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Episode 13 - Weapons of Mass Distraction
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In the final episode of Twink Death's first season, the boys unload on Weapons (2025), Q gives a mystical field report from his recent trip to Stonehenge, and together they put the final nail in the coffin of the abysmal And Just Like That. Plus: the eternal question—Dave or James Franco?
Twink Death will return for Season 2 this Halloween.
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Transcript
Weather Comparisons: UK vs. US
00:00:36
Speaker
Welcome back Twinkies. It's actually the first time ah we've gotten to talk in a while. Vicky, how are you doing? Yeah, don't think we've spoke since we did the Sex and the City thing. um I'm doing good.
00:00:49
Speaker
It's very hot here in the UK. It's probably not compared to America. It's 27, I think, degrees. I don't know what that is in Fahrenheit. But it's there's no wind, so it's like extremely humid. So I've got my blinds closed. and I'm to look because I'm curious how much that is. Yeah, that's not that hot, but it's okay.
00:01:12
Speaker
You can complain about it. i i I love complaining about the weather. i have been to like ah been to New York in the summer, and it was horrible. So I have experienced like horrible heat before, but...
Travel Tales and Stonehenge Visit
00:01:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's usually awful, but weirdly, well, I was in the UK, spoiler alert for everyone. um and okay, so like today, our high is going to be what your you said the weather was for you. But for New York, that's considered like a nice summer day.
00:01:45
Speaker
Like for the high to be 27. To be fair I think for most people in the UK, 27 would be like a nice day. I just hate being hot. And then like our low tonight is 20. Oh yeah. See, guess it goes into the teens at nighttime here. So it's, it's rarely like over 20 at night.
00:02:07
Speaker
it is, I like constantly, I hate it. Well, 20 for us at night in August is like a miracle. Well, that's like not that hot. Yeah, that's like considered like a miracle evening for a New York night in the summer. oh that sounds awful.
00:02:25
Speaker
But you've got air conditioning and stuff, so that's fine. Yes, we have well, I have central AC, so yeah. It's not like... But a lot of people in New York don't, because it is a relatively cooler climate than the rest of the US, you know? Like, you cannot survive in like Arizona or whatever without AC. You will die.
00:02:46
Speaker
yeah I don't know. We've started getting like old people dying in like the summer here sometimes. Not like loads of old people, but like you'll get the occasional old person will just like melt.
00:03:00
Speaker
So I don't know. Yeah. Well, I have central AC, so I'm very comfortable. didn't, I'm sad. I didn't get to see you, but I didn't enjoy my, my trip over to your Island.
00:03:13
Speaker
Didn't you go at the same time as JD Vance? Yeah. I was in the same set of towns as the the exact same time. JD Vance was there. That's so funny. Yeah. But I didn't run into him or even see. Well, the only evidence I saw of possibly him was when I went to Stonehenge, there were um two private helicopters flying across like the fields.
00:03:37
Speaker
And I was like, how many people in the Cotswolds would be traveling by a private helicopter? But apparently kind of a lot, because apparently it's sort of like a rich vacation area. Yeah, that's crazy. You went to Stonehenge. Even I've never been to Stonehenge. I live here.
00:03:52
Speaker
You're like not that
Stonehenge and Historical Mysteries
00:03:53
Speaker
far from it. That's because it's like, but don't know. Isn't it just like some like big rock? I actually think you'd enjoy it. It was pretty like, um, the way they have it set up, you have to walk kind of a long way to get to it. Like maybe a mile.
00:04:10
Speaker
Um, so you walk through all this like really pretty farmland and these like woods and stuff. Um, I think they do that so that like, there's not just a shit ton of people like crowded around it at all times.
00:04:22
Speaker
Is that like fenced off or can you go touch them and stuff? No, you can't touch this. Apparently in the morning, if you get there early enough, there's like one tour group they take through the stones. You still can't touch them, but you can walk. Yeah. It used to be, um, it used to be just open and anyone could go there, but like all the hippies would go for like,
00:04:40
Speaker
summer solstice and stuff and have these like wild orgies and things in the field. So they, they ended up, I think they fenced it off or like closed off to people, but it's a shame really. I don't know. i wonder, i'd I do wonder where they came from.
00:04:57
Speaker
but don't think there's anything like mystical about it. I think,
00:05:03
Speaker
I mean, I think it's like kind of obvious it came from like a pre historic culture and they, we're interested in the solstices, but that doesn't mean, I mean, that sounds mystical, but that that could mean anything. I think the thing that people sort of like is mystifying to people is like the idea that they're like so heavy and like, how would they have like got them on top of each other and stuff like that in the olden days. But then like, I don't know, like people did be making like pyramids and shit. So it's, I mean, I don't know how old they are. I guess they're probably, are they older and than pyramids? I don't know.
00:05:38
Speaker
that they're close to some of the pyramid it depends on which pyramids you're talking about because I'm into like ancient astronaut shit like I like I like watch like uh ancient aliens stuff so I do know the ages of a lot of they're they're close to the age of some of the pyramids but there are pyramids older than them did you see like the the mountain guy with the penis or no no I don't know why that is I don't know whether that is in the cotswolds I feel like it's What's it called? Let me find it.
00:06:11
Speaker
The Cotswolds are like not that far from London. i didn't realize. They're basically like an hour, hour and a half outside of London. don't even know what this is called. Oh, the Kern Abbas Giant. Where is that?
00:06:23
Speaker
Oh, that's in Dorset. Did you go in near Dorset? I don't know. but like I barely understand. so You've had to draw so many maps for me to show where. like Look, it's like a giant chalk figure of like a naked man.
00:06:38
Speaker
And that's like, so obviously that's from an aerial view, but like he's got his like Willie out and he's holding a big club. It really creeps me out to be honest. I find it quite scary, but that's been there since like, I don't know, the 1600s or something.
00:06:54
Speaker
Wow. Your culture is so beautiful. okay Well, Stonehenge is thousands and thousands of years older than that. Stonehenge is like 5,000 years old. Oh, I didn't know it was that old. I thought it was maybe like, I don't know.
00:07:10
Speaker
500 or something. No, it's 5,000 years old. I don't even think of like people living in... I don't know. How how old are people? like Well, I guess people... Not like monkey people, like normal people. 100,000 years.
00:07:27
Speaker
That's crazy. We're so insignificant in the like grand scheme of things. as Yeah. like we became We reached behavioral modernity 100,000 ago.
00:07:38
Speaker
According to like modern science, of course, like all these schizo, there's tons of like schizo theories about all that stuff. But yeah, according to modern science, we reached, we were acting and had full human capacities a hundred thousand years ago.
Evolution and Agriculture Skepticism
00:07:54
Speaker
But what doesn't really make sense to me in this theory, if you want to hear my schizo belief, it's like for 90,000 years, we were just like basically acting like apes that could like wear clothes and stuff. But we did like, didn't discover like agriculture or anything for 90,000 years. That doesn't really make sense to me.
00:08:17
Speaker
Yeah. I don't know. And you couldn't like, I don't know, like, it's not like suddenly a hundred thousand years ago, like, We just woke up one day and we were like talking and making houses and shit.
00:08:28
Speaker
Yeah. It doesn't really make sense. Like how they, whenever they claim something, I'm like, I don't know, maybe
Neanderthal Ancestry Humour
00:08:35
Speaker
that's what I always say. Maybe, yeah you know, anyway, i always think if like a modern like person, I went back in time to like,
00:08:48
Speaker
caveman ages and like did it with a caveman would it make a person or no right and vicky you're so funny i mean it depends on what you're talking about because like neanderthals were diff were a different species but so they couldn't like cross <unk> no they did we did we did fuck with we did fuck and they fucked us Like you're a part Neanderthal. Like anyone who's um European or Asian is part Neanderthal.
00:09:23
Speaker
Oh, okay. Yeah. But you're not. But they were like, ah huh? Well, on you as well then. Yeah, yeah. americans ah Americans are technically European.
00:09:34
Speaker
Yes, white Americans are European. You don't have time long enough. You don't even have to go that far back. Like 200 years or something. Yeah. Our country's not very old. So we're like four, like maybe six or seven generations removed from being Europeans. There's like pubs in my hometown that are like 600 years old. Oh, I thought about that the whole time I was there because like we were like going to all these little towns, of course. Yeah.
00:10:04
Speaker
me and all the Asian tourists. And, um, it was like me and like 50 Chinese people, like every time. Anyway, um, like that, the houses there and stuff were like from the 12, like from 1200. And I was like, there was America didn't even exist. It wasn't even thought of, you know, wonder how old my house is that I live in.
00:10:26
Speaker
I'm going to look without doxing myself. Okay. Guess what year? My, the, the building I live in was built.
00:10:35
Speaker
1785. 1827. what's that, like 200 years? Yeah. But there's like, America existed then. There's lots of buildings in New York that are from like the 1800s. Okay.
00:10:48
Speaker
So, I mean, it's old, but it's not like, there's a building in my neighborhood. Again, I won't dox myself at all. That's from 1740. That's the oldest building in my neighborhood.
00:11:01
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Um, well, we're here to I guess we, i I, like,
Podcast Anniversary and Future Plans
00:11:07
Speaker
I really forget our episodes so much. Like I was looking at it and, um, this is our one year anniversary and this is our 10th episode, I think. No, no, no, no. 12th. It's our 12th.
00:11:20
Speaker
So we'll have done one episode a month. And, um, I think it's more like we did maybe some months where we did two and then somewhere we did none, but either way, like if you average it out, we've done about one so Yeah, and we're trying to up we're trying to up our game, guys. So we're going to try to we're goingnna try to either consistently release once a month, like not do two months and then take a whole month break.
00:11:44
Speaker
So either that or we're going to try to maybe bring you guys two episodes a month. so Yeah. Even if we record it like in one go sometimes and then split it. like i don't know Because we were saying like we wanted to do more like of the crime stuff and then Um, cause like talking about movies and TV shows is fun, but I think like, I liked the episodes where we've done like a criminal or like a book.
00:12:08
Speaker
Um, I agree. We're going to do more of that. Um, Bic, Bickey and I are both lazy girls. So I've not been reading like all for like months and months and months. Um,
00:12:19
Speaker
I don't know. I used to read like every night before I go to bed and I've gotten so lazy with it You know, it's changed to the game for me with
Reading Habits and Current Reads
00:12:27
Speaker
reading. I'm just going to be honest. And i don't really care if people hate me for this, but, um, just putting books on the Kindle app on my phone because my phone's always in my hand.
00:12:38
Speaker
And when I'm bored, i will, I will click over to the Kindle app. And sometimes I find myself reading for like, an hour, two hours, like on the Kindle app, you know?
00:12:49
Speaker
So i don't know, just putting the books on my phone has really upped the amount I'm reading. Cause I'm going to click to, I'm going to like have my phone out, right? I'm going to click to Twitter. I'm going to look at stuff, but then I'm like, my books are there too.
00:13:05
Speaker
Yeah. That's not a bad idea. I do like having a physical book, but like, I don't know. I'm trying to, I have been more disciplined like the past like week I've started reading a novel and I'm reading like I obviously take medication to sleep. So I like, I'll take my medication, which takes like 20 minutes to like kick in. So I'll like read for like 20 minutes and then go to sleep and it's like, that's fine. What novel are you reading?
00:13:28
Speaker
I'm reading, it's called Grotesque. It's, can't remember what the author's called. It's a Japanese crime novel, but um the author wrote another book called Out, which I was the last like,
00:13:41
Speaker
book that i read and was completely gripped by so i was like okay if i want to get back into reading i'll see if she has any other other books and like read it um but yeah it's about um these two like prostitutes that went to this elite boarding school in japan and they get murdered it's it's good cool that sounds cool yeah I'm reading this novel that's coming out um next year.
00:14:10
Speaker
guess I'm not really supposed to talk about it, but I don't think we have a big enough audience that anyone will care. um It's called Cruelty Free. Anyway, it's about these wellness influencers that discover that human collagen is works way better in skincare products than... um bovine collagen so they start killing they start killing people together okay that's an interesting concept yeah yeah i like it it's fun it's been fun to read it's like a little bit like ridiculous but it's very twink death coded as your i mean your book sounds very twink death coded as well too yeah i'll let you know if it's good and we can maybe maybe cover it it's quite long though but
00:14:53
Speaker
Yeah, this we'd have to wait for a long time because I don't even know how I would send you a copy of this. Maybe I could like set that on. don't
Mystery Film Screening Experience
00:15:00
Speaker
know. Whatever. We couldn't review it till it came out anyway. That's true. I don't know how you get hold of these things, but. yeah well you're you work at a bookstore. Or VIP.
00:15:12
Speaker
So they give you like, I mean, but basically every book that comes out besides like. ah stuff that's like really really going to be mass marketed if you work at a bookstore you can get an advanced copy it's not it's not very elite you know yeah speaking of stuff that's not come out i'm going to like a um they do this thing in the uk they probably it america too where you can go to like a mystery screening of a film that's not come out yet oh fun um so i'm going it's called like um It's called like Scream Unseen, where they show like a horror movie that's coming out in a couple of months. But you don't know what the movie is till you get there.
00:15:48
Speaker
um Nanny, who's a friend of the pod, he usually goes to them. And I thought they only did it in London, but they apparently do it here. So I'm going to one tonight. So that'll be interesting. I have no idea what it could be, though. There are none that I've had my eye on that I think are coming out.
00:16:03
Speaker
Well, this is a good segue to talk about one of the things we said we were going to talk about, which is weapons. Yes. So yeah so this can be a this can be a good segue. ah Do you want to give your like initial... like Do you just want to say whether you liked it or not?
00:16:20
Speaker
Yeah, I did like it. Did you hate it? um No, I liked it. I would say liked is a good word for it. Did I love it? i don't think I loved it. Did you love it?
00:16:31
Speaker
um I think I gave it like four stars on Letterboxd maybe. I should put it up my letterbox. Which is pretty high for me. um Yeah, I really enjoyed it when I was watching it.
00:16:43
Speaker
I liked it more than what's the other one he did? I forgot. know he... I had something to have my tongue and I'm like... No, he did like a big... The one with... It's got the scars guard that I like, the weird looking one.
00:17:00
Speaker
The clown. He's in it. He did barbarian. That's the word that I was looking for. Yeah, I liked it more than Barbarian, and I liked Barbarian. It was better
Film Review: 'Weapons' and Comparisons
00:17:10
Speaker
than Barbarian. It is interesting. like I'm looking at this guy's picture, Zachary Michael Kreger.
00:17:15
Speaker
There's like all these like yeah Ari Aster, Zachary my Michael Kreger, and the guy who did Nosferatu. um What the fuck is his name?
00:17:27
Speaker
They're all so young. they're Yeah, they are young. They're all they're all having like their first movies like ah madete like amazingly successful, and then they I know. It's just interesting. I'm just like, Eggers. Robert Eggers. Robert Eggers.
00:17:41
Speaker
He's 42. The guy who's did weapons is 44. And I think Ari Aster is not even 40 yet. I don't know. Anyway. Okay. Tell me more about your thoughts on the movie.
00:17:53
Speaker
um Yeah, i really liked it. i wasn't sure like, going in i'd seen the trailer i must have seen it about a million times it felt like every time went to the cinema the trailer for it was on me too i felt like i was i felt like i was over trailered with it to be honest i did feel like there was a lot of like hype around it um but no i really liked it i liked the i liked the way it was kind of like split into chapters and you kind of got to see things from um different characters' perspectives, but then like the the scenes would be kind of different each time you'd see the same scene. I thought that was interesting.
00:18:29
Speaker
Yeah, I thought all that all the acting was really good. um
00:18:38
Speaker
I found the main character very relatable. so the teach you go. Yeah. I mean, obviously like I'm not going to be doxy, but I've worked in sort of educations type things in my life. yeah um So I found, I found her,
00:18:56
Speaker
to be just relatable of like her loneliness and their like alcoholism um but also having this like very like wholesome job i found that vibe kind of relatable yeah and i think also the kind of um i don't know i think when you work around kids like if they're like having like problems do you you if you're like a naturally sort of caring person, you want to help them more than you should. And it's very easy to like overstep your boundaries with what she was like. And I kind of, I thought that was very realistic.
00:19:28
Speaker
Um, she's a very She's a rare, realistic depiction of someone working in education. Because, like, very often in movies, it's, like, ah it's either they're, like, depicted as, like, heroes or they're depicted as, like, total deviants. Like, you know, like, the movie's about an affair or something. Yeah. um But she's, like, a pretty accurate portrayal of, like, probably a good...
00:19:56
Speaker
teacher overall, a good person in education, but also someone who is like a human who like can slip up and stuff, you know? Yeah.
Julia Garner's Unique Roles
00:20:06
Speaker
So I liked her. I thought Julia Garner is a great actress, obviously.
00:20:11
Speaker
yeah She's kind of, she feels like she's sort of the, the kind of, She's one of the go-to actresses at the minute. I feel like she's in a lot of stuff. It's interesting too because she's not like she's not like crazy beautiful or anything. She looks like she could be like a real person.
00:20:28
Speaker
you yeah she's very she's got a very like normal face. um But no, she's good. trying think what else I've seen her that I like. She's that awful Rosemary's Baby prequel, which we won't talk about. I didn't like i didn't hate that.
00:20:42
Speaker
um She's also in Ozark. um i Oh, and she's in this movie called The Assistant, which is about like a Harvey Weinstein type thing. And I thought and thought she was really good in that.
00:20:55
Speaker
um She's good at playing depressed, beleaguered workers. Yeah. Which I'm, which I, which most people are confined relatable. So yeah, I mean,
'Weapons' Plot and Symbolism
00:21:05
Speaker
okay. Weapons I did. Okay. I'm going to but be honest that I knew the plot before I went in So no none of it was like surprising to me because I was, I was abroad when it was, um,
00:21:17
Speaker
Or maybe I wasn't abroad. I don't know. Whatever. i I couldn't see it right when it came out. And so many people were posting memes of the clown lady. And I finally just like gave in and was like, I want to know what the fuck this movie is about. So I went and looked.
00:21:30
Speaker
um So I wasn't like... so I don't think it would have made much of a difference in how I felt about it. But I wasn't like... surprised really um i did find it scary at times um like genuinely um and i liked the chapter element too there was a few moments where i thought were kind of stupid like the gun floating over the house moment do you remember that yeah i still don't really understand that like i don't get what the the like symbolic significance of that was
00:22:05
Speaker
I also just felt in a movie where you're going to pull the curtain back and like actually show what is going on which I like when they do that. I like when it's not just like shrouded in mystery, but if you're going to do that, you kind of have to give all of the lore. and like i don't We never really understood, like is this woman... i mean we get that she's some sort of witch, but like what does the tree do?
00:22:29
Speaker
How did she get the tree? yeah i Yeah, I guess.
Ineffective Jump Scares in 'Weapons'?
00:22:33
Speaker
I don't know. Stuff like that never really bothers me that much. I've had did the conversations with other people about this movie and they've said like similar things. like They wanted more lore behind the witch. That didn't really bother me too much. One of the things that did bother me about it was, um and I spoke to a couple of friends about this, was like there are a few like really cheap jump scares that don't land. and like Of the people that I've spoke to about they were like, oh, well, no, I thought that i think that was kind of intentional. that they and well It's like...
00:23:01
Speaker
I don't know. It felt like the director is like intelligent and enough to not lean on that kind of stuff. ah So maybe it was intentional that he has these sort of like bad jump scares that don't really work in it.
00:23:16
Speaker
But then I couldn't really like figure out what the reasoning behind that would be. So i was so it it still annoyed me. um Because I don't know. I don't mind ah a jump scare every once in a while. But like they have to at least land and they should be like,
00:23:31
Speaker
Safely glamour. I don't know. Yeah. um I agree. I also felt like there was some gratuitous violence that I did that i'd found kind of just
Violence and Character Dynamics in 'Weapons'
00:23:47
Speaker
unnecessary. like the gay like the gay guy smushed.
00:23:50
Speaker
I didn't like that. I didn't mind that. I i love gratuitous violence. I know. You like the close clown movies. oh I love the clown movies. um What are they called? We reviewed them on here. Terrifier. Terrifier. Yeah. um Yeah. I mean, whatever. It was fine. I mean, i I did think the whole concept of the kids running and all that stuff was pretty scary.
00:24:15
Speaker
um I liked at the end how you find out that they're all sort of like brain damaged from it and like it maybe we'll never fully recover, know? Yeah.
00:24:26
Speaker
yeah one of the things another thing that kind of annoyed me so like i mean we can we can do like a little bit of a rundown of the plot but like it kind of opens with um this narrator oh which is like a child um that you don't really meet but like there's a child narrator who like lives in this town and she's sort of it's it's the same narration that you hear in the trailer where she talks about like um how like one day the class didn't didn't show up to the class whatever.
00:24:54
Speaker
um And they all left in the middle of the night and they never came back. But then they do come back. And I'm like, why did she say that they don't come back when they do? I don't know. That annoyed me. Yeah. It also, yeah. Well, I liked the narrator. i also liked that like,
00:25:09
Speaker
I know that like a witch is not, you know, realistic, but I kind of liked that like what happened seemed like potentially, excuse me, um plausible in the sense that like maybe in a small enough town, something like this like could be um sort of covered up in the way it seems that it is, you know? i Everyone's calling her like evil chapel Roan.
00:25:33
Speaker
She's like ginger. Yeah. The witch lady. Yeah. yeah also just so The witch. So like, okay guys, the central plot line is this witch is like, uh, the witches, all these kids to run to her and she's going to use them to like maintain her youth. So it's basically hocus pocus, but if hocus pocus was actually really scary, um, that's the, that's the primary plot line. But I did, I did find her hairstyles funny. Like at one point she has like, kind of like, um, cornrows.
00:26:02
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:05
Speaker
So also thought it was realistic that those gay guys would be like, would let her this like kooky old lady. yeah I mean, I wouldn't personally, but, but yeah, I could, yeah, I could totally see that.
00:26:19
Speaker
um Yeah. Apparently like the dad's character was originally supposed to be played by Pedro Pascal. And then he dropped out and I'm like, Oh, thank God. One of the like letterbox reviews is like my favorite missing person in this movie was Pedro Pascal. And was like,
00:26:34
Speaker
Yes. I would never go watch this if he was in it. I've had full Pedro Pascal overload. Yeah. um So I would recommend it if you if you like The Leftovers. What's The Leftovers?
00:26:47
Speaker
That's that show about the people who disappear. i like shows about like Oh, is that that like Christian-y kind of one where it's like the rapture or something? Yeah, but I just, I like movies where it's like something happens and like you're watching people deal with trauma. Yeah. That's very interesting for a film. That's like what Hereditary is. You know what i mean? Like, or even that's what both Ari Aster's movies I like, Midsommar and Hereditary are about. It's like, what do you do with like unfathomable trauma? Yeah.
Realistic Flawed Characters in 'Weapons'
00:27:19
Speaker
And the characters, they were like, They were all like individually flawed, but sort of not unlikable at the same time, which I think is always kind of nice. Yeah, they were flawed in pretty realistic ways. Like Julia Cairner's character is an alcoholic and sort of Jezebel.
00:27:37
Speaker
yeah yeah The cop is sort of a like, you know trying to be a good guy, but falls. and I think he's an alcoholic as well, isn't he? Because he like, ends up drinking and that's when he sleeps with her.
00:27:52
Speaker
Yeah, she kind of ah a rare scene of a woman sort of manipulating a man and and into a sexual situation. um Yeah, I liked I liked I liked all of
Fear of AIDS and Urban Legends
00:28:04
Speaker
it. So the scariest part for me, and this is not even like horror related was there's a scene where um the cop is like chasing that homeless guy out of that building and he like chases him around the city and like sort of gets him on the ground.
00:28:19
Speaker
um And he's sort of in the process of arresting him. And he says like, oh, you've not got anything in your pocket, have you? And he's like, no, no, no. And then he puts his hand in his pocket and he's got a syringe in there and it goes in his hand. And it's like, oh, like anything with syringes, I'm just like, whoa.
00:28:34
Speaker
and well yeah it's also scary because it's like aids yeah that's why i find it like scary and like used needles to me it just but oh i always think about that living in a place where there is used needles in the park ive i mean i've seen them sometimes um i'm always terrified i'm like what if it like goes up through my shoes somehow you know when i was a kid i don't know they probably had this in america too but that that was like an urban legend that somebody would like put like syringes down the back of like the seats in the cinema so that we yeah got like needle.
00:29:07
Speaker
That was definitely, I mean, I bet the number of people who got AIDS from, pricking themselves accidentally on a needle in public is pretty small would be wrong probably. yeah um I know that like healthcare professionals at the beginning of the whole thing did get it that way, but probably just walking around the odds of you getting AIDS that way, it's not very, now not very high. um and I think it's everywhere constantly in peril.
00:29:37
Speaker
I know, i know. I scared you with my comment recently. yeah, Yeah. Okay. Let's move on to wrap the second half of, and just like that. like God, I think I said enough about weapons.
'And Just Like That' Finale Reactions
00:29:50
Speaker
Um, so we did, we did our early review of, and just like that, I think, right. We did like the first couple episodes.
00:29:56
Speaker
It wasn't even that long ago. it was a couple of weeks ago. I think that one, maybe it was right after they'd announced that they were, ah they were canceling it. Um, so really, yeah, I think there's only been like three episodes since then.
00:30:09
Speaker
It was already announced that it was canceled when we did the last one. Yeah. We talked about it Okay. So now this is just how they ended it basically. Yeah. Basically. Cause so we were kind of predicting like what they were going to do to end And like you were sort of saying that, um, like it would, it would be sort of a nice like moment if they ended up sort of like taking Carrie off to London to be with the book guy. And then we got to see Samantha one last time and the four of them together. And,
00:30:38
Speaker
um I don't know. I, we talked a little bit about, yeah, well you were wrong, but we we were both kind of wrong. Cause I think, I don't know. We did talk about how it was blatantly obvious from the statement that they put out that they didn't actually know that they were getting canceled, even though they've claimed that they did.
00:30:57
Speaker
And I feel like that's, that's even more obvious when you watch like the final two episodes. these are not the last two episodes ever of a TV show. There may be like a season finale, but like, there's no real, um, there's no real wrap up of like any of the storylines really.
00:31:17
Speaker
Um, I mean, they kind of just do these like super rushed wrap ups where it's like, okay, Seema's happy with this guy, uh, Miranda and her lesbian lover hug in the poop water.
00:31:32
Speaker
um, Carrie is going to be happy being alone. Charlotte and Harry get to have sex again. and then the other black lady that like literally no one cares about because her storyline is so boring. She's been making this documentary for four or 10 years or something.
00:31:50
Speaker
um She, she's not going to cheat on her husband. but Yeah. She decides she's not going to cheat on him with the heart assistant guy. ah Yeah. Yeah. But it didn't feel, it didn't feel,
00:32:03
Speaker
so it's a two parter, um, that had no business being a two parter because nothing majorly eventful happens that they need to stretch out over two episodes. But like, yeah, it's basically, um, it's Thanksgiving and originally, um, Miranda is supposed to have everybody around her apartment for Thanksgiving. And then everyone starts sort of canceling and making their own plans, which in, which in and of itself, like,
00:32:30
Speaker
Why would you have the last episode of a TV show and you have all of your characters separate from each other in different locations? It doesn't make any sense. Well, that's what's so funny about it. Cause at first I was like, okay, they're going to do Thanksgiving and they're all going to be together. And then I was like, that makes total sense for a finale episode. Yeah.
00:32:46
Speaker
I'm like, oh, set it on Christmas, set it on a holiday. Then they do the exact opposite of what my impulse would be. And it's like, everyone has a separate Thanksgiving. They do. um yeah. And Carrie ends up lumped with like,
00:33:00
Speaker
fucking that baby mama of like um brady's brady's baby mama and her like weird nightmare gay friends um one what was the what is she called apcot something yeah they were referring her to her as a he so i don't know whether we were supposed to think that that was a man i don't know it's They didn't even get into that. And then it was just like, yeah. And then Carrie is delivering all these pies to everyone, which at first you think it's like, oh, it's so sweet. Her life is like so full or whatever, but it's like, why?
00:33:37
Speaker
It actually is kind of sad. She's like a, basically like an Uber driver for all her friends. yeah You know what I mean? And I feel like they did the pie thing to get like, you know, assuming that like,
00:33:51
Speaker
they had this footage and they kind of jangled it together to get these last two episodes, which is my assumption. They had all this footage and they kind of had to like paste it together.
Disappointment in 'And Just Like That'
00:34:01
Speaker
i guess the pie thing was a way to get Carrie FaceTime with every single character for like a little bit.
00:34:07
Speaker
Yeah. That was so stupid. i don't know. And they really like they They literally ramped up the toilet humor. We have like actual poo on screen in this i know. It's ridiculous. like Like to end a glamorous show like Sex and the City with literal visible shit is disgusting. I cannot believe they put that on screen.
00:34:31
Speaker
i hate seeing shit on screen. I hate seeing shit. it's it's It's not funny. Like it's never a funny. Yeah. No. And I mean, to end such a glamorous show on that note is just, it's so sad and weird. Like but it feels so fitting for this spinoff. Cause it is just a pile of shit.
Future of 'And Just Like That'?
00:34:53
Speaker
Um, apparently, um, Sarah Jessica Parker has been like desperately shopping it around cause she doesn't want it to finish. She really wants it to continue on like another network. Um, but whether or not I should be successful in that venture, I don't know. But, um,
00:35:08
Speaker
But yeah, it seems pretty clear that they were taken aback by the cancellation of it. Yeah. i I don't know. I mean...
00:35:20
Speaker
Part of me wants Sarah Jessica Parker to win that battle and get something like, even if it's just like a just Carrie movie, let's say that's all it is. Like, it's like none of the other girls are there and it's just Carrie.
00:35:36
Speaker
Like part of me wants her to win that battle because like this being the end of Carrie Bradshaw, like such an iconic cultural force is just like so sad to me, you know? Yeah.
00:35:49
Speaker
I don't know. I almost feel like this is what they deserve for delivering such a pile of shit. I don't know, but like, um, it was funny cause when we recorded the last episode, you were sort of, we talked a little bit about like the movies and you were like, oh, you need to like go back and watch sex in city
Revisiting 'Sex and the City 2'
00:36:06
Speaker
too. So like after I finished watching and just like that, I thought, you know what, I'm going to watch it. And it's fucking hilarious. I enjoyed it so much. Like I couldn't believe all of that. Like, um,
00:36:19
Speaker
like bad tastes, like Muslim jokes that that were in that movie. it was insane. I know. i mean, when, when the second movie came out, I was like, at the time I was still in my like woke era.
00:36:31
Speaker
And I just remember thinking it was kind of stupid, but upon rewatch, I like fucking love that movie. yeah I think it was just, I think a lot of it was timing. Cause it was like, it was right after like the financial crisis, everyone's really poor. And then you've got these kinds of,
00:36:46
Speaker
crazy wealthy like people on private jets flying around to like Abu Dhabi and stuff but um yeah the the ah the jokes like especially the Muslim-y kind of stuff I can't even believe like now that they that they could get away with that because it doesn't I don't know when was it like 2009 or 10 or something like this yeah I was in college so it had to at least at least do that I don't know I feel it was kind of reassuring that like That wasn't that long ago and you were able to kind of make jokes like that. was sort like, okay, that's kind of comfy.
00:37:19
Speaker
Like there's literally like that scene where im Samantha is like on the floor in the sook and her bag's like spilled out and she's got condoms all over the floor and she's like waving them at all the men and she's like, yes, I have sex. I fuck.
00:37:33
Speaker
I was not howling. um And they like smuggled them to the airport in like burkas. It was, yeah, it was pretty hilarious. but Yeah, the other funny part of that movie that's so hilarious is when Samantha gets arrested for having sex on the beach and they're trying to get her out of jail in a Middle Eastern country. And Carrie starts talking about her drama with Big.
00:38:00
Speaker
And I'm like, your friend might be imprisoned for life. Like that's what we're dealing with right now. Like your friend could be like beheaded and you are like sitting there talking about big, but that's like such classic Carrie. I love that.
00:38:15
Speaker
Yeah. That was pretty true to the character. I don't know. She kind of like, I don't know. Those kind of elements of the character, I think like they kind of played down quite a lot in, and just like that, she doesn't seem quite as like, I don't want to say narcissistic, but like,
00:38:33
Speaker
self-obsessed. um And we kind of need that. like i feel like that's that's like an integral part of our character that you kind of need. Yeah, they didn't know what to do. i mean, i saw this article that was talking about how this show feels like punishment for like...
00:38:53
Speaker
the sins of like white
Cultural Shifts in 'And Just Like That'
00:38:55
Speaker
feminism. and I kind of do feel that way because like in the first series and in the movies, it was like, okay, it was sort of like peak white feminism, right? Like it was like, they literally sing, I am strong, hear me roar at the karaoke club. Like the whole thing was like, if you're a white woman,
00:39:15
Speaker
you can have it all. you can have You can be rich and have a great career and have a husband and have kids. Like, whatever you want, you can get it, babe. And then this show felt like they had... that Really, they just felt like they had to put the characters through this, like, humiliation.
00:39:32
Speaker
to like punish them for that somehow? like With like with like literal farts and shit. and fucking Yeah, and everything was just so humiliating. like Harry breaking her hip and all the toilet humor. and Yeah, it was just like really...
00:39:51
Speaker
I don't know. Like, it just was like really, yeah So. We didn't like it. we didn't like it. But I did feel like there truly was this element of like, like, I think they got a bunch of like Gen Z writers who were like, who saw these women as just like the pinnacle of privilege. And they were like, we're just going skewer just like, you know, they're just going to be roast roasted. Yeah.
00:40:18
Speaker
I didn't notice until I watched like a couple of videos, like talking about like the show, um after we talked about it and like, I didn't realize there was so many like retcons of like stuff from like the main show, like, um, fricking Brady and like Lily ah both like, they're both like aged them down, like significantly. Like they would be like twenties realistically, but they sort of have them as teenagers.
00:40:45
Speaker
Um, And then like they have the whole storyline of the one that nobody cares about the black lady that we all despise. Like her like father dies in this series. But then like in the first series, she mentions her father dying. And then like, oh you just like, there's no like attention to detail with that kind of stuff, which is just annoying.
00:41:03
Speaker
Apparently the girl who plays Lily is like nearly 30. So is that true? Like those two characters would be like far into their twenties. Yeah. Not like far into their twenties, but they'd be in their like early twenties and they're like,
00:41:17
Speaker
I think in the first series of Unjust Like That, Lily's supposed to be like 14 or 15, and Brady's supposed to be like, he's like just finishing high school and starting college. Right. Yeah, but that makes sense. Because like in the first movie, because she says she was married for 10 years, but that must have been where they changed it. Because in the first movie, Lily's like five or whatever. I think it's that same actress. Yeah.
00:41:45
Speaker
Oh, is it? I don't know. I mean, I always just assumed they kept the same. don't know. You can't just assume all Chinese people are the same. I guess that's true. and Anyway, we hated it and we don't have... It's bad. It was a bad, sad end for an iconic character and I'm glad it's over and I i don't know what I want to happen exactly, but like I said, i it would be nice if...
00:42:14
Speaker
there was some better ending, but I kind of just like, don't think we're gonna get that. Were you the one, did did we say this last time in ah an aunt when we were recording that like, did were you the one who said the Christmas special thing?
00:42:26
Speaker
oh that was my friend. That was my friend. Okay. My friend was saying this idea that I thought would have been cool. instead of doing this whole series of In Just Like That, and instead of doing more movies, they could have done like what some at what what some shows do, and like every once in a while do a Sex and the City Christmas special. So like you kind of still get to see the characters, like you get to see them together, but you're not trying to do too, too much with it.
Continuing 'Sex and the City' with Specials
00:42:56
Speaker
It's just sort of like, they're still alive, they're doing well. Yeah.
00:43:01
Speaker
they do that in the UK all the time with a lot of like British sitcoms um that are no longer on TV. They'll do like a Christmas special. They're usually pretty popular. and like i don't know They're never that great, but that they're usually in offense.
00:43:14
Speaker
That's what I would have liked to see besides this show. like It would be nice to to just have had a little check-in with them. Yeah. you know yeah But whatever. It's sad.
00:43:26
Speaker
is really sad. Is there anything else that you're like watching at the minute, like any shows or anything?
New Dexter Series and Actor's Appeal
00:43:32
Speaker
Um, I'm watching the new Dexter. have you watched the old Dexter or no?
00:43:38
Speaker
Yeah. ah So it's really funny that Dexter a show that somehow like they can just keep remaking. Although that guy is, I think he's so hot, the actor, but he's, losing he's losing it He's losing his, he must be pretty old now. I've never, I've never watched Dexter. I think I maybe have watched like one episode.
00:43:57
Speaker
Um, but I, one those shows where it seems like something I probably would like, but there's just so much of it that I'm sort of like, can I really be bothered to like get into it? I barely remember original Dexter, but they've tried revamping it twice. Now this is the second attempt at a revamp. yeah They did like a, didn't they do a prequel with like, and they did the prequel. They did two different revamps and a prequel.
00:44:22
Speaker
Um, so I'm watching that. I'm reading the book I mentioned earlier. Um, i that's about it. i want, I still want to go see freakier Friday and movie theaters. I'm excited that Lindsay Lohan's having her big like comeback moment. feel like I'll probably wait till streaming. Cause I feel like I'd be embarrassed to go and watch it on my own. I always go to the cinema on my own.
00:44:45
Speaker
Um, I just, I just support Lindsay Lohan having a career again. That's all. i agree. i saw, what did I see recently? I saw together. i quite kind of liked it.
00:44:57
Speaker
Um, watched that yet or no? Watch what?
Mixed Feelings on 'Together'
00:45:01
Speaker
Together. I don't know what that is. The one with them Franco. the franco oh oh oh you Oh, you liked that?
00:45:10
Speaker
I liked the movie. I don't really like him. but Oh yeah, we were going to have our Franco off. We're not having a Franco off. like of No, i i do i do honestly prefer James Franco. but the um Did you watch the movie or no?
00:45:25
Speaker
No, you could tell me about it though. Yeah. So it's basically, um it's about this um couple who the guy is kind of just like a lazy layabout of in his thirties, hasn't really been successful kind of musician type.
00:45:41
Speaker
And then the girl is a teacher and they're kind of at that point in where he's kind of going to sort of maybe give up on his dreams and sort of like pursue her career. So they moved to the countryside where she gets a job as a teacher.
00:45:57
Speaker
Um, and they go on a hike and they fall into this cave and there's this like water in the cave that like the guy drinks and it's like mystical water that sort of makes you kind of stick to your partner. So they, they kind of, they can't like physically be apart from each other. Their bodies are sort of like starting to kind of like stick together. Um, and yeah, I don't know. It's like, it was good though.
00:46:28
Speaker
His voice is so annoying. Like he has this, I don't know, it's not really like a lisp. It's sort of like a almost like a speech impediment, but just find his voice so irritating.
00:46:41
Speaker
um and But if if he had a normal voice, I would have given it like four stars, but I think he gave it like three. um But no, it's good. And it has like, it has like a good sort of kind of a like twist ending that i I did kind of see coming, but when you kind don't really mind and it's like, it's fine.
00:46:58
Speaker
it was It was worth going to watch. um But yeah, i those two are really weird as a couple because I always think of her as like way, way, way older. And I think she is older, but she's not like a ton older.
Franco Brothers: Appeal and Careers
00:47:11
Speaker
Yeah, sorry. There's some noise in my apartment right now. But yeah, I like them as a couple. And to be honest, like I i was a little bit ridiculous. Like James Franco is hotter than Dave Franco, obviously, you know? Yeah.
00:47:22
Speaker
he's he's it's kind of a dream he's such a loser in this movie though as well that i don't know i just think james franco is the type of guy i'd want to sleep with and dave franco has like the body i would want if i could like snap my fingers and have any body those are the that's that's the dip that's the difference like dave franco is like petite and has like you know yeah i get that i definitely i definitely view guys in the same through the same kind of lens. Like there are definitely guys that I find like attractive and guys that I want to look at, like look like, and they don't look anything like each other. They're always like, yeah, I realized my like defensive Dave Franco has nothing to do with like actually being physically attracted to him and more like just wishing I like was like a petite.
00:48:09
Speaker
James Franco has kind of like fallen off. I don't even know where he is. can't remember the last time I saw him in a movie. but He got like sort of canceled. My friend saw him at a jazz festival recently. Not like performing. Like he was literally just hanging out. That does sound like something he would do. Like be at a jazz festival.
00:48:30
Speaker
I hate jazz.
Future Podcast Plans and Teasers
00:48:32
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, we could probably wrap this up, but we're going to record with, you guys will have some things look forward to. We're going to do Nanny soon and we are going to do an actual twink serial killer soon. so Yeah. we did When did we do our last episode with Nanny? We did kind of, I think at the end of last year, we did sort of like a wrap up of our like best and worst movies. So we kind of want to do the same thing, but like halfway through this year. So we'll get him on at some point to do that. And yeah, I'm excited to hear about
00:49:03
Speaker
What was the serial killer's name? i don't remember. The what? The serial killer. What was his name? Let's leave them at suspense because don't remember. Okay. Because you don't remember. No, but yeah. Yeah, we've got some exciting ideas coming up. So I look forward to seeing you all soon.
00:49:21
Speaker
All right. Bye, everyone. Bye-bye. I love you.
00:49:32
Speaker
What?