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Episode 8.5: Boodizzum
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Following on from last week, the boys call an emergency gay summit meeting to pick apart the latest episode of HBO's The White Lotus, share their predictions for the final two episodes and, of course, discuss why a brotherly handy j is never okay. Stay tuned til the end for a special Biccy acapella performance of The White Lotus theme.
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Transcript
Introduction and White Lotus Theories
00:00:36
Speaker
All right, welcome back to Twink Death, everyone. hi guys. Vicky and I have been talking for like an hour, but the last recording got messed up. So take two. We're going to try again. We're going to try again.
00:00:48
Speaker
Hopefully we're not sick of each other at this point. Yeah. Yeah, we wanted to do a White Lotus um update episode because we's we've been having fun talking about all the theories um surrounding White Lotus. So we wanted to come back and like bring you guys sort of a an update episode.
00:01:10
Speaker
So let's just jump right into
Incest Storyline Controversy
00:01:13
Speaker
it. um Brother Incest, what are your thoughts on that?
00:01:19
Speaker
my God, that was not planned. um but that basically sums up my thoughts. Um, and no, I, we talked, i said this in the last recording, but like we talked a little bit about, um the kind of incest angle previously. And I sort of stressed that it wasn't something that really wanted to see on the show. And you'd kind of talked about how, like you kind of felt like he was going to like turn on his head or like do something different with it. And in that this episode,
00:01:50
Speaker
um He kind of leans into the incest stuff. um I actually think I did say on the first episode that I thought that if there was going to be incest, it would be more of a like a threesome with a woman. Yeah.
00:02:05
Speaker
or Or a lady boy. So that is sort of what happened. Yeah. It is sort what happened. I mean, I wouldn't describe her as a lady boy, but.
00:02:16
Speaker
Like, okay, are you titillated by this at all or just like totally grossed out? No, I'm i'm totally grossed out by it. Okay, yeah, a lot of gay Twitter is very titillated by it and I've been trying to like figure out what that's about because i I think it's a really disturbing scene. Yeah, I think, I don't know, I think a lot of it is to do with the, I don't, I was going to say a lot of it is to do with the actors that they've cast to play the two brothers But I think that's almost giving
Social Media Awareness in TV Shows
00:02:47
Speaker
gays too much credit. I think there is a kind of perverted element to it that that they find sexy. I don't know. um Because you see that you see this kind of like family dick stuff a lot in porn and things. So I do think that gays are not all gays, but there are a lot gays who are sort predisposed to this kind of titillation.
00:03:08
Speaker
But um I will say that I think the way that it was handled in the show was more tasteful than say like Ryan Murphy, for example.
00:03:21
Speaker
But, and but yeah, no, I don't find it tilling. I do find it gross, but I liked that they presented as pretty gross in the show. Yeah. I mean, when we did the Menendez brothers, Ryan Murphy definitely did like the gay brother incest to, to titillate. There's no doubt in my mind. That's what like the,
Family Dynamics and Privilege
00:03:39
Speaker
yeah.
00:03:40
Speaker
I do think that the, The fact that he's kind of leaned into this as like an element of this season, though, it does kind of cement the the idea that he's like very much in tune with like what's going on on Twitter. Because this stuff, I feel like the incest-y stuff is like everywhere at the minute. And he definitely seems like tuned into that.
00:04:04
Speaker
Well, and he's been sort of leading up to it, if you think about it, because, like, I mean, in the second season, there was the whole nephew and uncle thing. They didn't turn out to actually be nephews and uncles.
00:04:15
Speaker
But, you know, there was, like, the line, like, you fuck your uncle. yeah, yeah. It was, like, it was always insinuated, even if it wasn't true. Right. And then in the first season... Not quite, but there was like a little bit of like, well, and in the second season, the dad and the son do fuck the same prostitute.
00:04:35
Speaker
That does. Yeah. um And then and even in the first season, there's a little bit of like, the way the dad and the son are sort of depicted in the first season. It's like, you know, they're talking about like a sex a lot and I don't know. It's like, I think Mike White, like I'm just speculating here, but he he's the son of a dad who came out late in life as gay.
00:04:58
Speaker
um and he's he's said in interviews that like when him and his when his dad came out and he started relating to him as a gay man, there was like this kind of new element of his dad sort of being like a little pervy, you know? Yeah. I could not even fathom what that would be like. I'm so glad I don't have a gay dad. Like no offense to any gay dads out there, but like, Oh, I don't, I just find this so great. I, even when there's like two brothers that are gay, both gay or like, I don't know. I don't have, I have siblings, but none of them are gay, but like,
00:05:37
Speaker
I don't know. like Nobody likes to think of the parents like having sex, but like to think of your parents having gay sex, it's like, ugh. It's disgusting. Do you think that this is like realistic at all?
Realism of Character Behavior
00:05:51
Speaker
um The brothers, like this happening with the brothers? Because I've been sort of wrestling with that. like Is this even a realistic situation? um I don't know because I don't i don't necessarily find the The younger character, what's his name? Lachlan.
00:06:10
Speaker
I don't find him realistic in general in terms of like the way that he behaves, but do, there are definitely guys like Saxon. um So I don't know whether this kind of scenario would happen in real life. It's kind tough to say.
00:06:23
Speaker
I guess I just like can't imagine even in like my horniest, I mean, I have sisters, but like the club my closest siblings in age to me are my sisters so i guess it's like i don't really know what it would be like to have a brother closest and closest in age to you but it's just really hard to imagine like even in my horniest like young gay days that like there would ever cross my mind to do something with a sibling yeah i i do have a brother that's close in age and the
00:06:55
Speaker
ah but just even thinking about him being naked is just disgusting to me and he's not like a he's not like a bad looking guy but he's my brother it's like it's fucking i don't know it's just was your family even like a nudity family like no not really i mean my my dad has never been like shy about being nude but he wouldn't just like wander around the house naked he wouldn't make a big deal out of it if you like walked in he was changing but he was never like we We're not a family that walk around the house with no clothes on.
Character Relationships and Histories
00:07:28
Speaker
like
00:07:28
Speaker
that's just That's not a very British thing anyway. like people I mean, I don't even get changed in front of the cat. so
00:07:36
Speaker
I mean, my friend and i were laughing today about how she has this friend who always kisses her parents on the lips still ah as an ah as an adult. And... um we were like laughing so hard about like how weird that is and how often they they talk about like how strange that family is. Cause we were like, I feel like anything past five is a little weird. and Yeah. I don't know. The only person I carried on kissing on the lips, like into adulthood was my grandma and even her, I wouldn't do that anymore. Mine too until my grandma died, but it was more like that my grandma sort of insisted on kissing everyone.
00:08:18
Speaker
Yeah. And i she always had a bit of a mustache. So get a bit of a static electric shock. And I was just, it was never a good, never a good thing. Yeah. um But now I love mustaches. So maybe that's where it came from.
00:08:32
Speaker
So that's where it happens. That's the gay incest plot
Future Character Consequences
00:08:35
Speaker
line. Do you think like, what do you think the like ultimate consequences of this are going to be? Because like, I can't imagine that you would go through an experience like that and have any sort of like,
00:08:45
Speaker
potential of having a normal sibling relationship with your sibling ever again um but like i also could see and i'm like curious i don't i don't know if white lotus really is the type of show that would go there but i could see saxon being like so repulsed and enraged that he like does something violent to lachlan like i don't know yeah maybe i hadn't really considered that what i had considered was um So the other kind of plot line of the episode is that the sister Piper, her parents have decided that they want to go and visit the um monastery where she's considering spending a year.
00:09:25
Speaker
And Parker Posey's character, um who is not very keen on the idea, like she comes up with the plan that um if Piper stays overnight in this place that she sort deems a shithole, then then she'll be okay with her staying.
00:09:42
Speaker
And it's kind of like a plan to sort of see whether she can last the night in this dump. And Lachlan, in an attempt to sort of distance himself from his brother, he sort of says that he'll stay overnight with her.
00:09:55
Speaker
I could kind of see a scenario where the sister decides that she doesn't want to stay there and the brother decides that he does. i don't know. i don't feel i don't feel like we're going to end the season with this family like together. I feel like they're all going to go...
00:10:12
Speaker
in all different directions, whether some of them don't make it to the end of the season, I don't know. But like, um ah definitely can't see them all sort of like reconciling again as a group.
00:10:24
Speaker
Well, I kind of have a prediction about that because I think on the white Lotus, like wealthy characters rarely ever experience any sort of comeuppance. And there was this one moment where Parker Posey's character goes, you're not going to lose everything.
00:10:37
Speaker
and kind of seem to be like knowing in a way. And I kind of wonder if she knows about something to do with his financial crimes and has either done something to insulate him from that or has,
00:10:54
Speaker
has um like, like she could have this, like, I mean, I was thinking about this character and like who she is and like, it's possible that she has some sort of like family money stashed away. Yeah. Like their lifestyle doesn't really have to change no matter what happens, you know?
00:11:13
Speaker
And I'm just wondering if she like, has something, I wonder if she's more aware and like has a plan more than we realize that's something I'm like speculating on.
Financial Safety Nets in Plot
00:11:25
Speaker
Cause that's the thing with the, with the family. Like we, we have a pretty good idea of who they are as characters now, but we don't really know who they used to be. So you like, but I would kind of get the impression that she was from some kind of old money family. I don't get the impression that she was poor at any point. No, i think she's like a lifelong wealthy person and he definitely is. Cause we know that his father was the governor of North Carolina. So like, I think these people are like, I think that, yeah, somehow I think that he's, they're going to be insulated from like real financial ruin.
00:12:00
Speaker
I also think like Piper's whole plan depends on the family having money in a way. How do you mean? Well, I understand that like staying at the monastery is free and you like work, you know, you like work to like for your keep or whatever.
00:12:15
Speaker
but like, I, the truth is, is like when you come back from, from a year like that, like you don't have any money, you don't have anything. Like she's going to need like, you know, financial support to like, she doesn't have, she's not like, she doesn't seem like she has like, you know, has been working a job where she's like saved all this money. Yeah. Yeah.
00:12:36
Speaker
Like, I feel like at the end of that year,
Cultural Norms and Personal Reactions
00:12:38
Speaker
you need someone to help fund you getting back on your feet in America. So it's like her plan kind of like is still, it's still something like a rich girl would do. Yeah. She even kind of, even when she has that conversation with the monk guy, it it the, what's his name?
00:12:57
Speaker
What's the word they use for this? Like not shaman. What are they called? The guru guy. Guru. um even when you You kind of even get that impression from the conversation that she has with the guru um when she's kind of asking if he'll speak with her parents and she sort of talks about how like um she's an adult and she can make her own decisions, but they could make it very difficult for her to be able to do this. And um and that sort of difficulty definitely implies so that she'd be reliant on them financially. so Yeah, I guess let's like, since we talked about the guru, that's how she says
00:13:33
Speaker
she's since sensation Since we talked about the guru, let's um let's talk about like his conversation with the dad. i actually really liked the actor playing the guru. Yeah, he was very charming. Yeah, I thought he was very well cast.
00:13:47
Speaker
It's like the first app that's like the first time in my life ever where I'm like, maybe there's like something to this Buddhism stuff. um Because he did seem really like relaxed and like peaceful. ah Obviously what he says to the dad seems like sort of like the worst thing to say to him at that moment. Death is a release.
00:14:04
Speaker
ah death is a release Um, but the dad seems like genuinely kind of moved by this conversation. And I guess like one thing that Mike White always kind of has is like, at least in the first season, son, know, up, um, having sort of a spiritual awakening. Like this, the, the son who like ends up hanging out with the canoe guys and losing his phone and all that. Yeah.
00:14:32
Speaker
And the second season, um I don't know that anyone has spiritual awakening exactly, but like Tanya's assistant certainly like,
00:14:48
Speaker
survives a lot and i and i and i think has sort of like a more mature outlook on life and i'm wondering like which character is going to be that character for this season and i think it's people within the ratliff family are like the most likely to have something like that and i'm kind of like it's either the dad or saxon i think yeah to have like a real break some sort of breakthrough yeah i will say one of the things i found like um So the other kind of plot point that kind of feeds into them was like, that kind of got resolved in this episode was like the missing gun.
Walter Goggins' Character Theories
00:15:24
Speaker
So obviously the dad had like taken the security guy's gun. Um, and we get like within sort of the first half of the episode, we get that like fake out scene where
00:15:35
Speaker
He like shoots himself, but it it turns out he was just imagining it. And then there was another one like later after she he's had the conversation with his wife where like she's talking about how she could never be poor again.
00:15:47
Speaker
um You got like another like fake out scene where he kills his wife and then kills himself. And then i thought it was i thought it was weird that they like put that scene there when the...
00:16:00
Speaker
the gun had already been retrieved by the security guard. So we knew that that was just like a vision and not real. I mean, I know that those like kind of fake out scenes, they're usually like reasonably obvious, but I just felt like that was just a weird editing choice. Well, I i actually thought it was like a little bit cheap, the fake out scene, because for like a second at the beginning, I thought that that was really what happened.
00:16:24
Speaker
And I was like, okay, like we're hitting like, we're going to hit level 12. Like, yeah, I almost, well I almost would have respected him more if he'd like had the balls to just do that at the beginning of like an episode when you've still got like three episodes to go.
00:16:40
Speaker
um think I think very like game of Thrones, which like wasn't scared of like killing off. It's like, you know, favorite, um, um characters. So i don't know. I, yeah, I found it I just, I found it like kind of annoying.
00:16:56
Speaker
um And I do think it would have been super brave to just have the dad kill himself. And then the whole rest of the season is like the family just sort of like fending with like what they have to go through and Saxon and Lachlan's shit having to get totally put to the side because they have to just deal with this like horror of realizing that they're both broke and you know and then i was like oh and then something could have happened interestingly where like even though the money's frozen like he has some crazy life insurance policy and like you know what i mean like yeah the way his sacrifice like sort of allows the family to
Character Motivation and Outcomes
00:17:33
Speaker
live on but anyway he didn't go that route do you want to talk a little bit about the um
00:17:38
Speaker
The Walter Goggins plotline and where that might be going. Yeah, should we this is the one we were talking about before the recording got messed up. So I'm kind of bored with the Ratliffs. But yeah, but what did why don't start us off?
00:17:51
Speaker
Just exhaling my vape. Yeah, so in the previous episode, obviously, Walter Goggins, he's gone to Bangkok. um And we know that he's got some kind of plan in place to...
00:18:03
Speaker
meet with the guy who is responsible for the death of his dad. And we don't know whether he's going to kill him or not, but he sort of enlists the help of his auto-gynefile pal, played by Magamum's husband. um And, yeah, so he's he he meets up with the the owner of the hotel. Is she the actress lady?
00:18:30
Speaker
can't remember what her name is. Sreetala. yeah the old thai lady he like meets up with her under the under the um ospies of uh being like a meeting with like a film director for her to like be cast in a movie the the thing that i found really interesting about that scene was like he was so bad at selling it that if i was her i would never have bought it but she kind of i don't know because so he doesn't bring his friend to their initial meeting he he basically says to her, like, he really wants to meet you, but he wants to see sort of see you in your element. and So the director thought it would be a good idea to like meet you at your house.
00:19:07
Speaker
And she, cause he obviously knows that she lives with the guy who's responsible for killing his dad. And I just, I just wasn't buying what he was selling and I couldn't believe that she would. and I thought like,
00:19:20
Speaker
I don't know. I thought he'd be a little... I don't know whether it was the way that it was written, but I just didn't find him very convincing in that scene. as like Right. And on top on top of that, it's like, you know, she's like someone who is a, I mean, like this is very like upper class tie, but she's clearly someone who's like so involved in sort of like corrupt situations that she walks around with a full security detail.
00:19:44
Speaker
Yeah, literally. No, I don't, I don't foresee her as being someone who would like easily let a stranger come to her, like fortress compound. That's like on a river and like very, very difficult to like, to like get to. um I could definitely foresee her dying maybe in the next episode and not the guy that he's like gone there maybe with the intention of killing.
Evolution of Relationships
00:20:11
Speaker
Um, I mean, I, we don't, we don't actually see the, the guy and we sort of hear him and she like at the end of the episode, they arrive at their like mansion.
00:20:22
Speaker
Um, and she has like, I show something like, Oh, here's my husband. And then it's sort of, that's like the final scene of the episode. Um, Yeah, i don't I don't really know what's going to sort of transpire there, but I could definitely see her being the one who doesn't come out of it.
00:20:37
Speaker
Yeah. I don't think he's going to kill anyone, as my guess. I don't think that's where the killing is going to happen, if it happens at all. i hope not. I think that, like, he's going to... Yeah, I think he's going to, like, kind of whiff it at the last moment.
00:20:53
Speaker
um One thing I think is funny that's, like, a super, super minor plotline, but I don't think anyone's going to, like, this sad, gay... manager's song performance no i don't think that either that's gonna be like something like a minor scene that happens next episode like yeah ah they um kind of going to the belinda character i guess for a moment so um in this episode she's slept with the massage guy they like wake up in bed together and her like son arrives and like walks in on them in bed
00:21:28
Speaker
And does not react how I would react if I walked in on my parents in bed with a stranger. um But like, I don't know. Like, do you think that she likes this guy Because I kind of felt like she got the ick after they'd had sex.
00:21:44
Speaker
um I don't think she got the ick. I think she's just like wary of anyone who brings up this fucking wellness. Yeah. So for context, like... um they're They're like, I don't know whether dinner or breakfast or something, but yeah, he brings up how, and because she had this plan with Tanya, who's obviously now deceased, that she was going to open her own spa. And he sort of this basically says that that they could do that together and that would be a lot easier in Thailand, and which is a very like serious thing.
00:22:18
Speaker
proposition to make first with somebody that you've like only slept with once. Yeah, that you've known for five days. kind of came out of left field for me as well, because I kind of, before they slept together, i kind of got the impression that she really liked him and he wasn't like super interested in her.
00:22:33
Speaker
um But it kind of seems like, i don't know, maybe the tables are reversed. We'll see. But I thought her and her son's relationship was
Belinda's Character Arc
00:22:41
Speaker
sweet. I did. Yeah, it was cute. And I liked, i liked the way that he reacted to his mom. Like,
00:22:48
Speaker
getting some action. I thought that was very sweet. Yeah. Um, and yeah, I, I do think it's, I guess I'm just like, sort of like bewildered at why,
00:23:01
Speaker
what exactly would make Belinda go to Greg Gary's house? I'm not, I'm not sure what's like, I mean, I guess it's like, could just be like sheer curiosity or she could be scared if she doesn't go, something bad will happen. I just don't know what her motivations would be like to go ahead and go, but I guess now she does have her son with her. So she wouldn't be going alone. No, that's true. I just couldn't imagine bringing my child into a situation with like someone who's like a potential murderer and a country that's,
00:23:30
Speaker
not, you know, that's sort of ah chaotic, and not very like law abiding country, you know? Yeah. So, yeah. So basically what happens is like Greg Gary, like approaches her while she's like walking through the resort.
00:23:45
Speaker
Um, and he invites her to a dinner party that he's throwing, which kind of feeds into the like Lachlan story. And like, you were the other sort storylines, he's, he's got this like dinner planned and we don't really know what he's planning. Um,
00:23:58
Speaker
But she she rejects his invitation because her son is here. She says like, oh no, my son's here, blah, blah, blah. And he's like, oh no, you should bring your son. and And she's she still kind of rejects him. And then he just sort of says, I think that we should talk, which seems very like ominous.
00:24:14
Speaker
um But I don't know. i i don't think that his intention is to kill her. I think that so that is way too obvious. I don't really know where they're going to go with it. But yeah, I am interested to see sort of what kind of proposal he has for her.
00:24:30
Speaker
Um, cause I, I think it feels like we're being led to believe that he's very dangerous and in previous seasons, he's only ever really been dangerous by proxy. Like he didn't, he didn't, um, kill Tanya himself. He like sort hired the gays to do it.
00:24:44
Speaker
but and But he knows like very sinister people clearly. Yeah, that's true. But it's Thailand. Everyone's a bit sinister. Yeah. I am wondering, though, this is going to be a throwback to last season, but remember when...
00:25:00
Speaker
Tanya sleeps with the like Italian stud guy. Yeah. In the background, there's a video camera.
00:25:11
Speaker
It's like flashing. And a lot of people were like, Oh, is that going to come back somehow? Um, and I kind of think that like Greg Gary does have a tape of what happened on the boat.
00:25:26
Speaker
You mean with the gays? I mean, not the gays, the brothers, the Ratcliffe's. Yeah. yeah i think Yeah, I think so too. i think it I think it would be dumb to believe that you would have a boat that expensive and not have like CCTV cameras on that anyway.
00:25:38
Speaker
um So I think he has like a lot of collateral, and I think there's a chance that like Saxon's parents like actually become aware of what happened. God.
00:25:51
Speaker
I'm trying to imagine Parker Posey's face in that scenario. Like, ugh! ah I'm doing a face. Yeah. So we'll see. um Yeah. We'll see what happens with that. i guess we should go to like the old, the cougar friends, the cougar, the cougar tribe.
00:26:09
Speaker
yeah. Yeah, I mean, i thought that was all pretty realistic. Like, I thought Magamom definitely would spill the beans on Valentin and Jacqueline in that, like, careless way.
00:26:24
Speaker
and i Jacqueline would definitely deny it And Lori would definitely, like, try to aggressively get her to confess. I mean, all of that felt very, like, obviously that's how that group of friends would react to that, you know? Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:40
Speaker
What do you think is going to be sort of like the end game for the group of friends? Like, well, they're going to this fight tonight. Have you seen the preview for the second episode? Like the trailer for because I haven't even seen that. I haven't, but they do agree at the end of the, like at the very end of this episode, they agree that they're going to go to that guy's fight tonight. Like the wrestling fight. Yeah.
00:27:00
Speaker
Yeah. um And so obviously that's going to be something weird is going to happen there because Valentin's going to be there. The Russian guys are going to be there. They're going to be there.
00:27:11
Speaker
Everyone's going to be drinking again. Lori's already drunk, you know, she's already been drinking all day. So I don't know that. I don't know what the end game is. I mean, I definitely think their end game is probably one of two things. Either like we see a real permanent break in the friendship or they find some way to like smooth everything over and keep this facade up that they're like, actually like very loving and like good friends to each other. Yeah.
00:27:40
Speaker
um The other, the other thread. Oh, this is something that i wanted to ask you about actually. um So this kind of relates to the, the security guard guy, um, who has the sort of, um, and seemingly unrequited, like love for the, um, black pink girl who works at the resort.
Theme of Transformation
00:28:00
Speaker
Um, we talked like a little bit about them in the last episode. And I mentioned that, like, I couldn't see why she wasn't interested in him because he's so cute. And you said like, Oh, I know why. and then you didn't elaborate on it. And I was like, what does he mean by that? And I've been thinking about it since, cause I listened back to the episode.
00:28:16
Speaker
and ah I was like, what does he mean by that? Why wouldn't she like him? um I think because he's like a really sweet guy, but like he's kind of making sort of like, like I think women want to feel pursued, which he is doing, but it's almost like such a passive pursuit and i think that I just have a feeling that she's like something's going on with her and the bodyguards and she's like she's like into sort of like a more bad boy type of guy i kind of I do kind of feel the same way that like he maybe isn't necessarily the kind of guy that she would go for because he he does have that kind of like passive element to him
00:29:04
Speaker
But i'm with the whole theme of the um this current series of the show being kind of sort of like a kind of death, rebirth, um Eastern religion-y type thing, like I wonder whether he's going to sort of and go through a sort of transformation into the kind of guy that she would find attractive because it feels like they're kind of hinting at that. So like in this episode, he gets the gun back from the Radcliffe family,
00:29:32
Speaker
And then he goes to the the shooting range with the other security guy who like is going to like teach him how to shoot. And he's like immediately good at shooting. He's like really good. And I sort of like, maybe he's got it in him to like be the kind of guy that she would want. And I don't know. I can't, maybe I'm just like hopefully wanting that for them, but.
00:29:51
Speaker
but but He also could have a rougher past than we know. Like military service is mandatory in Thailand. So he definitely spent two years in the military. So it's also possible that there's just like more to Guy Talk than, you know, meets the... That's his name, Guy Talk.
00:30:06
Speaker
That's his name. That's so cute. But like, I am nervous for Guy Talk because I'm just like, too many things are going right for Guy Talk right now. Like... getting the gun back and like being good at the shooting. And I'm kind of like, Oh no, like, I just don't know if things can keep going well for him, you know?
00:30:24
Speaker
Yeah. It's kind of like Belinda. Like, I think we are, i mean, white Lotus is somewhat of an upstairs downstairs television show. Like, I do think that we're supposed to relate more to the downstairs. Maybe yeah because neither of us is rich, but like, I just like, I relate more to like,
00:30:45
Speaker
Belinda and Guy Talk and Mook and like even the
Lachlan's Motives and Actions
00:30:49
Speaker
manager. i like I relate more to these people than I relate to the rich people. Yeah, they're the kind of people that you interact with more on a regular basis. Right, whereas like these super wealthy people are people I'm used to seeing depicted on tv and have certainly had like maybe some lifetime encounters with, but like not are they aren't the people I'm like closest with. So it's just it's like kind of difficult to like relate to them.
00:31:14
Speaker
um I think, okay, let's return to the Ratliffs for a minute. I think it's possible Lachlan has ah better night at the monastery than Piper.
00:31:26
Speaker
yeah I think that's almost certainly going to happen. um Yeah. Do you think going to tell Piper what happened? i kind of do. um i think he might tell it in sort of a different way.
00:31:39
Speaker
do you mean like kind of make it sound like it was Saxon's fault? Yeah. I could see him saying it more in this, like Saxon was pushing, you know, drinks on these girls all day and had this and this plan that we were going to hook up with these girls.
00:31:59
Speaker
And, you know, cause I do think like up until they're back on the boat, Saxon is sort of like playing this character of like, let the girls get drunk and like, we're going to each take one and like, we're going to be the conquerors and blah, blah, blah, blah. blah And I don't think it's really until the sex stuff starts going down that Saxon is really like in a backseat, you know?
00:32:22
Speaker
That's true. And I also think that like, aside from the, the events that occurred on the boat, like Lachlan has been kind of squeaky clean. Like he hasn't really done anything ah morally ambiguous or morally sort of reprehensible yet.
00:32:40
Speaker
and so Until arguably this moment. Yeah. Well, yeah, obviously, obviously giving your brother a hand at falls under that category. But, um, but like outside of that I don't know. I think like making out to his sister that, that it was largely his brother's fault, I think would be kind of a low for the car, like another low for the character that I could, I could definitely see them going that route actually. Yeah. I could see him trying to get some sort of sympathy from her. Like,
00:33:10
Speaker
you know, and Saxon's weird with her too. So it's like, she could sort, I mean, I think she would sort of find it believable that he would like pressure his brother into some sexual situation he wasn't like ready for. Although that's like, maybe the brother has to roll hook up at the monastery.
00:33:27
Speaker
I mean, i don't think so. I think that Lachlan's character like is supposed to be gay. Yeah. Do you think? I think so. don't know. Maybe, maybe. Yeah, maybe.
00:33:41
Speaker
he reads He reads as gay to me. And just like the lingering looking at your brother's ass stuff. I mean, that's just, I don't know. There's something sexually confused about him.
00:33:53
Speaker
Yeah, he definitely seems a little confused. he so He's a sensitive of young man. Yeah. um Okay. Did we cover all the like groups? I think we did essentially cover all the groups.
00:34:07
Speaker
I mean, Chloe's the only one we didn't really talk about yet. I mean, Chloe seems fine. i am wondering if like, she's going to be the one who dies because she seems like the most sort of like enlightened person.
00:34:20
Speaker
character at this point and they also keep saying that you know it comes in threes so yeah yeah it does feel like that's sort of like foretelling something for her which would be a real shame because i feel like she's kind of the everyman character that everyone sort of universally likes i i don't know anyone who's had anything bad to say about her someone told me that she's she's like giving manchester vibes she well she's the actress is from manchester and a mank bird yeah she's definitely a mank bird but she's a she's a particular breed of mank bird as well that um they're just the nicest girls that you you've ever met and that they're like they can be fun to go out on a night out with but like the they're the kind of girls who like
00:35:10
Speaker
They'll always be there to like hold your hair back when you're like throwing up, but to like make sure that you get a taxi safe home. Like they're, they're good girls. She's a good Manchester girl. Yeah. And I think it is interesting that she's like been them involved in an armed robbery and a snake bite and she's still pretty chill.
00:35:30
Speaker
And the only thing that I thought was a little bit like, maybe like she could have done something, but I kind of understand why she did it. It's like, maybe she could have intervened in this like, brother situation but i also think that like she didn't really know what was going to happen and was sort of just protecting herself from getting involved yeah getting involved in that which i think is like fine i think it's okay for her to extricate herself from yeah i found the scenes like um between like her and um saxon when they were like by the pool when she's kind of teasing him a i liked all that stuff i thought it was funny
00:36:09
Speaker
Um, just like to kind of, um, to kind of move like outside of the confines of the show, but still within like the sort white lowest sphere.
00:36:21
Speaker
know she kind of seems like the, the sort of like breakout star of this series. Like I know she'd done some stuff like before this, um, But I don't know. Can you see this being like ah a bit of a big break for her as an actress? Definitely. And it's kind of happened. It kind of happened once before. Cause I do feel like Sydney Sweeney became like big after her white Lotus thing.
00:36:44
Speaker
um and i could definitely see her and then like the in the second season megan fahey she was the one who played um the wife of the jock guy the theo james the really hot yeah she's getting a bunch of like movie roles and stuff now is she in that movie that i keep seeing trailers for when i go to the cinema where she's on a date with a guy and she has to kill him yeah Okay, I really want to go and see this. it looks terrible, but probably good.
00:37:12
Speaker
It looks terrible, but fun, yeah. So I can see her being the one who like emerges. She's definitely getting the most hype, for sure. yeah I hope so.
00:37:22
Speaker
it's it's been but It's been kind of nice seeing like Parker Posey do like the interview rounds. Cause she's like very, very charming and like into. Yeah. And it's kind of interesting too. Like, cause I wonder if what's happened with Jennifer Coolidge is going to happen with Parker Posey because like both of them are like famous character actresses, but they sort of never became like a list. I mean, they were like, they're rich and they like have been in Hollywood for a long time.
00:37:46
Speaker
but they never were really getting like lead roles, you know? And I wonder if like Parker Posey is going to have sort of a like, you know, late career Renaissance, the way Jennifer Coolidge is like kind of getting cast and everything.
00:38:02
Speaker
Although I could see that. Cause I think, I think the, what, what Parker Posey has over Jennifer Coolidge is that she, she's definitely more versatile as an actress. I feel like,
00:38:16
Speaker
I like Jennifer Coolidge a lot, but she's she's kind of limited in terms of the types of roles that she can play. She always kind of plays like a Jennifer Coolidge character.
00:38:26
Speaker
But Parker Posey, I think, has a lot more sort versatility in terms of the types of roles that she could play. So I could definitely see her having a bit of a late career renaissance for sure. Yeah, i think it's I think it's likely. I mean, both of these women like steadily worked, but I just think that it ups Jennifer Coolidge's...
00:38:45
Speaker
you know, whole thing. i mean, i do think they're wasting Jennifer Coolidge, which makes me a little bit sad. Like she's getting cast in like so much stupid crap, which I understand why she would take those roles because I'm like, you know, she's young enough.
00:39:01
Speaker
She's young enough that she still has you know, 20 or 30 years of nice life left. And why not, why not, why not be even like richer than you are? So I understand why she's doing it, but I think artistically she's being sort of wasted.
00:39:15
Speaker
Like she was in that stupid gay, like Netflix Christmas movie. And then she was in like this, she was in like a really bad, like Netflix TV show playing like a realtor. And I feel like they're kind of wasting like what they could do with this character, you know?
00:39:31
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, Was the one with Connie... Is it Connie Britton? The American Horror Story one? yeah, yeah. They're not using her to her, like... um to her fullest potential, but Parker Posey obviously could like reach really interesting heights.
00:39:47
Speaker
Um, but yeah, I think the, I think Chelsea, the mink bird could, I think she's definitely going to have a lot more. She's definitely going to have a lot more opportunities than this, like French Canadian woman is going to have, like, is she standing out?
00:40:02
Speaker
Um, I'm trying to think of other predictions that I've like had at this point. Um, Yeah, I don't know. i mean, I'm still, I do feel like this shit hasn't hit the fan. Like I do feel like episode five was like, okay, everyone's going to make some decisions. And episode six was like, I said, the hangover episode where it's like, everyone is like dealing with the decisions, but doesn't quite know how to deal with them.
00:40:28
Speaker
And then I think like episode seven is going have to be the shit hit the hits the fan episode where like stuff really starts to like, like all the consequences sort of like fly together. Yeah.
00:40:42
Speaker
So that's like, that's my prediction because like, we really haven't like Lachlan and Saxon haven't really addressed what happened. This, this, the women have started talking about what happened, but it's not resolved.
00:40:54
Speaker
Um, the dad is still hasn't gotten his phone back to try to see what the fuck is going on with his like life. So yeah. Yeah.
00:41:05
Speaker
It's interesting. Like, um, I don't know why it's like in the States necessarily, but like, obviously we're both on Twitter and everyone on Twitter seems like they're really obsessed with the show.
00:41:16
Speaker
um but every news article that I get on my phone, like recommended about White Lois is that all negative. It's all people talking about how slow and boring this season is.
00:41:27
Speaker
I'm sort of like, I don't know. I wonder like, i wonder whether it's one of those situations where like the the critic and the audience perception of something like doesn't kind of like match up and the audience likes it more than the critics do. It seems to be happening in general quite a lot of these days, but um I don't know. Like this sort of in America, how's it being sort of like conveyed in like the press? Is it mostly positive? Yeah. I feel like the critics are really on the side of it. I've only ever seen people being negative about it. Like on Twitter, I haven't really seen,
00:42:03
Speaker
And like a lot of like random Normie people are watching White Lotus too. So like my dad's watching it and like some of my coworkers are watching it. So like I do have people in my life who are like just kind of yeah i don't know enjoying like yeah and my mom's coming friday and i thought about starting her on on season one i was like oh i don't know whether my i don't know whether i'm ready for my mom to watch it like i remember when the though the because it airs on sky in the uk and i remember when the the first series was airing um my mom had sort of like asked me whether i'd watched it and whether she would like it and was like don't watch it give them this i don't know i don't like corrupting my mom think my mom can handle the first season pretty well yeah maybe be honest i can't even remember what happens in the first season it's all kind of a blur to me i like i vaguely remember the belinda character being there and and this kind of um plot line of like tanya sort of
00:43:08
Speaker
saying that she's going to help her like start a business. I kind of vaguely remember that. I remember Sydney Sweeney's face, but like in terms of like what actually happened in terms of the plot, I feel like it's all like gone for me. I do feel like they're going to have to wrap up the Greg thing this season. I don't think it, so I don't think it can go on another season. And then I don't know who he's going to like pick to keep going. Um, but we'll see.
00:43:34
Speaker
I also hope that Belinda doesn't carry on for another season. I really don't. i don't know. I like her. She's likable, but she's kind of a snooze to me. Yeah.
00:43:47
Speaker
I mean, everyone is a little bit of a, I mean, the, the, the, fan but I will say the people I'm most invested in on the Rallifs, like I'm most interested in their storyline.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yeah, I am. I am too. i wasn't for the first few episodes. I found them really boring. I found the dad extremely boring. Um, and, but I am, yeah, i they've definitely got the most going on.
00:44:14
Speaker
And I've become like less interested in the friend group, like the three girls. I was more interested in them when I was first watching it and now I'm sort of like, mm. I also want to say something that like is just bothering me. Like I counted the number of days that have allegedly passed at this point and it's like five days have passed.
00:44:33
Speaker
Okay. I was actually thinking about this before we started recording it's five and trying to work out in my head and I couldn't work out because I'm a retard, but I'm certain it's five. And I'm certain that this next episode is going to be the fifth night.
00:44:47
Speaker
Cause we haven't even gotten to the night yet. The full moon party happens on the fourth night. So I'm kind of like, one thing that I just is bothering me is like these super rich people flying
Thailand Trip Critique
00:45:02
Speaker
so far to go to this resort for like what seems like a very short trip. Like it's like, it's such an insanely short trip. You know what I mean? Like it's like, and and it's like, it's, it's like, I would believe these people going anywhere in the Bahamas, anywhere in Mexico. i just find the idea of going to Thailand for such a short period of time. And like he, he got more,
00:45:30
Speaker
episodes. So I'm like, they could feasibly have been there for longer, you know? Yeah, I guess so. But then they do on Real Housewives all the time. They go for like, they go for like four nights in like the Bahamas or Thailand or somewhere. It's not that crazy, but, um, it drives me crazy because like literally at this point in a trip to Thailand, like five days in, like I would still just be feeling miserable.
00:45:51
Speaker
Yeah. Like I wouldn't, I wouldn't be like, I mean, I guess they're drinking and partying and when you're on vacation, you kind of don't give a fuck anyway, but I'm just like, I'm like, wow. I mean, it's just a lot.
00:46:04
Speaker
I'm also a bad traveler. Like I need a lot of. Yeah. yeah i've done I've not been on a long haul flight for like probably like 10 years. I went to Australia about 10 years ago that was fucking horrible.
00:46:17
Speaker
But I haven't been on a really long flight since then. I've only been on like maybe four five hours, six hours. Um, but i really do. I hate flying. ah can't stand it.
00:46:29
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I like flying, but I don't like being jet lagged. So, um, anyway, do you want to wrap it up? I think 50, tight 50 is nice for this. Yeah, it's only a little update on White Lotus, but yeah, we should be able to wrap it Bye, Twinkies. Bye, Twinkies. We love you.
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