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The Fog (2005)
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This week on the Everything Actioncast, Zach and Chris try not to get lost in The Fog, the 2005 remake of the John Carpenter cult classic that came out 20 years ago this week.
Tom Welling and Maggie Grace star as Nick Castle and Elizabeth Williams, two residents of Antonio Island. While the town is gearing up for its centennial celebration, a mysterious fog bank rolls in, bringing vengeful spirits seeking revenge for what the town's founding fathers did to them in the 1800s. Zach and Chris discuss the constantly shifting powers of the ghosts, how the fog only seems to come at night, abrupt cuts to Fallout Boy, the insane ending, and more.
You can watch The Fog (2005) on Tubi. Next week, we check into Motel Hell and discuss the 1980 horror comedy for its 45th anniversary.
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Podcast Introduction
00:00:03
Speaker
Welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the official podcast of EverythingAction.com.
00:00:18
Speaker
Hello and welcome to the Everything Action Cast, the podcast of the week of October 13th, 2025. I'm your host, Zach. And I'm your co-host, Chris.
Discussion on 'The Fog' (2005) Remake
00:00:26
Speaker
And this week we're entering the fog and talking about the 2005 remake of the John Carpenter cult classic.
00:00:32
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ah Because it came out 20 years ago this week, on October 14, 2005. what is one of them One of the many John Carpenter remakes that came out around this time period, that we had this, we had a new Asylum of Precinct 13, we had Zombie's Halloween. i don't know, I guess John Carpenter, I don't know if he needed money, or he's just like, I don't care. He's like, it the right season, we just like got was really cheap.
00:00:58
Speaker
I think that was it. I feel like at that time, he was experimenting in video games. He's wanting money for games. He's want to buy like whatever... What was Biggie 2005 for games?
00:01:11
Speaker
Xbox? Yeah, like I want to buy an Xbox 360. Maybe Xbox, and then... like I think it's in this era, we're like one year off from Xbox 360.
00:01:22
Speaker
Yeah, he just wanted to make music and play video games. He's like, yeah, sure. give Give me money.
00:01:31
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but think he just didn't play a lot of modern games and then he got into it because then after this he got into it. Oh yeah. That's pretty much all he does now. Now he's like a game producer and game designer which is great.
00:01:44
Speaker
But you gotta imagine this era of just like whatever film studio was approaching John Carpenter. And he was just like, okay, yeah, I don't care. He was just stamping them.
00:01:56
Speaker
Check please. And i I think he did no publicity, like anything around this time to, to say like, Hey, this is a movie I made. um I want to see this interpretation. I think this is the error where they pretty much had it like,
00:02:13
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mail John Carpenter like questions and then see if he replied. like The internet wasn't like quite the way we think it is. that like Back then wasn't the way. and then wasn't like... He might have attended a screening, but it was not making the news.
00:02:32
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i you know We were both around this era. This was right as like that high school era music for us began. and then the... ah But like, this is where your tastes sort of refine in this. Like for us, you know, like I, I didn't have access to a lot of horror movies in growing up.
00:02:53
Speaker
But then around this time, I had like a kick ass blockbuster. that I was able to use my Blockbuster rewards. So like what every two rentals, you just got like two extra rentals on movies that were older. And I remember seeing this in in Blockbuster. I'm like, one day I'm going to rent this.
00:03:10
Speaker
And that day never came until
Impact of Movie Rentals on Viewing Habits
00:03:12
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like now. Like, yeah you know, it just sat on my list. I think this movie sat in my like Netflix original instant like stream.
00:03:22
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And I just never wanted it like it just like never occurred to me to watch it.
00:03:27
Speaker
Until we decided to watch it on, like, what, the 20th anniversary? Yeah, to celebrate this wonderful movie. And then just be exactly what I thought it was.
80s Horror Remakes
00:03:39
Speaker
Well, outside John Carpenter, this is also just like, we this is like firmly in the era of just like, we're remaking every 80s and 90s, or like 80s horror movie.
00:03:48
Speaker
Because I mean, we had like, you know, My Buddy Valentine and ah Prom Night and Black Christmas. All these movies were getting remade around this time. was Wait, was this the start?
00:04:00
Speaker
Like, what was the first modern... They, like, Scream kicked off the, like, we're making Slash movies again. that was the 90s. But I'm saying, like, remake, remake of, like, hey, let's just buy remated things and just do it again.
00:04:13
Speaker
Yeah, not sure which one started it, but it was kind of like I know it kind of, like, the evolution was, like, oh, we ran, like, we don't want to make original Slash movies anymore. Like, we're just going like, remake old movies. So, yeah, they they started just, like, really, like, cranking it out, like, remakes. Yeah.
00:04:28
Speaker
And also just like bringing you back, I think like Halloween was H2O? were that Was that like around this time? Or was that earlier? and That was like the year prior. yeah Or maybe like two years prior.
00:04:42
Speaker
yeah i think Halloween H2O was... Really? Yes. I feel like that was later. and No, I think, you know what thinking of? Resurrection. Resurrection. Yeah. so Yeah. That was 2002. So yeah, that was, they're remaking like old movies or bringing, just like keeping it like other franchises like going.
00:05:01
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Well, if anything, this is where John Carpenter was just like, oh yeah, my movies. Uh, sure. Like it's a fire. It's already like a fire sale. You want to, want to remake this? Whatever.
00:05:12
Speaker
Like, I respect John Carpenter, I get it, but then there's also, like, there could have been some oversight this movie.
Critique of 'The Fog' Remake
00:05:22
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But again, I thought this movie wasn't going to be bad, and I think I'm just genuinely still, like, shocked how they just didn't use the source material correctly.
00:05:33
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And knowing that the original laser lays it out at a different pace, and it follows like a slightly different like perspective, but it's essentially the same story.
00:05:44
Speaker
But at least you understand like the rules, and you understand the um ah like the world. Here, it's like we're just kind of entering an episode of Dawson's Creek, and then yeah we just have no time to... like It focuses um focuses in so much about a love story,
00:06:05
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And then you just don't care about that. You're like, when's the goddamn fog going to roll They put the fog in the back burner until, like, really, like, the last, like, 30 minutes of the movie. Which is, like, not what you want. Yeah, because the original, the fog rolls in and it's in. Like, that that's that's it. Like, the fog is here for the whole entire movie.
00:06:27
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But, like, If you've never heard about this movie and you were expecting like fog monster creatures, you're better off watching The Mist. Which which is straight and i think came like two years after this and just like absolutely crushed any anything. Like that's such a better movie on every level.
00:06:45
Speaker
It's funny because um before we watched this, I definitely had a double check on which which like killer like cloud movie we're going to watch. And I was like, oh is it The Mist? Like because I was like kind of geared up for that. I was like, oh I can watch The Mist and talk about it.
00:07:00
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And then I realized, oh, crap, it's The Fog. It's the other one.
00:07:05
Speaker
And this isn't like, this is sort of like that Armageddon deep impact thing where you get very similar concepts of mr mysterious thing in in a obscure, like, I guess, weather? Yeah, weather phenomenon, and then there's like stuff in the web like in there stuff in the mist, in the fog that's killing people.
00:07:26
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And then it takes place in a bottle setting where everything is in a place where you just can't drive away so easily.
00:07:36
Speaker
Though, there's something, i got questions later about this town, but I do like that in this version, it does take place in an area that is known for more fog and like fishing than the original that took place in like North California, where that was like a coastal village compared to a town that is basically remote.
00:08:04
Speaker
Yeah, it's weird it's weird the original was like Northern California when it seems like it should have been like Seattle or something or like somewhere under Oregon or something. or even Maine. Yeah. or ma yeah it was a Steve King novel, then it would have been Maine. Oh yeah, i think I think for them to distinguish, I think the Miss book came out first and then John Carpenter was like, that's a cool idea.
Comparisons with Other Films
00:08:24
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let me do this where it's like a zombie movie but the zombies are covered or like they have to approach by... you know, like a ah ah mysterious like fog.
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah, like zombie pirates, kind of. Yeah, yeah, solid premise. If if anything, Pirates the Caribbean, this is like an unofficial Pirates of the Caribbean movie. The original one, yeah. Yeah. and then but then But then it doesn't it doesn't help to remake that Pirates the Caribbean 1 came out like you're two years before this.
00:08:55
Speaker
Yep. 2003. It's like, oh, this like here's like really great looking like zombie pirates
00:09:04
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like done professionally done with like in context and period piece, they could have still been pirates, um, or like buccaneers or whatever the term was, because this movie is all about like, I guess like colonial greed or privateering for like a good cause.
00:09:26
Speaker
Um, So we'll we'll dive into the ah opening where it just it's it's like. We hope you like slow-mo because it starts slow-mo like terrific in the beginning.
00:09:42
Speaker
And it's so it's like if you've never seen the movie, like if you haven't seen the remake, ah it's confusing of what's going on because it is, it does delve more into the backstory.
00:09:53
Speaker
Yeah. there is no preface of like what's going on. You just see random shouting. For all you know, it looks like one of those like, um British, like, no, no, like a Boston reenactment party gone wrong. Yep, like a Boston Tea Party thing.
00:10:09
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, like, it's like, oh no, used too much kerosene, and now the effects are just burning down the boat. ah Because then, like, before we can really grasp what's going on, it cuts to, like, present day, and then plays Fall Out Boy, and you're like, what was that? what was Can we go back to that?
00:10:25
Speaker
Yeah, that cut was hilarious. Like, that was probably one the biggest laughs of the movie I was watching, and it was like, oh my god, we're definitely in 2005.
00:10:35
Speaker
yeah just cover The cut from the 1800s to like, we're going downtown. Now, here's the question. Do you think in one of the original cuts of this movie, they didn't have that opening scene?
00:10:49
Speaker
it It literally starts with a fallout boy, and then it's, you know... it goes with it does the movie make sense i don't know if that's the opening scene adds that they didn't explain they don't because they get into it later just explain it all again later so i don't know what yeah the opening scene even is needed why yeah so was that just a pad the run time just to add in the footage and then just slow it down like kind of add like a opening scare because there's the whole thing where that the guy was like there's something in the water and then he gets pulled into the water by like
00:11:20
Speaker
Like, but I guess it's like the people on the boat instant instantly turned into like but ghost zombies because they like they're in the water. or They pull a guy into the water. But who was the one they pulled into the water?
00:11:33
Speaker
I think it was ah
00:11:37
Speaker
will like the Williams ancestor, David Williams. So like, I guess his family lived on the island like he didn't come back. But then the the ghosts okay now we're gonna get into spoilers a little bit later remember this because this this comes back in a very bizarre what reason who's related to what thing okay so we'll skip that until like we get to the meat of it well that's why it's like it's you think the opening is like oh this is like the origin which i mean it kind of is like the like oh this is how why there's like
00:12:14
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you know, vengeful ghosts, but then the ghosts are already already exist, or they, like, instantly became ghosts. Yeah, it happens too soon. Like, it's so, unless it wasn't a ghost, and that literally was just, like, ah got someone in the water, just super, like, oh, you thought I wasn't a good swimmer? Yeah, I have leprosy, but I'm im a good swimmer still.
00:12:37
Speaker
If anything, losing limbs has made me, like, like, aerodynamic, like, aqua-dynamic. All the holes in my skin. I'm running away, all the things that are running away makes me more aerodynamic.
00:12:50
Speaker
Oh god. But, uh, again, the opening didn't really explain anything. If anything, it sets up such a, like, big payoff that you have, like, okay, we'll sit through this until, like, the fog rolls in and sort of brings this up again. We'll come to like later but back to this later, I guess.
00:13:09
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Yeah, well, just like us, I was like, we don't want to spoil it for you. However, at least we're sort of like skipping other details to get to the point of like why they later explain this.
00:13:21
Speaker
And it just it's only for like three characters who don't know what's going on on the island. Like, it seems like everyone else knows what's up about the history because they the either attended a meeting or they went into the town's historical society and, like, read the painting. You know, like, because it doesn't make sense that, like, everyone knows the town's secret except, like, the three people from, like, the latest generation.
00:13:54
Speaker
I also don't understand how the fog is just generally pissed off at everybody it meets. And the first thing it meets, I think, in the opening, after the initial opening, and then the, you know, ah sorry, the cold open, and then that night, like, the fog rolls in and kills, like, a dog.
00:14:17
Speaker
Yeah, but it's weird there's a lot of weird stuff for, like, the it's there's stuff that happens where, like, the fog's not even, like, rolling in. It's just, like, the... the fog can like reach like past itself or something. like people Things are affected by the fog, but the fog's nowhere close to where it's happening.
00:14:36
Speaker
yeah like It's not like the fog, like like the boat rolled in with the ghost pirates and then did this. it It seemed like ah now and then the fog is playing pranks.
00:14:51
Speaker
It's sort like, I'm coming. I'm going to get you. I'm going to get you. And not this night. Because that that's like one of the weird weirdest things about the the remake is that, yeah, the fo so the fog rolls in one night and then um you've got, like, ah attacks like it attacks like people on a boat. and then it But then it rolls out again.
00:15:11
Speaker
and then you have an entire day of just, like, sunshine where there's no fog, nothing's happening. And then it rolls back in the following night. So it's like, it only happens at night?
00:15:22
Speaker
Only happens at night. Only happens when you're isolated. And then, like, it also chooses you more if you're related to the ghosts.
00:15:34
Speaker
Like, if you are part of the problem. yeah like Or not. Yeah. who don't yeah sometimes Sometimes. Sometimes not. And then also, like, the ghosts' methods of killing people just, like, constantly change. There's no you can't there's no grasp of, like, what they can do or, like, what their powers are.
00:15:50
Speaker
Because sometimes they're invisible, sometimes they're zombies, sometimes they're ah like transparent ghosts. Sometimes they have a death touch, sometimes they don't.
00:16:03
Speaker
Sometimes you could drive a car through them, your car's just fine. Sometimes they stab people. um Sometimes they have like telepathy. Yeah. They have kinetic energy that allows them to control glass.
00:16:19
Speaker
which I think they spent a lot of money on the concept of that, and then they just forgot to like finish it, because that that that CGI i shot is rough. And that that's almost PG-13-esque, PG-13 scene in the movie, because it's like, it's like this guy's getting impaled by glass, there's no blood anywhere.
00:16:35
Speaker
Oh, it's like the cleanest like yeah ah glass like attack. I think X-Men First Class, when Magneto passes a coin through Sebastian Shaw's head.
00:16:47
Speaker
Yeah. It has way more blood and gore effects on that. And that movie's only like... Four years away from this? As a PG-13? Yeah, this is
00:17:03
Speaker
yeah this is this is like so like this is so sanitized.
00:17:08
Speaker
it's not like barely barely a blood yeah like all it's like No like really gruesome
Character Analysis in 'The Fog' Remake
00:17:14
Speaker
kills. its like like guess I guess the most gruesome thing is like the ant later on.
00:17:19
Speaker
like to The death touch. That is like almost a... If it wasn't so bony, it would have been just like a Goosebumps like mannequin falling on ground.
00:17:35
Speaker
If anything, you feel bad for the aunt, because out of everybody, she's, like, super innocent. She didn't find any lost treasure. she didn't She didn't mess with, like, the town people. She didn't, um... She's, like, taking care of Stevie's kid.
00:17:51
Speaker
And then, she's more like a neighbor, you know? Like... She just got dragged into this. She just was with Jeopardy all day. Yeah.
00:18:03
Speaker
Uh... okay Okay, so we established that the the ghosts have no rhyme and reason. Okay, what if there is a rhyme and reason with like Maggie Grace and Tom wilington tom Welling?
00:18:16
Speaker
Maybe maybe like they did something in the past. Maybe they they discovered some sort of like secret and then they decided to like keep it a secret again and then that's why maybe she left town or whatever.
00:18:30
Speaker
That's not the case. that's um It's like... It's funny to think that because based on the remake, there was a certain like structure they had. They had to follow it.
00:18:41
Speaker
And they're like, all right, well, we need Nick Castle. He needs to be this like almost like an 80s guy in the 2005 era.
00:18:52
Speaker
And he is. He's just sort of like a pretty man ah but doing chartered boat tours. Chartered boat tours, yep. um And then just picking up ladies, even though he has a girlfriend who's like, i won't ever see her. That was six months ago. Like, she's totally gone.
00:19:08
Speaker
she's She's three thousand miles away. And then she barely walked 3,000 miles back. Now she's back on the island. Right, so Elizabeth is a manic pixie dream girl because she just up and left to go to New York and then just up and comes back unannounced.
00:19:23
Speaker
with With no bags. Just like walked walk with just the clothes on her back, walked back to the island. I guess you have to assume she took the ferry to get back the island because there's no other way to get on the island. But then just this like walking aimlessly like in the night on the road. Okay, but then I can't say that Is it just the south part of the island?
00:19:42
Speaker
Whatever island this is? Because there are there's a highway road. Yeah. And then, later on in the movie, there's a, like, truck. like a Like a big rig that drives to that town.
00:19:56
Speaker
Yeah, was what yeah they the big rig gets on a ferry and goes to the town for some reason. I guess they gotta get deliveries, somehow. So maybe there' maybe there's a truck. guess maybe the big rig? just... I don't know.
00:20:08
Speaker
like I just think this town is trying to act more remote than it is, but then you have like common and like services that...
Town's History and Its Impact
00:20:16
Speaker
like True remote towns are just like, everything's off by a cargo container.
00:20:20
Speaker
I guess that's like the town cargo big rig that goes up and down. But they're also they're also expecting like hundreds of tourists to come in for their centennial celebration.
00:20:32
Speaker
now The town's like, yeah, we all these tourists yeah we got the statute needs to be ready for this all the tourists are going to show up to our town and celebrate our town. So I got to see the original to see if they also did this big deal out of a centennial.
00:20:47
Speaker
it was ah It was a centennial yeah in the original one, too. It was, right? Yeah, but i don't I don't think it ever got to, like, the actual... I think it was, like, the night before. It never actually got to the centennial celebration.
00:21:02
Speaker
Because it was like, oh it's going to be the next day. And then it's just like, oh no, the fog's here.
00:21:10
Speaker
So but my question is like, in the original, do they do that thing, like almost like a Jaws thing, where it's like, we have to prep the town. like This is our big like town event. this is We'll put this town on the map. i don't yeah I don't think there was as much of the town elders being like, the town elders being like oh man, you're so good for business.
00:21:36
Speaker
but like Not like this one where you have like that like group they they have the group, they have Eliza's mom and then the other like the the mayor and then the mayor's son who's like a drunken priest.
00:21:51
Speaker
Okay, if your town's only priest is some drunkard wandering around aimlessly... aimlessly spray painting mausoleums did he do that?
00:22:03
Speaker
I think there's a hint that he has like red paint in his hands you see it a little bit so I think he spray painted that tomb I thought like someone else did and he just was like oh I've been trying to clean it up and like I can't everyone's been bringing up or whatever and and I'm trying to hide it but it's like eating away at him that's what but like he's allowed to be like the town drunk Yeah.
00:22:29
Speaker
Well, he he's the only one that seems to know, like, he knows, like, the dark history of the town. and And the elder's like, our ancestors were great. They found this town, and, like, it's it's great.
00:22:41
Speaker
Yeah, but, like, no one in the town questioned it. They're like, whatever. Well, apparently no one pieced together, like, those like the photos that they pieced together at the at the bar later, where it's like, oh, look, what this one year, there was basically no town, and a year later, it was, like, giant town.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, it's just pretty hilarious to think that. but like But it's like on the town center like historical thing, the um ah like the burning boat and all that. oh yeah like the the like Oh yeah. Wasn't that hidden behind like something? and they so like someone hid that? They put a bookshelf in front of it?
00:23:22
Speaker
Did they? i feel like i feel like when like the ghosts started tossing stuff around, is like when that like ah got revealed, it's like, oh shit.
00:23:30
Speaker
it's like this This painting was on the wall the entire time. I missed that. But then, who the hell painted that? Did the the like founders come back and we're like, okay, guys, we need a document this.
00:23:42
Speaker
This horrible thing we did. Unless they were like treating it as like a big like heroic thing. like Well, we had to fight the evil lepers and we burned their evil ship to the into the ground and we escaped with all the riches and built the town.
00:23:58
Speaker
See, I feel like that's like a, uh, like a Simpsons thing I've seen, where it's like, who says what history, you know? it's like Shelbyville, and then, or it's like the... The, like... I see Terry episode where, like, Lisa finds out the truth about Gemini Springfield, and he's like a pirate. That's it.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah, he's like this, like, uh, terrible person, and then she continues to leave the truth.
00:24:22
Speaker
Yeah, it's literally that. I think they stole that from the fog. Yeah, mm-hmm. But somehow they did it wrong in this version? weird because it seems like they're trying to make like the ghosts more sympathetic, I guess, or something? Or like they're like they got
Ghosts and Supernatural Elements
00:24:44
Speaker
wronged?
00:24:44
Speaker
like You're trying to try to like make it like more like implicit that they got wronged greatly, and that's why they're like looking for your revenge?
00:24:56
Speaker
Because like they oh they're they're like they're like killing women children and like stealing their toys and like personal objects. Okay, yeah. In this one, they really do lean into it more.
00:25:07
Speaker
ah but But the ghosts are just like kind of assholes. you know they're They're just killing whatever. They're like, oh, is that a Girls Gone Wild video being filmed there? like No, you're not. And then, is that a dog? No, you don't. They're just whatever they get their hands on. And that loses the sympathy points that it's trying to build.
00:25:26
Speaker
Blood for blood.
00:25:31
Speaker
Something if the ghost showed up and was like declaring like vengeance on the town and then it's like, okay, at least that's like, oh, they're just generally pissed. But as soon as they find out like a relative is there, they like they they do like weird stuff. They're like, okay, let's like torment them. Let's let's let's make them read like proclamations.
00:25:53
Speaker
Yeah, it it seems like they yeah they would they want to kill the descendants of the four guys that showed up on the boat and killed them all. But if if people are in their way, they'd also kill them, too. But then sometimes they'll possess dead people to give warnings.
00:26:09
Speaker
i Yeah, yeah i guess I guess. And I guess they they can also, like, even when the fog's not in town, they can, like, psychically make you fall off a like, a ah a piece of wood and fall into the water and almost drown.
00:26:26
Speaker
so so was That was in a dream, right? She fell into an actual... like She was in she was in like Tom Welling's boathouse. and then yeah she's just like she has the She's watching the video from the attack on the ghost of a wild boat before.
00:26:41
Speaker
and then she's like walking across like this narrow plank of wood and she falls off. But it seems like she was pushed off by a supernatural force of the of the of the fog or the ghost or whatever.
00:26:52
Speaker
And then she's having like her visions of her like the other the the woman that drowned in the 1800s. And she's like getting like like wrapped up in seaweed and drowning. but then that But that was all seemed like a point or two, the diary that's in the like but loose stones.
00:27:11
Speaker
Because the bow house used to belong to like the Patrick Malone, of the founders. And he hid his diary in there.
00:27:20
Speaker
which which is like where Maggie Grace gets all of her clues of what actually happened.
00:27:28
Speaker
Yeah, that that makes sense, but then it's like, for for what the movie later does, it's not like she is reliving that memory. If anything, the ghost is sort of like, being like, huh? like Don't you feel sorry for us?
00:27:45
Speaker
Yeah, it seemed it seemed like yeah they they like like pushed her into the water, kind of. to like But and but then they also almost drowned her, but the main point was to like have her like find the the journal and then learn the truth.
00:28:00
Speaker
In the most violent way that yeah you can think of? Yeah. See, that's that's where I'm like... The ghosts are still mad. And then it's like, oh, they they don't know, like,
Narrative Flaws in 'The Fog' Remake
00:28:12
Speaker
sympathy. They're just sort of like, oh, we've been waiting to do this.
00:28:16
Speaker
But it needed rules because Tom Wellington is the one that Tom Welling. Yeah, Welling. Yeah, he. He's the one where his boat... Well, technically it was Spooner. Spooner releases the ghost by basically kicking up a bag full of, like, hundred-year-old treasures that have been sitting at the bottom of ah the lake.
00:28:42
Speaker
Yeah, it's like one specific bag that, like, the four guys dropped when they, like, were leaving the boat in the 1800s. It was, like, all the, like, personal... They still, like, Captain Blake's wife's hairbrush, and then, like, a music box from a kid, and, like, um, was, like, I can't remember, I don't know if they were, like, bones, it was, like, a whistle or something, maybe? don't know, there was, like, thing. don't know what that was. I don't know what that was, but, but, yeah, that seems to, like, because the anchor caught that and, like, dragged it up, like, that kind of, like, kicked off the ghost coming back, because it's, like, you disturbed our, you disturbed our items.
00:29:23
Speaker
You disturbed our garbage, like, And it's not like it was the journal. It's not like it kicked up the journal, then like someone reads it, Evil Dead style, and then it summons the ghosts or anything.
00:29:38
Speaker
I don't know in the original if it does that too. I think in the in the original, um they like like the father like Father Malone finds the the journal in the in church, and then he starts reading it.
00:29:51
Speaker
But don't think there's i don't think there's like a um I don't think that causes the... Like, the Seahawks come back. they It's just they show back they show back up because it's been 100 years since they died. And now they're now they're but now they're back to get revenge.
00:30:07
Speaker
there's There's no, like you know like, cursed items or anything in the original. one It's just the fog rolls in and it's like, oh, there's pirate ghosts now.
00:30:17
Speaker
Yeah, and they're just like, hey, check this thing. ah I mean... Fine. Because the movie also points out that people later on are bringing the townspeople are finding these like antiques and bringing it into the society so that they can collect it all one spot for the centennial.
00:30:38
Speaker
So it like i understand if you're the ghost and you're like, how dare they celebrate this because they think they're they're like They're trying to think that this was like a good thing that helped bring the like the town together from their like personal belongings and riches because they wanted establish leprosy.
00:30:58
Speaker
Which... um ah We can go back that they were blaming the Chinese in this movie. like The historian was like, well, the Chinese brought leprosy and then, you know...
00:31:12
Speaker
we they were trying to do big trade here, and then i guess Blake Williams, or Blake... i Yeah, Captain Blake. He wanted he want to buy half the island to set up Leopard Cali.
00:31:25
Speaker
And that was the deal. But then they backt they backed out the deal. and now So that i guess like then, then the Founding Fathers like built the town where the Leopard Cali were going to be.
00:31:37
Speaker
So they had the entire island. And then i guess, yeah, there was some story that got made up of like, well, yeah, this this group of lepers like like showed up and then they disappeared.
00:31:49
Speaker
No one knows what happened. wo
00:31:56
Speaker
think I think that was all revealed Maggie Grace was basically like being like Nancy Drew and just like drew like walking around town it's like trying to solve a mystery. Yeah,
Centennial Celebration and Plot Impact
00:32:06
Speaker
yeah. like that but like the the date Like, the entire day where like there's nothing happening like there's no fog happening? Yeah, so a lot of movies, I think in the original, it's like one night all this happens. Yeah, it all happens in one one night, yeah.
00:32:18
Speaker
This is like four days. It's like a lot of, a lot of all the side plots go on They, they really try to focus in on. Well, Tom, Tom just disappears for like the middle part of the movie. He's just like, he's just like working on his boat or something. Cause it's, it's all just, but it's ah it's all just Maggie Grace is like walking, like wandering around and be like, I'm going to, I'm look up these like, ah like, like, like ah was like the sterling silver marks that were on the the, like the watch and, and then like look up like, uh,
00:32:49
Speaker
history in the historical society and then go to, like, finds the journal and then goes to the bar and discovers all that stuff. Mm-hmm. Well, I think also they're trying to prove that Spooner was innocent, because Spooner's, like, Girls Gone Wild video was, like, suspicious, so then...
00:33:05
Speaker
Yeah, everyone everyone but him is dead, and then he hid in the boat's freezer for who knows how long, hours. and But then he's still alive. I don't know how he didn't hypothermia or anything, but he's he's good.
00:33:22
Speaker
Also, like why did the ghost... ah like throw the bodies like in specific specific spots. you know They're just like, okay, we're going put the one guy in the bunk, and then we're going to put two girls like in the cargo net. The guy in the bunk had seaweed around his net. We're going to make this like very theatrical.
00:33:44
Speaker
Wrap seaweed around his head and like make it look like he was washed up on shore. Throw the girls in a net.
00:33:53
Speaker
but But I guess because the fog couldn't penetrate the the freezer... That's why Spooner lived, because they couldn't get to him.
00:34:03
Speaker
If the fog can't get in, then you're safe, I guess?
00:34:08
Speaker
Also, don't kiss the fog, because as we find out later, that's another problem. Yeah.
00:34:15
Speaker
But then, like later on, like the fog has like extremely like caustic properties, where it's like it's like melting the statue. True. ah it so It depends on what it wants to do, and be like, okay, sometimes it turns on its acid and melts, like, people's, or gives everyone leprosy, but then it can give leprosy to freaking, like, copper? Or, like, metal? Whatever the stat she's made of, yeah.
00:34:49
Speaker
And I don't know if it, like, did it blow up cars? Or, like, like were there just, like, a bunch of just, like, head-on collisions? like call like Because, like, they're walking around town, and it's, like, an apocalyptic wasteland where there's, like, cars that fire everywhere later on.
00:35:03
Speaker
so I don't know if, like, the fog did that? Or, like, is it just, like, people were just having crashes because they couldn't see? it's, like, so many cars exploded? Maybe. It's, like, all, like, obscured by, like, the fog.
00:35:16
Speaker
there' Sometimes the fog acts like regular fog. Yeah, there's there's so many car crashes this movie because of the fog. That's like the main thing that happens. Yeah, the the car crashes are like a um like a second antagonist.
00:35:31
Speaker
It's like some of Blake gets hit by... Some of Blair gets hit by a big rig that doesn't stop. It just sort of, ah, whatever, keeps going. flips her off the road she falls down a cliff and crashes into the like the ocean and she's sitting on the bottom of the the ocean floor and then we don't see her escape she's like walks she's up there like man like gotta get out of that mess yeah she she brushes that off like not a problem no injuries like but i don't think she's wet is she even wet but she goes back up
00:36:07
Speaker
like she She had this like smash out her like window of a car, like, swim back to the town. Walk back to town. and I mean, listen, if Elizabeth can do it, you know, Stevie can do it.
00:36:25
Speaker
Just walk back to this town that I can't tell circular or linear. Yeah, i think I think it's a big loop. I think it's just like a big loop around the island.
00:36:37
Speaker
But they do, like, ah the original and this one, like, her radio station is, like, a light a lighthouse. So they keep that... Which is part of constantly being hit on by Dan the Weatherman. Which I think is also from the original, too. ah dan Dan the Weatherman's death is by the best death of the movie, where he gets exploded.
00:36:55
Speaker
oh yeah. That one is different, because it's, like... It's sort of his fire that starts it. He he brings, like... It looks like a modern lamp with batteries, but then somehow it's, like, gas-powered.
00:37:08
Speaker
Yeah, well, well the the fog... Fog slash ghosts, like, like destroy the generator. Or, like, they destroy... like just They take take out the power the in the island. So, like, all the power's down.
00:37:20
Speaker
So then, that yeah, that's why... Except except for his laptop, he's like where he's like, oh, batteries! But then, how is he how they still having, like, an internet, like, chat? Because... Would the internet be down if there's no power?
00:37:33
Speaker
They don't know that. Well, that that was hilarious. of Where he's like, wow, can you can you believe we're talking to each other on a computer? ah for 2005 streaming cam. that That is crystal clear.
00:37:47
Speaker
ah Like Google Hangout cam quality. What's going on? I mean, was Skype around 2005? Or what were they using? It kind of was, but it might have been before Skype really took off.
00:38:06
Speaker
yeah That was just like hilarious. That was hilarious. People was like, they have the internet computers now.
00:38:14
Speaker
Well, it's also weird because like the way they use the internet and like the webcam thing, it was more of a super novelty than actual like practicality.
00:38:25
Speaker
Uh,
00:38:27
Speaker
You get to this part where, like, Dan just, like, I sent you this camera so I can watch you work and hit on it remotely. And yeah she's just, like, okay. like Sure, yeah. you You don't need to install that camera. It's not, like, a please do it for your job.
00:38:42
Speaker
No.
00:38:45
Speaker
I was, i was so speaking of like, internet stuff, I was shocked they were able to use, like, actual Google. Well, that was before Google really blew up, I guess. So it was just cheap license. But then Maggie Grease ends up on a GeoCities page for like old... It's like old old hallmark... like Old sterlingsilvermarks.geocities.com
00:39:09
Speaker
It's just like ah like a crappy... It's just like screenshots and like like like text. It's just like ah ah like super old like website. Mm-hmm. But then the ghosts are like, that's enough internet time for you?
00:39:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, we haven't mentioned, like, the ghosts are like, ah one of their current things is that is like the they short-circuit computers and they flash the word Dane on the screen.
00:39:35
Speaker
and people and But no one, I don't think anyone, does anyone even comment on it? Like, no one even mentions like, oh, did you see that word Dane on the screen? No, no, they don't they don't. No one tells each other they've seen weird stuff.
00:39:46
Speaker
Until, like, it's too late.
00:39:50
Speaker
think like I think Stevie's the one who like all her child artwork is like burnt with the symbol of the boat. Yeah. Like the... What was it? that The scale?
Symbolism and Artifacts
00:40:03
Speaker
Scales, yeah. But the scale is for...
00:40:10
Speaker
It's weird because it shouldn't have been... Is that like Blake's sigil?
00:40:17
Speaker
it's it's it's It's like the mark on all the like artifacts. like it's it's It's like a scale and two other symbols. and That's where Maggie Rates puts together like, oh, this this is what this these symbols mean.
00:40:29
Speaker
But then people are like, one of the girls going wild is like drawing it like is just drawing it like on the window when the window fogs over on the boat. She draws a scale. Yeah, why does she do
00:40:42
Speaker
Wikipedia says because she got possessed, but then it's like, that seems like very, like, like, very, like, maybe that kind of, that makes sense, right? Yeah, it seems like a pull there, Wikipedia.
00:40:52
Speaker
Because I'm thinking, like, is she part of the town? And she's like, ooh, this is like, I've seen this in a dream. Something.
00:41:04
Speaker
Well, Maggie Grace saw it in a dream. That's why she, like, that's why she came back to town, because she was having, like, the dreams of, like, people burning and ah her drowning. I thought she got those dreams before she came back.
00:41:14
Speaker
Yeah, that's what I know. yeah She got up. She got him in New York City. and that's but That's why she came back. but She's like, I have to. This seems like relate to like home. I think I'm my home and figure out what's going on. I thought it was like she got it as she came back.
00:41:26
Speaker
You know, would have been a better opening. You do the cryptic boat opening. Then you do like ah Maggie Grace wakes up from a ah dream and like, oh,
00:41:37
Speaker
and you go back. Like, that that makes sense. You can make it dreamlike. It seems so real, because maybe she was there. You know, like, that that's the way to structure it.
00:41:48
Speaker
And because the original didn't have the time and the patience to do that, but in the remake, they can. They can really, like, take the time. how about How about they also... I love how they dress her in, like, she wears like ah like a British like redcoat jacket.
00:42:05
Speaker
but And then that it's supposed like look like the same jacket that like but the person, like, the woman drowning is wearing. so it's like, yeah get it? I didn't know that. Get it? i thought that was just, like, her manic pixel pixie dreamer, like, look of just, like, I'm quirky.
00:42:21
Speaker
Yeah, I wear, like, 70 hundreds, like, British, like, red coat uniform. I went to a thrift store and I bought this for $2. Yeah. Back when you can do that.
00:42:35
Speaker
That's when thrift stores were actually like actually thrifty. That's long gone now. Yeah.
00:42:48
Speaker
Okay, so...
00:42:53
Speaker
i think we covered a good amount. You want to get into the whole what the ghosts want? I mean, do we do we really know what they want? because Well, they want revenge.
00:43:04
Speaker
Yeah. They want to kill they want to kill this most of the descendants of the the people that wronged them. Yeah, most is like the key word, because we don't understand... like the demands.
00:43:17
Speaker
because Even the people don't even know what's going on. no yeah because Because Nick is related to... like He's a descendant, but they don't they don't really seem that like like bug him at all. Nothing really happens to him. They bugged his car. Remember when he was driving and his car gets hit? And then he's like, what the hell was that? and like It's like the worst that happens to him. was like yeah His windshield explodes.
00:43:35
Speaker
Yeah, and then that's is is like that's his like biggest concern for a while. But he's like, whatever. I'll keep driving with like no windshield.
00:43:44
Speaker
Yeah, and then it seems like they're going after like the oldest descendants, because they kill, like, they kill his mom, they kill the mayor, they kill...
Vengeance Theme in 'The Fog'
00:43:55
Speaker
Oh, this this is also not a, like, oh, like they hunt them down. This happens all in the same time.
00:44:01
Speaker
Yeah, ever everyone like kind of ends up, but when the when the fog finally rolls in, and like it's actually it actually is, like, the fog now, the movie that you I thought was going to be... ah everyone kind of like groups at like the ah city hall, like town hall, historical society. And they're all in the same building. And then like, yeah, then like the ghosts start like, just like burst in like with like their, the fog and everything and then start like killing everybody, like throwing people out windows and,
00:44:27
Speaker
They impale Father Malone with like the glass that doesn't cause any blood.
00:44:34
Speaker
and then but then And they kill Nick's uncle, who's also castle. So it's like, there's your castle blood. But they kill two Malone. So it's like, what but is what's their quota? It's like...
00:44:47
Speaker
what cast five i think I think the bonus was that like whoever did him the wrong the most, maybe that's the vengeance. It's certain blood for blood. Yeah.
00:44:59
Speaker
Because I think it was led by the Malones. i think yeah I think so, maybe. because Because they find his journal, so I guess that maybe he's like, yeah, he was the ringleader, maybe. That's what I'm saying. Maybe that could have been a thing, where it's like the one guy convinces like everyone to join.
00:45:17
Speaker
okay so Let's go back to what the heck the who who got pulled out of the boat in the past. Yeah. Was that a Malone?
00:45:28
Speaker
Was that? think that was like someone else that they just did not put a plaque for because he died. So they're like, OK, he doesn't count. Like he's not considered a founder.
00:45:40
Speaker
Well, what Wikipedia says it was David Williams. So he was like the like Elizabeth's ancestor. But then, Elizabeth is more of an ancestor to Blake.
00:45:52
Speaker
Unless he was also, she was also Williams, and it's that, like, along the bloodline, eventually, you get to produce, like, your're one of your descendants again.
00:46:05
Speaker
Yeah, that that's the ending makes no sense. but and So does the you since you've seen the original, does does that happen? Like, does like a ghost?
00:46:16
Speaker
No, no, no, no one turns into a ghost in the original. No. They see like it's almost like a um the shining where like, oh, you've always been here and like you you belong here.
00:46:31
Speaker
in In the original, they wanted to kill six people as a sacrifice, because there were six original conspirators. were going to kill six people now, and they'll be our blood for blood.
00:46:44
Speaker
Yeah, you get like they were satiated by like yeah and also enough kill count. And also, they they they they returned like the stolen gold that was like taken from them. Yeah, that makes sense.
00:46:58
Speaker
but this they Do even get back their stuff in this? and't I don't think they they out they care. like yeah don't They don't get any back like they'll get the comb back or anything. The comb almost burns down the radio station and that's it.
00:47:12
Speaker
don't think they really care but the see like they care about that any of that stuff
00:47:20
Speaker
But yeah, they drag the mayor to like a cemetery, and then they they give him like like like a copy of the the contract the original contract, which you think like, oh, they're going to force him to sign it, and then like like that's like they're like like their punishment.
00:47:35
Speaker
Their punishment. Finally, like finally like like just like they'll get justice, and like the deal that they eventually made will be like completed finally. But then like the contract just starts burning his hand, and burns the mayor alive.
00:47:49
Speaker
So she's like, here you go Sign this. Haha, got you it's It's burning. It's a fire. Yeah. just I saw that i was like, okay, so again, they just had this cool CGI effect and then they wanted to ah use it on anyone. It could have been like any other character.
00:48:10
Speaker
but they wanted to show the mayor. And honestly, the mayor wasn't like an asshole. he He just didn't know what was going on. I mean, he was aware that their ancestors were weren't great people, but it it wasn't like he was actively burning the evidence or anything.
00:48:27
Speaker
Yeah, it's not like it's ah it's like he he's like, i knew all yeah I knew the entire time. I just hid it. Our town is great. Yeah. our town ah town ah town is great like yeah Yeah, no one has that speech. I thought the mom was going to do that. I thought she's like, you know, our family legacy is here, blah, blah, blah. Like, we we have to um continue the lie. like It doesn't matter how our town is founded. now it's it's it's It's here now. It's good.
00:48:54
Speaker
We're here because the tourist season. Yeah.
00:48:59
Speaker
Tourists don't want to hear about like how our ah ancestors murdered an entire boat of lepers. I mean... Some people do. If you ever go abroad, like, a lot of these places in other countries, they really do talk about, like, how messed up the past was. And it's like, want to take a photo of it?
00:49:19
Speaker
Yeah.
00:49:21
Speaker
um I'm not even kidding. Like, there's this place in Edinburgh that I want to go see. It's a castle where, like, one of the princess, he was, like, stabbed.
00:49:32
Speaker
And then, like... they they didn't clean up the spot and maybe they recreated the spot or whatever but you can't touch it you know it's like it's but you can like oh like we're gonna open the door and take a look at like that's where he was murdered you're like a hundred year old couple hundred year old blood like yep yep and it's just like all right who's ready for some cheese
00:49:58
Speaker
so it's it's way darker in abroad places like it they just so like yeah it's a way of life nothing Nothing was settled by, like, hugs in the past.
Cultural and Historical Context
00:50:09
Speaker
So that's why i always find it cute that, like, in America, ah a lot of these stories were like, what do you mean they did terrible things to other people? It's like, yeah. They didn't ask nicely.
00:50:24
Speaker
I kind of want to straight up, like, it's been a while, but we should bring back more, ah like, poltergeist stuff. horror movies where like it's legit offended spirits like this is another one where the spirits are super offended and they are mad and um the fog is weird because it's not like on that night it was foggy it wasn't you know surprisingly that night of the original like uh incident it's a clear night
00:50:58
Speaker
And it's not like ah one of the leopards cursed the founders or it's like there's black magic. None of that. yeah like bla like Blake wasn't like, we'll be back 100 years and this night we'll be back to get our revenge.
00:51:16
Speaker
If anything, he does this cool like blood for blood while he punches through a window with his hand on fire. yep Really cool visual. yeah That's the only time we've seen that. He like just exhibits superhuman feats of strength for like a moment.
00:51:32
Speaker
And then we don't see him. It would have been interesting to find out that he didn't die that night. He he he swam to shore and then he learned like black arts or something to get his revenge for his wife.
00:51:51
Speaker
The original doesn't really explain why the fog and them are tied together either. It's just like, oh, this fog's rolling in.
00:52:01
Speaker
Pretty foggy, right? They don't do anything their ship, either. like the ship they like You see their ship, like, twice. And then, like, the ghost ship. but then It's just like... oo It doesn't, like, come into, like, harbor or anything. You're just like, oh, look!
00:52:14
Speaker
It's their ship!
00:52:17
Speaker
Yeah. The ship is kind of... It's cool to see, like, a pirate ship. Like, an old Victorian-style ship. They show it to people who have no idea what's going on. You know, the the Girls Gone Wild boat.
00:52:30
Speaker
Spooner is just far is like so removed from this that, like honestly, he should be like, i I'm leaving. i have no ties. Why am I here? where he i think he like he tries to. like he like you said He's like, I'm famous for Chicago. i know it I'm leaving. like At that point, he's also a fugitive because he escaped from the police.
00:52:53
Speaker
He's like being held the hospital. And then Father Malone's like, gonna leave two of them, but then, like, oh, but actually, maybe we should go back.
00:53:04
Speaker
Let's go back and help. but
00:53:10
Speaker
And then, like, yeah, Father Malone just gets, like, killed by glass, and then Spitter doesn't really like, anything to help at the end.
00:53:20
Speaker
Yeah, he just sort of watches. Yep. And it's funny, it's funny, I said, like, they they watch the mayor get burned, and then, like, i think, is it Nick Anspooner, or, like, Nick, like, runs, it's like, we gotta get out of here, and then runs off, and then, like, Elizabeth's like, no, I think I, I need to, go like go talk to them, or something, and then that's, then she, like, she's, like, or she's, like, fully possessed by, like, the power of the ghost, or something, and then she, like, walks over, and then starts making out with Captain Blake,
00:53:51
Speaker
Which is her family? Her husband. bid Right, but... Which i I thought that, like, the original Elizabeth was, like, Captain Blake's daughter.
00:54:02
Speaker
And it's like, oh no, that's his wife. Okay, that's weird. should have been his daughter, because it's super not, like, age-appropriate. Yeah, it's it's like, uh... Rene Serbogesia who's like i don't know how he old only he was in like this movie but he's like definitely much much much older than Maggie Grace he's like 50 this movie and then I think think ah Maggie Grace is like 22 probably yeah this is definitely like her first big movie and then like Tom Welling's like first starring role movie probably
00:54:40
Speaker
Yeah, because I think his first big movie was like... ah ju But a dozen wanted And they're they're both and they're they're both like in like coming off like TV, or still like still like firmly in TV, because think there was like seven more seasons of Smallville after this.
00:54:57
Speaker
What? Really? Yeah, this is this like the fourth season of Smallville, and then went like 11 seasons or something. so Oh my god. How long did I escape Smallville by going to movies? Yeah.
00:55:08
Speaker
And I think Maggie Grace was on Lost for like another season or two before they killed her.
00:55:18
Speaker
but yeah i guess like one of the true things is they were filming the season finale of like the end the first season of Lost, same time as this. So Maggie Grace would fly from like Hawaii to like British Columbia and back constantly. Yeah, I didn't watch Lost after season one, so I don't know.
00:55:33
Speaker
and like Maybe i haven't finished season one. I got like halfway through and i was like, I'll wait.
00:55:39
Speaker
I know, it's such a pivotal show, but I feel like i didn't lose anything since, like, the payoff wasn't that good.
00:55:50
Speaker
Yeah, i think I think if you watch it like and, like, don't have any expectations for the end of it, then it's it's it's good. But if you're, like, watching it live, like, being like, oh man, how they going to solve all these mysteries? It's like, they won't.
00:56:06
Speaker
Did they ever explain what the, the like, fog monster was in Lost? Yeah, they they they kind of do, yeah. Okay. But at least we get like a sort of explanation of what the fog is in the fog.
00:56:20
Speaker
Kinda, yeah. Kinda, but it's leopard Chinese leopard fogs.
00:56:27
Speaker
I did appreciate that um for whatever reason, they, uh, the ghosts wrote, and or like maybe the father wrote in, uh,
00:56:39
Speaker
in, like, Chinese, what, like, leprosy was. Mm-hmm.
00:56:48
Speaker
Like, the character, I guess? Well, they were, I mean, they were, they weren't, like, they were all, like, European, like, it was, like, ah like all European lepers, right? Yeah, but they got leprosy from the Chinese, who, like I guess, brought it to... To wherever they were. North Carol, North Carol, like, whatever. Oh, this is Oregon now, so it's... Yeah.
00:57:13
Speaker
Yeah, i think i think I think that's what the like the old guy at the Historical Society says. Like, oh yeah, they they got... They caught leprosy and then they came up here wanting to form a leper colony and they just vanished. No one knows what happened to them.
00:57:32
Speaker
But yeah, but yeah, but so but yeah the big but the the big twist is like, yeah, Maggie Grace is the reincarnation of ah Captain Blake's wife and then she turns into a ghost And then they all vanish, and that's it. they like that's i guess Ultimately, that's what they wanted, I guess. It's just like, can't they want his wife back?
00:57:49
Speaker
But that was like a bonus. That wasn't his like true thing. That was just like, a oh bonus. My wife's back.
00:58:00
Speaker
Again, it's up ah up until like actual interpretation for understanding what the ghost what started the ghost coming back, even though it was disturbing the bag of stuff, and then that releasing like on that anniversary.
00:58:16
Speaker
do you like There's so many things that like you can kind of explain sort of the origin. because it's like Is it because Maggie Grace came back? Is it because ah the bag...
00:58:28
Speaker
Or was it because the town, like, prophet, uh, Metchen, like, found the stuff? Yeah. heat Okay, I just want to get to that point. He dies by randomly disappearing in the water, right?
00:58:43
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he yeah he he's because he's like He does metal detecting, so he finds the like the pocket wash. It's like one of the artifacts that like got disturbed. And then he seems to know... talks Maggie Grace and he's like, if you touch it, nothing will be the same.
00:59:02
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But then yeah later on, he's like he like finds... don't know. like He finds a rope with his metal detector somehow, and he' like he's like pulling on it, and then he pulls himself into the ocean and drowns. yeah but that could have been, like, that that might not have been Ghost Rope. That could have just been him, you know? Like, i
00:59:20
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like the ghost didn't force him to do that. Yeah. Well, he also, he finds, the ghost, I guess, set up, like, ah a full, like, formal, like, dining table, and then, like, a chandelier also wants to store
00:59:33
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So it's just like, it started with like a brush, now it's like like a full dining room set and a chandelier from the boat, I guess, or of what have washed on shore. And then he finds whatever he finds, tied to a rope, and he's like, yeah.
00:59:49
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It's like, I'm gonna keep pulling, whatever's on head of this rope shit, it's gonna be pretty good. I'm gonna keep pulling it, even though I'm like, I'm dragged out to the ocean. Yeah, and then like, a young boy watches that, just sort of this man drowning. Mm-hmm.
01:00:04
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And he goes home to find his aunt, a charred skeleton on the on the kitchen floor. yeah it's a bad time for that kid.
01:00:16
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Yeah, it's it's crazy crazy like that like that's the only time we see like the ghosts have like a death touch. On the aunt, yep. And it's like, why don't use that more, guys. Keep it pretty good consistent. Yeah, it's pretty powerful. you You basically can roll into whatever you need.
01:00:35
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like A freezer door ain't going to stop you if you can melt the door.
01:00:44
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Yeah, and and and they well they they they brought like burst out like they it burst out like like the kitchen sink. So they're coming coming through the pipes.
01:00:53
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See, that's weird, because I feel like they were trying to use all this effects like in the original. But because like that one, the ghosts were just like assholes, like just straight up, like we're seeking revenge. We're going to take out some people, but we're only going to kill six of these people. So, you you know, like they they were sort of not really assholes. Sorry, I'm going to rephrase this. they They had like a mission.
01:01:20
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Yeah. And they were they were also like consistently like they' were consistently like zob like zombie pirates. They were like they were like just like walked through the fog and they were like cor corporeal like zombies. kind of And then this is like sometimes they're like smoke.
01:01:34
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Sometimes they're zombies. Sometimes they're ghosts. Sometimes they're invisible. It's the like we'rennare we're going to do all of it.
01:01:46
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Yeah. Sometimes they're like Scooby-Doo quality.
01:01:51
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So yeah, again, I thought originally this movie was going to be a good, decent remake because I did hear like, okay, things once.
Internet Influence on Film Perception
01:02:02
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And then there's at least one person that floods the internet about how this movie is a decent remake and lies. Like, don't, yeah I should have probably looked at where I found that source from because I mean, or that this is I found it from a Reddit post and I was like, oh, is it?
01:02:16
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And then I read more and they were like, all these debunkers are like, what is wrong with you? Like, first is by Way, way more. That person's either like a giant Tom Welling fan or a giant Maggie Grace fan, probably.
01:02:27
Speaker
Probably. And it's like, hmm. This seems biased. It's like, I'm a diehard Smallville fan. It was awesome to see Tom Welling starring in a movie.
01:02:39
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It could be that. I feel like it was just like, this is awesome. This is like, I like Smallville, so because of that, I like whatever this guy does.
01:02:49
Speaker
I don't mind actors jumping from one medium to another. It's it's totally fine. Yeah. Tom Welling isn't bad in it. I just feel like they were playing on so much of him being handsome for the first part of the movie of this movie.
01:03:06
Speaker
And then there's just like... it was ah does like that like classic like sailor sweater. Yep. And even Spooner is just sort of like, damn you hot. Like he's in like like a goddamn Old Spice ad or something? or like ah like ah Like a classic Old Spice ad?
01:03:20
Speaker
It's like, to put it my ah original original Old Spice and... Like, the Old Spice cologne, not deodorant, and then, like, go to town. have not seen Old Spice cologne bottle a long time. Just in that, like, little, like, ceramic jar.
01:03:39
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Like, I'm going to go to town and have, like, I feel like there was a beer commercial that had guys dressed in those sweaters, too. ah Like, every PBR one in the older ones. Anytime it was like a beach... Or not, like a... Boathouse whatever. like It would be Miller.
01:03:56
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yeah Probably be like Coors. Just regular Coors. Yep.
01:04:04
Speaker
It's like, you've had a hard day ah the ocean fishing. Have a Coors.
01:04:14
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You probably had to fight a giant lobster today. have a cores.
01:04:20
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Your boat almost sank because it caught on some ghost artifacts.
01:04:27
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have five cores. The fact that like the entire boat almost sank because like it got caught like a burlap sack. I can't figure out what kind of wench system they have that it's able to like almost capsize the boat.
01:04:40
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And yeah they just like, you just can't turn it off or you can't reverse the boat? Well, Spooner is like panicking. He's just like, i got I can't turn it off, man. I can't turn off. It's like, just turn it off. like Don't try to ram it back and forth. like yeah it's like No, don't even ram. He tries to drive with the wench still pulling up. And because of that, it's like...
01:05:00
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the boat is trying to pull down. But there's no safety. I guess 2005 wench safeties, it's just sort of like, it's either you pull and get what you need, or it's going to drown you.
01:05:12
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It's going to, the wench is going to pull the boat to the yo like depths of the sea. Mm-hmm.
01:05:23
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but era that like Later on, that boat like drives with Every single like instrument and it explodes and it still drives... It can drive back to shore-fied, though.
01:05:35
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Well, is that because maybe Tom Welling like replaced it with good parts? No, because when they go to find it, they find that they find like all the bodies and they find Spooner in this freezer. so Oh, true. Yeah, yeah.
01:05:46
Speaker
every Every single like gauge and instrument like exploded. Yeah, that that boat was somehow... better when it's broken it's yeah yeah like it immediately started right up it's like oh we gotta have to take gas turn on oh it's running okay what happened why they but why did they abandon ship
01:06:15
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But, ah yeah, I would say don't watch this one.
Recommendations and Final Thoughts
01:06:18
Speaker
Watch the original one if you haven't seen it. The original one... The original one, it's not... it's not I don't want to put it as like um um like upper, like top Johnny Carpenter movies, but it's it's definitely like a solid middle-tier Johnny Carpenter movie.
01:06:31
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Yeah. ah Just from of the parts I've seen and how it's like influential and the fact that um at the time it came out in 1980, it was like just the start of Zombie Mania.
01:06:43
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so this was a good error of kind of taking that one premise of zombies and then doing something different. So it's not quite the living dead walking, like coming at you from like, you know, the grave and just slowly like shambling their way. This is like a little bit of supernatural spirits showing up like a ghost thing. pirate Yeah, ghost pirates. Yeah.
01:07:11
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So I appreciate that concept. But if you're expecting that in the remake, prepare yourself. Prepare yourself for like what feels like Dawson's Creek meets Gilmore Girls meets a fourth of an intro of a Supernatural episode because it's like around the same era. Yeah, I'm i'm shocked that one of the Supernatural guys was in this. I feel like they were in every other horror a remake of this time.
01:07:42
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Like a Jensen Ackles or like a ah Jerry Padlock in like every other remake. Yeah, but ah they skipped this. they someone read They probably read for the part and they're like, you know, let's just make more supernatural.
01:08:00
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Yeah, and I would say if if you're looking for like, yo if you actually want to want to watch a Jack Harper remake, I would say the best one is probably a solid piece of 13.
01:08:09
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Just because like it's like a fun kind of schlocky action movie. It's it's got Ethan Hawke and Lorde Sushwurt in it.
01:08:16
Speaker
Like, this this this was this is pretty boring and bad ah The Thing prequel, which is basically a remake, is also pretty bad. and then Rob Zombie's Halloween.
01:08:27
Speaker
I mean, it it is what it is. It's a creative mess, but like... He's trying to do something different, like completely different than the original one. I didn't mind it At least the first one. The second one that he made... The second Rob Zombie movie is just like, what the hell is this?
01:08:43
Speaker
I've never finished the second one, so... Can't say. Can't say it's good or bad. that That's like 100% pure like Rob Zombie just going off as i doing his own thing, because it's not a Halloween 2 remake.
01:08:59
Speaker
You know it's called Halloween 2. It's definitely not a Halloween 2 remake. Michael Myers is in that one, right? Yes. Okay, because I'm like, what was the one where it's like not Michael Myers? It's like Season the Witch? Probably three.
01:09:11
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Season of the Witch, yeah. which Which is now considered like ah like a cult classic, and like everyone loves that one. See? It just takes time. That's why I'm like, maybe the second one, once it gets to like cult classic status, I give it a shot.
01:09:31
Speaker
But yeah, the fog. I would say stay out of the fog. At least the 2005 fog. go out Go watch the original if you want like ah some spooky John Carver Halloween-type fun. And come back next week, we're going to be diving into or I guess checking into Motel Hell, the 1980 horror comedy. yeah it it buts It's kind of a so it's like it's a spoof of like Psycho and Texas Chainsaw Massacre all the other movies that kind of came up before it.
01:10:04
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and i think and and And also kind of like a a cult classic. So we'll dive into that next week.
01:10:10
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And how do I say we all have our new stuff
Next Week's Teasers and Conclusion
01:10:12
Speaker
here? We got news, reviews, trailers. um I have a review of Tron Aries. Speaking of ah not great movies, Tron Aries. very few of that Super disappointed to hear that.
01:10:22
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Yeah, it is it's not... Awesome soundtrack. Pretty good visuals. Everything else not great. So, yeah. Adam mentioned how, like, it was him and, like, two people on a Saturday night premiere where he was.
01:10:37
Speaker
Mm-hmm. And he was just like, damn it, Jared Leto. Why they keep giving him movies? why Why are people just like, see the tu is like we're gonna ba we're gonna bet our, like, $200 million dollars movie on Jared Leto.
01:10:52
Speaker
No idea. Morbius, Tron Aries, like... Disney invested two... He must have some dirt on, like, Fox and Disney. Mm-hmm.
01:11:04
Speaker
Well, they're just like, ah they're massive, like, what what's this band? 30 Seconds from Mars? They're just 30 Seconds from Mars fans. But isn't, like, none of their music in the movie? No, no. Just, like, whatever executive screen line, you're just like, oh, man, 30 Seconds from Mars is so good. and Anyway, yeah.
01:11:25
Speaker
Yeah, go read my Trinaries review. It's on a site. A bunch of horror movie shows to drop, too, because, obviously, it's, you know, it's spooky time, so you can watch, like, a bunch of, uh, ah sure they're being attached like, current movies are coming out, like but Black Phone 2 or something this weekend.
01:11:40
Speaker
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01:12:01
Speaker
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