's been a big actor since, yeah. Been actor, yeah, and his brother, of course, Mark, has been even bigger. but um Second one is taking the stakes, making them make them a little bit bigger and wider, and they're in this mansion, and he brings a whole bunch bunch of criminals into this mansion.
00:48:19
Speaker
And Donnie Wahlberg's son is the only one that's not a criminal that's put into this place in this mansion. And then you find out... a Spoiler! What are you gonna say? Well, you find out... The twist of this... Well, one of the twists of this... The first twist is that all the criminals were put into prison by his father.
00:48:40
Speaker
like basically They don't know they want to kill his father. Yes. Yeah, they don't know and then they slowly Slowly as I turn they find out that whole shit This is this is the son of the the guy that fucked up my life and put me in prison but yeah the way that's depicted is great and at the end of the movie the big twist at the end is the one of the women from the first movie and one of the people that survived one of his tests and ends up becoming like the protege to Jigsaw and is helping him out and Donnie Wahlberg gets trapped in that same room from the first movie and gets chained to the jane chain chain to a pipe as well by this woman that's helping Jigsaw.
00:49:19
Speaker
um Great movie. I loved it as a continuation for the first one um yeah but Yeah, and then we get into the third one Donnie Wahlberg has I don't think this must have been filmed as a bonus a bonus scene for Saw 2 So he's not listed in the credits for the third movie I don't know if this is like a deleted scene from Saw 2 or what um He's about that because he had uh, they're supposed to do a storyline in this That they couldn't with him because he is he was already preoccupied or signed up or something else. okay So they just shot this one scene and they continue that he's actually in the fourth movie, which is a continuation of his story. oh So yeah, that's where that's what happened basically. And you also find out you find out there's another way to get out of the change and that is fucking brutal. But he wouldn't break literally shatters his ankle with the back of a toilet.
00:50:14
Speaker
He like hits that thing and then he breaks his foot the other way, right? That shit was hard to watch It's hard to watch these movies are hard to watch if you're not in the gory and I'm not in huge in the gory stuff um I watched these for you Kevin be grateful ye ah First one first one isn't too bad. It's a very first one is yeah really first one as far as thriller right on paper and then the big twist at the end it's a great thrilling twist movie um third one is okay out of all these three it's okay um more heart more relationship stuff as far as there's a doctor that
00:50:52
Speaker
Tobin Bell has cancer. That's basically why he does this from the first movie I know that continues to the series. I read up a little bit um But Tobin Bell has cancer and by the third one spoiler he dies But he tries to find a doctor that could help him help help take away some of the pain help help help him as he's dying on the table and his proteges in this one as well and trying to help bring a doctor in to help him and In order to get the doctor to help him, they put her in this device on her neck that'll, if his heartbeat goes down to zero, it'll explode and burn it blow her head off. Spoiler alert, it happens at the end. but And simultaneously, because like you don't really know like
00:51:35
Speaker
She and her husband are getting divorced. Right. And he's the one going through all the traps at the same time. But you don't know the entire movie. Spoiler alert, this entire... He wants to see his last... Jigsaw wants to see his last thing play out before he dies. That's basically what he wants. And this whole thing was a test for Amanda. And she fails the test, obviously. But like you don't know that the husband is the one going through the traps. And at the end, all all the two stories converge. yeah And then He of course ends up getting locked up because he's this he just he kills jigsaw and he doesn't know that the device on his wife's head is is Connected to his heartbeat and it's just fucked up. Yeah, it's fucked up ending And like you said, this is the end of a trilogy you said and I guess there's another trilogy after this um And I know there's a seat. There's a prequel. There's a spin-off with Chris Rock involved in this Yeah, spin-offs not very good. It's not the worst. Um the wife um
00:52:34
Speaker
from Dexter is in the one that's just called Jigsaw, which takes place I believe between two and three. um Saw 10 that came out last year or the, yeah, it was last year I think. That's set between one and two. When he first gets his diagnosis, his cancer diagnosis is obviously when the first movie plays out and then he goes to a different country to try to get, he goes to Mexico to try to get like help and meds and he gets fucked over by these people and puts them all in saw traps.
00:53:02
Speaker
um and Amanda's and that one also. Yeah, I mean, I love this series of movies. They do get very ridiculous and very convoluted at one point, starting with four. um and A lot of detectives get involved in shit. yeah Yeah, you can kind of get that picture that that could easily happen with this franchise.
Horror Series Exploration
00:53:20
Speaker
So I'm not surprised. Yes. Yeah, um yeah they're they're decent movies. I like the first one out of all of them the best. So yeah um getting further into the Halloween thing of everything of it all, I watched a Robert Eggers movie for the first time last night. We always asked me if you ever seen Robert Eggers. We talk a lot about what's the movie, The Lighthouse, and he's doing Nosferatu at the end of the year. I watched The Witch. This is one of his first movies. I thought he was a i thought he was like a British actress from New York. I had no idea who this guy was. I always hear Robert Eggers. This came out in 2016, set in the 1600s sometime. I'm not really sure where when.
00:54:01
Speaker
And it's all about this family who leave their pilgrims or Protestants leaving this village to go live out in the woods. And the family in the family, this movie stars Anna Taylor Joy, who's been in everything now, but back then she was a young actress. um Ralph Innocent, who was in The Office UK. He's been in the Harry Potter movies, Game of Thrones. He's going to be playing Galactus in the new Fantastic Four movie. We just talked about him in the last year.
00:54:28
Speaker
um He plays the father of this family. um Kate Dickey, who's also in Game of Thrones. She's been in Prometheus and she was in The Last Jedi. She plays the mother of the family. um there's and and There's three other kids, four other kids that are in this family. They're all out in the woods. um this This patriarch of the family is trying to create a farm, create a living situation where they can have sustainable living and growing in crops and whatnot in the forest.
00:54:55
Speaker
Come to find out in the forest there's an old ancient witch living out there. Spoiler. um Don't want to get into this movie is one of those movies where I don't want to get into the big huge twist twist at the end. There is one kind of um but Anna Taylor Joy does a fantastic job playing.
00:55:12
Speaker
this this character in this movie because you're not sure whether you're not sure what the fuck's going on throughout the whole entire thing i will say it's slow going in the beginning of this movie but by the end of the very last scene of this movie it looks great um and then you get the full picture of is there some devilish shit going on and you finally get the answer at the end i thought that scene was fantastic especially the very, very last scene that you see in the movie, um the way that's depicting the witches, spoiler, and the devil and worshiping and all that. I thought it was great. um And even the the the in the, in the marketing, I know they market the the black goat. I thought the way they they did that in this movie was fantastic too, but overall four out of five for me. um And now I've seen a Robert Eggers movie. So next time you ask me, hey, have you ever seen a movie from him? I have, so. Are you ever gonna watch The Lighthouse?
00:56:01
Speaker
I'm not sure because you tell me that one's pretty weird. So I'm not sure if I should see it out there. I don't know if you'd like it. He's one of those directors where I don't know. if I don't know if I can recommend a movie to somebody because I don't know if they hurt like it or not. Very very like I get I get that. Yeah, I definitely do. And i and especially with the White House, the way it's looked in in the trailers and stuff, I've seen that. but his movie with rock yard is really good too No It looks awesome. It's a timepiece. It's kind of set like this a little bit, but with instead of the witches, you got the vampires. Another movie. I talked about Conjuring last week. um And now we're talking about Annabelle.
00:56:44
Speaker
Um, surprisingly, I like this movie. A lot of people don't like it, but I'm not a big huge fan of, like, Chucky. I'm not a big huge fan of terrorizing doll movies. Um, this is a spin-off slash prequel to the original Conjuring movie, um, set in the in the late 1960s during the Manson Family Murders and Satanic cult stuff that was going on.
00:57:07
Speaker
um It's all about this Santana cult that goes into this family's home, ends up doing a sacrifice in the home and and when one of the women in this cult dies in the house, she ends up um going into the doll of Annabelle that this woman has and creates havoc in and becomes kind of like a poltergeist for the house, a destructive doll. And of course we saw that in The Conjuring, the doll isn't a case in that movie.
00:57:34
Speaker
Um, this is the prequel to that. Um, $6.5 million dollars budget. We talked about that last week. These budgets are so low. Makes so much money. That's why these movies keep getting made. $257 million dollars box office. Fucking crazy. Um, this came out in 2014. Uh, 2016. The I watched the first one. I wanted to watch the second one because I know a lot of people love this one too.
00:57:58
Speaker
um And I loved it as well. 2016, directed by James Wan again. I think, I believe this is the last time he directed The Conjuring, something for The Conjuring universe. um Patrick Wilson and Viren Furmer, Farmeriga, Farmerga, whatever her name is, came back, reprising the rules as the, as Ed and Lorraine. Briefly touches on Ed and Lorraine's most famous case, the Amityville Horrors case in Connecticut. I know there's been movies and stuff all about that. um But this is all about the Enfield case in England in 1977. It's in a borough of London.
00:58:28
Speaker
um It's a it's considered in England's Amityville And it's kind of crazy that this place is haunted by poltergeist in the movie depicted as a nun Of course, this is also spin-off into other movies the nun nun to yep, so on and so forth um and also the big thing is getting on and You ain't getting none, the porn version. And the other big, the other big thing about this movie that was going to be spun off into another series, but wasn't was the Crooked Man, which is the creepiest part for me, especially when there's a scene in a tent. I think it was Patrick Wilson looks in the tent and the Crooked Man comes out of the tent and scares the but Jesus out of him and me as well. um The Crooked Man was going to be a planned series, ended up getting canceled, I believe, right before the pandemic or during the pandemic or delayed indefinitely.
00:59:17
Speaker
But ah the Crooked Man was a big part of this movie. Another another low budget. 40 million dollars. 321 million at the box office. 102 in North America. At the time, second highest grossing horror film of all time.
00:59:31
Speaker
only behind the exorcists of 1973 so another movie I'm not sure if I could watch because movies with poltergeist and and getting possessed those movies freaked me out too much even Damien stuff like that I don't know if I could watch watch those without being completely tormented in my sleep for a week so um I'm gonna continue watching this I do want to watch the the next Conjuring movie um and I believe the nun and there's another there's another Annabelle movie where Ed and the Rainer in it as well I kind of want to see that too but um and then we'll talk about in the news but the but the other Conjuring movie just started filming this week so
01:00:11
Speaker
So we are a week away, which by the way, i'm going i think I think I'm going to sign up for Regal Unlimited because there's a lot of movies coming out in the next month and a half that I do want to see.
Venom Film Series
01:00:21
Speaker
And next week is no exception. Next week, Venom ah The Last Dance comes out. So we're going to talk about Venom.
01:00:28
Speaker
Because this is one of my, this is my favorite comic book character, Venom, since I was a kid. Since the the animated series came out, I've had an obsession with Venom, the Venom character, the symbiote. So we're gonna get into all the history of the symbiote. Debuted in Secret Wars number eight, Spider-Man goes off planet to battle world and picks up the symbiote suit. And for a few years from 1984,
01:00:51
Speaker
Until I think 88 when the suit comes off of him um He's wearing this black suit cool different variation of his spider-man suit all black with the white eyes The new different white spider on the front. Everybody knows what venom looks like in the comic books But all right What's same be a spider-man looks like to same look without the big huge face and the teeth and tongue and all that just spider-man?
01:01:14
Speaker
So that's where it all started. Spider-Man the animated series in 94 did a retelling of this story. um Made it the character or household name at that time as a cartoon.
01:01:25
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um and after the After it became a household name, a lot of people loved it, it started having talks of being a solo film. It started in 1997, the talks. um First script written by David S. Goyer, we talk about him all the time. ah produced by It was going to be produced by New Line Cinema. Dolph Lundgren was in talks to play Eddie.
01:01:44
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Brock Venom um and in the first movie in the 90's was going to have Venom star as the villain in the movie. This did not come to pass because Sony purchased the rights to all the Spider-Man characters including Venom, canceling the new lines deal to make that movie. um The history of the issues, the rights issues, 1990's, Marvel was going under bankruptcy.
01:02:06
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So they sold all of their characters, and Sony picked up the biggest one that they had, which was Spider-Man, and started making movies a few years later with, with of course, the Tobey Maguire one, Sam Raimi one. And they ended up selling all the characters off. We talked about it we talked about it all the time. Hulk was owned by Universal. New Line owned, I believe, Blade. It was all moved around everywhere. But Spider-Man was the big one that Sony purchased, and they had to deal with that.
01:02:30
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um solo The solo film took more steam after 2007 when Venom showed up in Spider-Man 3. It took a decade to take shape after Disney's Spider-Man Returns after that after spiderman three because of course we had amazing Spider Amazing Spider-Man 2, which was considered a failure for Sony. um originally was going Originally was going to relaunch the Venom into a new solo series after Spider-Man 2, Amazing Spider-Man 2. That was going to be a launching point because it was a blocked box office failure. Everything changed, of course we know that. At that point it's been written a bunch of times. The first strap was written by Paul Wernick and Rhett Reese of Deadpool fame. And it was originally called Venom Carnage. That was the first time. It was right around 2010, 2011.
01:03:22
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um And then Sony's Spider-Man universe started this is after Sony's deal with Marvel and Disney to make a homecoming um And after it became a success Sony's rights to the characters um Originally it was going to be connected to homecoming But ultimately Sony decided to distance himself and keep all those characters to themselves make their own universe After Disney had a little bit of a pushback with because of the rights and control issues is all fucked up Twisted mess over there, which we know we talk about it all the time MCU's loan deal meant no spider-man could be in these movies We talked about that all the time of how the Sony movies suck
01:04:03
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because all the origins cannot be related to Spider-Man and having Venom not be related to Spider-Man is a huge mishap because everybody thinks of Venom as being the arch um arch nemesis of Spider-Man and you can't even have him on loan. um According to several reports for the first movie, Tom Holland spent several days ah During the production of Venom, filming a cameo, but was nixed by Marvel and Disney because sony they wanted Sony to exclude the scene and because they wanted to keep Spider-Man all on the MCU side, not on the Sony side.
01:04:39
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So there are a lot of weird rules to this. Still not really sure what the rules are, but they want to keep full control and Sony of all their side characters, so they created this universe, the Sony Spider-Man universe. This movie was originally played as an R rating after Deadpool and Logan became so successful, but changed to PG-13 because they were hoping that later on maybe there'd be a potential for future movies and team-ups with Spider-Man. Directed by Ruben Fleischer, who directed Zombieland 1 and 2,
01:05:09
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um and they brought in Tom Hardy to play Eddie Brock. Ris Ahmed, who was the only movie and I remember him in, was Rogue One. Michelle Williams, Reed Scott was in Veep, and Jenny Slate, she's on SNL, Parks and Rec. um Based off the Lethal Protector and Planet of the Symbiote Stories of the 90s,
01:05:28
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And this movie Eddie Brock is run out of New York. He works for the Daily Globe. They didn't use the Daily Bugle I don't know if that had to do with Marvel and and Disney. I'm not sure um And they also changed the setting to San Francisco But that is just like his comic book solo run because in the solo run um of lethal protector He's working out of San Francisco too and is also bringing up a new new a Corporation called the Life Foundation who's doing a lot a lot of us scientific experiments on humans and so on and so forth The best part about this movie is Tom Hardy's portrayal of Venom. lot of There's a lot of problems with it. I have a lot of problems. A lot of people have a lot of problems. And one of the big problems is Spider-Man is not involved. We'll get into that in a few. But um but the one of the best parts about it is Tom Hardy's depiction of Eddie Brock and Venom and their duality and the duality of the character and playing off of each other and the inner and outer monologues between the two of them are great.
01:06:24
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um when he's fighting with himself when he so and he does the voice of venom too so he's and we'll talk about that He recorded Venom's lines each morning to have laid back through an earpiece during filming that day to make it easier in the symbiotic interaction throughout the day. um It's a technique he used in the movie Legend which I've never seen but I know he played twins in that movie.
01:06:43
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um Tom Hardy had full creative control and full improvisation control during filming so he could rewrite on the fly and progress the character wherever he felt fit during in the narrative as filming was going on. um The lobster scene when he goes in the lobster tank completely off the script. um He saw a lobster in a tank and said oh can I get in there and go swim in the lobsters and that's exactly what happened.
01:07:07
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um Movies villain Carlton Drake riot was one of the five symbiotes in the lethal protector comic book But for some reason they only use one and I have a feeling that there's I have a feeling that there's because a bunch of reasons But one of the big ones was scream. She's kind of like yellow and black But they didn't they only use one riot um And they're all talking about an alien innovation, which I know the new movie is coming out next week has to do with that as well and no gets further down the
01:07:38
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rabbit hole of that as well. um This is also a movie that has one of Stan Lee's last cameos. um He's a dog walker, ends up talking to Eddie Brock at the end of the movie. um We see She-Venom, a quick appearance of She-Venom at the end of this. um And the mid-credits scene, something that's been played off since the very first script of this that came out in 1997. We see Cletus Cassidy, played by Woody Harrelson, sitting in a jail cell.
01:08:05
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And Eddie Brock goes in there to talk to him. And he's talking about there's going to be a lot of carnage. dot dot dot He said the thing. Flusher wanted to cast Woody Harrelson. He worked with him in Zombieland um because of his role in National Born Killers, which I've never seen, but I hear it's a good movie.
01:08:23
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um After credit after credit scenes the very first time we saw first glimpse of spider-verse We got a little I think five-minute clip of spider-verse the first movie with spider-man flying through the graveyard at the Peter Parker that passed away in that universe a hundred and sixteen million dollar budget eight hundred and fifty six million dollar box office 213 in North America alone huge huge huge moneymaker for them 30% rotten tomato, mostly criticizing its desperate need for a stronger attachment to Spider-Man, which is what I desperately say too. um But praising Eddie and and Venom's symbiotic relationship ain't dynamic. 80% rotten tomato audience score as well. So um so a couple of years later, a new movie that's supposed to come out in 2020, Pandemic happened, came out in 2021, continuing the story. um Venom let there be carnage.
01:09:13
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ah This time a new director came in a familiar person Andy circus, of course Gollum from Lord of the Rings Caesar from um Planet of the Apes reboot that came out um Andy circus came in directed this because he has a lot of knowledge with doing the mocap um And I knew there's gonna be a lot of mocap with venom and carnage. So he came in directed it Cletus Cassidy murders background gives the bond of the symbiote a sadistic killer personality So when the venom symbiote splits off in this movie um Which happens?
01:09:42
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Cletus Cassie becomes Carnage. his ah His kind of son is is is said in the comic books a lot. Cletus Cassie calls Venom his father a lot um and does in the movie too. But for the difference between Carnage and Venom is that Carnage has weapons, tendrils with blades. um Venom is more flu fluid, has more physical like ah like hammers and stuff where Cletus Cassie actually has sharp weapons.
01:10:09
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um and like I mentioned, he che he treats them more like a father. Carnage debuted in Amazing Spider-Man number 61 in 1992. But yeah, it's depicted right out of the comic book when ah when eddie when Eddie goes to the jail. In the comic book, he actually is in the prison cell next to Cletus Cassidy, and a piece of the symbiote comes off of him.
01:10:30
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goes into a cut in Cassidy's body and enters his bloodstream and the movie version is a little bit different different where where Cletus is being killed through a lethal injection. In this one, the symbiote takes over his whole entire body as he's being put through a lethal injection. but um
01:10:52
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Shriek, we see a new character in this named Shriek. She is um she is in maximum carnage the the comic book run that happened in the 90s the video game um she's a she's a mutant kind of i believe she's mute they name her actually a mutant in this but um she has this really scream a really loud scream like a mutant life scream that'll kill everybody's ears and the the um the detective in this movie burst his earlobes because because he heard her screaming In this movie, different from the first one, because he was fired from his blog, Eddie writes columns for the Daily Bugle. For some reason, they brought the Daily Bugle in this one. um The jailbreak scene, when Carnage first escapes, is directly out of the comic book origin.
01:11:37
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army He destroys everybody, the guards, even the prisoners in the jail just get to escape. um The problem with this movie is PG-13 watered down Carnage quite a bit, watered down the story, couldn't maim and murder as much as he would in the comic book run. um Weakened him a little bit. um But everybody talks about this movie. The one big thing from this this is right before the MCU goes into No Way Home, right right right before we get into the Spider-Man and where all the Spider-Man show up.
01:12:08
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um So we're not sure what's happening. We know all the rumors at this point were Tobin Maguire and Andrew Garfield and Tom Holland were all going to team up in the next Spider-Man movie. So what does that mean for the villains? So that gives us a mid-credits scene of this movie where we see Eddie and Venom on the run in a hotel room because they're on the lam now. um And they're suddenly transported to another universe teasing the No Way Home that's going to happen a year later. Where they see J. Jonah Jamison and Tom Holland's MCU Spider-Man on TV.
01:12:37
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After the Mysterio reveal of secret of his secret identity and far from home More venom recognizes him through his connection to the symbiotic hive mind. We'll get into that next week, but But yeah, it's kind of teasing like oh, that's taste and he licks the TV That's a it's a it's a it made credit scene. Everybody was talking about because we knew it set up something for the for the venom for the spider-man movie We just weren't sure Moving movie had a budget of 110 million um made 506 million dollar box office a little lower but was also during Covid right after Covid so understandably low box office 57% rot tomato a little bit better than the first one 84% audience score but for me carnage was watered down because they couldn't do anything with the PG-13 rating which is understandable but
01:13:25
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I'm very excited for next week. We've talked about it and all coming in and I don't want to get into too much until next week when we see it But yeah, I'm very excited for that with that being said Let's get into
01:13:47
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it's not a sentimentment without trail around Not a lot of trailers this week, but there's a couple I wanted to talk about trailer for the 2004 Boston Red Sox docu-series you end up watching this it's not coming out on Netflix you see this trailer is it is I Have not seen the trailer. I'm just gonna watch. I don't watch a lot of trailers. You know that ah Comes out October 23rd on Netflix, the whole series. I'm not sure how many, epi three part, it's right there, three part series. All about the 04 Boston Red Sox. Those were exactly 20 years from that time. um yeah Talking about how they broke the curse of the Bambino.
01:14:22
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I'm excited about that because that was an exciting time for Boston and New England, of course, and I was down in Florida at the time. So that's a lot of meaning to everybody who loves baseball and loves New England. So I'm i'm excited to watch that. It's going to come out on Netflix on October 23rd. Saw a new trailer for a new movie. Don't know nothing about it other than it stars William Defoe and Finn Wolfhard called The Legend of Ochi. It's an A24 movie.
01:14:45
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A new trailer came out and looked weird. we're kind of Remind me of like where the the Wilder People movie that came out a few years ago. but not This is more of a sci-fi, look at that. But yeah, I don't know anything about it, it looked weird. um This looked great. Done by the Russo Brothers, another movie.
01:15:01
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called The Electric State, um starring Millie Bobby Brown, of course, ah Eleven from Stranger Things, Chris Pratt, who's in everything, Q Kwon, Jason Alexander, Woody Harrelson, Anthony Mackie, Brian Cox, Jenny Slate, Giancarlo Esposito, Stanley Tucci, directed by the Russo Brothers, coming in out on Netflix on March 14th. It looks like it's all about these AI robots that are being destroyed by the world.
01:15:28
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and they're kind of doing a revolt. That's the only thing I kind of get from the trailer, but it looks decent. It's gonna be on Netflix, so we don't have to go to the movie theaters and see it. So I'm i'm intrigued. We'll see about that. um Talking about box office last week, Joker fully ado.
01:15:45
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Failed 81% drop at the box office Taking its top spot in the box office Another clown art the clown Terrifier three top the box office. So the first time in the franchise of 18 million dollars in this debut weekend Yep, this is huge for that. I would have I would have seen that instead of Saturday night But this movie is like a half hour long longer and I'd have that much time to kill so um I can't wait to terrify our three I hear a lot of personal things about it. number Remember when I reviewed Terrifier 2 and I said just give this guy a million or two dollars and see what happens? Yeah. We just did that and saw what happened. Damien Leone's been all over Twitter, the director, um liking posts and sharing posts about people that like the movie and whatnot. um He said he's probably going to do at least two to three more. um That's how many stories he thinks he can tell with this character. Yeah. So we'll see. I mean, the budget should probably remain around
01:16:43
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two five million mas and because they do a great job with the low budget yep I'm rounding out the top three wild robot was number two and Joker seven million um Compared to the second week was number three. So I'm coming to digital on the twitter coming in of digital next week.
Upcoming Movies and TV Shows
01:17:04
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Yeah um Speaking of Joker David Howard Thornton who plays art to clown wants to play DC use Joker I believe I have a picture here of what he would look like million max and all because they do a great job with the low budget um First of all, that's arctic clown if you don't know who arctic clown is very sadistic But this is a picture of what he played in a in a youtube short. I believe it's a joker He looks just like the fucking joker But he wants to play I think that should go back to a non-scarred just a regular straight-up dude Yeah, it just wears a little bit of face the man who laughs. I think that's yes, that's who I would love the DCU Joker to be
01:17:39
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Yep, The Man Who Laughs is what I would want to see too. um Already confirmed that they're going to be doing Epic Closure to the Art of the Clown Saga with Terrifier 4. Demi and Leon mentioned that. um So yeah, i I'm not sure if I want to watch these movies. I'll let you be the judge next year if we should get into them or not. but um i I want you to, but I understand if you don't. um The first one is very much in line with some of the bad Christmas horror movies we've watched.
01:18:09
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Yeah. But, like, that's the type of movie it is. then The second one, obviously, is a much bigger budget. I mean, the budget is still only like half a million dollars, I think. And it has like fucking Chris Jericho's in it, like a bunch of random people are in it. I'm interested to see what your take on the third one is first. I want to hear what you say about the third one before I get into it next year. I'm really excited to hear what you want to say about it before I get into it. Okay. um but Joker fully ado, it's going to be losing roughly 150 to $2 million in the theatrical run after bombing at the box up. Is this a huge loss for Warner brothers? Um, and like you mentioned coming out on digital next week on, not on October 29th. So who what a loss. And I, and for everything I hear for what you've told me, it's not that good. So, um, it's better than the reviews say, but yeah, it's still not great.
01:19:00
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We talked about ratings. We talked about the penguin earlier. I think I even mentioned it. 9.7 at one time. What? 9.5 one of the highest rated TV episodes ever. I didn't want to mention it again because it's up it's it's it's awesome. Just watch it. It's on HBO Max. um Another place Ozzy Mandeus and a few yeah episodes of the Thrones basically.
01:19:22
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Another movie that we need to watch, I believe I may have been in the rundown for next week's HEMA on digital this week, on The Wild Robot. A sequel is in development of DreamWorks, and I know it it reminds a lot of people it reminds me when I see the trailers of it of and of the the Iron Giant and stuff like that. DreamWorks movie about this this CGI robot, so yeah, I'm kind of interested in that.
01:19:44
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um Comes in and they're gonna be making a sequel to it um David corn sweat our new Superman Has been cast in a new movie called mr. Irrelevant the follow the movie follows John Tuggle who was given the title of mr. Irrelevant after being the last pick of the end in the 1983 NFL Draft. Do you know anything about that story or but what? takes From that that's that's the name they give to everyone nowadays is picked less This might be the first time where somebody picked last year actually made a team, is my guess. That's when he got the nickname, Mr. iroella Irrelevant, because they they pretty much say that about anyone that's picked last nowadays, that they're Mr. Irrelevant. So that could be the first guy who actually made it, maybe he made a Pro Bowl or made an impact on the team.
01:20:29
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yep um We've been talking about it every every so often that Universal Orlando is doing this new epic universe outside of Universal Studios and outside of Islands of Adventure. This is going to be their third park. Officially opening on May 22nd, 2025 in Florida. and It's going to have a new Harry Potter a Wizarding World of Ministry of Magic. It's going to have Super Nintendo World.
01:20:50
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um How to Train Your Dragon. It's going to have a whole bunch of Dark Universe set of the Universal Monsters. um So that's opening on May 22nd of next year. Do you have any late breaking news, Kevin? Yeah, um not really breaking. I just looked it up real quick. He only played, he died like two years after being drafted, John Dougall. Okay.
01:21:14
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So that's probably why he probably had, I'm not going to read the story now, but, um, yeah, yeah he tiger he was drafted 83 and died 86. So maybe we'll do, we'll, I'll look into it and do a teacher sports coming up closer to the movie. Yeah. Yeah. We can do that. Um, Barbie, huge success last year. I wasn't a huge fan of it, but now every toy that we loved growing up is getting a movie. i saw this and send it to you Including the view master, which I loved. It was one of my favorite toys growing up, the view master, because we didn't have three at the time.
01:21:48
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But you see- We didn't have iPhones. Right, we didn't have any of that shit. So Viewmaster was a cool little thing. You put these little discs in there, you look through it like a visor. Speaking of Virtual Boy, it looks like a little smaller version of a Virtual Boy, but the pictures don't move. It's not video, it's just pictures. And it was like a- the The little clicker on the side is kind of like a little fidget toy that they sell now. They sell fidget toys. It kind of remind yeah that like gives you a back satisfying click every time you do it. It's like a camera that doesn't take cameras, that doesn't take photos. Right. It's a camera without the without the without the pictures. But Sony, for some reason, is is designing a live action Viewmaster toy movie. So um we'll see about that. Just about the creation of the toy like they did with the
01:22:34
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yeah they like they've been doing like the blackberry movie maybe whatever else i yeah fucking weird um Hugh Jackman Ryan Reynolds of course just came out of Deadpool Wolverine doing gangbusters for them and their careers um rumors are that they're gonna be in the running for hosting the Oscars coming out in March 2nd of next year I think they've got great dynamic together. It'd be interesting to see if that happens. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see. Oscars is one of those awards shows that's worth watching. so
01:23:06
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I want to wait and see. um Speaking of Oscar winners, Christopher Nolan's new movie lands a universal deal. um Despite Warner Brothers' attempt to lure him back with a seven-figure tenant check, they were going to pay him what he waived for tenant. They were going to pay him to bring him back to Warner Brothers. and He said, no, no, thank you. I'm going to universal. I don't know if I have it in the notes. Did we talk about it last week that he that he announced the new movie with Matt Damon? I think we may have talked about it last week. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. yeah Um, the FTC FTC is finalizing a new click to cancel rule that requires all subscription service to offer one click to cancel.
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01:23:43
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There are a lot of subscription services where you have to go through a lot of pages in order. Are you sure you want to cancel? Are you really sure you want to cancel? I got, um, uh, subscription to, um, obviously you listen to the podcast. You probably know of athletic rings, AG one. Yep. They sponsor so many podcasts. Um, and I wanted to support one. It was right after COVID and all that stuff. So I got,
01:24:04
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Yeah into that and it took me I was on the phone with some dude from India for like two hours one night and still nothing got accomplished like it was a pain in the ass that I finally finally got rid of it but I ended up spending an extra like two or three hundred bucks on the stuff which I did like like it's nothing like with the product I just I was using it somewhere I was working and then I wasn't working so I didn't need as much um so it was a great product so if you want to sponsor us holler but um but it just took me fucking forever to uh to get this fucking thing cancelled and I was finally dead, so yeah. Yeah, the Federal federal Trade Commission are going to come in and try to make that a little bit quicker and easier. The other ah the other pun yeah the other streaming service that's bad for that was Sirius satellite radio. I remember having to call up the customer service for that to cancel. That was a pain in the fucking ass. I don't know if it's gotten any easier since then because I still have Sirius.
01:24:55
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Oh man, that was, that was bad to having to call them up. And they said you mail chase every month. Yeah. Oh, come back. You have, you have a free trial. Your radio's back on. Come back. No, thank you. Um, Martin Scorsese is doing a Beatles documentary called Beatles 64. Um, it's going to stream on Disney plus about their trip to America. Um, of course going on, uh, all the TV shows and, and, and doing the huge, um, the arena run that they did and a stadium run. So, um, that'd be pretty cool.
01:25:23
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um Josh Brolin is to be cast as a villain in the Running Man remake with starring Glenn Powell in Edgar Wright's Running Man. I love Josh Brolin, so that'd be cool. um Disney has set a officially in the works a Prince Charming movie. um They've touched on everything, so I guess Prince Charming, of course Cinderella. Paul King, who directed Waka, is going to be directing this.
01:25:48
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um just announced yesterday. um We got the first glimpse of the full cast of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia and Abbott Elementary. That's them together right there. They're filming currently a a crossover episode for the two. So, excited for that.
01:26:03
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Um We talked about this a while ago. Do you remember when I talked about this Amazon anthology series? Where they're taking all of these old video games and I believe it was like D and&D and pac-man They're bringing a whole bunch of other video games into this ecology series so Well, you got some of the the voice actors for this and and actors leaked out of it and some of them are pretty big names Keanu Reeves Kevin Hart and Arnold Schwarzenegger Um, so yeah, I don't I don't know much more about that. I the trailer was weird It was kind of a weird concept i when I saw it. So we'll keep an eye on this. We'll talk about it later on but uh, yeah, um announced today They're going to be making a dirty dancing broadway musical in 2025 which is funny because when I was watching the movies this summer I was thinking wow I wonder why this has not been made into a musical because there's a lot of familiar 80s songs that could be brought into a musical
01:26:57
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and done well you see that and in those those jukebox musicals all the time on broadway like mama mia and all that why couldn't that happen well they're doing it so yeah they're gonna be a dirty dancing broadway musical in 2025 um we got the first Character pictures of gladiator coming out a month from now Paul Pascal playing Paul Muskell playing the main character Denzel, of course Pedro Pascal Joseph Quinn We got all the characters from the main characters from that movie. They're coming out a month from now I mean a movie that should have been made probably 10 15 years ago, but you don't have to wait love to wait and see on that um Brand-new straight out of it may have been straight out of a New York Comic Con. I'm not sure but the first poster for Karate Kid Legend came out today coming out on May 30th with Jackie Chan of course the new Karate Kid and Ben wong Wang Wang and Ralph Macchio kind of bridging the gap between the two Karate Kid franchises. This poster looks pretty cool. I've seen the first one, loved the first one that's about as far into that that franchise as I've gotten and I know you're a big fan of Cobra Kai and
01:28:08
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and everything else in between so um announced today as well oh wrong picture Luca Gaga Nino um the only thing they I know he directed was challengers this year um is going to be directing American Psycho a new not remake retelling based off the book the book ah for Lionsgate I hope they keep saying it's not a remake yeah I hope it's um akin to Since you can get away with it seems with movies like the Terrifier now, I know it's not that bad, but like right the book is much more graphic than the original movie. So I wonder if he's going to go that route or if it's going to be pretty much just a very loosely based on the book because they could make it very graphic and still have an R rating with the way things are nowadays. You know the Terrifier 3 is not rated.
01:29:01
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Now we know Challengers, had Zendaya, had a lot of great young actors in it. Who do you think could play the lead character in Psycho? Of all the young characters from Euphoria? Because I have a great pick for you. What do you what do you think? Honestly, um well, speaking of Challengers, I think that kid, that's not the one I want for The Flash, but the other one, I think he would be actually his smile. um He's kind of a psychopath, in that but like he's just, every time he he smiles, you're just like, oh, shit. um but I don't know, maybe... Jacob Ellery, that's what I'm thinking. I was thinking of his co-star from Saltburn, although he's not that attractive of a human being. okay The guy who played Joker. Yeah, I think he could pull off the Psycho part, but he I don't think he can pull off the Charming part. oh I think Alardi would be a good pick though. He can definitely pull off the Charming and the Psycho part. and He's at the right age.
01:30:00
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Um, whether they base it still in the eighties or if they maybe modernize it to now is, could mean a lot for that character. Um, I think you would have to do it with what he's doing. You would have to set in the eighties because you can't do any of that stuff nowadays with literally camera on every street corner type deal. Yeah. know Um, it's like Dexter could never go away with his shit nowadays. Right. Right. That's why they had to put him in a town in New York where no one was watching him. Um, so yeah.
01:30:29
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It's interesting, I'll be looking forward to the casting when they do cast it. Yeah, me too. That's an interesting casting right there. um Started filming, I think I mentioned it earlier, Conjuring, the the last one called Conjuring Last Rites. Started filming this week. They got the picture that they posted on on socials coming out a year from last month, September 5th of 2025. I'm excited for that once I'm into the universe here.
01:30:52
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um Invincible, I know you've watched some of that season three coming out on February coming on February 6th of 2025 season three And I know this series is known for splitting it up um The one thing I heard about this is all coming out all at once. It's not gonna be split up. It's coming out right and right There's only There's only the second season they did and I have no idea why they did that they like I think they split her up into it. I don't even think it was halves It was like three quarters of them the last quarter. I think um, I because I watched it once it was all out, but um yeah, the show's incredible. um Another animated show that I'm not really into, Rick and Morty have been renewed for two more seasons on Adult Swim. I'm gonna be bringing it through to season 12, and it's gonna be coming out season eight slated to come out in 2025. Season 10 makes it, so this series is gonna be coming out until at least 2029, so. um So. Another show, I'll make a huge thank you. That's insane.
01:31:48
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Yeah. That's insane though. They agreed like seasons 11 and 12, which season 8 hasn't even come out. Yeah. Like that's insane. Yeah, yeah but it's so successful for them. It's the most successful thing yeah that they have right now. I assume it's not expensive to make, so. Right, it's not, yeah.
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um wolfman we're gonna talk about that in a little bit but um it's officially rated r for violent content and grizzly images we'll talk about about that in a minute but that's the new uh bloom house uh wolfman movie um scholary brothers uh scholary brothers from ghostbusters 2 um there's a ghostbusters game called so ghostbuster spirit unleashed i've never played it I have it, I believe. I never played it. But um they're going to bring in the Scholary brothers from the Ghostbusters 2 into that. I'm not not sure anything else else about that other than I do love that part of that movie. so
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yeah yeah um got The Gone of War TV series on Amazon, which for some reason I forgot about. um I'm interested in it, but everybody from the series has left. um And they're going to be starting the whole production from scratch. um The showrunner, the producers all left and departed the project.
01:32:58
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And bring a new people so it's gonna be the latest I didn't even notice on Amazon i I remember hearing something about it, but I think we may have even talked about it, but I'm excited to see something for that um speaking of Franchises Lord of the Rings we talked about there being in the hunt for Gollum movie um and they want to have Gandalf being a big part of that movie, but they also want to include him in potential sequels and For two other live action films so they're thinking maybe of doing they're gonna be doing a Gandalf origin or something after or another side quest of Gandalf during this time or right before the Lord of the Rings or something I'm not sure but
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And McAllen wants to play play that role, so they're playing around with it to see what they can do. He wants to keep continuing playing Gandalf. The way Gandalf is, he's got the big gray beard. And McAllen can play that role as long as he can still walk and do movement. He can still play that role as long as he in long as he can walk. so um I saw this I wanted to tell you about it because I know you like to collect a digital I mean you like to collect discs, but um Interstellar releasing a 4k ultra yeah limited edition exclusive set with a whole bunch of collectibles Looks like three discs coming out on 4k blu-ray Pretty cool stuff comes out with ah three hours of special features five posters
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ah replica patches, costume patches, and reprinted storyboards boards from Christopher Nolan's archives, going out on December 10th in a collector's edition 10th anniversary set. Looks really cool. I like it.
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and just go um Empire Magazine released a few more pictures from Skeleton Crew. We got a new depiction of, of course, Jude Law, the Jedi, and this Goonies-like setting and and on a planet who knows what's going on in this TV series. We also get a depiction of a new robot, SM-33, voiced by Nick Frost. If you like Shaun of the Dead and Hot Fuzz, he is the sidekick to Simon Pegg, but Nick Frost, so I love him. so
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Yeah, we'll see how that plays out. um Getting into the comic book news of the week, ah Venom the Last Dance director Kelly Marshall says, Null is not a one and done villain, and hints to that God is coming. um Quoting, as the fans know, there are many, many more symbiote stories, the universe is wide and rich, and one movie can never do justice to Null. um Saying, beyond this trilogy, there are more stories to explore, God is coming.
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Also saying, trust me, we know full well how important null is to the fans, so just as we laid out foundations for Venom, we hope we're doing the same for null. The king in black is way too powerful for one and done.
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This film introduces Knull, but it just touches to the beginnings of his story.
Venom and Spider-Man Updates
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Also talking about Rayce Ifines, who played a Lizard in Amazing Spider-Man, showed up in No Way Home and returning as the Lizard, and we've seen him in the trailers for this new Venom movie, and I was asked if he's playing Dr. Connors, a variant, and she said no, a new fun and an exciting character part of the story that I hope fans are excited for. so Um, speaking of Venom, so much Venom talk today, but I just love the character. Hot Toys releasing this awesome fucking figure. Speaking of Hot Toys earlier, Kevin.
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I've never seen a hot toys figure in looking like this. Looks very cool. Articulate, lots of head sculpts, lots of tendrils. It's just everything I love about Venom all in one. I'm not sure when this is coming out, but I'm going to keep an eye on it because i I may need a Venom to stand next to my other Venom in my she my in my collection. but um Tom Holland has read the script for Spider-Man 4, saying it's excellent but needs some work, the writers are working hard to do a good job, ah saying Zendaya and I sat down and read it together and we were at times were bouncing around the living room like it was a real movie worthy of the fans' respect. ah One of the things is that marvel with with Marvel your film is a small cog in a large machine and I think he's talking more about the
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Multiverse of it all um that machine has to keep running You have to make sure that you can fit into that timeline at the right time to benefit the bigger picture That's one of the challenges we're
DC Universe and Casting Talk
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facing. I believe this has something to do We've been talking about it for a while or spider-man 4 the rumor was it being grounded versus being another Multiversal story and I believe that I believe he's talking about trying to find the the best of the best of the two of that to get this movie out and running so I'm excited for that DC News of the week James Gunn had talked on social about what projects are officially in pre-production The only projects are in pre-production in live action He says our Supergirl and lanterns makes sense the two the TV shows that are being cast so
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Um, makes sense. Speaking of DC, Sebastian Stan is doing a lot of talking about the apprentice movie that came out this week, and asks what DC character he would like to play. And the one character he mentioned was, I always had a soft spot for that Riddler. What would you think if Matt Reese brought him in, or even James Gunn brought him in to play the Riddler in, uh, Batman? And then you would do a good job. You see him playing the Riddler. Well, obviously we're not gonna- Well, yeah, you're not gonna see him in Matt Reese.
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Although I could see him being inspired by that Riddler because he had all those fucking fans. I could see that and him being a more traditional version of that character. oh But I would like it for the DCU. Why not? Yeah, and why not? You're right. I like it. Like everything I've seen is Sebastian Sandin. He's fantastic.
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um a to trailingory he was awesome yeah yeah which i want to see the trailer for the apprentice looks horrible him playing donald trump oh yeah remind me that i need to watch fresh because i have not seen it yet you told me how good it was fucking fantastic Remind me to add a few notes or you can add it. Yeah, yeah, I need to watch that. That'd be a good one. That'd be a good one to wrap up Halloween too. We do Friday. thirteen Let's do that on that. Let's do that next week. Good idea. Great idea. um Brand new figure. McFarlane Toys coming out with a spiderman Spider Spider-Man Superman, the movie character.
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Depicted as ah of Christopher Reeves, of course Yep, fully fully articulated Coming out as a collector edition pre-order launches on the yesterday as we record um speaking of Superman da da da first glimpse of crypto super dog um this was posted by James Gunn earlier in the week with a Superman David corn sweat and crypto and talking about the story of crypto and it's based off of his true life story of him finding a rescue dog and crypto is going to be Superman's rescue dog. and we know We already know we talked about we talked about Guardians that James Gunn is huge into pet rescues so makes perfect sense. At first what I thought is there'd be doing like a small bill type deal or remember there was the episode of small bill where Lexus people are are
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by experimenting on animals, I thought maybe he would be experimenting on this dog, and that's how the dog gets his powers and then Superman saves him. But then James Gunn did say that crypto is an alien dog, so the speak the race of the dog, so to speak, whatever the breed, I guess you would say, doesn't really matter, because he's just a fucking alien anyway, so. Yep. Yep. So I'm excited about that. and This is right. I have another picture right straight out of the comic books. This picture is so. Yep.
New Movie Trailers and Excitement
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What we got left? James Gunn, basically what you just said. New York Comic Con started today or yesterday, so we got a lot of previous stuff. Dune Prophecy, brand new trailer coming out next month, a month from yesterday actually, on HBO Max. Are you excited for this as you work for the movies? Dune Prophecy, I know it's set years before the first movie. I'm excited to watch something like, it's a first on it's a Max show.
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or hbo show so that makes me excited because i dont think i've ever seen a bad show on hbo um yeah second off it' just goingnna add to the lord to me half of the fun of the dude movies is the lo same with game of thrones i love the lo star wars i love the lo so yeah i'm excited like i'm not like dying to see it but like watching it every week's going to be a fun fun time Yeah, I'm kind of I'm kind of mixed on it. I'm not sure because I do like the movies, of course. I mean, they're really good. But um yeah, I do want to see June three. I want to see that more. I want to see this. But it's what we have. So yeah I'll watch. I'll definitely watch. It's free. It's on the max.
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This trailer came out today, Wolfman. Did you end up seeing it after I sent it to you? Nope, I'm staying away from trailers. Oh man, this looks good. Um, yeah, it looks really good. Um, blue, blue house. We talked about it. Um, looks really good. Um, more, more money Lee went all. Yep. Yeah. Uh, coming out January 17th of, uh, just a few months from now. So yeah, very, very excited for this. So we'll see.
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Um, Blumhouse announced a whole bunch of movies. Meghan 2, of course, Blackphone 2, Wolfman, Second Five Nights at Freddy's, which I haven't even seen the first one, but I heard it was horrible, but Blumhouse had a big huge presence there. Also a big huge presence were the, um, Creature your Commandos. They have the whole entire experience at Comic-Con right now, all weekend, where they have a whole, they have a whole, uh, thing set up with Belle Rave,
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With a with a if you look at the top of the picture on the left there on the left in the middle It's a barbed wire over there like a jail But you walk through there and you see prison cell with all the members of the creature commandos. I'm excited for this We haven't seen a trailer for you yet, which I'm hoping we'll see one this weekend when they I don't know we saw the t ander but yeah we'll get yeah There's gonna be some sort of a panel this week, and I don't know if it's tonight or tomorrow. I can't remember but Hopefully we'll see something soon. It's Saturday. It's tomorrow. It is okay and Also confirmation of the X mansion that we talked about last week coming out Looks really really cool and finally in news Marvel at New York Comic-Con has this new Merle
01:43:19
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Meryl. Meryl. Meryl. Yeah, that's it. At their at their panel. Meryl. Meryl. Meryl. And a lot of depictions from comic books and MCU with two great pictures and mixed in there. One of them being Red Hulk. But the one on the very far right there is Herbie, the robot from Fantastic Four. We're not sure who's doing the voice of it, ye but ah very first very first glimpse we have of the character in pi Fantastic Four. so I'm not sure if we're going to see anything at New York Comic Con. I haven't heard any rumors or trailers or panel news from there. but
01:43:57
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Um, yeah, well, that's it for news. That's it for the week. Um, coming up next week, we're going to start off with a game next week. we Want to play a game speaking of jigsaw, but we're going to be talking about the one hundred greatest horror movies of all time. Probably going to break down the top 10. I want to get your opinion on what you think the top 10 horror movies are, what they're going to put on this list done by variety that beginning earlier this month. Um, also going to talk about only murders in the building, uh, Agatha episode seven.
01:44:25
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penguin episode five shrinking episode three we're gonna be the big thing next week is we're gonna we're gonna finalize our crow talk and we're gonna be reviewing the crow graphic novel that Kevin has right there and we're gonna be talking all about that we're also gonna be talking about Friday the 13th part 6 Jason lives and the other movie that we just just talked about we're gonna talk about that what's that movie called again Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Getting Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. grave reviews Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. said it was setting during the dating game in the 70s where the murders rampage is happening behind the scenes Wild Robot came out on digital. I'd like to watch that this Fresh. week and review Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. Fresh. it for next week and Fresh. We are going to the movies to go see venom the last dance. We're putting it right down right now Kevin We're gonna see it. We're gonna review that next week Because I did a deep dive on venom today and I'm excited for it. No matter what the reviews say Sign me up. We're going
01:45:37
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We pulled off the band-aid we're gonna go it's usually something I would just hold off and wait and see what the reviews say But we're gonna go so hold us to it excellent um And then next month. We'll tease it a little bit next month. We're gonna get into basketball movies um we got into beat We got into football movies last month, so in the month of November, we're going to be getting into not only gladiator, but we're going to be getting into a lot of basketball movies. um and We had already talked about a few. We talked about, where are they? Hoosiers. He got a game in Above the Rim. That's the one with Tupac, I believe. We're going to talk about that. yep Also, i'm going we got the election coming up. A movie I've never seen. I know a lot of people love it. Idiocracy.
01:46:19
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You've never seen that. And I know you love office space. I know you love my judge, but I've never seen idiocracy, but we're going to watch that that week and gladiator a couple of weeks after that. So we got a busy month in November too, but not as busy as Halloween. you know Halloween movies are just everywhere. You know what idiocracy is responsible for? You can play this movie for this trend. Crocs.
01:46:40
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Okay. Crocs. The shoe. Okay. They needed a future they need a futuristic looking shoe for the movie. And these people had made up all these Crocs, but they couldn't find somebody to distribute or buy them. So Mike Judge, I believe he was for a time part owner of Crocs, but he basically did Kickstarter before Kickstarter.
01:46:59
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and basically just bought a shit ton of Crocs to give everyone to wear in this movie to look futuristic. Wow. Yeah. And we're, of course, going to be talking about Joker fully due in a couple of weeks, comes out next next Friday on digital, but we'll talk about that in a few weeks. But um thank you, everyone, for listening again. And we'll get back to you next week with a with a breakdown of the final cro thing we have about the Crow and everything else we're going to talk about for our last Halloween spooky week of the month. So thank you, everyone. We'll talk to you then. Deuces.
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