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Episode 8: Walton Gagging
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The boys return to dissect the past, present, and future of Mike White's twitter-coded HBO dramedy The White Lotus, Patrick Schwarzenever, music festivals, and RFK's twink death endorsed war on poppers.
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Transcript
Casual Chat and Humorous Exchange
00:00:36
Speaker
um welcome back everyone i was enjoying talking to you so much like not in a performative way on the pod so it was hard to it was hard to stop but we'll try to keep that rhythm going even though there's yeah now a performance aspect that's fine is it getting ah warmer where you are um it got warmer for about two days at the beginning of the week and then went right back to being cold again so it's currently it's like eight degrees celsius i don't know what that is american yeah and it's not hot it's not hot it's not freezing but it's not hot but i've got my got my blue drink on the go and my cigarettes so i'm ready
00:01:16
Speaker
I was laughing at what is that? I thought it was like, it looks like you're drinking Listerine. It's that blue stuff I had the last episode or the episode before. It's like blue raspberry vodka pop stuff. I don't know.
00:01:30
Speaker
It's very good. It all comes in a can like that. Yeah, it comes in like a gold can. They're very nice. We're not going to be able to get anything like that anymore. RFK just banned poppers even.
RFK's Ban on Poppers and Community Reactions
00:01:42
Speaker
Oh, I hate poppers. i I don't care. i wish they'd ban them over here Yeah, i I'm not a big fan either. I'm like totally okay with the ban. But it is funny watching gay guys on Twitter like having a meltdown about it. Yeah. I don't know. Do they do in America? and So over here, um ah yeah it's not legal to sell them as poppers. So they have to sell them as like a room fragrance. But everybody knows that they're poppers.
00:02:10
Speaker
Yeah, it's the same thing. They call it like video cleaner or like room fragrance. They call it like different things. But yeah, it's the same thing. But I mean, they've never really been legal. But there were some companies that had popped up, which I thought i always thought were funny.
Boutique Poppers and Sexual Contexts
00:02:28
Speaker
Like...
00:02:28
Speaker
ah like boutique, like there was this company called Double Scorpio that did like what they, what they called boutique poppers. um So like it would smell like lavender or whatever, but I always thought that was stupid because I'm like, if you're going to do a drug, it should like just smell like a drug. Like it just should be a drug. Like you don't need to have like lavender. Also like, I don't, I don't know if I'd be thinking that much about the smell. Cause you just get such an immediate headache off them anyway. All I'm thinking about is, Oh my God, my head's about to explode.
00:02:58
Speaker
Yeah. And I think that even in a sexual setting, ah they obviously make, you know, initial fucking easier, but I think they sort of like ruin the, the overall sexual experience. I have never used them in that setting at all Like the, the, just, it just tastes, it's too seedy. Like I'm not a seedy, like sex guy. i don't know. I like, I'm not like a prude or anything, but like,
00:03:27
Speaker
I don't know. i want I want sex to be romantic. I don't want to be like sniffing a mysterious liquid out of a tiny bottle. um But yeah. Yeah. I mean, they make initial entry for the bottom signal significantly easier. Sorry. I know. I'm like i'm not i'm being very... My face is contorting. It's fine.
00:03:49
Speaker
But like, I mean, i think that that's, you know, that's part of the whole experience. Exactly. Yeah.
Negative Aspects of Poppers
00:03:56
Speaker
Yeah. that That should be part of it. You shouldn't have a cheat, a cheat code, particularly one that like, it's definitely really bad. It's like a chemical inhalant going into your brain.
00:04:09
Speaker
yeah um But yeah, so that's over. Sorry guys, trump another another Trump w and according to Twink Death. We think it's a W. yeah Not an L. Fully support. um But
Twitter Use and Social Media Engagement
00:04:24
Speaker
yeah, I don't know. I tried giving up Twitter ah for Lent and it hasn't gone very well as you can as you've probably noticed. um yeah i did I did make us um my PFP.
00:04:36
Speaker
Yeah, I did notice this too. Yeah, i I think I'm doing a better job of giving up Twitter than you are. I barely ever tweet anymore. but Yeah, I don't know. i just and running fun on I've been having fun on Twitter lately. I find it like I'm having a lot of like technical issues with it.
00:04:55
Speaker
I don't know. got a blue checkmark for the first time. I'd never done it before, and I thought, oh, I'll get it. And then as soon as I got it, I was like, oh, shit, i want maybe I wanted to give this up for Lent. And now I've paid for like a month. so um But ever since I got the blue check, like i everything is slower. Like when I post, it's really slow. And I think i think that's like intentional so you can undo your tweets.
00:05:19
Speaker
But like that's just really annoying to me. i want everything I'm used to everything being like fast. And I'm not getting like, vastly more likes on my tweets, like maybe a little bit more, but, um, I'm just sort of like, I don't know whether I need the blue tick.
00:05:35
Speaker
Um, I think to get any, like to get any real engagement on Twitter, I would have to delete my account and start a whole new one. Cause I think it's algorithmically, um, compromised, but,
00:05:49
Speaker
I'm not getting very much engagement at all for as big as my account is, which by Twitter standards isn't even that big. But um i like one thing we both did was leave a shit ton of group chats. And i left like I left so many like group chats that were just like sort of floating in the ether in my you know and my in my box. So that that's felt really good.
Curating a Pleasant Twitter Feed
00:06:11
Speaker
i really Yeah.
00:06:12
Speaker
i've I've claimed that as my thing that I've given up for Lent group chats except from cozy chat. um so It was a good like move to do during Lent, and I feel significantly better having done it. And i just, I feel less cluttered.
00:06:29
Speaker
um And I do think group chats are what make Twitter bad most of the time. Yeah. Because, like, otherwise... And I've also muted, like... I mean, this was pre-Twitter. But I also have, like, 300 accounts muted or something.
00:06:45
Speaker
Oh, I've always been like that. Because I don't block people. No, I don't block anyone. But I've muted so much stuff. So now, like, my Twitter feed is never, ever, ever, like... um anything like really dramatic or like political. It's like my Twitter feed is just like gay guys making jokes, like pretty much a hundred percent.
00:07:05
Speaker
Or it's like cozy content, like accounts that post like, here's a well ah like fairy painting, you know, like stuff like that. Like, so I have a much more,
00:07:19
Speaker
so Yeah, my Twitter feels like sort of like an Etsy, a gay Etsy weird boy shop.
Social Media Content Theft
00:07:27
Speaker
I know what you mean. Mine is very similar. but i've It's been sort of a longer process for me, like getting it like that, but I've been at it a lot longer. So I think I've kind of perfected it at this point.
00:07:38
Speaker
But for me, like I've always been like, trying to turn my Twitter feed into Pinterest because I love Pinterest so much. and But the thing I love about Pinterest is that you don't have to talk to anyone. It's just like nice things so that it knows you'll like, and you can just like look at them and then turn it off whenever you feel like. And I kind of, I want Twitter to be like that.
00:07:57
Speaker
So mine's mostly like videos of animals and stuff mine too mine too i love that um we also both had i'm not going to name any names but we both had tweets stolen this week and my tweet but that was stolen went viral for the other person we both did did i yeah the same person stole tweets from both of us i don't i had a tweet stolen this week Yeah, the the same person who I know is never going to hear this, so I don't give a fuck. We can cut it out anyway if they do. i don't even i didn't even know I had a tweet still. like well this is
00:08:32
Speaker
and it was um Yours was the when you quote tweeted me with the like the other Kennedy brother. Oh, okay. someone stole that and your exact wording like a minute after, and then the same person stole a tweet of mine and got like 10,000.
00:08:46
Speaker
ten thousand I'm so used to that happening to me now that it just, it doesn't even register. just ah like I didn't care. i mean, like I was like,
00:08:57
Speaker
I was like, for like one second, I thought about like maybe calling him out, but it always, it always seems, you always look like kind of a loser if you like. Yeah, I agree. It's, I used to call out all the time whenever I'd notice that now I'm just sort of like, Oh, whatever. At least,
00:09:14
Speaker
At least they liked it enough to steal it.
Introduction to White Lotus Discussion
00:09:16
Speaker
Yeah. it I was just like, it seems like loser mentality to like really care that much about this because I don't really care about Twitter in that way. i'm not. wrong and And yeah, we've, and yeah, we've been speaking about Twitter for the past like 10 minutes instead of the subject. the supply I'm just trying to give the audience a warmup. So we just, it's fine.
00:09:39
Speaker
We do more than just jump right into it. um our our topic but but yeah anyway it's yeah well i guess we're not quite in spring yet so this might be our last winter edition of um white lotus uh or not white lotus you like dropped the ball already
White Lotus Filming and Themes
00:10:00
Speaker
giving the game away ah but yeah we are going to talk about white lotus today um which is a little different than what we usually do but You know, it's very gay. It's written by a gay guy
00:10:11
Speaker
um And, you know, it's... Technically, I would argue, it's it it fits in the genre of like, the gay murder show.
00:10:22
Speaker
yeah Just because it's written by a gay guy, and it always includes some sort of death, I guess. Well... Yeah, I guess essentially they there they always include um some sort of crime element too.
00:10:35
Speaker
um So yeah, so we're watching the new season. um And... okay let's just let's just dive right in. So the new season... um so okay, let me let me first preface this by saying, like, I watched the first season...
00:10:54
Speaker
in a very weird time in my life. I won't, I won't really, um i don't want to say what was going on, but um I was just like up at night a lot and I just started turning it on. I didn't even know like really what it was.
00:11:08
Speaker
um and obviously I got like very hooked really fast. And I think what was cool about the show then, cause I started reading about it to like learn more about it. I've always been a big Mike White fan, but like literally I stumbled upon the first season without even really knowing it was him.
00:11:24
Speaker
um Cause I loved it back in the day. i was like one of like the 10 people who watched enlightened, but anyway, I I went, i went I read about it and like basically the way this show um happened is like, HBO was like, we need someone who can make a COVID safe show.
00:11:45
Speaker
And Mike White had this idea of like flying everyone to the Four Seasons Hawaii, the cast, the crew, the camera people, like everyone. And they um he was like, we'll just stay at the Four Seasons and we won't leave. Um, and we'll, everyone will quarantine for two weeks and then we'll start filming.
Seasonal Themes and Personal Connections
00:12:07
Speaker
So that's what they did. Um, and that's been the, and they basically have like kept that formula. And for me, it's such a like wealth fantasy to like have a job where I have to fly to some amazing resort for seven months. And you're just living with all these like really cool people. Yeah.
00:12:26
Speaker
And making this like really cool art. um So that's what they did for this season. They flew to Samui, the four seasons Khao Samui. The whole cast stayed for seven months.
00:12:37
Speaker
Obviously this time they didn't need to be um quarantined, you know, but they still all stayed at the literal resort um and they filmed it. So this season is in Thailand.
00:12:49
Speaker
um He always has kind of a thematic background. you know, through line. And I kind of think like the thematic through line this time is ah ego or or identity death. um it's It's really playing with like Buddhist buddhist themes. would Yeah. I listened to i'm like an interview that he gave like right after the second season ended. And he was talking about like how obviously the theme for the first season is kind of money and class and privilege. And then,
00:13:21
Speaker
ah second season is obviously all about sex. Um, and then he was kind of hinting about the third season and saying that it was all about kind of death and, um, like Eastern religion and stuff.
00:13:33
Speaker
Um, yeah, I think you're definitely more into the third season than I am, but we can talk a little bit about that. Um, yeah, I,
00:13:44
Speaker
I really loved the second season. i think i I think we could probably both agree that the second season is like peak White Lotus so far. I would say. I don't know. Would you agree? i would say at this point, I'm comfortable saying that. But I want i want to see where where he
Character Analysis in White Lotus Season 3
00:14:01
Speaker
takes it.
00:14:01
Speaker
Yeah, I do too. And i'm i I'll preface this by saying like i I am a fan of the show. I've watched like the first, second, and obviously third season. um A big thing for me, I think, was the the setting and I'm not saying that Thailand is exactly the same as Hawaii. Obviously I know that Thailand is a completely different country and they have different culture and different customs, but like, I think on a, like a visual level, it feels aesthetically very similar to the first season for me in a way that the second season didn't. I felt like the,
00:14:39
Speaker
the second season was so vastly different aesthetically because it was obviously set in Sicily. um And this season, I don't know. it just, like, I think it's because it's set in a resort. So obviously the majority of screen time you're spending, like, within this, like, resort setting.
00:14:58
Speaker
And, like, tropical resorts tend to just look kind of the same wherever you are. And I feel like the scenes that they've had so far where they've been around the pool and like in the sort hotel bar and stuff, they could just be from season one for me. And I feel like I'm, I'm just, I don't know. I didn't think that the setting would annoy me as much as it has so far. So I'm hoping I will say though, like I've just watched, was episode four, the most recent one.
00:15:28
Speaker
Yes. I'm finally starting to like it more. And I'm feeling more optimistic about where it's going. But yeah, the first like few episodes, I was really struggling with the, the setting. Cause like, i don't know, like just kind of tropical settings in general, just not ah visually that interesting to me. Like they're completely like, I don't know. I play, I play the Sims all the time, like in my spare time and I never play in like the tropical worlds. I always want to play in like the sort British themed worlds or like the American themed worlds and just like,
00:16:02
Speaker
yes You've seen one palm tree. You've seen them all. don't know. um Yeah, I think I have a theory as to why you started waking up and liking it in the fourth episode. And I think it's because the fourth episode is the first episode where we start to leave the resort. Yeah. And we get into... Because like clearly they're they're going to...
00:16:24
Speaker
I mean, like, ah well, yeah, so that they leave the resort. But let's let's do a quick breakdown in case people, I guess most people are watching, but, like, let's do a quick breakdown of the the the groups of people. So there's three women. There's three women.
00:16:39
Speaker
um who are like wealthy white women um who our childhood friends, one of whom seems to have gotten like kind of the biggest, the best deal. She's like a TV actress. It kind of seems like the show she does is maybe sort of like a Law & Order or Grey's Anatomy type show because it like seems like something that's been like long running um but maybe isn't... like peak high television. Anyway, whatever. She's very rich. Those are actually usually the richest people in TV is people. Yeah, because they make like a hundred grand an episode. Yeah, yeah. so she's So she seems sort of like that's the type of character she's supposed to be playing is like some long running, like, you know. um So yeah. And then there's an, and the whole,
00:17:31
Speaker
set up with them is that like every time one person leaves the group, the other two talk about the other person, which I think is very relatable. I feel like a lot of friend groups are like that. I've definitely done that. i actually have an argument that that's not very toxic, but whatever, we'll get to that.
00:17:48
Speaker
The other group is the Ratlifts. It's um Parker Posey is playing this like Benzoed out like Southern mom and she's married to, um you know, this wealthy finance guy and they have three kids.
00:18:02
Speaker
Saxon Piper, that's how she says the name, and um Lachlan. You're good with the names. I'm terrible with the names. I would call them like Kelly Had one, Schwarzenegger one, and go on. I think the only reason I remember their name so well is because, uh, she has such Parker Posey has such a funny way of saying each one. She's like Saxon Piper. Yeah.
00:18:28
Speaker
It was like a very like distinct. Um, so it's like sticking in my head. Anyway, what's going on with them is the dad has been involved in some sort of like insider trading, ah scandal or something. And like, they're they're basically going to be broke, but like no one but the dad knows that yet.
00:18:46
Speaker
And then what's happening amongst the kids is Piper seems to be the character that we're sort of... um experiencing like the religious stuff with because she wants to like move to Thailand and like join a monastery. um And then then the two brothers are sort of like the older brother is definitely like all of the worst stereotypes of right-wing Twitter. Like,
00:19:11
Speaker
ah sort of codified into one character. He's like an awful finance bro that makes like horrible jokes. Mike White like is famously like very much like tuned in into like all of Twitter. So he's definitely like, that character says like gender goblin and like yeah Like there's all sorts of stuff that's coming from Twitter that that character does. Anyway, he seems to be trying to get his younger brother to have some sexual experiences.
00:19:40
Speaker
um Sometimes it feels a little incesty, but it's like hard to tell if it's like, actually incest-y or if it's just like an older brother trying to like get his little brother to like bro out basically yeah we've talked about this quite a bit um um i mean we've talked about like incest on tv quite a bit in general because this this definitely seems to be a uh an emergence of a lot of like incest related content um but yeah they do kind of like is in the first episode where like the older brother like goes into the bathroom to like
00:20:16
Speaker
jerk off and the young one sort like peering at the doorway and then he closes the door and yeah but um I think you were saying that you you you don't think it's going to go in that direction like it seems almost too obvious um I think the closest it'll get to that is maybe they will have some sort of experience where they like fuck the same girl or something like that yeah um but I will put on the record that I do not want them to fuck like there are a lot of people online who are like ah thirsting for them to have sex. I do not want this to happen. I
Staff Characters and Thailand Setting
00:20:50
Speaker
think it's gross.
00:20:50
Speaker
but Yeah, I don't really want it to happen either. And I think Mike White's, like, kind of too smart for that to be it. It would it would kind of be too s salacious. That would be very Ryan Murphy-coated if he did. Yeah. The third main cup... He's not Ryan Murphy. The third... um He's a much smarter writer than that, I would say. I agree. um The third...
00:21:11
Speaker
group not even really group. It's just a couple. It's it's Walter Goggins is at playing this like old kind of like sort of like you think he's like maybe a con man. He's actually very hot in my opinion. He's a handsome guy. Yeah. And he's playing, he has a young girlfriend who's like a very ah British actress. if She's from Manchester. I should specify.
00:21:36
Speaker
yeah um anybody And we get the impression that he's there to like kill the guy who killed his dad. um And yeah, those are that's sort of the three main. And then and then I guess the third the third thing we should mention, because he always does a little bit of like upstairs, downstairs stuff, is in the staff.
00:21:57
Speaker
There's a security guard character who's really infatuated with this ah like you know woman who works at the resort who's played by Lisa, who's actually like the biggest star in all of Asia. but Yeah, she's she is so gorgeous. Every time she's on screen, I'm like i'm not obviously heterosexual, but like i can appreciate a beautiful girl, and she is so pretty. And she looks so much prettier on the show than she does in Blackpink.
00:22:27
Speaker
because she always wears those like ridiculous colored content lenses on stage and stuff. um But yeah, I like those two. I think they're both very cute and I i hope they get it together, but I don't think they will.
00:22:40
Speaker
No, I don't think she's, I mean, I guess we could start with them. I don't think she's like in into him. No, I agree. um But I don't know why cause he's adorable.
00:22:51
Speaker
I know why. um of obvious me um But yeah. Oh, and then and then Belinda's back, of course. And Belinda is from season one. And it seems like they're going to- Is she the massage lady?
00:23:04
Speaker
Yeah, she's the massage lady. Okay, seems It seems like, and Greg is back, ah the guy who got Jennifer Lawrence killed. um So that seems to be- Jennifer Lawrence?
00:23:15
Speaker
Huh? Jennifer Lawrence. Oh, Jennifer Coolidge. Sorry. I actually hate Jennifer Lawrence. So if you did catch Jennifer Lawrence killed, I would be well on board. But um yeah, that that was one of the issues that had also with this season is that I did not recognize him for about three episodes.
00:23:32
Speaker
um Cause he's introduced like fairly early as like dating that potential hooker who befriends the Manchester girl. And Yeah, I had no clue who he was. My brain had just like blanked out his face.
00:23:46
Speaker
But then I guess that kind of fits with the vibe. um Because the masseuse lady, she's sort of like, do I know him? Do I not know him at first? So I was kind of feeling the same way.
00:23:58
Speaker
Yeah, but clearly that's going to be the current element, or at least one of them because, you know, he's there and it seems like he definitely did get all the money, um you know, because we finally see we see his house and his boat in episode four and he's like yeah he's like living large. so Yeah, I will say like as much as I um like bemoaned the location, i think from a narrative perspective, like, and they even mentioned this in the last episode, it's like the, the dad of like the Radcliffe family, he talks about how like Thailand's the kind of place that you only go when you're like running away from something or hiding from something. And, um, so I can understand like with wanting to continue that, like Gary guys storyline, they would need to kind of choose a location like that. It wouldn't make sense somewhere that a lot of people would be around that you might know.
00:24:51
Speaker
Um, So yeah, maybe Thailand is the right choice. but good to Well, I mean, I've been to Thailand a lot actually, and I kind of agree with that element of it, especially for expats in Thailand. Like yeah there are of course a ton of men go to Thailand to, you know, marry Thai women. That is like a thing.
Bangkok's Influence on White Lotus
00:25:15
Speaker
are, we used to have a Thai lady that would clean our house. Um, and she was married to a very, very old British guy.
00:25:26
Speaker
and she was gorgeous, like the prettiest girl you've ever seen in your entire life. Um, and I, she's, I won't say my real name, but I would, I'll say Bicky, but she used to like, whenever she'd see me, she'd be like, Oh, hello, master Bicky. And she'd bow. And I always found it so cute. But, um, but we're not even a rich family. We're like a very sort of like lower middle-class family.
00:25:46
Speaker
We just pay like 10 pound an hour to clean the toilet. Yeah. I mean, they're incredibly like kind people. Yeah. they are Every time I've gone to Thailand, it's like, there's such a like, yeah, there's such a like kind nation and everyone is so nice. And there's just a lot of, yeah. I mean, that's like, they they think they even call it like the country of smiles or something. i could see that.
00:26:14
Speaker
Yeah. Um, And I'm excited for them to get out. I mean, it seems like Walter Goggins is going to go to Bangkok. So I'm excited for them to get into a setting like that because where they are right now is the part of Thailand that's super beautiful, but it's like, it's truly just like wealthy tourists and stuff. Like it's not, whereas like Bangkok is like such a chaos place.
00:26:38
Speaker
city i mean i kind of hate it because for me it's like kind of many things that i don't like about that i don't like like it's super fucking hot it's super fucking loud it's super fucking chaotic
Preferred Characters and Cultural Commentary
00:26:52
Speaker
um but great public transportation somehow asian countries really really have that down but well don't they drive around in those little like bike things Yeah, you can get on one of those, but even their, like, metro is, like, so clean and, like, perfect. like
00:27:10
Speaker
I'm always, like, it's so funny. This is, like, basically, like, a poor country, and it has better metro than anywhere in New York City. Yeah, we don't even have it in Manchester.
00:27:22
Speaker
I, like, started building one, like, I think probably about 100 years ago, and then just gave up and never finished it. So who are you of the three, like, foreign couples american couples or whatever american british couples are you most enjoying watching hmm
00:27:46
Speaker
i do i do like the i mean i'm probably biased because she's from manchester but i do like the walter goggins and the like the big teeth girl um but i do um ah im and i'm I'm more intrigued about what's going to happen with the three friends, like the three female friends.
00:28:02
Speaker
um I'm interested in seeing how that kind of escalates. I thought was funny when they had that scene where the the short head one who lives in Texas was sort of alluding to the fact that she'd voted for Trump. I thought that was really clever.
00:28:18
Speaker
um But yeah, I i think that they're probably the ones that I'm the most intrigued by. um but I'm only really...
00:28:27
Speaker
I hate the Ratcliffe family. i Apart from the mum, who i find oh I think they specifically put in for the gays, like I'm just not that invested in any of them. And I don't know whether it's because I really dislike Patrick Schwarzenegger, but yeah, I just don't really care what happens to them.
00:28:46
Speaker
Well, i mean, let's be honest. He's an incredibly dislikable character. like i hate... um i hate watching him i hate everything he does i hate everything he says i know because i know that mike white is like like you know mike white famously like said that in the first season he and he inspired those two girl the two bitch girl characters off of red scare yeah um so he's clearly like tuned into like kind of the twitter world that i would say you and i like vaguely inhabit, although I feel like both of us are constantly trying to like inhabit it less, but, but like, he's very tuned into that world. And I do think he made sort of a bronze age pervert guy. Like, I do think they like, he like took that like streak of Twitter and sort of tried to like make ah but a sort of like bro that like would theoretically be into that because all he talks about is like,
00:29:44
Speaker
Fucking girls, muscle maxing, making money. you know Yeah, I agree. But I think, I don't know. i
00:29:55
Speaker
We differ on this because you think he's good looking, but I think he's disgusting looking. And I think I would find like, which I think works actually for the character. Like I think if he was, if I think if I found him attractive, I would like the character regardless of how he acts but because I'm so repulsed by him.
00:30:15
Speaker
Like it's on like a dual level. Like I'm repulsed by how he looks cause I hate his face and I'm like repulsed by the way he acts. So I guess it kind of works in that regard if that's what it's supposed to feel.
00:30:25
Speaker
But I'm just going to pour into the drink, but I can hear you. So keep talking. No worries. um I mean, i want to be clear that the argument I made on Twitter was not that I think he's the hottest guy to ever walk the earth. i I said I think he's the hottest current Kennedy heir.
00:30:45
Speaker
yeah um Because I actually don't think the Kennedys are as hot as people think they are. I think they're just, they have the allure of being hot because of their money or whatever.
00:30:57
Speaker
um But I don't think he's like, he's not like my ideal type of guy. I mean, like I'm much more into like Walter Goggins than I am into... Like, as far as, like, who I would actually choose as a sexual partner, like, I would 100% choose a Walter Goggins-type character over, like, a Patrick Schwarzenegger-type character.
00:31:19
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i mean But anyway, I mean, and I think the brother, look the look the younger brother, the guy they have playing him is much cuter as, like, ah in the face and stuff than that other character is. But...
00:31:30
Speaker
I find him just, I do find him like noxious and repulsive and like, I hate listening to him. And like, I do feel like he represents like all of this stuff that I've gotten like really tired of in the culture because yeah he's just such an annoying, like,
00:31:45
Speaker
you know, i don't know. i mean, there's always pendulum swings, right? Like there was like the super woke era where, you know, that got really annoying and that got really old fast. And now like the anti-woke stuff is like kind of becoming like that in the sense that like they're getting just as cringe. And this dude is an example of like, you know, he's like a caricature almost. Like he's. Yeah.
00:32:12
Speaker
It's like, I don't know. It's, It is getting kind of cringe. I just, don't want to, I don't want to think about woke anymore as like a thing. Like it's, I don't want things to be woke and I don't want things to be anti-woke. I just don't want to think about woke ever again. just want, I just want it like,
00:32:32
Speaker
how if They know you're saying. You don't want to keep like dealing with that doc dichotomy. And interestingly enough, i don't think I think it's interesting the three Ratcliffe kids, or Ratliff kids, because they're supposed to be... you know i They're definitely like clear Zoomers, right? And the three of them are sort of, if you think about it, they're very...
00:32:52
Speaker
he kind Mike White is kind of doing a post-woke season because last season they had that guy who was so awkward, the son of the like the misogynists, remember?
Speculation on White Lotus Plot Twists
00:33:06
Speaker
he the same guy from the the Menendez brothers? Oh, no. No, it's not the same guy. He looks very similar. like very simple But Mike White was doing like a sort of like a commentary on like woke and that because like yeah yeah dad was a misogynist but the son was like overly you know whatever. but like he Ultimately, the son... like was also sort of a, anyway, whatever.
00:33:34
Speaker
These kids, these zoomers are like, all three of them are sort of like post woke, like Piper's really into like religion. There's, i don't know, whatever. i don't know where i'm going with this point. Just my point is, is they're like prototypical zoomers. Like it does seem like they're not, they're not really dealing in those politics at all. No, they don't. So yeah.
00:33:58
Speaker
um so yeah But yeah, I guess I'm, I'm interested to see what happens with the three friends too. I'm interested to see if there's something that hasn't been revealed yet about them. Like if there was some sexual competition or jealousy at some point in their past or. Yeah.
00:34:17
Speaker
We should, we should mention as well, like the, I mean, the people who are listening who've watched it will know, but like the first episode kind of like starts with like a flash forward where i like there's,
00:34:29
Speaker
there's some kind of like gun man or something in the hotel that we don't see. um Right. the Features like the son of the masseuse. So we know that it's like building up to this like violent event and we just kind of don't really know how it gets that yet.
00:34:43
Speaker
um But knowing Mike White, it's going to be like, it's not going to be what we like think it is, you know? Yeah. Well, I don't know what I think it is. I'm not that smart. I don't think.
00:34:57
Speaker
But, I mean, I think it could be something as silly as, like, it's the monkeys. Like, the monkeys get a hold of the gun. or like i could Yeah, I could believe that. Because you hear horror stories about monkeys doing shit like that.
00:35:11
Speaker
but Like, I've heard stories. I will, like, I hate monkeys. I'm just pointing it out there. I really, really hate them. i don't think they're cute. I think they're disgusting and scary. and they will, like, rip your face off.
00:35:23
Speaker
And I would be very cautious around any monkey ever. um But you read all kinds of stories about monkeys, like ransacking villages and stealing people's babies and all kinds of shit. So yeah, I i didn't think about that. But now I'm kind of like, yeah, it's definitely the monkeys.
00:35:40
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I just think it could it's it's always... Because like in the first season, it ended up being like... a semi-accidental killing, you know? And then in the second season, it's like Jennifer Lawrence or just, oh my God, Jennifer Coolidge dies. But like in the end, she's not actually murdered. No, it she's just like a, she falls off that boat like an idiot.
00:36:04
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. You keep calling it Jennifer Lawrence. I was just watching, um, like Candace Owens has been doing this series about, um, Blake Lively and ryan Reynolds.
00:36:15
Speaker
Um, but she just math listen yeah So she released an episode that I think yesterday where she's talking a lot about Hugh Jackman and every time she wants to say Hugh Jackman she says Hugh Hefner the whole episode.
00:36:29
Speaker
So she's like Hugh Hefner did this, Hugh Hefner did that and it's like yeah. Idiot. It's definitely it's worth a watch. i I dislike her and like her at the same time. like i disagree with her on so much stuff but i do find her like um She's like a dog with a bone whenever she's interested in something and I find that so compelling to watch.
00:36:51
Speaker
Yeah, she's entertaining. She's not as smart as she thinks she is, but she's entertaining. what what side of What side is she on? Is she on like the other side? or No, she's on the Justin Baldoni side.
00:37:02
Speaker
course. She's also been doing this series about um i'm Harvey Weinstein, so of like that he wasn't like a rapist, which I have been saying for years. um What's your argument for that?
00:37:15
Speaker
there's no evidence that he raped these girls. I think that he is So basically when the whole Harvey Weinstein trial was going on, there was a podcast. I can't remember what it was called now.
00:37:26
Speaker
Um, but they basically had actors, um, performing like the court transcripts and they had like these two commentators. I think they were like an Irish couple were like talking about it.
00:37:39
Speaker
And there was like, There's no evidence that he raped these women. like I think he's a sleazeball, absolutely. And I think he has abused his power. But I don't think that he's responsible for...
00:37:52
Speaker
raping these women that he's being charged for. But, ah but regardless, I don't know. have to listen to that. Cause I felt like that was like, I mean, like as a lay person who hasn't really looked into it, it just seemed like of all the guys, he definitely, he's the one who definitely did it. You know what I mean? Like, that is it if you, if you really want to do like a deep dive into something, it's, it's very compelling once you get into it. But that was my, like,
00:38:22
Speaker
the COVID obsession. i was like obsessed during COVID with like the hot. Yeah. My, my impression was like, I mean, I did definitely have the thought, which I'm sure Candace Owen gets into that. There were certainly women who went into these situations, eyes wide open of like, yeah like what the deal was and like, we're willing to you know, like, yeah, like the casting couch thing. Like they kind of understood, they understood what they were doing. i mean, which I'm not saying is like a good system or whatever. I'm just, I'm just saying there were certainly people who understood like the quid pro quo, whatever that word is of what was going on. yeah I don't, I don't doubt that he's a creep, but I just don't think that he's a rapist, but like,
00:39:08
Speaker
I found it interesting during like the the Oscar um season this year that Georgina Chapman started like showing her face again sort of in public and trying to bring herself back. I don't know. Well, she's dating, isn't she dating Adrienne Brody? ah Yeah.
00:39:27
Speaker
Or they're married or something? i don't know if they're married, but um but yeah, she's been popping up a lot. I've been seeing her. I only really know her from like Project Runway when she used to be a judge, but Yeah. I mean, in a weird way, it kind of worked out for her because he got all his money.
00:39:44
Speaker
a hotter husband. And a hotter husband. And she got rid of like this old guy that she honestly probably married for money. oh for sure. Absolutely. Let's be real. We're going off topic, according to what we were up to. But it's fine. nice have little. It doesn't matter. It's nice to have a little natural diversions.
00:40:02
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, this season of White Lotus, everyone's saying it's slower. Everyone's saying it's like not as like fun, um whatever. But, I mean, they it is going to be the longest ah one. that he's ah He's gotten... he gets he he gets eight full episodes, so we are... um we're halfway through.
00:40:24
Speaker
um the la the second season was seven and the first season was only six. So, yeah um, they're giving him more and more space to like do what he wants. Um, I, would i'm I'm also excited for the next episode because the full moon party is like a big, like famous thing. Yeah. I know this from like, i know girls who've been on like gap years to like Thailand before they got to university. You've like talked about like filming parties and stuff.
00:40:50
Speaker
Um, I was got to say something then that's gone. No, I forgot. It'll come back. Oh my God. I'm trying so hard not to interrupt you. ah No, no, you're doing good. You're doing good.
00:41:04
Speaker
I complained to Q last week, last time we recorded because he interrupted me a lot, but he was very gracious about it. Well, it is true that we need to always have one person who, uh, who like doesn't know as much. it Yeah, that's true. Well, I definitely don't know quite as much about the White Lois.
00:41:21
Speaker
Um, well, I don't, okay. So I don't know a lot about the full moon party, but obviously having been to Thailand a lot, I've heard people talk about it. And my impression is like, that it's sort of like Thai Coachella kind of, right?
00:41:33
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. That's what think. Lots of girls in belly tops and fringe and bindies. Yeah. I mean, I'm looking at pictures of it right now and it really gives high Coachella. That's really the vibe I'm getting from it. Have you ever been to Coachella?
00:41:51
Speaker
No, I never, i would never. No. Have you ever been to like a music festival? I went to Bonnaroo once. Okay. I feel like I used to go to music festivals like every year when I was sort of in my like late teens and early twenties, but I feel like in the UK they're a bit,
00:42:08
Speaker
Um, do have to say it? They're a little trashier than they are in the state. Like they' they're not like Coachella in the UK. Um, I think mostly because of the climate. So you're like traipsing around, like covered in mud, like taking catmine and, um, stuff. But yeah, I don't know. mean, I i think for most people, that's what Coachella is.
00:42:29
Speaker
Hmm. I think that like there's a very small proportion of people, like the celebrities, who go who go to Coachella and they like copter in and they like stay in these like ultra luxury like houses in the Coachella Valley. But I think like most people at Coachella are like covered in mud like on ketamine. Oh, okay. Well, that makes feel little bit but Yeah. I don't i think like the average person's Coachella... I mean, like I would go to Coachella if I could have the experience I just described. like If somehow one of my friends...
00:43:00
Speaker
ah which is not going to happen at this age of my life. But if I happen to have a celebrity friend who was renting a beautiful mansion in the Coachella Valley, yeah and we could like get driven in each day and hang out and party and then go back to our beautiful clean mansion and like take showers and go to sleep and stuff. Yeah.
00:43:18
Speaker
In the way, I think like you kind of reach a point where you're too like old to be sleeping on the ground. And I sort reached that when I was sort maybe 26.
00:43:29
Speaker
But yeah, I kind of couldn't do a British music festival anymore unless I was glamping. But then the regular festival goers just look down on you if you're going and you're staying in like a luxury year or something. So um yeah, I don't know. I think my festival days...
00:43:44
Speaker
ah along with my partying days are long since over. And I'm okay. Yeah, mine are long gone. I did do it once, though. I did do Bonnaroo, which was really like we brought tents, we slept in tents.
00:43:55
Speaker
We did, like, the whole thing. I took a bunch of and drugs and ecstasy and partied and whatever. So I did it once. But I didn't even, i was, like, 19, and I didn't even love it that much then.
00:44:08
Speaker
like you know what i mean like i remember i remember all my friends went the next year again and i was like no i was like i'm good i don't want to go again yeah i of i started like going out like drinking and clubbing when i was like 15 so by the time i was like 21 i was fed up with it um so like festivals for me was like the one time of the year that I would have a big blowout and go all out. But then I just eventually just got tired of that too. Um, now I just want to play home, play home, stay home and play the Sims and drink with the cat. But yeah, I enjoy that much more Um, I was going to go on.
00:44:55
Speaker
Um, ah yeah, I, I guess I want to talk about Parker Posey's character because obviously for me as like sort of a, a little bit of a pill popper famously. um I find her performance very funny. i but I've seen some criticism online that like it's too over the top, but I think that like, we kind of like Mike White, like needs like one woman like that in every season, like in it. you Yeah. Coolidge. So like, she's obviously a famous character actress, like Jennifer Coolidge. She's like,
00:45:31
Speaker
always been sort of like an indie, more of an indie like person than a mainstream person. Again, kind of like Jennifer Coolidge. She always got sort of like bit parts, you know she's famous and enough, but has never really been this, like the center of like a big project. And I think Mike White is really good at finding those like,
00:45:54
Speaker
you know, aging actresses who like, uh, deserve like the aging actresses that gay men love who does deserve to have like a shining moment.
00:46:06
Speaker
Yeah, and I think that, like, I think when you have a show like that, it really needs that, like, comic relief element anyway. And I think she's definitely providing that. I find it really funny. Yeah, I mean, both her and Jennifer Coolidge and the show are sort of playing, like, drag queens almost. It's, like, it's, like, really fun to watch. And it's, like, you need that. and Because, yeah, otherwise the show, the show is a comedy, ultimately. i don't really think it's, I mean, I think it's sort of a dramedy. Yeah, I would agree, dramedy, for sure.
00:46:36
Speaker
um But yeah, I mean, as far as the whodunit, it's never really about that. um But I do think they're going to wrap, my guess is they're going to wrap up this Jennifer Coolidge storyline and like something is going to happen with Greg and Belinda, obviously, because like in the final scenes of the last episode, we see both Greg and Belinda Googling each other and like yeah like figuring out who they are. So obviously, and I think it's smart to draw that storyline to a close because it's like, ah it's like the fourth season. you Like I think Mike White is very, he's a very rigorous um artist. I do think he's, act unlike Ryan Murphy, I think he actually is an artist. And I think he is willing to like be hard on himself. Like I think it was hard for him
00:47:26
Speaker
kill Jennifer Coolidge but yeah he did it because he knew that like it would become lame if she was just like in every season and like it would just yeah i agree and I thought I thought it was to give her such a like sort of embarrassingly silly death as well. I thought was quite brave. Um, cause it's so silly.
00:47:47
Speaker
He's very brave. So he's going to bring this to a close, but let's talk about the thing we said we were each going to talk about in the beginning. Before we do that, like, I wanted, I just wanted to ask you like, cause I know like, um, one of my friends mentioned to me the other day, cause we were talking about white Lewis and he said that like, um, like he was talking about how,
00:48:06
Speaker
it's like heavily influenced by like survivor. Cause I know Mike White was on survivor. Yeah. twenty Yeah. And I was like, I don't, do you know anything about survivor? So in the UK, we only had like UK survivor for like one series and then they just never made another series. So it's not like a big thing in the UK.
00:48:23
Speaker
Um, I just wanted to know whether you had like seen it knew of him like on it or anything. No, I mean, I've watched all of Mike White stuff, like, because when i got into Enlightened, well, actually, I've been watching his stuff since high school. I just didn't realize it was all him. Like, i'm ah I've always been obsessed with Orange County.
00:48:42
Speaker
i thought i think it's such a fucking funny movie. haven't seen it. I liked School of Rock. You would love Orange County. you should watch it. I liked School of Rock, which was, like, kind of his, like, mainstream break.
00:48:54
Speaker
And then I loved Enlightened with Laura Dern. Also, I've never seen it. I was so depressed when um it got canceled. And if you're having any sort of like, if you listeners, if you're having any sort of like in White Lotus episodes, withdrawals, I would, I would recommend going to watch enlightened because you will kind of get your fix of like Mike White's style of comedy.
00:49:17
Speaker
yeah um and then Yeah, anyway, but no, I don't know a lot about Survivor. I know he's really into reality TV, and I i knew that he had been on Survivor and The Amazing Race. I know his dad was a pastor who like eventually came out as gay, um and they did The Amazing Race together. So I i know some things about him, but like i don't yeah I don't really know. i mean, I didn't watch Survivor ever before.
00:49:41
Speaker
um i know the basic sort of way it works but i mean i'm not a big reality tv person which is probably surprising for people to hear because i seem like someone who would watch a lot of reality tv but yeah i'm probably i am like quite a big reality tv person ish i would say um i don't know i like if it's kind of like a um sort of real housewives type show where you're like following people throughout their like real in air quotes lives.
00:50:14
Speaker
I can't watch British stuff. It has to be American. Cause I find it too embarrassing watching British people behave like that. Um, but if it's sort of more of like a game show thing, like big brother or whatever, I I'll always watch like the British version.
00:50:26
Speaker
Um, but I do, I do like a lot of reality stuff, but I just thought the survivor link was interesting. Cause, um, shows like that, like they deal a lot with, um, sort of putting people into sort of an unusual situation and sort of looking at how they behave and like, I don't know, it feels sort of thematically similar to White Lotus in that regard. But um yeah, the thing that we, the thing that I suggested that we maybe talk about like to finish on would be um obviously like every White Lotus has a different saying and a different kind of theme.
00:51:03
Speaker
And I kind of wanted to know like, Moving forward after like season four, what would be like your ideal setting for a White Lotus series? And what would be like your ideal like theme? Okay, so I have an easy answer for this because I'm on White Lotus Reddit a lot. So I've already talked with a lot of random Redditors about this, but I think it's time for a cold White Lotus.
00:51:26
Speaker
I think that we need a ski resort White Lotus. I think we need like a Swiss Alps. I think we need like and a Nordic... um White Lotus. I could definitely also see like a wellness spa like outside Reykjavik in Iceland where there's a and lights element.
00:51:48
Speaker
um But either way, I think it's time for a cold White Lotus. There's a few reasons for that. I think the fashion would be really fun. Yeah. um I think it would be really fun to see rich people in their like ski outfits. I think like with a cold setting, there's a lot of opportunities for mishaps on ski slopes and things like that. um I also think that it would just be aesthetically so different than what we've gotten so far, which are all these like kind of summery locations, like very summery locations. So I'd love to see like a winter
00:52:26
Speaker
location And these exist, of course. I mean, there's like luxury ski resorts all over the place. So anyway, that's my, that would be my wish. What about you? Okay. Oh, no, i want to know your theme as well. So what would like this sort theme be?
00:52:39
Speaker
Okay. So my theme, um, I would love to see Let me s think. Okay. So the first one was class. The second one was sex. This one's death.
00:52:53
Speaker
um
00:52:57
Speaker
don't know. That's hard. It is hard. I thought quite a lot about this. So to be fair, I did kind of like throw it in front of me. Well, you told me name, and then maybe that'll jog something in my room. Okay. So like my ideal load is saying, and I'm probably biased, but So in the UK, lot of those like really nice like Regency period countryside estates are now like wellness centers and like luxury hotels. So I kind of had the idea that they would do a season like in like a British country estate, like white Lotus wellness sort retreat thing.
00:53:31
Speaker
and Cause I, I don't know. I just, same as you, I think I'm kind of like, I'm bored of like the sunshine setting and I think it would be nice to be somewhere with like a different like weatherscape. Um,
00:53:42
Speaker
But also like aesthetically, it just appeals to me a lot more. I love like that, the architecture. Like I want like barber jackets and like Wellington boots and like Islamic extremism. And i yeah, I don't know. They're like riding on like horses. Yeah, and hunting accidents and like, yeah. I don't I can see that. I can see that.
00:54:03
Speaker
And then in terms of like the theme, i thought of like the theme of like pride. um Because I think the thing with White Littlers, obviously it's an American show. um So most of the characters tend to be American. I kind of like the idea of there's one of the big, oh, I've dropped my microphone.
00:54:22
Speaker
One of the like big differences that I noticed, because I know obviously a lot of American people, is that like Americans tend to exhibit like a sense of, national pride that is anathema to British people.
00:54:35
Speaker
um And that kind of distaste is sort of exemplified the further that person is to the left. So I think kind of throwing um maybe not necessarily sort of MAGA type Americans, but like very sort of like prideful Americans into like sort of quintessentially British setting, I think would be interesting. And I kind of think that the embarrassment that a lot of British people have about their like pride as a country and in their own like values is like ultimately going to be our downfall. And I think to sort of see that like play out on like a smaller scale would be like interesting. I don't know. Interesting. now I'm like, God, Biggie hits like such a good answer. Like what the fuck am I going to say?
00:55:22
Speaker
Um, I mean, i'm like looking up like seven deadly sins. um I did initially think like whether, whether he was going to try and do like the seven deadly sins, but then it doesn't really kind of map out quite that way. So.
00:55:37
Speaker
Well, and like all the characters, like constantly, like, like all the characters constantly like show the seven deadly sins. yeah for sure. So it's like a little bit like, I don't know.
00:55:50
Speaker
It's a little bit hard to... um I guess, i don't now i'm looking at this, I'm just going to go with one of these because i i haven't thought about it too deeply. But I would love to see... i guess the thing that came into my mind before I even Googled Seven Deadly Sins is I would love to see one that's like...
00:56:10
Speaker
about inheritance, like in the sense that like, you know, this very literal sense of like all of these people who are wealthy enough to go to these resorts are like going to be like heirs of some kind. Right. yeah um And then I think you could do a lot with inheritance. Like it's like a literal inheritance, like literal money. And then it's also just like, you know, the through line of like what we inherit from our genetic lineages and like our,
00:56:40
Speaker
lives and things like that. So I would love to see one that played with like kind of the inheritance aspect of wealth. Um, and then also the more like metaphorical inheritances sort of thing.
00:56:53
Speaker
yeah i think Also the other thing I wanted to ask was like, obviously, so like the first two seasons we have like Tanya as this character that kind of moves through from like one to the other. And then eventually she obviously dies at the end of season two do you think that there's a character in the current season that you can imagine sort of moving into the fourth season or do you think he's just gonna have a like a clean break with a new cast and if you do you think someone will move forward who do you think it would be
00:57:24
Speaker
Well, he could do something like bring someone from ah the ah previous season back, but I don't think there's anyone who he he's that interested in I think the obvious character, like I'm just thinking about what he would do, not necessarily what I would want, because like probably what I would want, because I'm just like a, you know, like I'm a consumer of this product, is probably what I would want is like, you know, Parker Posey's character to go on, but that would be Yeah. Well, I don't know. why I could, I could, I could envision like a scenario where she like remarries like very, very quickly. Cause she can't cope with being poor. um Yeah. Maybe, maybe that could happen. She remarries really fast she, whatever happens with all his money, they managed to work out some deal where like she gets a certain amount of money and they divorce. And then she, I would like to see Parker Posey in the British countryside to stay. I could definitely, I could definitely vibe with that. Oh,
00:58:22
Speaker
I think that the character that's most likely to come back is actually Carrie Coon's character. She's like the lawyer friend. Okay. Yeah. I just think that he's like, I can kind of tell like when he's, like I think he, I don't know. There's something about the way that she's shot in her storyline that I think he has like,
00:58:41
Speaker
the most empathy for her She's like, yeah she's the most underdog of the three friends. And I could see her coming back. I think selfishly, the the people I'd love back the most is definitely like Walter Goggins and that Chloe girl.
00:58:56
Speaker
um i would love to see him actually kill his dad's murderer and they somehow get away with it. And the two of them. yeah so I thought he was going to be like a rock star or something. Like when they were first introduced, you know, like a sort of musician that's kind of like,
00:59:11
Speaker
escaping the limelight because he definitely has that kind of, don't know, that look about him. I do like him though. I'd never seen him. The only other thing that I'd seen him in was like, They did like a Tomb Raider reboot movie with Alicia Vikander a few years ago and he's in that and it was awful. But I'd never seen him in any of the like media.
00:59:29
Speaker
They should get Alicia Vikander into the White Lotus because she's actually like the perfect example of like, they she's like an actress that they like really tried hard to make A-list, but she like, yeah that she never really, I mean, she's married to, who's that guy she's married to? No idea.
00:59:48
Speaker
She's very pretty, I'll give her that. i mean she's having an incredible life. So she's not like in any way, like a loser, but she never became like an, she's married to Michael Fassbender. I knew it was. some Okay.
00:59:58
Speaker
Michael Fassbender has one of those faces where like, unless I'm looking directly at him, can't remember what he looks like. Well, anyway, she's married to Michael Fassbender. They have two kids and they live in Portugal. So I'm sure her life is like absolutely fucking amazing. But um she never got like the career that, you know, maybe she wanted. Like she never became like a true like A-list actress. So I could see that. I think it'd be fun for him to bring her in.
01:00:24
Speaker
um I saw some people on Twitter saying that like Nicole Kidman should do it next and they should do it I don't want this. i don't want that at all. at all she's over she's way overexposed and i i just think the thing is is like the white lotus is not for a-list actresses like no it's not for a-listers it's for sort of like overlooked like character actresses so i mean like i'm trying to think of people i would like love to like see in the White Lotus but Nicole Kidman is not one she's just definitely not like I I like Nicole Kidman I think we've talked about her on the pod before and I've i've spoken about how I find her the face quite distracting in a lot of movies now but because she's kind of botched but um yeah I know I don't want to see that um trying to think who I would like to see I'm trying to I'm looking at like a list of character actresses right now I would love to see Juliette Lewis
01:01:23
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, definitely. She'd be good one. i love her. I used to love Juliet and the Licks. Yeah, she'd be great. I'm trying to think of other ones that would be funny.
01:01:36
Speaker
It would be fun for him to bring in, like, um someone like really random who's had like kind of a career dip, but like, like what if like Meg Ryan was like, yeah like, I, I like when he brings in like sort of like washed up, you know, like ah actresses who've had sort of like a ah big dip, but like maybe deserve like another, another shot. I always feel so bad for Meg Ryan. Cause she was like,
01:02:10
Speaker
whenever when i was a kid and she was like super famous like my dad she was like would be like my dad's perfect woman like if i if anyone ever like asked him who who his biggest like crush was it was mc ryan and then she just completely trashed her face and it just ruined her career yeah i mean the trial power will never just will never go away yeah i would also love to see like i could see someone another fun one that would be like misha barton like someone from like the like early aughts who really had a fall off. That would be fun to see.
01:02:45
Speaker
i loved Misha Botten. She needs to get skinny though. I don't know whether she's skinny at the minute. She's so up and down, but did you see the, speaking of millennials, did you see the new, um, did you see the new freakier Friday trailer?
01:03:03
Speaker
No, I, Does it look good? don't know. No, I mean, it looks like a made-for-TV movie, but I'm just, like, a forever Lindsay Lohan stan. Yeah, well I love Lindsay Lohan, too. I think she looks amazing, obviously. I'm happy she's clearly, like, well and, like...
01:03:20
Speaker
you know, whatever. Like, and I think it's funny that like, because she had such a rough time for a while, I think it's like nice that like kind of what she's doing is just like nostalgia.
01:03:31
Speaker
She's not, she's not trying to like break into something new. She's sort of just playing off her like nostalgia, you know, she's also, she's also genuinely talented. i don't think she's a bad actress at all. I think she's very watchable whenever you see her and stuff. So I, I don't know.
01:03:46
Speaker
she's She's cute. I like her. Anyway, I'm definitely going to go see it. i like Lindsay, just because I'm like a big supporter of Lindsay. I'd have that. She would even potentially be good in A White Lotus, but i it i it would be a big risk for her and for Mike White, because if it went badly, you know.
01:04:05
Speaker
Yeah, that's true. I do wonder whether the book will burst eventually, or whether it' will just end on high note. Well, I think Mike White is so... This is, like, what is disappointing about liking someone who's, like, a real artist and not, like... a right Like, Ryan Murphy will do American Horror Story until, like, the like until his death.
01:04:24
Speaker
Yeah. and Because he, like, he has, like, no scruples and no morals and just, like, wants... He just wants to make trash TV forever. But I think Mike White would would never do that. Like, I actually think he would, like, at some point, even if HBO was, like, begging him...
01:04:42
Speaker
to keep doing a White Lotus, I think Mike White would be someone who would be like, no, no, no, no we're not big little Lysing this. Like, we're not like, but we're not like beating this into the ground. Like, I think he would say like, it's, you know.
01:04:56
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. you like- He's like, he's been open enough. He's been open a ton about how he's like so rich now that like, it's not about money for him anymore. So I just, I just think he would stop.
01:05:08
Speaker
Did you watch, e do you still watch American Horror Story or did you give up a long time ago? Give up a long time ago. I was just curious, like, cause I, I remember when the first series came out, I loved it so much.
01:05:22
Speaker
And it just got progressively worse most and worse and worse. It's sad. The last one I watched, which actually was kind of fun, was I watched Apocalypse. And the only reason I watched it is because a bunch of reviews were saying it kind of is, like, back to, like, its early seasons, like, feel. yeah So I watched Apocalypse because I was like, okay, like, if they're saying... I really hate... I hated a lot of the ones that people really loved, though. lot I hated The Witches one, like, the third season. Yeah, that was bad.
01:05:48
Speaker
The Witches was... Everyone loves that one, but, like, that fucking... music in the background, like in that season, I like every time a hear it, I just like kill myself. You know, it makes it like la la la la. la Oh, hate it.
01:06:03
Speaker
Can't cope. Ryan Murphy is such trash. I mean, I'm not not going to pretend that I'm like not going to keep watching his slob. I know, but he's such a recurring theme in our lives. I feel like, I don't know.
01:06:14
Speaker
I mean, it's impossible not to watch because it's just like, it's like made for like gay guys. So like gay guys are always going to watch it, but yeah, agree. All right. You want to wrap it up? Yeah. And this is fun. they Have a nice time. All right. We'll see you guys soon. Bye. Bye.