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The Cobbler
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In this episode, we discuss the loss of Chadwick Boseman, what he meant to the world, and then switch it up to talk about Derrick’s pick, The Cobbler. Think an Adam Sandler film where he changes into different people using their shoes seems an odd choice for a podcast about superhero movies? Think again.
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Chadwick Boseman's Impact
00:02:05
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You were in a car accident. I found you, pulled you out. I'm gonna have a pickle. Oh, good. Just take one. I don't want a pickle. I don't care if you want one. You need it. Just take one. What are you talking about? I need it. Pickles preserve you when you change, Max. They give you strength. Otherwise, you get all screwed up jumping from body to body. You know?
00:02:34
Speaker
Of course I know. Who do you think got rid of that putz Ludlow? That's their little heel, made quite a mess, kid. Those you? How? You see, the thing is, I'm not just a barber, Max. I'm also a cobbler.
00:02:53
Speaker
Welcome to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. I am half of your host, Perry Constantine. And as always, I am the other half, Derek Ferguson. So I think first off, we should probably talk about, as you would say, the elephant in the room. And that's the passing of Chadwick Boseman.
00:03:10
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, that was, you talk about, and you know what, don't get me wrong. I mean, I mourn the death of anybody, you know, when they pass away, especially somebody who passes, especially somebody as talented as this man, and at such a young age. But usually, celebrities, I don't get like really choked up about it. You know, I am not ashamed to admit that I cried when I heard this man had died.
00:03:36
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I got emotional about it too. And, you know, just like, you know what killed me was going on social media and seeing all the photos of kids, you know, arranging their Avengers action figures around a fallen Black Panther figure and just doing the Wakanda salute. I mean, I was that... Yeah, that got me. I had to get away from the computer for a while because, yeah, I mean,
00:04:05
Speaker
Seriously, it was just, I mean, such a shock. In a year that has given us so many shocks already. And so much tragedy and so much heartache and so much everything. This is just another one. And it was a fresh one. This wasn't one that we could just shrug off and say, okay, yeah, well, okay, some more shit happened. No, this was really felt deep.
00:04:35
Speaker
And as we were saying earlier before we started recording, I think it was because the role he played in the movie he was in was such a worldwide cultural phenomenon on a scale we haven't seen in like decades. Exactly. And you know, it touched everybody.
00:04:57
Speaker
You know, that movie, I mean, everybody embraced that movie. I, you know, I was describing it to people and I'm like, you know, what, what so many kids are experiencing now, that's what I experienced when Christopher Reeve died. Exactly. Yeah. And, and, and even harder for them because, you know, I mean, I was an adult, you know, I was like, yeah, I was an adult already when Christopher Reeve died. So I'm like, imagine like losing your, the superhero who would like, you know,
00:05:27
Speaker
given you so much hope and you know it's been such a role model for you both on and off the screen I mean he was just you know I mean let's not minimize the fact that yeah he played an amazing character he gave an amazing performance of several amazing performances you know Jackie Robinson, James Brown, Thurgood Marshall all these amazing roles he played and he was such a chameleon on screen right he like we talked I was relisting to our Black Panther episode last night and I mentioned how
Boseman's Roles and Tributes
00:05:54
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every time I heard Boseman speaking an interview and he's using his real voice. Like I was always like so taken out of, like it was like such, I was so taken aback because his accent as T'Challa was so natural and he was so good in that role that I really believed he was, you know, an African native. Yeah, yeah. I mean, there was a reason why he could play such an extraordinary human being
00:06:23
Speaker
on screen and so convincingly, because he actually was an extraordinary movie. Yeah. I mean, a lot of people have been sharing the clip that he talks about these two Black boys who had cancer and how their anticipation for Black Panther. And then he had found out they died before the movie had come out. And he just, you know, I'm getting choked up even talking about it, but like he was,
00:06:51
Speaker
And he broke down during the interview talking about this. And it's so much more profound when now we know like he was in that same situation.
00:07:03
Speaker
It's just, oh God, that was just such a good bunch. And you know how much the movie Black Panther, how much it meant to it. That was the movie I've been waiting all my life to see. The first time I saw it in the theater, I'm sitting there and the end credits is coming up and I'm applauding and cheering like a madman. I'm smiling. There's tears coming down.
00:07:25
Speaker
face, because I was just so overjoyed that, yeah, this was... There is a God. This is a movie I had been waiting to see all my life, and I got it. And I was looking forward to seeing Black Panther II in three and four and five and six, and to think of what would have been, and now we're not gonna see it. Yeah.
00:07:51
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as well as all the other work that he would have done, because I would listen, if you haven't seen Get On Up, folks, you gotta see that one. Get On Up is like...
00:08:02
Speaker
Wow, that's like a nuclear bomb bastard. I mean, that movie was amazing when I had seen it before, and I didn't know about his health issues. And I was astonished at his physicality. Because he did all his dancing in that movie, and he got James Brown down. But now that I know he did that while he was battling cancer as well? I know, yeah. Holy shit. And I complained like a little baby when I got a stomachache.
00:08:29
Speaker
Oh, God, yeah. And this man had cancer, and he went out and made major motion pictures with stunts and special effects and all kinds of stuff. And he wasn't slacking off on the body aspects, the physical aspects. I mean, you look at him when he's shirtless in the scenes in Black Panther during the combat trials. And it's just like, that guy is frigging ripped. Yeah.
00:08:58
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I mean, I said, Trisha, you know what, I'm never gonna complain again when I'm sick. I mean, really, I'm just not. I'm not going to, you know. It is just truly humbling to think of what this man did. He was so committed to his performance that, I mean, he's going through surgeries, he's going through chemotherapy, and he's still
00:09:23
Speaker
getting his body in peak physical condition for these roles and, you know, giving it is all in these performances. And he had so much work left to do. I mean, he, you know, he was supposed to be in the movie about Yasuke, who was the black samurai in feudal Japan. And, you know, I was just, and I thought about that after, I'm like, oh my God, that's right. He was supposed to be Yasuke. And that would have been such an amazing movie.
00:09:53
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to think about, and you know, also like all the, I had, I was expecting him to be the next RDJ for the Marvel Cinematic Universe, right?
Future of Black Panther
00:10:03
Speaker
He would, that was like the direction they were headed in. He's gonna be the new Iron Man. Right, that was definitely the way that I felt that they was gonna go, that he was gonna step into that void left by Tony Stark, you know, Robert Downey Jr. Yeah, that,
00:10:22
Speaker
Yeah, he was gonna be the man. Yeah. And you can tell they were so leaning in that direction. That's the direction that they wanted to go in. That's the direction. Because you've got the whole, you know, and we're gonna be talking about this next week, you know, because spoilers, my choice for next week is gonna be Captain America Civil War. Because I think it's whole, it's only appropriate because we already did an episode of Black Panther. So Civil War is the next best thing.
00:10:50
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we're gonna be talking about Chadwick Boseman tribute episode. And you know in that movie you know he's brought into this world in such a big way and and then you see him in Black Panther in the end of Black Panther when there's this you know when he goes to the UN and he tells them that you know Wakanda is going to open its doors to the rest of the world and you know that that's just
00:11:11
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and that little smile he has when they ask him what can Wakanda offer the world and he just knows like oh you've got no idea what's going on. You've got no idea yeah I know that little that little smirk he does.
00:11:26
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And it's the same smirk, but it has a completely different meaning at the very end of the movie, when the little kid asks him, the little black boy asks himself, who are you? And he goes, well, yeah, yeah. But it's got a totally different meaning, you know? When he says, oh, you're going to know who I am. Yeah, yeah. Oh, wow.
00:11:46
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I mean, just such an amazing movie. I watched the thing, even though I got it on Blu-ray, first day it came out. I watched the thing they had on Sunday night here in the States on the ABC. They showed it completely with no commercials. Oh, wow. Nice. Yeah, yeah. They did a little editing for Language here and there, and they cut out one scene.
00:12:12
Speaker
But except for that, yeah, they showed it with no commercials. And then afterwards they had like a little special tribute where they had people that had worked with him and knew him, you know, Robert Downey Jr., you know, Perseverance Scarlett Johansson. You know, like most of the people from the Avengers movies, you know, they spoke about him, some of the people that he worked with in the Spike Lee movie, you know, The Five Bloods.
00:12:40
Speaker
Oh, he was in that too. Yeah, yeah, he was... As a matter of fact, that's the movie everybody thought that... Because he had that weight loss, and everybody had figured he had lost the weight for that movie, because he was a lot thinner in that movie than we had seen previously. So everybody said, oh, well, he must have lost weight for that movie, but such was not the case. Wow. Yeah. But you know what?
00:13:08
Speaker
I have to say that I'm grateful to God for the time that we did have him here. Because I know that my life was enriched by seeing him play Black Panther. And we do have that movie for generations. And I would hope that
Boseman's Legacy and Potential Roles
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it's a movie that keeps getting passed down from generation to generation, no matter what happens with the character in future. But yeah.
00:13:35
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I mean, I, you know, we, we had talked about this before we hit record, but I do just want to mention that I think that as we both talked about like this, you know, everybody talking about what are they going to do about Black Panther too. It's like, don't worry about Black Panther too.
00:13:51
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They'll figure something out. Let's just celebrate this man's life. Can we decently bury him? Can we have that much respect and just wait until the man is properly put to rest first before we start worrying about who gets his job?
00:14:11
Speaker
Right. And also on the flip side too, because there have been both extremes on this. And I've seen the other side be like, no one should ever again play T'Challa for the rest of time, which I think is depriving so many generations of black kids of these different interpretations of their iconic character. As a white kid, I've had dozens of different interpretations of Superman and Batman.
00:14:39
Speaker
Obviously, take the amount of time, but don't say that nobody else should ever be allowed to touch this role because you're depriving future generations of Black kids and Black actors as well from being able to have this character as part of their lives. Yeah, I've never been a fan of or understood this thing.
00:15:01
Speaker
that only one actor can play like a certain role. You know, if they had thought that 50 years ago, well, we wouldn't be on our sixth James Bond then. Right. I mean, you know, Sean Connery left, and they said, OK, well, we got to find a new James Bond. And that's it. They just said, we got to find a new James Bond. I mean, we never even would have got a Christopher Reeve or Michael Keaton with that attitude. Yeah, exactly. So yeah, I mean, Chris Evans is Captain America, right? We never would have, because we had
00:15:31
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Red Brown and what's his name, Matt Salinger, before that? I don't understand this thing about why you can't have somebody young to play Indiana Jones and we can't, you know, set more Indiana Jones, you know, this whole stupid, well, nobody else but Harrison Ford can play Indiana Jones. We're bullshit. Yeah, yeah.
00:15:52
Speaker
And I can't remember his name, but the young guy who played him in solo, I thought he did a great job. Well, exactly. That's what I'm saying. Why don't you just get the guy that did solo and play it? As a matter of fact, start a tradition. Anybody who plays hard solo also has to play me at a joke. That's a good role. I like that.
00:16:15
Speaker
Yeah, serious. Well, now we're getting, what's his name? Donald Glover is going to be doing more Lando Calrissian stuff, right? They're going to be getting like a Lando movie or TV show or something. I've heard the rumors that it's either going to be a Lando TV series, like a miniseries, or Disney Plus, or it's going to be a movie, you know, for Disney Plus. They're going to do a Lando Calrissian movie. But yeah, I mean, you know, we got to get past this thing that, you know,
00:16:44
Speaker
Well, okay, you're always going to have certain actors that are your favorite in playing a role. Right. You know, Michael Keaton is always going to be my favorite, but that doesn't stop me from watching, you know, Christian Bale. Right. Well, you know, yeah, it doesn't stop me from watching those movies at all. It's just that, yeah, well, Michael Keaton happens to be my favorite. That's all it is.
00:17:08
Speaker
I mean, yeah, same here. Like we've obviously talked about Christopher Reeve a lot in the show. Obviously he's my favorite Superman. He's what I've always pictured that character to be. But that doesn't mean that I don't want to see Brandon Routh get another go around like he did in Crisis, or that doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to Tyler Hoechlin and Superman and Lois. And I'd love to see Henry Cavill get to play Superman in a movie directed by someone who actually likes Superman.
00:17:35
Speaker
Exactly,
Adam Sandler's 'The Cobbler' Explained
00:17:37
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exactly. That's all it means. And yeah, you know, I mean, trust me, the brain trust at Disney is working on that even as we speak, probably. They say, okay, well, what are we going to do? You know, and
00:17:51
Speaker
You know, of course, you have the fans who believe that they should be consulted about every damn thing that goes on. And no, actually, the fans are the last ones that should be consulted about anything. And we just lost 10% of our listeners. But seriously, the fans are the last ones that should be consulted about anything. Oh, absolutely. Really? Yeah. Really.
00:18:18
Speaker
Because there's a lot of, you know, because they just run on pure... What's the best word I could put?
00:18:28
Speaker
Emotion, right? Emotion, I'd say emotion. Okay, yeah, okay, yeah. That's what he's putting it kindly. Yeah, right, yeah, I'm trying to put it kindly. Pure emotion, that's all they've run away. And I, even though I'm a writer, I've been guilty of this having fanboy moments myself. I remember when they did, when they announced the Superior Spider-Man comic book, right? And they said, oh, Dr. Octopus has taken over Peter Parker's body. He's gonna be Spider-Man going forward.
00:18:57
Speaker
my first reaction was like, that's some bullshit. And then, and I'm like, you know, this is like the worst thing, you know, Marvel's ever done to the character, blah, blah, blah. And then a few months go by and people are saying like, you know what? This book is really good. You should give it a try. I'm like, no, no, no. I'm never gonna read that book. I'm never gonna read. And then I'm like, you know what? I'm like, all right, fine. You know what? Everyone's talking about, I'm gonna read it and I'm gonna hate read this thing. So I start reading it. God damn if it's not one of the best Spider-Man stories I ever read.
00:19:29
Speaker
Oops. Yeah. So then I'm like, and I talked to Dan Slott about this on Twitter. Like I told him like, you know, I, I tweeted at me, you know what? I'm like, I was one of those people who was like, this is horrible. Fuck Dan Slott. Fuck Spider-Man. Fuck Marvel. And then I read the book and I'm like, goddamn, that's really good shit. And he liked the tweet. He liked it. How many pounds of crow did you have to eat? Oh God. Yeah. It's like you with, you know, paying back everybody for Black Panther. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.
00:19:59
Speaker
Yeah, so just let them do their thing. They know what they're doing. They'll figure stuff out. Yeah, exactly. You know what? I can't burn up my brain cell. I have enough trouble trying to figure out my own original shit than worrying about what Disney is going to do with their property. And you know what? Go buy their track record, folks. We've seen what they've done over the last, I mean, over with those 22 amazing movies.
00:20:29
Speaker
you know, that they did, you know, they have a proven track record that they know what they're doing. Yeah. So yeah, so why wouldn't you trust them going forward with this, that yeah, they're going to, you know, they're going to make the right decision. Yeah. All right. So shall we jump into today's movie, talk about something a little bit more pleasant. Okay. And that's your pick, the cobbler and
00:20:56
Speaker
I gotta ask you, why did you, because I'm sure everybody's wondering too. So addressing the new elephant in the room that just walked in, why did you pick this movie for superhero movies? Okay, I picked it because I saw this movie, it's on Amazon Prime now. I watched it.
00:21:17
Speaker
earlier today in preparation for this, because I haven't seen it in a while. I saw like years ago, winners on Netflix, because it's not a new movie. It's about like five years old. And I'm not out in 2014.
00:21:29
Speaker
Yeah, and I'm not an Adam Sandler fan, but I watched it because a friend of mine said, yeah, well, you need to watch this. And I said, why? And he said, well, it's unbreakable. I said, wait a minute. You talk about M. Night Shyamalan unbreakable? He said, yeah, yeah, yeah. He said, it's just like that. Trust me. I said, really? He said, yeah, watch it. He said, you'll understand when you watch it. So it's a friend that I...
00:21:51
Speaker
kind of trust. I wouldn't leave my wallet with me or my wife, but when it comes to movies, she's pretty reliable. So I'm sitting here, I'm watching a movie, and about 45 minutes into the movie,
00:22:08
Speaker
I say to myself, oh, shit, you know what? Gary was right. Because 45 minutes into the movie, I realized that, no, I'm not watching the Adam Sandler comedy. I'm watching Adam Sandler's superhero origin movie. Yeah. And that was one of the things that really jumped out to me. Because you hear Adam Sandler, and you've got a certain expectation of what kind of character he's going to be playing. You're going to be looking at a
00:22:32
Speaker
You're going to be looking at a comedy with a lot of goofy moments. You're going to see him doing his man baby stick and all that kind of stuff. And that's fine. He's found something that works for him and that people pay him money to do. But this is one of those movies where he steps out of that role. It's something different. And he's very subdued in this.
00:22:54
Speaker
He actually plays a recognizable human being in this movie. Like you said, he's not playing the goofy man, baby. And I think that that's part of why this movie, because this movie was a bomb. Nobody liked this movie. And I think it was because Adam Sandler played against type. Yes.
00:23:12
Speaker
in this movie. Everybody was expecting to go in and see him do the goofy man baby type of thing or they're expecting like the toilet humor. And there's none of that in this, matter of fact, there's a lot of heart in this movie. There's some nice emotional moments. And we see Adam Sandler, you know, coming to grips with this ability that he has. And I like the fact that, well, first of all, before we get into all this, I'm going to give the folks a brief summary if you don't mind.
00:23:39
Speaker
No, because this is one of those movies where, you know, I'm guessing like 90% of our audience has not seen this movie. So this is one of those movies that normally we go into the impression that, you know, you've probably seen the movie we're going to talk about today. But this is one of those movies that probably nobody has seen. So yeah, a plot summary is totally warranted, I think.
00:23:58
Speaker
Right, yeah. Which is why, remember last week, I had heavily advised people, yeah, you really should watch this before we talk about it, so you know what we're talking about. Okay, Adam Sandler plays Max Simken. He's a
00:24:15
Speaker
shoe man. He's a cobbler. He has a little shop on the Lower East Side of Manhattan that has been in his family for generations. And, you know, he's not making a lot of money. You know, he's taking care of his elderly mother who, you know, she goes in and out, if you know what I mean. Yeah, she's obviously got like Alzheimer's or something like that.
00:24:39
Speaker
Yeah. But he's doing the best he can. He works hard. He's fixing shoes all day long. In the shop next door to him is his best friend, Jimmy, played by our old friend, Steve Buscemi, who's great in the supporting role in this movie. I will not give away the
00:25:00
Speaker
you know, details of his relationship with Adam Sandler character. But it's wonderful. And anyway, so he's repairing these shoes and everything like that. So one day, this gangster comes in, played by Method Man, who gives him a pair of shoes and says, well, you better have these shoes fixed by 6 o'clock and blah, blah, blah. And they go back and forth. OK, so he fixes the shoes. So while he's waiting for him, he tries on the shoes and he looks up in the mirror and he looks exactly like Method Man.
00:25:30
Speaker
Yeah. Now, I should point out here that in the course of while he was fixing Method Man's shoes,
00:25:38
Speaker
His machine broke. So Max had to take out this old machine that was used by his father and his grandfather and his great grandfather to put new soles on these shoes. Right. And this harkens back to the beginning of the movie, The Opening, which took place in the early 1900s, where there's a group of these Jewish men. They're gathered in the cobbler's shop. And this cobbler is Max's great-great grandfather. Right.
00:26:05
Speaker
Pincus, I think his name, and he says, and they say to him, you know what, you know, there's this gangster who's trying to run us out of our businesses. He's harassing us and our families. And Pincus says, you know, he's like, well, I can't do anything. He's not a customer of mine. And they hand him a pair of the crook shoes like he is now. And so he takes the shoes and he goes down into the, into his shop and
00:26:29
Speaker
his son Herschel comes out. And Pinkus explains to him that, you know, one day, your grandfather, I think it was like, your grandfather, I think it was, or something like that. He's like, there was an angel came to earth and nobody would give him shelter except our relative, our ancestor. He says,
00:26:50
Speaker
He gave him shelter, he gave him food in bed for the night and he fixed his shoes. And in the morning, the next morning, the angel was gone. And in his place was this stitching machine. It's a very special machine. And that's the machine that Max finds in the basement when he's trying to find some way to continue working on these shoes.
00:27:16
Speaker
Right, so he puts a new, so apparently the deal with this machine is that if Max puts a new pair of soles on these shoes and then he puts on the shoes, he takes on the appearance of whoever owned those shoes. Yeah.
00:27:34
Speaker
So we see him, he's frantically going through the shop, and he spends all that first night, much like Superman flying through Metropolis for a night. He takes all these shoes and puts new soles on them and tries them on. And he's all these different people. And he say, oh my god. And then he starts figuring out what he can do with this.
00:27:59
Speaker
And there's like a montage that we have where he's an Asian and he just walks through Chinatown. He's hanging out in Chinatown. You know what? I got to say, was it just me or was this montage a little bit on the racist side?
00:28:13
Speaker
Because, you know, he goes, I mean, first off, since when can a non-Chinese person not go into Chinatown? But he goes into Chinatown, then he's like laughing, and he's like, oh, listen to my accent. And like- Oh, like it's a different world. Yeah, and then also- Oh, you want another planet, yeah. But also, every time he commits a petty crime, right? Like he goes, he eats at the restaurant and then he runs out without paying the bill, or he goes up to another guy and he steals his shoes. In both those cases, he's a black guy.
00:28:44
Speaker
But, but, okay, I get your point. But he always does that as a guy who's a criminal anyway. Well, not the first black guy. I don't know if that guy was a criminal or not. The guy at the restaurant. Well, when he goes to the restaurant and he's for free? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, I know what you mean. Yeah, he's another black guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:29:09
Speaker
as if that makes it any better. Oh, no. He was a different Black crook. He was a different Black guy. Oh, man. Just conversation.
00:29:26
Speaker
But yeah, but okay, I'll grant you that. I gotta admit to you, I didn't think about that when I was watching it because I'm watching it and what struck me was that, yeah, he finds out he has this ability to look like different people. And his first thought is not to be altruistic about it. Like you said, he does things like he goes into a fancy restaurant and he eats an expensive meal.
00:29:50
Speaker
Yeah, he goes into the bathroom and he puts on a different pair of shoes and walks out as another person, you know. Yeah. So he's thinking of all these things that he could do like to benefit himself. And, you know, he thinks about sleeping with the supermodel that lives down the block. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But
00:30:09
Speaker
But that was another one that was, well, he tries to sleep with two different women, right? First, there's that woman who approaches him in the bar, right? He's like, oh, you're a DJ. I saw you spinning at this club. And she's like, but you were interested in that supermodel. And he's like, oh, yeah, that's my girlfriend. She's like, no, it wasn't. It was a guy. It's like, oh, it wasn't. So Miliano's up to some hanky-panky behind the scenes.
00:30:35
Speaker
And so they get into the car, and he's like, all right, let's go back to your place. She's like, no, we can't. My boyfriend's there. And he's like, OK, well, we'll go back to my place then. Let me just call my mom. Let her know. So she doesn't get surprised. She looks at him, and she said, where do you live at? Oh, she said, Bey. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She said, Bey was my mom. And then it cuts to him getting out of the cab. All right, have a good night. Uh-huh, yeah. Yeah. So you know, so.
00:31:04
Speaker
He's finding out that there are drawbacks to being other people. And then when he goes to, I think her name is Taryn, he goes to her place as Emiliano to sleep with her because he bumps into the real Emiliano when he's walking around and he sees, oh, that's his house. He goes in and then he goes into the apartment and then she's like, yeah, come out in the shower with me. And he starts taking off his clothes and he realizes when he's taking off his pants, like shit.
Max's Journey in 'The Cobbler'
00:31:33
Speaker
If I take off, if I got to take off my shoes, take off my pants, if I take off my shoes, she's going to know I'm not the real guy. I'm not right. He doesn't end up sleeping with either of these women under false pretenses, but it's not because he's being moral about it. It's because he just physically can't. No, no, no, no. And like I said, that's one reason, that's one thing that I like about this movie is that he learns to be
00:32:03
Speaker
altruistic. He learns to use this power he has for a good purpose. He doesn't just start out, you know. In other words, it's to hold with great power, come with great responsibility thing. You know, that's the lesson that he learns during the course of this movie because he had the, uh, what was the girl's name? Carmen. She was coming to him and saying, well, I need your help.
00:32:23
Speaker
Right. You know, like our neighborhood is being gentrified and people, you know, small business owners such as yourself are being driven out by the rich white fat cats and stuff like that. And he kind of brushes her off. You know, Carmen is kind of like his burglar. Yeah. And that he brushes her off. And then, you know, she comes back and he has to make amends, you know, for what he's done. Once he's found out that he has his power and he's learned how to use it.
00:32:55
Speaker
Yeah, and then he also gets, you know, he's going after the Method Man's character, Leon, to try and steal his watches. Yeah, who is bragged about this collection of watches that he has. So when his mother, spoiler folks, passes away, and there's a very poignant scene where, because the mother had expressed to him in one of the moments,
00:33:21
Speaker
Right, because she said, if you could do anything you wanted, right? If you could be anyone, what would you, who would you be? And, you know, well, first she says, she's like, I'm your mother. I don't need to be anyone else, which was, I thought was like a little nice moment between them. But yeah, yeah, that was so sweet. Yeah. And she's like, the only thing I'd want is to have one more dinner with your father.
00:33:41
Speaker
And so he puts on his dad's shoes and they've been tinting at that, right? Cause he takes his dad's shoes out and he looks at them. And this one night he finally does and he puts, he fixes the soles, he puts them on and he turns into Dustin Hoffman. Yeah. Which you know what I noticed, cause I was surprised cause you had mentioned last week that Dustin Hoffman was in this movie and I'm sitting down there with Colton Oh and we're watching it. I'm watching the opening credits and maybe I blinked and I missed it, but I did not see Dustin Hoffman's name in the opening credits.
00:34:10
Speaker
No, no, it's not. Then I'm watching, I'm like, did Derek get this mixed up with another movie? Did he think Dustin Hoffman? He mistake whoever this guy is for Dustin Hoffman or something. But then we get to that scene. I'm like, oh, that is Dustin Hoffman. And you know what? I think he did that because his total screen time really doesn't amount to a whole lot. Right.
00:34:33
Speaker
you know, so maybe he just didn't feel like, you know, or maybe he just wanted to keep his secrets in the moment. Yeah. I don't know. But yeah, but that scene, like all of the scenes with his mother.
00:34:43
Speaker
you know, are very sweet and very gentle. And there is a real feeling when she passes away and he's sitting out by himself in the backyard. Well, there's actually another time when Dustin Hoffman did this where he was, you know, basically uncredited or like not involved in any promotion. And that was when he played Lisa's substitute teacher on The Simpsons.
00:35:05
Speaker
Right, because he was, I had watched that episode the other, like a few months ago or something, and I'm watching it, and there's all the references to the graduate and all that, and I'm like, that's Dustin Hoffman. Yep, yep. And then I get to the credits, and I got to double check, because that's got to be Dustin Hoffman, but his name didn't appear in the credits. And yeah, his name does not appear in the credits. He used a pseudonym in that show.
00:35:33
Speaker
So that was another time when, you know, he went basically uncredited in something because the, and yeah, you're right. Like in this one, you know, his role is not that major. It's a pivotal role. It is, as we eventually learned, you know, it's a very pivotal role, but in terms of like total screen time, he's really not on screen for like
00:35:59
Speaker
much of the movie. It's probably like, you know, 10 minutes at most. If that, if it's been that. Yeah. You know, but yeah, so once he finds out he has his ability, then a large part of the movie, we spend a large part of time with him trying to steal the watch from Leon, which goes horribly wrong. Yeah.
00:36:24
Speaker
So to speak, and and he gets caught up as Leon he finds out who is in back of the scheme to run all of these small business owners out of the Lower East Side, and it is amazingly, you know, a Helen Mirren level hot.
00:36:43
Speaker
Ellen Barkin. I mean if you got to be a gang boss, yeah be Ellen Barkin. So he finds out about the plan and the scheme, like I said the scheme to steal Leon's watches comes off but
00:37:08
Speaker
horribly somebody has to die when it happens. And to give him his credit, he actually goes to the police and tries to confess the crime. That's such a funny scene where he goes to the police to the apartment and he's like, no, it was all right here, right? He's like, they're like, okay, all right, all right, all right, yeah. And they just leave him alone. And let me just say this.
00:37:31
Speaker
For you Adam Sandler fans, this is one of the funniest scenes he's ever done. This shit is actually very funny. It's probably the funniest scene that's in the movie. Because you know what?
00:37:42
Speaker
OK, there is a great deal of seriousness in it. But this is not a heavy-handed movie. And there are a lot of light. There are a lot of lighter moments. And this is one of them, where he actually goes to the police and he tries to confess. And he's telling them the story. And the cops are looking at each other like, they don't know what to make of this guy. So then they go back to Leon's apartment.
00:38:05
Speaker
which is absolutely immaculate. There's nothing there. Yeah. And you know, and then, you know, so they figured that he's just loony. Then he goes back to his shop and his bag is there. His bag, because he walks around with a bunch of different shoes in a bag, which is like his utility belt. Anyway. Yeah. And I should also mention at this point that, yes,
00:38:29
Speaker
Oh, he does get a costume. That's, that's what I wish I realized. Yeah, as I'm watching it because he's, he's always wearing this trench coat with the scarf and that's kind of like his, his costume. Right. He would. Yeah, right. He was as long trench coat long break trench coat with a black and white scarf.
00:38:46
Speaker
Yeah. You know, so that's so we visually will know who he is whenever he's wearing, you know, like a shoe, you know, the shoes. But it's also like a costume. Yeah, yeah. You know, to reinforce the superhero angle, much like in Unbreakable. Right, with the slicker he wears. Right, yeah, the slicker he wears. This is something that he can wear, you know, he could just walk down the street in it and, you know, it doesn't look like a costume, but it is. Right, yeah. You know.
00:39:15
Speaker
So once he gets past the thing with Leon, now he's got to get involved in this thing with Ellen Barkin as the gang lord trying to gentrify the Lower East Side. And he hooks back up with Carmen, and he says, OK, well, I'm going
Themes and Reception of 'The Cobbler'
00:39:31
Speaker
to take care of this. And he's got a scheme in order to pay off one of the people that she's trying to run out, because he's got no money. He's a sick old man or whatever.
00:39:43
Speaker
and also to put her in jail. So this is the part of the movie where we see him where he's in full control of his superhero abilities and he's actually doing some good for somebody. He's made that transition now.
00:40:00
Speaker
And then he's abducted by the guy whose life he saved earlier as Leon, right? Because Leon's guys come into his place when he's portraying Leon, and they're like, oh, come on, we got to go. We got rat prey. And they got this guy who's like, oh, and they're like, he stole from you. And they're like beating the shit out of him. They're about to kill him.
00:40:23
Speaker
Which is another very funny scene. It's very funny. Yeah, yeah. And then Max, as Leon, he goes up to this guy, Rat Prick, and he's like, you know what you did was wrong, right? And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's like, you promise you're never going to do it again. He's like, no, I promise, I promise. I'll never do it again. He's like, all right, let him go. And the guy's like, wait, what? You're like, yeah, let him go. But he stole from us. Yeah, but he apologized. Yeah, but he's sorry. He's OK, too. And take him to the hospital. Yeah, take him to the hospital. He looks kind of beat up.
00:40:53
Speaker
He's just going to beat the shit out of him. They're going to take him to the hospital. And they can't believe it, but hey, he looks and sounds just like Leon. And may I say that Method Man does a great job in this movie, because those scenes where he's playing Max, being him. So he's not actually playing the character that we were introduced to him as. He's got to play Max. And he does a wonderful job. He's very funny, where he has to be funny.
00:41:22
Speaker
Oh yeah, I mean, Method Man's actually a pretty good actor. He is, yes. I mean, he was in this, he was also in Keanu with Key and Peele, using Red Tails apparently, which I never saw, but I heard was really good. Yeah, Red Tails, yeah, that was very good. So yeah, I mean, he's done some movies where it's like, yeah, he's actually pretty good in a lot of this stuff. And this one, yeah, he's, oh, I didn't know this, but apparently he was in The Wire as well.
00:41:52
Speaker
Really? Yeah, he was in The Wire and he was in Oz. You know what? It's been so long since I've seen either one. And I really keep saying to myself, you know what? I got to sit down. I got to watch The Wire again, because I haven't seen it like in years. It's like it was originally on. Yeah. And he was also in an episode of Burn Notice as well.
00:42:12
Speaker
Oh, OK. And he was in Garden State, too. I didn't really. And he had a cameo in that. Listen, he's been in a ton of stuff. Yeah. You know, if you look at his resume, you're surprised at how much stuff he's actually been in. Wikipedia has got a whole entry just for his filmography. Yeah. He's got a lot of stuff. Yeah. But yeah, in fact, he's probably one of the better performances in this movie, because there's not a lot.
00:42:41
Speaker
I actually started to doze off during this movie. It just, I couldn't really, I think I had the same problem that a lot of people had with it where it wasn't goofy enough to be like a funny Adam Sandler movie that I can enjoy. But at the same time, it also wasn't serious enough or good enough as a standalone movie to be something that I could really get. It kind of failed to meet both masters and either master. And so like that kind of turned me off a little bit to watch again.
00:43:10
Speaker
And that's a fair assessment because, you know what, and I can see why this movie did not succeed. Just because of those reasons that you named, you know, this,
00:43:21
Speaker
Because, OK, when I say it's a superhero origin movie, some people will watch it and they will have a certain expectation of what it is. But it's not a high octane movie. No. In fact, the comparison you made to Unbreakable is really fitting. I didn't even think about that until you mentioned it. But you're right. It's very much that same style. It tries to be a lighthearted version of Unbreakable. Exactly. That's what it is. It's that same kind of pacing.
00:43:50
Speaker
Yeah, and you know because we don't like rush to this big conclusion where you know Uh, there's a big fighting and everything like that as a matter of fact the movie ends With the promise at least to me that there's going to be you know sequels Right same just like unbreakable did unbreakable had the same type of ending, right? It was like this is this is a prequel to the superhero story to superhero story exactly so
00:44:16
Speaker
you know for those of you who are listening when you go into this movie don't go into this with the expectation that you're going to see like a real high octane action movie with like fights and everything like that it's not like that it's it is more character-based like Unbreakable it's more about relationships it's more about this guy max
00:44:37
Speaker
find it because he starts out in the movie he's talking to Steve Buscema and he's saying yeah well this is the shop that I've been running and my father ran it his father ran it and I'm just doing it just because it's something that they did he said I want to find out what my thing is and when he finds out you know when he discovers uh
00:44:57
Speaker
uh that machine and he learns about disability you know and then he realizes this is his thing which is reinforced by what happens at the end when you know
00:45:12
Speaker
his destiny, for lack of a better word, is revealed to him. And he realized that this is his thing. So yeah, so that's what this movie is really about. Like you say, it's not goofy enough to satisfy the typical Adam Sandler fan. Because I don't think the typical Adam Sandler fan, I would imagine, would sit here 15 minutes into it. They would say, what the hell is this shit? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah.
00:45:37
Speaker
And there are some like the pickle thing and it's explained at the end. So it makes sense when you get to the end, but the entire time watching like, what the fuck is with this guy and all the goddamn pickles?
00:45:49
Speaker
Yeah exactly because he goes like and even the girl Carmen mentions that she said man that's a lot of because he's got like a case of pickles. He usually buys like who buys a freaking case of pickles to eat on their own? Yeah who buys a case of pickles? He's walking out of the store she's like what do you got there he's like pickles. Yeah and we see that in his shop he has like a jar he keeps like on it you know that he keeps there he just I said wait a minute nobody loves pickles that damn much. Yeah
00:46:18
Speaker
And at the end, when he finds it, they're like, you know, here, eat a pickle. Why are you trying to give me a pickle? And he's like, well, because pickles replenish your energy whenever you change, whenever you change bodies. Right. Oh, okay. Now, okay. Now we, you know, there's a payoff that you understand because yeah, because while you're watching it, you will be saying this up because I know I did the first time. I said, what is the deal with him and his damn pickles? Yeah.
00:46:47
Speaker
And then, you know what I think was kind of interesting here is how they take that whole, because that scene at the end, and they take the whole idea of like, you know, the Jewish conspiracy, right? From like the protocols, the elders design that like, there's this secret cabal of Jewish people and they're trying to run the world and all that. They take that and they flip it.
00:47:11
Speaker
Yeah right so there is this secret cabal of Jewish people but they're not trying to you know you know kidnap children or drink blood or any of the other nonsense you see on the internet but they're doing it because they're they're they're protecting their neighborhoods. Yeah yeah and I thought that was a nice
00:47:31
Speaker
little thing, like I said, they're interested in protecting neighborhoods, not necessarily, because if you start out protecting individual neighborhoods, it grows and grows and eventually you end up protecting the world. Right. Yeah. And they say, you know, um, you know, yeah, well, you know, there, there, it's not just us. There's a lot, there's a lot of tradesmen that like us. So it's like, it's like this whole idea of like, you know, these working class guys who are, who are protecting the world, basically. Yeah. Except for dry cleaners.
00:48:01
Speaker
except for dry clears, yeah. Those guys are the worst. I got a good 15 minutes laughing about it. I had to pause the movie. I said, that shit is so true. But yeah, I mean, it's, I liked, there's some things I liked about it. Like I liked Dustin Hoffman. I liked Method Man. I liked Steve Buscemi.
00:48:30
Speaker
um that's that's i like dylan barkin too she was good in it too oh yeah but um but like the whole the the track the burgeoning relationship with um carmin it never goes anywhere right it's it's almost like this forgotten plot point that just kind of gets
'The Cobbler' in Sandler's Career
00:48:47
Speaker
dropped well we have well
00:48:51
Speaker
OK, we have the little teaser that we get when she asks them out to dinner. Right, yeah. And they exchange phone numbers. And that's about it. But you know what? I kind of like that, too, because there wasn't anything that was contrived to make them fall in love. Yeah.
00:49:07
Speaker
you know, right away, even, and I think it could be because, well, Adam Sandler always looks older than his co-stars anyway. It's female co-stars, if you ask me, because his character does look like he's considerably older than she is. Yeah, well, I think he is, because, yeah, she's actually younger than me. She was born in 84. He was born in 66. So yeah, there's a pretty significant age difference there.
00:49:32
Speaker
Yeah, so they changed phone numbers, but I appreciated the fact that the plot wasn't contrived to make them instantly fall in love and stuff like that because they have a pretty business-like relationship up until that ending
00:49:48
Speaker
where they exchange the phone numbers. And she says, oh, well, you know, do you want to go out for dinner? And he says, and even then still, we're not getting any hint of a romance, but we're getting a hint that he's becoming more sociable and becoming more out, you know, he's going to get out and meet people and not, because
00:50:06
Speaker
What I got previously was that he was the guy that just went to work and then came home and took care of his mother and that was it. Yeah, yeah. You know, because we never hear him talk about having any friends or going out with the guys. He's definitely not baby. The only friend he seems to have is Jimmy. Yeah, that's like the only friend he seems to have. Right, exactly. So
00:50:30
Speaker
I took that that he's becoming more sociable, that he sees himself as part of a larger community. Now he does see himself as part of a larger community. Because he's kind of like nasty. Well, not even nasty. But she comes to him, and when they first meet, she wants to get him to sign the petition to save the neighborhood from the real estate guys that are coming in.
00:50:56
Speaker
Yeah, you just kind of dismissive of her. Yeah. And they're having this back and forth and everything like that. And he said, well, before you ask me any of these questions, you should have made sure that I really wanted to stay here. Yeah. You know, and then she gives them this look like, okay, I can see you want to be a dick. Fine. You know, you know, so, yeah, so they don't have, you know, they don't start off being friends. There's no like neat, cute,
00:51:21
Speaker
Right, yeah, yeah. And they have a pretty much business-like relationship up until the ending scene. Like I said, which I appreciated more than if they had stuffed in a manufactured, you know, love kind of relationship. You know what? Because this movie already has enough going on already.
00:51:44
Speaker
It's almost got too much going on is what I think the thing is. So that's kind of why like these different, so that's why the romance angle and all that gets kind of dropped. And for a movie that's only, you know, it's under a hundred minutes, it's like 98 minutes long total. And it just doesn't, it has more going on than it needs to for that. There's a lot going on in this movie. Yeah. And it doesn't really need that much going on. You know, cause we've got the two villains,
00:52:14
Speaker
you know, after we get rid of one, you know, there's still the other one. It's like he graduates from the low level street thug to, you know, the upper class, you know, white collar crook. Right, yeah, yeah. You know, he kind of like practices his powers on the low level street thug.
00:52:34
Speaker
Here's the Method Man character. And then he graduates to Ellen Barkin, who represents a higher level of crook. And you know what? There was something I noticed in that when he first walks into Ellen Barkin's house, and he's disguised as Leon. And he looks up at her daughter. Her daughter flicks him off. I'm wondering, did Leon maybe have something going on with that daughter?
00:53:01
Speaker
I did, yeah, yeah. That's how I interpreted it. That's what I thought too, yeah. Yeah, something going on with the daughter. And I thought that might have become a plot point. That's something else that just kind of dropped. So that's why I was wondering if maybe it was just like, just showing that, you know, she's just like her mom and that she's a hard ass type of thing. Well, I wouldn't put the best hat either, you know. But we never see the daughter after that. No, no. We just see her for that one brief scene and then, you know, she's never mentioned again. Yeah.
00:53:32
Speaker
And he got the whole thing with Macy, played by Dasha Polanco from Orange of the New Black. And that's all something else where there's this little thing where you think there might be something bigger that they're going to enjoy with it, but it just kind of resolved really quickly in the end. Leon's girlfriend.
00:53:54
Speaker
right oh yeah when he just goes yeah when he goes back and he just gives her like a bunch of the watches yeah yeah yeah yeah you know that's he yeah they they they open a lot of boxes and then they just like shut them really quickly and so yeah the the script feels a little bit schizophrenic in that way you know what i mean
00:54:14
Speaker
Oh, yeah. There's definitely some things that could have been trimmed, like the whole thing with the girlfriend, Leon's girlfriend. Because there actually really is no reason for her to be in the movie. There really is. When you think about it and you say, well, you know what? OK. You know the reason why she's there?
00:54:36
Speaker
Why? So that Max knows what apartment Leon lives in. That, and also just to show what a dick Leon is. I think that's the other reason. Yeah, that's it. Right, because he knows what floor Leon went to, but he has no other way. But she's got one of her bags that is propping open the door for whatever reason.
00:54:58
Speaker
Well, the only reason is that so Max knows that that's the apartment to go to. There's a lot of contrivance in this film. There's a lot of scenes that happen just because the plot needs them to happen. Like that, when it's like, oh, it just so happens to be the one apartment that has the door propped open. Yeah. And there was another one too that I was thinking of. Oh, when he runs into Emiliano,
00:55:26
Speaker
right outside Emiliano's apartment. He just happens to run into him when he wants to pose the guy to find his girlfriend. There's a lot of that kind of stuff that happens in this movie. And he has to take off one of his shoes real quick so he can look like himself. Yeah, yeah.
00:55:45
Speaker
So yeah, they got a lot of the, they're like, oh, fuck it. We just need the plot to do this for us. Yeah, exactly. We just got to keep the plot moving, folks. So we're going to have this happen. But yeah, but I don't know. You know me. I find it hard to criticize a movie when it's got its heart in the right place. Right, right. And this movie does. It has its heart in the right place.
00:56:14
Speaker
in that, okay, going back to what I said earlier, it's a genuine human performance from Adam Sandler. I love the scene where he's in the backyard, him and Steve Yosemite.
00:56:31
Speaker
And they're talking, and he's talking about his life. Yeah, yeah. That is a really good scene. Yeah, that's a really heartfelt scene. Yeah. And it doesn't feel forced. It's one of those scenes that show that when he wants to, Adam Sandler can't act. Yeah, he can. And we've mentioned him before and talked about how that his whole stick he does, because that's what pays the bills, basically. And you can't fault him for that. No, no. He knows what his audience wants, and he gives it to them.
00:57:02
Speaker
and respect to him for giving them what they want. But he does have these movies where he proves that he is beyond that, like Punch-Drunk Love, like Spanglish. I think you also mentioned, I haven't seen it, but you mentioned Rain Over Me, I think it was called. Rain Over Me, yeah. Yeah, yeah. So he does have this ability to be in these more serious roles. It's just that it's more of a choice for him to do like the goofy man-baby stick.
00:57:27
Speaker
Yeah, and like you said, those are the roles that pay the bills. Exactly, yeah. As I said earlier, I can just imagine that those who are fans of his toilet humor and his usual man-baby kind of shtick and everything like that, they go see this, and they probably did not know what to make of it. Matter of fact, they did not market this movie
00:57:56
Speaker
properly at all because they didn't know what type of movie it was. Right, yeah. Really, I don't think anybody really knew what type of movie this was, which is why I got dumped on Netflix so fast. Yeah, and it was a limited release, so very few theaters and just released on VOD, so like Netflix, iTunes, Amazon, all that type of stuff. Right, and I don't think that anybody
00:58:20
Speaker
Okay, I don't think anybody saw this, who made the connection and said, hey, you know something, we can make a ton of money if we market this as an Adam Saylor playing a superhero. Nobody thought to do that. Now would anybody have bought it? I don't know.
00:58:41
Speaker
But again, going back to the correlation between this and Unbreakable. Unbreakable wasn't marketed as a superhero movie. Just like Unbreakable, this was just marketed as the new Adam Sandler movie. They didn't say exactly what it was about, same way that Unbreakable was just marketed as the new M. Night Shyamalan movie and that was it. They didn't tell you what it was about, you had to go see it.
00:59:05
Speaker
And apparently, this was the biggest flop of Sandler's career. Oh, yeah. I'm sure it was. Yeah. And like I said, you're not really pleasing any audience here. Yeah. I can truly understand why this was a flop, because this was so unlike anything before or since that Adam Sandler is made. He's never made another movie like this again. No. Yeah.
00:59:35
Speaker
Well, he made, I don't know, I never saw it, but he also made, right after this, he made Men, Women and Children, which I've heard is also kind of like in the same realm where it doesn't know, it's not funny enough to be like really funny, but it's too cliche to be like really serious. Oh, okay. See, I've never even heard of that. I never heard of it either, but I just saw it on Wikipedia. It says that he shot this film right before he began Men, Women and Children, which was directed by Jason Brightman.
01:00:06
Speaker
But then again, you take another, what was that really, truly wretched movie he made where he played twins? I don't know. I don't think I saw that one. I can't remember. Oh, man. And everybody went to see that piece of shit. Oh, yeah. Yeah. What was the name of that movie? It was a movie where he played twins. And it was a horrible movie. But yeah, everybody loved that one.
01:00:37
Speaker
So, so listen, you know what I do, unlike most people, I do not fault an artist for when they keep making the same movie over and over. Like you hear that they say, well, I hate him. He makes the same movie over and over again. Yeah. But every time he makes the same movie over and over and over again, he gets a hundred million dollars open the weekend. So actually he was a, he looks like he would, he had did something else called uncut gems. It's a, it's a crime thriller. Oh my God. Don't mention that movie to me.
01:00:57
Speaker
Yeah. And nobody went to see this one.
01:01:07
Speaker
Is it bad? You know what? OK. Patricia and I watched that because neither one of us particularly. Oh, no, I think she made, like, Adam Sandler a little bit more than I do. But anyway, we wanted to watch this movie. It was on Netflix. Everybody was talking about how great it was. That was the movie that they were talking about that he might finally win the Academy Award for Best Actor. Right. That was one of the most.
01:01:35
Speaker
It was two hours of him playing 1980s Al Pacino. Oh, OK. This is one of those movies that I look at it, and I honestly do not understand what everybody sees in it that was supposed to be so good. It was a terrible movie. Oh, so I think I found the one that you're talking about where he plays two characters, Jack and Jill? Yeah, Jack and Jill. Where he plays his own sister. Right, yeah, Jack and Jill.
01:02:04
Speaker
Yeah, I heard that was terrible. Terrible is not the word for it.
01:02:13
Speaker
It's one of them movies, and I got a favorite phrase that Patricia, she gets tired of hearing me saying, but I always say when I watch something like that, I say, you know what? Somebody actually got paid to write this shit? Yeah, I've definitely had those moments. I'm like, you know what? I'm struggling to get my books out, and then someone gets paid to write this shit while he's high on the crapper. Oh my god.
01:02:39
Speaker
Yeah. Somebody actually got paid for that. Oh, it's ridiculous. Yeah. But hey, it is what it is.
01:02:51
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But yeah, but I can see why this movie was not a success and why a lot of people didn't go see it. And me personally, I think it's a shame because it's one of those anomalies, like Unbreakable. I hate to keep coming back to that, folks. But really, that is the only movie that, now, mind you, I am not saying that the cobbler is as good as Unbreakable. No, no, no, no, definitely not. I am not saying that. What I am saying is that I think that if you watch
01:03:19
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the cobbler, you will see that there are definitely some similarities to Unbreakable. There's a certain style there. There's a certain way that the story unfolds that reminded me of Unbreakable. And I think that like Unbreakable, it is one of these anomalies that pop up every once in a while that, yeah, you don't think of it as being a superhero movie, but then the more you watch it, the more you say, yeah, OK. Yeah. It is a superhero movie.
01:03:47
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It is, like I said, it's a lighthearted, poorly written version of Unbreakable. Yeah. That's basically what it is. And it's the same idea. You got this normal working class guy who discovers he's got this ability. And as he's learning about the ability, he slowly gets wrapped up. Another thing, slowly discovers he can use this to do some good in the world. That's exactly what happens in Unbreakable.
01:04:15
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Yeah, exactly. And if you're an Adam Sandler fan and you want to watch him, it's something different. Yeah, this is decidedly a different side of Adam Sandler. He really is. I have very few favorite Adam Sandler movies, but this is one of my favorite ones. It really is. I really do like this movie a lot.
01:04:41
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I would not go that far myself, but I like Adam Sandler more than you do. I really wish that we could have had more movies about Max because
01:04:59
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when we get to the ending, which pretty much put the stamp on what the movie actually is about. It teasing you all the way through, but once we get to that ending, like the last 10 minutes of the movie, it like kind of like, okay, it rubber stamps that, yeah, this is a superhero movie. Exactly.
01:05:16
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you know, and it sets it up, you know, for, you know, future movies. I really would, you know, I am not gonna say that a lot. Yeah, well, I wish I could see a sequel, but I wish I could have seen a sequel to this. I was thinking the same thing, because the entire time I'm watching it, I'm just like, man, I'm gonna, I'm gonna roast Eric over the fact this isn't a superhero movie at all. But then you get to that last scene, I'm like, oh, okay, I get it now. Yeah.
01:05:38
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Yeah. And it sets it up all the way through the movie, starting right when you said, right when those Jewish guys are sitting around the table, and then we hear the story about how Max's family got this... Magic stitcher for lack of a better term. Yeah. It sets it up all the way through and with him getting the costume.
01:06:02
Speaker
It's all these little superhero tropes that we are used to seeing in other types of movies. If we had seen all of this in another type of movie, we would have said, okay, yeah, sure, superhero movie. But because it's Adam Sandler, and he's playing such a realistic character.
01:06:20
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And the movie is so low energy. It's not a high octane movie with explosions and gunfights and stuff like that. We don't make that correlation. Right, yeah. It's just a superhero movie. Yeah. It doesn't go, like I said, it doesn't go far enough in either direction.
01:06:37
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It doesn't meet that people who are just looking for a dumb Adam Sandler comedy. And it doesn't appease the people who want something more serious. And to add a third point to that triangle, it doesn't have enough going on, enough action or enough excitement for it to really appease superhero fans. So it really doesn't know what kind of movie it wants to be. Exactly. Exactly.
01:07:06
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I agree with you 100%. However, I am going to maintain that for our fans and our loyal listeners, I urge you to watch this movie, you know, if you have no, I mean, I'm not gonna say that it's a classic of the genre that you have to watch.
01:07:21
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But I would hope that the discussion Perry and I have had, that it would pique your curiosity that you would want to give it a try because it is worth checking out at least once, I think. I'd agree with that. Yeah, I didn't like it as much as you did, but I don't feel like I completely wasted my time.
01:07:42
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Oh, good. Yeah. And it's not like, cause I read the reviews and I'm like, oh God, this is gonna be such a piece of shit. I'm gonna get pissed off at Derek. We're never gonna work together again after this. But then I watched it and I'm thinking to myself, this is revenge because I made him watch Daredevil and Deadpool. But no, but I watched it and I'm like, okay, it's not,
01:08:10
Speaker
It's not great, but it's not terrible either. No, no, exactly. Exactly. It's got enough entertainment value where I didn't hate it. And that's basically another way of saying, you know what, if you're going to watch something, you're not completely wasting your time with this. There are better movies to watch as well, but there's also a lot worse you can do. OK. Listen, as long as you feel that your time was wasted, I'm satisfied. Right.
01:08:41
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Not really. I mean, hey, folks, trust me. Anything I recommend, I would recommend it if I thought it was going to waste your time. And I sincerely believe you would not be wasting your time watching the Cobra. Even know what I'm going to go so far is that even if you're not an Adam Sandler fan, give this one a try because it's
01:09:00
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You know, but it's different. It's a different Adam Sandler. And you're the prime example of that because like you said, you're not an Adam Sandler fan. Yeah, I'm not Adam Sandler. And I enjoyed it. I enjoyed his performance. I enjoyed his performance, period, a lot. I'd say, yeah, I'd say if, especially if you're not an Adam Sandler fan, you should give this a try.
01:09:22
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Yeah. Because if you're an Adam Sandler fan, you will probably be disappointed. But if you're not, then you might say like, oh, OK, I didn't know he had this kind of performance in him. This is the Adam Sandler movie for people who don't like Adam Sandler. Exactly. Much like Punch-Drunk Love and Rain Over Me. And again, I'm not saying that this movie is in their league, but it's a different Adam Sandler who will probably end up surprising you just like he surprised me.
01:09:52
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Right, yeah, yeah. Okay, anything else you want to touch on with this film? We're kind of clocking a little short, not as much to talk about with this movie. Yeah, yeah, because, well, you know what, it's not, you know, our usual movie. Right. And really, we can't go into too much detail about this because as you so wisely pointed out, unlike most of our other movies, you know, we could just jump in and we could just ramble on and on because, you know, we talk about movies that 99% of the world has seen.
01:10:21
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A lot of people have, a lot of people haven't seen this movie and I really, that's why I deliberately have stayed away from any discussion of a lot, because believe it or not folks, and Perry even said it, there's a lot that goes on in this movie. As much as we've talked about, there's a lot of other plot points that we did not mention, which is important for you to see in order to have the full enjoyment of the movie, especially the ending, like I said, with the rubber stamp on it.
01:10:49
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You know, there is there is a twist ending, which you know what, I realized, did you figure out the twist before? No, I did not. Okay. I think I believe when it happened, I said, Oh, shit. I did. I said, Oh, shit, I'll laugh. Wow. I think I figured it out. Shortly after his mother died. Okay, there's a scene there that I think I'm like, Oh, yeah, I think that's what's going on there. Okay. And then what happened at the end, I'm like, Okay, yeah, I was right.
01:11:19
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Well, you're younger and smarter anyway. Well, the funny thing is I usually don't see those twists coming. So when I do, I'm just like, hey, I got it. I got it. Yeah, no, I honestly didn't get it. And I was happy I didn't get it because I was so pleasantly surprised with it and pleased at how the movie ended. Yeah.
01:11:42
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You know, I should also mention that, you know what, you don't get a lot of Jewish superheroes. No, no. You don't see a lot of Jewish superhero movies. Especially unapologetically Jewish, like this. Yeah, yeah. Like, they really play into the whole stuff with the
01:12:00
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with the Torah and the angel, and they don't shy away from the fact that these people are Jewish. Yeah, and proud of it. Very proud of it, yeah. I'm proud of it, which I like.
01:12:14
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you know, having, you know, Jewish friends who I love and revere. Yeah, I was, I said, wow, that's really, you know, I thought it was cool. Yeah, I did too. That was actually one of the things, like I, even though I didn't care much for the film as a whole, I did think it had a great ending. It really stuck the ending. Yeah. And, and that, and that, and, and if, and you know what, it's like, you know, you know, the movie adaptation with Nicholas Cage and, and,
01:12:45
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who's his name, Brian Cox he plays Robert McKee in that, who is, you know, the famous screenwriting teacher and Nicholas Cage goes in for writing advice and he tells Nicholas Cage at one point he's like wow him in the end, he's like you know what you can have
01:13:01
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You can have a, you know, the beginning, the middle, those can be shit. But if you hit it, if you wow him in the end, you've got to hit. And he was right, like this, if not for this ending, I would have probably hated this movie and never spoken to you again. Yeah, yeah. Oh, well, you know something? If it hadn't been for the ending, I wouldn't have recommended it. But once you get to that ending, and it's like all of these threads are tied up,
01:13:28
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very neatly and very compactly. And you said, oh, and then you think back, you know, and I said, oh, well, of course that's where they was. Of course that's what this is. Yeah. This will be an origin movie. Of course. Okay. Yeah. And like I said before, I love the twist on the Jewish conspiracy theory. Yeah.
New Superhero Movie Discussion
01:13:49
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That was, I think, that was my favorite part of the movie. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:54
Speaker
You know what, I really hope that a lot of people do check this out. It's a nice little...
01:14:00
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It's a nice movie. It's a nice movie. And like I said, it's like under 100 minutes, so you're not going to be wasting a whole lot of time. And if you want something different from the big budget, $500 trillion CGI blockbusters, and you want to see a more down-to-earth superhero movie, a more human superhero movie, this is definitely a street-level superhero movie. Yeah, yeah.
01:14:28
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You can see this guy working in the same neighborhood that the Netflix Marvel characters worked in.
01:14:37
Speaker
Um, maybe I'd probably go more with, uh, maybe not as dark, but yeah, definitely. Yeah, not as dark, but, you know. No, I was talking about, like, I mean, you know, like the street level angle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, this isn't, this isn't about, you know, some mastermind trying to take over the world or, you know, or some high-tech, you know, criminal with a suit of armor, you know, terrorizing the neighborhood. It's very neighborhood concerned and very neighborhood problems. Right. This is just a guy who's trying to help his neighborhood.
01:15:05
Speaker
Right, exactly. Like I said, it's a down-to-earth neighborhood type of superhero movie, which is what we need. I remember years ago reading it in Avengers.
01:15:17
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And Spider-Man had been missing for a number of years. He had been missing for like six months, something like that. So the Avengers, they had people out trying to find them, and they were looking for them. They were making inquiries. And it was somebody, I forget who it was, but they asked Iron Man, they said, well, why are we wasting all this time looking for Spider-Man? Should we do it? And Iron Man says to them, listen, Spider-Man is very important. Spider-Man is not out there on the street, keeping the street level
01:15:47
Speaker
crime down, then we have to do that. Yeah, that's one of the reasons why I never liked them making characters like Spider-Man or Daredevil or Luke Cage Avengers. No, characters like that should never be Avengers. Yeah, they belong on the streets. That was one of my favorite moments of Spider-Man Homecoming was when he tells Tony that, you know what, I'd rather stay on the ground, you know, be a friendly neighborhood Spider-Man.
01:16:12
Speaker
Because that's what he's supposed to do. He's supposed to be keeping an eye out for the little guy. Right. That's why he's your friendly neighborhood Spider-Man, not your friendly cosmic Spider-Man. And when I say that to people, people say, oh, why y'all? So you don't think that Luke Cage is good enough to be in there? No, that's not the point. Nobody said he wasn't good enough. But that's his thing. That's his niche. He's out there.
01:16:36
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He's out there taking care of the street level crime. He's taking care of the people that the Avengers are too busy to take care of because they're out in space fighting Thanos and, you know, the Kree or whoever. Yeah, exactly. That's what they do. This is what he does. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And that's who this character...
01:16:54
Speaker
That's who I see this character as being in that vein, in that, you know, he's on the street taking care of, you know, street problems because, you know, the biggest superheroes, if there are superheroes in this world, they're not taking care of that. Right. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I agree completely. All right.
Preview of 'Civil War' Episode and Boseman's Role
01:17:12
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So I think that about wraps it up for our discussion about the cobbler. So, yeah. I mean, yeah.
01:17:20
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Because, you know what, next week, you know, we're probably going to be taking two or three hours with Civil War. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because, you know what, we got to go into, and because, you know, we're doing it, like I chose that movie, because I felt like we need to talk more about Chadwick Boseman and how much he brought to the role of Black Panther and how much he meant to
01:17:42
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not only this generation of fans but generations going forward because this is going to be a performance like Christopher Reeve that people are talking about long after. Absolutely. And so we're planning on getting to all the MCU movies eventually but Civil War definitely at this point I think it's
01:18:06
Speaker
this is one that we definitely need to talk about and to talk about, not only Boseman's performance, but there's just, there is so much in that movie. So we're going to have a lot to talk about in the next episode. Yeah, because this is the movie. Usually when I talk to a lot of people and I ask them what is their favorite or what do they think is the best MCU movie, they'll either say Winter Soldier or this one. Yeah.
01:18:33
Speaker
And for a while, I was one of those people who would say that as well. In time, you know, Endgame is obviously surpassed. Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. My opinion on Civil War, I still love it, but it's cooled a little in comparison to some of the other movies. It works. It works for me. I love it because it works both as Captain America movie and as an Avengers movie. Yes. You could take it either way. Yeah, exactly. And it also has one of the best
01:19:00
Speaker
It switches the formula more than any other MCU movie has, I think pretty much, yeah, pretty much more than any other MCU movie. Because in all the other MCU movies, there's this mid-fight scene in the middle of the movie, and then there's this big epic fight scene at the end of the movie. This movie flips it, right? It puts the big epic scene right in the middle of the movie, and then the- Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:19:27
Speaker
I mean, for many years, that was the best superhero fight scene on, you know? Oh, yeah. That was it. I mean, even the Wakanda fight scene in Infinity War, I don't think matches the airport scene. No, yeah, yeah. As good as it was, yeah. As good as it was, yeah. The only thing that gets better is the big fight at the end of Endgame.
01:19:47
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Well, that's like the brawl for it all. Oh, god. Nobody's ever going to top that. Nobody's ever going to top that fight. And you know what? Don't even try. That thing is going to stand for like, and again, going back to what you said earlier about how you thought that when
01:20:14
Speaker
you know, not Iron Man, Tony Stark was gone, that T'Challa the Black Panther was going to take over. He's the first hero to come back. Exactly, right? You hear Sam's voice over the communicator, but the first person to walk through that portal is T'Challa. And there's a reason for that. Yeah, there's that look between Cap and T'Challa. And that's like, that's a passing of the torch, basically.
01:20:40
Speaker
And you want to talk about I still remember I saw that three times in the movie theater every time That happened when T'Challa was the first one to step through that portal the theater went absolute batshit insane Absolutely. Yeah every single time. Yes. Yeah And yeah, i'm one of those people every time I see that happen every time I watch T'Challa come out of that portal i'm just like, oh, yeah Shit's about to go down. Oh shit's about to get real that yeah
01:21:08
Speaker
Oh, man. Just so phenomenal. So phenomenal. But yeah. Yeah. I think we can afford to be a little short with this episode. Yeah. Civil War is going to be at least two hours. Yeah, yeah. You guys are. Anyone who's like that, he was like, oh, we want our money back that
MCU Movie Re-watching Habit
01:21:24
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we didn't pay. You know, we'll get you covered next week.
01:21:31
Speaker
No, but you know what? I think it's going to be like that with any MCU movie that we discussed because now we have the benefit of looking at it from, you know, we've had time to internalize a lot of the subtext of the older movies. Yeah. So now we can go back and say, okay, I can see how this paid off later on.
01:21:54
Speaker
you know, down the road in this movie. And plus, you know, you and I, we've seen these movies multiple, multiple, multiple times. So there's like, I mean, like, I've lost count of how many times I've seen Endgame. So like, I mean, you could put that movie on, hit the mute button and I could quote it verbatim and I'd not get anything wrong. I've seen,
01:22:19
Speaker
Okay, first of all, I've got them all on Blu-ray. And these are like movies that I can watch it.
01:22:24
Speaker
It gets to the end credits. I put the damn movie right back to the beginning to start watching it all over again. I have done that with Endgame. Yeah. Endgame, Civil War, Black Panther, Ant-Man. And I've done that thing where I'm just like, where like, you're like, oh, I'll just watch one movie. And then it's like potato chips. And then the next thing you know, you're putting out your next thing you know, it's like, it's like three in the morning and you've watched like five movies. Yeah. Yeah. I've done that. Yeah. So I said, well, you know what? I'm just going to watch.
01:22:52
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, you know, I never, I never actually think I'm going to watch Age of Ultron, but if I watched the Avengers or, or civil war or something to that, then I'm like, you know what? I want to watch Age of Ultron again now. Well, well, well, you know what? Why wouldn't you?
01:23:11
Speaker
I mean, like me. I cannot watch, to date, I have not just watched one Thor movie. Like, if I watch Thor, I'm watching the other two. That's it. You know, it's not even a question. It's not even an issue. It's not like I say, OK, well, I'm going to just watch Thor. And that's it. No. I sit there, and as soon as I'm finished that, I'm putting in the dark world. As soon as the dark world is over, Ragnarok's going in there. It's 3 or 4 o'clock in the morning, Patricia's screaming at me, take your ass to bed already. Steam that, you know.
01:23:41
Speaker
Yeah. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. 10 more minutes. They're about to blow up Asgard. You
Pop Culture's Influence on Parenting
01:23:48
Speaker
know what? It's a good thing you guys never had kids because, you know, you and the kid would be ganging up on Patricia. It's like 10 more minutes, 10 more minutes. Oh, that's what she says. So you know what she says? No, she said it's a good thing we didn't have kids because you're enough. Yeah. And I guarantee you that's what's going to happen with me and my kid. Like, we're going to get to that point where it's like we're watching, like,
01:24:09
Speaker
The kids are going to come out watching Endgame with me late at night. And Coknow's going to come out screaming at us. Kids got school in the morning. What are you doing? I'm like, just, we're almost done with this movie. Come on. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. School? I am educating the child. Yeah, yeah. This is the education and pop culture. Because a lot of times, you know what? Because
01:24:31
Speaker
Okay Patricia has always said one of the things that she loves about our relationship that we have is that when she was growing up she had very strict Pentecostal upbringing and she was not exposed to a lot of pop culture and she says oh you know you know I exposed her to a lot of stuff that she missed.
01:24:48
Speaker
And she enjoyed it. And she said, yeah. She said, you know, if we had had kids, she said, that would have been good that you could have taught our kids all of this stuff. You know? Because she said, yeah, this stuff is cool. You know? So, yeah. So your child is going to get, your child will get an education. Oh, yeah. My kids are going to grow up like having comic books read to them. So they're going to, they're going to, they're going to grow up like listening to like Beatles songs instead of lullabies and that kind of stuff. So yeah, they're, they're definitely going to have a pop culture upbringing.
01:25:16
Speaker
And see, this stuff now is not like when I was coming up, that if you still read comic books past a certain age, people looked at you kind of funny. Oh, yeah. But now this stuff is all mainstream. Right, exactly. So it's not like your kid is going to grow up being stigmatized because they know who all the Avengers were before they knew the ABCs.
01:25:42
Speaker
Right. I mean, stuff like that. You know, kids don't have to live with that stigma anymore of, you know, loving comic books and cartoons and, you know, superhero movies and video games and all that kind of stuff, because that stuff is all mainstream. They're growing up with this stuff now, which I think is great. I wish I could have grew up with all this stuff, you know, like they're doing.
01:26:04
Speaker
You know, I got there are some there are some students at one of my schools who are or under the age of 20, right? And so when they they're like, they're like 15, six. And so when they told me about, you know, oh, I grew up watching like Iron Man. It was like the first movie I ever saw. I'm like, how is that? Oh, wow. Yeah. And I think about it. I'm like, oh, yeah, I can see how that's possible. But yeah, you know, this is, you know, it's
01:26:31
Speaker
And because it's so mainstream, like this is their Star Wars. Yeah, exactly, exactly. And like growing up, like my parents were never like pop culture fiends. Like my mom, she watched movies when they came on TV, right? My dad, you know, he liked James Bond movies. He liked war movies. And that was about it. Other than that, he was just like pretty much a TV guy. Like they weren't really, they didn't have any pop culture. They were passionate about or anything like that.
01:26:59
Speaker
Oh, okay. So I never grew up with that in my house like I probably not definitely not as strict as Patricia but that same kind of idea words like pop culture was just not really a part of our family dynamic. Yeah, it was something my sister and I discovered on our own. It was frivolous.
01:27:15
Speaker
Exactly. Yeah. It was frivolous. It was, you know, yeah. I mean, I mean, me, I was fortunate in that I had parents that love movies and they shared that with me. And my father was a big, well, both my parents were big readers, but my father was like into the stuff like, you know, James Bond. Right. And, uh, uh, Shel Scott and Matt Helm and stuff like that. And, you know, and he would read the books and then he would pass them on to me.
01:27:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I can definitely see myself doing that kind of stuff. Yeah. So, you know, so I was fortunate in that, you know, they did, uh, comic books, they couldn't see the point in comic books. They said, you know, what are you still reading that crap for? But everything else, they were pretty cool. Like I would be sitting there reading science fiction books or something like that. They was cool with that. You know, they loved to see me read books. Well, they were big readers themselves. So they never, my parents didn't necessarily approve of it, but they didn't disapprove of it either. I think yours were probably the same way where it's just like, you know, Oh, why are you reading that? Then just walk away.
01:28:12
Speaker
Yeah, right, exactly. Yeah, it was never like, oh no, I'm gonna take your comic books away or anything like that. Nothing like that at all.
01:28:22
Speaker
Well, they did. Okay, my father would take my comic books away because he was a big math guy. Oh, okay. You know, to hear and math was my worst subject. Math still it still I have no use for math. I'm sorry. As long as I can count my change after I come out of the store. Yeah, that's it. You know, but all that multiplication subtraction division cool anything past that geometry algebra and all that other crap. I didn't know.
01:28:47
Speaker
But my father was a big math guy. So like if I came home with a bad report card in math, you know, then he would take away my comment. I mean, that's understandable because when it's affecting your grades, that's a different story. Yeah, like that. I understand that part.
01:29:02
Speaker
Yeah. So it didn't matter. It didn't matter. My grades is good and everything. But dad, look, I got an A. Nope, nope, nope. He's a bring combo. And he would make me gather them up and bring them to him, too. Add insult to injury. He said, bring him here. I was like, oh, shit. OK, here you go. And don't let me try to hide a couple, which I did one time. And I never did that again.
01:29:25
Speaker
Uh-oh. Never did that again.
Cultural Influence of 'Karate Kid'
01:29:28
Speaker
But I do the pop culture education with Copenose. In fact, you know what? I was watching Cobra Kai the other night on Netflix, which is, I'm not sure if you've seen it, but it's really good.
01:29:40
Speaker
It's the Karate Kid revival. So you got William Zabka and Ralph Macchio as men in their 40s or whatever, 40s or 50s or whatever it is. Yeah, I've heard of it. It's really good. And it's really consumable too, because the episodes are only like 20 to 30 minutes a piece. Because it started out as a YouTube thing, right? Right, yeah, yeah.
01:30:00
Speaker
So now it's on Netflix. So we started watching the other night and Koto no comes in. She's like, what do you watch? I'm like Cobra Kai. She's like, what's that? I'm like, oh, it's the, it's the karate kid sequel. And which they called it best kid here in Japan. And she's like, it's like, Oh, really? I'm like, yeah. She's like, Oh, okay. And we're watching it. I'm like, Oh, you remember this part from them? And she's like, no, like, I'm like, you remember this part? She's like, no, I'm like,
01:30:21
Speaker
You don't remember Sweep the Leg Johnny? And she's like, what are you talking about? I'm like, Karate Kid. And she's like, oh, I never saw the movie. I'm like, how did you not see that movie?
01:30:34
Speaker
So now I gotta go get Karate Kid and show it to her. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Matter of fact, I see that Patricia on the DVR, she's got, she has the Karate Kid on there, which, you know, so I guess she's playing on us watching that before she, before, because she loves those movies. I never was much of a big Karate Kid.
01:30:56
Speaker
thing you know i saw them yeah they okay but they didn't well yeah they're not they're not like amazing movies or anything like that but it's just like for for people like me who grew up during that time like it's a cultural touchstone right exactly you know and i recognize that even though they didn't do much for me i mean because that movie combined that movie with you know then you got Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles then you got um Power Rangers like that
01:31:20
Speaker
That is basically what opened up a thousand martial arts schools in America for kids. Yeah, yeah. That was the thing. When I was in elementary school, everybody was taking some kind of martial arts class. It was karate or taekwondo or whatever. Everybody was taking some kind of martial arts back then.
01:31:40
Speaker
Oh, yeah. Well, listen, I remember back in the 70s when the kung fu craze, when they hit the country. That's when I started taking karate. I took karate for a few years, but everybody was taking karate. I mean, that was the thing. Everybody took it.
01:31:59
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Okay, so I think we kind of rambled on enough for the post-credit thing. I think we talk, we rambled more at the end of the episode than we did about the actual movie. Probably, probably. But anyway, that's okay. As long as they find it entertaining.
Engaging with Listeners and Podcast Support
01:32:16
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Yeah, yeah.
01:32:17
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So yeah, head on over to Superhero Cinephiles on Facebook, join the discussion. Again, if you want to contribute and make sure that we watch a movie that you've actually seen for our live commentary 50th episode, then you got to get your ass into that group and you got to make those suggestions because otherwise Derek's going to pick some shit like the cobbler that you've never heard of.
01:32:41
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Trust me, you do not want, I keep telling y'all, every episode where we record this, when we make this plea, you do not want to leave it up to me. I'm trying to tell you, you have been warned. Yeah. All right. And also, you know, rewatch Civil War for our next episode, and we'll be back next week to talk about that. And that about does it for now. Thanks so much, and we will see you next time.
01:33:08
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Okay, good night. God bless. Thank you for listening. Thanks for listening to the Superhero Cinephiles podcast. If you have any questions or comments about this or any other episode, or if you have a superhero movie or TV show you'd like us to cover in a future episode, you can email us at superheroescinephiles at gmail.com, or you can also visit us on the web at superheroescinephiles.com.
01:33:37
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